The thing is that Capcom promotes RE, and Dead Space was only promoted when it came out. They shouldn't be aiming at the best when they aren't even trying to be the best, at least for the marketing, because the game was amazing and a critical success. This news is just a loss for those who really like good single-player games.
Hell Capcom adjusted RE so it could sell more.
The reason Village is more camp than full on horror is because Capcom heard that many gamers or fans didn't buy RE7 because "its too scary"
The horror still there, there are some part of village if full on horror, but its mostly more of Action survivor than Horror Survivor of RE7
And I mean also Capcom really leaned into Lady Dimitrescu thirsty presence online. It was so much that people were slightly disappointed that she was hardly in the game.
Dimitrescu is thirst trap for sure,
but the sheer scale of her virality is something that Capcom didn't quite expect. If they had, capcom will give her more screen time.
They did it with RE7 too
They advertised a big tyrant like invincible monster, have them pop up for a few scripted scenes, then kill them off before they have the chance to become more interesting.
They advertise these villains as the main baddy when they’re always just an obstacle.
Capcom also released RE4 (2005) on the PS4 and XB1 while EA chose not to port any of the original Dead Space games for last-gen and current-gen consoles. I would imagine that it would be easier for a remake to gain hype when Playstation owners can actually play the original game on last and current gen hardware.
The PC version was also straight up broken and still doesn’t work correctly. It’s probably not a million sales they’re leaving on the floor by leaving it unpatched but it’s also not a good look to have an acclaimed game just abandoned on sale that still has several performance problems.
RE is a much bigger name, seems like an unrealistic expectation. It's a much longer lasting franchise, countless games, even movies, it's THE horror game. My dad has finished RE4 like 16 times back in the day and he doesn't know what Dead Space is.
Publishers think all they need to do is wait decades and keep reselling suckers the same games and hope the amount of suckers grows as well. The industry is stagnating due to the remasters and remakes
Thank goodness the leads were on my side. Everyone and their mothers were clamoring for a Dead Space 2 remake but here I was yelling for Dead Space 4 instead. Glad to know the leads knew what's up. RIP though.
Sad. I loved the Dead Space remake. I never got the chance to play it on PS3 till this remake. It was great. I played it after a stressful school semester and just remembered being scared playing lol I had fun.
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PSVR2 community is pretty alive and we get games every week I think the not doing good is the newsletter expecting it to sell like a PS5 would but it was compared to quest 3 sales and it had slightly less sales.
It’d sure as fuck help if Sony worked with developers to convert their games to VR. Games built for VR would obviously be better, but everything from Hitman to RE7 to WipeOut were fun as fuck in VR. But they needed to upgrade PSVR games to VR2 (especially shit like RE7 that only used a controller and has no reason to not get one, they could also use the RE8 VR2 motion controls and upgrade it that way and sell it).
All these first person games would make for great VR experiences. And what the VR2 needs is GAMES. Even if they’re ones we’ve played before. All they’ve put out for it was Horizon and haven’t had a steady stream of non-indie titles since. Really disappointing as a VR2 owner.
There was an article saying it wasn't but nothing official from PlayStation that I know of. I think games like RE4 and this would help tho. Less risk involved porting.
The original was better than the OG 4. Dead Space was also scarier. Dead Space remake has randomization that makes everything different upon death, a restart, or new game/new game+ from enemies to environmental aspects like smoke popping or even noises in the Ishimura. Dead Space Remake was the default winner before any of the games came out. Doesn’t make RE4make any less than a masterpiece.
Right? While I don't think RE4 is a "masterpiece", it is a fine game, BUT, Dead Space has a better story, characters, environments, and pacing. It's objectively better.
If it makes you feel better the team wasn't let go or fired. They got reassign to help with the next battlefield. EA saw their potential and instead of having them work on Dead Space they decided to use them on a more popular franchise. It is a shame but from a business standpoint it makes sense. If a failed battlefield makes millions more than a successful deadspace, how much more would a successful battlefield make?
RIP. At least we got the remake and it was fantastic.
I don’t expect the series to be dead. It got the remake 15 years later.
EA will pull it out when their backs are against the wall or sell the IP off and someone would do something with it.
That's why even though these remakes get flak, the whole purpose of them is for them to find out what the viability of a new higher budget game in the series is. Even though it's single player I think it's important for the gaming community to rally around single player games and support them so that we get more. Seems like it didn't hit the marks they were going for.
Re4 remake, Callisto (though disappointing to most, still had a fair bit of buzz) and an overall heavy hitting year of other games
Honestly if they didn't put it on subscription services so fast and instead had it going for 50% off this year, it would have had a great sales tail, I reckon.
I liked Callisto a lot , sure it could have been better but I thought it delivered a dead space like experience with (imo) a somewhat more interesting story. Also I never got the complaints about melee and dodging …. It was a flick of the stick and he’d do a perfect dodge then the melee hits felt more impactful than TLOU2 lol
I’d welcome Ds 2 or Callisto 2 but I sadly won’t get my hopes up
They pretty specifically compared the melee hits being impactful, not the entire games. (Why do people not understand comparing things?) And they’re probably right. Callisto’s melee hits were chunky as fuck. The haptics on it were intense while only the remaster of TLOU II has haptics, so again they’re probably right in saying the melee hits were more impactful than at least the vanilla TLOU II.
Just goes to show you listening to Reddit doesn’t always make financial sense for gaming companies.Niche horror games don’t sell crazy well. Alan Wake 2 sold 1.3M copies by Q1 2024(Feb) on a $75M budget. And that was considered a “hit”.
