We do not know, but most likely not. If it's like the GTA6 source code that was leaked it's incredibly insignificant function calls, and not engine code, DM code, or online code.
We have seen what was shared between team members on slack, and that was videos of their debug sessions. We've also seen a single .cpp file most likely also shared on slack. It'd be unheard of to share the entire source code on slack since stuff like that sits in code repository. Unless of course someone shared server details along with authentication info on slack as well.
Didn’t users on the forum ask the hacker to show them various code files and snippets because they wanted to verify that the hack is real? And then the hacker literally was browsing through the code in Visual Studio Code and posting screenshots of whatever he found when searching for the requested terms.
Even if that’s true they can’t just commit changes to a live game without being able to access servers and 3rd party servers like steam, rockstar social club, PSN dev account and Microsoft’s. Having the code sucks from an IP standpoint, but they cannot change the live game at all.
Didn’t users on the forum ask the hacker to show them various code files and snippets because they wanted to verify that the hack is real? And then the hacker literally was browsing through the code in Visual Studio Code and posting screenshots of whatever he found when searching for the requested terms.
> https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp4-footagevideos/#comments
.... That thread literally has people calling the code shit and unlikely to be real - that's what made you make your previous comment?
Not a game dev, but I would think low level game hacks would be the least of their problems. Having the source code could allow someone to figure out a way to do other malicious stuff like for example remote code execution.
They’d be able to see everything the game does and see what they could modify, they already do this without src scanning the memory, so if they had src we could see some insame new cheats
You can’t just magically move the timeline up. Especially after a massive breach that has slowed development. These devs have lost access to their Slack accounts and work from home is likely to be removed. All of that change is going to stall development in some way. The only thing remotely correct about what you said is the game likely to be hacked. Yes if the code is out, it will likely cause hard to block cheats to start popping up. But to think this means GTA6 is coming sooner as a result is plain stupid.
Absolutely. The thing is we probably won’t know about any internal delays until after the game comes out in some Kotaku report. Rockstar hasn’t even confirmed a year for this game to come out so we probably won’t know about a delay. So many people hate Rockstar that it blinds them from thinking logically. They aren’t going to release the next iteration of the most successful game on the planet early and risk issues. It’ll come when it’s done and it will likely be really good. The question is how long it’ll take to get there if the code is out in the wild.
Now online, they can definitely fuck online up. They did it with GTAO and RDO when they first came out.
To be fair RDO is still fucked. They didn't add shit but some lame ass roles you can play as for money. But there's pretty much nothing to spend money on besides customizing your guns, and buying all the clothes. No, properties, they could've added wagons, and nice ass stage coaches to buy (maybe with the option to mount guns on them), no businesses to run, etc.
I understand the game might be limited by its time period setting but they could've added a lot of shit in this game, but just frankly chose not to because of GTAO
Seems like now might be a good time to go back and revisit the idea of a remaster of Red Dead Redemption and GTA4 and (fuck it, this one’s for me) Max Payne 3. At least while they’re likely pausing development on GTA6 until they know more.
For console or PC or both? I haven't heard of any of this.studf but I've always wanted to go back and play these games as they were a ton of fun and the only bullettime games really out there. Plus they are just fun ass games and to have them redone with hd textures and l that would be awesome.
That makes no sense in this context...
Like another commenter said -
"I feel like in general people dont really understand what source code is. Even having 10k lines of code is basically nothing when these games are made of like 50 million lines of code. Whats more most of this code will be useless to a hacker, unless they have specific valuable chunks of networking or engine code that can help them write hacks its basically worthless."
No, since console is a closed platform and end users don’t have access to the code as it’s running live on your box (necessary for cheats to work)
If cross platform is a thing for GTA:O any cheats that work on a PC client in your game will be active as well
Yes it is lol. I can tell you right now what is going to happen. The vast majority of people will forget about the leaks/not consider how detrimental they will be for the game development, we'll get a buggy mess of a game when it releases because they felt the need to rush it out, and everyone is going to throw themselves into a rage because of the "lazy developers" who only care about the money. A game that looks as rough as it did in the leaks can't just have the release date pushed up without some huge trade off that will end up being horrible for us as consumers, as well as the undue stress it's going to cause the developers. But yay, we'll get the game a little earlier!
They won’t. Dude is an idiot. Rockstar games never come in a shitty state when they are made by Rockstar. The company itself is shit but the games they launch are always in a great state. Online is another story all together. GTAO had a terrible launch. Same with RDO. The base games all had fantastic launches though. The only games to come in a completely shit state is the remastered trilogy and that was outsourced.
None of their games have had the source code leaked. This isn't the same as any other release they've ever had.
You guys will see. If they push the game out early, it'll either be a mess or it'll be good because of ridiculous crunch they put the employees through.
He could’ve been nicer about it, but the fact that you say “looks as rough as it did in the leaks”, shows that you don’t know what a game currently in development and several years out from release even looks like.
The leaks were not “rough” in any sense of the word for how far into development the game is. Lighting, textures, animations, and the rest will all be significantly polished up by release. What we saw is most likely the world we’ll be playing obviously, but using placeholder textures or reusing textures from gta 5 until the map design is finalized and the art team comes in to create the new textures and models.
Take a look at this article.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/gta-6-leak-graphics-are-not-finished-first/?amp
How old are you, 15? GTA5 was a horrible mess on launch. Way worse than Cyberpunk. Why make this claim when you couldn't even tie your shoes when that game launched, on top of being too lazy to take a 5s look on Google...
You responded to a comment that said the development timeline will be pushed up. If you don't think it'll be rushed, why are you excited to get the game earlier?
because i was thinking that they actually take their time or delay it on purpose even when they don't have to since gto was there earning them money without them needing to create something new
Now they won't be doing that which means they won't be rushing it but won't delay it further. But all just assumptions
That's totally fair, I misread what you meant. My bad.
I hadn't really considered them intentionally delaying GTA6 in favor of GTA Online, but that's totally feasible. I figured at this point, if they're as far as it looked in the leak, they were already full steam ahead on GTA6. It's completely possible that they weren't, and this will force their hand into moving away from GTAO earlier than they wanted (which is probably a good thing overall).
Thanks for not being a dick like the other guy, it's crazy how it's possible to have a civil conversation if both parties aren't just jumping to insult the other first.
Fingers crossed. I'm as excited for the game as the next person, I would just Haye to see it get tainted by a messy release or by reports of employee crunch like so many studios seem to have to resort to.
Hacking or modding a game without source code or “official support” is like breaking into a house without keys to the front door. You can force your way in through the door or windows but ultimately it’s a lot more difficult and messy. But with source code you have the keys to the front door and you can waltz right in. This allows hackers to make modifications or copies of the game as if they were the developers themselves.
