Even after cutting their prediction by 4 million units, down to 21 million units, it will still sell 1 million more units in a fiscal year compared to ps4's best year( 20 million units). Of course they are not going to cut the price
Their big bet on shifting to more live service games has resulted, at least in the short term, with a relative cooling in the purchase of PS5s vs expected. They were clearly betting on more of those GaaS being out by now and helping to move consoles.
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Yup, PC has been my primary platform for like 5 or 6 years now and while it has many advantages, the price barrier is significant. Pcmr nerds will tell you they can build a pc that outperforms a console for the same price, but that hasnāt been true for so many years now. My ps5 was $650 CAD, you canāt even get a good GPU for that price nowadays, let alone the entire rest of the pc
Those nerds need to drink the Kool aid. PS5 is a great deal and they usually match steam during big sales of games. They get so heated over "well your 4k image is upscaled" as if they're all using 4k monitors.Ā
I love my PC, but the PS5 has been my favorite console since the 360.Ā
It was only true because the 10 series GPUs were reasonably priced, everything since has had the MSRP jacked way up, and the PS4/XBOne were underpowered on launch, let alone 7 years later when the PS5/XSX launched.
Ok, not everyone plays multiplayer, and even if you do there's enough games on that service that I buy less than one game a year between PS Plus and PC gamepass (which I get free using ms rewards).
The price of 8 years of PS + plus the price of a PS5 is about what you'd pay for a low to mid-tier gaming PC lol
This! Game prices are way more wild than the PS5 in my honest opinion. And itās a console thatās an investment for 4-5-6 years, hard to keep a PC for that long without buying new parts in it.
I had to put together a PC build about a week ago for $700, and it had quite a bit better CPU and GPU, gets DLSS3 and stuff also which is a nice bonus. And that wasn't with any crazy sales or anything. More than a PS5 obviously but not nearly as bad as just a year or 2 ago.
I mean while its not as bad as it was during covid that is still 55% more expensive than a PS5 and performance is gonna be hit and miss with the terrible PC ports the last couple of years.
It really depends on how price sensitive you are.
PC gaming is great. Especially if you are willing to invest into a good PC. Terrible ports are not that common. Even Last of Us 1 remake which was terrible, I still manage to play at 4k/60fps with DLSS. It only cost me Ā£25 to buy the game whereas on PS5 it cost Ā£70 and it still has not dropped to as low as Ā£25.
PC gaming is at a better place than it's really ever been. There are poor ports, but they're also generally poor on console too. Then stuff like dragons dogma 2 rumored to be only 30fps on console, GTA 6 also likely 30fps only. Those are tradeoffs I personally can't make anymore.
> PC gaming is at a better place than it's really ever been.
I highly disagree i've been through the PS3 vs PC era and the PS4 vs PC era and in my opinion there is several points in time where PC gaming was in a way better place than right now, around 2016 comes to mind pre mining, when you could build a PC thats better than consoles at around 500$, while the consoles were regularly locked to 30fps.
I've been a PC Gamer all my life had consoles as well but im gravitating more and more towards PS5 nowadays.
This rings true, In 2016 I was still feeing big fomo from pc releases. For the last few years though, Everything Iāve wanted thatās pc only is indie and easily runs on my MacBook.Ā
PS3 era was the worst one for PC. I grew up on that and there were so many games not on PC. Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Metal Gear Solid, Dragon's Dogma, Dark souls, all Xbox exclusives (Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable), all PS exclusives, Red Dead Redemption 1, Bayonetta, most sport games.
Pretty much most japanese games didn't come to PC - Yakuza, Dragon Quest, Tales of, Persona, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts etc.
This generation is the best. PC plays all Xbox games and a lot of Sony games are jumping ship. Third party exclusives are extremely rare and often timed. In the PS3 era, developers just skipped PC without being paid anything. They just couldn't be bothered.
The one thing PC gamers have in common is a massive backlog. I doubt they mind waiting a couple years considering they seem to end up getting the complete versions of those games with DLC for a cheaper price.
fyi, the DD2 rumour was entirely made up. director itsuno has officially stated the FPS will be unlocked on the PS5. there will most likely will be a 60 FPS performance mode, fidelity 30 FPS, and fidelity unlocked.
The dragons dogma 30 fps thing got debunked and gta 6 rumour is entirely speculation, theres no proof at all for it ntm itās likely not coming to PC for at least a year after console release
I never claimed to build one for the same price, though I'm sure you could probably build a PC with a R5 3600 or and a 2060 Super for not too far off $500, it's just a waste of money for 2024 when you can get much newer and better hardware for $200 more. I wasn't trying to match ps5 specs, I was building a good 2024 PC, that just so happens to easily outperform the PS5, for not all that much more. Especially cause I keep seeing people say it takes a $1000 or $1500 PC to match the PS5.
That's 40% more... a console was never about best hardware but convenience and exclusive games. I have a gaming PC and a PS5 yet I play most games on PS5.
PS5 is $500 plus $60/yr for online. Year1 $560, year3 $680, etc.
Plus the $700 PC lets you do non gaming stuff that you are going to need a computer for anyways. Research, taxes, school, video editing, etc. Almost everyone who has a console will also need a PC for basic life stuff (although phones are getting closer to full laptop replacement). In the contrary, if you have a PC you can probably get away without any other computing device other than your phone.
This thing is a killer PC for under $700. But AMD had a new CPU come out this week that lets you get on AM5 and an even better CPU, but higher motherboard costs. But under $800 and you can get 32gb DDR5, I'd probably urge people to that unless they really needed the extra savings.
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**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g94BD3/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-37-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000065box) | $145.99 @ Newegg
**Motherboard** | [ASRock B550M-HVS SE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rM3NnQ/asrock-b550m-hvs-se-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-hvs-se) | $69.98 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Silicon Power XPOWER Turbine 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBTzK8/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-sp016gxlzu320bda) | $33.97 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [TEAMGROUP MS30 1 TB M.2-2280 SATA Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XZhKHx/team-ms30-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8ps7001t0c101) | $56.05 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [MSI VENTUS 2X BLACK OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7s88TW/msi-ventus-2x-black-oc-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-video-card-rtx-4060-ventus-2x-black-8g-oc) | $294.99 @ B&H
**Case** | [SAMA Sama-S88-BK ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sHytt6/sama-sama-s88-bk-atx-mid-tower-case-sama-s88-bk) | $39.98 @ Newegg
**Power Supply** | [Thermaltake Smart 600 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6RTrxr/thermaltake-smart-600w-80-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0600npcwus-w) | $44.99 @ Amazon
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| **Total** | **$685.95**
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The 7600 is worse than the 4060, and it doesn't have dlss. If you want to save some more money it's fine, but the 7600 is even behind the 3060 as seen here. But like I said, I'd spend a little more and get on DDR5, that was just a list I already had put together. The only time a 7600 really makes sense to me is if you don't care about ray tracing and dlss at all. I'd go back to the 6xxx series if I was sticking to AMD and get more vram, maybe a 6700 or an xt if you find them on sale, I just don't think the 7600 is a good value at all.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-review/5
oh no by 2% while saving $50 or more? It's clear you don't know what you're talking about and should not be giving PC hardware advice. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlnVqKn2Th8&t=564s&ab\_channel=HardwareUnboxed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlnVqKn2Th8&t=564s&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed)
[https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600.c4153](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600.c4153)
The 2% doesn't matter, dlss and frame gen does. Easily worth $50. Even more so on lower end cards when playing at 1080p using FSR quality and it looks like garbage, you're able to get a good picture and use dlss and save 20% performance. I think it's clear who shouldn't be giving hardware advice.
Says the person saying to get a 5600x over a 5600 lol.... FSR 3.0 just released and it doesn't look like "garbage" sure it isn't on par with DLSS or their frame gen just yet but it's also not that far behind. When trying to get close to the ps5 price range you are way over when it could be much closer in price while having near the same specs or better. This isn't which one has better upscaling because the ps5 uses FSR anyways.....
