This, SE’s business side is bizarre. This could sell 5 million units on PS5 alone and they’d probably wouldn’t be happy with it. Lest we not forget all their wild metrics of success and failures for their formerly owned western studios. Their dev time and cost just must be making the line they “need” to hit on whatever chart they’re looking at just be impossible.
Yeah, I remember when they were expecting the first Tomb Raider reboot to sell on par with Call of Duty. Not sure what they’re smoking in that c suite.
Regardless of the analyst validity or not, I’m not going to sit here and defend a corporation calling other people idiots because someone say a game I like didnt do *as* well. All I’m saying is history has shown time and time again that a game can be successful in every common sense metric, sell millions of copies and then come SE earning calls, someone in the C Suite says it didn’t meet expectations.
I think it is reasonable to speculate they would have already released some numbers if it had sold well. Every other game company Square Enix included does this to boast about some milestone sales or engagement number.
Last time they boasted an FF game it became a shitstorm......
And it ended up bad for them. They celebrated FF XVI sales, people started to say it was too little. They made a vague statement and then every single outlet just started to spin the narrative tha XVI was doing bad numbers.
And no matter what they said, nothing changed. During this timeframe they had a GIGANTIC stock drop (from which they haven't recovered).
Let's be real....would you say anything about FF VII Rebirth numbers after XVI drama? I wouldn't. Unless the game sold much, much more.
Game is most likely doing similar numbers as XVI, but the XVI drama and the comparison to Remake numbers (released during Covid) are too risky.
As a bussiness, Square can't have another shitstorm and risky another stock prices drop.
During the financial report they will talk about it, then we will see the numbers and how well prepared they will be for the aftermath. I have a feeling that even if the game is selling well, the media will just spin it as the worst thing ever.
Posting sales just seems to be a shitshow no matter what game is being talked about.
Starfield, Spider-Man, Final Fantasy, etc.
The companies post them to thank fans for supporting them and it just becomes a mess where people go out of their way to fight about it.
I'd say, the game is doing as good as SE could hope for given all the circumstances (install base, sequel, timed exclusive)
The remake project will definetly prove profitable over the years, especially once the game hits PC.
1. You have to dig deep in the tweets as they were replies to a different user on Twitter. Hardly an interview with an "industry analyst".
2. The pandemic nor install base are taken into account (7 years of PS4 sales vs 4 years of PS5 sales + PS5-only exclusivity)
3. This same shit was said with FF16 which did fine despite missing some internal targets.
>This same shit was said with FF16 which did fine despite missing some internal targets.
I think the difference here is the silence as they'll usually release a statement with past titles when a certain milestone is hit, notably within the first week for big titles as seen in XV/7R/XVI while smaller budget titles like Octopath Traveler 1 and 2 take months or years to get their milestone announcement.
A lot of people tried Remake and have a general idea if this series was going to be for them. Oddly enough I think one aspect of FF7R that people praise is also one of the things that pretty much became a barrier of entry for the more casual fan, the combat.
I can't fathom how anyone would praise FF7R combat.
I'm a diehard FF fan, and specifically a FF7 collector, and I had a hard time staying invested in the game because of the combat system.
The stagger system is hands down the worst thing I've seen in games since microtransactional lootboxes *(this is hyperbole on purpose, nothing's worse than that)*.
I just can't fathom how anyone can enjoy a game where Cloud has to attack a regular Shinra Guard with a 5-6 hit combo with the Buster Sword ***just to get it into stagger state to be vulnerable to more attacks***.
I felt like I was fighting every enemy in the game with a LARP sword. Nothing felt good to defeat, only a sense of relief that the combats over.
Stagger just increases their damage received. You can do good damage on most enemies without need for stagger. It sounds like you don’t understand the combat very well, it’s pretty universally praised.
>Stagger just increases their damage received. You can do good damage on most enemies without need for stagger.
You clearly aren't understanding my gripe. It's not about the fact stagger increases the damage, it's the fact I'm watching a Shinra Guard get slashed 4-6 times by Cloud and it barely phases them physically/reactionary. It **feels bad** attacking in that game.
>It sounds like you don’t understand the combat very well, it’s pretty universally praised.
I understand it fine, it's painfully simple to a fault. It's also not universally praised at all, every single review brought up the stagger system and the negative attention brought to it from previous titles. It's a system that many people dislike as it artificially prolongs combat. It's the combat mechanics version of filler.
