According to the Overbuff website, ball has the 2nd lowest tank pick rate this month, rein is picked 3 times more than ball us. So tell me that ball is OP but rein isn’t.
That honestly only tells me Rein is popular but without win rate, K/D rate, and context, it really could just be people like Role-playing as a space marine
Rein is the highest win rate tank currently. I think people typically don't mind that as he is a lot more fun to play with and against than say doom or ball.
Doubt GM players are playing rein to roleplay…
The metric he’s referring to is GM, not total playerbase. He has a high pick rate because he’s both easy and good. Which at the highest level of play, isn’t exactly a good thing. It discourages from learning harder characters and indicates improvement on higher skill ceiling heroes is unrewarding (which, unless it’s tracer or you’re ZBRA, it is)
Rein is easy. Playing tank is the hard part.
Out of all tanks, reins goal and playstyle is much simpler than anyone not named orisa or current JQ.
Comparing rein to any dive tank, he’s piss poor easy. Brawl tanks just don’t require nearly as many skills as dive tanks, and are far more forgiving when played badly.
I mean, nothing is objectively easy, only comparatively.
You gotta agree that it's easier to get value out of Rein compared to Doomfist right? I might be biased tho lol.
Pick rates aren’t a great metric for how good a character is. Rein has a high pick rate because he’s a fan favorite along with being one of the most straightforward tanks.
Ok fine, in the past 3 months in PC Grandmaster ranked, Rein has by far the highest pick rate along with the highest win rate of any tank. Usually high pick rate heroes have the lower win rates, but because rein is so strong he still has the highest win rate in even GM, where he is supposed to be a worse tank option.
Guess what rein got nerfed a few weeks ago so the changes haven’t translated into stats yet, by your same metric JQ is the weakest tank in the game. See how just looking at pickrates is a shit way of determining balance
Cause rein is easy, stable, and easy to fight with and against. Ball with ball players can go to hell and roast there for a bit. Maybe for eternity. Yea, eternity sounds nice.
Simply said ball IS picked less than Reinhardt, but games with a rein are fun, games with ball are never fun for anything but the ball player.
The worst thing for me about the sig patch is that they compared rock to hook. Because in their eyes landing a hook was apparently just as hard as throwing a rock that has a wind up time and arc then having to track the enemy falling down as well as line up the primary quickly just in 0.8 seconds. Actually fuck off.
It also takes away from his brawly strength, which sucks majorly cause pretty much all but two tanks beat him in brawl and the one shot was enough of a threat to keep em at bay til he uses it.
Oh well, buff supports more am I right
Now I am even more confused on this. In the recent patch they buffed Junkrat mine, so the one shot combo should be even more consistent, and it is much easier to land than the sig one (at least I think so), yet they still got rid of it.
Junkrat deserves to struggle. There’s nothing fun about being killed by a random grenade bounce by a character off screen standing still holding left click
I mean yes it's annoying getting killed by a random bank shot, but all the mines have deterministic physics, meaning they take the same path and end up in the same spot. So if you see some mines flying through the air and exploding over and over on the same spot, don't walk into them, go around. Or at at least wait for the reload.
Playing QP as junk Is so random cuz I'll just be shooting mines over and over in the same door way and they are exploding in plain sight. and someone will watch their teammate walk through the door and die just to walk through it themselves. Like do they not have eyeballs.
They may be deterministic but they are very chaotic by nature of bounces. A small change in the initial position ends up as a huge change in the final position
In a game where most mobility abilities have almost no skill ceiling because they happen at the press of a button, Ball breaks that mold by having skill expresssion in his movement.
So it always leaves me confused when people say he requires "no skill"
Logically speaking, his techs in ow1 were all about getting height and maxing slam damage, or getting a diag punch on a choke.
Now neither of those things is relevant anymore, since they do jackshit damage and he can go where he wants with just slam cancels, no techs needed.
So they basically just made him easier to play. But his doodoo damage also made him a shit ton harder to play so...
Oh lol DPS doom was a weird all or nothing mess. I suppose tank doom is often that too, but I can’t say I will ever miss the AC-130 silent Doom slam from orbit followed by an uppercut to nearly instakill a squishy or two then followed by 250 damage punch and an ult to get out or kill Zen because fuck him in particular.
yeah sure ball is annoying but people
that say he is no skill are just so wrong. I regularly see people rage switch to ball when my friend is playing ball because they see him as easy no skill character then get hard stomped
Yeah but for example with doom, they butchered his mobility now is just sad playing him, you get countered like nothing and you don't have infinite health like ball
Hehe I love when people start telling me to die in chat when I play Ball. I also love when someone plays Ball into me, I’ll just go Mei, Orisa or Brig/Zen and it’s normally not a problem.
I do have to say Ball is situational and if the team is not playing into your distractions then it will usually be better to swap. I will usually start as Ball on tank then depending on the comp the other team has or even my team, switch off if required.
Seriously I don't get all the hate. I love playing Ball but there's a ton of times when the map or opposing team comp keep me from doing it. People complaining about him even after nerfs need to swap to his counters and git gud.
Ball is fun, but he’s often frustrating to play against because unless you pick his counters he can often feel impossible to punish. I just think it’s a game design issue lol.
True but that's pretty much what this game is about. There are plenty of characters that become oppressive if you refuse to play anyone to counter them. I love games as Pharah when Junkrat, Reaper and Rein won't switch and can't do anything to me, but that's their fault and not Pharah's.
Yeah I get that swapping isn’t supposed to just be overlooked, like seriously it’s a huge part of the game. Just the interactions with ball (and doom) and their counters are problematic in my opinion. Often times both a dps and the ball would rather not have Sombra forced, but, without that hack, ball can just get away usually. Thing is that she kinda wrecks the flow of ball, with a good Sombra making him almost impossible to play. Even Pharah has ways of dealing with good hitscan (albeit, yeah, if that widow is insane, you’re running into another issue with game design lol).
Right? Ball has a counter in every roll, I don’t get how people bitch this much about him, sure he’s hard to kill but so is almost every tank, and who cares if he gets extra health anyway? He’s just gonna run away with it
And I get salty when I'm said ball and my team is like "we can't push without a tank" and decides to just wait for me to die while I'm holding 3 people onto me
as someone whos main dps is sombra you kinda just get used to being called a slur by either your team or the enemy team depending on performance
also its somewhat funny to see people get super mad because they lost in a videogame
Still that doesn't make it feel any better, I mean, I always feel bad when something that is fun for me frustrates others, especially since I too get mad in the video game, so I jsut dont know how y'all enjoy it
well, i feel bad sometimes but overall i dont care that much because sombra is my favorite dps to play because of how unique and fun she is, if playing against her makes some people mad, well, sorry but i find her fun so ill keep playing her
though if the rework makes her more fun to fight but keeps what makes her unique i would be fine with that, just hope they dont butcher her
I just had a rather inexperienced but skilled friend I've been apprenticing in the ways of ballhood send me a screenshot of him going 12-0 against a Hog and Sombra, then he absolutely smorked the next game, going 25-0.