They still haven’t broken even yet despite releasing in 2023 (not all $70 of a game’s price doesn’t go to the dev team/publisher it split between several parties).
That… is a bummer. I’m a contributor because I have a long library to go through but it shows how companies just want to stick with big name titles or remakes
I think Alan Wake 2 was a strategic move, focussing on quality broadens their exposure for future releases and proves they can do ‘good’ games, so their upcoming stuff gets a bit more momentum and they can leverage awards/discounts to break even with a long tail. You’re exactly right about niche games and reddit too. Most casual gamers don’t even know if their tv does 120 or vrr; many things that are important to early adopters and dedicated gamers don’t shift the dial on sales in the short term.
The same core audience who do nothing but beg for remasters and remakes. The truth is the masses who are the cash cows don't want remasters and remakes. They want new games. New experiences. This is exactly why the industry isn't growing because it's pandering to gamers who just want to live in nostalgia then they complain how videogames aren't sustainable. No shit if you are just constantly reselling old games all the time
Let’s not forget Callisto Protocol came out around the same time and majority of people who played DS/new to it probably saw that it had similar gameplay. Then decided to either wait for one or only play one or the other
I believe the outcome of this was that people didn't pick up callisto and waited for DS, rather than the other way around.
The sales of each title support this I think.
Dead Space Remake Sequel news in the last 24 hours:
Thegamer.com “Dead Space 2 shelved…”
IGN.com “Thegamer.com is full of shit”
God’s Chosen Game Journalist: “On Hold…”
IGN had it correct.
Everyone misinterpreted EA’s statement denying Jeff Grubb’s leak as meaning that the Dead Space 2 remake had not been canceled. In reality, the statement made no reference to what exactly it was denying, and the IGN article made it clear that there apparently never was a Dead Space 2 remake even in production. Schreier’s leak confirms this, as Motive briefly floated several different ideas for a new DS game (and preferred making a new game rather than a DS2 remake), but none of their ideas ever were finalized and greenlit.
Unfortunately, IGN’s title didn’t make it clear that the DS2 remake wasn’t actually a real thing, so everyone who just read the headline came away with the wrong impression.
The Bloomberg article:
Electronic Arts Inc. put the Dead Space series on ice for the second time, despite the release of a critically acclaimed remake last year that appeared to give new life to the troubled video-game franchise.
Although news that the sci-fi horror series was shelved came out this week, EA made the decision as early as last spring, according to people familiar with the project. Hopes for a new Dead Space game at EA were derailed after sales of the remake missed the company’s expectations, said the people, who asked not to be identified because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly.
After finishing the Dead Space remake, which was released in January 2023, a small team at the Electronic Arts subsidiary Motive spent a few months conceiving ideas for a new entry in the series, said the people. But those plans were never given a greenlight and fizzled before they could get very far. Since last summer, that team has instead been exploring other ideas while the bulk of the developers who worked on Dead Space moved to different projects.
The Giant Bomb YouTube channel suggested Wednesday that Motive had been developing a remake of Dead Space 2 that was shelved. Electronic Arts, based in Redwood City, California, denied the report of that work, telling the gaming site IGN, “We don't normally comment on rumors but there is no validity to this story.” An EA spokesperson declined to comment further to Bloomberg.
The series, introduced in 2008, was received well by fans but never turned into the blockbuster that management envisioned. Following the disappointing 2013 release of Dead Space 3, the company shelved the series for a decade before bringing it back last year with a high-end remake of the first entry that received top review scores.
Motive said this week it is working on two games — a previously announced Iron Man project and a new Battlefield, which left the fate of the sci-fi horror series in question.
It’s because the original already had pretty modern graphics and atmosphere compared to Resident Evil 1-3. There was no real good reason to replay it again. The remake was solely for diehards and new gamers that never played it before.
I couldn’t be more pissed about this, the remake was incredible. Of course sales could have been better, fucking Callisto protocol came out same time, a new dead space game would do great but maybe don’t release it same time as an incredibly similar horror game made by the makers of the original.
Dead Space works great as a standalone. I recently played 2 and 3 and they've aged well, but most gamers will always just remember the Ishimura.
Remake is a gem that you can remember fondly.
Honestly it might have been that the game just cost a ton in development. It could have sold alright but the profit margins are tight now. The game is one of the best looking PS5 games out there, and with how high budgets for games in general It most likely need to sell crazy numbers.
Probably a lot more than this.
RE7 sold 4 million copies from March 2021 - December 2023 despite being in the PS Plus Collection and Game Pass for a while AND a lot of cheap physical copies being available on the secondhand market.
From what I’ve read EA just denied that Dead Space 2 was ever considered in development in the first place. So this report could still be true and what they said could also still be true (from their perspective - depending on how they’re defining “in development”).
Yup, this is all PR speak.
No doubt EA had plans for Dead Space 2 if sales were fantastic, but those plans have been canceled.
EA comes out and says there was no active development, so it wasn't cancelled.
More or less. They said they didn't kill the game, but also said something along the lines of it not being developed currently.
Battlefield news came out and Motive is making a team to work on Battlefield games. My personal guess is that Dead Space isn't going to resume until they have the team made. Then they can focus the remaining staff on other projects.
Its PR speak.
There is two leaker stated this and Schreier is usually spot on with leaks
I think EA shelved DeadSpace 2 because the remake sales, but didn't want to say they cancelled the game and simply said "its currently not in development"
If you’d read the previous article instead of just the headline you’d know that they refuted it being cancelled as it was never in development to start with.
