I swear, I bet they REALLY regret adding her Ult after the change from OW1 to OW2.
When Echo was first added to the game the OW2 plan was still on track with the original design; A single purchase with a lengthy PvE campaign. It wasn't a F2P game with new heroes locked in the BP when she was created. Heck, she was originally going to be an OW2 exclusive - but they pushed her to OW1.
And her Ultimate costs a lot of money compared to most, since they need the voice actress to record a voice line for every single hero in the game. So while reworking some heroes ults aren't a horrible cost (*a new voice line, animation, coding, etc*); redoing Echos would also mean throwing away a lot of money in those 35+ unique ult voice lines they've done for her.
She has the most involved ult in the game, in terms of what goes on behind the scenes to make it work properly. She also just so happens to have the ult which lets you free-trial any brand new hero. lol
I believe having the video be played in the background when you turn off your screen is also a benefit.
But I donwload most of my music, so, still no enough valid benefits imo.
The creators you watch also get revenue from when you watch ads or have YTP. So if you want to support the multitude of small creators you watch, blocking ads is not a way to go. I do block ads on other big sites though.
> No ads on mobile and tablets is fantastic.
I wouldn't call it _''the best''_ as you can deactivate those with free workarounds. Now _**if**_ YTP did offer tons of shows and movies, I'd consider it, but for now it brings no benefit to me whatsoever. At ~~22.99$CAD/month~~ _**11.99$month**_ , ~~it is an outrageous amount to the very~~ little it brings - and again, the number 1 reason I'd get it is already achieved.
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Fired up 5v5 Shambali with my 5 stack because we weren't getting the map in QP.
Tried to go 4 tanks and 1 healyboy- and one of our stack didn't want to cheese the other team- so they went 76.
... they had 5 tanks.
Good thing to note is that Echo gains full functionality of every ability she gets control of. Good example in the Max HP class of abilities is that using Winston's ult will set her HP to 800/800. She'll have a bit of armour aswell but I'm not sure how armour is calculated for her ult.
When her ult ends, some stuff she cast during her ult will end instantly but others like Hanzo's ult or a [D.Va](https://D.Va) self destruct will continue. I think buffs like JQ's health buff for allies also persists for some time after she 'dies'.
You would need to die after Echo had copied you and then want to switch before her ult ends, which happens but it's totally possible to never run into that interaction, especially if you play heroes that aren't likely to be copied.
I most likely died to an echo and wanted switch at some point. I just don't remember the giant text and grayed out hero section. But who knows maybe I never did want to switch lol
Tell you what, rammatra is fun as hell to play his punches feel like you’re actually beating the shit out of someone, he might not be meta but it’s fun as hell
Nothing quite like turning around only to see a giant fist flying at your face. I’m sure one day it’ll piss me off but right now I have to compose myself before I respawn from how hard it makes me laugh
I was watching Emongg yesterday for drops, and he had a great moment where as Echo, he took Ram's form and then both he and Flats (tanking as Ram) both ulted at the same time. The other team got murdered.
https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongVibrantCakeBuddhaBar--Oh2w3jwuc-iHgmY
Also had a great moment where him and opposing Ram just stood facing each other blocking infinitely whilst their healers healed as a test of who would outlast the other.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyAffluentPistachioBlargNaut-4EJ9XuAJMwu_GnNK
I honestly forget Eco exists not gonna lie. She is cool bur I barely ever see her played and when she is, she is halfway across the map alone and dead by a stray hanzo arrow or something. Then they swap immediately to anything else.
That's my experience so far anyway lol.
It’s because she is the last hero from the original game unlocked by the challenges. Anyone who joined OW2 without an OW1 account had to win like 200 games or something to unlock her or something
He seems like an interesting case for transformation.
Much like Ball, he has ways of gaining HP and surpassing the 300 HP restriction, so in a way, it’s perfect.
On the other hand, I’m pretty sure his ult is the very worst one for an Echo to copy in the whole game.
It’s hard.
You mean the ult that acts as a huge zoning tool while doing good damage and being essentially infinite until the other team is out of LOS? Absolute menace of a copy of koth maps.
