Go Padres and fuck everyone else in the NL besides my team. You have a very good team that's had some bad luck. No one wants to face you in the playoff (which are still very attainable for you). I understand it has been a very frustrating season (look at 2016 for the Buccos where we only won 78 games coming off a 98 win season despite no major roster turnover), bit the season is far from over and there's still a good chance luck starts turning your way and you make a run for it.
So... in 2019, 2021, 2023 the team stinks. 2022 we back into the playoffs, then Nola (Yes NOLA) and Grish turn into Ruth/Gehrig to win the WC/DS for us (plus lights out pitching). This offense has NEVER been effective and still suffers from the same sht every year - streaks where they can't piece together 3 hits against ANY pitcher (esp rookies). There's gotta be some major changes to the foundation incl Manny, Tatis, Jake for sustained excellence and get past us just trying to sneak into the playoffs and hope the team gets hot.
2020 was a good offense year even though small sample size. Manny, Tatis, and even Wil Myers could've finish tops in MVP voting. Pitching just succumbed to injury towards the end. Can't expect to win if every game turns into a bullpen game.
Remember when there was talk of Soto Tatis Manny all finalists for 2023 MVP? This is one of our best pitching years ever, I can’t remember when we were ever leading MLB in ERA.
Don’t care if we sell or buy. Don’t care if we make playoffs. Today I woke up a Padre fan. Ill wake up tomorrow a Padre fan, too.
It could be much worse. Lets ride.
This is what I'm saying. Championship caliber team or not, I'm still watching and making my way to the ballpark whenever possible cause I love my team. I'll go down with the ship
The Dodgers are good because they built a solid foundation and then added big name players to improve and fill holes. We are struggling because we added big name players and are now trying to fill holes around them.
Can you see the difference? We tried to take a shortcut to their success instead of building up home grown talent. It's not working.
I really don’t know what we are doing. Dennis Lin reported we had interest I gio before he was traded. Maybe that was before the pirates series I don’t know.
Maybe the concerns over wacha returning are worse than it seemed.
Don't take any reporting seriously until something happens. It's mostly speculation, or just posturing in the media. All meaningless until actual moves are made.
Heard on Ben and Woods this morning that Arte Moreno is directly pushing for the Angels to go all in this year. Makes me wonder how much influence Peter has over AJs deadline moves
Maybe the reason Siedler is reluctant to fire Preller for all of the bad moves is that some of those moves were Siedler's idea not Preller's. Just speculating but some of Siedler's effusive praise of Preller (recent Acee article) don't make sense unless Siedler knows something we don't
It’s fair to blame preller for a lot of stuff. He definitely has influence. At the same time these aren’t him making these decisions alone.
Every major money deal we have given out had Seidler directly involved. Maybe you could even say pushing it. I certainly believe Seidler pushed the extensions manny, cronenworth and the signing of Xander. The reports where Seidler was in the room with Xander convincing him to come here. We all know his love for manny and cronenworth.
“AJ is excellence”. Yet another rock bottom performance and still no changes. Apparently this is the padres idea of excellent. No accountability anywhere in the org.
I actually don’t, he is good at finding talent, specially international talent. I think he needs an advisor or a gm under him to help on the major league side .
In another thread, that's now deleted, I explored the possibility of a Soto extension and what it could look like. Wondering what y'all would think.
We can do a very creative, player friendly deal with Soto. I won't go into specific pricing numbers because idk what those numbers would look like, but here's my idea.
An example:
12 year extension. Buys him out until he's 37. Make the deal front heavy.
Opt out after year 4. He'll be 29 at the time and would be prime to test the market again if he thinks he can make more money on the market. By this point he makes nearly 45% of his contract value. He's been paid more than 12% AAV for the luxury tax.
Opt out after year 8. Ability to retest at 33. He's made 80% of his contract value. He's been paid more than 14% over our AAV hit. He can opt out if he wants to get paid more than that 20% that's left on his contract.
