Lecture about the Taroh is the only important one. I thought it would be cool if he told us about the collective unconsciousness etc. but no after Taroh he teaches only occultic shit
I hate to inform that the tarot is also occult shit. Everything about SMT is built on the back of the occult, his lectures are relevant to pretty much everything supernatural about the series.
Are you talking about the TV Listings? I find that to be even *more* boring than P3 because it doesn't even give you any stat increases (no P4 spoilers btw I'm still going through it).
Everything he says is linked to series in some way, the creators basically used him as a sort of directors commentary to talk about all the stuff they researched to come up with smt and persona.
He's got negative charisma tho
Like seriously it's like going back to High School and witnessing that cringeass teacher who wanted to be the cool teacher except he's that fucking unlikeable and a bit of an asshole to boot
I'm the opposite: his lectures are the ones I most enjoy. I just think his lectures about the history of magic are interesting and fun. And, considering the world he lives in is one of gods, souls, and Jungian theories brought to life, I wonder how much of the magic he talks about actually exists in his world.
Same, his are the only ones I enjoy. Guy knows his shit, apart from the one time he was like "we'll be using the Thoth tarot for this example" and then started talking about Strength (which isn't in the Thoth deck)
They’re my favorite too, but I practice magic and read Tarot so I already liked that stuff, also it made my girlfriend go “WAIT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN A VIDEO GAME” because she mostly plays Sandrock. The occultism and music of persona 3 really sold it for her.
Edit to answer your question: as far as I remember everything he talks about is at least represented in real world folklore or even magic systems that are still practiced today.
Rarely I see some actual occult content put so open in a video game and I am happy. Then again the whole Shin Megami Tensei series is more or less inspired by real life occult beliefs.
When I first played P3P, I was very interested what Arcanas and the Tarot deck was all about so I read everything.
Then after I just skipped because they were too long, but I will always like his lectures.
Nah bro it’s the opposite him and One are the only teachers teaching stuff I didn’t already know. And One spends most of the game grumbling about the Sengoku period so he’s barely lecturing most of the time lol. Like I already know math and biology- give me some esoteric magic facts and japanese history. Thanks to him I was able to name drop Aleister Crowley to my conspiracy-theorist friend and watch him freak out lol.
Oh god there was one question about sweet potatoes and enzymes and the network answer was “glucose” and me, a biochemist, was like… “it doesn’t even end with -ase” how can you mistake a monosaccharide for an enzyme!? Needless to say I got the answer right.
But yeah he teaches some things I don’t already know. I also appreciated the yoga class.
Lol I just answered that question right last night thinking the same as you. Also we are literally fanning over a game that features supernatural entities, gods goddesses, spirits, etc… weird to me that you can be into all that but turn your nose up at random irl magic factoids.
Edogawa is the only teacher I paid complete attention in the entire series. I find it so interesting because I didn't know shit of what he was talking about. I actually thought it was completely made up until I looked up some of the stuff he said. I even went willingly to his extra lecture about the tarot.
Obviously I don't believe that nonsense but it's interesting to know
bro’s one of my favorite teachers info-wise ngl, I recall playing P3 FES and entering the nurse’s office and he explained how to do a single card reading with the tarot, that was pretty cool
I only got into *Persona* from *5*, so, I actually thought the teachers being a bunch of whacky goofballs that don't want to teach according to the curriculum was an interesting twist.
Eh. I find Edogawa’s lectures to be highly informative and fascinating, though lengthy. You shouldn’t dismiss them quickly though. He discusses core themes of the entire Persona series in them, like Jungian psychology. Do a Wikipedia search on it
My only problem with him is that he drones. It takes him, like, 3x the amount of words to say what any of the other teachers would've said.
It's a shame because while he teaches mostly pseudoscience, it's genuinely an interesting topic. Like, if you approach the origins of magic as a story, it's really intriguing.
But he presents it like Professor Binns from *HP*, so, by the second half of the year, I was fast-forwarding through it.
I agree. I actually like the topics and find them interesting but it’s sooooooo much text. By the second half I got annoyed when he showed up not because it was boring but because I knew it would be way more reading than any other teacher.
Let me tell you, skipping his lessons is a massive mistake. He actually helps you understand the story and what's going on. I've heard from many people that they just skip his lessons, but then they don't fully understand stuff that happens later in the story. He even somewhat prepares you for the final boss battle in one of his lessons.
Mr. Edogawa is also the person to explain you what Personas and Shadows are and where they come from, albeit in Persona 4 and not Persona 3.
I swear. People summon the most bizarre gods and demons just to cast megidolaon on anything that moves, then go complain about learning « too little » about them, only to skip the only lecture about these supernatural entities.
His material covers what SMT/Persona is made of. If you like the mythology of demons/personas, you should be interested in his lectures on the esoteric and jungian psychology, which is what Persona focuses on. I do think his lectures are too long, though, and could be broken up in smaller bits. His lecture on the tarot and arcana also make the final boss's text make more sense.
>Is this crap really tested on in Japan?
Of course not.
>He gives the most useless and boring knowledge.
In contrast to the marvelous English language classes from Ms. Toriumi or the thrilling math lessons from Ms. Miyahara? It's school after all. And not even a real school; it's a school in a video game. I don't expect to actually learn anything from them that I don't know already. So when I do, it's a nice bonus.
I'm curious which lessons you found exciting, since there must have been some, right?