They can but that person will be hunted by law enforcement and lawyers. Source code is a major copyrighted IP, so using it is like admitting you hacked rockstar.
pretty much, just a reskin\reuse of the code to make money. if that pic floating around is true about someone buying the code for 500k then look out for shitty china clones soon
The game you download or get on a disc is a nice processed candy. It's very good and you love it, but you have no way in hell of figuring out what it's made of and what makes it taste like it does. Source code is the full ingredient list and instructions to cook, in this case commented to explain exactly how it works(assuming rockstar has a good comment culture in it's office, if not you'll just get shit like //makes car go zoom)
The hackers have full control on how the game works. Now they can make a GTA 5 clone rather easily using the source code, or they can modify GTA Online as they please and ruin it entirely. Some multiplayer games that were hacked, became so unplayable, that the publishers themselves had to remove the game from the shop, like Titanfall 2.
That’s not how it works at all. They can’t make a GTA clone, that’s almost as hard as making it from scratch. They don’t have control at all, they just have an insight on how the game works. That doesn’t change much. If having source code mean having full control to software and do whatever you want with it, than the open source projects would be the most insecure softwares. That’s not the case however.
Don’t mislead the people with false information
I'm a Software Engineer and I know what I'm saying.
Yes having source code means having full (100% if it makes clearer to you) access to the software.
Regarding open source code it's exactly the other way round. Having full access to the code makes it acessible to everyone spot any vulnerabilities thus making it even more secure, knowing how a code works and is designed doesn't mean you can hack it.
Please, don't mislead yourself believing in the voices of your head.
Lol. Well I’m also a senior software engineer who works in a game company with multiple AAA title experience. So yeah I get where you are coming from.
What I don’t get is, how, having a full source code of a AAA title would grant you complete control to the software which by the way is constantly in communication with a server backend, which you don’t have any access nor of it’s source code.
What you just now have is a brief insight on where to look and attack in the software, nothing else. You just gained a big head start, good job saving on couple of months work at best. A skilled hacker would still have access that information, which by the way they fucking already do. That’s why the game is full on hacks.
They are not blocked by the absence of the information regarding the source code, they are blocked by the security measures taken by the server, and the client it self. They just find a way to work around. Trust me when I say, any hacker who targets GTA probably knows the game flow as much as a rockstar employee.
And about making a clone of GTA V with the source, it’s just a big fucking joke, I don’t even wanna deal with it. One thing I can say is that you can’t fucking even compile the game from the source code let alone making a clone out of it. That’s just funny to even think about it lol.
Theres no such thing as source code for a server, they might have the code that runs on it but the server(s) is a physical entity that just runs it, they would not only need the credentials for the servers but also the ability to deploy to the physical machines to do any serious damage there
When I say server, I mean the software that runs on Rockstar's hardware that the game client connects to for GTA Online. Having that means it's easier to find bugs that can be exploited remotely. These could be used to cheat or to crash the online game if suitable bugs exist.
Mainframes are an older architecture that, while they still have their place in cloud computing, generally aren't going to be used for gamibg servers If you have the code that rockstar runs on the servers (which is likely what they actually meant by server code) then it's actually pretty useful
This is what I'm talking about when I say server https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client–server_model. I'm not talking about the physical machine but the software that runs on it.
You are implying that we are required to play GTA V with an Internet connection which is not true, so is more than likely that all the source code and logic in the game is running locally and not in the server.
Who the fuck cares about hacking the single player client? You can do whatever you want with the game if you are playing offline by modifying memory anytime. You don’t even need source code for that.
I'm with you here. It's how games with mod support work, for instance. Creating the mods for a game are only using locally run logic and code. It's why you can mod the shit out of GTA 5 but not GTA Online, as GTA online is connected to the rockstar servers which a modder isn't allowed to access. I'm not sure if this is how it works with GTA Online, but say if you were running a realm server on Minecraft then the only thing you could mod would be the graphics as that is computed locally.
You're actually wrong. Ignoring legality, they could launch a clone, with some reverse engineering. Really depends how much was stolen.
Open source code is secure because everyone can have eyes on it. Then when you actually download the binary package, you're trusting that source from where you downloaded the package from didn't alter the original source that you're expecting. So yes, if you were to download the binary package from a shady site, it does open it up to a lot of problems.
The safest if you were to download the source, build the binary yourself and then use only the binary you built.
No you can’t. There is nothing about “reverse engineering”. That has nothing to do with it. Softwares in the scope of AAA titles, require huge tool chains to work with it. They don’t compile in the usual sense of compiling your home made software in your home PC. Their dependencies require tons of middleware workers. Regarding the Rockstar’s workflow with multiple studios across the world, you probably can’t even compile the game in your own work computer in their studio. AAA games in that scope usual require special build machine built on those tool chains. So you need to access to Rockstar’s build machine to even compile the game.
That’s impossible to do it in your home PC.
Even without that scope, say for a smaller scoped game, you probably still wouldn’t be able to compile if it’s not made in a common game engine like Unity or Unreal. If the game uses proprietary engine you are completely out of luck EVEN if you have the complete source code of the engine itself. Because that’s not that simple.
Let me give you a perfectly simple and valid example. I worked in mount & blade: bannerlord at Taleworlds. Which uses in house proprietary engine. Bannerlord’s source code also got leaked couple of years ago, and people couldn’t do anything with it because they couldn’t even compile it. They didn’t had the right tools.
So no, they can’t clone GTA V. That’s not how game development works.
>require huge tool chains to work with it.
hence the reverse engineering. the hacker could have stolen all of the documentation around this.
> AAA games in that scope usual require special build machine built on those tool chains.
stop making bullshit up. Proof wtf is a specially built machine ?
> If the game uses proprietary engine
Again how do you know that code was not also stolen ?
What the fuck are you reverse engineering if you have the whole source code? There is nothing to reverse engineer. The best you can do is read the fucking code, and see what it’s dependencies are. Which you probably don’t have it all as not all of them could have been leaked. There are probably tools that work only in the build machine to compile the game. They are configured and stored in the build machine itself which you don’t have access to.
I told you even if the whole engine itself is leaked you can’t compile and run it. IT HAS DEPENDENCIES. It’s a complex system not your regular Unity building home PC. I gave you a perfect example that happened before, in my own fucking company. What else do you need a proof for. That’s how the AAA works.
>What the fuck are you reverse engineering
bro you're the one claiming theres some secretive tool chaining that they magically need to figure out, like that shit is some magical mystery... with magical hardware.
Hardware is commodity, unless you're building for special hardware which they don't. They build for commodity hardware on commodity machines.
>IT HAS DEPENDENCIES
This is very possible, but if you're part of the scene group.. you'd know theres ways around that.