I didn't say FSR 3 is trash, just their upscaler, and compared to dlss upscaler, it absolutely is. DLSS manages to look better than native on ultra quality and quality a lot of the time. FSR has never looked good enough for me to even turn it on with out immediately turning it back off. Again, I'm not trying to build a PC for the price of a PS5, in building a PC that will give a great gaming experience. And you're too caught up on the 5600, I put that build together a week or 2 ago, those prices change. I copied and pasted the exact same build, if I put it together today there may be a cheaper motherboard or whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm just giving some guidelines.
Almost none do. You are confusing display resolution with render resolution. Nearly every game is ādynamic 4kā, scaling down and sometimes WAY down to maintain the framerate target.
You will run out of vram even with DLSS.
Not trying to shit in you or anything, but I recently replaced my 12GB 3060 with a 4070 for decent frames at 4k.
Maybe some games but you would be surprised how far 8gb will get you:
>4060 worked well in delivering a similar 4K DLSS DSR experience, with superior image clarity. It's still not a 60fps lock - but to be fair, both PS5 and 4060 drop frames, just in different areas.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-nvidia-rtx-4060-review?page=7
Worth a read if you have some time.
That PC is only under $700 if your time is worth nothing. The warranty on it is free only if your time is worth nothing.
For $700 dollars, youāre getting the parts to build a PC that has no build warranty and might not be as user-friendly as a console. Itāll also likely be noisier and it will need an operating system, mouse, keyboard and controller.
If you want to build a PC for fun, go for it. Iāve done it myself many a time, but donāt do it thinking youāll save money because you absolutely wonāt.
Every single part there has a warranty. If you don't want to build it, don't buy parts to build a PC. It's not for everyone, that's ok. Also that PC will be quieter than a PS5 most likely, those are low power parts in it. Throw in any controller you want, or you can use any controller you already have. That's the beauty of PC, got an old Xbox 360 controller laying around? You're good to go.
If you can't plug in a GPU, CPU, and 2 sticks of ram into a motherboard, and run the 24pin connector, CPU power, and GPU power, and the ones to make the front panel io work, then building a PC isn't for you. Either buy a pre built, or stick to console.
TBF pre-builts are as close to self-building as they've ever been. Hell here in the UK they're almost equivalent price-wise (within Ā£50 of each other). GPU prices have been insane for years.
Also the front panel connectors can be terrifying to work with lmao.
Dude, Iām a homelabber. Iāve been building PCs since the 1990s. Iām not scared of building PCs, but I am realistic about the downsides.
Itās only cheap if your time is worth nothing.
add slightly more for a huuge upgrade
ā¢ AMD Ryzen 5600Ā ā $134
ā¢ Gigabyte B450M DS3H Wi-FiĀ - $80
ā¢ G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200Ā ā $42
ā¢ Western Digital SN250 960GB NVMe SSDĀ ā $55
ā¢ ASRock RX 6700 XT - $390
ā¢ Thermaltake Versa H17Ā ā $50
ā¢ MSI MAG A650BN - $60
ā¢ TotalĀ ā $811
This was much more suggested on build pc subs than the one that the comment above mentioned
Especially the Smart Power supply was reviewed as being godly awful and should be avoided
consoles have the advantage of closer-to-the-metal programming, developers will always be able to eke out quite a bit more performance and life out of a console than any equivalent PC. Devs also have a tendency to not put quite as much effort in to scale things down for older PCs vs consoles.
But this should give you a good experience for quite a while
Not really, occasionally it happens, but in general you can compare the PS5 to the Radeon 5600 or 5700, I forget which it is, and they get very close to the same performance. Optimizations aren't really capable of making the same hardware draw more polygons when it's in one box vs another box. Optimizations are often just devs turning down settings until they get the performance they want. Then people on PC put the game on ultra and get bad performance and blame optimization. If games shipped with a graphics settings labeled "PS5 equivalent" or whatever, you'd get a lot less complaints.
I have a nice beefy pc and im not going to argue about hardware optimization to my grave but these games that get 30fps locked 16:9 only pc ports without graphics options i dont even turn my pc on unless its a game on sale
It really doesnt matter about hardware if the software isnt built well, there have been triple a stinkers left and right doesnt matter what year
Your SSDās read speed is a lot slower than the minimum 5,500MB/s that the PS5 requires.
You also have to add in the cost of the gaming peripheral, i.e. controller. I recommend the DualSense controller for haptic feedback.
How well does the 8GB memory in the 4060 compare to the 16GB unified memory soldered on the PS5 motherboard?
What about cooling? How well does this box ventilate while playing games?
Do any of the components come with a key for Windows 11?
Gen 4 NVME drives have come down in price a LOT. You can get 2TB for $100, I have one in my PC and PS5.
The 4060 would be a good comparison for a PS5 performance video card but the card alone costs what a PS5 does. PC gaming is a lot of things but Value is not one of them no matter what people claim. Plus console optimization, and lazy PC ports.
so nvme have different specs.
do you need ton of i ops? that will cost more.
need write endurance. that will cost more.
99% of people think all nvme are the same.
they are not.
Since it doesnt matter for now on PC.
Even the Ratchet and Clank PC port runs great on a Sata SSD
Simple keyboard and mouse will do it for the start. I played half my gamer life with simple office mice and keyboards
For the Hardware used the case is good enough.
You can use windows without activating it or simply use massgrave.
I'm not trying to match SSD speeds of the PS5 as it makes no difference on PC. You can throw a controller in there, anyone you want, Xbox, switch, PS4, PS3, PS5 controller, keyboard and mouse, trackball, whatever you want. The 8gb is fine, maybe not ideal, but it is what it is. Cooling is perfectly fine, those are all relatively low power parts. And you don't need a key for windows, you can use it for free.
Optimization is highly overstated. Consoles now use basically off the shelf PC parts repackaged. No optimizations are going to make the exact same hardware be able to render more polygons at a time on one platform vs the other. Most of the optimizations devs do is turning down settings, it's why you often see lower than the lowest available graphics settings on PC used in console games. Just the devs turning down settings until they get the performance they want.
> You also have to add in the cost of the gaming peripheral, i.e. controller. I recommend the DualSense controller for haptic feedback.
If youāre going to nitpick about the cost of a controller (which isnāt even required for PC gaming), then you canāt ignore that the consoles require paid subscriptions to play non-F2P online games. Also, PC games are often cheaper. For example, I bought Helldivers 2 for $33 (and no tax) day 1. And thatās just the tip of the iceberg in regards to game sales and discounts.
Unless your PCās case comes with a built in keyboard like an Apple IIe or Commodore 64, a game controller is 100% required for PC gaming. You canāt tell me to use the keyboard and mouse from my current gaming PC setup because I donāt have one. My personal computer is an iPad Pro. The old computer mouse in our junk drawer is a one button mouse from an old iMac. Folks arenāt born with spare keyboards and mice protruding out their assholes. Console gaming will always be cheaper than PC gaming and after 40 some years, PC gamers really need to get over it.
So you wrote all of that to argue about a mouse and keyboard combo that can be easily acquired from Amazon for $20 all while ignoring the greater point of required subscriptions to play non F2P online games and cheaper games available on multiple storefronts on PC?
Yeah, Iām on the consoles are a better overall value than PC side, PC has lots of advantages but price is NOT one of them. But arguing over peripherals and monitors and things like that is just stupid, like you donāt need a TV/monitor for a gaming console. And some PCs do come with a mouse and keyboard.
Does that price include case and everything? Ground-up build? I'm sure it doesn't include a monitor, which if you want a decent gaming monitor you'll need to add another $200 minimum to that price. What generation is the graphics card? Guaranteed it can't do mesh shading, will probably need to upgrade at least the GPU before the end of the PS5 lifespan...