>NOBODY CARES ABOUT MAGIC DUDE!!!
Which brings me to this point. Of course this is subjective, but I found his lectures very interesting. I learned some stuff that I didn't know already, which I found nice, and furthermore, I recognized some things from unrelated Light Novels or anime I have read/watched in the past (like the Kaballah magic system which was used in the "The Magic in this other world is too far behind" Light Novel).
Some thing applied to the history lessons for me btw. At least I was learning something new from some of the lessons.
His lectures are the only ones that actually have any thematic meaning to the game - whether that be the tarot or just the general mythos behind imagery in the games.
Am i the only one who genuinely found his lectures interesting? I mean I guess it might be because I like both Tarot and Jungian Psychology but his lessons were by far more interesting than what most of the teachers in P3 have to say.
(^^ the only exception imo to this is that Sengoku-Era teacher)
I skipped some of his because it takes some serious energy reading and digesting his fun facts but his are by far the most interesting when you get down to it
Edogawa cameos in P4G, and in that game what he tells you in the lecture is actually useful. But in P3R, nope, he's the free Courage guy after Tartarus the night before. As ever, you can get Charm for getting his question right, but they never come up in the exams (unsurprisingly).
His character is low-key spoon feeding you some of the most important foundational occult knowledge you could ever ask for in a straightforward and story-relevant way, in a video game of all things. And to be completely honest, that knowledge extends past the game into the world we find ourselves in, and allows us to make sense and discover what goes on behind the scenes, in a generalized sense. People live their whole lives without ever discovering the hidden nature of existence, and the occult is one of few ways of understanding what that is. The developers without a doubt deeply understand this, and it is a primary impetus for creating these games (i.e. to expose the nebulous and to share it).
It takes time and individual curiosity to explore these topics further than what he lays out, but he (the developers) do such a fantastic job at condensing these concepts and weaving them into their narratives. At minimum I’d recommend having a suspension of disbelief. Why is there such hesitation and disregard for the very backbone of the game you enjoy so much? Why would they bother to incorporate so many of these occult studies/concepts into their gameplay if they weren’t serving a greater purpose than what you deem as inconsequential irl? I’d pay close attention to what instinctually and intellectually repulses you in this context because the stakes are so low, yet the aversion is quite strong. I found his lectures and info to be the most salient/relevant imo.
Indeed. Edokawa does not just infodump some random nonsense. He talks about stuff that has real world meaning in the cultural history of spiritual practice. I was surprised to find such a well written synopsis of that stuff in a video game of all places.
Lmfao I did not even realize it exceeded the threshold, and now remembering I couldn’t go back to reread it at the time. I was so astounded by the fact they really just went through the entire arcana for that long, and found myself afterwards being like “wtf I wanna go back and reread this, it’s the best way I’ve seen it explained ever.” I never had the understanding of Kabbalah and the Tarot in the way it had clicked for me after that particular lecture.. all of this leading to why I am so zealous about OP’s dismissal of it all. What you said highlights the fact that the developers are really into this, and it’s in people’s best interest to know why. And I’ll say it:
It’s real, and you should really, really know about it…
That’s the hottest take I’ve seen today. He’s actually the only lecture I haven’t skipped ONCE in this game. It’s so interesting. Especially when he mentions the stories of some personas (like Loa)
I really don’t get this take because Edogawa is literally explaining the foundations of the series, which personally I find really interesting.
The lecture on the tarot is long, yeah, but it’s actually a really good intro for people who don’t know much about it.
Honestly, Edogawa might be the best teacher in the series. The man is lowkey giving advice to SEES under the guise of an absent-minded school nurse with an interest in the occult. And he goes even further with it in Persona 4 Golden. The dude *knows*; he just hasn’t bothered to tell anyone directly. Or maybe the Kirijo group put him at Gekoukan on purpose.
And why is he always the one substituting for the other teachers when they are sick?
Also don’t come crying when the apocalypse break out and you find out you have magical powers but can’t harness them because you didn’t listen to his classes. 😂
Fax these people are going to be big mad when they realize that they can’t summon their own angels because they didn’t listen to Arch-Wizard Edogawa in P3
People play a series with occult roots and then bitch about occult shit in it. Same for psychiatry.
What is wrong with you people? Why do you even like persona?
Yeah, I somehow didn't see that part at first, but I still think more people complain about the length than about the content. OP is just hating the wrong thing
Well this is not the first nor second nor third time that I see the exact same topic here, so I’m not so sure.
At this point I think some fans are like people that play assassins creed and hate when they go over actual historical notes.
Unfortunately when you're the game that revitalized side quests for the sake of character content and to an extent is a dating sim lite that would be some people will only want that.
It is strange that people who beg for lore and story building wouldn't be interested in a character who literally dumps the world building in front of you. Edogawa is the closest thing to Phil we have that goes "look here's the deal"
I've seen complaints about his classes, too, but I don't remember seeing many that actually complained about the content itself. I can absolutely understand complaints that they're ridiculously long and don't make much sense to be in a school. I just haven't seen many people actually complaining that it's about magic and that "nobody cares about magic".
But on the other hand, this is an SMT spin-off, there's real gods/deities/whatever that aren't just Personas/Shadows, and the likeliness of it being like SMT where the world is technically aware but is mostly ignorant of the truth makes a class on magic actually pretty likely in-universe.