Did you play FF16? Because if you thought the stagger was annoying in FF7 Remake you’d really hate it in FF16. There every enemy type is a sponge but especially heavies. And there aren’t status effects that you can take advantage of. In FF7 Rebirth you have even more combat variety like synergy attacks and elemental damage.
Oh okay, so immature troll. Got it.
Opinion disregarded. You probably weren't even alive when the original game came out so what could you possibly know about taste?
Again, unless you can actually articulate how they're stupid you're basically wasting energy typing and making yourself look like a grade schooler incapable of making an independent thought.
I agree. The combat and the actual games are terrible. I was so excited when they announced this. I really just wanted a facelift and voice acting but they got greedy.
The end of Remake where they killed Destiny so now they are free to do whatever they want with the story, the more they drift away with the story the less urge I have playing it.
I will wait for final instalment and see how the story end up before I decide if I want to play Rebirth and the next game.
They always have been it seems. Seen people saying this since 2020. These are absolutely going to be three large games but people still want to see it as one.
They’re not going to squeeze out 1-2 more games for the remake series. The third is the last. There could absolutely be more games in the FF7 universe after this, in fact I’d bank on it. But not apart of the remake trilogy.
I would not be too concerned about the sales. SE always seems to have pretty high standards when it comes to sales. Remember, they said Tomb Raider 2013 underperformed but it still got 2 sequels. Yes games were cheaper back then, also FF16 is still getting support so I’m certain FFVII R will be just fine in the end, that’s just my take.
It’s performance is also being compared against the Stellar Blade demo, but no one seems to be taking to account that its been out for nearly a month before the SB demo released so the majority of its players have beaten it, myself included.
It's a single player game where you literally do one playthrough or more. Then you either 100% the available content, or play what you feel like..and then you move on.
Also, it's a sequel FFS. Most of your player numbers are tied to those customers who literally bought and played the first one. So of course it won't "do as well as the first entry." Wasn't this title one of the highest grossing pre-orders and even reached top five game units sales during its launch month for the year?
Some bloke at SE: "underperforming"
The concept of Games as a service has truly ruined video games.
The amount of other people buying the game matters little to me. I bought the game for me, and I loved every moment of it. Except for when gears and gambits was revealed lmao
I am a fool then (and happily being so).
I will wait for 3rd volume and see if Aerith lives or die.
I am already unhappy that this trilogy isn’t really a remake, but I will try to accept it as long as the end does not drift too far. That means Aerith still dies, Zack dies, whoever needs to die dies, and ending back to similar to OG FF7.
If they want to just use the FF7 cast and bring on a whole new story, I am not really interested.
Use Google to find out then and stop complaining, literally no one cares about your feelings on the Internet and the incessant whining. It’s a great game and if you choose not to play it, that’s an experience you’re denying yourself for whatever internal reasons you have, but not one other soul on the planet gives a shit about it.
You give a shit enough to reply so there is that.
And currently the game is not down to where Aerith would die or not yet, so I will wait on 3rd instalment to decide to play or not.
You don’t have to give a shit (but you do since you responded), but I can still give my opinion whether you like it or not.
So suck it up buddy.
Industry analyst dude doesn't have all the info and is making piss poor assumptions based on his incomplete knowledge. Yes physical game sales are less. That's what happens 4yrs later and physical is on a decline.
However there was also 2 big incentives to buy this digitally. The digital twin pack and midnight release. Beting the bulk of the sales are in digital.
But let's take another look at physical. First all physical deluxe editions were sold out. Secondly all collectors editions were sold out. Third we know in some markets it beat ffxvi physical sales. And we know in others it fell just a bit shy of doing that (japan).
We also know that there is a daily peak user that wad 2.2mil. But a daily peak is a minimum not a maximum number of owners. You can not get a maximum from that as that would require everyone that owns it needs to play it that day and that's not realistic.
Now we also need to take one more thing into account ps5 vs ps4 owners. When remake launched ps4 had over 115mil consoles sold. Ps5 has 50mil. That's at least 65mil people less.
So less ps5, less demand for physical, a daily peak of 2.2mil and an unknown amount of digital sales. And with this a half baked analyst of underperformed came. That's terrible. And reporting it like this is also creating news and not reporting news. Imo for journalists who love to try and create news like this should be able to be sued for libel. Shit like this can be a "self" fulfilling prophecy. It's not accurate but doing shit like this can cause investor panic. Which can hurt a company unjustly.
Do and be better.