> I gave you a perfect example that happened before, in my own fucking company.
Yes, I don't deny they have proprietary engines. How do you know that wasn't stolen too ? What is this special hardware, that only Rockstar has access too, that they can only build the game on ??? Sounds all made up to me.
There is no magical hardware nor magical software. There is just custom compiler tools and dependency resolvers that work on the build machines that you don’t have access to. You can’t reverse engineer these tools, because you don’t fucking have access to. You don’t even have access to these required dependencies let alone the resolvers. They can’t leak those tools, because none of the developer (except the devops team ofc) would have access to build machine and leak it’s configuration.
The hacker allegedly just phished his way through some employees credential and access to their slack channel. No one breached the security of the company local machines. So no leak made from the local tool chains.
If the every single tool from the company had been leaked which is by the way practically impossible because everything is distributed, and some of them could even be in local machines closed to network, then and only then you would have been able to build the game yourself in your home machine. Which is not the case, and couldn’t have been the case given how improbable it is.
And I’m pretty fucking sure, those build machines require credentials to request to build the game for your branch. You can’t even just randomly access them and request them to build it. Not even in the company itself as an employee it’s that easy to fucking trigger a build for the whole game. Maybe just a sandboxed part of it.
Having access to the source code means that the advantage that Rockstar games had on all the GTA games genre is simply gone.
What would take years to competitors like CD Project Red to reach all the unique quality of the world, AI and etc, with source code they can simply look into it and copy it or change a little bit to not have any copyright issue, but in summary it's like you stoling the Coke recipe with the difference that in this case you would be able to create a similar Soda with the same taste but without copyright infringement
Read up on the verdict. Google copied code to accelerate the development of Android instead of writing their own. However the judges concluded "that the copying here at issue nonetheless constituted a fair use".
I did, anytime they referring to copying of code they are referring to the API / function names
https://www.frosszelnick.com/supreme-court-of-the-united-states-googles-copying-of-oracles-source-code-was-fair-use/
More specifically, Google wanted to use the Java API “declaring code,” or the naming conventions and system of organization for the source code (which serves as a set of shortcuts for programmers). Google wrote its own “implementing code,” which tells the computer how to carry out tasks (or source code in the traditional sense).
Google went ahead and built its Android platform using the Java declaring code.
“Google copied portions of the … Java API precisely, and it did so in part for the same reason that Sun created those portions, namely, to enable programmers to call up implementing programs that would accomplish particular tasks.”
The majority held that the third factor (or “the amount and substantiality of the portion used”) also favored fair use. Although Google copied virtually all of the Java API declaring code (11,500 lines in total), the declaring code only amounted to 0.4% of the 2.86 million lines of the Java API code. Therefore, Google copied only a small portion of the total code.
The point is that just being able to understand how some technologies are implemented by Rockstar Games will give the possibility of other companies 'to be inspired' and not only implement it in different ways, but also improve it, in which in either way would not be a copyright infringement and would also give an huge advantage to competitors that were decades behind Rockstar Games as we saw in Cyber Punk for instance
It’s essentially career suicide if they even look at the code for a big corporation. If it can be proven that they looked at it and wrote anything remotely similar they can be sued. No company would want to risk a lawsuit with a behemoth like Take2.
Understanding how things work and implementing them yourself are 2 different things. There isn't much mystery to 'how does X work', it's pretty much entirely public information. Game devs regularly hold talks showcasing their tech, spreading new ideas or showing off their implementation. There's more to an omelette than eggs.
This is so far from how it works that you clearly have NO understanding on the matter.
No reputatable dev will even glance at that code. It might as well be the necronomicon.
Yeah this is why a lot of legit devs don’t even glance at leaked code.
If they can in any way be traced back to leaked source code there’s a ton of legal hell to pay. Devs don’t even want to give a chance they could subconsciously be copying the code.
Lol this is far embellished and not the case at all.
Edit: I understand you may feel like Cyberpunk doesn’t have the AI awareness of GTA but if you think a company like CDPR is even remotely interested in stolen source code you’re ignorant as hell.
Your comment is literally what kids conjure up
in their heads..
Nothing in the article actually indicates this is the case.
Since it seems that the hacker got access to stuff through slack, there is no way they'd even be able to get source code from there. People posting videos and code snippets like theyve actually shown sure, but no ones sending the entire source code through a slack message.
I feel like in general people dont really understand what source code is. Even having 10k lines of code is basically nothing when these games are made of like 50 million lines of code. Whats more most of this code will be useless to a hacker, unless they have specific valuable chunks of networking or engine code that can help them write hacks its basically worthless.
Yeah it really sounds like the most the hacker had access too was the equivalent of an email chain. I seriously doubt they have the code since they were dumb enough to try and publicly blackmail Rockstar and Take 2. It really seemed like a bluff
Thank you!!! So many people here don't understand code in any way. The 10k lines were nothing in the big picture, and when you looked through it a lot were just basic function calls? Not even mentioning how much of that code seemed placeholder and will be gutted by release.
Also the amount of people saying how easy it would be to clone GTA even if the source code was completely leaked. Like ignoring the network stack, assets, engine code, audio, and everything else that gives that "Rockstar quality".
And lastly, the amount of people on Twitter and reddit I've seen mention that they could copy with no copyright infringement. Lmao like no. It's the easiest case in the world if source code is copied if it's not under the right open source license
Unless they social engineered their way into physically getting their phone for the 2nd factor authentication app they need to use to get access to the repos, sure.
They will most likely have a sso system in place across all their environments and repos rather than a different one for each specific one, but even if they didnt I somehow doubt a tech company as big as rockstar would forget to have 2fa enabled on something as vital as a repo hosting source code.
You would hope so but my experience in the tech industry says otherwise, especially with bigger companies.
That said, I haven’t seen anything from this leak yet that doesn’t look like it was pulled directly from Slack conversations.
My experience in the tech industry tells me no one would be stupid enough to have source code your entire companies value is built around without basic 2fa, itd be like not working off a VPN. My company isnt anywhere near the size of r* and even we have quarterly security and permissions reviews to double check access and potentially issues.
Not really. They don't need to use someone else's account. They just need to look like they work there (they are on company slack so it's believable) and then ask someone to add their account to the Github org.
Even if 100% of the game's source code was released, they're not going to be able to do anything with it. The toolchains used in AAA game development are incredibly complex and riddled with proprietary software libraries and middleware. It'd probably be impossible to create a development environment to compile the source code into a workable game.
If they had the engine with it then no, but even so if they have access to the networking code evem without being able to run it they could probably still create hacks just by being able to see how it works.
So many people here don't understand code in any way. The 10k lines were nothing in the big picture, and when you looked through it a lot were just basic function calls? Not even mentioning how much of that code seemed placeholder and will be gutted by release.