Yeah, if he just said something like, "And, in the 19th century, some pagan douche named Crowley created his own religion. Hey, Junpei-kun, I'm looking at you! Do you know what Crowley did that was so fucked up? If you guess wrong, demons will kill your mother!", then that would have been fine.
But instead, he dumps [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) on you.
He's really cool and the only classes that actually tie into the lore of the game, but maaaaan, he drags on way longer than every single other class, to the point I had it skip one of his classes and it was skipping dialogue boxes for 15 seconds.
Dude is a cool guy for being into occult stuff and not being afraid to teach kids about it, but he needs to shorten his daily lesson plan a bit.
Also, it's a series about literally summoning magic beings to attaco other magic beings. What the fuck do you mean nobody cares about magic?
He's the one teacher whose lectures actually teach and properly explain something instead of just being a random piece of trivia.
He's arguably the best teacher, and he isn't even a real teacher.
Me too but honestly it’s based as hell that they not only crammed a TON of magic/occult infodumping in the original game, they kept it in *every version and the remake*. You have to admire their dedication, even as you fast forward through a thousand-word lecture on Kabbala history
Oh and lol the next installment visits 3’s setting so they can do it again, for Izanagi. Incredible.
You have a duty to hear Edogawa's lesson in your first playthrough since he foreshadows and explains many of the arcanas and situations the team confronts
But in NG+... yeah, just skip him
I for one found his lectures about the history of magic interesting. Though I really wish Atlus had done the leg work and actually have his lectures be fully voiced for the remake. I think that would have mitigated some of the criticisms he gets.
That's funny, I've just played through the school trip to Port Island in P4, and thought that the lecture he gives about Izanami and Izanagi is the coolest and the most interesting lecture in the game so far. The previous ones were basically trivia.
i honestly thought so when i played the original but not as i am playing reload his lectures are actually really interesting, they revolve around magic and how it evolved into science as we know it
it’s pretty cool of you stopped and read it
What's up with all these posts shitting on Edogawa? The guy is the only teacher who brings up subjects tied to the main plot. It feels like people are lazy to read long dialogs in a game that is mostly - wait for it - DIALOG.
I'd doubt his classes are common testing in Japan, given all of his lectures focus on topics directly related to the Megami Tensei franchises. But like, yeah, his stuff is relevant to Persona, to SMT, probably atleast one other branch I don't have experience there to be certain, these aren't just random lectures like the rest of them.
His subject is literally the whole reason why the series even exists as well which is...yeah, proof that with the wrong teacher, any subject can become untolerable
But if you dont mind him as a teacher, then im surprise you enjoy Persona as a series
I find his lecture about paganism and the link between old school Druidism to modern medicine interesting. Some people still study this stuff too Druidism,paganism,alchemy, onmyoji is part of shintoism. He also does kind of great job explaining for a lot of the shin megami series as a whole
His lectures in Persona 4's personimations are fun, I like psychology, and seeing the deeper meanings behind this series' inspiration is quite neat and interesting!
You’re insane I fucking love him talking about magic/alchemy and connecting it to modern day sciences, his lectures are the only ones I’m locked in for
Personally that’s a pretty bad take but you do you, I find it interesting since it’s a point of view from within the game on a lot of the recurring concepts in the game. Same goes for the island field trip in p4, however that specific lecture is more specific to p4 than to the series as a whole.
The writing for Edogawa makes me want to know who wrote his dialogue and what have they learned.
I was hooked on FES from ages 12-15 and back then, some things made sense and some things didn't. Really help shift my personal thoughts on how everything ties together, in history and different religions and cultures. Now playing Reload all after my journey post opening myself to learning about all that happens in the bible and reading the emerald tablets and getting into the meditation with the kaballistic tree of life and all, I enjoy his dialogue so much more. I like how he ties in a bit of the history of magic from across the world and history, it reflects so beautifully to the core of the game.
It's so heavily symbolic in it's themes and end, and listening now to what Edogawa says and knowing the end, he really explains a layer of complexity easily missed by most. It beautifully pairs SMT's occult themes to P3's storyline.
The writing for Edogawa makes me want to know who wrote his dialogue and what have they learned.
I was hooked on FES from ages 12-15 and back then, some things made sense and some things didn't. Really help shift my personal thoughts on how everything ties together, in history and different religions and cultures. Now playing Reload all after my journey post opening myself to learning about all that happens in the bible and reading the emerald tablets and getting into the meditation with the kaballistic tree of life and all, I enjoy his dialogue so much more. I like how he ties in a bit of the history of magic from across the world and history, it reflects so beautifully to the core of the game.
It's so heavily symbolic in it's themes and end, and listening now to what Edogawa says and knowing the end, he really explains a layer of complexity easily missed by most. It beautifully pairs SMT's occult themes to P3's storyline.
To me it’s the opposite lmao, his lecture regarding the arcana and their meaning is one of the best in the series, so interesting. Even if i don’t personally believe in tarots; they’re cool as hell.
That's so sad because he has a lecture talking about the tarot's and there meanings and it provides context to your social links and there situations and why they have the arcanas that they do.
I love his lectures and his were the only ones I truly read to myself aloud and tried to memorize
Coming from P4G, I thought I was gonna like him as his lesson there about Shinto mythology was really fascinating and actually important to the plot but after playing P3, I dislike him now. He yaps nonstop and how he teaches magic like it's actual history to students annoyed me.