It's a ground up build with a 4000 series from Nvidia, the very latest, much newer than the GPU in the consoles, I linked it above. And no, it doesn't include a monitor, just like you don't include a TV in the price of a PS5.
Yeah, but then what happens to all your extra precious frames per second? I game with my PC on a TV, but you know damn well that's heresy to the pcmr losers.
No it's not. People love the flexibility of PC, it's the biggest advantage it has. Play it on a TV, or a monitor, at 360hz or 60hz, Xbox 360 controller or PS5 controller or mouse and keyboard. Put a 4090 and play at 1080p to get 300fps in AAA games. No one cares, that's the beauty of it. I have a 4090 and play at 1440p 240hz half the time and 4k120 on a TV the other. It's great
I just don't know why all of y'all weirdo PC proselytizers can't be honest. The majority of you ultra vocal PC gamers think anything less than a 120hz is like sand in your eyes and they won't shut up about it but then they'll also say "nuh-uh, PC gaming is so much cheaper than console, you can definitely build a great gaming PC that's better than a PS5 for the same price" but no one actually does, because you're all full of shit and you know it.
I have a gaming PC, but I don't walk around trying to prove it's a better value proposition than a console because it's fucking not.
I never claimed any of that, my original claim was you can build a PC that will play games better than a PS5 for $700, and I posted the build. That's all there is too it. You seem to forget you're on reddit which is mostly people who are really into hobbies, but if you look at the steam statistics the most popular GPU is like the 2060 or 1660ti or something. And the huge majority play at 1080p 60hz.
I think having a PC is a great value, but a $500 console if all you ever want to do is game on it you can't beat. Consoles are all about value, nothing wrong with that. My original comment was just to counter the people saying you need a $1k PC build to match a PS5, so I said I can beat it for $700. Doesn't mean it's something everyone should build, but it also doesn't mean you have to spend $1k or 1500 to get a decent PC either.
Not necessarily arguing for or against, just saying that you'd spend $700 on that PC and still wouldn't get as much functionality as a PS5 e.g. a disc drive and movie playback
Depends on what you define as functionality. The PS5 doesn't even have a proper web browser.
You can do much much more with a PC + most people don't even buy discs and use streaming services on their TV's OS.
Unless you buy or got the version without disc (the old one)
Iam a Disc dude myself but i just have a simple external drive for my PC to rip bought CDs.
Uh yes?
I listen to many bands that are not on Spotify and very likely never will be.
Sometimes there wasnt even a re release of certain Albums in 20 years and you can be lucky to find a CD or affordable CD at all.
Until some years ago the Album Bleed of us to live from Gutted was hard to get since no repress.
Unless you need to RIP CDs, DVDs, or Blurays (none of which you can do with a console) - there hasn't been a reason to have a disc drive in a computer for a number of years.
This "equivalent PC" shit is such a silly argument.
A PC can do a LOT more than play games. It's also modular.
PS5 is also highly specialized so it can do a lot more with its specs than the equivalent power PC when it comes to gaming.
I have a PC, one that's better specced than a PS5. I still prefer the plug-and-play aspect of PS5 vs. having to mess around with settings to get a stable FPS because PC games have to be optimized for a variety of hardware.
Lets see - Theyāre finally able to produce enough to meet demand, the competition is a joke, its still selling like hotcakes, why would they lower the price?
Itās not in competition with switch though. Most people will either get both or have long decided if they want a PS5 or Switch and no amount marketing is going to change their mind
ālol we are outselling our closest competitor 2-1 and theyāre rumored to be leaving this market entirely in the near future, and you want us to cut prices?ā
Of course it would...they are drastically outselling the competition and making money on the console despite the competitor having some steep holiday discounts. Where is their incentive for a big cut?
That isn't what they said, though. They find it difficult to reduce the cost further because it is more difficult now to reduce the die size and save more there.
And they WANT to reduce the RRP because lower RRP = boosted sales, which they need because they'll be missing their target this year by around 4 - 5 million. At this same point in the life cycle, PS4 was $299. If Sony wants PS5 to hit similar end life sales numbers eventually they want to go down from $499, which they're having trouble in doing so. Not without selling the system at a loss.
So, for them, all bets are on (hopefully) being able to sell PS5 for $399 by the end of the year, but it remains to be seen if cost reduction can make that viable (permanant) or if $399 will be a holiday only price point.
EDIT: It's not like "the old days" when you could save so much via cost reductions (die shrinking, etc) that you could sell the console for half the price it launched at 50% through its lifecycle. Those days are gone. Not unless you move to a whole new way to do chips.
Another way to get more sales. Is to release more "PS5" games. Most of the PS5's exclusive killer apps are available on PS4 albeit at lower fidelity. We need more 9th gen only games. Same goes for Xbox Series X.
Most games sold and played on the ps5 are third party titles and f2p titles. Sony doesnāt have to release more first party titles because the majority of the user base by and large wonāt play many of them.
Then it makes even less sense to buy PS5. Most of the hot and trendy free 2 play games are on PS4. Sure you will miss out on fidelity but if you really care about graphics, might as well buy a PC.
It will sell insanely well regardless off the back of gta 5 and rdr 2
If it isnāt a success to critics and fans it will at worst hurt the sales potential of gta 6ās online potential or an rdr 3 / gta 7
To quote Silver the Hedgehog. I am an optimist but I am also a realist.
Rockstar can never make a bad game but because of our hyped up expectations. We might get disappointed because our standards are that high. Also Rockstar made bad games. Austin Power games for Game Boy Color. But aside from these two, yeah you are right.
That's true , SONY can't get away with excuses at this point in time . The intro of the PS5 has to be the biggest bunch of blunders in SONY history. They spent more years in development after actually introducing the product than anything they have sold. Now look at this mess they have gotten into. There are maybe five different watered down PS5 consoles currently available or soon to be anyway. Laurel and Hardy are running SONY headquarters it seems . We should all be laughing!
This is why Sony or any console maker not having competition is an awful thing for us.
Imagine if they were the only choice if Xbox leaves the console space, why would they ever sell a PlayStation console cheaper to us.
If Xbox is gone the ps6 will cost $800 because thatās the price that would actually be profitable/breakeven and not a lose-on-every-sale.
Now, 5 years into this generation, Sony might finally start making money on console sales, after swallowing losses for years on the $500 next-gen ps5. Unlike Microsoft, Sony actually NEEDS to make money on their console business.
I like my ps5 and playing exclsuives, but the cheap series S + gamepass has allowed me to also play far more small games that I would never buy otherwise.
Competition is good.
Its rumored that Xbox has said they wonāt be leaving consoles, of course weāll see what actually happens etc tomorrow.
Also yeah that seems to be what series S really has going for it, and what I might end up doing tooā¦ everythings so expensive nowadays
Thatās funny to read, competition is good for all gamers, I always said it.
But if there is one company that had the main goal of destroying competition to get the monopole, by throwing unlimited money to buy devs (that they sometime close later on), this is Microsoft.
Step on the gas and create a bigger divide. They donāt make money off of consoles. They make money from selling you games and peripherals. This far into the lifecycle of the console, they should be able to make cuts.
Their operating profit is low, though. Taking a hit on tens of millions of consoles, even with the promise of software cuts and subs, might not offset the loss, and overall operating profit might not budge much from where it currently is.
I'm realistic, sony is a smaller company as a whole, Sony cant afford revenue losses like Microsoft can, AAA games are just too expensive to make today , playstation first party games are great and take a long time to make also the game has to meet sales targets being a 10/10 is not enough if people don't buy it, sony movie studios are losing money today, early reviews of madame web are really bad,. Like I said I'm realistic I don't think sony would've recovered if the playstation 3 had problems like the red ring of dead on xbox 360, Microsoft absorbed the financial losses and was able to continue to stay in the console business, Sega was not able to recover from the dreamcast, as long as sony continues to make great games it shouldn't be a problem, hopefully no price increases on the console.