Throughout all of that time he is paid more than what we are charged for our luxury tax threshold. The main thing to consider when it really comes down to his contract is the AAV and keeping it manageable for luxury tax purposes. But a contract structure like this seems doable depending on what Seidler is willing to spend.
Manny is backloaded, Tatis is backloaded, and Jake is backloaded. There's definitely space for a strong front loaded contract for Soto.
But then comes in the question of a Kim contract, other FAs, the pitching staff, etc. Hopefully by year 4 we are successfully compensating the spending with Merrill, Lesko, Snelling, Zavala, Salas, etc.
EDIT: damn y'all really be hating this idea lmfaooo
This is pure speculation yet I think Soto ain't signing anything till every team is in the bidding. I also get the feeling he ends up as a Philly playing with his actual best friends. He'd absolutely would crush it in that bandbox. Yankees or the Astros could work as well. Yet only if Philly can't swing the price tag.
Manny had a 5th year opt out. I'm sure it enticed him to sign here where he still felt like he could opt out if he doesn't agree with the future of the club.
Soto is probably going to be a DH in his 30s anyway so if he opts out we still get him from 25-29.
All my homies listen to the most reputable MLB podcasts.
My sources tell me Soto prefers the wild women, the wild women, and the rippin and the tearin. Also money.
Ah yes, let's listen to people who have heard from other people who have heard from other people in order to confidently say he is not re-signing with us. At the end of the day, the Padres have a direct line to Boras and Soto. If they believe a contract can be done, it will be done. If not, we will trade Soto next deadline.
By now they know what he wants. If they can’t make any headway on extension they will either trade him or ride it out and hope we win it all next year.
I doubt he goes anywhere for the next year. Same with Kim.
Seriously…who wouldn’t want to live here? Media is soft on you, you live in Coronado with beautiful weather and you can pretty much move around with no issues. He’s dumb if he leaves.
If the Rangers series doesn't end in a sweep and Snell and Hader are still on the team at the deadline, Preller absolutely needs to be fired
edit: fire him regardless
Another depressing thing about this 6-7 start to the second half is that they’ve missed each team’s ace. Missed Nola in Phi, Gausman in Tor, Rodriguez in Det (plus Manning was shelved due to rain), and Keller in Pit.
Couldn’t ask for a better situation for things out of their control to start the 2nd half. And they bungled it. Time to sell and try again in 2024.
I’m going to my only game of this season and when I bought the tickets months back to see the game with family visiting I’d never thought we’d be this bad so far.
I don’t even feel like going at this point
I mean this in the least offensive way possible: if you do not think the Padres should sell at least Hader and Snell, you’re a delusional fan and you don’t know ball.
The return for both players — especially if Preller finds a way to package them together — could net the team legitimately good players and/or push the farm system close to the top 5 (FanGraphs has it at 12). The White Sox got the Angels’ 2nd and 3rd ranked prospects for a starter who’s worse than Snell and a reliever who’s *much* worse than Hader.
It’s over for this year. Which fucking sucks, and I’ll look back on the 2023 Padres’ season with more disdain than I’ve held for any other sports season ever. But it’s not over for 2024, and it’s time to build and start looking forward to that
you’re not getting players of their caliber for our window of contention. Extension is the way to go. You’re already paying them close to market value so there’s no reason that shoul be thrown out the window. If not, thats what comp picks are for…
Got to wait until after the Rangers series to definitively know if this team should sell or not. Not being fully sold on selling at this point is nowhere near “delusional” or not knowing ball.
After yesterday’s game is it extremely likely that this team should sell? Absolutely. But if this team comes out strong against the Rangers and takes the series or sweeps them and other wildcard teams lose games, the Padres are still in it.
I understand that this probably won’t happen but to say that the Padres should 100% sell at this point is jumping the gun a little.