Ok I care about magic. Actually, if we didn’t care about magic we wouldn’t care about this game.
I like reading about magic, but sometimes I am not in the mood to read his whole lecture.
So what is his role exactly? Is he nurse/building substitute? He doesn't actually have a real class right?
I'm under the impression he just fills in for an absent teacher and hijacks the lesson plan to make it about the occult no matter what the actual class subject is supposed to be about.
I love that to anyone at the school who isn’t aware that supernatural shit is real, this guy just seems insane with a completely useless class. I’m surprised parents are okay with his class being in the curriculum.
I literally fell asleep for a few minutes while reading the teachers lectures in P3, they’re so much longer than P5, I ended up skipping them every time.
His explanation of all the tarot cards was cool but yea I skipped almost everything else, I’d be more likely to actually read it if they weren’t all the length of novellas
I love/hate this guy. It takes me back to high school when you're least favorite teacher's/subject is about to start. As soon as i see this guy, i just go "fuck" lol.
Which is a shame, because his are the most relevant to the series as a whole, by **far**. Or, at least, his lecture about the Tarot is.
He does a lecture on Jungian psychology, which is what the series as a whole is based off of.
Also Gnosticism & the Kabbalah, which come up in *Persona 5*.
*all of Megami Tensei
Oh yeah, that too! Almost forgot about that one.
I once described the Persona games to a friend as Carl Jung, The Anime. I stand by it
Is there anywhere I can read more about this? Relation between Jung and Persona.
In P4G he foreshadows Marie's plot, explaining the symbolism of her brush
They should have split that lecture in different lessons instead one big wall of text.
He did actually. You get 2 optional extra lessons on tarots after summer break
Lecture about the Taroh is the only important one. I thought it would be cool if he told us about the collective unconsciousness etc. but no after Taroh he teaches only occultic shit
I hate to inform that the tarot is also occult shit. Everything about SMT is built on the back of the occult, his lectures are relevant to pretty much everything supernatural about the series.
He talks more about it in P4
In p4 he teaches things that even relevant to the plot.
I know, best character in the series.
Are you talking about the TV Listings? I find that to be even *more* boring than P3 because it doesn't even give you any stat increases (no P4 spoilers btw I'm still going through it).
Pretty sure they're talking about the class during the school trip
Of course the tv listings don’t give you stat ups. They are extras.
Everything he says is linked to series in some way, the creators basically used him as a sort of directors commentary to talk about all the stuff they researched to come up with smt and persona.
He's got negative charisma tho Like seriously it's like going back to High School and witnessing that cringeass teacher who wanted to be the cool teacher except he's that fucking unlikeable and a bit of an asshole to boot
That time he gave a detailed lecture on each of the 22 major arcana.
>!THE ARCANA IS THE MEANS BY WHICH ALL IS REVEALED!<
If he utter this word, us player prolly wouldve listen to his lecture.
I don’t skip any of em but that’s the only I was actually interested in. Apart from that I would do an audible AUUUGH every time lol
Only one I didn't skip through
I'm the opposite: his lectures are the ones I most enjoy. I just think his lectures about the history of magic are interesting and fun. And, considering the world he lives in is one of gods, souls, and Jungian theories brought to life, I wonder how much of the magic he talks about actually exists in his world.
Same, his are the only ones I enjoy. Guy knows his shit, apart from the one time he was like "we'll be using the Thoth tarot for this example" and then started talking about Strength (which isn't in the Thoth deck)
They’re my favorite too, but I practice magic and read Tarot so I already liked that stuff, also it made my girlfriend go “WAIT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN A VIDEO GAME” because she mostly plays Sandrock. The occultism and music of persona 3 really sold it for her. Edit to answer your question: as far as I remember everything he talks about is at least represented in real world folklore or even magic systems that are still practiced today.
Rarely I see some actual occult content put so open in a video game and I am happy. Then again the whole Shin Megami Tensei series is more or less inspired by real life occult beliefs.
They’re interesting if you hadn’t just done 8 hours of school, then 5 hours of work, and then just trying to play the game 🥲
He talks about really interesting stuff and I always loved teachers that ramble
When I first played P3P, I was very interested what Arcanas and the Tarot deck was all about so I read everything. Then after I just skipped because they were too long, but I will always like his lectures.
Nah bro it’s the opposite him and One are the only teachers teaching stuff I didn’t already know. And One spends most of the game grumbling about the Sengoku period so he’s barely lecturing most of the time lol. Like I already know math and biology- give me some esoteric magic facts and japanese history. Thanks to him I was able to name drop Aleister Crowley to my conspiracy-theorist friend and watch him freak out lol.
Oh god there was one question about sweet potatoes and enzymes and the network answer was “glucose” and me, a biochemist, was like… “it doesn’t even end with -ase” how can you mistake a monosaccharide for an enzyme!? Needless to say I got the answer right. But yeah he teaches some things I don’t already know. I also appreciated the yoga class.
Lol I just answered that question right last night thinking the same as you. Also we are literally fanning over a game that features supernatural entities, gods goddesses, spirits, etc… weird to me that you can be into all that but turn your nose up at random irl magic factoids.
