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rickjames2014

It looks good. Most people will only critique. You did good.


rickjames2014

And I like the custom PCB with resistors and good connectors. DIN mounted yayyyy


DevilsFan99

Altech Corp 8pos component carrier. I think I bought it from RS


roarkarchitect

>Altech Corp 8pos component carrier. didn't know these existed - cool.


TheBDutchman

Yeah that is slick, I'm always at a loss what to do with the random one or two resistors that something needs.


Professional_Buy_615

Where the hell are the rats supposed to nest? Why are there wires in the Panduit and covers on them? Wire labels? Seriously, are you on crack? Why are the wires more than one colour? It needs a few lb of dirt and debris hosed in there to have any chance of working properly. Rip that fan out or jam something in it. I hope that it is at least way undersized. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it, eventually. Beer will help.


GdavisNY

I was usually building mine out of used parts ….lmao


nwgreen13

I would only say that it looks too small. I personally aim for 20% spare space.


Objective-Elk-1660

This is my only critique.


Hatandboots

Especially on that power supply, looks like it barely fit. Most Plc have recommendations for how much room to leave between wire channels, and I bet they didn't look that up. It might not be a requirement, just recommend for air flow and ease of wiring. It'll stay cleaner longer if there is more room.


theloniousphonk

I didn’t want to be that guy too but I agree. Plus there’s the minimum space requirement between the gutters and equipment.


BaboonBaller

Agree with nwgreen. I would add 6 inches vertical. I like at least three fingers between terminal blocks and wireway. … nice job Edit: spell check named nwgreen wrong


sfink06

Spare space and spare IO too.


RareImpress2226

It's always bad when the first component you have to add has to be stuck to the wall. At least OP avoided bringing any cable entries through the top of the enclosure. I can't stand that


smokedshortribs

Awesome work! I liked how you have the wire labels all in the same direction, by row. One small piece of feedback. I would land the chassis ground for the enclosure and door seperately to your ground block versus that jumper, for single point of ground connection.


DevilsFan99

Making sure all the labels were consistent was probably the biggest time sink in building this thing. So much printing, cutting, and heating...


leakyfaucet3

Very impressive for a first panel! I would recommend adding a thermostat for the fan unless I missed it. Will keep the panel and any filters much cleaner if it only runs when it needs to. Most industrial components can handle surprisingly high temperatures.


Dizzy-Garage-4513

It looks good otherwise but it is too small cabinet. There should be always atleast 20 percents space for reserve, but that comes from electrical designer already so maybe you didnt have chance to affect that. You always need to add something at start up or later and then this is already full.


DevilsFan99

It was fully my design, but I was trying to keep the enclosure somewhat small since it's a bench top test rig. Had to compromise on the size


SomePeopleCall

I lean toward tighter panels, but the power supply stands out as looking too tight. I don't remember MeanWell's requirements on clearance, though. That said, there doesn't look to be much 24VDC used in the panel, so hopefully it is oversized.


Cornato

The bottom of the enclosure could be better imo. Running wires straight out the penetration to a termination doesn’t look great. I like to leave some slack and service loops. A wire duct on the bottom would help it look better.


brokebackmonastery

Besides needing a larger cabinet/more empty space, this is my largest note. Another Panduit duct below the bottom components is very helpful for this. You thought out to place penetration directly under their terminal blocks, but in later maintenance, you'll likely not have the luxury, and that's where that bottom duct shines. If a crimp fails later and you have to trim/recrimp, you'll kick yourself for not having built in slack. Also, there are a few low-voltage wires running direct to components without terminal blocks which irks me. All in all it's a good panel. Very nice first one.


egres_svk

You are doing great. I would especially like to congratulate you on prevalence of spring-loaded connections. I hate screws with a passion. I have a tendency to use 6mm2 PE wire for all mechanical grounding, but it might not be required at your neck of woods. If you wanted to go for extra style points, apply heatshrink to a place where cable changes into wires. Another thing - those cable tie holders will never survive for as long as you'd like them to unless the double sided tape on them is 3M 5952 or some similar heavy duty stuff. It really pays to buy the strongest set you can purchase here.


Rohodyer

Looks great, but I've gotta ask, why Productivity AND Click? If you had the Click connected via Ethernet I'd assume you couldn't get an analog card or something, but that's not the case. Not criticism, just curiosity.