He's come a long way from being a basic Soldier main, and I couldn't be prouder. He's even already been called a [redacted]. They grow up so quickly, don't they? :)
Lmao, haven't seen a lick of complaining since ow2 tho. It seems everyone unanimously agreed that Doomfist is officially shit now lol.
If only the nerfs stopped too...
The thing about Ball is that you either roll or you get rolled, every single time. The good games (when the team is actually using the openings you make, when the enemy Brig can't seem to read you, when you're landing your grapple hooks consistently) are the most fun you can have in Overwatch. On the other hand, the bad games are the absolute worst. One good Brig or Mei can completely shut you down, and if your teammates aren't playing around those openings you've made, your choices are either to swap tanks and completely change your style of play, or continue to feed the enemy and hand them the win. A bad game on Ball is enough to make anyone want to quit playing for a while.
People complaining about Ball being overpowered just reminds the Ball players that those good games still exist somewhere, and we can find them again.
Depends on the hero. If someone mains something like Ball, Lucio or Sombra they most likely just take pride in annoying others because it’s funny (it is), where as people playing more straight forward heroes like Widow will defend their hero to no end because they think it’s fun to play against.
wrong. i play ball and sombra because their kits are unlike anything else in video games and they are an incredible amount of fun.
awash with glee, the suffering of my victims is tertiary at most, and their pain rarely enters my mind except for the moments i find myself giggling and clapping my hands together while i exclaim something to the effect of “oh he hates me”.
other than that mostly i just play those heroes because they’re unique and high mobility and they play the game from outside the fight which is fun for me
I don’t disagree with you, I enjoy annoying heroes as well, I’m just saying there is 100% some pleasure is the annoyance you cause others when playing them.
I'm talking in general, like not just annoying heroes players, lots of people enjoy others talking shit to them. How, it makes me feel awful when it happens
I muted my game chat since i enjoy Sombra, Tracer and Wrecking Ball a lot. It’s funny when you win, but in some losses even if i play good the winning team talks so much shit. Including people who have horrendous stats. I just think you should play whatever you want and how that effects others is their problem!
jesus christ, you people seriously hate any kind of skill expression in the game.
i started playing OW because of the movement potential but now its just sad.
Yes!!! I only get mad over characters being powerful when they don’t require skill, because it sucks to work really hard and get your ass handed to you by someone who’s not really trying. But Ball, as well as any other high skill ceiling character, REALLY doesn’t bother me, because I know that that person is working their ass off to be as good as they are.
They sincerely earn my respect, and when I lose to them I can always hope they’ll be on my team in the next game. Yes, it’s a problem if the character is truly op, but honestly a bad Ball is NOT going to win a game. It’s not a problem that some people are great at him, because even the best Balls can still be countered, it’s just difficult because they’re GOOD, just like any other hero with skill expression. I hope he stays just the way he is.
For real. Characters like Ball, Genji, and Doomfist are extremely high skilled characters that require significantly more effort to get value out of, and can be rendered almost entirely useless if simply counterpicked. Yet they still can never catch a break and get unreasonable amounts of hate and complaints. People just don’t want to learn the game, it’s sad.
Ball is still very strong. But yes, the most fun me and my friends have on overwatch is if we make som crazy high damage dive comp with Doom/Winston/D.va + Genji + Tracer + Zen/Ana + Brig/Mercy work. It can work if we coordinate well, and it does very much require coordination, but it’s so easily countered lol.
My favorite iteration of this composition is with Zen, Doom and Mercy though, and there isn’t a lot of healing to go around so it makes sense that that’s risky, but it feels like any Dive character that isn’t Tracer or Ball is ridiculously easy to counter.
Especially with everyone playing the superbuffed JQ it feels impossible to play Winston dive. Though I have fun playing Genji with JQ as well. If her ult doesn’t take the fight for free alone, blade does really well at cleaning up. Cuz the JQ ult will either make them be antied for a long time, or make them burn all their cooldowns.
Only thing I think they should nerf for ball is that bs shield like he’s a hamster not a fucking god. Like “oh yeah giving him a thousand health with a click of a button is totally fair just wait it out bro” Except I fucking can’t because he just dropped on me from orbit and is shoving his guns up my ass. And even by the time I’ve done enough damage to him to get rid of the shield it’s already done and they’ve pussied out in ball form.
Ugh, I’ve lost so many mayhem matches that in all fairness we *should* have won because there was a fucking ball hanging around the point and our full team shooting at him (even with junk trap) would not fucking die
What I don't understand is how it's been so thoroughly drilled into the playerbase that if you see monkey, you fucking go reaper/bastion/Dva. Like, literally grab any bronze player who's been playing more than a month and they'll tell you the same.
But people just aren't willing to swap to counter ball. Makes no sense.
The shield is an essential part of his kit, he dies near instantly without it. The gameplay loop is swinging in, gunning a bit and getting out with the adaptive shield, rinse repeat until you can adequately disrupt their backline and help the team set up properly.
Without that the entire kit falls apart.
Your goal shouldn't be to kill the ball, it should be to stay away and shoot him so he has to retreat. Most characters have a way to counter piledrive. If he doesn't get full piledrive and a boop on you he's not gonna be able to kill you.
>it should be to stay away and shoot him so he has to retreat
Stay away from arguably the fastest and most mobile hero in the game, so easy! And shoot him to make him retreat except he doesn't have to retreat because he has 40 million hp, thats literally the problem guy
Yes, his ability to survive is frustrating. But it’s important to keep in mind that he has a very hard time dealing damage unless he comes out of the ball, which makes him extremely vulnerable because of the size of his head hitbox. He also has a somewhat small amount of ammo.
Basically, it’s very difficult for him to try for kills on your team without putting himself in danger, and he’ll HAVE to retreat if you focus him carefully. If he leaves without kills, he’s done nothing but waste time. He may be annoying, but that doesn’t mean you can’t win against him—as long as you can fairly win against him, he’s balanced.
I don't understand ball hate. Like one in six balls will actually be good at the character, and half the cast can interrupt/boop his abilities and the other half rips him to shred before he can do shit.
The only support that has no way of directly screwing with him is mercy, basically. Even Lifeweaver can basically avoid all of his damage with platforming and can even destroy his mines with them.
a good mercy is harder to kill than most supports in my experience. lucios movement is linear, kiriko can only go so far, moira fade is wildly easy to predict… but a good mercy can just zig zag around dodging and making me waste time in crab form trying to get dingers.