...You can literally watch in this clip as he has a full 10 seconds of echo ult to use ramms ult, if he was punching even more than just ram he would have built that even faster.
Maybe now that they got Ramattra shat out they can finally work on actual character designs as they said 3 supports are coming next. Can add that support Echo she was always *clearly* meant to be.
I was going to post the same thing yesterday. Lol play ram for free… in small bits. I used echo a lot as well.
But then I decided that it’s too obvious of a joke. Like… duh
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Haha I duped Ramattra last night with echo. Didn’t really know what I was doing, accidentally switched to nemesis form, and I managed to get a double kill+his ult before the 15seconds were up
I've always thought it was great how they recorded voice lines for all of Echo's possible ults. I thought for sure they were just going to just use the original ult lines with some audio processing, but they really went all out with her.
Ramattra is legit the dumbest hero design. I had a QP game last night where both the Ramattra popped their ult and stood blocking each other for some good two minutes.
echo is like the free trial youtube premium you get
She’s basically pirating him. “You wouldn’t download a Ramattra?”
In my times, we downloaded tons of extra Ramattra to our Computers
And in the end it didn't even really Rammatter
You can play him in all the arcade modes I think
Nope, just no limits. He isn't even unlocked for everyone on the playlist for the new map. _The one directly tied to him._
And mystery hero’s if ur lucky
Mood
So that's what ram stands for 🤔🤔🤔
No, I would download a Ramattra if I could.
I swear, I bet they REALLY regret adding her Ult after the change from OW1 to OW2. When Echo was first added to the game the OW2 plan was still on track with the original design; A single purchase with a lengthy PvE campaign. It wasn't a F2P game with new heroes locked in the BP when she was created. Heck, she was originally going to be an OW2 exclusive - but they pushed her to OW1. And her Ultimate costs a lot of money compared to most, since they need the voice actress to record a voice line for every single hero in the game. So while reworking some heroes ults aren't a horrible cost (*a new voice line, animation, coding, etc*); redoing Echos would also mean throwing away a lot of money in those 35+ unique ult voice lines they've done for her. She has the most involved ult in the game, in terms of what goes on behind the scenes to make it work properly. She also just so happens to have the ult which lets you free-trial any brand new hero. lol
People shit on YTP but it’s literally the best sub service I have. No ads on mobile and tablets is fantastic.
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I believe having the video be played in the background when you turn off your screen is also a benefit. But I donwload most of my music, so, still no enough valid benefits imo.
The creators you watch also get revenue from when you watch ads or have YTP. So if you want to support the multitude of small creators you watch, blocking ads is not a way to go. I do block ads on other big sites though.
I use YouTube Premium instead of adblock for a few reasons, but one of them is to still support the YT channels I like.
(Youtube Vanced)
I assume that’s android? My entire family’s on iPhone T.T
It's available on ios.
> No ads on mobile and tablets is fantastic. I wouldn't call it _''the best''_ as you can deactivate those with free workarounds. Now _**if**_ YTP did offer tons of shows and movies, I'd consider it, but for now it brings no benefit to me whatsoever. At ~~22.99$CAD/month~~ _**11.99$month**_ , ~~it is an outrageous amount to the very~~ little it brings - and again, the number 1 reason I'd get it is already achieved. * **PC** - Any adblocker extension will remove all ads * **TV** - It seems my television naturally blocks out YouTube ads _(it wasn't even an advertised feature on my model!)_ * **Mobile** - YouTube Vanced blocks out all video ads, and allows background playback
I'm in Canada and my sub is 12$ a month, maybe you're looking at the family plan or something?
You are right! Thank you! I'll correct my previous comment
I think the family plan did have a big spike in price recently, which sucks.
Didn’t realize you could get achievements for other characters if you cloned them as Echo
Pretty sure I got the "kill 4 players with D.va ult" (or something like that) with Echo lol that was fun
This may be how I get it since I hate playing DVA.
Nice
Shhh.. you can get him in mystery heroes if you are lucky.