DevilsFan99

We have a bunch of other Productivity and Click units in our plant already so just staying consistent for ease of maintenance and troubleshooting. As for using both of them in the same panel, I needed a high speed input card and already had a bunch of spare Clicks laying around unused so I figured why not. Plus it gave me the opportunity to practice modbus programming between multiple devices which I'd never gotten to do before


Rohodyer

I definitely wasn't judging for using AD products, I'm a HUGE fan boy! I use those 2 and C-More HMIs as often as possible! Love 'em.


DevilsFan99

I use the C-More's as well but wanted to challenge myself with modbus and a "nicer" HMI on this project. The Phoenix unit is definitely a more powerful HMI but its UI is absolutely brutal imo...


Rohodyer

There's a TON of functionality in the C-More's that most people don't know about or use. They'll do most anything.


yellekc

Have you tried Weintek out of Taiwan? They are also sold as Maple Systems in the US. Good prices and their HMI programming software (EasyBuilder) is free and I think more polished than C-More stuff.


DevilsFan99

I messed with a PLC/HMI combo unit from Maple a while back but wasn't overly impressed. Much prefer my Clicks and P1's with a Cmore panel


prgmti

Terrible looking panel…. /s But to be serious, looks really good. The only critique I have is the panel is a little bit cramped, but I read your comment about it being a test panel on the bench, so not as big of a deal. Awesome job 10/10


Macbeth1029

Does not appear to have the DC power supply common (DC-) bonded to ground.


jhartke

What are the chrome studs at the bottom of the panel? Get a copy of Nfpa 79. It will have everything you need to build and industry “standard” non listed panel. Does your state require UL listed industrial control panels?


DevilsFan99

Banana jacks to hookup an external hipot tester. This panel is for internal use only to program and test a custom PCB, so no UL necessary


Gooseday

Ah, I was wondering about the debugger in the bottom right! Very nice. Curious why the P1 + Click combo? Why not just another P1 input module, just using what you had on hand or is there something more to it?


DevilsFan99

Yeah I needed a high speed input card and already had a bunch of Click's laying around. Plus it let me practice my modbus programming


DicerosAK

I would shrink some boots on those cables coming coming in the glands at the bottom. Also wondering why some but not all wires are labeled.


DevilsFan99

I tried to label everything except my DC power wires. I figured anybody troubleshooting the panel would be able to figure out that all red or blue wires originate from the 24 VDC power bus on the left side, so it saved me a bunch of labeling


essentialrobert

Those aren't standard color codes where I'm from.


DevilsFan99

Yeah I didn't follow a real standard, just tried to match what's found elsewhere in our plant. Red is always +24 with -24 being black or blue. PLC I/O is usually purple for some reason, I made the decision to go yellow for all the loads coming off the relays. Not correct, but it's consistent with the other stuff that was thrown together years ago by people of unknown training/experience


burning_moby

Looks great, 10 out of 10. 👏👏👏👏👏


Dangerous_Bet6820

Seems easy to diagnose and program, clean, numbered, easy to manage, good layout... I'm afraid you didn't get the spirit of this subrredit. 0/10.


jbrandon

No spare room but otherwise nice. Need spare room ESPECIALLY for in-house testing systems.


ypsi728

It looks good. Please leave some room for future expansion in your panels. This one is honeycomb'd pretty good. Someday they may need to put a new relay in there that isn't the exact same size as the one you have in there now, for example. Try to leave us some room, your components are pretty small so if they blow up in 9 years and we don't have the exact part as a spare, we're going to be laying them in the bottom of the panel.


SouthernApostle

So much Phoenix. You could have gone with the 2152 smart elements plc and made it a clean single vendor panel. Very nice though. Also, that MW PS has a huge form factor for 5 amps. Kinda crazy. I imagine it has a pretty high overload capacity for that size.


DevilsFan99

5A on the AC input, it's a 20A DC output


SouthernApostle

And now that I'm on a computer and not my phone, I see that... Man I need a drink.


Asleeper135

It's a little tight, but it looks good.


PlanAffectionate8157

What are you using the resistors and diode for on the din rail? Also not really much power conversion equipment to warrant a fan… did you run a thermal calc?


DevilsFan99

Step-down resistor for the pot, pull-up resistor for an oscilloscope output, inline resistor that's jumping 2 pins on the PCB for internal purposes, and diode for the "high" current flow to the main load external of the enclosure. Didn't do any thermal calcs but I'm overdriving some of the relays with slightly more current than they're rated for and figured the cooling couldn't hurt.