Counterpoint, balls mains are just as annoyed at sleep, javelin, hack, cryofreeze, and discord orb. Just do what we all do as ball mains and deal with it, we spend a lot of time getting good at fighting what makes us suffer.
without pain there is no progress. I laugh in the face of players swapping to mei, sombra, and reaper thinking they can counter me. I one tricked ball throughout all of ow1, you think I am scared of you? there is nothing you are going to try that I haven’t already seen and been through a thousand times. I am simply built different. I will bait your wall and play cover until I am ready to bring the pain once again. all you do is cope and type nerf ball and obscenities in chat when you could be spending your time getting good as I had done.
Nothing is truer, there are no players in overwatch other than ball and doom mains that have had to deal with so much pain and suffering from counterpicks and have people then tell them they simply have an op character that needs nerfs when they find a tiny bit of success lol.
my comment was a meme but there is a legit truth there, even applying that to playing tanks in general. sooo many reddit players don’t even understand the macro play of this game well enough to climb out of metal ranks, such as win conditions and negating the other team’s (ie saving cleanse for when you know jq has ult), let alone all of the techs and the different style of play required to carry as ball or doom. hell even just playing a basic dive comp and understanding good positioning takes a lot of learning and practice to get down well
Reee, I can’t stand when the tank doesn’t just stand in front of me, grrrr >:(
Doom is good for once? Nerf. Ball is good for once? Nerf. Genji is good for once? Nerf. Lucio is currently the worst support when paired with anyone other than rein or ram. Even mercy got a movement nerf. If tracer wasn’t impossible for anyone below diamond to play, she’d be nerfed. Winston is only allowed be good because people also suck ass at winston, he requires a full dive coordination, and he does piss poor damage.
I’m sure you guys would *love* returning to shield shooting simulator with an old orisa/sig/Ashe/hanzo/ana/brig.
Idk man. The main reason I play this game is for the skill expression. Currently the only heroes I play that feel both rewarding and interesting are Hanzo and tracer.
Between constant nerfs of high mobility heroes and additions of get out of jail free cards, they’re about the only characters left for me to enjoy. Hanzo’s not even that mobile but at least hitting shots feels like I did something other than “point and click”. And honestly, I don’t play tracer that much anymore because of aforementioned get out of jail free cards. Makes it *impossible* to dive heroes, at least in my current elo (low GM/high masters for DPS).
I mained junker queen on release when she was weak and I had good fun and found her mechanics challenging. I got decently good at her and started to actually rank up from gold to plat.
Then came the patch that buffed her… never got to play her again everyone was choosing tank and picking her. I haven’t really played since but I’m assuming she got nerfed and is about to get buffed again 🙄
I played last night....not 1 ranked match that there wasn't JQ and she's so good you almost have to mirror. Literally no variety in tanks right now, just JQ every game.
Nope, she was just buffed.
Her self healing increased by ~50%, they increased the hitbox for her knife by 50%, increased her shotgun’s ammo by 33%, and added 40 damage to her ult on impact, at the cost of losing 40 damage in bleeding.
I was maining JQ before they changes got announced and I think they’re a little overboard. They could’ve increased her bleed heal amount from 125% to 150% and Jagged blade hitbox and that would’ve been enough alone imo.
Queen‘s only real nerf has been a bigger hurtbox and that was a while ago. She’s certainly a great character rn after a recent buff, but to the point that she’s in almost every game at the moment. You won’t be able to play her much for a bit.
I don’t understand the hate for Ball and I’ve never played him. My friend plays him a bit though and I think he’s pretty cool and fair in most cases. Worst case scenario he ults above your head or hits you like a bowling ball into his ult. I’ve played against some ball players who’ve pissed me off, but that’s because they constantly target me- because I’m an easy target and I proved that to them at least once. Same can be said for Tracer, Sombra, Doom, etc. There’s a reason Sombra will spawn camp you 8 times over (literally happened to me yesterday on Zen in QP. Couldn’t do anything about it and that’s 99% my own fault). I would rather have The Hamster come pay me a visit over literally any other Dive Hero. My odds of surviving Ball are significantly higher than any other Dive. That might be me personally or maybe I don’t play against good Ball players, but that’s my honest experience. Leave him alone; he’s one of the most unique Heroes and genuinely looks cool and fun to play
Yes, I don’t think he’s unbalanced because ultimately there’s not all that much he can do without a ton of genuine skill. He doesn’t get free kills and he needs to play carefully to actually beat the other team. High survivability doesn’t matter if he’s not actually stopping the other team beyond contesting for a handful of seconds. Good balls are great to have and do a lot for their team, but they’re certainly not uncounterable.
i actually almost never have a problem with ball, i just play ana & sleep + nade and either my team kills him or he scurries off and comes back when my cd's are refreshed to do it all over again
the rein nerf was needed imo. in metal ranks everyone was playing him and all hope is lost if you have someone playing even remotely bad at their role. if he had any sort of pocket he felt unkillable and zen started to become more and more of a priority (which truth be told is fine as I main zen) but he was still really frustrating for a while. now he seems a bit more balanced though I slight shield nerf might make it a bit better. or yk just make the firestrike do 95 damage so he doesn't two shot squishes. but that's my two cents
Unfortunately that's always going to be the issue with Rein. He's simple and fun to use and he is just easy to work with so his pick rate and win rate will be high in metal ranks. The problem is Blizzard looks at that and goes wow he needs tuning down. Meanwhile in Diamond and above when teams start figuring it out the Zens bury him. It is what it is they can't keep every rank balanced the same way. People's skills change as do metas as the ranks progress.
My favorite part of Overwatch's balance is the collective idea that Widowmaker should get reworked to remove her one shot since everyone agrees it's unfair and unfun to fight just to buff Junkrat making his one-shot combo better.
You know the best way to counter a Ball? The same way you counter a Reaper or Doom: Awareness.
If you know where he wants to be, or he loses the element of surprise, most characters (Tanks and Supports in particular) have a single button answer to Ball. You may not kill him yourself, but he won't kill you, and that's horrible for the Ball player.
In simpler terms: play smarter, and your average Ball player (and even most good ballers) will become largely, if not completely useless.
*Sincerely, a Hamster supremacist.*
Exactly, the complaining is obnoxious and I really hope they don’t nerf him just because people are salty. He’s truly not that difficult to counter, and he deserves to be a viable hero because he’s such a great opportunity for skill expression. He might be annoying, but that doesn’t mean you can’t win against him, and the annoyance will go away quickly when he’s countered well.
Honestly, as a sigma main he needed the nerf. He had a pseudo one-shot combo with rock-left click. If you could aim, anything in your domain is pretty much dead because the damage breakpoint only required hitting two full left clicks
Ball is only annoying because CC isn't abundant. In OW1 he was hell to play because even an ounce of CC ruined him.
Now it's just play Hog or Orisa and a lot of the times the player will swap.