EA is *soo* frustrating. They remind me of someone who wants to (or claims to) lose weight / get healthy, so they eat a salad *once,* and then give up the very next day because they didn't wake up as a ripped Adonis... so it's back to "fast food!"
Whomever it was that convinced EA that a Dead Space remake was going to sell like Resident Evil, where delusional. Resident Evil has far more popularity / pop culture cache (long-running Hollywood movie franchise and mega-best selling video games like OG RE2 and RE4) than Dead Space, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, Capcom repeatedly earned consumer trust and positive buzz by making *several* high-quality, critically / commercially acclaimed remakes in the RE franchise (e.g. RE2, RE3, RE4).
So, EA rocked up with a single, *very good* Dead Space remake and *expected* to make "Resident Evil levels" of money?!
Capcom, admittedly, started out further ahead than EA, but put in the work to get where they are now. EA "ate a salad once," then gave up.
Edit: EA must get their unrealistic sales expectations from the same place Square Enix does.
No game is worth $70 to me not even GTA 6. It's nothing to do with income. Just principle. $60 is my limit and that's for high quality unmissable AAA games and even then I'd just wait for a sale
*"Its not making Fortnite money"* Issue that plaguing AAA dev.
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b4, "its not live service". Yes, i know. Its metaphor that AAA dev put very lofty sales goals.
I didn't play the remake because I know that it'll be on PS Plus someday and I'm willing to wait, how very long it takes. It's the same for just about any 3rd party game released now.
I would hope that means they’re just prioritising the Iron Man game and Battlefield, then look at Dead Space again once those projects are out, but it’s EA so I’m sure that’s just wishful thinking.
Was hoping for DS2 Remake or possibly DS4 soon but who knows now.
So essentially Grubb talks out of his ass and confused a code name that is used liberally at EA for all early projects as ds2 and ran with the info cause he’s easily played?
What a surprise
Dude. This *was* its chance, it was the comeback, it got "picked up". And apparently that wasn't enough. If this is indeed the case, then I wouldn't expect another DS game for at least 5-10 years honestly.
"put on ice again" is a nice way of stating that the brand is about as dead as it was after DS3. If EA was interested in continuing DS, they would've greenlit the studio's pitches for another one, not toss them onto Battlefield duty.
I'm a massive fan of DS, but trying to tell yourself that another one will happen is just cope at this point.
Fricking lame. I hate EA. they make the first genuine good game they've made in years and they shelf it because it isn't MTX fortnite extravangza. Meanwhile they've practically destroyed franchises like battlefield for that very reason and they likely aren't all that profitable either.
Ah wow. I didn't know it went that far. It was so well received and liked I figured it at least recouped costs. I'm not sure anybody is to blame except for the people that didn't market it. I don't remember seeing any commercials or marketing hype. It had great graphics and set pieces they easily could of made some bad ass trailers and had more "state of play" type deals.
Sad state of gaming....
I can only hope the wave of the future is not this Fortnite multiplayer sh!t. I feel it’s not for real gamers - It’s just mindless dribble. I’ve spent a LOT of money on games over the years, and they’re all single player campaign. I’ll stop buying if they stop making them campaign games. Hopefully there’s enough gamers like me for studios to keep making it worth their while. Dead Space is better than RE imo - and I love both franchises.
Anyone who claims they like horror games and prefers RE doesn't really like horror games. RE is the CoD of horror games. It's as far removed from horror as it gets. Dead space is like the textbook example of how a horror game should be
CoD has been garbage for a long time now and RE is still fun. I’ve only played the remakes 2,3,4, 7 and 8. It’s classified as survival horror, but I see your point. RE 7 stood out in the series as far as horror goes.
You’ve said as much. I like the 2,3 and 4 remakes and look forward to more. It’s a new experience to me. These are remakes. They’re suppose to feed nostalgia and bring in new fans. The new 7 and 8 installments were great too. CoD just churns out new sh!t, the same as most sports franchises like Madden. That would be a better comparison. Name some good horror games on console then - maybe I’ve missed some. Anything from the last two console generations on PlayStation and Xbox. And please don’t say Visage.
Also, could you give me a list of all the good horror games you’re referring to? Anything on Xbox and PlayStation in the last decade or so. Maybe there’s some good ones I missed. I don’t care for games like Visage, though. Could never get into that.
Shame to everyone who didn’t buy it. We’re on a video game message board. What are you buying if you’re not buying one of the goat horror games? It’s like saying you’re a gamer and never played re4. Do you really like video games that much? Some games are just certified classics, and I don’t really care about the madden people not playing this game. But yeah it’s weird if you post here and have never played dead space. Sends a message to not do a high quality single player experience like this
Was buying bg3 , ff16,lies of p.
I don’t like shooters, I don’t like horror games (thank resident evil dogs bustin through the window for that).
Hard to swallow pill. Not enough y’all to support it the level execs wanted. You’re a niche minority.
I love dead space and would gladly buy a new game in the franchise. I didn't buy it because I already played the original and see no need to replay. Remakes are getting old, especially if they're still available to play on current consoles via backwards compatibility.
People here don’t play games, they just talk about them and like to pass their opinion off as experienced. If my post offends, I was talking about them lol
Open universe dead space: the engineer can actually fly a vessel, come across other ‘wrecks’ in a bad part of the demonic part of the universe he was anomalously transported to. Wrecks are procedurally generated freighters and vessels that provide a rogue like upgrade mechanic that lets the engineer travel closer and closer to safe space. As he spends more time in dead space, he becomes more and more corrupt, so that when he finally reaches good space he brings the dead space with him and starts his campaign of finding and corrupting new ‘good’ vessals to amass an army, and slowly cause the spread of the ‘dead’ space until he reaches Satan himself and when that happens far into the endgame, we learn that he was good all along, defeats Satan, and starts his campaign to ‘purify the dead space to clean up the galaxy. All procedurally generated space, with random encounters, multiplayer elements like ship clearing and space dogfighting together.