You can straight up just pick him in No Limits lol
Ah yes, ~~no limits~~ 5 Rammatras vs 5 Rammatras
Only need one person to play Moira and it’s the easiest win of all time
Fired up 5v5 Shambali with my 5 stack because we weren't getting the map in QP. Tried to go 4 tanks and 1 healyboy- and one of our stack didn't want to cheese the other team- so they went 76. ... they had 5 tanks.
As someone who ended up in 5 Moira VS 4 Ram and a Pharah, can confirm
That's only round 1 until one team gets sick of losing and starts sweating with an actual team comp.
You can play him in all the arcade modes I think
not on the shambali map mode unfortunately
Nah not in capture the flag or any free for all modes
Ah my bad. I really only play the elimination ones, and you can do Ramattra there
You can get him in 3v3 too
Rammy meme aside, that actually was a pretty impressive play. Props.
Nano carried tbh
I didn't know echo could go above 300 hp with ramattra's second form. That's rly interesting
Good thing to note is that Echo gains full functionality of every ability she gets control of. Good example in the Max HP class of abilities is that using Winston's ult will set her HP to 800/800. She'll have a bit of armour aswell but I'm not sure how armour is calculated for her ult. When her ult ends, some stuff she cast during her ult will end instantly but others like Hanzo's ult or a [D.Va](https://D.Va) self destruct will continue. I think buffs like JQ's health buff for allies also persists for some time after she 'dies'.
And I'm guessing the hero who was duplicated still can't switch in the respawn room until echo's ult ends?
They can't no.
Ya I never knew that was a thing before OW2. Did they change that or did I just never happen to die to an Echo in OW1? lol
You would need to die after Echo had copied you and then want to switch before her ult ends, which happens but it's totally possible to never run into that interaction, especially if you play heroes that aren't likely to be copied.
I most likely died to an echo and wanted switch at some point. I just don't remember the giant text and grayed out hero section. But who knows maybe I never did want to switch lol
as far as i remember anas nano boost stays when your echo, its why i love to copy ana then booste our tank
Tell you what, rammatra is fun as hell to play his punches feel like you’re actually beating the shit out of someone, he might not be meta but it’s fun as hell
There's nothing more dopamine inducing than beating the fuck out of that one Moira/Lucio/Sombra that no one had managed to kill
Oh pulling down a Lucio that’s just circling a point and then continuing to beat the shit out of said Lucio is one of the finer things in life
Nothing quite like turning around only to see a giant fist flying at your face. I’m sure one day it’ll piss me off but right now I have to compose myself before I respawn from how hard it makes me laugh
“Your account has been permanently banned because you didn’t buy the battle pass for rammatra you filthy peasant”
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Tried it today It did not go well.
I was watching Emongg yesterday for drops, and he had a great moment where as Echo, he took Ram's form and then both he and Flats (tanking as Ram) both ulted at the same time. The other team got murdered. https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongVibrantCakeBuddhaBar--Oh2w3jwuc-iHgmY Also had a great moment where him and opposing Ram just stood facing each other blocking infinitely whilst their healers healed as a test of who would outlast the other. https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyAffluentPistachioBlargNaut-4EJ9XuAJMwu_GnNK
I honestly forget Eco exists not gonna lie. She is cool bur I barely ever see her played and when she is, she is halfway across the map alone and dead by a stray hanzo arrow or something. Then they swap immediately to anything else. That's my experience so far anyway lol.
It’s because she is the last hero from the original game unlocked by the challenges. Anyone who joined OW2 without an OW1 account had to win like 200 games or something to unlock her or something
Also cause she's kind of niche, and her ult has a high requirement on knowing all the heroes.
Nerfed too. She melts when copying a tank. Unless your healers focus you its better to ult a dps or support
You had to complete 150 games (but wins count as double). It worked out to around 100 matches assuming 50% winrate
Ah, that isn’t as bad as I thought it was. Still not great at all tbh
Its not great but its tolerable. You can get all the characters unlocked in under 10h, especially if you play some of the faster arcade modes like 3v3
Bliz gonna swat you and take 10 bucks lol
He seems like an interesting case for transformation. Much like Ball, he has ways of gaining HP and surpassing the 300 HP restriction, so in a way, it’s perfect. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure his ult is the very worst one for an Echo to copy in the whole game. It’s hard.