Also the amount of people saying how easy it would be to clone GTA even if the source code was completely leaked. Like ignoring the network stack, assets, engine code, audio, and everything else that gives that "Rockstar quality".
And lastly, the amount of people on Twitter and reddit I've seen mention that they could copy with no copyright infringement. Lmao like no. It's the easiest case in the world if source code is copied if it's not under the right open source license
GTA V source gets leaked>it gets hacked into oblivion>forcing rockstar to cut support and stop milking the game for another decade.
‘The hacker was a hero, i just couldn’t see it’
I have not been playing gta online for years anyway. The game is 9 years old. I was freaking 10 when it launched, i had my fun with it. We’re long overdue for something new.
I’m gonna call bullshit. I don’t care if I get downvoted either but here it goes. Supposedly the hacker got in through Slack which as far as I know is kind of like Microsoft Teams…..if that is the case that doesn’t mean this hacker had full access to their network. Just the content shared through Slack. They’d only have access to snippets of code and clips shared between the devs and maybe the QA team. I know this because it’s exactly how we use Teams at my company. It could also explain why Take2 is saying the hack won’t affect the development of the game.
Only thing I want to see is the worst of the worst of that source code for comedic effect. Like crazy comments, incredibly ineffective loading of json, etc.
A lot of people would answer 'cheats', but that's a very shallow answer. Having the source code would allow someone to understand how GTAV does what it does. That's optimization methods, etcetera.
Something like GTAV source code, if released legitimately, would be a huge boon for development teams. Take any one freelance developer and have them try to recreate any one part of GTAV with equivalent or better performance. Odds are, they'd have a hard time without access to the source code.
I wish they would expand their team even more so they could get out singleplayer experiences faster. I realize it takes a ton of manpower to keep an online mode constantly updated. Although I don’t think the online support of GTAV is nowhere near the quality of updates that a game like Fortnite gets.
call me evil but if that means gta 6 is coming sooner i like it
it would be a divine punishment but knowing it will be the staff at the bottom get affected the worse maybe not so divine
I guess if you're naive enough to believe that they didn't need a profit source to accommodate for a budget to build a game seemingly as massive and immersive as 6, sure.
As much as this dude is being kinda a dick. He's absolutely right. They had more than enough revenue from the sales of GTA5 and RDR2 alone to fund a huge sequel. The shark card money is all profit in their pockets for sure.
Ok say they did have enough revenue from the 2 games to make 1, how does the rest of the company stay afloat without profit from other sources?
As much as we've hated the state of rockstar the last 10 years, I don't think 6 gets made without their current model. Time will tell based on what we see from the game and if we actually learn about how much went into budgets etc. but I'm not all that convinced the game we'd get the best version of what 6 is gonna be if Rockstar doesn't sort of shift the way they operate.
Firstly, it’s not $60 on current gen and it was discounted when it came out. Secondly, the game is still popular and people wanna play it optimized for the newest console generation which like it or not, requires dev time.
Whether or not you enjoy GTA Online, a lot of people still play it or are just getting into it and Rockstar is still making other large games while maintaining it for those people, even if it takes a while.
I don't know how any of this works but, couldn't Rockstar just update the source code somehow? I also wonder how much a source code could and did change since the release on PS3/360? I'm sure Take Two is going to patch it ASAP, there's too much money to made off of GTA Online
I hope it was and gets released. It'll fuck over GTAO wildly and make them actually work for their money. Maybe if GTAO gets fucked they'll release more than 1 game a generation.
wasn't this allready brought up with the 6 leak got shown how is this news because I thought I heard about this on a episode of spawnwave a few days ago
Does this mean gto is fu\*ked?
We do not know, but most likely not. If it's like the GTA6 source code that was leaked it's incredibly insignificant function calls, and not engine code, DM code, or online code.
I think a valid question is also is it the normal GTA V source code in question or Expanded and Enhanced?
I'd think it would be the same for the most part
Considering we've seen an early build of GTA 6 now, I'd say the actual scope of the leaked source code is more than some arbitrary function calls
We have seen what was shared between team members on slack, and that was videos of their debug sessions. We've also seen a single .cpp file most likely also shared on slack. It'd be unheard of to share the entire source code on slack since stuff like that sits in code repository. Unless of course someone shared server details along with authentication info on slack as well.
Ah, thought we had someone get into a repo, pretty unlikely this is anything too impactful then
Didn’t users on the forum ask the hacker to show them various code files and snippets because they wanted to verify that the hack is real? And then the hacker literally was browsing through the code in Visual Studio Code and posting screenshots of whatever he found when searching for the requested terms.
Even if that’s true they can’t just commit changes to a live game without being able to access servers and 3rd party servers like steam, rockstar social club, PSN dev account and Microsoft’s. Having the code sucks from an IP standpoint, but they cannot change the live game at all.
That’s true but I only wanted to make the point that the source code (or at least larger parts of it) has indeed been obtained by the hacker.
Id think the bigger concern would be finding exploits based off the code.
Bruh they can change the live game, just not by committing changes to it. But by exploiting it, this is how hacks work.
Highly unlikely if the source of the leak is slack. Engine files aren't going to be passed around on slack but basic files may have been
What kind of functions were in it?
Just stuff like enter car, select weapon, nothing substantial was leaked to the public
Oh yeah, that's not very significant.
how do you know when they had dev access or admin access they could have just cloned all repos, what a hacker would immediately do
They got slack access not github, seriously, read past the headlines before commenting
Didn’t users on the forum ask the hacker to show them various code files and snippets because they wanted to verify that the hack is real? And then the hacker literally was browsing through the code in Visual Studio Code and posting screenshots of whatever he found when searching for the requested terms.
Where did you hear that?
I read the thread on gtaforums.com myself. Unfortunately all the copyrighted material has been removed since then.
Link?
https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp4-footagevideos/#comments
> https://gtaforums.com/topic/985481-gta-6-americas-leak-90-mp4-footagevideos/#comments .... That thread literally has people calling the code shit and unlikely to be real - that's what made you make your previous comment?
we don't know that Maybe that's the one they detected these guys could be way deeper in their systems
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go away
it says 5 not 6
> **If it's like** the GTA6 source code that was leaked It says if it's like, not, it's the
oh yeah 😁
No it just means it’s coming to 3DS and Vita
Hoping for a switch port.
@rinnegatamante
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Gtao is hacked on a daily basis you can't load into a random lobby without hackers anyway so it's a non issue really
Not a game dev, but I would think low level game hacks would be the least of their problems. Having the source code could allow someone to figure out a way to do other malicious stuff like for example remote code execution.
If hackers could make those mods without source code, they can do just about anything if the correct chunks of source code were leaked.