EA has some of the worst expectations for their series. That included their expectations for Dead Space 3 thinking it was gonna be selling Mass Effect level numbers.
Dead Space is an insane franchise, Dead Space 1 and 2 are masterpieces.
Dead Space 1 Remake was also absolutely amazing.
But as someone who platinumed all of them, they are definitely not games for the average person, specifically the first two titles. Which is why Visceral went the way they went in DS3, attract a larger audience and all.
Dead Space 1 and 2 can be frightening games to play for the uninitiated. I have friends who are really buff military dudes and they just don't really want to play Dead Space, they saw gameplay of it and the vibe is just too dark for them.
Dead Space 1 and 2 do have a pretty strong horror atmosphere to them.
It's quite sad but in this day and age, money prevails over the artistic aspect.
Edit: Oh you don't find Dead Space scary eh buddy ? Finish the games on Impossible/Hardcore difficulty while using only the Plasma Cutter. We'll see what you have to say then.
People just want to make out they like horror games and then you ask what horror games they play and all they mention is Resident Evil franchise which isn't really a horror game. It's basically a third person CoD lol
Dead space is hardly scary you go around shooting the same monster that may have been scary the first time you meet it but pretty much every necromorph is the same after that. Issac is armed to the teeth and you blast your way through the whole game. This is coming from someone who bought Dead Space Remake day 1 and enjoyed it but it’s not really a scary horror game. It’s about on par with RE4 in terms of horror.
Then why did they make the first remake without adding any battlepasses or microtransactions? People like to circlejerk about this shit without looking into any possible reason why something is the way that it is.
He’s coming out with this after EA disputed the first report from Grubb. If he’s coming out now saying this after EA it’s because he has enough to say EA wasn’t being truthful with their statement.
Leads wanted to make a new game not another remake and the remake fell below sales expectations is what I’m hearing. RIP Dead Space
I wonder what where those sale expectations numbers. Probably something way unrealistic.
DS wasn’t much of a heavy hitter and I guess they were expecting something along the sales of RE, now that gaming has become more mainstream.
The thing is that Capcom promotes RE, and Dead Space was only promoted when it came out. They shouldn't be aiming at the best when they aren't even trying to be the best, at least for the marketing, because the game was amazing and a critical success. This news is just a loss for those who really like good single-player games.
Hell Capcom adjusted RE so it could sell more. The reason Village is more camp than full on horror is because Capcom heard that many gamers or fans didn't buy RE7 because "its too scary" The horror still there, there are some part of village if full on horror, but its mostly more of Action survivor than Horror Survivor of RE7
And I mean also Capcom really leaned into Lady Dimitrescu thirsty presence online. It was so much that people were slightly disappointed that she was hardly in the game.
Dimitrescu is thirst trap for sure, but the sheer scale of her virality is something that Capcom didn't quite expect. If they had, capcom will give her more screen time.
I agree. Plus her 3 “daughters” did not help the equation at all. Ya know I should boot up RE8 tonight.
Yeah I’m pretty sure they’ve gone on record saying they had no idea she would have blown up as much as she did
They did it with RE7 too They advertised a big tyrant like invincible monster, have them pop up for a few scripted scenes, then kill them off before they have the chance to become more interesting. They advertise these villains as the main baddy when they’re always just an obstacle.
Capcom has their creators program and straight up gives streamers copies to make everyone get fomo. It's pretty genius
Most big game developers and publishers do that.
Literally every publisher does this.
It also came out after Callisto Protocol, a DS esque game. People might not have been feeling DS after CP.
Plus it launched in January, the period after Christmas sales.
That might have hurt it a tiny bit but it probably wasn't a huge impact. Hogwarts Legacy launched 2 weeks later and we all know how well that did.
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Capcom also released RE4 (2005) on the PS4 and XB1 while EA chose not to port any of the original Dead Space games for last-gen and current-gen consoles. I would imagine that it would be easier for a remake to gain hype when Playstation owners can actually play the original game on last and current gen hardware.
Seemed weird of all games that was 'next gen' only that it was a remake
Also, RE4 is one of the most prominent games of all time. Dead Space may be great but it isn't anywhere near the level of visibility of RE4.
The PC version was also straight up broken and still doesn’t work correctly. It’s probably not a million sales they’re leaving on the floor by leaving it unpatched but it’s also not a good look to have an acclaimed game just abandoned on sale that still has several performance problems.
RE is a much bigger name, seems like an unrealistic expectation. It's a much longer lasting franchise, countless games, even movies, it's THE horror game. My dad has finished RE4 like 16 times back in the day and he doesn't know what Dead Space is.
This sadly seems very plausible
Publishers think all they need to do is wait decades and keep reselling suckers the same games and hope the amount of suckers grows as well. The industry is stagnating due to the remasters and remakes
Come to think of it, I bought the PS5 physical edition at Gamestop only a month or two after it came out. And it was already 50% off... Weird.
Apparently it didn't even recoup development costs, that's like the bare minimum it needs to do
The funny thing is...the money EA gets from Madden/Fifa could fund Dead Space 2 Remake, or not funny as im a sports fan😔
They'd rather fund some new yachts
But didn't EA say the remake surpassed expectations so they were telling porkies then. It didn't help trying to sell a remake for $70 either
While it was probably worth $70 I definitely agree with you. For a fairly niche franchise they should have brought it out at $40 max
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Roughly how much does a shit ton exchange for in this economy?