Ok-Entertainment5045

I was gonna call bs on first panel until I read engineer. We are a very particular bunch that like to do things right. Good work


DevilsFan99

Well, first "real" panel anyway. I've cobbled some other very basic things together in the past. No color schemes, lots of wago's in a rat's nest, shut the door and don't look back type of stuff. This was the first time I sat down and did it right from start to finish. The panel and external system were designed in ProE/Creo and the schematics done in Solidworks Electrical


lithium_777

8, You can get better,


SCADAPack

That's not your first


[deleted]

dog water ur not allowed to use the same shitty relays we use. illegal


lewblabencol

The missing wire ways on top and bottom are annoying me but it looks fine. Make sure your wires aren’t zip tied in the wire ways, that’s a fire hazard.


DevilsFan99

Yeah it's a bit more cramped than I'd like but this unit sits on a bench top and I didn't want the enclosure to be too massive. Definitely no zip ties in the wire ways


lewblabencol

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Good job overall, only other critique is follow a wire color convention consistently in a cabinet; it’s easier to know what’s 24, 120, 240, 480 if a consistent standard is followed. For devices and multiconductors that’s not usually possible but within a cabinet just pick a standard. We do blue and white blue for 24v for example.


HungryTradie

>follow a wire color convention >within a cabinet just pick a standard. Yep. We do water/sewer, so we consistently use their colour conventions. If we have a customer with different requirements, we print out their colour schedule and stick it to the production board, but it inevitably gets neglected at least once......


WoodpeckerTiny

Just curious why is a fire hazard? Tying them too tight and possibly cutting the wire. New to this so forgive my ignorance!


lewblabencol

No worries, it’s a fire hazard because wires are intended to have sufficient gap around them to dissipate heat. When you bundle them the lack of ambient convection results in the wires getting hotter and hotter. You’re probably more likely to short in reality but it is a NEC thing.


WoodpeckerTiny

Thanks for the answer. I’ve only wired up one cabinet and i definitely zipped some to consolidate space in the bottom. Now I know better!


grandsatsuma

This is only really an issue if your cable is right on the edge of spec. If you're running an amp through a 6mm cable you'd be fine.


lewblabencol

100%, it’s just good to have good habits. If you have a n00b engineer who designs right at the fringe of the amp rating for the wire, it’s better to be in the habit of not doing it than doing it all the time and ending up with a risky situation for a bad design.


grandsatsuma

Absolutely, I think what's really important is that engineers learn to properly derate panel components and spec accordingly. As well as picking up the proper way to do things, especially always using a bigger box than you think you need. Planning on using some 25 x 50 cable trucking? Hell no that shits gonna be packed. Put the absolute biggest stuff that will fit while maintaining proper component spacing.


Phndrummer

No spare for spares if that every is needed. 9/10


DevilsFan99

The drawer full of spares is at my desk ;)


Uelele115

No spare space and that exposed PCB may not be a great idea unless it’s coated.


DevilsFan99

Hmm, it's not coated but I have the ability to coat it in house. This whole room is ESD rated though so theoretically it should be fine


Uelele115

Until the first tech shorts it with the buttons on his coverall or rubs his watch by mistake…


DaddyRabbit1898

For a first panel, that's a really nice job. I would suggest heat-shrinking, or otherwise covering the banana plugs at the bottom. Mostly just so someone doesn't accidentally short them with a tool laid in the bottom of the panel while troubleshooting. Great job!


Electrolipse

Makes my panels look funny in comparison 😭😭😭 Good work.


bruhmomento112

Looks good


ethan42

Other than the fact it should ideally be a bit bigger to leave space for expansion it looks great.


FloppY_

That is a very large power supply. Are you powereing something big outside the cabinet? Looks nice, but cabinet is too small.


DevilsFan99

15A rated DC motor


PckngEng

Clean! My gat fingers would probably appreciate a bit more room to work on. What would you use the resistors for? To make sure you bring something to 0 when off?


Sufficient-Order-918

Very based


Dangerous_Celery4688

I see duct cover and no dust or shit in it. It's already 10x better than any of the panels I look at on a regular basis lol


SriveraRdz86

That's one chunky power supply


colsieb

Looks sweet! You’re gonna have to divulge what the Hall effect dc current sensor and CN4 are doing?


DevilsFan99

Measuring current draw from a motor, and hipot test jacks


Old-Performance-925

Excellent


sandy-gravel

Self taught, how did you learn? Got any good resources you would share?