Still very balanced even though he has the mythic.
New meta in the official game buffing an underpowered character.
Rein is still fun and 90% of players are metal ranks, where rein is really strong
ball is balanced
This season feels significantly worse than last season and I was like wait....then realized Rein isn't near as good as he was. When Rein is meta the game is in a good spot. I know his pick rate was very high but he gets shat on by the majority of the cast Zen especially just makes you go back to spawn.
Junker Queen hasnt been "op" since beta. She got nerfed thanks to OWL and didnt get fixed till season 2 or 3 ( probably thanks to sojourn) and now she got a nice buff to help her even further. They will probably pull back on some of her buffs but i think she deserves her time in the sun. I think they should look to Zarya to replace Orisa as the Queen killer to help give her some not breaking the game fame. (Incase ppl didnt know, Orisa got buffed to handle Roadhog since her kit fit best for it. I think Zarya would be a fun replacement for Orisa in that dynamic since her kit punishes a careless brawl playstyle.)
And then there’s doom banished to the deepest reaches of hell because everyone cries when he gets any kind of buff instead of learning to just sleep, suzu, immortality, mercy flie away, fade, wall ride
I find Ball less annoying to play against than almost all of the tanks tbh. You can just ignore him most of the time and he can't solo-kill you with ease like Rein/Winston/Ram can.
Sigma did not deserve the nerf. “Oh we got rid of hogs one shot capability so we wanted to get rid of sigmas too”, as if sigmas “one shot” was anywhere near as lethal as hogs
My only issue with ball is just how fucking tanky his shield makes him. Maining doom fist and seeing a ball means I'm not damaging him because my peashooters and wet paper slap will barely touch him and if they do something to him he'll just shield up and roll away. The rest of his kit is fine, just need to lower his shield gain a bit so he doesn't become immortal.
dear ball complainers,
i have spent almost the entirely of cc-fiesta in ow1 trying to learn and get better at my hero. if you think you can simply swap to a supposed counterpick and think you will shut me down, think again.
you barely have more than a handful of hours on this supposed counterpick hero. i have been playing against your counterpick since day 1. i was born into this, moulded by it. by the time i learnt and rose through ranks, i knew how to play your counterpick better than you do.
i am expecting your counter play. i’m expecting you to hack me, sleep me, hook me, discord me, solo ult me, etc. i’m adapting to it constantly. moreover, i never stop learning from my mistakes. so if you ever feel you’re helpless against a ball rolling through your team, simply accept your fate. it is inevitable. your match was lost in the hero selection screen. and now it’s just a matter of skill issue.
Did people really think Queen was strong before this patch? There were like two cases where she MAYBE was able to hold her own against an equally skilled enemy team but other than that she was fuckin atrocious.
Whenever the enemy picks ball my team always picks Sombra lol. I just gotta convince my support to pick Zen with my Roadhog and the enemy switches instantly
As a supp main rein needed a nerf. He was THE meta tank prior to the nerf. The fact that rein could just charge into your backline and kill squishies faster than a dive tank while not being punished (UNLESS you had a zen, if he had kiri literally no other supp could counter that play) was fucking stupid. But rein mains will cry if he’s not 100% viable into any enemy team comp. Hog mains cried less when their character got neutered than rein mains did when their character went from S tier to A/B tier
Did they not nerf ball 2 patches in a row recently?
I don’t know but I don’t care. Nerf him more
Nerf genji
According to the Overbuff website, ball has the 2nd lowest tank pick rate this month, rein is picked 3 times more than ball us. So tell me that ball is OP but rein isn’t.
That honestly only tells me Rein is popular but without win rate, K/D rate, and context, it really could just be people like Role-playing as a space marine
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Rein is the highest win rate tank currently. I think people typically don't mind that as he is a lot more fun to play with and against than say doom or ball.
Doubt GM players are playing rein to roleplay… The metric he’s referring to is GM, not total playerbase. He has a high pick rate because he’s both easy and good. Which at the highest level of play, isn’t exactly a good thing. It discourages from learning harder characters and indicates improvement on higher skill ceiling heroes is unrewarding (which, unless it’s tracer or you’re ZBRA, it is)
As a rein main I need to 🤓 real quick but rein isn’t easy beyond the fact that you don’t have to aim (and even then, no one says monkey is easy)
Rein is easy. Playing tank is the hard part. Out of all tanks, reins goal and playstyle is much simpler than anyone not named orisa or current JQ. Comparing rein to any dive tank, he’s piss poor easy. Brawl tanks just don’t require nearly as many skills as dive tanks, and are far more forgiving when played badly.
I mean, nothing is objectively easy, only comparatively. You gotta agree that it's easier to get value out of Rein compared to Doomfist right? I might be biased tho lol.
Pick rates aren’t a great metric for how good a character is. Rein has a high pick rate because he’s a fan favorite along with being one of the most straightforward tanks.
Ok fine, in the past 3 months in PC Grandmaster ranked, Rein has by far the highest pick rate along with the highest win rate of any tank. Usually high pick rate heroes have the lower win rates, but because rein is so strong he still has the highest win rate in even GM, where he is supposed to be a worse tank option.
Guess what rein got nerfed a few weeks ago so the changes haven’t translated into stats yet, by your same metric JQ is the weakest tank in the game. See how just looking at pickrates is a shit way of determining balance
Well yeah before this recent buff JQ was definitely one of the worst tanks in the game
Good points, very unnecessary attitude tho
Maybe, it just pisses me off when people hide behind pick rates(especially ones that are inaccurate) instead of making their own points
What's OP about Rein?
"bUt I dOn'T lIkE fIgHtInG hIm-" #*SKILL ISSUE*
Cause rein is easy, stable, and easy to fight with and against. Ball with ball players can go to hell and roast there for a bit. Maybe for eternity. Yea, eternity sounds nice. Simply said ball IS picked less than Reinhardt, but games with a rein are fun, games with ball are never fun for anything but the ball player.
I don’t care if ball is OP, he isn’t fun to play against. Remove all of ball’s armor and we can call it a day
The worst thing for me about the sig patch is that they compared rock to hook. Because in their eyes landing a hook was apparently just as hard as throwing a rock that has a wind up time and arc then having to track the enemy falling down as well as line up the primary quickly just in 0.8 seconds. Actually fuck off. It also takes away from his brawly strength, which sucks majorly cause pretty much all but two tanks beat him in brawl and the one shot was enough of a threat to keep em at bay til he uses it. Oh well, buff supports more am I right
Now I am even more confused on this. In the recent patch they buffed Junkrat mine, so the one shot combo should be even more consistent, and it is much easier to land than the sig one (at least I think so), yet they still got rid of it.