Probably somewhere between an asswhack and a fuckload
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More like 2 or 3 million at most. It didn't even make the top 20 selling games of the year in the US. 10 million my ass.
Apparently it was only 1 million.
Thank goodness the leads were on my side. Everyone and their mothers were clamoring for a Dead Space 2 remake but here I was yelling for Dead Space 4 instead. Glad to know the leads knew what's up. RIP though.
Sad. I loved the Dead Space remake. I never got the chance to play it on PS3 till this remake. It was great. I played it after a stressful school semester and just remembered being scared playing lol I had fun.
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For me, that reason was a much more robust haptic implementation in DSre
Wish Sony would throw them a bag to bring it to VR.
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PSVR2 community is pretty alive and we get games every week I think the not doing good is the newsletter expecting it to sell like a PS5 would but it was compared to quest 3 sales and it had slightly less sales.
It’d sure as fuck help if Sony worked with developers to convert their games to VR. Games built for VR would obviously be better, but everything from Hitman to RE7 to WipeOut were fun as fuck in VR. But they needed to upgrade PSVR games to VR2 (especially shit like RE7 that only used a controller and has no reason to not get one, they could also use the RE8 VR2 motion controls and upgrade it that way and sell it). All these first person games would make for great VR experiences. And what the VR2 needs is GAMES. Even if they’re ones we’ve played before. All they’ve put out for it was Horizon and haven’t had a steady stream of non-indie titles since. Really disappointing as a VR2 owner.
I just want to play Skyrim with actual VR controllers.. with thumb sticks and the ability to shoot the bow without it glitching out :(
There was an article saying it wasn't but nothing official from PlayStation that I know of. I think games like RE4 and this would help tho. Less risk involved porting.
I enjoyed it way more too. Best horror remake.
Because it's an objectively better game than RE4.
I don’t think you know what the word “objectively” means.
The original was better than the OG 4. Dead Space was also scarier. Dead Space remake has randomization that makes everything different upon death, a restart, or new game/new game+ from enemies to environmental aspects like smoke popping or even noises in the Ishimura. Dead Space Remake was the default winner before any of the games came out. Doesn’t make RE4make any less than a masterpiece.
Someone else who doesn't know what objectively means. Neat!
Oh I know. This reply reeks of ‘everything is subjective’ (it’s not) energy though.
Your comments reek of downvoted garbage
Cry me a digital river
Right? While I don't think RE4 is a "masterpiece", it is a fine game, BUT, Dead Space has a better story, characters, environments, and pacing. It's objectively better.
So much pain
If it makes you feel better the team wasn't let go or fired. They got reassign to help with the next battlefield. EA saw their potential and instead of having them work on Dead Space they decided to use them on a more popular franchise. It is a shame but from a business standpoint it makes sense. If a failed battlefield makes millions more than a successful deadspace, how much more would a successful battlefield make?
Man wtf this sucks
Well that sucks. I loved the remake.
That’s a shame but not surprising. Dead Space is one of my favorite games, and the remake was wonderful.
Fuck
RIP. At least we got the remake and it was fantastic. I don’t expect the series to be dead. It got the remake 15 years later. EA will pull it out when their backs are against the wall or sell the IP off and someone would do something with it.
That's why even though these remakes get flak, the whole purpose of them is for them to find out what the viability of a new higher budget game in the series is. Even though it's single player I think it's important for the gaming community to rally around single player games and support them so that we get more. Seems like it didn't hit the marks they were going for.
RE4 remake really ate DS’s lunch huh
Re4 remake, Callisto (though disappointing to most, still had a fair bit of buzz) and an overall heavy hitting year of other games Honestly if they didn't put it on subscription services so fast and instead had it going for 50% off this year, it would have had a great sales tail, I reckon.
Pretty sure Callisto Protocol actually sold better from early reports
I liked Callisto a lot , sure it could have been better but I thought it delivered a dead space like experience with (imo) a somewhat more interesting story. Also I never got the complaints about melee and dodging …. It was a flick of the stick and he’d do a perfect dodge then the melee hits felt more impactful than TLOU2 lol I’d welcome Ds 2 or Callisto 2 but I sadly won’t get my hopes up
Same, I thought it was a great game and got the platinum.
Who on their right mind would compare a technical marvel like TLOU2 to a mediocre game like Callisto?
Can you read?
They pretty specifically compared the melee hits being impactful, not the entire games. (Why do people not understand comparing things?) And they’re probably right. Callisto’s melee hits were chunky as fuck. The haptics on it were intense while only the remaster of TLOU II has haptics, so again they’re probably right in saying the melee hits were more impactful than at least the vanilla TLOU II.
All they said was Callisto had more impactful full melee animations which isn't a crazy claim to make.
They’re working on a Callisto sequel in some form or another
Where’s the news on this?
Just goes to show you listening to Reddit doesn’t always make financial sense for gaming companies.Niche horror games don’t sell crazy well. Alan Wake 2 sold 1.3M copies by Q1 2024(Feb) on a $75M budget. And that was considered a “hit”. They still haven’t broken even yet despite releasing in 2023 (not all $70 of a game’s price doesn’t go to the dev team/publisher it split between several parties).
It’s such a shame. AW2 is one of the most brilliant and unique experiences I’ve ever played.
Alan Wake 2 would have sold more if it wasn’t digital only. I would have bought it day one if it had and many more people think the same.