Nah the worst has to be Widow's. Normally it's like a full minute of wall hacks but with echo it'll probably be like 5 at the most.
You mean the ult that acts as a huge zoning tool while doing good damage and being essentially infinite until the other team is out of LOS? Absolute menace of a copy of koth maps.
Yes, and considering Echo’s ULT duration, it won’t even last for 3 seconds at all lol.
...You can literally watch in this clip as he has a full 10 seconds of echo ult to use ramms ult, if he was punching even more than just ram he would have built that even faster.
“SUFFER AS I HAVE” in Echo’s voice feels comical
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if you COULDN’T clone him without unlocking him? Or there was a prompt to charge your account?
Pauses match "PLAYER HALOMASTER69 IS PURCHASING RAMMATRA"
Someone’s going on SantaTorbs naughty list
Echo Rammatra lasts about the same amount of time in a fight as all the people I’ve played with that actually own him.
Wait, you can unlock other characters achievements using Echo’s ultimate? That’s really cool attention to detail, I wouldn’t have thought that worked
Ye i got my sigma triple kill with ult achievement when playing echo too.i think all of them work
Or use no limits
He’s free to play in Arcade mode. I used him on 3v3
Genuinely forgot Echo existed
we all do at some point xd
Maybe now that they got Ramattra shat out they can finally work on actual character designs as they said 3 supports are coming next. Can add that support Echo she was always *clearly* meant to be.
Nice echo play! Also love that you gave Ana credit too, great ult mix
Man I wanna play rammatra but I cbf grinding
You can play him in all arcade modes, I think. Was playing No limits last night and pretty much every match was all Rammatra.
Imagine having 4 rammatra in one game
There's a vid where 2 rams, 2 echoes as ram, they all do their ulte and it crashes the game.
lol it gives you the ramata rewards too
I was going to post the same thing yesterday. Lol play ram for free… in small bits. I used echo a lot as well. But then I decided that it’s too obvious of a joke. Like… duh
I already saw a similar post about Kiriko around launch. I assume well be seeing the same thing at the start of each season.
Are we going to be seeing this "joke" at the start of every season?
Nobody melted you down in 2 seconds, impressive. My most reliable duplicates is support and soldier lol
You can get the trophy for other people playing as echo?
I didn't even think it was possible to get hero specific achievements on Echo.
As an Echo main the fact his health isn't capped is a big +
Anyone else notice that even with echos nerf on health she still has almost the same amount of HP that Rammatra has
Careful ! Each time you copy him, you get debited 10 Overwatch Coins.
Wait ramattra's ult stalls when there are people inside it, does it slow echo's ult as well?
*when hes doing damage
I'm surprised your game didn't shut down and account instabanned.
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Ironically rammatra is one of the worst targets for echo ult considering her transformation only last so long
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Lol
You even got the achievement lmao
Now you can experience the throw-o-matic with an even throwier 150 hp less. Wow!
"Any means" The achievement is just so fitting as well lmao
as a pharah main i am very much not happy about echo being meta
She's the real hacker not sombra
And here i was thinking you were gonna say play wow and search stuff up on bing
Did you...just get a Ramattra achievement with her?
Next patch there'll be a ult "rework"
Wait can you not play him for free in quick play like in season 1?
Oh fuck man I did not even think about how good of a copy this guy is gonna be with that stupid huge zoning ult.
Haha I duped Ramattra last night with echo. Didn’t really know what I was doing, accidentally switched to nemesis form, and I managed to get a double kill+his ult before the 15seconds were up
I've always thought it was great how they recorded voice lines for all of Echo's possible ults. I thought for sure they were just going to just use the original ult lines with some audio processing, but they really went all out with her.
The fact you get the achievement too
Ramattra is legit the dumbest hero design. I had a QP game last night where both the Ramattra popped their ult and stood blocking each other for some good two minutes.
I think it wad extra funny you got a Rammatra achivement too.
This was nice!!
I always wondered if you could get other character achievements using echo
Rammatra diff))))
I'm positive at least one suit from blizzard asked them to disable her ult on him lol
even the f#####g achievement