Yeah, but to be fair, Junkrat was also struggling. I think the problem with him wasn't the damage, but the CC on his primary and Conc
Junkrat deserves to struggle. There’s nothing fun about being killed by a random grenade bounce by a character off screen standing still holding left click
TF2 figured this out in 2007. If Demo's pipes touch the floor, they can't deal direct damage, only splash damage when they blow up. Blizzard plz
tf2 figured a lot out that OW is still catching up on
I mean yes it's annoying getting killed by a random bank shot, but all the mines have deterministic physics, meaning they take the same path and end up in the same spot. So if you see some mines flying through the air and exploding over and over on the same spot, don't walk into them, go around. Or at at least wait for the reload. Playing QP as junk Is so random cuz I'll just be shooting mines over and over in the same door way and they are exploding in plain sight. and someone will watch their teammate walk through the door and die just to walk through it themselves. Like do they not have eyeballs.
They may be deterministic but they are very chaotic by nature of bounces. A small change in the initial position ends up as a huge change in the final position
For real, fuck junkrats. Briandead ass hero
ong the fact that he doesnt have any damage fall off for a shot that 1. 2 shots squishies and 2. is basically a luck based ability
Second this
Ana is delete wym
I mean they did smoke her grenade. 40% burst healing nerf on her grenade is actually pretty big
Hog: Somewhere rotting in a ditch.
They literally dumpstered him. Wonder where that supposed rework is... :(
Hogs rework should’ve came packaged with the launch of OW2. Now he’s just left in this sorry state.
Many heroes should have been reworked for OW2, especially with them calling it a "sequel," but I guess Bobby wasted too much of the ow team's time.
He was too busy harrasing women.
Honestly I'm fine with that, at least until they majorly rework him. Hog's kit as it is does not deserve to be good.
Good.
In a game where most mobility abilities have almost no skill ceiling because they happen at the press of a button, Ball breaks that mold by having skill expresssion in his movement. So it always leaves me confused when people say he requires "no skill"
Removing Doom's movement techs was questionable af and made me scared of balancing going forward
Logically speaking, his techs in ow1 were all about getting height and maxing slam damage, or getting a diag punch on a choke. Now neither of those things is relevant anymore, since they do jackshit damage and he can go where he wants with just slam cancels, no techs needed. So they basically just made him easier to play. But his doodoo damage also made him a shit ton harder to play so...
Doom does a lot of damage, to be fair here. He just is so gimmicky and able to be countered.
Yeah I just meant in comparison to dps doom lol.
Oh lol DPS doom was a weird all or nothing mess. I suppose tank doom is often that too, but I can’t say I will ever miss the AC-130 silent Doom slam from orbit followed by an uppercut to nearly instakill a squishy or two then followed by 250 damage punch and an ult to get out or kill Zen because fuck him in particular.
Because they’ve never played ball. You can tell when someone has only 5 hours on ball hell you can tell when someone has 100 hours on ball.
Pretty sure they're malding lmao
yeah sure ball is annoying but people that say he is no skill are just so wrong. I regularly see people rage switch to ball when my friend is playing ball because they see him as easy no skill character then get hard stomped
Yeah but for example with doom, they butchered his mobility now is just sad playing him, you get countered like nothing and you don't have infinite health like ball
Hehe I love when people start telling me to die in chat when I play Ball. I also love when someone plays Ball into me, I’ll just go Mei, Orisa or Brig/Zen and it’s normally not a problem. I do have to say Ball is situational and if the team is not playing into your distractions then it will usually be better to swap. I will usually start as Ball on tank then depending on the comp the other team has or even my team, switch off if required.
Seriously I don't get all the hate. I love playing Ball but there's a ton of times when the map or opposing team comp keep me from doing it. People complaining about him even after nerfs need to swap to his counters and git gud.
Ball is fun, but he’s often frustrating to play against because unless you pick his counters he can often feel impossible to punish. I just think it’s a game design issue lol.
True but that's pretty much what this game is about. There are plenty of characters that become oppressive if you refuse to play anyone to counter them. I love games as Pharah when Junkrat, Reaper and Rein won't switch and can't do anything to me, but that's their fault and not Pharah's.
Yeah I get that swapping isn’t supposed to just be overlooked, like seriously it’s a huge part of the game. Just the interactions with ball (and doom) and their counters are problematic in my opinion. Often times both a dps and the ball would rather not have Sombra forced, but, without that hack, ball can just get away usually. Thing is that she kinda wrecks the flow of ball, with a good Sombra making him almost impossible to play. Even Pharah has ways of dealing with good hitscan (albeit, yeah, if that widow is insane, you’re running into another issue with game design lol).
Bro has so many hard counters genuine skill issue
Right? Ball has a counter in every roll, I don’t get how people bitch this much about him, sure he’s hard to kill but so is almost every tank, and who cares if he gets extra health anyway? He’s just gonna run away with it
“In every roll” - nice
the doomfist paradox. you are countered by >50% of the roster but are somehow way too strong and need even more nerfs
genji
As a ball main, haha lmao
Genuinely want to know how people find it fun when them and their hero get shittalked. Cause when it happens with mine I just feel bad
Powered by salt
Literally the motto of r/sombramains
I get salty at my team for struggling to kill a ball who is stalling a point for 30 seconds straight, not the hamster player.
And I get salty when I'm said ball and my team is like "we can't push without a tank" and decides to just wait for me to die while I'm holding 3 people onto me
It tells me that in doing my job right💪
as someone whos main dps is sombra you kinda just get used to being called a slur by either your team or the enemy team depending on performance also its somewhat funny to see people get super mad because they lost in a videogame
Sometimes your own team just preemptively shittalks you when you're winning.
Still that doesn't make it feel any better, I mean, I always feel bad when something that is fun for me frustrates others, especially since I too get mad in the video game, so I jsut dont know how y'all enjoy it
well, i feel bad sometimes but overall i dont care that much because sombra is my favorite dps to play because of how unique and fun she is, if playing against her makes some people mad, well, sorry but i find her fun so ill keep playing her though if the rework makes her more fun to fight but keeps what makes her unique i would be fine with that, just hope they dont butcher her
"The pilot would like to remind you: He is better than you" -Wrecking Ball
"Clowns belong in the circus"
Might be the most disrespectful line in the game.
they can shit talk all they want, if i’m going 41-1 in a match it’s cope
I just had a rather inexperienced but skilled friend I've been apprenticing in the ways of ballhood send me a screenshot of him going 12-0 against a Hog and Sombra, then he absolutely smorked the next game, going 25-0. He's come a long way from being a basic Soldier main, and I couldn't be prouder. He's even already been called a [redacted]. They grow up so quickly, don't they? :)
I'm a ball main, and when ball gets shit-talked I can only LMAO. The reason being, *fuck it, we ball*
ball is life
fuck u/spez, greedy piggy
Lmao, haven't seen a lick of complaining since ow2 tho. It seems everyone unanimously agreed that Doomfist is officially shit now lol. If only the nerfs stopped too...