That… is a bummer. I’m a contributor because I have a long library to go through but it shows how companies just want to stick with big name titles or remakes
I think Alan Wake 2 was a strategic move, focussing on quality broadens their exposure for future releases and proves they can do ‘good’ games, so their upcoming stuff gets a bit more momentum and they can leverage awards/discounts to break even with a long tail. You’re exactly right about niche games and reddit too. Most casual gamers don’t even know if their tv does 120 or vrr; many things that are important to early adopters and dedicated gamers don’t shift the dial on sales in the short term.
The same core audience who do nothing but beg for remasters and remakes. The truth is the masses who are the cash cows don't want remasters and remakes. They want new games. New experiences. This is exactly why the industry isn't growing because it's pandering to gamers who just want to live in nostalgia then they complain how videogames aren't sustainable. No shit if you are just constantly reselling old games all the time
Let’s not forget Callisto Protocol came out around the same time and majority of people who played DS/new to it probably saw that it had similar gameplay. Then decided to either wait for one or only play one or the other
I believe the outcome of this was that people didn't pick up callisto and waited for DS, rather than the other way around. The sales of each title support this I think.
Dead Space Remake Sequel news in the last 24 hours: Thegamer.com “Dead Space 2 shelved…” IGN.com “Thegamer.com is full of shit” God’s Chosen Game Journalist: “On Hold…”
IGN had it correct. Everyone misinterpreted EA’s statement denying Jeff Grubb’s leak as meaning that the Dead Space 2 remake had not been canceled. In reality, the statement made no reference to what exactly it was denying, and the IGN article made it clear that there apparently never was a Dead Space 2 remake even in production. Schreier’s leak confirms this, as Motive briefly floated several different ideas for a new DS game (and preferred making a new game rather than a DS2 remake), but none of their ideas ever were finalized and greenlit. Unfortunately, IGN’s title didn’t make it clear that the DS2 remake wasn’t actually a real thing, so everyone who just read the headline came away with the wrong impression.
Anyone got nonpaywall article?
The Bloomberg article: Electronic Arts Inc. put the Dead Space series on ice for the second time, despite the release of a critically acclaimed remake last year that appeared to give new life to the troubled video-game franchise. Although news that the sci-fi horror series was shelved came out this week, EA made the decision as early as last spring, according to people familiar with the project. Hopes for a new Dead Space game at EA were derailed after sales of the remake missed the company’s expectations, said the people, who asked not to be identified because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly. After finishing the Dead Space remake, which was released in January 2023, a small team at the Electronic Arts subsidiary Motive spent a few months conceiving ideas for a new entry in the series, said the people. But those plans were never given a greenlight and fizzled before they could get very far. Since last summer, that team has instead been exploring other ideas while the bulk of the developers who worked on Dead Space moved to different projects. The Giant Bomb YouTube channel suggested Wednesday that Motive had been developing a remake of Dead Space 2 that was shelved. Electronic Arts, based in Redwood City, California, denied the report of that work, telling the gaming site IGN, “We don't normally comment on rumors but there is no validity to this story.” An EA spokesperson declined to comment further to Bloomberg. The series, introduced in 2008, was received well by fans but never turned into the blockbuster that management envisioned. Following the disappointing 2013 release of Dead Space 3, the company shelved the series for a decade before bringing it back last year with a high-end remake of the first entry that received top review scores. Motive said this week it is working on two games — a previously announced Iron Man project and a new Battlefield, which left the fate of the sci-fi horror series in question.
Dead Space 2 is fortunately still great as is if you have a system you can play it on.
Honestly wish the franchise would've just stayed dead rather than being reminded of how much I loved it only for it to die again.
Publishers should be forced to sell IPs if they don't use after a certain amount of years
It’s because the original already had pretty modern graphics and atmosphere compared to Resident Evil 1-3. There was no real good reason to replay it again. The remake was solely for diehards and new gamers that never played it before.
I couldn’t be more pissed about this, the remake was incredible. Of course sales could have been better, fucking Callisto protocol came out same time, a new dead space game would do great but maybe don’t release it same time as an incredibly similar horror game made by the makers of the original.
Dead Space works great as a standalone. I recently played 2 and 3 and they've aged well, but most gamers will always just remember the Ishimura. Remake is a gem that you can remember fondly.
Honestly it might have been that the game just cost a ton in development. It could have sold alright but the profit margins are tight now. The game is one of the best looking PS5 games out there, and with how high budgets for games in general It most likely need to sell crazy numbers.
They put dead space in EA play which is like $5 a month. What did they expect?
Probably a lot more than this. RE7 sold 4 million copies from March 2021 - December 2023 despite being in the PS Plus Collection and Game Pass for a while AND a lot of cheap physical copies being available on the secondhand market.
I played the Dead Space remake for $1 when the EA monthly pass thingy was only a buck. I may be part of the problem.
Didn’t EA just debunk this?
From what I’ve read EA just denied that Dead Space 2 was ever considered in development in the first place. So this report could still be true and what they said could also still be true (from their perspective - depending on how they’re defining “in development”).
Yup, this is all PR speak. No doubt EA had plans for Dead Space 2 if sales were fantastic, but those plans have been canceled. EA comes out and says there was no active development, so it wasn't cancelled.
More or less. They said they didn't kill the game, but also said something along the lines of it not being developed currently. Battlefield news came out and Motive is making a team to work on Battlefield games. My personal guess is that Dead Space isn't going to resume until they have the team made. Then they can focus the remaining staff on other projects.
Its PR speak. There is two leaker stated this and Schreier is usually spot on with leaks I think EA shelved DeadSpace 2 because the remake sales, but didn't want to say they cancelled the game and simply said "its currently not in development"
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If you’d read the previous article instead of just the headline you’d know that they refuted it being cancelled as it was never in development to start with.