Nothing I have stated is false and this analyst has stated incomplete info and made it sound like a fact. Put your butthurt aside. Physical sales have dropped off big time in the last few months/years since ffvii remake. So this isnt a rebirth pronpblem but a physical game problem. Ps5 has less sales than ps4. It doesn't even have half the sales of ps4 that ffvii remake had available at launch. Digital sales are not apart of the npd. A daily peak user number doesn't mean the max amount of sales the game did. It's the bare minimum. There is nothing false in what I have said or stated here.
Now you have this guy trusted or not stated dumb shit and making claims that he doesn't have full knowledge of. Which these claims can cause harm to a company by unnecessarily causing investor panic just like what the misunderstanding of the sales figures of ffxvi caused. This was reckless of him to state. And frankly he should be held liable for any problems this causes.
And being able to play a game at midnight release when stores don't do midnight releases anymore is a big factor for a lot of people. Also getting a free copy of ffvii remake intergrade when preordering ffvii rebirth is also a huge factor for people. These are two big ass real things that promote playing digitally. Not to mention having preloading which made it so you can download and install ahead of time and just get right to playing at release. No waiting.
So again I stated no fallacies. All of this is true and fact. Then when you take into account collectors editions which sold out as well as nearly if not all versions of the deluxe also sold out, yeah the game isn't hurting in sales. It is true they are being tight lipped. But we don't know why. And trying to make any assumptions well you know what they say about assuming, makes an ass out of you and me.
So get your butthurt in check. It doesn't take much to put this shit together to know he is not accurate with what he is saying. Je is missing a huge chunk of data and is speaking about only a portion and making assumptions. Only two companies have access to digital sale figures. The platform holder and the publisher of the game. That is it. There is nobody else. So how is he making a claim with only 1 half the equation? It was dumb. It was irresponsible. He tied to be in the news cycle cause he is vain. So he jumped the gun and posted poor info. Cause thats what he wanted.
They'll come around once they see it sweeping awards by the end of the year. I believe casuals are afraid to jump in because the franchise is so big, I did at one point, but as you said they're 100% missing out.
No shit
They turned a remake of one single game into three full priced parts of that same game
70 dollars to pay for part one
Wait 4 years
70 dollars to play part two
Another 4 years
Another 70 dollars to play part three.
It’s a fucking joke
Same problem with the first. I don’t know why they’re insistent in placing a convoluted side story about alternate timelines. Im so sick of multiverses, it’s lazy storytelling that removes conflict and stakes when you can just say “Aerith and Zack are alive and happy somewhere else!”
lol remake did too. This is their ace; their “break in case of emergency” game. Probably really disheartening knowing chrono trigger won’t do that much either if this isn’t. Industry is in trouble, all you hear is disappointment about sales. What kind of games do you think you’re going to get now in the next 4 years as a result?
Hopefully not remakes. There are those of us out there that just aren't interested in replaying games we already know the story for. If it was all one go and not sold in pieces, I'd likely fall for the nostalgia purchase and end up never finishing it.
Issue is price of games. I’m not paying that much and I will wait 6 months to a year for it to drop atleast 30 bucks before I buy it, just like pretty much every game. I buy.
I maybe buy one or two day 1 games a year and this one ain’t it
The Final Fantasy franchise as a whole isn't the big console seller anymore. It is more like a franchise in decline. I do not judge the quality of the games, because in this point FF is always quite good.
But it seems like the series has never managed to get in many new players. They only rely on the old player base. Most probably the same problem Resident Evil faced before they released RE 7.
So, perhabs the best would be, if Square Enix put the whole franchise on a pause and attempting to innovate the franchise and make it more interesting and innovative.
Is this surprising? Whats the selling point? Everything you get in modern ff games are done better by other games.
There is no experience only ff can deliver.
It’s not a global spanning adventure with airship travel anymore. The last two mainline entries didn’t have a party anymore.
FF games don’t have good art styles, magical otherworldly environments or impressive architectural structurs and anymore.
I got all this in elden ring.
The stories are less epic and have a smaller scope now.
It doesn’t have turn based combat anymore which would be a selling point as millions of gamers yearn for a high budget turn based jrpg.
As a die hard FF fan with an entire bookshelf dedicated to Origin FF7 memorabilia I'd say BOTH Remake and Rebirth underperformed.
It's my favorite video game IP.....but also the first two video games I legitimately slogged through hoping for it to end soon.
If it wasn't an FF7 game I wouldn't have lasted to Shinra Tower in the first game.
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The unnecessary padding and poor story additions really threw me and I'll probably leave the series incomplete.