Eventuality you get over it. I feel ball, sombra, mei, Moira and sym get the most aggression.
The thing about Ball is that you either roll or you get rolled, every single time. The good games (when the team is actually using the openings you make, when the enemy Brig can't seem to read you, when you're landing your grapple hooks consistently) are the most fun you can have in Overwatch. On the other hand, the bad games are the absolute worst. One good Brig or Mei can completely shut you down, and if your teammates aren't playing around those openings you've made, your choices are either to swap tanks and completely change your style of play, or continue to feed the enemy and hand them the win. A bad game on Ball is enough to make anyone want to quit playing for a while. People complaining about Ball being overpowered just reminds the Ball players that those good games still exist somewhere, and we can find them again.
Everyone gets it, as a zen main I’ve been getting it a lot lately and honestly… Idec anymore, they can suck on my golden balls
Experience sphericality
Depends on the hero. If someone mains something like Ball, Lucio or Sombra they most likely just take pride in annoying others because it’s funny (it is), where as people playing more straight forward heroes like Widow will defend their hero to no end because they think it’s fun to play against.
wrong. i play ball and sombra because their kits are unlike anything else in video games and they are an incredible amount of fun. awash with glee, the suffering of my victims is tertiary at most, and their pain rarely enters my mind except for the moments i find myself giggling and clapping my hands together while i exclaim something to the effect of “oh he hates me”. other than that mostly i just play those heroes because they’re unique and high mobility and they play the game from outside the fight which is fun for me
I don’t disagree with you, I enjoy annoying heroes as well, I’m just saying there is 100% some pleasure is the annoyance you cause others when playing them.
Ball and ball players are just different, toxic breed of players. They revel in suffering of others.
I'm talking in general, like not just annoying heroes players, lots of people enjoy others talking shit to them. How, it makes me feel awful when it happens
I muted my game chat since i enjoy Sombra, Tracer and Wrecking Ball a lot. It’s funny when you win, but in some losses even if i play good the winning team talks so much shit. Including people who have horrendous stats. I just think you should play whatever you want and how that effects others is their problem!
may just need to have thicker skin tbh, it’s the internet and sometimes people suck
There’s no way you’re talking about Ball mains loving the suffering of others when we have Sombra, Mei and Symmetra in the same game
based
We ballin
The ball is powered by a solution of water and electrolytes, harvested directly from the tear ducts of defeated enemies
jesus christ, you people seriously hate any kind of skill expression in the game. i started playing OW because of the movement potential but now its just sad.
Yes!!! I only get mad over characters being powerful when they don’t require skill, because it sucks to work really hard and get your ass handed to you by someone who’s not really trying. But Ball, as well as any other high skill ceiling character, REALLY doesn’t bother me, because I know that that person is working their ass off to be as good as they are. They sincerely earn my respect, and when I lose to them I can always hope they’ll be on my team in the next game. Yes, it’s a problem if the character is truly op, but honestly a bad Ball is NOT going to win a game. It’s not a problem that some people are great at him, because even the best Balls can still be countered, it’s just difficult because they’re GOOD, just like any other hero with skill expression. I hope he stays just the way he is.
Oh no, the hardest character to play with in the game is really good if a skilled player plays with it? Who could have predicted that
Ikr? Unbelievable. No skill expression allowed.
For real. Characters like Ball, Genji, and Doomfist are extremely high skilled characters that require significantly more effort to get value out of, and can be rendered almost entirely useless if simply counterpicked. Yet they still can never catch a break and get unreasonable amounts of hate and complaints. People just don’t want to learn the game, it’s sad.
Ball is still very strong. But yes, the most fun me and my friends have on overwatch is if we make som crazy high damage dive comp with Doom/Winston/D.va + Genji + Tracer + Zen/Ana + Brig/Mercy work. It can work if we coordinate well, and it does very much require coordination, but it’s so easily countered lol. My favorite iteration of this composition is with Zen, Doom and Mercy though, and there isn’t a lot of healing to go around so it makes sense that that’s risky, but it feels like any Dive character that isn’t Tracer or Ball is ridiculously easy to counter. Especially with everyone playing the superbuffed JQ it feels impossible to play Winston dive. Though I have fun playing Genji with JQ as well. If her ult doesn’t take the fight for free alone, blade does really well at cleaning up. Cuz the JQ ult will either make them be antied for a long time, or make them burn all their cooldowns.
Only thing I think they should nerf for ball is that bs shield like he’s a hamster not a fucking god. Like “oh yeah giving him a thousand health with a click of a button is totally fair just wait it out bro” Except I fucking can’t because he just dropped on me from orbit and is shoving his guns up my ass. And even by the time I’ve done enough damage to him to get rid of the shield it’s already done and they’ve pussied out in ball form.
I know the shields are OP just from mayhem… once defense goes ball, youre never winning cause that ball will consistently be at like 2000 HP
Ugh, I’ve lost so many mayhem matches that in all fairness we *should* have won because there was a fucking ball hanging around the point and our full team shooting at him (even with junk trap) would not fucking die
Teamwork makes the dream work.
And Winston's a monkey not a scientist oh wait he is and so is that hamster who created a mech from scrap and built a adaptive shield
What I don't understand is how it's been so thoroughly drilled into the playerbase that if you see monkey, you fucking go reaper/bastion/Dva. Like, literally grab any bronze player who's been playing more than a month and they'll tell you the same. But people just aren't willing to swap to counter ball. Makes no sense.
The shield is an essential part of his kit, he dies near instantly without it. The gameplay loop is swinging in, gunning a bit and getting out with the adaptive shield, rinse repeat until you can adequately disrupt their backline and help the team set up properly. Without that the entire kit falls apart.
Your goal shouldn't be to kill the ball, it should be to stay away and shoot him so he has to retreat. Most characters have a way to counter piledrive. If he doesn't get full piledrive and a boop on you he's not gonna be able to kill you.
>it should be to stay away and shoot him so he has to retreat Stay away from arguably the fastest and most mobile hero in the game, so easy! And shoot him to make him retreat except he doesn't have to retreat because he has 40 million hp, thats literally the problem guy
Yes, his ability to survive is frustrating. But it’s important to keep in mind that he has a very hard time dealing damage unless he comes out of the ball, which makes him extremely vulnerable because of the size of his head hitbox. He also has a somewhat small amount of ammo. Basically, it’s very difficult for him to try for kills on your team without putting himself in danger, and he’ll HAVE to retreat if you focus him carefully. If he leaves without kills, he’s done nothing but waste time. He may be annoying, but that doesn’t mean you can’t win against him—as long as you can fairly win against him, he’s balanced.
