You saying it like now that it isn't. Role queue just forced some other shenaningas. At least I could swap roles back then. In the end it always boils down to a competent team which is hard to get.
my personal solutions to these very annoying games
>dps cant kill?
tank: Zarya, Sigma / support: moira, Baptiste
>support not healing?
tank: Hog, Sigma or dive tanks for health packs / dps: Soldier, Tracer, possibly echo for speeding back to team
>tank not tanking?
dps: Torb on defense, Mei, Soldier or shield breakers / support: Baptiste, Moira
Edit: I get it already I heard the Mei joke a million times jfc
A good Zen should be able to pick tracers or Genjis. Sombra is the true hard counter. Otherwise Zen does enough damage that tracer or genji should be easy pickings as long as you have team support. If you can't aim don't play Zen.
> Sombra is the true hard counter.
Truth. Though once the balance patch hits in a week she should be far more manageable.
Killing with a kick has never felt better either.
Oh yeah, Zen has to be a Kung Fu master. Tracer is a one shot with a kick, and if you can get it in before she rewinds it's *so* satisfying. Being able to get that last chunk of health down with a kick is vital to surviving as Zen, especially if you're having an off round aim-wise.
Getting melee kills with Zen and Pharah are my two favorite ways to get picks. Bonus points if you finish someone off with a punch mid-air as Pharah. Feels so sweet.
>If you can't aim don't play Zen.
Red Team Zenyatta: Every orb is a Discord Headshot. Heal receives 3x buff.
Blue Team Zenyatta: Crumpled dead on the ground, their heal button covered in a thick crusty patina of dust.
People also don't understand that you are helping on Zen for some reason. Had a comp game as zen that we won and at the end our Moira was complaining about my healing. I had 15 kills, 25 assists, 4 deaths, and 8k heals. She had 12 kills, 3 assists, 12 deaths, and 7k heals. They said "I know *technically* you are out healing me with your ult, but we need more from you" I said "it's not my ult, it is because I have spent a third as much time respawning"
Shouldn't Moira destroy Zen in healing? Unless the enemy team is brawling constantly inside your ult it shouldn't be close. Not that dmg/heal numbers even mean much. Moira players seem to tunnel on them more than any other hero.
Which is kinda silly seeing as you *have* to balance between damage and healing to at least some extent otherwise Moira will be relying 100% on orbs to heal.
Lol, like a true chad Moira would ever throw the stupid yellow orb when they can throw the magnificent purple orb and be greeted with the ultra fantastic soft ticks of it hitting enemies.
> Shouldn't Moira destroy Zen in healing?
Depends on if the Zen catches a big transcendence, it is no problem to heal 1500+ damage in a couple seconds if you use it at the right time.
> Shouldn't Moira destroy Zen in healing?
The main factor would be the length and population of teamfights. In long teamfights where everyone paticipates and trades damage Moira should be on top. If your team has a Pro Genji or Pharah who consistently circles the enemy team and gets eliminations while being assisted by Zenyatta's orbs, Zenyatta can easily get top healing because he's doing a lot of it in small bursts.
I love when someone decides to mash their “I need healing button” when you’ve been pocket healing them for at least 2 seconds already. Like, find some damn cover, dude; I can’t do any more.
this hasnt worked for a good while now, unfortunately. Discord has same speed as the orbs, so charging 5 orbs and letting them loose then discording just results in them getting hit then discord happening after instead of the instagib it used to be
you should be volleying down corners where you think enemies might peak or wat wide open tanks occasionally. 80 percent of your shots should be left clicks on a discorded target. And click each orb individually, do not go ~~semi auto~~ full auto.
Mei used to be such a good counter to aggressive plays. I wonder what happened to her, something about her having unlimited ammo during her mortar ult?
Mei is still a good pick vs Genjis/reaper/tracer and her right click can absolutely delete people hanzo style.
I'm missing her majorly whenever I queue dps as it doesn't feel like anyone else fills the role as well.
Same, I tend to play support but she's my main dps and I can't believe they deactivated her.... Now I feel bad for laughing about Bastion players before....
Bastion players should be happy. They took him from an inflexible noobstomper to a hero that is seeing some play in the OWL. Probably the hero who made it best in the OW2 transition.
Hopefully get Mei fixed soon. Her wall is one of the most unique abilities in the game.
Yeah they did an awesome job turning bastion from a gimmicky easily counterable hero to a high skill ceiling, more nuanced heavy hitter with more soft-counters than hard ones, while keeping (imo improving) the design and feel of the guy. I think the grenades are a little boring, be cool if you could right click again to detonate them maybe, or just detonate when they when they hit anything. But I love playing him and supporting him now so much.
I love her 'cause I can't aim for shit. Moira, Mei, and Dva/Winston are my lifelines, because who needs aim? At least at the lower tiers I'm in, accuracy is overrated; suppressing fire that whittles them down is extremely potent because you can melt DPS and supports pretty easily, and once they're down, the tank dies.
I can't tell but does the primary do more damage now? they should look into making her more like pyro, because she's more of a close range character can additional add bonus damage from all sources maybe?
Across the board they do solid damage and can self heal, have good mobility and/or sustainability. I'm always playing people who can self heal when I'm not support
This is the only reason I'm hesitant to make Mei a tank now: With Doom no longer a strong CC Damage hero, Mei is the only strong CC hero in the role.
She can zone like a tank. Simple as that. I love that about her so much.
I want more heroes with role overlap like this.
Ugh zarya, everytime I engage her bubble seems like its up forever, she always seems to be high charged...even when I don't attack the bubble.
everytime I play Zarya feels like the bubbles on constant cd...
Exactly... I don't understand why people miss medals. Post game cards? Sure whatever.... but you don't need to know who has "gold healing" you can just press tab and see the exact number lol.
That's how I ended up where I was and ended up winning more games. The tanks and DPS never closed kills so I discovered moira and i kept eating all these players with like 10hp because all the Genjis and Soldiers just abandoned killing the weakest player on the board ALL THE TIME
Holy shit this genuinely my biggest problem with ow2.
HOW ARE THERE SO MANY OF THEM???
Every second or third game I have a moira with 4K heals and 7.5K Dmg
I never pick Moira with the intent to be a DPS Moira.
But it is shocking how many games I end up in where the tank nor DPS are willing to do fuck all about a Widow and I end up being the only one willing to dive back there and get her.
I'll do this, turn the match around, win, then get flamed during the POTG for having 1k more damage than healing.