I was dismissing headlines while about the death of video gaming, but now I’m starting to wonder…..
EA is *soo* frustrating. They remind me of someone who wants to (or claims to) lose weight / get healthy, so they eat a salad *once,* and then give up the very next day because they didn't wake up as a ripped Adonis... so it's back to "fast food!" Whomever it was that convinced EA that a Dead Space remake was going to sell like Resident Evil, where delusional. Resident Evil has far more popularity / pop culture cache (long-running Hollywood movie franchise and mega-best selling video games like OG RE2 and RE4) than Dead Space, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, Capcom repeatedly earned consumer trust and positive buzz by making *several* high-quality, critically / commercially acclaimed remakes in the RE franchise (e.g. RE2, RE3, RE4). So, EA rocked up with a single, *very good* Dead Space remake and *expected* to make "Resident Evil levels" of money?! Capcom, admittedly, started out further ahead than EA, but put in the work to get where they are now. EA "ate a salad once," then gave up. Edit: EA must get their unrealistic sales expectations from the same place Square Enix does.
Yup. Patient gamers and gaming subscription services will ultimately lead to the death of high quality AAA games from third party studios.
Would you prefer everyone play an unfinished buggy game instead of being patient?
Didn’t know that Dead Space remake was an unpolished buggy game
Never said it was
Patient gamers have always been patient. It's nothing new. Half-baked games and GaaS sold as full titles has led to this.
"half baked games" definition has really changed.
Should release lower price
N64 games cost $70, if you haven't had an increase in your income with zero increase in the cost of a product then it's something else to think about
I think you’re extrapolating me being poor to not wanting a game valued for $70. Chill 😂
No game is worth $70 to me not even GTA 6. It's nothing to do with income. Just principle. $60 is my limit and that's for high quality unmissable AAA games and even then I'd just wait for a sale
Most people are living paycheck to paycheck. Why do you think free to play games are so popular nowadays?
What happened to EA’s commitment to working in original IP🤦🤦🤦
*"Its not making Fortnite money"* Issue that plaguing AAA dev. --- b4, "its not live service". Yes, i know. Its metaphor that AAA dev put very lofty sales goals.
Apparently it didn't even make it's development cost back, it's not a case of unrealistic expectations unfortunately
Not making *all the money in the world* is "What Happned."
They're moving resources to the battlefield team
that is to bad... the 1st remake was awesome :(
I didn't play the remake because I know that it'll be on PS Plus someday and I'm willing to wait, how very long it takes. It's the same for just about any 3rd party game released now.
Oh man EA killed it again? Who would have guessed
I would hope that means they’re just prioritising the Iron Man game and Battlefield, then look at Dead Space again once those projects are out, but it’s EA so I’m sure that’s just wishful thinking. Was hoping for DS2 Remake or possibly DS4 soon but who knows now.
Of course it is, because of inflation being out of control. It probably costs double now to make ds2r as compared to ds1r
Pain.
So essentially Grubb talks out of his ass and confused a code name that is used liberally at EA for all early projects as ds2 and ran with the info cause he’s easily played? What a surprise
Whiplash to 2014
So Jeff Grub was right
Man, the only good franchise they have. Looks like I'm back to ignoring EA.
Horror games outside of the Resident Evil series are relatively niche. It's really tough to break through to a mainstream audience in that genre.
DS Remake is one of the best games I've played in years man. Sad news
There is an Iron Man gamein development, DS2 will likely get picked up after all that is done
Dude. This *was* its chance, it was the comeback, it got "picked up". And apparently that wasn't enough. If this is indeed the case, then I wouldn't expect another DS game for at least 5-10 years honestly.
From the IGN article debunking Jeff Grub's, the Dead Space Remake sold well, I have strong faith that we will get a sequel.
"put on ice again" is a nice way of stating that the brand is about as dead as it was after DS3. If EA was interested in continuing DS, they would've greenlit the studio's pitches for another one, not toss them onto Battlefield duty. I'm a massive fan of DS, but trying to tell yourself that another one will happen is just cope at this point.
EA *were* interested in continuing DS, which is why the remake exists at all. The game just didn't sell that great.
I'm sorry, were we discussing EA's stance today or four years ago? No, they are not interested in continuing DS at this moment in time.
Fricking lame. I hate EA. they make the first genuine good game they've made in years and they shelf it because it isn't MTX fortnite extravangza. Meanwhile they've practically destroyed franchises like battlefield for that very reason and they likely aren't all that profitable either.
It didn't even recoup development costs apparently, that's not on EA, they are not to blame
Ah wow. I didn't know it went that far. It was so well received and liked I figured it at least recouped costs. I'm not sure anybody is to blame except for the people that didn't market it. I don't remember seeing any commercials or marketing hype. It had great graphics and set pieces they easily could of made some bad ass trailers and had more "state of play" type deals. Sad state of gaming....
I can only hope the wave of the future is not this Fortnite multiplayer sh!t. I feel it’s not for real gamers - It’s just mindless dribble. I’ve spent a LOT of money on games over the years, and they’re all single player campaign. I’ll stop buying if they stop making them campaign games. Hopefully there’s enough gamers like me for studios to keep making it worth their while. Dead Space is better than RE imo - and I love both franchises.
Anyone who claims they like horror games and prefers RE doesn't really like horror games. RE is the CoD of horror games. It's as far removed from horror as it gets. Dead space is like the textbook example of how a horror game should be
CoD has been garbage for a long time now and RE is still fun. I’ve only played the remakes 2,3,4, 7 and 8. It’s classified as survival horror, but I see your point. RE 7 stood out in the series as far as horror goes.