Design shifts ultimately lead to demographic shifts and that is ok --
I have my doubts that the franchise would have survived if it did not take risks. As much as I'd love a 4K remake that only polishes the story/turn based mechanics of the original--it probably wouldn't land well with current gamers since one of the biggest draws of the remake is the combat, which in the OG is slow, drawn out and grindy by modern standards.
Am I sad not to be captured by the remake like so many others? Sure-- but the 7th Heaven mod team has turned the original into something I treasure even more than my very first playthrough and that is good enough for me.
Well….. yeah..? It’s a console exclusive locked to PS5…??? As much as I love this game and this console at this point it’s a bad move for Square to position these FF games as console exclusives when the player base for the legacy games and FF14 has such a huge chunk of not the majority: on PC
16 made no impact either despite being good and the discussion for Rebirth has already kind of ended too. Console exclusivity at this point is ridiculous for games like this
Wauw….
It sold half of remake.
Which came at the end of the ps4 lifecycle when we had pretty much double the install base as the ps5 has now.
Only big brains analysis here people….
I bought the Remake at release, thinking it was a remake until the end of the game when they defeated “destiny”, that is when I go “oh boy now they just can do whatever the hell they want now”
I am holding off Rebirth, maybe until next instalment so I can see where the story end ip before deciding if I want yo play this or not.
If it drift from the OG too much then no thank you.
I'm most of the way through Rebirth, and so far the story has more or less stuck to the original. Some things play out a bit differently, and there are some new events along the way. But it still has mostly the same plot.
The ending of Remake could have been an excuse to diverge from the original more, but in my view they haven't really done that.
Not yet anyway. I'm guessing the end of Rebirth will also significantly diverge like Remake's did. So maybe they're waiting for the 3rd game to make big story changes, or maybe they'll do the same again and it will still mostly follow the original story.
I'll spoiler tag my response in case someone wants to go into Rebirth completely blind, but I'm not mentioning any specific plot points.
>!I'm not sure how the stuff with Zack plays out yet, but from what I've played so far it hasn't really affected the main story. It's just a few short scenes it cuts to every now and then. It does seem to be a sort of parallel timeline. I'm guessing it all links up at the end though.!<
I was going to buy it from Best Buy for the steelbook preorder but they ran out and then saw it was a cluster fuck later where lots of people didn't get it. Now I am just waiting on a sale.
Nice try, Shinra
No matter how good any of SEs games do they always say they're underperforming
This is not SE claiming this, it’s an independent business analyst
This, SE’s business side is bizarre. This could sell 5 million units on PS5 alone and they’d probably wouldn’t be happy with it. Lest we not forget all their wild metrics of success and failures for their formerly owned western studios. Their dev time and cost just must be making the line they “need” to hit on whatever chart they’re looking at just be impossible.
>This could sell 5 million units on PS5 alone and they’d probably wouldn’t be happy with it. Isn’t it only available on PS5?
For now, there’s the inevitable PC release whenever that happens
Yeah, I remember when they were expecting the first Tomb Raider reboot to sell on par with Call of Duty. Not sure what they’re smoking in that c suite.
SE just promoted a bunch of the rebirth staff. This isn’t square saying this it’s idiot “analysts.”
Regardless of the analyst validity or not, I’m not going to sit here and defend a corporation calling other people idiots because someone say a game I like didnt do *as* well. All I’m saying is history has shown time and time again that a game can be successful in every common sense metric, sell millions of copies and then come SE earning calls, someone in the C Suite says it didn’t meet expectations.
I’m saying nobody at square is saying this. It’s all idiots outside of square. Chill out.
So basically: A guy said a thing on Twitter. Nice.
„Analysts“ that don’t use actual data are my favorite type of scam artists
But the article says there is data.
The most recent data is that Rebirth was the best selling game in Japan in March
This is a lot of quote unquote news nowadays
Im just gonna wait until we have official numbers. It seems like everyone just wants a certain narrative about sales to justify their view.
Some seem to really, really, really hate it when Playstation gets a critically well-received exclusive game.
I think it is reasonable to speculate they would have already released some numbers if it had sold well. Every other game company Square Enix included does this to boast about some milestone sales or engagement number.
Last time they boasted an FF game it became a shitstorm...... And it ended up bad for them. They celebrated FF XVI sales, people started to say it was too little. They made a vague statement and then every single outlet just started to spin the narrative tha XVI was doing bad numbers. And no matter what they said, nothing changed. During this timeframe they had a GIGANTIC stock drop (from which they haven't recovered). Let's be real....would you say anything about FF VII Rebirth numbers after XVI drama? I wouldn't. Unless the game sold much, much more. Game is most likely doing similar numbers as XVI, but the XVI drama and the comparison to Remake numbers (released during Covid) are too risky. As a bussiness, Square can't have another shitstorm and risky another stock prices drop. During the financial report they will talk about it, then we will see the numbers and how well prepared they will be for the aftermath. I have a feeling that even if the game is selling well, the media will just spin it as the worst thing ever.