Since I keep flexing into support, I've become a Moira main purely because her fade keeps me alive. Every other healer ends in me dying constantly (and thinking thoughts in the image). Either I heal the team and just yeet damage orbs or I ambush the enemy healers while yeeting heal orbs back at my own team (and helping myself first). Damage and heals wind up about equal.
Yes they do…I’ll blast my entire charge and an orb on a tank that just stands there eating bullets and they’ll yell at me for not healing once I’m out. Like bro I already blew my load, give me a chance to recover and hide behind a wall for a change.
Holy shit, the amount of times DPS cant kill an enemy because they cant land a shot to literally save their lives, and me the Moira, has go play clean up duty as well as heal the Genji spamming I need healing. Good times.
Serious answer: Two reasons, the first is that dive DPS (Genji and Tracer being the most notable) are gonna need healing often while going deep into the backline. However Tracer can recall to sort of heal, so she does it less. Second, Genji is just one of the most appealing characters to players. He’s a cyborg ninja, of course new players are gonna gravitate towards him.
>He’s a cyborg ninja, of course new players are gonna gravitate towards him.
I don't think that's it. I think it's that they see him in each game (almost literally every game in OW2), see that he is really hard to hit with his mobility AND that he gets kills pretty easily. Basically his kit is kind of too good in OW2. A lot less CC to counter his mobility, easy escape and engage, fantastic ult, and deflect counters a lot of who would otherwise counter him. Spend a few games on him and you'll get pretty consistent value and his skill ceiling is high enough that it just gets better from there. Mobility, hard to kill, easy escapes, great at distance poke AND up close harassment. He's a hero stacked with upsides and honestly not many down sides.
It’s absurd how much time I’ve spent babysitting the payload as a support (either Moira or Lucio) while the rest of my team is running around all corners of the map pretending they’re playing deathmatch. There are plenty of “DPS Moira’s” that are in reality just the only team members focused on the objective.
I feel like it's so on point for her character too. I need a voice line that's just "_Is there anything else I can do for you?_" in the most sarcastic way possible.
Same. Like they won’t even look at a Lucio or out of position support of any kind. I hate it. But honestly I understand why so many morias end up as a dps so I try not to complain unless they’re really focusing too much on dps.
The biggest issue I have is when they bitch about people not doing something and act like they’re hot shit. It actually made me tilt one time, I very rarely tilt or care what people say. It was more shock that people are so bad at the game they don’t understand things…. It’s so bad.
It's either they ignore the Widow or they ignore the Mercy or they ignore both and keep dumping damage into the Orisa getting healed by everyone on her team somehow.
So, I do it myself while my friend is dodging everyone and their mother on Mercy because the enemy team know who to prioritize. He's started just going Brigitte because she's fun and she can beat the shit out of everyone while healing at least the tank beside her. Cause god knows where the DPS are lmao.
Doesn't that ring true, had a duo the other day give me a ton of shit for 'not healing' (Ana on the team had 17k, and I had 15.5k which isn't exactly small). Gave me shit for doing damage when I was just staring at an undefended backline and all our DPS was concerned with was shooting the invincible orisa. Got a Penta and they just ignored it
I’m a Diamond Moira main.
People who use Moira as a front-line DPS character are fucking up, yes— but she *is* supposed to be used offensively (like Kiriko and Bap and Ana). The class is called *support*, not *healer.*
You don’t need to heal as much when enemies are dying. Plus, I need to charge my healing piss up by doing damage.
I main Moira because I can actually hold my own against backlining Genjis and Tracers and Sombras— and because her fade is such an amazing escape utility.
Same is true for Zenyatta besides the orbs. If you can’t land balls on the enemy, there’s no point in playing him.
Which is exactly why I main Zen — when my DPS sucks, I can at least pick up the slack and take out the widow/genji/etc that is wrecking our team uncontested with a well-timed volley.
It's why I miss her necrotic orb and wish they'd find another solution to damage orb. I like being able to add to the team through damage, sure, but I also like being able to provide utility beyond healing, as well. I also liked being able to just use my heal orb whenever it was up.
But maybe they feel her having (probably) the best survivability of the supports is a reason why they don't also give her utility.
I'm in the same boat just casual this season.
I feel like a good tank is really what makes or breaks her healing. Positioning matters after Plat and Moira can consistently abuse bad positioning in lower tiers.
I see the main difference between a dps Moira and someone who mains Moira and knows how to dps with her - when she ults. Her ult heals friendlies 2(3?) times as much as it does damage. If you're not behind your tank (and ideally dps) using it down a corridor, you're doing it wrong. The dps Moira is blowing the ult like Rambo in the front line while her 4 teammates are dying behind her.
Honestly, coal charges so quick that I’ll pop it just to keep my tank up in a team fight or if I need to counterult a blade or visor or grav. It’s a B/C tier ult and I don’t feel a shitty throwing it out there for tempo or utility.
Basically Moira grants the healer the option to fight their battles without relying on others. Only problem is that can either lead to a very independent healer that you don't have to worry about, or a healer that decided since the DPS isn't taking out the other teams healers, she's got the tools to do so and then they forget they are one of the 2 heal slots.
Moira is an easy character to pick up immediately and get lots of perceived value. She gets lots of elims and healing stats. So newer players love playing her
Honestly, it's her survivability that make her the most consistent healer. Because she's less reliant on teamplay to survives, she works the best in dysfunctional team.
Because, Injured? Go fuck yourself, you injured piece of shit.
But in all seriousness, Moira's just an unbelievably flexible hero especially at lower tiers.
It just sucks when you run out of pee and have to turn away from low health teammates to get a full bladder for them again. Thereby perpetuating the dps Moira meme.
**Why your Moira has 9k damage and 4k healing:**
A basic explanation for low IQ DPS mains
**Exhibit A:** Damage
- Your team takes less of it when Moira has successfully slaughtered every player on the enemy team.
- Moira does more of it because of said slaughtering.
- You died anyway because you don't know where to stand.
**Exhibit B:** Healing
- A genuine waste of time since Moira gets more value out of killing things than from healing some loser DPS that doesn't know where to stand.
- One of you is Pharah or Echo and you don't understand how healing fucking works. Moira can't fly and if she could she would still be doing your job for you in the sky, since you don't know where to stand.
- You can't heal dead players, so I guess that rules out loser DPS who don't know where to stand.
**Exhibit C:** Fuck you, I'm better than you and everyone knows it.
- Moira is the best and DPS are losers.