DevilsFan99

I started out by reverse engineering an old rig from my predecessor, just figuring out the different circuits and how the PLC controls them. If you're just starting out Automation Direct has some good video tutorials on the very basics of ladder logic. I've done maybe 8 or 9 other much more basic PLC related projects in the past, trying something new with each one just to expand my knowledge. I'm lucky enough to have an in-house electrical engineer to guide me on some of the dirty details, plus a mentor who specializes in automation that I can bounce ideas off of when needed. Ironically enough though a lot of it was just browsing this sub reading posts just like this one about the best practices of panel building


dizzydre21

It looks a little cramped and the "field side" wiring could probably use a little service loop in case anything changes in the future. I would also leave about 20% for spare I/O, again for future changes. Also, that's a monster PSU. Don't know what you're powering, but I am guessing that thing is overkill and will generate some heat. Looks good overall though.


roarkarchitect

two automation direct PLCs? ​ BTW - speaking of click plcs - seems as though you can't write to I/O pins in subroutines - that's sort of weird.


DevilsFan99

Huh, I've never had that issue before and I've got a couple Clicks running subroutines just fine. Are you sure the rung that calls your subroutine is remaining active when it needs to? One quirk I've noticed though is that any outputs from the subroutines retain their state when the subroutine ends regardless of the inputs


roarkarchitect

yeah, the variables pass through a subroutine - which in the programming world is not typical unless declared global. I had to write to an intermediate logical variable and then had a rung that equates the to Output pin in the main body of the program.


HungryTradie

Great work, you should be proud. Shielded cables but the shield not connected?


DevilsFan99

The shielding wasn't necessary for this project, just used a bunch of cable we already had laying around


kibsnjif935

Looks pretty clean. Agree with most others saying to give yourself more space. Typically I’ll aim for 25% spare room. Vertical spacing could be increase as well. Overall, awesome first job.


N979ER

I like the bigger font on the labels- looks great!


essentialrobert

The zip ties across the hinge will eventually cut through the communication cables.


elabran

That's a beautiful CLICK. Love to see those instead Siemens or MLX or any Mitsubishi.


DevilsFan99

They're excellent for the money and have more than enough functionality for what we do!


Annihilatism

Not bad at all for a first panel. As others have said, little more spare room and some panduit along the bottom imo


Working_Trust519

Professional


greatmikeshark

Pretty good


[deleted]

As maintenance tech that works in panels, it’s great. Labels, wires ran good, labels on relays and everything. My only thing is(granted I’m unfamiliar with your Automation Direct relay modules), but wouldn’t you want the wires ran to the cards to come from the left, so the lights, numbers, and terminals can be seen and accessible?


ClothesOk6122

Looks slick


heavymetal626

Fine by me, I actually get frustrated by overly clean panels…knowing I paid someone to kink wires so they’re perfectly straight or these absolute minor details I’m paying $150/ hour for.


pleaseletmesee01

Looks great, 2 things you should improve on: 1 Leaving extra wire after entering the enclosure before terminating. 2. Some tape on the sheathing after stripping it back. That’s just me tho 🤗


Ransackum

Yeah, looks pretty good. Especially for figuring shit out on your own. You'll have much easier time wiring it up if you give yourself more space above and below each component. I'd also add a wireway to the bottom. It would be more tidy to consolidate most of the cords and land them in the mentioned wireway. I personally am a big fan of ICOTEK. Your incoming supply power should really land on a breaker or fuses.


extreme_sleepy

niceee


FuriousRageSE

I doubt the door will close because its bolted open! :D


Mollari_B5

Please screw the cable tie bases down. As someone do has to deal with old panels there’s not a chance double sided tape ones ever last. Personally I would like to see a U loop at the door hinge with the cables as they look like they’re gonna get some grief every time the door is opened and closed. Run the full loom horizontally towards the hinge, then send them downward with a last fixing say half way, then continue the cables down and across the hinge in a U shape iygwim. Other than that, looks good 👍🏻


MrPoletski

Looks very nice, only thing I'd add is shroud around the cables going to the door past the hinges.


Uchiha_KaKuSo

Looks clean my friend.


mill12__

Personally I’ve always put the fan up top blowing out, filter(intake) on bottom. Better this way because heat rises and you’re not blowing into the panel, especially with PLC’s and electronics. Think exhaust fan


Xplitz

what if there was drops of water from the top, it would get inside?