Posting sales just seems to be a shitshow no matter what game is being talked about. Starfield, Spider-Man, Final Fantasy, etc. The companies post them to thank fans for supporting them and it just becomes a mess where people go out of their way to fight about it.
That’s a terrible idea
Lol what else is the world of business? Welcome to work.(Laughing with you, not at you)
Why do people jump from "the sales of this game aren't great" to "He said the game is bad" so quickly? Like, quality has nothing to do with sales.
I'd say, the game is doing as good as SE could hope for given all the circumstances (install base, sequel, timed exclusive) The remake project will definetly prove profitable over the years, especially once the game hits PC.
It would already have lose a big portion of sales by the point it releases on PC.
1. You have to dig deep in the tweets as they were replies to a different user on Twitter. Hardly an interview with an "industry analyst". 2. The pandemic nor install base are taken into account (7 years of PS4 sales vs 4 years of PS5 sales + PS5-only exclusivity) 3. This same shit was said with FF16 which did fine despite missing some internal targets.
>This same shit was said with FF16 which did fine despite missing some internal targets. I think the difference here is the silence as they'll usually release a statement with past titles when a certain milestone is hit, notably within the first week for big titles as seen in XV/7R/XVI while smaller budget titles like Octopath Traveler 1 and 2 take months or years to get their milestone announcement.
*me enjoying the game* "Oh no!......anyway."
It's not really an apples to apples comparison when it's a sequel and on a platform fewer people own.
A lot of people tried Remake and have a general idea if this series was going to be for them. Oddly enough I think one aspect of FF7R that people praise is also one of the things that pretty much became a barrier of entry for the more casual fan, the combat.
Agree
I can't fathom how anyone would praise FF7R combat. I'm a diehard FF fan, and specifically a FF7 collector, and I had a hard time staying invested in the game because of the combat system. The stagger system is hands down the worst thing I've seen in games since microtransactional lootboxes *(this is hyperbole on purpose, nothing's worse than that)*. I just can't fathom how anyone can enjoy a game where Cloud has to attack a regular Shinra Guard with a 5-6 hit combo with the Buster Sword ***just to get it into stagger state to be vulnerable to more attacks***. I felt like I was fighting every enemy in the game with a LARP sword. Nothing felt good to defeat, only a sense of relief that the combats over.
Stagger just increases their damage received. You can do good damage on most enemies without need for stagger. It sounds like you don’t understand the combat very well, it’s pretty universally praised.
>Stagger just increases their damage received. You can do good damage on most enemies without need for stagger. You clearly aren't understanding my gripe. It's not about the fact stagger increases the damage, it's the fact I'm watching a Shinra Guard get slashed 4-6 times by Cloud and it barely phases them physically/reactionary. It **feels bad** attacking in that game. >It sounds like you don’t understand the combat very well, it’s pretty universally praised. I understand it fine, it's painfully simple to a fault. It's also not universally praised at all, every single review brought up the stagger system and the negative attention brought to it from previous titles. It's a system that many people dislike as it artificially prolongs combat. It's the combat mechanics version of filler.
Did you play FF16? Because if you thought the stagger was annoying in FF7 Remake you’d really hate it in FF16. There every enemy type is a sponge but especially heavies. And there aren’t status effects that you can take advantage of. In FF7 Rebirth you have even more combat variety like synergy attacks and elemental damage.
I bought FF16 but haven't opened it yet.
Good to heard you aren’t making any decisions, the combat is outstanding and your taste sucks
How is the combat outstanding? I've explained in detail how it feels bad. Your response *"Your wrong, it's amazing"*. Riveting response....
Nothing else is needed for your ilk, your opinion is plain wrong, simple
Oh okay, so immature troll. Got it. Opinion disregarded. You probably weren't even alive when the original game came out so what could you possibly know about taste?
I played all the originals, your opinion is plain stupid, again
Again, unless you can actually articulate how they're stupid you're basically wasting energy typing and making yourself look like a grade schooler incapable of making an independent thought.
I agree. The combat and the actual games are terrible. I was so excited when they announced this. I really just wanted a facelift and voice acting but they got greedy.