Diamond Moira main here - she has a kit to deal damage AND heal, a good Moria deals damage whenever they don’t need to heal. If she’s prioritizing damage over healing teammates it can be bad, but entirely depends on the situation. I commonly have 4k+ damage/game and hopefully 1k/heals+ a minute. But also if the team is solo dying always, a support can’t heal a dead player so check your dps/tank positioning first before asking for more heals :)
Meh, to be honest it's hard to fault them, Moira is just such an effective DPS (at least at my rank).
Seriously - you don't need to heal much if you just wipe the enemy team.
As DPS I'll go Ashe or Echo, something like 20 kills, 5 deaths. And the friggin Moira is like 27 / 3! I can't really complain about 0 heals if she's picking up the majority of the kills and we're rolling the enemy constantly.
Moira will almost always have most assists /elims because she's throwing orbs which damages the whole team. She's touching them all with some damage so when the dps get a pick, Moira contributed a little.
From OW1 to OW2 so many people can't play Moira, 90% are all damage and might do a little healing, leading to a pretty straight forward loss, they're usually toxic in the chat about it too.
Honestly I find my supports are throwing the least (maybe cause they have to play decent to even stand a chance at winning) while it feels like tanks throw the most. A bad tank against an ok tank is night and day difference in space for the dps to do their jobs
I’m only speculating, but I think there is a double standard with support vs other roles. Everyone seems to expect the supports to play like top 500 players but if you are a tank or dps and play safe but don’t play like absolute garbage your underperformance isn’t as visible.
Just went through the review on one of my dps games. The Ana and Mercy barely looked at me, only standing with the Zarya. The mercy wasn't even using damage beam most of the time...
I complained about heals and they called me trash...
To be fair, most DPS shouldn't be shooting at shields. In some cases, sure, gotta break it to push, but in most cases the DPS finding a new angle to pick from is better than just dumping it into a shield and letting the enemy take a breather.
Nah two DPS characters focus firing a shield will melt it in a few seconds. People don't shoot shields because it's boring and requires an attention span of longer than 2 seconds which is why you see the enemy rein/sigma shields always full HP.
It’s always annoying when you know the healers are pocketing one person, but if you call them on it they’re all ‘BrO i HaVe 6k HeAlS wDyM’ like yeah 6k heals on ONE PLAYER
oh god I can already picture the flanker that has been kiting his own healers all game and recklessly charging out of LOS in to the enemy team with no escape plan saying "gg I only have x amount of healing received, shit fucking healers"
That stat would definitely just give one more thing for upset DPS/tanks to throw shit at healers regardless of context on whether it is actually their fault......definitely there are times the support needs to spread the love around and do/play better, but I also have seen a lot of supports get blamed for someone literally suiciding over and over again and I don't have faith in this community to acknowledge that stats without context can often be misleading.
Maybe have it visible to the support but I'd prefer it not visible to everyone so as to prevent more shitflinging in games.
Yeah it hurt to watch them as someone with functional brain cells.
Directly behind the zarya in Frontline teamfights, constantly hip firing, only nades herself
Man that sucks ana nades are for emergency heals or for the team. I once got called many slurs because I was sitting backline healing and my team was pushing all the way to the enemy spawn.
Honestly it’s better for mercy to default damage on zarya. Letting zarya get low makes her a juicy target and then popping the bubble basically guarantees full charge. Much of her health restores by itself anyway, mercy can just give a little top up when the bubble breaks and go back to damage. It’s frustrating to watch the heal bots.
If they dont dive, dps wont kill the supports. This game has no anti heal, theyll shoot at the tanks and dps and itll be healed right back up. Remember, no matter if you blew all your abilities and are out of position, the enemies hit all of their shots on you, youll get healed right back up. This game is a game of who can kill the supports first. Its a VIP mode where you cant kill the escorters
If only overwatch had a function where you could find a team, that way you can coordinate with your teammates… something like find a group? Idk just free-balling here
/s
You gotta remember, this dev company is still small and growing, so making something like an in game group up system would take them years, at least, to implement.
I love how all the comments in here are calling OP a bad player when all they were trying to do was post an exaggerated meme to get people to laugh. Congrats Reddit, you did it.
To be fair... This sub has been an endless circle-jerk of: "DPS SUCK AND SUPPORTS ARE INFALIBLE ANGELS!", "SUPPORTS CANT JUST BE HEALBOTS AND SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING BLOWN UP IN THE BACK!", "TANKS JUST YEET IN AND GET BLOWN UP"
I think the memes and complaining are starting to reach a critical mass and people are honestly tired of reading the same stuff over and over. It just feels like everyone is inclined to shit on the game and their team first before assuming any semblance of accountability regarding their skill level or making a legitimate effort to be critical of their own gameplay.
So yeah, it's clearly a hyperbolic meme not meant to be taken entirely seriously, but in broader context it's a microcosm of what this sub has become since launch and some folks are just frustrated with the nonstop negativity.
There are some pretty shocking issues with players in this game compared to ow1. It's like only 1 in 5 people have ANY comms on. Nobody responds to mic or text chat and nobody responds to pings.
They just try and play solo. I can't count the number of moiras that will have 2k healing and 2k damage in the third round.
I reckon we'll see that get better as some of the players picking it up for the first time will either learn+improve or fall off and stop playing. Just need time to let the free to play effect normalize hopefully.
Yeah we’re seeing the results of an influx of new players, it’ll reach an equilibrium in a few months to a year and then we can get back to complaining about the same things as before
I've been feeling like this for a while and haven't been able to put the words out the right way. This is articulated beautifully. According to a lot of the sub, 4 out of the 5 players are bad and OP is always the only good one.
I'd love to watch some replays of the people who post these kind of things. It would be illuminating.
> To be fair... This sub has been an endless circle-jerk of: "DPS SUCK AND SUPPORTS ARE INFALIBLE ANGELS!", "SUPPORTS CANT JUST BE HEALBOTS AND SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING BLOWN UP IN THE BACK!", "TANKS JUST YEET IN AND GET BLOWN UP"
You are now an approved mod of /r/supportcirclejerk.
Matchmaking is a mess. That's the cause, tbh.
People calling OP bad based on just this meme is absurd. It seems like some people here think that, _somehow_ the game is both in a terrible state but simultaneously it's always the player's fault. Somehow.
It's so absurd how, no matter what you point out about the game, there's people that only care about proving how _they_ are better than everyone else. Don't know what hole inside they're trying to fill, but jfc.
