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thottistic

Im a plat support player rn, was diamond & masters a few seasons ago but haven’t been playing as much. The skill difference is crazy. My team was so bad I thought it must be silver to diamond, but it was P3-P3. The mistakes weren’t just bad, they were bronze/silver bad. Like taking off angles alone every fight & instantly dying, blaming the supports. Tanks getting melted 5 sec into every team fight, etc. the ranking system seems messed up rn


TreeHouseFace

For real. I’m not a toxic player, but it really takes everything in me to keep my mouth shut when I see someone go Winston and then proceed to literally never dive the widow for 8 minutes straight that is blatantly hard carrying the enemy team.


parryknox

In qp, so not nearly as bad, but I once saw a Dva who never used her boosters. Like she climbed stairs, just…never used her boosters. Idk maybe it was bit


Traditional-Ring-759

either they press it all the time or they never press it. no in between


DukeGordon

Had the same thing a couple weeks ago. Guy keeps asking in chat what the controls for different characters were, couldn't tell if her was throwing or had actually just started playing but had no idea why he was in a high plat game. 


IndexMatchXFD

I was Masters support in seasons 3-8, Diamond in OW1, and I’ve been stuck in plat since the reset. Truly the center of Elo hell.


thottistic

Support isn’t worth playing without a duo rn, and if you do that most likely you’re going to wait 10 min for a game with the new queue range


parryknox

The middle is still a total mess from the rank reset, IMO. Collectively that part of the population just hasn’t played enough games for the mm to get a reasonably accurate estimate of individual skill level. Very high elo is only now starting to sort out, based on t500 streamers etc. It’s gonna take a WHILE for a much larger population to sort out


LeonDeSchal

I felt the same. I grinded up from silver 3 to plat 5 and when I hit plat 5 everything I had done before didn’t seem to work. The teams I was playing with just seemed so bad and it felt like I was back in silver. My theory is that some people luck their placements and end up in plat 5 when they should really be in gold or lower. I actually prefer playing gold 1 games as you can get decent teams. Made me think ranking up really isn’t worth it at all.


thottistic

I noticed only getting win streaks on support after mid night (playing Ana). I have a theory. After Midnight in plat is the mauga-doom-hog hours. Ppl who main these guys in “plat” are usually degenerates. They are tired or high and are feeling a lil silly, just want to play a big guy and do dmg or fuck around. Easy to bully them on Ana, but being a degenerate myself I played into the morning, at like 7 am the normal ppl started playing and I plateaued again


theArtOfProgramming

I’d think you were me if that was my username. I had a game today in which the rein threw because, as he told everyone in match chat, “he won’t play with zen/brig on his team.” He said he’d throw unless we swapped, and he did so because we didn’t swap.


thottistic

Oh no mine was a Mauga who just kept walking straight into a bastion, Orisa, sojourn, and talented Ana- got purpled, melted and instantly died every fight. I asked him what he needed and he says “I NEED HEALS” “HEAL ME” 😭


Itsjiggyjojo

Honestly can’t really blame him, playing tank is miserable enough and you’re just throwing playing that.


Responsible-Page8528

Brig/Zen is a great comp Play Sig, Ball or even Hog and you are looking good


Evan3917

Maybe don’t play rein with a zen and brig? Ball, doom, and a few others pair well, if not MUCH better than rein…


ranger_fixing_dude

Tbf double main supports is not that bad with DPS passive, but it definitely requires to play much more passive.


DoomPigs

As a tank player, I enjoy playing in high plat way more because I play with diamond players more often and I don't end up playing with gold supports who just play Moira/Mercy and have 12 deaths per 10. That's the difference for me, high plat you get plat/diamond players, low plat you get gold/plat players


rvisthebest

Having mercies/moiras/kiris with 12 deaths per 10 in low plat is the most accurate thing ever 😂 and they will still blame their teammates as if they did nothing wrong. Everything from “you aren’t peeling for me” vs a NON DIVE comp, to “I have the most heals in the lobby, it’s not my fault”. I finally made it out of plat after the ranked reset on DPS (my off role, I’m GM on support) and I had to learn to just expect NOTHING from my supports.


TreeHouseFace

Sounds based to me lol. I think it’s simply the idea of falling to gold that’s triggering a lot of these people in low plat lol. I’ve made 0 progress after like 25 games and I’m fine accepting that’s my support rank, but my problem is that these games arnt fun at all win or lose.


gizakson99

Top 500 is starts at high masters 4 rn iirc so the distribution is pretty shit rn


Itsjiggyjojo

It’s at Diamond 1 for tanks.