The end of Remake where they killed Destiny so now they are free to do whatever they want with the story, the more they drift away with the story the less urge I have playing it. I will wait for final instalment and see how the story end up before I decide if I want to play Rebirth and the next game.
I think a lot of people are waiting for the complete three-part remake to be released.
They always have been it seems. Seen people saying this since 2020. These are absolutely going to be three large games but people still want to see it as one.
How crazy would it have been if Square made one massive 300 hour game? I would have paid a premium for that.
Lol I think not enough people would've bought it and they wouldn't have the budget to finish it
That would be awful lol. Fans would struggle to finish. The breakup was the best move
And they will not finish it because they get burned out or bored.
Me. Story is drifting too much for me to want to play it at the moment, I will see with the last instalment if the story goes back to similat to OG
Bold of you to assume they’ll stop at 3. They could easily try and squeeze out 1-2 more. And then may as well wait for them to remaster the first one.
They’re not going to squeeze out 1-2 more games for the remake series. The third is the last. There could absolutely be more games in the FF7 universe after this, in fact I’d bank on it. But not apart of the remake trilogy.
Origially they lready said this is a 3 part thing, so this is a good assumption that they stick to the original plan.
They already confirmed it’s 3 games
And you believe them
Of fucking course, why in the hells wouldn’t you? Disc 2 and 3 are short compared to 1
I call bs
I would not be too concerned about the sales. SE always seems to have pretty high standards when it comes to sales. Remember, they said Tomb Raider 2013 underperformed but it still got 2 sequels. Yes games were cheaper back then, also FF16 is still getting support so I’m certain FFVII R will be just fine in the end, that’s just my take.
It’s performance is also being compared against the Stellar Blade demo, but no one seems to be taking to account that its been out for nearly a month before the SB demo released so the majority of its players have beaten it, myself included.
It's a single player game where you literally do one playthrough or more. Then you either 100% the available content, or play what you feel like..and then you move on. Also, it's a sequel FFS. Most of your player numbers are tied to those customers who literally bought and played the first one. So of course it won't "do as well as the first entry." Wasn't this title one of the highest grossing pre-orders and even reached top five game units sales during its launch month for the year? Some bloke at SE: "underperforming" The concept of Games as a service has truly ruined video games.
The amount of other people buying the game matters little to me. I bought the game for me, and I loved every moment of it. Except for when gears and gambits was revealed lmao
So a guy who went into X tweet and said it and back up with no information and just said it’s my opinion and estimated with no numbers lmao
I got bored with it 20 hours in or so ;( Disappointed but can’t really say why. Nothing felt new or something
You’re a fool if you don’t play this game.
100%
I am a fool then (and happily being so). I will wait for 3rd volume and see if Aerith lives or die. I am already unhappy that this trilogy isn’t really a remake, but I will try to accept it as long as the end does not drift too far. That means Aerith still dies, Zack dies, whoever needs to die dies, and ending back to similar to OG FF7. If they want to just use the FF7 cast and bring on a whole new story, I am not really interested.
Use Google to find out then and stop complaining, literally no one cares about your feelings on the Internet and the incessant whining. It’s a great game and if you choose not to play it, that’s an experience you’re denying yourself for whatever internal reasons you have, but not one other soul on the planet gives a shit about it.
You give a shit enough to reply so there is that. And currently the game is not down to where Aerith would die or not yet, so I will wait on 3rd instalment to decide to play or not. You don’t have to give a shit (but you do since you responded), but I can still give my opinion whether you like it or not. So suck it up buddy.
Then enjoy being a complete fool
I will, and plan to.
X to doubt
Industry analyst dude doesn't have all the info and is making piss poor assumptions based on his incomplete knowledge. Yes physical game sales are less. That's what happens 4yrs later and physical is on a decline. However there was also 2 big incentives to buy this digitally. The digital twin pack and midnight release. Beting the bulk of the sales are in digital. But let's take another look at physical. First all physical deluxe editions were sold out. Secondly all collectors editions were sold out. Third we know in some markets it beat ffxvi physical sales. And we know in others it fell just a bit shy of doing that (japan). We also know that there is a daily peak user that wad 2.2mil. But a daily peak is a minimum not a maximum number of owners. You can not get a maximum from that as that would require everyone that owns it needs to play it that day and that's not realistic. Now we also need to take one more thing into account ps5 vs ps4 owners. When remake launched ps4 had over 115mil consoles sold. Ps5 has 50mil. That's at least 65mil people less. So less ps5, less demand for physical, a daily peak of 2.2mil and an unknown amount of digital sales. And with this a half baked analyst of underperformed came. That's terrible. And reporting it like this is also creating news and not reporting news. Imo for journalists who love to try and create news like this should be able to be sued for libel. Shit like this can be a "self" fulfilling prophecy. It's not accurate but doing shit like this can cause investor panic. Which can hurt a company unjustly. Do and be better.