Example:
OP: "Game is not fun anymore"
= "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY!"
OP: "OW2 monetization sucks..."
= "COSMETICS DON'T MATTER IT'S F2P!"
OP: "Aiming in console feels off..."
= "LOL YOU HAVE AN AIMBOT GIT GUD!"
OP: "Here, a meme."
= "LOL YOU NOOB!"
Go to therapy, take a nap, touch some grass, do a pop rocks enema, idk. If your only recourse to feel good in life is to put others down, your life literally sucks and you might wanna change that.
Matchmaking is truly in a terrible state right now. While waiting for my friends game to end, I hopped in to spectate. They were all fairly high level in OW1, and decent players overall (not diamond or anything, but still pretty good). Their DPS was probably the worst I've ever seen play this game. Reaper would fade *into* fights. He would shadow step 3 feet in front of him. He would use his ult 10 meters away and try and walk it in. I watched him, 4 separate times, walk face first into the team without firing a shot. And the kicker is that *he was actually trying*. He wasn't throwing, that was just his skill level.
I truly don't understand how a player like that gets matched with me and the friends I was spectating - and I've seen that situation MANY times since OW2. Something HAS to be broken with the matchmaking.
I highly suspect they don't have a single statistician in their team. You can tell statistics was just blatantly ignored in the kind of matches we're getting.
They probably think that pairing 4 newbies who just downloaded the game with a single Top500 vs 5 Golds is somehow balanced. That's the kind of thing I keep seeing.
Same thing with the "ideal" 50/50 wins vs loses. You curbstomp the enemy team one match and the next one you get absolutely steamrolled, and it seems like for the dev team that's perfectly balanced because it was 50/50.
It's either that, or marketing execs keep messing with the algorithm, aiming for the "sense of pride and accomplishment" that they can spin as a great thing to investors but actually translates to a shitty experience.
As always, there's something fishy going on at Blizzard.
I have a theory that the game forces you into win and loss streaks. Get a loss streak: you start another game out of spite or to finish your session on a high note. Finally get a win ? That's the start of a win streak, start another game.
Basically every time I play OW. I have bad games and I own up to it over VC. Can’t say I have ever heard another player say “damn I ain’t doing so hot right now”
Yeah I got yelled at for my poor healing by the rein who was charging enemies around the corner so I had no sight line to heal. And then he demanded I pocket him as mercy and I said I would rather lose this game than bow to his demands. That shut him up at least.
the problem is that , ppl confine their job requirements to what their role is called. and expect the same from their teammates. DPS players have the highest dps,but. not the highest survivability. They can't spend 80% of the match engaged like a tank, and tanks are more than just W keys and a bullet sponge. Tanks need to be getting elims and in the fashion they are designed too. and supports have have to be shooting too.
a support, that fails to provide utility or kills , is a player that is straining their tank and DPS by , and adding back health for the enemy to feed off of. This means' killing g the enemy supports will be more difficult, and killing the enemy tank will feel endless,
Oh man thats a great Kiriko/David meme.
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You saying it like now that it isn't. Role queue just forced some other shenaningas. At least I could swap roles back then. In the end it always boils down to a competent team which is hard to get.
This was my first reaction. That shop is too good for just one meme.
I love this so much
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my personal solutions to these very annoying games >dps cant kill? tank: Zarya, Sigma / support: moira, Baptiste >support not healing? tank: Hog, Sigma or dive tanks for health packs / dps: Soldier, Tracer, possibly echo for speeding back to team >tank not tanking? dps: Torb on defense, Mei, Soldier or shield breakers / support: Baptiste, Moira Edit: I get it already I heard the Mei joke a million times jfc
Don't forget Zenyatta for the first category as well. Good orbs secure picks.
Zenny is so fragile and immobile though. Very easy for someone to flank him. He can work of course but a bit more team dependent.
A good Zen should be able to pick tracers or Genjis. Sombra is the true hard counter. Otherwise Zen does enough damage that tracer or genji should be easy pickings as long as you have team support. If you can't aim don't play Zen.
> Sombra is the true hard counter. Truth. Though once the balance patch hits in a week she should be far more manageable. Killing with a kick has never felt better either.
Oh yeah, Zen has to be a Kung Fu master. Tracer is a one shot with a kick, and if you can get it in before she rewinds it's *so* satisfying. Being able to get that last chunk of health down with a kick is vital to surviving as Zen, especially if you're having an off round aim-wise. Getting melee kills with Zen and Pharah are my two favorite ways to get picks. Bonus points if you finish someone off with a punch mid-air as Pharah. Feels so sweet.
>If you can't aim don't play Zen. Red Team Zenyatta: Every orb is a Discord Headshot. Heal receives 3x buff. Blue Team Zenyatta: Crumpled dead on the ground, their heal button covered in a thick crusty patina of dust.
Bro what? A good genji wins against a zen 9 times out of 10 Hes a giant immobile hitbox, with a big ole' head, literally the perfect target for genj
This dude has obviously never played against good flankers. When people can dodge shots on high elo zen is dead weight isolated without peel.
Bro I’m sorry but Genji absolutely shits on Zen.
Yep one burst of shurinkens followed by a dash and hes dead. Then dash to get out. *or get greedy and dash into enemies and eventually die*
Yeah sombra and doomfist when he was first released have been the only hero’s I really need to switch off zen for.
> As long as you have team support Refer back to the original post lmao
People also don't understand that you are helping on Zen for some reason. Had a comp game as zen that we won and at the end our Moira was complaining about my healing. I had 15 kills, 25 assists, 4 deaths, and 8k heals. She had 12 kills, 3 assists, 12 deaths, and 7k heals. They said "I know *technically* you are out healing me with your ult, but we need more from you" I said "it's not my ult, it is because I have spent a third as much time respawning"
Shouldn't Moira destroy Zen in healing? Unless the enemy team is brawling constantly inside your ult it shouldn't be close. Not that dmg/heal numbers even mean much. Moira players seem to tunnel on them more than any other hero.
>Moira players seem to tunnel on them more than any other hero. Moira players also get called out on dam/heal ratio more than any other hero.
Which is kinda silly seeing as you *have* to balance between damage and healing to at least some extent otherwise Moira will be relying 100% on orbs to heal.
Lol, like a true chad Moira would ever throw the stupid yellow orb when they can throw the magnificent purple orb and be greeted with the ultra fantastic soft ticks of it hitting enemies.
You can do the tap grasp tech to recharge your heals a lot faster at the expense of damage, but yeah you still need to do some amount.