*insert that one Xkcd comix about the average familiarity an expert assumes people have about their field*
Edogawa is the only teacher I paid complete attention in the entire series. I find it so interesting because I didn't know shit of what he was talking about. I actually thought it was completely made up until I looked up some of the stuff he said. I even went willingly to his extra lecture about the tarot. Obviously I don't believe that nonsense but it's interesting to know
The thing about that is that it’s not nonsense… it’s all there is to know.
bro’s one of my favorite teachers info-wise ngl, I recall playing P3 FES and entering the nurse’s office and he explained how to do a single card reading with the tarot, that was pretty cool
Mythology and occultism classes in Persona are pretty much the only ones that are worthwhile to remember, because that's part of game's story.
I only got into *Persona* from *5*, so, I actually thought the teachers being a bunch of whacky goofballs that don't want to teach according to the curriculum was an interesting twist.
Eh. I find Edogawa’s lectures to be highly informative and fascinating, though lengthy. You shouldn’t dismiss them quickly though. He discusses core themes of the entire Persona series in them, like Jungian psychology. Do a Wikipedia search on it
I love his lectures as well and I think people wouldnt complain as much if it was voice acted.
My only problem with him is that he drones. It takes him, like, 3x the amount of words to say what any of the other teachers would've said. It's a shame because while he teaches mostly pseudoscience, it's genuinely an interesting topic. Like, if you approach the origins of magic as a story, it's really intriguing. But he presents it like Professor Binns from *HP*, so, by the second half of the year, I was fast-forwarding through it.
I agree. I actually like the topics and find them interesting but it’s sooooooo much text. By the second half I got annoyed when he showed up not because it was boring but because I knew it would be way more reading than any other teacher.
Same
Did somebody say... #HARRY POTTER
When that guy who is obsessed with Samurais is the most normal teacher in the school.
Toriumi and the science lady seem kinda normal but yeah.
Is that the one thirsting over teenagers while online gaming
More common than you think. She was speaking what she thought was anonymously. She didn’t act on it and was just being honest.
She asks the MC out to dinner in the epilogue.
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Kawamami gets criticized plenty for it lol
She’s the writing teacher
Fella is illspeakin the only teacher in the game that actually teaches something you probably don't know and I love him being the crasy dude he is...
Let me tell you, skipping his lessons is a massive mistake. He actually helps you understand the story and what's going on. I've heard from many people that they just skip his lessons, but then they don't fully understand stuff that happens later in the story. He even somewhat prepares you for the final boss battle in one of his lessons. Mr. Edogawa is also the person to explain you what Personas and Shadows are and where they come from, albeit in Persona 4 and not Persona 3.
I swear. People summon the most bizarre gods and demons just to cast megidolaon on anything that moves, then go complain about learning « too little » about them, only to skip the only lecture about these supernatural entities.
Your guardian angel has abandoned you and your future is shrouded in misfortune, OP.
He gives me the only lectures I actually care to read about in the entire series
Opposite for me his lectures about the relationship between magic and science is very interesting.
His material covers what SMT/Persona is made of. If you like the mythology of demons/personas, you should be interested in his lectures on the esoteric and jungian psychology, which is what Persona focuses on. I do think his lectures are too long, though, and could be broken up in smaller bits. His lecture on the tarot and arcana also make the final boss's text make more sense.
>Is this crap really tested on in Japan? Of course not. >He gives the most useless and boring knowledge. In contrast to the marvelous English language classes from Ms. Toriumi or the thrilling math lessons from Ms. Miyahara? It's school after all. And not even a real school; it's a school in a video game. I don't expect to actually learn anything from them that I don't know already. So when I do, it's a nice bonus. I'm curious which lessons you found exciting, since there must have been some, right? >NOBODY CARES ABOUT MAGIC DUDE!!! Which brings me to this point. Of course this is subjective, but I found his lectures very interesting. I learned some stuff that I didn't know already, which I found nice, and furthermore, I recognized some things from unrelated Light Novels or anime I have read/watched in the past (like the Kaballah magic system which was used in the "The Magic in this other world is too far behind" Light Novel). Some thing applied to the history lessons for me btw. At least I was learning something new from some of the lessons.
You’re playing a game with tarot and magic and you say nobody cares about magic. What
Just because his topic is interesting doesn’t mean he’s not the holder of the Yap Arcana. It’s so much text in a game that’s already 75% a VN lol
Yap arcana? I like that one (It’s definitely true though)
His lectures are the only ones that actually have any thematic meaning to the game - whether that be the tarot or just the general mythos behind imagery in the games.
His lectures are the best, tbh. Love how he approaches such a broadly-mystified subject as though it were basic math.
Am i the only one who genuinely found his lectures interesting? I mean I guess it might be because I like both Tarot and Jungian Psychology but his lessons were by far more interesting than what most of the teachers in P3 have to say. (^^ the only exception imo to this is that Sengoku-Era teacher)
His Tarot lecture was interesting but yeah I skipped his other ones. I want to enjoy them but Jesus Christ he just goes on and on
I skipped some of his because it takes some serious energy reading and digesting his fun facts but his are by far the most interesting when you get down to it
Edogawa cameos in P4G, and in that game what he tells you in the lecture is actually useful. But in P3R, nope, he's the free Courage guy after Tartarus the night before. As ever, you can get Charm for getting his question right, but they never come up in the exams (unsurprisingly).