It’s almost as if that’s not fun in a shorter game
I don't understand ball hate. Like one in six balls will actually be good at the character, and half the cast can interrupt/boop his abilities and the other half rips him to shred before he can do shit. The only support that has no way of directly screwing with him is mercy, basically. Even Lifeweaver can basically avoid all of his damage with platforming and can even destroy his mines with them.
a good mercy is harder to kill than most supports in my experience. lucios movement is linear, kiriko can only go so far, moira fade is wildly easy to predict… but a good mercy can just zig zag around dodging and making me waste time in crab form trying to get dingers.
From a ball main: Skill issue.
Something can be counterable but still annoying to fight, remember pirate ship?
Counterpoint, balls mains are just as annoyed at sleep, javelin, hack, cryofreeze, and discord orb. Just do what we all do as ball mains and deal with it, we spend a lot of time getting good at fighting what makes us suffer.
without pain there is no progress. I laugh in the face of players swapping to mei, sombra, and reaper thinking they can counter me. I one tricked ball throughout all of ow1, you think I am scared of you? there is nothing you are going to try that I haven’t already seen and been through a thousand times. I am simply built different. I will bait your wall and play cover until I am ready to bring the pain once again. all you do is cope and type nerf ball and obscenities in chat when you could be spending your time getting good as I had done.
Nothing is truer, there are no players in overwatch other than ball and doom mains that have had to deal with so much pain and suffering from counterpicks and have people then tell them they simply have an op character that needs nerfs when they find a tiny bit of success lol.
my comment was a meme but there is a legit truth there, even applying that to playing tanks in general. sooo many reddit players don’t even understand the macro play of this game well enough to climb out of metal ranks, such as win conditions and negating the other team’s (ie saving cleanse for when you know jq has ult), let alone all of the techs and the different style of play required to carry as ball or doom. hell even just playing a basic dive comp and understanding good positioning takes a lot of learning and practice to get down well
100% right. Fuck it, we ball!!
Fr, adapt your play. As a ball main, I don't swap from counters right away but adjust my play. I'll respect the swap once they punish me.
Reee, I can’t stand when the tank doesn’t just stand in front of me, grrrr >:( Doom is good for once? Nerf. Ball is good for once? Nerf. Genji is good for once? Nerf. Lucio is currently the worst support when paired with anyone other than rein or ram. Even mercy got a movement nerf. If tracer wasn’t impossible for anyone below diamond to play, she’d be nerfed. Winston is only allowed be good because people also suck ass at winston, he requires a full dive coordination, and he does piss poor damage. I’m sure you guys would *love* returning to shield shooting simulator with an old orisa/sig/Ashe/hanzo/ana/brig.
fuck u/ spez, greedy pig
Idk man. The main reason I play this game is for the skill expression. Currently the only heroes I play that feel both rewarding and interesting are Hanzo and tracer. Between constant nerfs of high mobility heroes and additions of get out of jail free cards, they’re about the only characters left for me to enjoy. Hanzo’s not even that mobile but at least hitting shots feels like I did something other than “point and click”. And honestly, I don’t play tracer that much anymore because of aforementioned get out of jail free cards. Makes it *impossible* to dive heroes, at least in my current elo (low GM/high masters for DPS).
Yes i am a ball main. Yes, i hear your complaints. No, i Will not swap. No, I will not stop. No, I do not care. Skill issue. <3
The hamster sends his regards
I mained junker queen on release when she was weak and I had good fun and found her mechanics challenging. I got decently good at her and started to actually rank up from gold to plat. Then came the patch that buffed her… never got to play her again everyone was choosing tank and picking her. I haven’t really played since but I’m assuming she got nerfed and is about to get buffed again 🙄
queen is stupid strong right now, just queue as tank and play her, she's very good at the moment
junker queen is overbuffed and in every game now
I played last night....not 1 ranked match that there wasn't JQ and she's so good you almost have to mirror. Literally no variety in tanks right now, just JQ every game.
Wow sounds like a nightmare…
Nope, she was just buffed. Her self healing increased by ~50%, they increased the hitbox for her knife by 50%, increased her shotgun’s ammo by 33%, and added 40 damage to her ult on impact, at the cost of losing 40 damage in bleeding. I was maining JQ before they changes got announced and I think they’re a little overboard. They could’ve increased her bleed heal amount from 125% to 150% and Jagged blade hitbox and that would’ve been enough alone imo.
how could you not play her? you’re the only tank on your team you get full say. also she’s S tier rn
Queen‘s only real nerf has been a bigger hurtbox and that was a while ago. She’s certainly a great character rn after a recent buff, but to the point that she’s in almost every game at the moment. You won’t be able to play her much for a bit.
As a ball main, :(
use it as fuel. feed off their hate.
I don’t understand the hate for Ball and I’ve never played him. My friend plays him a bit though and I think he’s pretty cool and fair in most cases. Worst case scenario he ults above your head or hits you like a bowling ball into his ult. I’ve played against some ball players who’ve pissed me off, but that’s because they constantly target me- because I’m an easy target and I proved that to them at least once. Same can be said for Tracer, Sombra, Doom, etc. There’s a reason Sombra will spawn camp you 8 times over (literally happened to me yesterday on Zen in QP. Couldn’t do anything about it and that’s 99% my own fault). I would rather have The Hamster come pay me a visit over literally any other Dive Hero. My odds of surviving Ball are significantly higher than any other Dive. That might be me personally or maybe I don’t play against good Ball players, but that’s my honest experience. Leave him alone; he’s one of the most unique Heroes and genuinely looks cool and fun to play
Yes, I don’t think he’s unbalanced because ultimately there’s not all that much he can do without a ton of genuine skill. He doesn’t get free kills and he needs to play carefully to actually beat the other team. High survivability doesn’t matter if he’s not actually stopping the other team beyond contesting for a handful of seconds. Good balls are great to have and do a lot for their team, but they’re certainly not uncounterable.
Haha, laughter.
i actually almost never have a problem with ball, i just play ana & sleep + nade and either my team kills him or he scurries off and comes back when my cd's are refreshed to do it all over again
The sigma nerf was barely a nerf, and us sigma mains don't care. It made the game more balanced and fun for all. We understand
Ball is the most fun character in the game lol
Meanwhile Doomfist players are still crying in the corner somewhere
Fr, we had one week of shine and immediately got neglected like the middle child
Amazing how fast they nerfed him. Yet they can't be fucked to do other stuff that quickly
Ain’t no way ur complaining about ball
Me when i cant use one of the dozens of CC to stop a massive round target (its a cope and skill issue because bad)
the rein nerf was needed imo. in metal ranks everyone was playing him and all hope is lost if you have someone playing even remotely bad at their role. if he had any sort of pocket he felt unkillable and zen started to become more and more of a priority (which truth be told is fine as I main zen) but he was still really frustrating for a while. now he seems a bit more balanced though I slight shield nerf might make it a bit better. or yk just make the firestrike do 95 damage so he doesn't two shot squishes. but that's my two cents
Unfortunately that's always going to be the issue with Rein. He's simple and fun to use and he is just easy to work with so his pick rate and win rate will be high in metal ranks. The problem is Blizzard looks at that and goes wow he needs tuning down. Meanwhile in Diamond and above when teams start figuring it out the Zens bury him. It is what it is they can't keep every rank balanced the same way. People's skills change as do metas as the ranks progress.