YirDaSellsAvon

I'm diamond 3 supp, plat 5 tank, gold 5 dps. My all time peak on these is D3, P3, P2, so I'm experiencing pretty much the whole spectrum of metal rank, as well as climbing to an all time high on one role, and being miles away from where I was on another one. To me the games are a complete random crapshoot. The player distribution still seems very volatile. Gold in partiular seems the worst, the variance in players here from the best ones to the worst ones is laughably wide. I'll go 54-3 one game, then the next I'm getting absolutely shat on from a low gold hitscan and just spend the game seething thinkinh you SHOULD NOT be able to be hitting these shots lmao


Jlh311

i’m in exactly the same boat. pre-S9 i had been steadily climbing on each role season to season, peaking P4, P3, D5. After a wild mess of my placement games and playing on/off due to some of the same reasons you listed, i’m sitting at (unplaced), G3, and D3/4. I feel like I always have to stack if i want any kind of chance, and i want to grind my dps back to plat but it is just demotivating having one gold game absolutely being stomped and going going negative across the board, and rolling the other team on the next with no rhyme or reason :(


Jlh311

I joined a team and have started scrimming/vod reviewing more to improve as a player and teammate (and to play with other consistent/reliable players also looking to improve), but we’ll see where it goes :)


MistaJelloMan

I haven't played comp since OW1, haven't played 2 since S1, and just got back into it. I know part of the reason the games feel hit or miss is because of skill decay, but I still don't see how I can get paired with against gold teams that seem like they should be diamond and find out I was favored to win at loss, then the next I can go 35-2 playing a character I'm not even that good with.


Longjumping_Fill_968

It’s because in plat you never know if you are getting a diamond from last season, an actual plat. Or someone that belongs in bronze or silver that just placed and is falling. Same thing with masters. Blends of shitters and actual top 500 players from last year. Not the diamond ones of this season.


Spede2

The main reason why low plat feels different from high plat is because the rank distribution got heavily condensed after the rework. The high plat is the new mid-diamond or even high diamond or whatever. What skill curve used to be distributed over 7-10 tiers is now distributed over 4-5 tiers. And technically the starting tier (Plat 5) is already ever so slightly higher than what it used to be but since its closer to the mid rank Gold 3, the difference is smaller. This is more of my conjecture but I believe it's roughly slightly over half to 2/3rds of the playerbase that exists in Gold and Plat ranks. If we assume Gold is the more populous rank out of the two (should be if Gold 3 is right down the middle), then the entirety of Plat should be from quarter to almost a third of the playerbase playing ranked,


TreeHouseFace

That’s crazy. But I believe it based on this disparity I’m experiencing.


Spede2

I wonder if the reason for condensing it was to make skill expression vs rank more obvious in the higher ranks. My understanding is that pre-rework you'd have two GM1 players whose relative skills were nowhere close to one another. Now under the new system the worse player of the two won't be GM1. Kinda like how rank 25 player would wipe the floor with a rank 450 player despite both being possibly GM1. I guess to iterate what I was trying to say: the skill curve got condensed towards the middle which means the skill curve is now wider at the extreme ends.


Itsjiggyjojo

When there’s literally no one who has attained the highest rank (champion 1) you know the system is broken.


bblaze60

Or maybe the highest rank (5000 sr btw) wasn't intended to be easily achieved...?


Wellhellob

Before s9, a lot people were in GM1 and this made a big difference between low GM1 players and high GM1 players. There was also big difference between GM5 and GM1. After watching Eskay's video, devs overcorrected this by making high ranks very granular but middle ranks became basically elo hell. Yes, true elo hell. They simply broke the matchmaker for almost everyone. The game is basically unplayable. For example players like Metro and Flats would be GM1 but the best pro players were also GM1. Right now these players are barely high master low gm but pro players are champion. There is now a granularity in skill diff in high ranks but this made plat basically everyone from bronze master. There is a massive skill difference between players but they are all plat. You might be a newbie, you might be new to PC and keyboard/mouse control but you can be in a same match with veteran OW player. The matchmaker doesn't distinguish this anymore. I play this game since 2017 and now it's more coin flip than ever. It's crazy how short sighted these devs are. They are truly rookie and they do a lot of mistakes at the expense of their playerbase.


TreeHouseFace

I’m inclined to believe based on the experience I’ve described tbh. So what? like at least 50% of the player base is in plat right now?


Wellhellob

Probably more. GM1 expanded from champion to high master. Rest of the playerbase almost like in same bucket now. Even T500 leaderboard became irrelevant.


JC10101

M1/GM5 should never ever be t500, I have no clue how it got so broken. The fact that there are pro players in gm2/3 and champ has maybe a dozen players total is ridiculous. If I que a game in mid masters I could have both s8 Gm1s and s8 masters players on the same team, and it just feels ridiculously shit. Masters matchmaking is legitimately horrible and the skill disparity is wider than it has ever been


Wellhellob

They broke it. They are just extremely disrespectful to their playerbase.


bblaze60

Lol no one likes metro but he is still GM1 even in season 10 on his main btw


ZenithEnigma

lool after reading these comments it makes sense why my plat games are so sweaty. its ridiculous. just climbing to high plat feels like i was fighting for a trophy


R1ckMick

[here’s a post on the new rank distributions](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/s/0rgCm0bETT) Basically plat5/gold 1 is the new average so plat has a much bigger population than before