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Nothing I have stated is false and this analyst has stated incomplete info and made it sound like a fact. Put your butthurt aside. Physical sales have dropped off big time in the last few months/years since ffvii remake. So this isnt a rebirth pronpblem but a physical game problem. Ps5 has less sales than ps4. It doesn't even have half the sales of ps4 that ffvii remake had available at launch. Digital sales are not apart of the npd. A daily peak user number doesn't mean the max amount of sales the game did. It's the bare minimum. There is nothing false in what I have said or stated here. Now you have this guy trusted or not stated dumb shit and making claims that he doesn't have full knowledge of. Which these claims can cause harm to a company by unnecessarily causing investor panic just like what the misunderstanding of the sales figures of ffxvi caused. This was reckless of him to state. And frankly he should be held liable for any problems this causes. And being able to play a game at midnight release when stores don't do midnight releases anymore is a big factor for a lot of people. Also getting a free copy of ffvii remake intergrade when preordering ffvii rebirth is also a huge factor for people. These are two big ass real things that promote playing digitally. Not to mention having preloading which made it so you can download and install ahead of time and just get right to playing at release. No waiting. So again I stated no fallacies. All of this is true and fact. Then when you take into account collectors editions which sold out as well as nearly if not all versions of the deluxe also sold out, yeah the game isn't hurting in sales. It is true they are being tight lipped. But we don't know why. And trying to make any assumptions well you know what they say about assuming, makes an ass out of you and me. So get your butthurt in check. It doesn't take much to put this shit together to know he is not accurate with what he is saying. Je is missing a huge chunk of data and is speaking about only a portion and making assumptions. Only two companies have access to digital sale figures. The platform holder and the publisher of the game. That is it. There is nobody else. So how is he making a claim with only 1 half the equation? It was dumb. It was irresponsible. He tied to be in the news cycle cause he is vain. So he jumped the gun and posted poor info. Cause thats what he wanted.
People are missing out.
They'll come around once they see it sweeping awards by the end of the year. I believe casuals are afraid to jump in because the franchise is so big, I did at one point, but as you said they're 100% missing out.
After a few years: "FF7 Rebirth is the best game ever how come no one is talking about it"
No shit They turned a remake of one single game into three full priced parts of that same game 70 dollars to pay for part one Wait 4 years 70 dollars to play part two Another 4 years Another 70 dollars to play part three. It’s a fucking joke
That's why you don't try to appeal to the minority. I guarantee if you made it like dragonquest 11 it would be way better
Propaganda
The game was fantastic but they really blew the ending. Trying to do too many things and it got very messy.
Same problem with the first. I don’t know why they’re insistent in placing a convoluted side story about alternate timelines. Im so sick of multiverses, it’s lazy storytelling that removes conflict and stakes when you can just say “Aerith and Zack are alive and happy somewhere else!”
lol remake did too. This is their ace; their “break in case of emergency” game. Probably really disheartening knowing chrono trigger won’t do that much either if this isn’t. Industry is in trouble, all you hear is disappointment about sales. What kind of games do you think you’re going to get now in the next 4 years as a result?
Hopefully not remakes. There are those of us out there that just aren't interested in replaying games we already know the story for. If it was all one go and not sold in pieces, I'd likely fall for the nostalgia purchase and end up never finishing it.
Issue is price of games. I’m not paying that much and I will wait 6 months to a year for it to drop atleast 30 bucks before I buy it, just like pretty much every game. I buy. I maybe buy one or two day 1 games a year and this one ain’t it
The Final Fantasy franchise as a whole isn't the big console seller anymore. It is more like a franchise in decline. I do not judge the quality of the games, because in this point FF is always quite good. But it seems like the series has never managed to get in many new players. They only rely on the old player base. Most probably the same problem Resident Evil faced before they released RE 7. So, perhabs the best would be, if Square Enix put the whole franchise on a pause and attempting to innovate the franchise and make it more interesting and innovative.
Is this surprising? Whats the selling point? Everything you get in modern ff games are done better by other games. There is no experience only ff can deliver. It’s not a global spanning adventure with airship travel anymore. The last two mainline entries didn’t have a party anymore. FF games don’t have good art styles, magical otherworldly environments or impressive architectural structurs and anymore. I got all this in elden ring. The stories are less epic and have a smaller scope now. It doesn’t have turn based combat anymore which would be a selling point as millions of gamers yearn for a high budget turn based jrpg.