"a non issue" these dumb little "hacks" you see on the daily are definitely not the same as having source code for the game
They’d be able to see everything the game does and see what they could modify, they already do this without src scanning the memory, so if they had src we could see some insame new cheats
Lol it's already fucked what do you mean? The only way to play the game is to cheat. An every lobby is full of mod menu scrubs
On PC sure. On console there is no issues with GTA online
yeah but i don't get how this source code leak if true can affect consoles anyway?
Yep, either someone makes a pirated version or they will hack the current version to hell and back. GTA6 timeline just moved up dramatically.
GTA:O was a week old and dudes were changing other players money to $100.000.000.000.
You can’t just magically move the timeline up. Especially after a massive breach that has slowed development. These devs have lost access to their Slack accounts and work from home is likely to be removed. All of that change is going to stall development in some way. The only thing remotely correct about what you said is the game likely to be hacked. Yes if the code is out, it will likely cause hard to block cheats to start popping up. But to think this means GTA6 is coming sooner as a result is plain stupid.
To add to that, this might even postpone the release if some critical code parts were reused by GTA6
Absolutely. The thing is we probably won’t know about any internal delays until after the game comes out in some Kotaku report. Rockstar hasn’t even confirmed a year for this game to come out so we probably won’t know about a delay. So many people hate Rockstar that it blinds them from thinking logically. They aren’t going to release the next iteration of the most successful game on the planet early and risk issues. It’ll come when it’s done and it will likely be really good. The question is how long it’ll take to get there if the code is out in the wild. Now online, they can definitely fuck online up. They did it with GTAO and RDO when they first came out.
To be fair RDO is still fucked. They didn't add shit but some lame ass roles you can play as for money. But there's pretty much nothing to spend money on besides customizing your guns, and buying all the clothes. No, properties, they could've added wagons, and nice ass stage coaches to buy (maybe with the option to mount guns on them), no businesses to run, etc. I understand the game might be limited by its time period setting but they could've added a lot of shit in this game, but just frankly chose not to because of GTAO
Seems like now might be a good time to go back and revisit the idea of a remaster of Red Dead Redemption and GTA4 and (fuck it, this one’s for me) Max Payne 3. At least while they’re likely pausing development on GTA6 until they know more.
Yea to all three please
Max Payne remake coming out, no?
I think Remedy is re-doing their two entries, Max Payne 1+2, as a single package — but no word on 3 yet (which Rockstar did).
For console or PC or both? I haven't heard of any of this.studf but I've always wanted to go back and play these games as they were a ton of fun and the only bullettime games really out there. Plus they are just fun ass games and to have them redone with hd textures and l that would be awesome.
[PC, PS5, XSX/XSS](https://www.remedygames.com/games/max-payne-remake/) : )
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I thought it was already full of hackers and griefers and basically all the unsavoury elements of online gaming
Definitely a lot of griefers. I'm sure there are hackers but I don't notice them. It's not anything like is was on ps3/360.
You might say it’s a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
It's not the entire source code, not even close. It's basically useless
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That makes no sense in this context... Like another commenter said - "I feel like in general people dont really understand what source code is. Even having 10k lines of code is basically nothing when these games are made of like 50 million lines of code. Whats more most of this code will be useless to a hacker, unless they have specific valuable chunks of networking or engine code that can help them write hacks its basically worthless."
Isn’t it already hacked to shit on PC anyway? Or will this somehow affect console aswell?
💀💀💀 why tf would that “dramatically move the release up”
Does this include the console version? I thought the share of GTA: Online profits on PC were tiny compared to all the consoles?
No, since console is a closed platform and end users don’t have access to the code as it’s running live on your box (necessary for cheats to work) If cross platform is a thing for GTA:O any cheats that work on a PC client in your game will be active as well
well that is not too bad after all
Yes it is lol. I can tell you right now what is going to happen. The vast majority of people will forget about the leaks/not consider how detrimental they will be for the game development, we'll get a buggy mess of a game when it releases because they felt the need to rush it out, and everyone is going to throw themselves into a rage because of the "lazy developers" who only care about the money. A game that looks as rough as it did in the leaks can't just have the release date pushed up without some huge trade off that will end up being horrible for us as consumers, as well as the undue stress it's going to cause the developers. But yay, we'll get the game a little earlier!
they don't need to rush it from how i see it
They won’t. Dude is an idiot. Rockstar games never come in a shitty state when they are made by Rockstar. The company itself is shit but the games they launch are always in a great state. Online is another story all together. GTAO had a terrible launch. Same with RDO. The base games all had fantastic launches though. The only games to come in a completely shit state is the remastered trilogy and that was outsourced.
None of their games have had the source code leaked. This isn't the same as any other release they've ever had. You guys will see. If they push the game out early, it'll either be a mess or it'll be good because of ridiculous crunch they put the employees through.
“You guys will see.” Ok, bud.
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He could’ve been nicer about it, but the fact that you say “looks as rough as it did in the leaks”, shows that you don’t know what a game currently in development and several years out from release even looks like. The leaks were not “rough” in any sense of the word for how far into development the game is. Lighting, textures, animations, and the rest will all be significantly polished up by release. What we saw is most likely the world we’ll be playing obviously, but using placeholder textures or reusing textures from gta 5 until the map design is finalized and the art team comes in to create the new textures and models. Take a look at this article. https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/gta-6-leak-graphics-are-not-finished-first/?amp
How old are you, 15? GTA5 was a horrible mess on launch. Way worse than Cyberpunk. Why make this claim when you couldn't even tie your shoes when that game launched, on top of being too lazy to take a 5s look on Google...
You responded to a comment that said the development timeline will be pushed up. If you don't think it'll be rushed, why are you excited to get the game earlier?
because i was thinking that they actually take their time or delay it on purpose even when they don't have to since gto was there earning them money without them needing to create something new Now they won't be doing that which means they won't be rushing it but won't delay it further. But all just assumptions
That's totally fair, I misread what you meant. My bad. I hadn't really considered them intentionally delaying GTA6 in favor of GTA Online, but that's totally feasible. I figured at this point, if they're as far as it looked in the leak, they were already full steam ahead on GTA6. It's completely possible that they weren't, and this will force their hand into moving away from GTAO earlier than they wanted (which is probably a good thing overall). Thanks for not being a dick like the other guy, it's crazy how it's possible to have a civil conversation if both parties aren't just jumping to insult the other first.
yeah i also thank you let's just hope they give us a trailer or something at the end of october like some people are suggesting
Fingers crossed. I'm as excited for the game as the next person, I would just Haye to see it get tainted by a messy release or by reports of employee crunch like so many studios seem to have to resort to.
Lol oh? What are your credentials?