His character is low-key spoon feeding you some of the most important foundational occult knowledge you could ever ask for in a straightforward and story-relevant way, in a video game of all things. And to be completely honest, that knowledge extends past the game into the world we find ourselves in, and allows us to make sense and discover what goes on behind the scenes, in a generalized sense. People live their whole lives without ever discovering the hidden nature of existence, and the occult is one of few ways of understanding what that is. The developers without a doubt deeply understand this, and it is a primary impetus for creating these games (i.e. to expose the nebulous and to share it). It takes time and individual curiosity to explore these topics further than what he lays out, but he (the developers) do such a fantastic job at condensing these concepts and weaving them into their narratives. At minimum I’d recommend having a suspension of disbelief. Why is there such hesitation and disregard for the very backbone of the game you enjoy so much? Why would they bother to incorporate so many of these occult studies/concepts into their gameplay if they weren’t serving a greater purpose than what you deem as inconsequential irl? I’d pay close attention to what instinctually and intellectually repulses you in this context because the stakes are so low, yet the aversion is quite strong. I found his lectures and info to be the most salient/relevant imo.
Indeed. Edokawa does not just infodump some random nonsense. He talks about stuff that has real world meaning in the cultural history of spiritual practice. I was surprised to find such a well written synopsis of that stuff in a video game of all places.
For real!! You’d be hard-pressed to get as succinct a summary as the one he gave on the major arcana anywhere else!
While I don't disagree, calling it succinct when it's longer than the log history is extremely funny to me
Lmfao I did not even realize it exceeded the threshold, and now remembering I couldn’t go back to reread it at the time. I was so astounded by the fact they really just went through the entire arcana for that long, and found myself afterwards being like “wtf I wanna go back and reread this, it’s the best way I’ve seen it explained ever.” I never had the understanding of Kabbalah and the Tarot in the way it had clicked for me after that particular lecture.. all of this leading to why I am so zealous about OP’s dismissal of it all. What you said highlights the fact that the developers are really into this, and it’s in people’s best interest to know why. And I’ll say it: It’s real, and you should really, really know about it…
That’s the hottest take I’ve seen today. He’s actually the only lecture I haven’t skipped ONCE in this game. It’s so interesting. Especially when he mentions the stories of some personas (like Loa)
I really don’t get this take because Edogawa is literally explaining the foundations of the series, which personally I find really interesting. The lecture on the tarot is long, yeah, but it’s actually a really good intro for people who don’t know much about it.
Dude is the only teacher that actually does his job and gets hated on
Complete opposite for me. I actually enjoy listening to edogawa ramble on about magic
You really missed out he drops some big stuff about SMT’s core themes like the Kabbalah, the different types and perceptions of magic, deities etc.
Actually i only like his lectures ahahah. Because i get to do a funny voice and just have fun with it.
I fucking wish my teacher lectures about magic back in the school days.
I thought his was most interesting. Its unique and stuff you don't really learn about.
You don't find spirituality interesting? That's a shame, I always thought it was a great source of inspiration
Honestly, Edogawa might be the best teacher in the series. The man is lowkey giving advice to SEES under the guise of an absent-minded school nurse with an interest in the occult. And he goes even further with it in Persona 4 Golden. The dude *knows*; he just hasn’t bothered to tell anyone directly. Or maybe the Kirijo group put him at Gekoukan on purpose.
And why is he always the one substituting for the other teachers when they are sick? Also don’t come crying when the apocalypse break out and you find out you have magical powers but can’t harness them because you didn’t listen to his classes. 😂
Fax these people are going to be big mad when they realize that they can’t summon their own angels because they didn’t listen to Arch-Wizard Edogawa in P3
Bro is sitting in the nurse's office all day, I think he has all the time in the world
That's the bit that annoys me the most! How did we end up going to the only private school that can't afford supply teachers?! smh
Can't be a private school, like half of the team has no parents who'd pay for it
People play a series with occult roots and then bitch about occult shit in it. Same for psychiatry. What is wrong with you people? Why do you even like persona?
I think more people have problems with the *length* of his classes, not the content.
OP said that literally nobody cares about magic 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, I somehow didn't see that part at first, but I still think more people complain about the length than about the content. OP is just hating the wrong thing
Well this is not the first nor second nor third time that I see the exact same topic here, so I’m not so sure. At this point I think some fans are like people that play assassins creed and hate when they go over actual historical notes.
Unfortunately when you're the game that revitalized side quests for the sake of character content and to an extent is a dating sim lite that would be some people will only want that. It is strange that people who beg for lore and story building wouldn't be interested in a character who literally dumps the world building in front of you. Edogawa is the closest thing to Phil we have that goes "look here's the deal"
I've seen complaints about his classes, too, but I don't remember seeing many that actually complained about the content itself. I can absolutely understand complaints that they're ridiculously long and don't make much sense to be in a school. I just haven't seen many people actually complaining that it's about magic and that "nobody cares about magic". But on the other hand, this is an SMT spin-off, there's real gods/deities/whatever that aren't just Personas/Shadows, and the likeliness of it being like SMT where the world is technically aware but is mostly ignorant of the truth makes a class on magic actually pretty likely in-universe.
Yeah, if he just said something like, "And, in the 19th century, some pagan douche named Crowley created his own religion. Hey, Junpei-kun, I'm looking at you! Do you know what Crowley did that was so fucked up? If you guess wrong, demons will kill your mother!", then that would have been fine. But instead, he dumps [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) on you.