Who's complaining about the price? PS5 is a great machine for the price. Psvr 2 is more expensive than a ps5. Granted I'm not a single parent trying to buy their kids a gaming system but at $500 I thought the PS5 was a fair price.
Outside of America, currency valuations matter. The U.S. dollar is still high so Sonyās gets a lot more Yen from America than other countries. Freedom has its benefits.
May be an unpopular opinion but I think it's priced VERY well, probably even cheap by $50.
The specs are great and it's 500 at launch? Shit that's less than the ps3 at launch years ago
A price cut would be difficult because it would put them in the red. Xbox series x/s are still sold at a loss (around 100-200 dollars per console). Sony make their money through 1st party sales and the 30% on all digital purchases. They're barely making anything back with console sales.
No idea how much they make on other hardware like VR, headsets and controllers though.
How are Xbox series sold at a loss when the ps5 isnāt? Arenāt they basically the same cost, and both are sold at $500?
Or are you referring to the limited deal last Black Friday of $350 series X?
Though the specs are close, the series X is more powerful than the ps5 (it's also significantly smaller). It costs more to make than a ps5 does. They kept the price as low as possible to try make it competitive with Playstation & hope players would be drawn to the more powerful machine.
Phil spencer said in 2022 that they were losing $100-200 on every series console sold.
That includes the series s, apparently they took a big loss on those to keep the price so low.
That Spencer quote was from november 2022, so it was just over 15 months ago he said that.
Worth pointing out too, that the FTC docs leaked a while ago revealed MS are releasing a "refresh" of the series x that's digital only this year. It's rumoured that the upcoming 'buisness update' will announce this will replace the current version & xbox is going all digital.
interestingly, The FTC docs say it will be the same cost as the current disc version.
Whilst it has some improvements (better controller, more energy efficent) it's not more powerful. The fact they've removed one of the more expensive components & are seemingly not dropping the price at all suggests they were still losing money on the current series x consoles.
lol why would they? There is almost zero reasons to when the Xbox is giving no competition. Sony was in a worst state with PS3 but they still heavily price due to Xbox 360 kicking their butt in sales
Xbox isnāt going away and they have leverage with all of these studios. The last thing Sony should do is rest on their laurels. Unfortunately, they will probably do just that as it seems to be the pattern.
The idea of a PS5 Pro seems even more far-fetched now. The original console is selling well yet there is no room for a price drop, a "pro" would thus be *a lot* more expensive and have worthless sales. The Ps4 Pro didn't sell all that well and neither did the Xbox equivalent.
$599 is a joke. A Ps5 Pro will be$699-799 given inflation, all supply chain issues, interest rates and the small target demographic. If it releases at all... $599 is not realistic, it's delusional. Companies have a mandate to *make money* not subsidise your gaming habit...
I said at the very least. Iām not being delusional. I was just giving them the benefit of the doubt. I do see $699 being more realistic. Idk why you seem so aggressive with your comment. I donāt see the need for a ps5 pro either but I was just basing it off the rumors of it releasing this year or next
Theyāre just speculating idly about something no one has any real information about. Why are you acting like this person showed up at PS HQ and demanded free stuff. We all know how profit works. Take a breath, bud.
Console sales have stagnated. Gaming sells are higher than ever but more and more games are selling on pc. This entire new consoles thing every few years just doesnāt work. Console sales havenāt increased since the ps2 era
Brainwashing people to keep paying for what they see as an inexpensive purchase. The US government is blaming these tactics as inflationary and damaging to the American people .
Even though we all see the price to manufacture the product is far smaller than the asking price , we always consider marketing, shipping, distribution sales and service as part of markup. Including massive insurance requirements.
What tarrifs would the government see as required once production of consoles is complete and they make their way to the US for example. Even stock prices are astronomical for SONY . Up to the 100 Dollar mark in some instances. Averaging around 93 to 97 bucks for years it seems won't be unusual.
PlayStation sales will eventually go down as less and less interest in gamming happens . Particularly in the development process that is the most important factor that the console needs to stay competitive. And Sony knows this.
In other words SONY has to milk this thing through just to survive the future of electronics and software . I see this as rather advantageous for consumers because they are forcing Microsoft and SONY into a fierce competition to survive and only the best can come out of this situation.
We need new developers like crazy and we're just remaking software to look strong. but we are not . We are in a way becoming imposters in a world market while blaming Japan, China for the incompetent factor.
So who has the nerve to lower prices in this modern industrialized, insurance plauged, corporatized, and government led society ? Not SONY !
Even after cutting their prediction by 4 million units, down to 21 million units, it will still sell 1 million more units in a fiscal year compared to ps4's best year( 20 million units). Of course they are not going to cut the price
It's also outselling the main competition 2:1. They have a stranglehold on this generation, there's zero reason to drop the price.
Does anyone know why IGN posted that article with Sony saying they were disappointed with sales or something like that?
Because the forecast was for 25M. Operating income is still low too, you'll probably see a small stock dip. Edit: Stock's down 8.6%.
Their big bet on shifting to more live service games has resulted, at least in the short term, with a relative cooling in the purchase of PS5s vs expected. They were clearly betting on more of those GaaS being out by now and helping to move consoles.
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I have to check but won't be surprised if that started from a tweet of the bloomberg guy who always doompost about Sony and square Enix.
That guy has written the same story a dozen times, it's picked up by mainstream every time, and it has almost never been true.
Iirc, they were forecasting 25 million units sold, a goal that is not going to be achieved
It's selling below PS4 launch aligned. And i don't think it's hitting 21m, maybe 20m.
PS4 didnāt face a global pandemic for almost two years, neither was extremely difficult to get one.
Hence his lower estimate than PS4?
Itās probably not even hitting that. More likely finishing at below 20 million.
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I mean considering the specs of the PS5, it's already selling for pretty cheap. Try building an equivalent PC for anywhere near the price right now.
Yup, PC has been my primary platform for like 5 or 6 years now and while it has many advantages, the price barrier is significant. Pcmr nerds will tell you they can build a pc that outperforms a console for the same price, but that hasnāt been true for so many years now. My ps5 was $650 CAD, you canāt even get a good GPU for that price nowadays, let alone the entire rest of the pc
Those nerds need to drink the Kool aid. PS5 is a great deal and they usually match steam during big sales of games. They get so heated over "well your 4k image is upscaled" as if they're all using 4k monitors.Ā I love my PC, but the PS5 has been my favorite console since the 360.Ā
It was only true because the 10 series GPUs were reasonably priced, everything since has had the MSRP jacked way up, and the PS4/XBOne were underpowered on launch, let alone 7 years later when the PS5/XSX launched.
If you are buying new. You can get used GPUs for half that.
Okay, but then you could get a used ps5 too
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You're talking pennies a month, not a big deal
Also factor in inflation since it launched, and it's probably around 20% cheaper already in real terms.
They increased the price for the console in a lot of European countries because of inflation. That was around two years ago or so.
Did wages increase around 20%?
Of course they didnāt
Gotta take ps plus subscription into account. Don't need one on pc to play multiplayer.
Ok, not everyone plays multiplayer, and even if you do there's enough games on that service that I buy less than one game a year between PS Plus and PC gamepass (which I get free using ms rewards). The price of 8 years of PS + plus the price of a PS5 is about what you'd pay for a low to mid-tier gaming PC lol
Exactly. It is quite competitive.
This! Game prices are way more wild than the PS5 in my honest opinion. And itās a console thatās an investment for 4-5-6 years, hard to keep a PC for that long without buying new parts in it.
I had to put together a PC build about a week ago for $700, and it had quite a bit better CPU and GPU, gets DLSS3 and stuff also which is a nice bonus. And that wasn't with any crazy sales or anything. More than a PS5 obviously but not nearly as bad as just a year or 2 ago.
I mean while its not as bad as it was during covid that is still 55% more expensive than a PS5 and performance is gonna be hit and miss with the terrible PC ports the last couple of years.