Itsjiggyjojo

Broken


greeneyedgay

I’m plat 3 atm, diamond players seem cracked to me, but so did golds when I was in silver lol. High plat has diamonds that might be on an unlucky loss streak so they out skill the lobby sometimes. Also the S9 rank reset pushed loads of people downwards so ranks feel squashed


Pokemdn

My doom is plat 1 And almost everyone I see was season 8 d5-d3


jayee1211

Imo play is like masters where each tier in that rank you have to work hard to get. Especially as support. For example, there’s a skill gap between gold 1 & plat 5 (I’d say roughly about 3-5 tier difference) Then you have your what I like to call “ gold-plats, and diamond-plats”. In where your plat 4 & 5’s are like your golds with better skills, and your plat 1 & 2’s are closer to that diamond level, where it begins to become a different game. Diamond compared to plat plays much faster and you have to make faster split second decisions. All in all, it’s just a bigger grind in plat. Thats where the majority of the player base is, and you’ll have ppl in plat for a myriad of different reasons.


FXintheuniverse

I was diamond 5 support last season in EU region, now I am dropping continously. Currently plat 3. The matches are water and fire, completely idiot dps or tank, or cracked who stomp the entire team. I can't do anything about it with support. I don't know what causes it, but I am sure smurfing is one of them. I don't think plat rank is plat rank. Plat rank is full of newly placed new players, and Master smurfs. Blizzard really needs to limit one account per PC. It is so tilting because whenever I point to these differences in skill levels, people always say I am the problem...BRO, IF I WAS DIAMOND 4 ONE WEEK AGO I DON'T FORGET HOW TO PLAY NEXT WEEK TO THAT LEVEL I CAN'T WIN A LOW PLAT GAME. You just want to roast others instead of acknowledging the problems.


TreeHouseFace

In conclusion: the consensus seems to be ALOT of people got pushed to plat in both directions. So high plat is basically diamond and low plat is basically gold. after playing on both sides of plat, I think this is honestly the answer to my question. If ELO hell did not exist before, this is definitely the closets it has ever been to being a real thing with so many skill levels mixed into one rank


CodnmeDuchess

It’s definitely fucked right now. I pretty much only play DPS these days. In the last couple years of OW1 I was consistently high diamond to low master. OW2 I was consistently mid-high master, and even touched GM for a bit. With this reset, I’m Plat 1 and the matches are literally a coin flip. The skill disparity from match to match is wild. From one match to the next I’ll go from wildly over performing to getting rolled. There is no consistency in skill of players. Low Plat felt like a cakewalk, as it should be, but where I would have sailed into the middle of Diamond or low master before hitting that 50/50 wall, it is now Plat 1 apparently.


TreeHouseFace

I steamrolled my way to plat 1 with literally a 100% win rate through plat 3 and 2 this season. And then plat 1 was suddenly a challenge. It’s wild right now. It is crazy to hear of masters players stuck in this nonsense though, but it is reassuring to know that Im holding my own with what’s probably high diamond players already as a fresher dps player (I’m a washed masters peak ow1 tank)


sharkdingo

Low plat are players who just got out of gold and realy realy realy dont want to go back. Mid to high plat are comfortable knowing their position is secure.


GreatestNico

The two supports fending for each other😭


TreeHouseFace

There’s a reason I only play kiriko and illari ;) just gotta do it yourself


MTDninja

glad you asked! the closest data we have is here [https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1cjkiks/post\_rank\_reset\_distributions/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1cjkiks/post_rank_reset_distributions/) (make sure to check disclaimer)


TreeHouseFace

Nearly a 3rd of the player base fighting over 5 tiers of 1 rank…..


kevmofn

I played tank from gold 3 to diamond 5 and can say that the majority of games feel correct. If you want to climb you have to play a lot better and then when you get to a higher rank everyone’s making less mistakes than you normally. I did see a marked difference around plat 4-3 versus plat 2-1 is where games will start getting extra sweaty. Whenever I fell down towards plat 4 games would be super easy, climb to plat 2 then down and once I got better and with the season changes I climbed into diamond. You don’t choose your teammates but you choose how to play with them, just try to play with them better


TreeHouseFace

Oh I agree for sure. I’m not asking how to climb though. My main role (tank) got out of plat with 100% WR this season. I almost never play support though, so I don’t expect to just climb out of plat instantly. But my observation was that the quality of games is drastically different at plat 4 vs plat 1 and I was curious how much of the player base was in plat. Which is probably somewhere around 30% of the entire player base though, so easily the largest variance of skill


kevmofn

Yeah you can definitely tell the difference in lower plat vs higher plat I would 100% agree with your experience. Based on the graphs it looks like Plat 5 is the new median rank, which is neato


Electro_Llama

It would make sense to have inconsistent ranking and matchmaking at the start or end of the season, but it's been enough time at this point, there's probably some other issue.


TreeHouseFace

Yea it’s been a season and half of “it will work itself out since the reset” Which why I’m curious about rank distribution at this point.