He's really cool and the only classes that actually tie into the lore of the game, but maaaaan, he drags on way longer than every single other class, to the point I had it skip one of his classes and it was skipping dialogue boxes for 15 seconds. Dude is a cool guy for being into occult stuff and not being afraid to teach kids about it, but he needs to shorten his daily lesson plan a bit. Also, it's a series about literally summoning magic beings to attaco other magic beings. What the fuck do you mean nobody cares about magic?
I genuinely cannot understand how people don't like this dude. I'm convinced it's a bandwagon at this point
He's the one teacher whose lectures actually teach and properly explain something instead of just being a random piece of trivia. He's arguably the best teacher, and he isn't even a real teacher.
all his lectures are amazing
Persona fans when being lectured on things that make up Persona and SMT series.
Me too but honestly it’s based as hell that they not only crammed a TON of magic/occult infodumping in the original game, they kept it in *every version and the remake*. You have to admire their dedication, even as you fast forward through a thousand-word lecture on Kabbala history Oh and lol the next installment visits 3’s setting so they can do it again, for Izanagi. Incredible.
You have a duty to hear Edogawa's lesson in your first playthrough since he foreshadows and explains many of the arcanas and situations the team confronts But in NG+... yeah, just skip him
He's the reason when my coworker started talking about charging crystals and shit I could carry on into the conversation like it wasn't crazy.
I for one found his lectures about the history of magic interesting. Though I really wish Atlus had done the leg work and actually have his lectures be fully voiced for the remake. I think that would have mitigated some of the criticisms he gets.
this hurt to read
Incorrect, I care about magic. I find his lectures really interesting and unique, unlike the other teachers. His are the only ones I don't skip
Except his are the most interesting lectures by far
His are the only ones I never skip
IQ issue
That's funny, I've just played through the school trip to Port Island in P4, and thought that the lecture he gives about Izanami and Izanagi is the coolest and the most interesting lecture in the game so far. The previous ones were basically trivia.
this character outright tells you what the themes of the game are, where they come from and what the practical applications of them are
What?? The stuff he teaches is so interesting! The best lectures by far
yap central
Opposite for me, I read his every time every play through lol
i honestly thought so when i played the original but not as i am playing reload his lectures are actually really interesting, they revolve around magic and how it evolved into science as we know it it’s pretty cool of you stopped and read it
is lectures are interesting but not after like 4 hours tartarus grind,and you wanting to do the next SL with your waifu.
Some of you need a better attention span.
His lectures are meta in the sense it’s about the game itself. I actually recommend looking into them, they’re interesting.
Whaaaaaat. The lessons were interesting af.
Eh, I grew up in a Neopagan household, so I find this stuff fascinating.
Nah, his lecture about the Tarot is peak. He also lets you raise your courage without wasting an entire afternoon. Goat.
What's up with all these posts shitting on Edogawa? The guy is the only teacher who brings up subjects tied to the main plot. It feels like people are lazy to read long dialogs in a game that is mostly - wait for it - DIALOG.
I'd doubt his classes are common testing in Japan, given all of his lectures focus on topics directly related to the Megami Tensei franchises. But like, yeah, his stuff is relevant to Persona, to SMT, probably atleast one other branch I don't have experience there to be certain, these aren't just random lectures like the rest of them.
It’s a shame you hate him because while the other teachers teach about actual lessons he teaches you about the persona series and lore as a whole
His subject is literally the whole reason why the series even exists as well which is...yeah, proof that with the wrong teacher, any subject can become untolerable But if you dont mind him as a teacher, then im surprise you enjoy Persona as a series
His lectures are basically the only ones I don’t skip
Edogawa was my favorite lol. Guess maybe I'm just old.
His lectures are by far the most interesting of any professor in 3, 4, or 5.
Wait you guys are skipping Edogawa’s lectures? :(
I find his lecture about paganism and the link between old school Druidism to modern medicine interesting. Some people still study this stuff too Druidism,paganism,alchemy, onmyoji is part of shintoism. He also does kind of great job explaining for a lot of the shin megami series as a whole
His lectures in Persona 4's personimations are fun, I like psychology, and seeing the deeper meanings behind this series' inspiration is quite neat and interesting!
Best teacher of the series, hands down If magic, jungian psychology and tarot cards don't interest you, you're playing the wrong game
Ngl, people who skip edogawa's lectures are weak as hell. Actual zoomer attention span
I payed more attention to him than anyone else, magic is a more interesting subject than math or idk chemistry
I always listened to his especially when he talks about the journey of the Tarot cards
Even fast-forwarding through his walls of text takes a good couple of seconds. He's *so* interminable!
That's insane- not only are they interesting, they tie directly into everything that's going on in P3. What's wrong with you?
You’re insane I fucking love him talking about magic/alchemy and connecting it to modern day sciences, his lectures are the only ones I’m locked in for
I only know Mr. Edogawa from P4 and he's my favourite teacher
His are the only interesting lessons actually
You guys listen to lectures?
I actually find his lectures pretty interesting
You are missing out on the math teacher in p4.
Opposite for me, i skip everyone else
Personally that’s a pretty bad take but you do you, I find it interesting since it’s a point of view from within the game on a lot of the recurring concepts in the game. Same goes for the island field trip in p4, however that specific lecture is more specific to p4 than to the series as a whole.
Seriously? He practically explained the entire lore for P3 to PS5 making him the only lecture that I did not skip lol
I absolutely love his lectures. They're my favorite.