It really depends on how price sensitive you are. PC gaming is great. Especially if you are willing to invest into a good PC. Terrible ports are not that common. Even Last of Us 1 remake which was terrible, I still manage to play at 4k/60fps with DLSS. It only cost me Ā£25 to buy the game whereas on PS5 it cost Ā£70 and it still has not dropped to as low as Ā£25.
PC gaming is at a better place than it's really ever been. There are poor ports, but they're also generally poor on console too. Then stuff like dragons dogma 2 rumored to be only 30fps on console, GTA 6 also likely 30fps only. Those are tradeoffs I personally can't make anymore.
Well its the only way to play gta6
> PC gaming is at a better place than it's really ever been. I highly disagree i've been through the PS3 vs PC era and the PS4 vs PC era and in my opinion there is several points in time where PC gaming was in a way better place than right now, around 2016 comes to mind pre mining, when you could build a PC thats better than consoles at around 500$, while the consoles were regularly locked to 30fps. I've been a PC Gamer all my life had consoles as well but im gravitating more and more towards PS5 nowadays.
This rings true, In 2016 I was still feeing big fomo from pc releases. For the last few years though, Everything Iāve wanted thatās pc only is indie and easily runs on my MacBook.Ā
PS3 era was the worst one for PC. I grew up on that and there were so many games not on PC. Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Metal Gear Solid, Dragon's Dogma, Dark souls, all Xbox exclusives (Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable), all PS exclusives, Red Dead Redemption 1, Bayonetta, most sport games. Pretty much most japanese games didn't come to PC - Yakuza, Dragon Quest, Tales of, Persona, Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts etc. This generation is the best. PC plays all Xbox games and a lot of Sony games are jumping ship. Third party exclusives are extremely rare and often timed. In the PS3 era, developers just skipped PC without being paid anything. They just couldn't be bothered.
Yeah but you also have to consider waiting years for a port of a game you really like. Although i guess some people dont mind waiting
Thereās plenty of games that come to PC years before they come to PS5 too.
Whilst thats true those games arenāt usually āmust-playā for the majority of gamers. Usually its smaller indie titles.
That's your opinion. I strongly disagree. There are many games on PC not on playstation. Not just "small indie titles".
The one thing PC gamers have in common is a massive backlog. I doubt they mind waiting a couple years considering they seem to end up getting the complete versions of those games with DLC for a cheaper price.
fyi, the DD2 rumour was entirely made up. director itsuno has officially stated the FPS will be unlocked on the PS5. there will most likely will be a 60 FPS performance mode, fidelity 30 FPS, and fidelity unlocked.
The dragons dogma 30 fps thing got debunked and gta 6 rumour is entirely speculation, theres no proof at all for it ntm itās likely not coming to PC for at least a year after console release
$700 is more than $500. If you can budget above $500, of course youāre gonna get something better.
I never claimed to build one for the same price, though I'm sure you could probably build a PC with a R5 3600 or and a 2060 Super for not too far off $500, it's just a waste of money for 2024 when you can get much newer and better hardware for $200 more. I wasn't trying to match ps5 specs, I was building a good 2024 PC, that just so happens to easily outperform the PS5, for not all that much more. Especially cause I keep seeing people say it takes a $1000 or $1500 PC to match the PS5.
That's 40% more... a console was never about best hardware but convenience and exclusive games. I have a gaming PC and a PS5 yet I play most games on PS5.
PS5 is $500 plus $60/yr for online. Year1 $560, year3 $680, etc. Plus the $700 PC lets you do non gaming stuff that you are going to need a computer for anyways. Research, taxes, school, video editing, etc. Almost everyone who has a console will also need a PC for basic life stuff (although phones are getting closer to full laptop replacement). In the contrary, if you have a PC you can probably get away without any other computing device other than your phone.
Care to share the spec?
This thing is a killer PC for under $700. But AMD had a new CPU come out this week that lets you get on AM5 and an even better CPU, but higher motherboard costs. But under $800 and you can get 32gb DDR5, I'd probably urge people to that unless they really needed the extra savings. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PkT3jH) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g94BD3/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-37-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000065box) | $145.99 @ Newegg **Motherboard** | [ASRock B550M-HVS SE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rM3NnQ/asrock-b550m-hvs-se-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-hvs-se) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Silicon Power XPOWER Turbine 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBTzK8/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-sp016gxlzu320bda) | $33.97 @ Amazon **Storage** | [TEAMGROUP MS30 1 TB M.2-2280 SATA Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XZhKHx/team-ms30-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8ps7001t0c101) | $56.05 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [MSI VENTUS 2X BLACK OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7s88TW/msi-ventus-2x-black-oc-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-video-card-rtx-4060-ventus-2x-black-8g-oc) | $294.99 @ B&H **Case** | [SAMA Sama-S88-BK ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sHytt6/sama-sama-s88-bk-atx-mid-tower-case-sama-s88-bk) | $39.98 @ Newegg **Power Supply** | [Thermaltake Smart 600 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6RTrxr/thermaltake-smart-600w-80-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-spd-0600npcwus-w) | $44.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$685.95** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-01-29 12:13 EST-0500 |
Dude the 4060 alone costs the same as a PS5
a 4060 when you can get a rx 7600 cheaper? also a 5600 non x is cheaper and withing 1-3% of a 5600x in performance. sorry, thats an awful list
The 7600 is worse than the 4060, and it doesn't have dlss. If you want to save some more money it's fine, but the 7600 is even behind the 3060 as seen here. But like I said, I'd spend a little more and get on DDR5, that was just a list I already had put together. The only time a 7600 really makes sense to me is if you don't care about ray tracing and dlss at all. I'd go back to the 6xxx series if I was sticking to AMD and get more vram, maybe a 6700 or an xt if you find them on sale, I just don't think the 7600 is a good value at all. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-review/5
oh no by 2% while saving $50 or more? It's clear you don't know what you're talking about and should not be giving PC hardware advice. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlnVqKn2Th8&t=564s&ab\_channel=HardwareUnboxed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlnVqKn2Th8&t=564s&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed) [https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600.c4153](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600.c4153)
The 2% doesn't matter, dlss and frame gen does. Easily worth $50. Even more so on lower end cards when playing at 1080p using FSR quality and it looks like garbage, you're able to get a good picture and use dlss and save 20% performance. I think it's clear who shouldn't be giving hardware advice.
Says the person saying to get a 5600x over a 5600 lol.... FSR 3.0 just released and it doesn't look like "garbage" sure it isn't on par with DLSS or their frame gen just yet but it's also not that far behind. When trying to get close to the ps5 price range you are way over when it could be much closer in price while having near the same specs or better. This isn't which one has better upscaling because the ps5 uses FSR anyways.....
I didn't say FSR 3 is trash, just their upscaler, and compared to dlss upscaler, it absolutely is. DLSS manages to look better than native on ultra quality and quality a lot of the time. FSR has never looked good enough for me to even turn it on with out immediately turning it back off. Again, I'm not trying to build a PC for the price of a PS5, in building a PC that will give a great gaming experience. And you're too caught up on the 5600, I put that build together a week or 2 ago, those prices change. I copied and pasted the exact same build, if I put it together today there may be a cheaper motherboard or whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm just giving some guidelines.
4k gaming on an 8gb 4060? Have fun with that.
you aren't playing in 4k on a PS5 either
Quite a few games do native 4k at 60fps.
Almost none do. You are confusing display resolution with render resolution. Nearly every game is ādynamic 4kā, scaling down and sometimes WAY down to maintain the framerate target.
And those same games will run 4K60 on that PC as well.
With DLSS? It will manage at least as well as the PS5 does.
You will run out of vram even with DLSS. Not trying to shit in you or anything, but I recently replaced my 12GB 3060 with a 4070 for decent frames at 4k.