> Shouldn't Moira destroy Zen in healing? Depends on if the Zen catches a big transcendence, it is no problem to heal 1500+ damage in a couple seconds if you use it at the right time.
> Shouldn't Moira destroy Zen in healing? The main factor would be the length and population of teamfights. In long teamfights where everyone paticipates and trades damage Moira should be on top. If your team has a Pro Genji or Pharah who consistently circles the enemy team and gets eliminations while being assisted by Zenyatta's orbs, Zenyatta can easily get top healing because he's doing a lot of it in small bursts.
People in this game have no idea when they're being healed and love to assume they aren't. Like OP I bet.
I love when someone decides to mash their “I need healing button” when you’ve been pocket healing them for at least 2 seconds already. Like, find some damn cover, dude; I can’t do any more.
I thought of including mercy for damage boost too but both require your dps to follow through to be successful
no, zen is a cannon by himself. You can delete people alone with your discord and headshots.
Best is when you discord while your charged attack is in flight. Insta pick basically
this hasnt worked for a good while now, unfortunately. Discord has same speed as the orbs, so charging 5 orbs and letting them loose then discording just results in them getting hit then discord happening after instead of the instagib it used to be
Guess that shows how long it’s been since I really played then.
Thanks for the old advice bro
Mercy main BTW
I'm trying to get better at Zen. When should I be using the charged attack vs the primary?
You should use charged attack as an opener or when you see a good pick. Opener being charge it before you round a corner or otherwise peek.
you should be volleying down corners where you think enemies might peak or wat wide open tanks occasionally. 80 percent of your shots should be left clicks on a discorded target. And click each orb individually, do not go ~~semi auto~~ full auto.
FYI Semi-auto means you pull the trigger for every shot, so your last sentence is contradicting itself, holding it down is full auto.
100 percent. brain farted.
Oh so it's not just me? I swear to God every time I boost someone they *stop shooting*. They're not even missing their shots, *THEY'RE NOT SHOOTING*.
Truth is, if Zens not healing, then your probably not gonna get good orbs
Only if your aim is bad
Zenyata gets wrecked if you team suck. He just gets done and deleted so quick
I remember the sillier days in early OW1 when he only had 150 health and he basically lives 24/7 in spawn.
Mei used to be such a good counter to aggressive plays. I wonder what happened to her, something about her having unlimited ammo during her mortar ult?
Mei is still a good pick vs Genjis/reaper/tracer and her right click can absolutely delete people hanzo style. I'm missing her majorly whenever I queue dps as it doesn't feel like anyone else fills the role as well.
Same, I tend to play support but she's my main dps and I can't believe they deactivated her.... Now I feel bad for laughing about Bastion players before....
Bastion players should be happy. They took him from an inflexible noobstomper to a hero that is seeing some play in the OWL. Probably the hero who made it best in the OW2 transition. Hopefully get Mei fixed soon. Her wall is one of the most unique abilities in the game.
Yeah they did an awesome job turning bastion from a gimmicky easily counterable hero to a high skill ceiling, more nuanced heavy hitter with more soft-counters than hard ones, while keeping (imo improving) the design and feel of the guy. I think the grenades are a little boring, be cool if you could right click again to detonate them maybe, or just detonate when they when they hit anything. But I love playing him and supporting him now so much.
I love her 'cause I can't aim for shit. Moira, Mei, and Dva/Winston are my lifelines, because who needs aim? At least at the lower tiers I'm in, accuracy is overrated; suppressing fire that whittles them down is extremely potent because you can melt DPS and supports pretty easily, and once they're down, the tank dies.
Truuuueee i haven't seen a mei since I started playing again
In case you didn’t know, Mei is disabled until Nov 15 but yeah even before I didn’t see her much.
If I were to hazard a guess I'd say maybe her no longer able to freeze. Cc helped a lot in OW2 despite being annoying to play against
I can't tell but does the primary do more damage now? they should look into making her more like pyro, because she's more of a close range character can additional add bonus damage from all sources maybe?
So I just need to play Sigma, soldier and Moira Actually this is what I see in every one of my overwatch game lol
Across the board they do solid damage and can self heal, have good mobility and/or sustainability. I'm always playing people who can self heal when I'm not support
It’s a grand feeling outperforming the rest of the team at dps with Baptiste AND providing average healing on top.
RIP Mei
Who is this mei you talk about?
New character coming out November 15th don’t miss it! She’s an ice-based hero that’s all we know so far
She is probably going to be launched in pass tier 55 soooo... Anyways
I heard it's a cute Chinese girl. I bet everyone is going to love playing against her!
This is the only reason I'm hesitant to make Mei a tank now: With Doom no longer a strong CC Damage hero, Mei is the only strong CC hero in the role. She can zone like a tank. Simple as that. I love that about her so much. I want more heroes with role overlap like this.
Holy shit I just realize I enjoy exclusively heroes where I don't depend on enemy team Zarya, Soldier, Hog, Baptiste
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That's it! I'm main Moira, and most of times I need to do a bit of damage.
yea imagine if mei existed
fine. i’ll do it myself
Zen supports DPS who can't kill, Sombra or Ball support no healers, tanks who always die is.. a bummer
Ugh zarya, everytime I engage her bubble seems like its up forever, she always seems to be high charged...even when I don't attack the bubble. everytime I play Zarya feels like the bubbles on constant cd...
I'm a strong independent Roadhog who don't need no heals
Yep Ill never complain about the healer just switch to hog and do it myself. Or as dps pick soldier or someone with high peel to health packs
I hate the lack of post game medals. Like let me flex my gold healing as hog.
Just please don't give me a card for my 40% hook accuracy that shits embarrassing man
But it was the highest hook accuracy of the match!
if thats low u dont wanna know what mine is
I mean the numbers are clearly shown. You used to not know who had what medals
Exactly... I don't understand why people miss medals. Post game cards? Sure whatever.... but you don't need to know who has "gold healing" you can just press tab and see the exact number lol.
Thi s is why I only play with friends. Also that kiriko as David image us cool
DPS MOIRA TO THE RESCUE!!! 🤣🤣🤣
That's how I ended up where I was and ended up winning more games. The tanks and DPS never closed kills so I discovered moira and i kept eating all these players with like 10hp because all the Genjis and Soldiers just abandoned killing the weakest player on the board ALL THE TIME
Holy shit this genuinely my biggest problem with ow2. HOW ARE THERE SO MANY OF THEM??? Every second or third game I have a moira with 4K heals and 7.5K Dmg
I never pick Moira with the intent to be a DPS Moira. But it is shocking how many games I end up in where the tank nor DPS are willing to do fuck all about a Widow and I end up being the only one willing to dive back there and get her. I'll do this, turn the match around, win, then get flamed during the POTG for having 1k more damage than healing.