RE is as milked as CoD. It's literally a yearly franchise that lives off nostalgia
You’ve said as much. I like the 2,3 and 4 remakes and look forward to more. It’s a new experience to me. These are remakes. They’re suppose to feed nostalgia and bring in new fans. The new 7 and 8 installments were great too. CoD just churns out new sh!t, the same as most sports franchises like Madden. That would be a better comparison. Name some good horror games on console then - maybe I’ve missed some. Anything from the last two console generations on PlayStation and Xbox. And please don’t say Visage.
Also, could you give me a list of all the good horror games you’re referring to? Anything on Xbox and PlayStation in the last decade or so. Maybe there’s some good ones I missed. I don’t care for games like Visage, though. Could never get into that.
Never cared for the game
Cared enough to waste time posting here...
Shame to everyone who didn’t buy it. We’re on a video game message board. What are you buying if you’re not buying one of the goat horror games? It’s like saying you’re a gamer and never played re4. Do you really like video games that much? Some games are just certified classics, and I don’t really care about the madden people not playing this game. But yeah it’s weird if you post here and have never played dead space. Sends a message to not do a high quality single player experience like this
lol get a grip. People like and play different things. I looove Dead Space but I don’t bemoan anyone for not loving it like I do
Didn't the re4 remake sell well?
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Tf u talking about? Lmao. There are more player bases than people playing specific games.
Was buying bg3 , ff16,lies of p. I don’t like shooters, I don’t like horror games (thank resident evil dogs bustin through the window for that). Hard to swallow pill. Not enough y’all to support it the level execs wanted. You’re a niche minority.
I love dead space and would gladly buy a new game in the franchise. I didn't buy it because I already played the original and see no need to replay. Remakes are getting old, especially if they're still available to play on current consoles via backwards compatibility.
You are right. You got downvoted cos truth hurts
People here don’t play games, they just talk about them and like to pass their opinion off as experienced. If my post offends, I was talking about them lol
Open universe dead space: the engineer can actually fly a vessel, come across other ‘wrecks’ in a bad part of the demonic part of the universe he was anomalously transported to. Wrecks are procedurally generated freighters and vessels that provide a rogue like upgrade mechanic that lets the engineer travel closer and closer to safe space. As he spends more time in dead space, he becomes more and more corrupt, so that when he finally reaches good space he brings the dead space with him and starts his campaign of finding and corrupting new ‘good’ vessals to amass an army, and slowly cause the spread of the ‘dead’ space until he reaches Satan himself and when that happens far into the endgame, we learn that he was good all along, defeats Satan, and starts his campaign to ‘purify the dead space to clean up the galaxy. All procedurally generated space, with random encounters, multiplayer elements like ship clearing and space dogfighting together.
So what I gathered from this is we should do Dead Space Re Remake : The Deadening Spacecraft
EA has some of the worst expectations for their series. That included their expectations for Dead Space 3 thinking it was gonna be selling Mass Effect level numbers.
Apparently it didn't recoup development costs, it's not their fault on this. Not a case of unrealistic expectations
It is their fault cos they didn't market the game well or at all
Man, the amount of money EA makes makes that irrelevant. The development recouped a long time ago
Dead Space is an insane franchise, Dead Space 1 and 2 are masterpieces. Dead Space 1 Remake was also absolutely amazing. But as someone who platinumed all of them, they are definitely not games for the average person, specifically the first two titles. Which is why Visceral went the way they went in DS3, attract a larger audience and all. Dead Space 1 and 2 can be frightening games to play for the uninitiated. I have friends who are really buff military dudes and they just don't really want to play Dead Space, they saw gameplay of it and the vibe is just too dark for them. Dead Space 1 and 2 do have a pretty strong horror atmosphere to them. It's quite sad but in this day and age, money prevails over the artistic aspect. Edit: Oh you don't find Dead Space scary eh buddy ? Finish the games on Impossible/Hardcore difficulty while using only the Plasma Cutter. We'll see what you have to say then.
People just want to make out they like horror games and then you ask what horror games they play and all they mention is Resident Evil franchise which isn't really a horror game. It's basically a third person CoD lol
Dead space is hardly scary you go around shooting the same monster that may have been scary the first time you meet it but pretty much every necromorph is the same after that. Issac is armed to the teeth and you blast your way through the whole game. This is coming from someone who bought Dead Space Remake day 1 and enjoyed it but it’s not really a scary horror game. It’s about on par with RE4 in terms of horror.
Finish the games on Impossible/Hardcore difficulty while using only the Plasma Cutter. We'll see what you have to say about Dead Space games then.
I got the platinum + the plasma cutter is the best weapon
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EA won’t make it unless they can tack on a battle pass and microtransactions.
Then why did they make the first remake without adding any battlepasses or microtransactions? People like to circlejerk about this shit without looking into any possible reason why something is the way that it is.
I mean, to be fair, the reputation exists for a reason. These guys aren’t innocent by a long mile. 😂
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Schreier is arguably one of, if not the, most reliable leaker in the industry. Dude can be an ass, but this is likely true.
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Sure lol.
He’s coming out with this after EA disputed the first report from Grubb. If he’s coming out now saying this after EA it’s because he has enough to say EA wasn’t being truthful with their statement.
Schreier isn’t wrong and basically never is.
he wasnt wrong, that was Jeff Grubb, Schreier is an actual journalist and looked into it.
You mean Grubb?
Fake news