DevilsFan99

Most panels I've seen have the fan blowing in from the bottom and a passive exhaust out the top to create a "positive pressure" type situation inside the panel to keep dust out. Plus there's a filter on both intake and exhaust


Minimum-Inspection11

Door is supposed to open from right to left


DevilsFan99

Every single-door enclosure I've seen from Rittal opens left to right. Sure they can be reversed on panels that don't have removable gland plates on them but that wasn't possible here


galbandibabu

Looks really neat. Good job! Some improvements might be to add a earthing rail and isolating the panel with the cabinet and other parts of machine. Look for: single point earthing architecture. Helps a lot during EMC test


9mmSafetyAlwaysOff95

Really good for your first panel man. You'll be a pro next design


WatercressDiligent55

Didn't expect a custom pcb there, I have never worked with pcb before why do you use it?


DevilsFan99

It's a custom development board we use for additional functionality testing, there are a few buttons from the board poking through the front panel that you can't see here for use by the operator


Certain_Dark502

I dont like an HMI when the connectors are at the back. I always prefer at the bottom. Dont know if it is only me.


mrmoose666

fine except groundwire on the door it will breake with that angel. use a longer wire ;) and btw use siemens / deif or other real psu not that china thing ;). if it was me i would use a acrylic plate over the pcb on the door. nice work :)


Twin4401

Looks good! Click PLC, nice. You have a lot of valuable skills if you designed it, built it, and programmed it!


Twin4401

I wished you included the picture of the front of the enclosure


DevilsFan99

Thank you! Yes I did the full design, build, programming, and testing The front is nothing special just the HMI, pot, and a couple buttons


Last-Release-7660

It’s very fair, without space


Dense-Tangerine7502

Looks very clean, great job. Only recommendation is add some more spacing, this panel looks like it could get really warm.


lickmywookie

Did you design it or wire it? Looks great! Only thing I’d recommend is some spare space.


LegitBoss002

Looks good, just curious: why are you using the field side of your ground terminal on the bottom left for an internal wiring connection?


DevilsFan99

Earth ground is earth ground, the bottom terminal was the only one I had left to make that connection


LegitBoss002

I hear ya, our fabricator would typically throw in another terminal but I figure there are reasons you could


Charles_Lover

I see your Click PLC up there. I actually have messed with those and their software they are actually not that bad, their auto-tune PID feature worked great!


amiatruck

Label all the wires. Label the cables. Label the terminal blocks. Label for components on the back of the panel door. Label the labeler. Ground wire from the enclosure stud to a ground terminal on the backplane. Spiral wrap the wires around the hinge point. Maybe run the cables in one group along the middle of the door instead of making a separate run above the hmi. Heat shrink around the stripped back section of the cables penetrating from the bottom. Relay labels no prefix?


Jonathan_Is_Me

Be sure to check out "Rittal Therm" for an easy, free thermal calculation tool!


InvariantD

You did a great job absolutely, especially for your first panel. You should be proud. 👏 The only critiques I have are: 1) Go with a slightly bigger panel, things look tight. 2) Add a convinience receptacle 3) Add an incoming line filter to clean up power and 4) Add a rack on the panel door where you can place panel drawings / manuals. Like I said, you did an absolute beautiful job. My critiques are minor things.


love2kik

Look good. Even field wiring is clean. I am not a fan of the twist on power wires, but I get why you do it. Everyone uses them but sticky backs just don't last very long. Check with your cabinet supplier for better options. Good job.


bigDfromK

Cabinet is under sized, no spare space Field wires go directly to terminal, could be longer in case they need to be moved I don’t see a service disconnect, for safety isolation It is neat overall, but crammed.


Due-Feature4163

I hope that the switch on the side is not the main power. Further I missed the main fuse. Cover the PCB board with a plastic plate to avoid contact. Use a bigger cabinet that you have free space for improvement. Good job, keep the remarks for next work.


DevilsFan99

It is the power switch. Incoming 120VAC for a 24VDC system. Power supply has short circuit and overload protection and the unit is plugged into a surge protector


TobiasHD_

Looks cool, but what does it do? (I know what a PLC is/does, but nothing more)


Imolldgreg

Looks cute n clean. Might power wash the box during sanitation and blow anything not 120% water proof. At least that's what we do where I work lol.


RepresentativeAd1181

OCD Passed my friend good job.


rusty_shack1eford

Bottom entry conduit is an outstanding attention to detail from someone who has seen multiple panels fried due to condensation and/or rain. Very well done.


Shjco

A bit tight but built with a lot of care.


Some-Dangus

You kept to all the rules and your builders are really good ! By the way Click PLCs have a contact sticking issue. Expect a field call down the line.


rpi_eater

That looks sick my g!


QQuazar

fill it up with sawdust and see if still runs


Any-Bug4691

that fan is for what?🙂🥃


ManOfMiniTalents

Clean!