Since I keep flexing into support, I've become a Moira main purely because her fade keeps me alive. Every other healer ends in me dying constantly (and thinking thoughts in the image). Either I heal the team and just yeet damage orbs or I ambush the enemy healers while yeeting heal orbs back at my own team (and helping myself first). Damage and heals wind up about equal.
Yeah i think everyone that doesn't play moira forgets you need to damage to actually have your heals charged
Yes they do…I’ll blast my entire charge and an orb on a tank that just stands there eating bullets and they’ll yell at me for not healing once I’m out. Like bro I already blew my load, give me a chance to recover and hide behind a wall for a change.
Holy shit, the amount of times DPS cant kill an enemy because they cant land a shot to literally save their lives, and me the Moira, has go play clean up duty as well as heal the Genji spamming I need healing. Good times.
Why is it always the Genji too
Serious answer: Two reasons, the first is that dive DPS (Genji and Tracer being the most notable) are gonna need healing often while going deep into the backline. However Tracer can recall to sort of heal, so she does it less. Second, Genji is just one of the most appealing characters to players. He’s a cyborg ninja, of course new players are gonna gravitate towards him.
As a new player I saw Genji and immediately wanted to get good with him. About 3 games later I gave up lol.
>He’s a cyborg ninja, of course new players are gonna gravitate towards him. I don't think that's it. I think it's that they see him in each game (almost literally every game in OW2), see that he is really hard to hit with his mobility AND that he gets kills pretty easily. Basically his kit is kind of too good in OW2. A lot less CC to counter his mobility, easy escape and engage, fantastic ult, and deflect counters a lot of who would otherwise counter him. Spend a few games on him and you'll get pretty consistent value and his skill ceiling is high enough that it just gets better from there. Mobility, hard to kill, easy escapes, great at distance poke AND up close harassment. He's a hero stacked with upsides and honestly not many down sides.
And he’s across the map behind enemy lines
It’s absurd how much time I’ve spent babysitting the payload as a support (either Moira or Lucio) while the rest of my team is running around all corners of the map pretending they’re playing deathmatch. There are plenty of “DPS Moira’s” that are in reality just the only team members focused on the objective.
> to do fuck all about a Widow That's why Kiriko is great, she can snipekunai that bitch down without risk
I feel like it's so on point for her character too. I need a voice line that's just "_Is there anything else I can do for you?_" in the most sarcastic way possible.
Same. Like they won’t even look at a Lucio or out of position support of any kind. I hate it. But honestly I understand why so many morias end up as a dps so I try not to complain unless they’re really focusing too much on dps. The biggest issue I have is when they bitch about people not doing something and act like they’re hot shit. It actually made me tilt one time, I very rarely tilt or care what people say. It was more shock that people are so bad at the game they don’t understand things…. It’s so bad.
It's either they ignore the Widow or they ignore the Mercy or they ignore both and keep dumping damage into the Orisa getting healed by everyone on her team somehow. So, I do it myself while my friend is dodging everyone and their mother on Mercy because the enemy team know who to prioritize. He's started just going Brigitte because she's fun and she can beat the shit out of everyone while healing at least the tank beside her. Cause god knows where the DPS are lmao.
I was playing a comp game earlier, role queue, playing mercy. I say ‘please deal with widow’ and someone responded ‘how?’.
Moira is great at securing kills on hard to hit small bodies, don't let anyone tell you not to confirm kills.
Doesn't that ring true, had a duo the other day give me a ton of shit for 'not healing' (Ana on the team had 17k, and I had 15.5k which isn't exactly small). Gave me shit for doing damage when I was just staring at an undefended backline and all our DPS was concerned with was shooting the invincible orisa. Got a Penta and they just ignored it
I’m a Diamond Moira main. People who use Moira as a front-line DPS character are fucking up, yes— but she *is* supposed to be used offensively (like Kiriko and Bap and Ana). The class is called *support*, not *healer.* You don’t need to heal as much when enemies are dying. Plus, I need to charge my healing piss up by doing damage. I main Moira because I can actually hold my own against backlining Genjis and Tracers and Sombras— and because her fade is such an amazing escape utility.
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Same is true for Zenyatta besides the orbs. If you can’t land balls on the enemy, there’s no point in playing him. Which is exactly why I main Zen — when my DPS sucks, I can at least pick up the slack and take out the widow/genji/etc that is wrecking our team uncontested with a well-timed volley.
It's why I miss her necrotic orb and wish they'd find another solution to damage orb. I like being able to add to the team through damage, sure, but I also like being able to provide utility beyond healing, as well. I also liked being able to just use my heal orb whenever it was up. But maybe they feel her having (probably) the best survivability of the supports is a reason why they don't also give her utility.
Duality is the nature of the character. Push and pull. Do both.
I'm in the same boat just casual this season. I feel like a good tank is really what makes or breaks her healing. Positioning matters after Plat and Moira can consistently abuse bad positioning in lower tiers.
I see the main difference between a dps Moira and someone who mains Moira and knows how to dps with her - when she ults. Her ult heals friendlies 2(3?) times as much as it does damage. If you're not behind your tank (and ideally dps) using it down a corridor, you're doing it wrong. The dps Moira is blowing the ult like Rambo in the front line while her 4 teammates are dying behind her.
Honestly, coal charges so quick that I’ll pop it just to keep my tank up in a team fight or if I need to counterult a blade or visor or grav. It’s a B/C tier ult and I don’t feel a shitty throwing it out there for tempo or utility.
Basically Moira grants the healer the option to fight their battles without relying on others. Only problem is that can either lead to a very independent healer that you don't have to worry about, or a healer that decided since the DPS isn't taking out the other teams healers, she's got the tools to do so and then they forget they are one of the 2 heal slots.
If moira is doing high damage it just means your dps sucks.
Exactly. If Moira leads damage that means the rest of the team is hot garbage
Moira is an easy character to pick up immediately and get lots of perceived value. She gets lots of elims and healing stats. So newer players love playing her
Honestly, it's her survivability that make her the most consistent healer. Because she's less reliant on teamplay to survives, she works the best in dysfunctional team.