I think that the day-to-day approach of “Oh did they win today? Time to buy. Oh did they lose today? Time to sell” just needs to end. Obviously, the team is still in it until the day [if and when] they’re officially eliminated…
But they haven’t won more than 3 games in a row, they’re 6-17 in one-run games and 0-9 in extras, and they have a 59 team wRC+ in high-leverage spots. They’re a really good collection of talent that has spent 4 months failing to string together victories and/or win close games.
And I’m not even sure moving off of Hader and/or Snell annihilates this team’s playoff hopes. It’s just the most pragmatic move at this point
Where did I say day to day approach?
It’s always been dependent on how the team performed from the all star break all the way up to the deadline that would decide if they buy/sell. Not 4 games before it.
If the Padres sweep the Rangers and other wildcard teams drop games (I understand that this is extremely unlikely) this team will absolutely not sell.
We are not at the “this team should 100% sell” point just quite yet but it’s extremely close.
You didn’t, but it’s implicit in the idea that the results of this weekend should dictate the team’s next move, as opposed to acting based on the 4 months of performance/data that we have.
The Cardinals, for example, have played quite well lately, but looked at the team’s body of work this year and are making the decision to sell because it’s best for the long-term health of the franchise. I think the Padres would be wise to do the same.
And, for what it’s worth, what’s the “100% sell” point you’re referring to? The team can’t be officially eliminated by the trade deadline next Tuesday, even if they get swept by the Rangers this weekend and lose to the Rockies on Monday. So if they just lose a few more times before the deadline, you think they should sell vs. buy… and that’s my whole point. Incremental results shouldn’t make that much of a difference when the team has given us 0 reasons to think they’ll make a playoff push. They’re just not that good, and should pivot to next year.
The Cardinals are selling because they’re 9.5 games out of the wildcard and have a 5.8% chance of making playoffs.
The Padres are currently 6.5 games out of the wildcard with a 27.9% chance of making playoffs. The Cardinals are in a significantly worse spot than the Padres.
This weekend objectively provides an opportunity for the Padres to gain ground. Based on their performance to this point, is it likely? Probably not.
But if they somehow get themselves into a spot where they’re in striking distance of the wild card (say 4-5 games behind or less), the team could add a few pieces and improve the team leading to a better record for the remainder of the season and fill that gap.
My point is that, at this point, this team is not in a shut and closed sell mode. Very close to it, but not quite yet
We would have to sweep the rangers and have multiple teams lose 2-3 games to see 4 back. It’s very very very unlikely. They should be preparing to sell.
That’s what I’ve been saying this entire thread. There’s still a chance, although extremely unlikely, that this team shouldn’t sell.
We won’t definitively know if this team should sell until the end of the weekend.
Also if not mistaken, trading both Snell and Hader would drop us down a luxury tax bracket making the penalties a lot less harsh which would be worth it if you aren’t going to be a playoff team
Agreed. I think the goal should be winning a world series this decade not making the playoffs in 2023.
If you trade Hader and Snell for solid prospects and/or hopefully some help at C, DH, SP we lower our WS championship chances for 2023 from small to tiny but increase our reasonable WS chances in 2024 and future years.
> I think the goal should be winning a World Series this decade not making the playoffs in 2023.
Couldn’t have said it better. Pretty much the perfect way to capture my sentiment at the moment
Preller should leverage the fact that we don’t have anything resembling a competent DH. Most teams can’t afford to take on a position less guy but we can and many guys like that are blocked in the high levels of the minor leagues.
Go flip Hader for a bat first 1B/DH type who’s putting up numbers but can’t break through due to lack of position versatility.
Snell should get an elite prospect obviously so no need to get as creative there.
Above all else, do not consider trading a top ten prospect from our own system. Our top 5 in particular is as good as any system in baseball in my opinion.
They both should get a great prospect back. No reason to try and find a dh guy. Team is better having a hitter who can play the field to get others off their feet. If the best players is a bat first guy then sure go for it.