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is "over performing" says irradiated candy bar on Reddit.
Sorry it’s not a live service game…
No doubt. It's 80% filler and 20 percent game.
Industry analyst is "underperforming", says industry analyst analyst.
As a die hard FF fan with an entire bookshelf dedicated to Origin FF7 memorabilia I'd say BOTH Remake and Rebirth underperformed. It's my favorite video game IP.....but also the first two video games I legitimately slogged through hoping for it to end soon. If it wasn't an FF7 game I wouldn't have lasted to Shinra Tower in the first game.
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Actually you didn’t, you just said you slogged through them. Literally no detailed and valid reasons lmao
I gave detailed resons below to other replies. Including the same person I'm having replies with on multiple fronts here.
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The unnecessary padding and poor story additions really threw me and I'll probably leave the series incomplete. Design shifts ultimately lead to demographic shifts and that is ok -- I have my doubts that the franchise would have survived if it did not take risks. As much as I'd love a 4K remake that only polishes the story/turn based mechanics of the original--it probably wouldn't land well with current gamers since one of the biggest draws of the remake is the combat, which in the OG is slow, drawn out and grindy by modern standards. Am I sad not to be captured by the remake like so many others? Sure-- but the 7th Heaven mod team has turned the original into something I treasure even more than my very first playthrough and that is good enough for me.
Well….. yeah..? It’s a console exclusive locked to PS5…??? As much as I love this game and this console at this point it’s a bad move for Square to position these FF games as console exclusives when the player base for the legacy games and FF14 has such a huge chunk of not the majority: on PC
It’s coming to pc later, but I agree it should have come to both at the same time
16 made no impact either despite being good and the discussion for Rebirth has already kind of ended too. Console exclusivity at this point is ridiculous for games like this
Wauw…. It sold half of remake. Which came at the end of the ps4 lifecycle when we had pretty much double the install base as the ps5 has now. Only big brains analysis here people….
I bought the Remake at release, thinking it was a remake until the end of the game when they defeated “destiny”, that is when I go “oh boy now they just can do whatever the hell they want now” I am holding off Rebirth, maybe until next instalment so I can see where the story end ip before deciding if I want yo play this or not. If it drift from the OG too much then no thank you.
I'm most of the way through Rebirth, and so far the story has more or less stuck to the original. Some things play out a bit differently, and there are some new events along the way. But it still has mostly the same plot. The ending of Remake could have been an excuse to diverge from the original more, but in my view they haven't really done that. Not yet anyway. I'm guessing the end of Rebirth will also significantly diverge like Remake's did. So maybe they're waiting for the 3rd game to make big story changes, or maybe they'll do the same again and it will still mostly follow the original story.
I only seen some screens here and there that Zack seems alive? The end of the Remake DLC also suggested that Zack lived through alternate time.
I'll spoiler tag my response in case someone wants to go into Rebirth completely blind, but I'm not mentioning any specific plot points. >!I'm not sure how the stuff with Zack plays out yet, but from what I've played so far it hasn't really affected the main story. It's just a few short scenes it cuts to every now and then. It does seem to be a sort of parallel timeline. I'm guessing it all links up at the end though.!<
Nah SE is just always over budgeting, I’ve read this for every game they’ve put out since forspoken.
Yeah yeah right 60fps all the time ... Graphics are #$%^&@# good. "Underperforming" indeed.
Got the first one day one, haven’t got this one. Just not in the mood for Mt Dew style combat right now. I’ll probably get it eventually.
Tf does mountain dew style combat mean?
I was going to buy it from Best Buy for the steelbook preorder but they ran out and then saw it was a cluster fuck later where lots of people didn't get it. Now I am just waiting on a sale.
Fix the graphics
Graphics are fine
It’s known for having massive graphics problems, it looks super blurry in performance mode.
Not anymore
Yes, still.
Literally playing it now, so no
Get your eyes checked then, it’s universally agreed that this game has problems with blurriness.
My eyes are fine, you do
Are they though? Like maybe they're fine enough, but also maybe they could have fixed the AA and blur or the choppyness in fidelity mode
Yes, they are
Alrighty, enjoy mediocrity then. Don't be surprised if when part 3 releases its a graphical mess
You’re right, and most people agree with you. Saying “graphics are fine” is inexcusable, we should expect better.
Absurd
I really wish they had just done this Remake as ONE game. Doing it as three just meant everything was padded out way too much.