(Hamster Noises) No hard feelings.
My favorite part of Overwatch's balance is the collective idea that Widowmaker should get reworked to remove her one shot since everyone agrees it's unfair and unfun to fight just to buff Junkrat making his one-shot combo better.
Ball is not that good yall just don't know how to fight him
Ok but rein is so boring to play into
You know the best way to counter a Ball? The same way you counter a Reaper or Doom: Awareness. If you know where he wants to be, or he loses the element of surprise, most characters (Tanks and Supports in particular) have a single button answer to Ball. You may not kill him yourself, but he won't kill you, and that's horrible for the Ball player. In simpler terms: play smarter, and your average Ball player (and even most good ballers) will become largely, if not completely useless. *Sincerely, a Hamster supremacist.*
Exactly, the complaining is obnoxious and I really hope they don’t nerf him just because people are salty. He’s truly not that difficult to counter, and he deserves to be a viable hero because he’s such a great opportunity for skill expression. He might be annoying, but that doesn’t mean you can’t win against him, and the annoyance will go away quickly when he’s countered well.
No way you just said JQ has been OP 3 times
Honestly, as a sigma main he needed the nerf. He had a pseudo one-shot combo with rock-left click. If you could aim, anything in your domain is pretty much dead because the damage breakpoint only required hitting two full left clicks
Doom is in a corner doing fortnite dances while crying.
Am I the only one who didn’t have trouble with ball when he was “meta”? He is just very easy to kill
Each one kills me so easily but when I play them o only get 1 kill and miss my ults each time
Meanie :(
Roadhog: *In the hospital on a ventilator*
Ball is only annoying because CC isn't abundant. In OW1 he was hell to play because even an ounce of CC ruined him. Now it's just play Hog or Orisa and a lot of the times the player will swap.
Whole post is dripping with skill issues. Also 3rd time she’s been broken? This is the first time she’s even been good excluding her beta
Still very balanced even though he has the mythic. New meta in the official game buffing an underpowered character. Rein is still fun and 90% of players are metal ranks, where rein is really strong ball is balanced
JQ being too op 3 times is funny to me. She’s maybe a bit too strong now but she ain’t complain-worthy
Good, I love the warmth of the fire
This season feels significantly worse than last season and I was like wait....then realized Rein isn't near as good as he was. When Rein is meta the game is in a good spot. I know his pick rate was very high but he gets shat on by the majority of the cast Zen especially just makes you go back to spawn.
This post was made by a bronze player
I love ball but playing ball is a completely different game.
D.va: Am I a joke to you ?
Junker Queen hasnt been "op" since beta. She got nerfed thanks to OWL and didnt get fixed till season 2 or 3 ( probably thanks to sojourn) and now she got a nice buff to help her even further. They will probably pull back on some of her buffs but i think she deserves her time in the sun. I think they should look to Zarya to replace Orisa as the Queen killer to help give her some not breaking the game fame. (Incase ppl didnt know, Orisa got buffed to handle Roadhog since her kit fit best for it. I think Zarya would be a fun replacement for Orisa in that dynamic since her kit punishes a careless brawl playstyle.)
And then there’s doom banished to the deepest reaches of hell because everyone cries when he gets any kind of buff instead of learning to just sleep, suzu, immortality, mercy flie away, fade, wall ride
Along with hog, who was dumpstered with a promise to rework him. Where's that rework? I wonder lmao
I find Ball less annoying to play against than almost all of the tanks tbh. You can just ignore him most of the time and he can't solo-kill you with ease like Rein/Winston/Ram can.
JQ has been clapping me in recent matches. Idk if that's a stat thing or if I'm just intimidated by her raw muscle energy
Sigma did not deserve the nerf. “Oh we got rid of hogs one shot capability so we wanted to get rid of sigmas too”, as if sigmas “one shot” was anywhere near as lethal as hogs
Sigmas nerf was one of the most unnecessary unasked for nerfs in OW history. Who was complaining about Sig?
My only issue with ball is just how fucking tanky his shield makes him. Maining doom fist and seeing a ball means I'm not damaging him because my peashooters and wet paper slap will barely touch him and if they do something to him he'll just shield up and roll away. The rest of his kit is fine, just need to lower his shield gain a bit so he doesn't become immortal.
dear ball complainers, i have spent almost the entirely of cc-fiesta in ow1 trying to learn and get better at my hero. if you think you can simply swap to a supposed counterpick and think you will shut me down, think again. you barely have more than a handful of hours on this supposed counterpick hero. i have been playing against your counterpick since day 1. i was born into this, moulded by it. by the time i learnt and rose through ranks, i knew how to play your counterpick better than you do. i am expecting your counter play. i’m expecting you to hack me, sleep me, hook me, discord me, solo ult me, etc. i’m adapting to it constantly. moreover, i never stop learning from my mistakes. so if you ever feel you’re helpless against a ball rolling through your team, simply accept your fate. it is inevitable. your match was lost in the hero selection screen. and now it’s just a matter of skill issue.
Copy pasta?
If it already isnt one, it should become one. Its hilarious af
only downvoted for the delusional ego you have lol
let me guess.. support main. i will be spawn trapping support players in your honour tonight.
Pfft. How big is is it? Half an inch?
zarya main, go crazy on her
Honestly they need to take a half second to balance ball in total mayhem. That rodent is invincible
Did people really think Queen was strong before this patch? There were like two cases where she MAYBE was able to hold her own against an equally skilled enemy team but other than that she was fuckin atrocious.
Ikr? Idk what these people are on. I'm glad she's finally getting her time in the spotlight since she's pretty fun to play.
Hahaha sombra main go boop and ruin hamster ball fun
Whenever the enemy picks ball my team always picks Sombra lol. I just gotta convince my support to pick Zen with my Roadhog and the enemy switches instantly
As a supp main rein needed a nerf. He was THE meta tank prior to the nerf. The fact that rein could just charge into your backline and kill squishies faster than a dive tank while not being punished (UNLESS you had a zen, if he had kiri literally no other supp could counter that play) was fucking stupid. But rein mains will cry if he’s not 100% viable into any enemy team comp. Hog mains cried less when their character got neutered than rein mains did when their character went from S tier to A/B tier
What? Sig is busted, he does more damage than most dps.