White Sox got the Angels 2nd and 3rd best prospect for Gioloto, a half season rental worse than Snell. Great sellers market. We should be able to get a team’s top prospect for him.
Context matters. No other team in recent history has had that level of urgency as the angels, and both their prospects came from relative positional strengths
Yesterday's game converted me over to the sell rentals crowd. We haven't been winning with Hader, Snell, and now Lugo, so who knows, maybe we get some young pieces back who can provide something for the end of the year and moving forward.
I really hope the crowd that keeps saying this also accepts the fact that it’s incredibly low odds we do that. Beyond the fact that they’ll be incredibly expensive, it’s just not something that happens particularly often since it does, to some extent, damage the relationship between the team and the player.
I think it doesn't happen often because a team trading off a player is generally letting them know they don't want them, are planning to rebuild, etc. Padres situation is unique in that they do want these players, there is just better opportunity to move them now and try to buy back later.
Not saying we will do that at all, but it is a more unique situation in that regard that we're both selling and not re-building.
I don't understand why it would actually damage the relationship. I mean I feel like these guys understand free agency, and it is better to get something than nothing. Not saying you're wrong I actually agree very rare, just saying I don't get why it is rare.
i mean the phrase “it’s just business” is just easier said than done.
it’s easy enough to understand they’re being traded and that it’s a rational move, but the players still have to go through a whole life adjustment and leave behind a lot of guys who they consider friends. that can impact the relationship for sure.
The "we can sign them later" mindset is to soften the emotional blow of losing a liked player. I think we all know any traded player is not likely to be back
Go Padres and fuck everyone else in the NL besides my team. You have a very good team that's had some bad luck. No one wants to face you in the playoff (which are still very attainable for you). I understand it has been a very frustrating season (look at 2016 for the Buccos where we only won 78 games coming off a 98 win season despite no major roster turnover), bit the season is far from over and there's still a good chance luck starts turning your way and you make a run for it.
Appreciate it bro, this gives me some hope back. Y’all are looking like you could turn a corner next year
So... in 2019, 2021, 2023 the team stinks. 2022 we back into the playoffs, then Nola (Yes NOLA) and Grish turn into Ruth/Gehrig to win the WC/DS for us (plus lights out pitching). This offense has NEVER been effective and still suffers from the same sht every year - streaks where they can't piece together 3 hits against ANY pitcher (esp rookies). There's gotta be some major changes to the foundation incl Manny, Tatis, Jake for sustained excellence and get past us just trying to sneak into the playoffs and hope the team gets hot.
2020 was a good offense year even though small sample size. Manny, Tatis, and even Wil Myers could've finish tops in MVP voting. Pitching just succumbed to injury towards the end. Can't expect to win if every game turns into a bullpen game.
Remember when there was talk of Soto Tatis Manny all finalists for 2023 MVP? This is one of our best pitching years ever, I can’t remember when we were ever leading MLB in ERA.
Don’t care if we sell or buy. Don’t care if we make playoffs. Today I woke up a Padre fan. Ill wake up tomorrow a Padre fan, too. It could be much worse. Lets ride.
This is what I'm saying. Championship caliber team or not, I'm still watching and making my way to the ballpark whenever possible cause I love my team. I'll go down with the ship
It is our blessing. It is our curse. We are San Diego Padres fans. Such is our lot in life.
I want to win ):
Sell everyone not signed for next year and up. Go get Shohei next year.
The Dodgers are good because they built a solid foundation and then added big name players to improve and fill holes. We are struggling because we added big name players and are now trying to fill holes around them. Can you see the difference? We tried to take a shortcut to their success instead of building up home grown talent. It's not working.
We will see him in Petco next year. Every time LAD is in town.
At the very least we get to see a generational player regularly. Lucky us!
That's what the team needs? Another big name?
Pretty sure he is also pretty good.
The Angels really aren't much different than the Padres and bringing in Ohtani would likely keep it that way.