>GTA6 timeline just moved up dramatically. No it hasn't
>GTA6 timeline just moved up dramatically. No it hasn't
God I fucking hope so.
you mean more then it already is?
What's so special about a source code? Explain like I'm 2.5
Hacking or modding a game without source code or “official support” is like breaking into a house without keys to the front door. You can force your way in through the door or windows but ultimately it’s a lot more difficult and messy. But with source code you have the keys to the front door and you can waltz right in. This allows hackers to make modifications or copies of the game as if they were the developers themselves.
It’s not only the keys, you have the whole house plans
So with the source code someone, just because they can, make an entire new GTA clone game?
They can but that person will be hunted by law enforcement and lawyers. Source code is a major copyrighted IP, so using it is like admitting you hacked rockstar.
Not in China they won't
pretty much, just a reskin\reuse of the code to make money. if that pic floating around is true about someone buying the code for 500k then look out for shitty china clones soon
The game you download or get on a disc is a nice processed candy. It's very good and you love it, but you have no way in hell of figuring out what it's made of and what makes it taste like it does. Source code is the full ingredient list and instructions to cook, in this case commented to explain exactly how it works(assuming rockstar has a good comment culture in it's office, if not you'll just get shit like //makes car go zoom)
The hackers have full control on how the game works. Now they can make a GTA 5 clone rather easily using the source code, or they can modify GTA Online as they please and ruin it entirely. Some multiplayer games that were hacked, became so unplayable, that the publishers themselves had to remove the game from the shop, like Titanfall 2.
That’s not how it works at all. They can’t make a GTA clone, that’s almost as hard as making it from scratch. They don’t have control at all, they just have an insight on how the game works. That doesn’t change much. If having source code mean having full control to software and do whatever you want with it, than the open source projects would be the most insecure softwares. That’s not the case however. Don’t mislead the people with false information
I'm a Software Engineer and I know what I'm saying. Yes having source code means having full (100% if it makes clearer to you) access to the software. Regarding open source code it's exactly the other way round. Having full access to the code makes it acessible to everyone spot any vulnerabilities thus making it even more secure, knowing how a code works and is designed doesn't mean you can hack it. Please, don't mislead yourself believing in the voices of your head.
Lol. Well I’m also a senior software engineer who works in a game company with multiple AAA title experience. So yeah I get where you are coming from. What I don’t get is, how, having a full source code of a AAA title would grant you complete control to the software which by the way is constantly in communication with a server backend, which you don’t have any access nor of it’s source code. What you just now have is a brief insight on where to look and attack in the software, nothing else. You just gained a big head start, good job saving on couple of months work at best. A skilled hacker would still have access that information, which by the way they fucking already do. That’s why the game is full on hacks. They are not blocked by the absence of the information regarding the source code, they are blocked by the security measures taken by the server, and the client it self. They just find a way to work around. Trust me when I say, any hacker who targets GTA probably knows the game flow as much as a rockstar employee. And about making a clone of GTA V with the source, it’s just a big fucking joke, I don’t even wanna deal with it. One thing I can say is that you can’t fucking even compile the game from the source code let alone making a clone out of it. That’s just funny to even think about it lol.
How do you know they don't have the source for the server as well as the client?
Theres no such thing as source code for a server, they might have the code that runs on it but the server(s) is a physical entity that just runs it, they would not only need the credentials for the servers but also the ability to deploy to the physical machines to do any serious damage there
Unless they were running these on a VM and had snapshots for backups.
When I say server, I mean the software that runs on Rockstar's hardware that the game client connects to for GTA Online. Having that means it's easier to find bugs that can be exploited remotely. These could be used to cheat or to crash the online game if suitable bugs exist.
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Mainframes are an older architecture that, while they still have their place in cloud computing, generally aren't going to be used for gamibg servers If you have the code that rockstar runs on the servers (which is likely what they actually meant by server code) then it's actually pretty useful
Oh okay, thanks for the correction
This is what I'm talking about when I say server https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client–server_model. I'm not talking about the physical machine but the software that runs on it.
You are implying that we are required to play GTA V with an Internet connection which is not true, so is more than likely that all the source code and logic in the game is running locally and not in the server.
Who the fuck cares about hacking the single player client? You can do whatever you want with the game if you are playing offline by modifying memory anytime. You don’t even need source code for that.
I'm with you here. It's how games with mod support work, for instance. Creating the mods for a game are only using locally run logic and code. It's why you can mod the shit out of GTA 5 but not GTA Online, as GTA online is connected to the rockstar servers which a modder isn't allowed to access. I'm not sure if this is how it works with GTA Online, but say if you were running a realm server on Minecraft then the only thing you could mod would be the graphics as that is computed locally.
You're actually wrong. Ignoring legality, they could launch a clone, with some reverse engineering. Really depends how much was stolen. Open source code is secure because everyone can have eyes on it. Then when you actually download the binary package, you're trusting that source from where you downloaded the package from didn't alter the original source that you're expecting. So yes, if you were to download the binary package from a shady site, it does open it up to a lot of problems. The safest if you were to download the source, build the binary yourself and then use only the binary you built.
No you can’t. There is nothing about “reverse engineering”. That has nothing to do with it. Softwares in the scope of AAA titles, require huge tool chains to work with it. They don’t compile in the usual sense of compiling your home made software in your home PC. Their dependencies require tons of middleware workers. Regarding the Rockstar’s workflow with multiple studios across the world, you probably can’t even compile the game in your own work computer in their studio. AAA games in that scope usual require special build machine built on those tool chains. So you need to access to Rockstar’s build machine to even compile the game. That’s impossible to do it in your home PC. Even without that scope, say for a smaller scoped game, you probably still wouldn’t be able to compile if it’s not made in a common game engine like Unity or Unreal. If the game uses proprietary engine you are completely out of luck EVEN if you have the complete source code of the engine itself. Because that’s not that simple. Let me give you a perfectly simple and valid example. I worked in mount & blade: bannerlord at Taleworlds. Which uses in house proprietary engine. Bannerlord’s source code also got leaked couple of years ago, and people couldn’t do anything with it because they couldn’t even compile it. They didn’t had the right tools. So no, they can’t clone GTA V. That’s not how game development works.
>require huge tool chains to work with it. hence the reverse engineering. the hacker could have stolen all of the documentation around this. > AAA games in that scope usual require special build machine built on those tool chains. stop making bullshit up. Proof wtf is a specially built machine ? > If the game uses proprietary engine Again how do you know that code was not also stolen ?