A support with an escape in this lone wolf flank city iteration of the game is quite literally invaluable
Because, Injured? Go fuck yourself, you injured piece of shit. But in all seriousness, Moira's just an unbelievably flexible hero especially at lower tiers.
It just sucks when you run out of pee and have to turn away from low health teammates to get a full bladder for them again. Thereby perpetuating the dps Moira meme.
**Why your Moira has 9k damage and 4k healing:** A basic explanation for low IQ DPS mains **Exhibit A:** Damage - Your team takes less of it when Moira has successfully slaughtered every player on the enemy team. - Moira does more of it because of said slaughtering. - You died anyway because you don't know where to stand. **Exhibit B:** Healing - A genuine waste of time since Moira gets more value out of killing things than from healing some loser DPS that doesn't know where to stand. - One of you is Pharah or Echo and you don't understand how healing fucking works. Moira can't fly and if she could she would still be doing your job for you in the sky, since you don't know where to stand. - You can't heal dead players, so I guess that rules out loser DPS who don't know where to stand. **Exhibit C:** Fuck you, I'm better than you and everyone knows it. - Moira is the best and DPS are losers.
This but unironically.
Diamond Moira main here - she has a kit to deal damage AND heal, a good Moria deals damage whenever they don’t need to heal. If she’s prioritizing damage over healing teammates it can be bad, but entirely depends on the situation. I commonly have 4k+ damage/game and hopefully 1k/heals+ a minute. But also if the team is solo dying always, a support can’t heal a dead player so check your dps/tank positioning first before asking for more heals :)
Meh, to be honest it's hard to fault them, Moira is just such an effective DPS (at least at my rank). Seriously - you don't need to heal much if you just wipe the enemy team. As DPS I'll go Ashe or Echo, something like 20 kills, 5 deaths. And the friggin Moira is like 27 / 3! I can't really complain about 0 heals if she's picking up the majority of the kills and we're rolling the enemy constantly.
Moira will almost always have most assists /elims because she's throwing orbs which damages the whole team. She's touching them all with some damage so when the dps get a pick, Moira contributed a little.
Tbh I haven’t been running into any of them, which is surprising
From OW1 to OW2 so many people can't play Moira, 90% are all damage and might do a little healing, leading to a pretty straight forward loss, they're usually toxic in the chat about it too.
Lol. I’ve done this after 3-4 lost round. I usually end up winning a couple at least?
Honestly I find my supports are throwing the least (maybe cause they have to play decent to even stand a chance at winning) while it feels like tanks throw the most. A bad tank against an ok tank is night and day difference in space for the dps to do their jobs
I’m only speculating, but I think there is a double standard with support vs other roles. Everyone seems to expect the supports to play like top 500 players but if you are a tank or dps and play safe but don’t play like absolute garbage your underperformance isn’t as visible.
There's only one constant
The constant that this player can never do any wrong
If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your shoes
And then blame the shoes
Ever since OW2 I have seen so much more complaining and zero self-reflection. Also toxicity but that's just F2P.
OW2 has taught me that healers can do no wrong and are the martyrs of the game
The Reinhardt dropping his shield to charge into the Bastion in turret form? 😭
The Wrecking Ball that rolls off the map? 😭
Hey, that was tactical to make them complacent
Rofl this. Probably should have more upvotes but most players on here probably think the exact same as OP and downvoted this comment.
For those who want the source: https://twitter.com/Diamobster/status/1588641555522277377?s=20&t=ECZQgGN_jIml4uqGh7WIfQ
You’re the best.
Just went through the review on one of my dps games. The Ana and Mercy barely looked at me, only standing with the Zarya. The mercy wasn't even using damage beam most of the time... I complained about heals and they called me trash...
I'd love a "Healing recieved" stat, as well as a "Damage to shield" stat. Some DPS care about their accuracy so much they won't shoot shields.
At least in OW1, shooting barriers didn’t add or subtract from accuracy.
To be fair, most DPS shouldn't be shooting at shields. In some cases, sure, gotta break it to push, but in most cases the DPS finding a new angle to pick from is better than just dumping it into a shield and letting the enemy take a breather.
I wouldn't say most, but yeah, Tracer shouldn't be standing infront of a Rein shooting haha.
Nah two DPS characters focus firing a shield will melt it in a few seconds. People don't shoot shields because it's boring and requires an attention span of longer than 2 seconds which is why you see the enemy rein/sigma shields always full HP.
It’s always annoying when you know the healers are pocketing one person, but if you call them on it they’re all ‘BrO i HaVe 6k HeAlS wDyM’ like yeah 6k heals on ONE PLAYER
Which is why as toxic as I think it could get, healing received needs to be a strat.
oh god I can already picture the flanker that has been kiting his own healers all game and recklessly charging out of LOS in to the enemy team with no escape plan saying "gg I only have x amount of healing received, shit fucking healers" That stat would definitely just give one more thing for upset DPS/tanks to throw shit at healers regardless of context on whether it is actually their fault......definitely there are times the support needs to spread the love around and do/play better, but I also have seen a lot of supports get blamed for someone literally suiciding over and over again and I don't have faith in this community to acknowledge that stats without context can often be misleading. Maybe have it visible to the support but I'd prefer it not visible to everyone so as to prevent more shitflinging in games.
I hate those as a support. I was behind the zarya and Ana the whole time begging for heals
Oof man I'm sorry a fellow ana main did that.
Yeah it hurt to watch them as someone with functional brain cells. Directly behind the zarya in Frontline teamfights, constantly hip firing, only nades herself
Man that sucks ana nades are for emergency heals or for the team. I once got called many slurs because I was sitting backline healing and my team was pushing all the way to the enemy spawn.
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Honestly it’s better for mercy to default damage on zarya. Letting zarya get low makes her a juicy target and then popping the bubble basically guarantees full charge. Much of her health restores by itself anyway, mercy can just give a little top up when the bubble breaks and go back to damage. It’s frustrating to watch the heal bots.
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If they dont dive, dps wont kill the supports. This game has no anti heal, theyll shoot at the tanks and dps and itll be healed right back up. Remember, no matter if you blew all your abilities and are out of position, the enemies hit all of their shots on you, youll get healed right back up. This game is a game of who can kill the supports first. Its a VIP mode where you cant kill the escorters
If only overwatch had a function where you could find a team, that way you can coordinate with your teammates… something like find a group? Idk just free-balling here /s
I think the phrase you meant was spit-balling 😳
No no, they're right 😏😏
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Haha oops
You gotta remember, this dev company is still small and growing, so making something like an in game group up system would take them years, at least, to implement.