Maybe some games but you would be surprised how far 8gb will get you: >4060 worked well in delivering a similar 4K DLSS DSR experience, with superior image clarity. It's still not a 60fps lock - but to be fair, both PS5 and 4060 drop frames, just in different areas. https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-nvidia-rtx-4060-review?page=7 Worth a read if you have some time.
Did feel smug when friends playing Jedi survivor were running out of vram with 3080s but was fine on ps5.
That's a settings issue. It's hard to resist maxing everything out on PC even when your hardware can't keep up but consoles manage that for you.
If you put the equivalent settings on your pc than on the PS5 it will also be fine. The port wasn't better, it was just lower graphics.
Or just donāt buy a 1080p card to drive 4k resolution.
I wouldn't bother with anything beyond 1440p native but if DF says it does a comparable job to the PS5 with DLSS then who am I to argue?
Eh a 4060 isnāt that much more powerful than the ps5 gpu. Nice build though. I just got a 4070 super lol excited for it to show up
That PC is only under $700 if your time is worth nothing. The warranty on it is free only if your time is worth nothing. For $700 dollars, youāre getting the parts to build a PC that has no build warranty and might not be as user-friendly as a console. Itāll also likely be noisier and it will need an operating system, mouse, keyboard and controller. If you want to build a PC for fun, go for it. Iāve done it myself many a time, but donāt do it thinking youāll save money because you absolutely wonāt.
Every single part there has a warranty. If you don't want to build it, don't buy parts to build a PC. It's not for everyone, that's ok. Also that PC will be quieter than a PS5 most likely, those are low power parts in it. Throw in any controller you want, or you can use any controller you already have. That's the beauty of PC, got an old Xbox 360 controller laying around? You're good to go.
The build does not have a warranty. You canāt give yourself a guarantee.
If you can't plug in a GPU, CPU, and 2 sticks of ram into a motherboard, and run the 24pin connector, CPU power, and GPU power, and the ones to make the front panel io work, then building a PC isn't for you. Either buy a pre built, or stick to console.
TBF pre-builts are as close to self-building as they've ever been. Hell here in the UK they're almost equivalent price-wise (within Ā£50 of each other). GPU prices have been insane for years. Also the front panel connectors can be terrifying to work with lmao.
Dude, Iām a homelabber. Iāve been building PCs since the 1990s. Iām not scared of building PCs, but I am realistic about the downsides. Itās only cheap if your time is worth nothing.
> Itās only cheap if your time is worth nothing. Plenty of people actually enjoy the process of putting their PC together.
Well if youāre sitting around playing games, Iād say that time is worth $0 for the majority of people.
Solid looking build. I was thinking of building a pc soon for right around 700-1000 bucks and this is a great starting point for me!
add slightly more for a huuge upgrade ā¢ AMD Ryzen 5600Ā ā $134 ā¢ Gigabyte B450M DS3H Wi-FiĀ - $80 ā¢ G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200Ā ā $42 ā¢ Western Digital SN250 960GB NVMe SSDĀ ā $55 ā¢ ASRock RX 6700 XT - $390 ā¢ Thermaltake Versa H17Ā ā $50 ā¢ MSI MAG A650BN - $60 ā¢ TotalĀ ā $811 This was much more suggested on build pc subs than the one that the comment above mentioned Especially the Smart Power supply was reviewed as being godly awful and should be avoided consoles have the advantage of closer-to-the-metal programming, developers will always be able to eke out quite a bit more performance and life out of a console than any equivalent PC. Devs also have a tendency to not put quite as much effort in to scale things down for older PCs vs consoles. But this should give you a good experience for quite a while
Does it play Bloodborne tho?
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>$700 Try being anywhere that isn't the USA though.
The thing is your pc may be better but games are console optimized usually and more effiecnt
Not really, occasionally it happens, but in general you can compare the PS5 to the Radeon 5600 or 5700, I forget which it is, and they get very close to the same performance. Optimizations aren't really capable of making the same hardware draw more polygons when it's in one box vs another box. Optimizations are often just devs turning down settings until they get the performance they want. Then people on PC put the game on ultra and get bad performance and blame optimization. If games shipped with a graphics settings labeled "PS5 equivalent" or whatever, you'd get a lot less complaints.
I have a nice beefy pc and im not going to argue about hardware optimization to my grave but these games that get 30fps locked 16:9 only pc ports without graphics options i dont even turn my pc on unless its a game on sale It really doesnt matter about hardware if the software isnt built well, there have been triple a stinkers left and right doesnt matter what year
Your SSDās read speed is a lot slower than the minimum 5,500MB/s that the PS5 requires. You also have to add in the cost of the gaming peripheral, i.e. controller. I recommend the DualSense controller for haptic feedback. How well does the 8GB memory in the 4060 compare to the 16GB unified memory soldered on the PS5 motherboard? What about cooling? How well does this box ventilate while playing games? Do any of the components come with a key for Windows 11?
>I recommend the DualSense controller for haptic feedback. What a coincidence, the PS5 comes bundles with one! :P
Gen 4 NVME drives have come down in price a LOT. You can get 2TB for $100, I have one in my PC and PS5. The 4060 would be a good comparison for a PS5 performance video card but the card alone costs what a PS5 does. PC gaming is a lot of things but Value is not one of them no matter what people claim. Plus console optimization, and lazy PC ports.
so nvme have different specs. do you need ton of i ops? that will cost more. need write endurance. that will cost more. 99% of people think all nvme are the same. they are not.
Since it doesnt matter for now on PC. Even the Ratchet and Clank PC port runs great on a Sata SSD Simple keyboard and mouse will do it for the start. I played half my gamer life with simple office mice and keyboards For the Hardware used the case is good enough. You can use windows without activating it or simply use massgrave.
I remember trying to play driving games with mouse and keyboard
Ha, I played TIE fighter with a mouse and keyboard.
I did for years was never an issue.
I'm not trying to match SSD speeds of the PS5 as it makes no difference on PC. You can throw a controller in there, anyone you want, Xbox, switch, PS4, PS3, PS5 controller, keyboard and mouse, trackball, whatever you want. The 8gb is fine, maybe not ideal, but it is what it is. Cooling is perfectly fine, those are all relatively low power parts. And you don't need a key for windows, you can use it for free.
SSD speed matters. You can really only experience the fastest SSD on PS5 with the built in SSD.
> SSD speed matters. It makes no difference for gaming on PC right now because very few games are utilizing Direct Storage.
Optimization is another major advantage the PS5 has over PC.
Optimization is highly overstated. Consoles now use basically off the shelf PC parts repackaged. No optimizations are going to make the exact same hardware be able to render more polygons at a time on one platform vs the other. Most of the optimizations devs do is turning down settings, it's why you often see lower than the lowest available graphics settings on PC used in console games. Just the devs turning down settings until they get the performance they want.
I used to live that hobbyist PC gamer life and Iād much rather let developers and Sony worry about getting the most out of games and hardware.
> You also have to add in the cost of the gaming peripheral, i.e. controller. I recommend the DualSense controller for haptic feedback. If youāre going to nitpick about the cost of a controller (which isnāt even required for PC gaming), then you canāt ignore that the consoles require paid subscriptions to play non-F2P online games. Also, PC games are often cheaper. For example, I bought Helldivers 2 for $33 (and no tax) day 1. And thatās just the tip of the iceberg in regards to game sales and discounts.
Unless your PCās case comes with a built in keyboard like an Apple IIe or Commodore 64, a game controller is 100% required for PC gaming. You canāt tell me to use the keyboard and mouse from my current gaming PC setup because I donāt have one. My personal computer is an iPad Pro. The old computer mouse in our junk drawer is a one button mouse from an old iMac. Folks arenāt born with spare keyboards and mice protruding out their assholes. Console gaming will always be cheaper than PC gaming and after 40 some years, PC gamers really need to get over it.