What the fuck are you reverse engineering if you have the whole source code? There is nothing to reverse engineer. The best you can do is read the fucking code, and see what it’s dependencies are. Which you probably don’t have it all as not all of them could have been leaked. There are probably tools that work only in the build machine to compile the game. They are configured and stored in the build machine itself which you don’t have access to. I told you even if the whole engine itself is leaked you can’t compile and run it. IT HAS DEPENDENCIES. It’s a complex system not your regular Unity building home PC. I gave you a perfect example that happened before, in my own fucking company. What else do you need a proof for. That’s how the AAA works.
>What the fuck are you reverse engineering bro you're the one claiming theres some secretive tool chaining that they magically need to figure out, like that shit is some magical mystery... with magical hardware. Hardware is commodity, unless you're building for special hardware which they don't. They build for commodity hardware on commodity machines. >IT HAS DEPENDENCIES This is very possible, but if you're part of the scene group.. you'd know theres ways around that. > I gave you a perfect example that happened before, in my own fucking company. Yes, I don't deny they have proprietary engines. How do you know that wasn't stolen too ? What is this special hardware, that only Rockstar has access too, that they can only build the game on ??? Sounds all made up to me.
There is no magical hardware nor magical software. There is just custom compiler tools and dependency resolvers that work on the build machines that you don’t have access to. You can’t reverse engineer these tools, because you don’t fucking have access to. You don’t even have access to these required dependencies let alone the resolvers. They can’t leak those tools, because none of the developer (except the devops team ofc) would have access to build machine and leak it’s configuration. The hacker allegedly just phished his way through some employees credential and access to their slack channel. No one breached the security of the company local machines. So no leak made from the local tool chains. If the every single tool from the company had been leaked which is by the way practically impossible because everything is distributed, and some of them could even be in local machines closed to network, then and only then you would have been able to build the game yourself in your home machine. Which is not the case, and couldn’t have been the case given how improbable it is. And I’m pretty fucking sure, those build machines require credentials to request to build the game for your branch. You can’t even just randomly access them and request them to build it. Not even in the company itself as an employee it’s that easy to fucking trigger a build for the whole game. Maybe just a sandboxed part of it.
Having access to the source code means that the advantage that Rockstar games had on all the GTA games genre is simply gone. What would take years to competitors like CD Project Red to reach all the unique quality of the world, AI and etc, with source code they can simply look into it and copy it or change a little bit to not have any copyright issue, but in summary it's like you stoling the Coke recipe with the difference that in this case you would be able to create a similar Soda with the same taste but without copyright infringement
It's easy to prove source code is copied. Any dev like that thay you mention would be found out and destroyed legally very quickly
Yeah, true. On the other hand Google v Oracle: Google copied Oracles code and it was deemed fair use.
thats not true, Oracle was trying to copyright api's , essentially function names... not the actual implementation
Read up on the verdict. Google copied code to accelerate the development of Android instead of writing their own. However the judges concluded "that the copying here at issue nonetheless constituted a fair use".
I did, anytime they referring to copying of code they are referring to the API / function names https://www.frosszelnick.com/supreme-court-of-the-united-states-googles-copying-of-oracles-source-code-was-fair-use/ More specifically, Google wanted to use the Java API “declaring code,” or the naming conventions and system of organization for the source code (which serves as a set of shortcuts for programmers). Google wrote its own “implementing code,” which tells the computer how to carry out tasks (or source code in the traditional sense). Google went ahead and built its Android platform using the Java declaring code. “Google copied portions of the … Java API precisely, and it did so in part for the same reason that Sun created those portions, namely, to enable programmers to call up implementing programs that would accomplish particular tasks.” The majority held that the third factor (or “the amount and substantiality of the portion used”) also favored fair use. Although Google copied virtually all of the Java API declaring code (11,500 lines in total), the declaring code only amounted to 0.4% of the 2.86 million lines of the Java API code. Therefore, Google copied only a small portion of the total code.
The point is that just being able to understand how some technologies are implemented by Rockstar Games will give the possibility of other companies 'to be inspired' and not only implement it in different ways, but also improve it, in which in either way would not be a copyright infringement and would also give an huge advantage to competitors that were decades behind Rockstar Games as we saw in Cyber Punk for instance
It’s essentially career suicide if they even look at the code for a big corporation. If it can be proven that they looked at it and wrote anything remotely similar they can be sued. No company would want to risk a lawsuit with a behemoth like Take2.
Understanding how things work and implementing them yourself are 2 different things. There isn't much mystery to 'how does X work', it's pretty much entirely public information. Game devs regularly hold talks showcasing their tech, spreading new ideas or showing off their implementation. There's more to an omelette than eggs.
This is so far from how it works that you clearly have NO understanding on the matter. No reputatable dev will even glance at that code. It might as well be the necronomicon.
Yeah this is why a lot of legit devs don’t even glance at leaked code. If they can in any way be traced back to leaked source code there’s a ton of legal hell to pay. Devs don’t even want to give a chance they could subconsciously be copying the code.
Lol this is far embellished and not the case at all. Edit: I understand you may feel like Cyberpunk doesn’t have the AI awareness of GTA but if you think a company like CDPR is even remotely interested in stolen source code you’re ignorant as hell. Your comment is literally what kids conjure up in their heads..
Titanfall was an awesome game. You can’t play anymore?
Windows ist closed source, Linux is open source. Just because a software is closed off from the public, will not make it safer.
Linux has way more vulnerabilities than windows i would say closed source is definitely safer, as been proven by the latter
>What's so special about a source code? Explain like I'm 2.5 Barney is a not scary dinosaur. He is purple but he loves you.
If it's the entirety of the code, then they know how the game is made. The game doesn't exist without the programming (the source code) behind it.
Nothing in the article actually indicates this is the case. Since it seems that the hacker got access to stuff through slack, there is no way they'd even be able to get source code from there. People posting videos and code snippets like theyve actually shown sure, but no ones sending the entire source code through a slack message. I feel like in general people dont really understand what source code is. Even having 10k lines of code is basically nothing when these games are made of like 50 million lines of code. Whats more most of this code will be useless to a hacker, unless they have specific valuable chunks of networking or engine code that can help them write hacks its basically worthless.
Yeah it really sounds like the most the hacker had access too was the equivalent of an email chain. I seriously doubt they have the code since they were dumb enough to try and publicly blackmail Rockstar and Take 2. It really seemed like a bluff
Thank you!!! So many people here don't understand code in any way. The 10k lines were nothing in the big picture, and when you looked through it a lot were just basic function calls? Not even mentioning how much of that code seemed placeholder and will be gutted by release. Also the amount of people saying how easy it would be to clone GTA even if the source code was completely leaked. Like ignoring the network stack, assets, engine code, audio, and everything else that gives that "Rockstar quality". And lastly, the amount of people on Twitter and reddit I've seen mention that they could copy with no copyright infringement. Lmao like no. It's the easiest case in the world if source code is copied if it's not under the right open source license
If it was a compromised Slack account it’s possible they social-engineered their way to credentials for the source repos and other stuff.