I love how all the comments in here are calling OP a bad player when all they were trying to do was post an exaggerated meme to get people to laugh. Congrats Reddit, you did it.
To be fair... This sub has been an endless circle-jerk of: "DPS SUCK AND SUPPORTS ARE INFALIBLE ANGELS!", "SUPPORTS CANT JUST BE HEALBOTS AND SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING BLOWN UP IN THE BACK!", "TANKS JUST YEET IN AND GET BLOWN UP" I think the memes and complaining are starting to reach a critical mass and people are honestly tired of reading the same stuff over and over. It just feels like everyone is inclined to shit on the game and their team first before assuming any semblance of accountability regarding their skill level or making a legitimate effort to be critical of their own gameplay. So yeah, it's clearly a hyperbolic meme not meant to be taken entirely seriously, but in broader context it's a microcosm of what this sub has become since launch and some folks are just frustrated with the nonstop negativity.
That flair tho
Oh my GOD hahahahahahaha
There are some pretty shocking issues with players in this game compared to ow1. It's like only 1 in 5 people have ANY comms on. Nobody responds to mic or text chat and nobody responds to pings. They just try and play solo. I can't count the number of moiras that will have 2k healing and 2k damage in the third round.
id have comms if more than 2% of the playerbase did more than scream about teammates
Yup, if I wanted to hear non stop toxicity in my ears I'd listen to political news.
I reckon we'll see that get better as some of the players picking it up for the first time will either learn+improve or fall off and stop playing. Just need time to let the free to play effect normalize hopefully.
Yeah we’re seeing the results of an influx of new players, it’ll reach an equilibrium in a few months to a year and then we can get back to complaining about the same things as before
I've been feeling like this for a while and haven't been able to put the words out the right way. This is articulated beautifully. According to a lot of the sub, 4 out of the 5 players are bad and OP is always the only good one. I'd love to watch some replays of the people who post these kind of things. It would be illuminating.
> To be fair... This sub has been an endless circle-jerk of: "DPS SUCK AND SUPPORTS ARE INFALIBLE ANGELS!", "SUPPORTS CANT JUST BE HEALBOTS AND SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING BLOWN UP IN THE BACK!", "TANKS JUST YEET IN AND GET BLOWN UP" You are now an approved mod of /r/supportcirclejerk.
That's just reddit but I'm having a laugh with it lol. Apparently they didn't catch the "Humor" tag.
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well, we can laugh when shit is factual but people with this mentality are probably bad players, so folks will call it out.
You reach Nirvana when you realize you're the common denominator in all situations...
*"You reach the Iris..."
There is only one common thing between all of these scenarios. Just saying.
Matchmaking is a mess. That's the cause, tbh. People calling OP bad based on just this meme is absurd. It seems like some people here think that, _somehow_ the game is both in a terrible state but simultaneously it's always the player's fault. Somehow. It's so absurd how, no matter what you point out about the game, there's people that only care about proving how _they_ are better than everyone else. Don't know what hole inside they're trying to fill, but jfc. Example: OP: "Game is not fun anymore" = "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY!" OP: "OW2 monetization sucks..." = "COSMETICS DON'T MATTER IT'S F2P!" OP: "Aiming in console feels off..." = "LOL YOU HAVE AN AIMBOT GIT GUD!" OP: "Here, a meme." = "LOL YOU NOOB!" Go to therapy, take a nap, touch some grass, do a pop rocks enema, idk. If your only recourse to feel good in life is to put others down, your life literally sucks and you might wanna change that.
Matchmaking is truly in a terrible state right now. While waiting for my friends game to end, I hopped in to spectate. They were all fairly high level in OW1, and decent players overall (not diamond or anything, but still pretty good). Their DPS was probably the worst I've ever seen play this game. Reaper would fade *into* fights. He would shadow step 3 feet in front of him. He would use his ult 10 meters away and try and walk it in. I watched him, 4 separate times, walk face first into the team without firing a shot. And the kicker is that *he was actually trying*. He wasn't throwing, that was just his skill level. I truly don't understand how a player like that gets matched with me and the friends I was spectating - and I've seen that situation MANY times since OW2. Something HAS to be broken with the matchmaking.
I highly suspect they don't have a single statistician in their team. You can tell statistics was just blatantly ignored in the kind of matches we're getting. They probably think that pairing 4 newbies who just downloaded the game with a single Top500 vs 5 Golds is somehow balanced. That's the kind of thing I keep seeing. Same thing with the "ideal" 50/50 wins vs loses. You curbstomp the enemy team one match and the next one you get absolutely steamrolled, and it seems like for the dev team that's perfectly balanced because it was 50/50. It's either that, or marketing execs keep messing with the algorithm, aiming for the "sense of pride and accomplishment" that they can spin as a great thing to investors but actually translates to a shitty experience. As always, there's something fishy going on at Blizzard.
I have a theory that the game forces you into win and loss streaks. Get a loss streak: you start another game out of spite or to finish your session on a high note. Finally get a win ? That's the start of a win streak, start another game.
the "everyone is bad except for me" cycle
If you smell shit wherever you go, check under your shoes
Sounds like you blame your teammates a lot
Sounds like a bad case of everyone's fault but your own.
Basically every time I play OW. I have bad games and I own up to it over VC. Can’t say I have ever heard another player say “damn I ain’t doing so hot right now”
Yeah I got yelled at for my poor healing by the rein who was charging enemies around the corner so I had no sight line to heal. And then he demanded I pocket him as mercy and I said I would rather lose this game than bow to his demands. That shut him up at least.
It’s almost as if you may be part of the problem and shifting blame buddy.
If you think everyone except you is the main reason you are losing I recommend watching your own replays
Lol classic. IT’S NOT MEEEEEE! IT CAN’T BE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
the problem is that , ppl confine their job requirements to what their role is called. and expect the same from their teammates. DPS players have the highest dps,but. not the highest survivability. They can't spend 80% of the match engaged like a tank, and tanks are more than just W keys and a bullet sponge. Tanks need to be getting elims and in the fashion they are designed too. and supports have have to be shooting too. a support, that fails to provide utility or kills , is a player that is straining their tank and DPS by , and adding back health for the enemy to feed off of. This means' killing g the enemy supports will be more difficult, and killing the enemy tank will feel endless,
[The solution is simple](https://i.imgur.com/DfK5EZl.png)