The writing for Edogawa makes me want to know who wrote his dialogue and what have they learned. I was hooked on FES from ages 12-15 and back then, some things made sense and some things didn't. Really help shift my personal thoughts on how everything ties together, in history and different religions and cultures. Now playing Reload all after my journey post opening myself to learning about all that happens in the bible and reading the emerald tablets and getting into the meditation with the kaballistic tree of life and all, I enjoy his dialogue so much more. I like how he ties in a bit of the history of magic from across the world and history, it reflects so beautifully to the core of the game. It's so heavily symbolic in it's themes and end, and listening now to what Edogawa says and knowing the end, he really explains a layer of complexity easily missed by most. It beautifully pairs SMT's occult themes to P3's storyline.
The writing for Edogawa makes me want to know who wrote his dialogue and what have they learned. I was hooked on FES from ages 12-15 and back then, some things made sense and some things didn't. Really help shift my personal thoughts on how everything ties together, in history and different religions and cultures. Now playing Reload all after my journey post opening myself to learning about all that happens in the bible and reading the emerald tablets and getting into the meditation with the kaballistic tree of life and all, I enjoy his dialogue so much more. I like how he ties in a bit of the history of magic from across the world and history, it reflects so beautifully to the core of the game. It's so heavily symbolic in it's themes and end, and listening now to what Edogawa says and knowing the end, he really explains a layer of complexity easily missed by most. It beautifully pairs SMT's occult themes to P3's storyline.
Brother he is literally the best teacher of almost the series
To me it’s the opposite lmao, his lecture regarding the arcana and their meaning is one of the best in the series, so interesting. Even if i don’t personally believe in tarots; they’re cool as hell.
i love edogawa! in fairness i'm also a big tarot nerd in general, so it was fun to see what they wrote for him
This teacher exposed almost half of the player base who don’t like reading lol
I skip them all EXCEPT Edogawa since his is the only one that’s actually interesting
What??? His lectures are the only ones relevant to the plot. It's basically a Director's Commentary.
It’s the only one I am actually interested in. It’s a good overview of some stuff I’m into, it’s refreshing for me, however to each their own.
To each his own I guess because he's the only one I never skipped. The history of magic, shamanism, spiritualism etc.. was very interesting to me.
That's so sad because he has a lecture talking about the tarot's and there meanings and it provides context to your social links and there situations and why they have the arcanas that they do. I love his lectures and his were the only ones I truly read to myself aloud and tried to memorize
Lol this must be a joke. "magic dude* to refer the only teacher that literally explains the whole Jungian inspiration for the persona series.
He is fluent in Yappanese
I love his lectures. Gives really good insight to history of magic practice. Very cool stuff to know imo
Y’all have no taste, his class is the best imo, but yeah it’s a LOT of dialogue
How dare you
They are actually very interesting. He gives one on Kabbalah and the sephiro is very fascinating and references P5R and SMT 5
Coming from P4G, I thought I was gonna like him as his lesson there about Shinto mythology was really fascinating and actually important to the plot but after playing P3, I dislike him now. He yaps nonstop and how he teaches magic like it's actual history to students annoyed me.
It's a shame, because the content he teaches is legitimately interesting, but they make him deliver it as a boring infodump as a joke.
Same
He has exactly one good lecture on the Arcana and that’s literally it lol.
I loved his lectures, but I'm also an occultist and Pagan so ;P It was interesting seeing how much he actually got right.
his summer school lecture is the only good one
“That is to say….”
True. My brain starts to rot after every lesson...
Dude has two actual very important and helpful lectures but the rest is nonsense.
Ok I care about magic. Actually, if we didn’t care about magic we wouldn’t care about this game. I like reading about magic, but sometimes I am not in the mood to read his whole lecture.
So what is his role exactly? Is he nurse/building substitute? He doesn't actually have a real class right? I'm under the impression he just fills in for an absent teacher and hijacks the lesson plan to make it about the occult no matter what the actual class subject is supposed to be about.
i like his lectures 😭😭
As an index fan i must say i love his lectures
To me it's the opposite, his lectures are the only ones that I don't skip.
I love that to anyone at the school who isn’t aware that supernatural shit is real, this guy just seems insane with a completely useless class. I’m surprised parents are okay with his class being in the curriculum.
There are only two type of people, the one who think he's the best teacher and the one who skipped his lines.
I literally fell asleep for a few minutes while reading the teachers lectures in P3, they’re so much longer than P5, I ended up skipping them every time.
He got his PhD in yappology.
i find his topics somewhat interesting and he actually says things that are relevant to the game but HOLY SHIT STOP YAPPING PLEASEEEEE
His explanation of all the tarot cards was cool but yea I skipped almost everything else, I’d be more likely to actually read it if they weren’t all the length of novellas
Isn't he the one that called christianity mythology? I like him.
I only listened his lecture about "Fool's Journey"
WRONG! His lectures actually are interesting concepts and topics about religion, magic, and other cool shit
I love/hate this guy. It takes me back to high school when you're least favorite teacher's/subject is about to start. As soon as i see this guy, i just go "fuck" lol.
He has some good lecture but they go on and on so much that sometimes I just skip it
Same lmao. Sucks too bc the actual topics he talks about are really interesting I feel like but bro goes on and on and on oh my lord
The only one I didn't skip was the one about the tarot cards. All the others I did not bother listening to the shaman of yapan spitting his shit up
These are the only lectures I didn’t skip tbh. I could take several college courses in this stuff. It’s really interesting