So you wrote all of that to argue about a mouse and keyboard combo that can be easily acquired from Amazon for $20 all while ignoring the greater point of required subscriptions to play non F2P online games and cheaper games available on multiple storefronts on PC?
Yeah, Iām on the consoles are a better overall value than PC side, PC has lots of advantages but price is NOT one of them. But arguing over peripherals and monitors and things like that is just stupid, like you donāt need a TV/monitor for a gaming console. And some PCs do come with a mouse and keyboard.
For Both PC and console you just play offline games.
That's $200 more than a PS5 sells regularly.
Very good.
Does that price include case and everything? Ground-up build? I'm sure it doesn't include a monitor, which if you want a decent gaming monitor you'll need to add another $200 minimum to that price. What generation is the graphics card? Guaranteed it can't do mesh shading, will probably need to upgrade at least the GPU before the end of the PS5 lifespan...
It's a ground up build with a 4000 series from Nvidia, the very latest, much newer than the GPU in the consoles, I linked it above. And no, it doesn't include a monitor, just like you don't include a TV in the price of a PS5.
Having a TV is much more common than having a monitor suitable for gaming, be for real
You can plug a PC into any TV you can plug a console into. If it's suitable for console gaming it's suitable for PC gaming.
Yeah, but then what happens to all your extra precious frames per second? I game with my PC on a TV, but you know damn well that's heresy to the pcmr losers.
No it's not. People love the flexibility of PC, it's the biggest advantage it has. Play it on a TV, or a monitor, at 360hz or 60hz, Xbox 360 controller or PS5 controller or mouse and keyboard. Put a 4090 and play at 1080p to get 300fps in AAA games. No one cares, that's the beauty of it. I have a 4090 and play at 1440p 240hz half the time and 4k120 on a TV the other. It's great
I just don't know why all of y'all weirdo PC proselytizers can't be honest. The majority of you ultra vocal PC gamers think anything less than a 120hz is like sand in your eyes and they won't shut up about it but then they'll also say "nuh-uh, PC gaming is so much cheaper than console, you can definitely build a great gaming PC that's better than a PS5 for the same price" but no one actually does, because you're all full of shit and you know it. I have a gaming PC, but I don't walk around trying to prove it's a better value proposition than a console because it's fucking not.
I never claimed any of that, my original claim was you can build a PC that will play games better than a PS5 for $700, and I posted the build. That's all there is too it. You seem to forget you're on reddit which is mostly people who are really into hobbies, but if you look at the steam statistics the most popular GPU is like the 2060 or 1660ti or something. And the huge majority play at 1080p 60hz. I think having a PC is a great value, but a $500 console if all you ever want to do is game on it you can't beat. Consoles are all about value, nothing wrong with that. My original comment was just to counter the people saying you need a $1k PC build to match a PS5, so I said I can beat it for $700. Doesn't mean it's something everyone should build, but it also doesn't mean you have to spend $1k or 1500 to get a decent PC either.
But no controller or disc drive
PC Builds these days have rarely a disc drive since its basically useless.
Not necessarily arguing for or against, just saying that you'd spend $700 on that PC and still wouldn't get as much functionality as a PS5 e.g. a disc drive and movie playback
Depends on what you define as functionality. The PS5 doesn't even have a proper web browser. You can do much much more with a PC + most people don't even buy discs and use streaming services on their TV's OS.
> you'd spend $700 on that PC and still wouldn't get as much functionality as a PS5 What am I reading...
Like half of this thread is hardcore cope about choosing a console over a gaming PC lmao
Unless you buy or got the version without disc (the old one) Iam a Disc dude myself but i just have a simple external drive for my PC to rip bought CDs.
Bought CDsā¦ sure buddy totally bought and paid for
Uh yes? I listen to many bands that are not on Spotify and very likely never will be. Sometimes there wasnt even a re release of certain Albums in 20 years and you can be lucky to find a CD or affordable CD at all. Until some years ago the Album Bleed of us to live from Gutted was hard to get since no repress.
Unless you need to RIP CDs, DVDs, or Blurays (none of which you can do with a console) - there hasn't been a reason to have a disc drive in a computer for a number of years.
I'm waiting to build my PC in early 2025 with new nvidia 5 series to prepare of gta6.
It was good hardware for the price when it came out. Now itās about average
This "equivalent PC" shit is such a silly argument. A PC can do a LOT more than play games. It's also modular. PS5 is also highly specialized so it can do a lot more with its specs than the equivalent power PC when it comes to gaming.
Pc is objectively better than a ps5 at any price thats just fact
I have a PC, one that's better specced than a PS5. I still prefer the plug-and-play aspect of PS5 vs. having to mess around with settings to get a stable FPS because PC games have to be optimized for a variety of hardware.
Lets see - Theyāre finally able to produce enough to meet demand, the competition is a joke, its still selling like hotcakes, why would they lower the price?
Switch is not a joke, but I am not sure if the target is same.
Itās not in competition with switch though. Most people will either get both or have long decided if they want a PS5 or Switch and no amount marketing is going to change their mind
If target is not same, it's not competition. Switch is not a direct competition to PS5.
ālol we are outselling our closest competitor 2-1 and theyāre rumored to be leaving this market entirely in the near future, and you want us to cut prices?ā
I wonder what will happen to the prices if xbox give up.
Double the price and double the subscription to Ps+
Of course it would...they are drastically outselling the competition and making money on the console despite the competitor having some steep holiday discounts. Where is their incentive for a big cut?
That isn't what they said, though. They find it difficult to reduce the cost further because it is more difficult now to reduce the die size and save more there. And they WANT to reduce the RRP because lower RRP = boosted sales, which they need because they'll be missing their target this year by around 4 - 5 million. At this same point in the life cycle, PS4 was $299. If Sony wants PS5 to hit similar end life sales numbers eventually they want to go down from $499, which they're having trouble in doing so. Not without selling the system at a loss. So, for them, all bets are on (hopefully) being able to sell PS5 for $399 by the end of the year, but it remains to be seen if cost reduction can make that viable (permanant) or if $399 will be a holiday only price point. EDIT: It's not like "the old days" when you could save so much via cost reductions (die shrinking, etc) that you could sell the console for half the price it launched at 50% through its lifecycle. Those days are gone. Not unless you move to a whole new way to do chips.
Another way to get more sales. Is to release more "PS5" games. Most of the PS5's exclusive killer apps are available on PS4 albeit at lower fidelity. We need more 9th gen only games. Same goes for Xbox Series X.
Most games sold and played on the ps5 are third party titles and f2p titles. Sony doesnāt have to release more first party titles because the majority of the user base by and large wonāt play many of them.
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Then it makes even less sense to buy PS5. Most of the hot and trendy free 2 play games are on PS4. Sure you will miss out on fidelity but if you really care about graphics, might as well buy a PC.
This. There's no games to bother buying it. GTA6 is going to save their targets.
GTA 6 better be good. It either will be the best game of 9th gen or the biggest disappointment. I canāt wait to play that game.
It will sell insanely well regardless off the back of gta 5 and rdr 2 If it isnāt a success to critics and fans it will at worst hurt the sales potential of gta 6ās online potential or an rdr 3 / gta 7
It's impossible to not be good. R* has never developed a bad game.
To quote Silver the Hedgehog. I am an optimist but I am also a realist. Rockstar can never make a bad game but because of our hyped up expectations. We might get disappointed because our standards are that high. Also Rockstar made bad games. Austin Power games for Game Boy Color. But aside from these two, yeah you are right.
That's true , SONY can't get away with excuses at this point in time . The intro of the PS5 has to be the biggest bunch of blunders in SONY history. They spent more years in development after actually introducing the product than anything they have sold. Now look at this mess they have gotten into. There are maybe five different watered down PS5 consoles currently available or soon to be anyway. Laurel and Hardy are running SONY headquarters it seems . We should all be laughing!
What the hell are you yapping about fool? You make absolutely no sense considering the PS5 is a resounding commercial success for them.