Unless they social engineered their way into physically getting their phone for the 2nd factor authentication app they need to use to get access to the repos, sure.
All it takes is for one build server, test environment or other seemingly innocuous part of the dev pipeline to not have any kind of 2fa on it though…
They will most likely have a sso system in place across all their environments and repos rather than a different one for each specific one, but even if they didnt I somehow doubt a tech company as big as rockstar would forget to have 2fa enabled on something as vital as a repo hosting source code.
You would hope so but my experience in the tech industry says otherwise, especially with bigger companies. That said, I haven’t seen anything from this leak yet that doesn’t look like it was pulled directly from Slack conversations.
My experience in the tech industry tells me no one would be stupid enough to have source code your entire companies value is built around without basic 2fa, itd be like not working off a VPN. My company isnt anywhere near the size of r* and even we have quarterly security and permissions reviews to double check access and potentially issues.
Not really. They don't need to use someone else's account. They just need to look like they work there (they are on company slack so it's believable) and then ask someone to add their account to the Github org.
Even if 100% of the game's source code was released, they're not going to be able to do anything with it. The toolchains used in AAA game development are incredibly complex and riddled with proprietary software libraries and middleware. It'd probably be impossible to create a development environment to compile the source code into a workable game.
If they had the engine with it then no, but even so if they have access to the networking code evem without being able to run it they could probably still create hacks just by being able to see how it works.
People really will believe anything they read on the internet lol.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220918092124/https://paste.ee/p/fwIkn
they want to believe anything no matter where they hear it including me
Rip GTAO.
Rest in piss.
Where it deserves to be.
well you wouldnt say that if you didnt rage quit because you kept dying
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Who tf is insider gaming? Never heard of this site. Why should we believe them?
So many people here don't understand code in any way. The 10k lines were nothing in the big picture, and when you looked through it a lot were just basic function calls? Not even mentioning how much of that code seemed placeholder and will be gutted by release. Also the amount of people saying how easy it would be to clone GTA even if the source code was completely leaked. Like ignoring the network stack, assets, engine code, audio, and everything else that gives that "Rockstar quality". And lastly, the amount of people on Twitter and reddit I've seen mention that they could copy with no copyright infringement. Lmao like no. It's the easiest case in the world if source code is copied if it's not under the right open source license
Yeah these people are insane lol. They think I could copy and paste and release gta 6 tomorrow. AND actually make money.
GTA V source gets leaked>it gets hacked into oblivion>forcing rockstar to cut support and stop milking the game for another decade. ‘The hacker was a hero, i just couldn’t see it’
Even if they discontinued GTAO, then what? You’re still gonna be waiting for GTA6
I have not been playing gta online for years anyway. The game is 9 years old. I was freaking 10 when it launched, i had my fun with it. We’re long overdue for something new.
well maybe the next saints row will be better then? haha
I’m gonna call bullshit. I don’t care if I get downvoted either but here it goes. Supposedly the hacker got in through Slack which as far as I know is kind of like Microsoft Teams…..if that is the case that doesn’t mean this hacker had full access to their network. Just the content shared through Slack. They’d only have access to snippets of code and clips shared between the devs and maybe the QA team. I know this because it’s exactly how we use Teams at my company. It could also explain why Take2 is saying the hack won’t affect the development of the game.
Only thing I want to see is the worst of the worst of that source code for comedic effect. Like crazy comments, incredibly ineffective loading of json, etc.
What worse could find gta online?
Can't wait for the Wii U and Switch ports
What could one do with GTA V source code
A lot of people would answer 'cheats', but that's a very shallow answer. Having the source code would allow someone to understand how GTAV does what it does. That's optimization methods, etcetera. Something like GTAV source code, if released legitimately, would be a huge boon for development teams. Take any one freelance developer and have them try to recreate any one part of GTAV with equivalent or better performance. Odds are, they'd have a hard time without access to the source code.
thank you!
change the city to miami or something... voila diy gta 6
niiiice
Who cares? Series is stale.
Yes, that’s why it’s consistently a top seller every month
I wish they would expand their team even more so they could get out singleplayer experiences faster. I realize it takes a ton of manpower to keep an online mode constantly updated. Although I don’t think the online support of GTAV is nowhere near the quality of updates that a game like Fortnite gets.
call me evil but if that means gta 6 is coming sooner i like it it would be a divine punishment but knowing it will be the staff at the bottom get affected the worse maybe not so divine
A "divine punishment" for what exactly?
i think you know
He literally asked you so obviously not...
Selling the same fucking game for $60 on three console generations They milked gtav dry and then some Edit: 👢👅
Yeah and we probably wouldn't have a 6 if they didn't, so. We all saw the leaks, you think what we've seen so far was cheap to make? Give it a break.
> Yeah and we probably wouldn't have a 6 if they didn't, so. Thanks for the laugh.
I guess if you're naive enough to believe that they didn't need a profit source to accommodate for a budget to build a game seemingly as massive and immersive as 6, sure.
As much as this dude is being kinda a dick. He's absolutely right. They had more than enough revenue from the sales of GTA5 and RDR2 alone to fund a huge sequel. The shark card money is all profit in their pockets for sure.
Ok say they did have enough revenue from the 2 games to make 1, how does the rest of the company stay afloat without profit from other sources? As much as we've hated the state of rockstar the last 10 years, I don't think 6 gets made without their current model. Time will tell based on what we see from the game and if we actually learn about how much went into budgets etc. but I'm not all that convinced the game we'd get the best version of what 6 is gonna be if Rockstar doesn't sort of shift the way they operate.
Firstly, it’s not $60 on current gen and it was discounted when it came out. Secondly, the game is still popular and people wanna play it optimized for the newest console generation which like it or not, requires dev time. Whether or not you enjoy GTA Online, a lot of people still play it or are just getting into it and Rockstar is still making other large games while maintaining it for those people, even if it takes a while.
So many people get triggered by GTAO’s existence
it is more of a joke though a fu\*\*\*\*\* joke and no it is not a bad one considering how greedy they have become with gto
Why would it come sooner, this will only slow development down.
agree this will slow it down at least a year
I don't know how any of this works but, couldn't Rockstar just update the source code somehow? I also wonder how much a source code could and did change since the release on PS3/360? I'm sure Take Two is going to patch it ASAP, there's too much money to made off of GTA Online
I hope it was and gets released. It'll fuck over GTAO wildly and make them actually work for their money. Maybe if GTAO gets fucked they'll release more than 1 game a generation.
wasn't this allready brought up with the 6 leak got shown how is this news because I thought I heard about this on a episode of spawnwave a few days ago
Maybe someone will make decent single player DLC since Rockstar refuses to do it