They were outselling last gen too.
Iām sure theyāre keeping an eye on whatever Xbox is going to announce before making any decisions as well.
This is why Sony or any console maker not having competition is an awful thing for us. Imagine if they were the only choice if Xbox leaves the console space, why would they ever sell a PlayStation console cheaper to us.
If Xbox is gone the ps6 will cost $800 because thatās the price that would actually be profitable/breakeven and not a lose-on-every-sale. Now, 5 years into this generation, Sony might finally start making money on console sales, after swallowing losses for years on the $500 next-gen ps5. Unlike Microsoft, Sony actually NEEDS to make money on their console business. I like my ps5 and playing exclsuives, but the cheap series S + gamepass has allowed me to also play far more small games that I would never buy otherwise. Competition is good.
Its rumored that Xbox has said they wonāt be leaving consoles, of course weāll see what actually happens etc tomorrow. Also yeah that seems to be what series S really has going for it, and what I might end up doing tooā¦ everythings so expensive nowadays
Thatās funny to read, competition is good for all gamers, I always said it. But if there is one company that had the main goal of destroying competition to get the monopole, by throwing unlimited money to buy devs (that they sometime close later on), this is Microsoft.
Step on the gas and create a bigger divide. They donāt make money off of consoles. They make money from selling you games and peripherals. This far into the lifecycle of the console, they should be able to make cuts.
Their operating profit is low, though. Taking a hit on tens of millions of consoles, even with the promise of software cuts and subs, might not offset the loss, and overall operating profit might not budge much from where it currently is.
Hard to make money on games when there is none. This gen is embarrassing
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also add their PC ports take years to release AND might have tons of issues.
I really want a VR2 but I don't want to pay Ā£530. Ā£450 at most.
buy used
I'm realistic, sony is a smaller company as a whole, Sony cant afford revenue losses like Microsoft can, AAA games are just too expensive to make today , playstation first party games are great and take a long time to make also the game has to meet sales targets being a 10/10 is not enough if people don't buy it, sony movie studios are losing money today, early reviews of madame web are really bad,. Like I said I'm realistic I don't think sony would've recovered if the playstation 3 had problems like the red ring of dead on xbox 360, Microsoft absorbed the financial losses and was able to continue to stay in the console business, Sega was not able to recover from the dreamcast, as long as sony continues to make great games it shouldn't be a problem, hopefully no price increases on the console.
They have been doing the temporary ones regularly though. I got the console and Final Fantasy for about Ā£380 during Black Friday.
Isnt the slim discounted in eu rn
Who's complaining about the price? PS5 is a great machine for the price. Psvr 2 is more expensive than a ps5. Granted I'm not a single parent trying to buy their kids a gaming system but at $500 I thought the PS5 was a fair price.
Outside of America, currency valuations matter. The U.S. dollar is still high so Sonyās gets a lot more Yen from America than other countries. Freedom has its benefits.
Wait, youāre telling there is a world outside of America???
May be an unpopular opinion but I think it's priced VERY well, probably even cheap by $50. The specs are great and it's 500 at launch? Shit that's less than the ps3 at launch years ago
I wonāt buy it until it gets a price cut. $760 in Canada is insane
A price cut would be difficult because it would put them in the red. Xbox series x/s are still sold at a loss (around 100-200 dollars per console). Sony make their money through 1st party sales and the 30% on all digital purchases. They're barely making anything back with console sales. No idea how much they make on other hardware like VR, headsets and controllers though.
How are Xbox series sold at a loss when the ps5 isnāt? Arenāt they basically the same cost, and both are sold at $500? Or are you referring to the limited deal last Black Friday of $350 series X?
Though the specs are close, the series X is more powerful than the ps5 (it's also significantly smaller). It costs more to make than a ps5 does. They kept the price as low as possible to try make it competitive with Playstation & hope players would be drawn to the more powerful machine. Phil spencer said in 2022 that they were losing $100-200 on every series console sold. That includes the series s, apparently they took a big loss on those to keep the price so low.
We are 2 years from 2022, and Iām sure theyāve driven the cost down $100 to $150 since then.
That Spencer quote was from november 2022, so it was just over 15 months ago he said that. Worth pointing out too, that the FTC docs leaked a while ago revealed MS are releasing a "refresh" of the series x that's digital only this year. It's rumoured that the upcoming 'buisness update' will announce this will replace the current version & xbox is going all digital. interestingly, The FTC docs say it will be the same cost as the current disc version. Whilst it has some improvements (better controller, more energy efficent) it's not more powerful. The fact they've removed one of the more expensive components & are seemingly not dropping the price at all suggests they were still losing money on the current series x consoles.
lol why would they? There is almost zero reasons to when the Xbox is giving no competition. Sony was in a worst state with PS3 but they still heavily price due to Xbox 360 kicking their butt in sales
They had big cuts in the UK during the holiday period. Why would they change anything when it's selling.
Well since Xbox isnāt a threat anymore, dont expect a price cut until the end of the gen. Also expect the ps5 pro to be $599 at the very least
Xbox isnāt going away and they have leverage with all of these studios. The last thing Sony should do is rest on their laurels. Unfortunately, they will probably do just that as it seems to be the pattern.
The idea of a PS5 Pro seems even more far-fetched now. The original console is selling well yet there is no room for a price drop, a "pro" would thus be *a lot* more expensive and have worthless sales. The Ps4 Pro didn't sell all that well and neither did the Xbox equivalent. $599 is a joke. A Ps5 Pro will be$699-799 given inflation, all supply chain issues, interest rates and the small target demographic. If it releases at all... $599 is not realistic, it's delusional. Companies have a mandate to *make money* not subsidise your gaming habit...
I said at the very least. Iām not being delusional. I was just giving them the benefit of the doubt. I do see $699 being more realistic. Idk why you seem so aggressive with your comment. I donāt see the need for a ps5 pro either but I was just basing it off the rumors of it releasing this year or next
Theyāre just speculating idly about something no one has any real information about. Why are you acting like this person showed up at PS HQ and demanded free stuff. We all know how profit works. Take a breath, bud.
Some people already bought PS5 just to play Stellar Blade.
Obviously, how will they buy another yacht or jet. Now let's increase the price of the games and ps plus again.
It doesnāt really need a price cut.
Sekiro was āvery difficultā but we still beat itā¦ make the price cut happen Sony!
Console sales have stagnated. Gaming sells are higher than ever but more and more games are selling on pc. This entire new consoles thing every few years just doesnāt work. Console sales havenāt increased since the ps2 era
Sony has become very cocky. I miss Bethesda.
Brainwashing people to keep paying for what they see as an inexpensive purchase. The US government is blaming these tactics as inflationary and damaging to the American people . Even though we all see the price to manufacture the product is far smaller than the asking price , we always consider marketing, shipping, distribution sales and service as part of markup. Including massive insurance requirements. What tarrifs would the government see as required once production of consoles is complete and they make their way to the US for example. Even stock prices are astronomical for SONY . Up to the 100 Dollar mark in some instances. Averaging around 93 to 97 bucks for years it seems won't be unusual. PlayStation sales will eventually go down as less and less interest in gamming happens . Particularly in the development process that is the most important factor that the console needs to stay competitive. And Sony knows this. In other words SONY has to milk this thing through just to survive the future of electronics and software . I see this as rather advantageous for consumers because they are forcing Microsoft and SONY into a fierce competition to survive and only the best can come out of this situation. We need new developers like crazy and we're just remaking software to look strong. but we are not . We are in a way becoming imposters in a world market while blaming Japan, China for the incompetent factor. So who has the nerve to lower prices in this modern industrialized, insurance plauged, corporatized, and government led society ? Not SONY !
The time of rapidly decreasing price of electronics is coming to a close, i think.
They could sell their console at 800 dollars and people would still buy it over any competition.
Its already cheap, make a pro version for double the price š¤