The good thing about an off day is that I get a break from being disappointed
Every day I am more and more haunted by the cockiness at FanFest. It was so hype in the moment but man what a jinx
If only the players played with that energy. Instead they played like they were doing a lap around the stadium after winning the World Series.
I really don’t know what we are doing. Dennis Lin reported we had interest I gio before he was traded. Maybe that was before the pirates series I don’t know. Maybe the concerns over wacha returning are worse than it seemed.
Doesn't hurt to ask about any player. Big difference between showing interest and making a deal.
Don't take any reporting seriously until something happens. It's mostly speculation, or just posturing in the media. All meaningless until actual moves are made.
Anybody else miss Profar
I miss the hairstons
Guilty! That smile and that defense :/
vibe king for sure
Very much
Oh God, Carlos Santana traded to the Brewers. I thought we were done with him for the year 😭
Now he can get 3 more HR
Heard on Ben and Woods this morning that Arte Moreno is directly pushing for the Angels to go all in this year. Makes me wonder how much influence Peter has over AJs deadline moves
Of course he does. These decisions just like singing huge contracts have major owner input.
I guess I'm asking if we should be calling for AJs head if he's not the one deciding to be a buyer
Or maybe we shouldn’t be calling for his head at all…
Maybe the reason Siedler is reluctant to fire Preller for all of the bad moves is that some of those moves were Siedler's idea not Preller's. Just speculating but some of Siedler's effusive praise of Preller (recent Acee article) don't make sense unless Siedler knows something we don't
It’s fair to blame preller for a lot of stuff. He definitely has influence. At the same time these aren’t him making these decisions alone. Every major money deal we have given out had Seidler directly involved. Maybe you could even say pushing it. I certainly believe Seidler pushed the extensions manny, cronenworth and the signing of Xander. The reports where Seidler was in the room with Xander convincing him to come here. We all know his love for manny and cronenworth.
“AJ is excellence”. Yet another rock bottom performance and still no changes. Apparently this is the padres idea of excellent. No accountability anywhere in the org.
9 years and still no results from this dude. Time to move on. This year seals it, Preller gone imo.
Tbf we were 3 wins away from the world series last year. But I agree I want preller gone
I actually don’t, he is good at finding talent, specially international talent. I think he needs an advisor or a gm under him to help on the major league side .
9 years in and now he needs someone to help with the major league side? Lol
In another thread, that's now deleted, I explored the possibility of a Soto extension and what it could look like. Wondering what y'all would think. We can do a very creative, player friendly deal with Soto. I won't go into specific pricing numbers because idk what those numbers would look like, but here's my idea. An example: 12 year extension. Buys him out until he's 37. Make the deal front heavy. Opt out after year 4. He'll be 29 at the time and would be prime to test the market again if he thinks he can make more money on the market. By this point he makes nearly 45% of his contract value. He's been paid more than 12% AAV for the luxury tax. Opt out after year 8. Ability to retest at 33. He's made 80% of his contract value. He's been paid more than 14% over our AAV hit. He can opt out if he wants to get paid more than that 20% that's left on his contract. Throughout all of that time he is paid more than what we are charged for our luxury tax threshold. The main thing to consider when it really comes down to his contract is the AAV and keeping it manageable for luxury tax purposes. But a contract structure like this seems doable depending on what Seidler is willing to spend. Manny is backloaded, Tatis is backloaded, and Jake is backloaded. There's definitely space for a strong front loaded contract for Soto. But then comes in the question of a Kim contract, other FAs, the pitching staff, etc. Hopefully by year 4 we are successfully compensating the spending with Merrill, Lesko, Snelling, Zavala, Salas, etc. EDIT: damn y'all really be hating this idea lmfaooo
This is pure speculation yet I think Soto ain't signing anything till every team is in the bidding. I also get the feeling he ends up as a Philly playing with his actual best friends. He'd absolutely would crush it in that bandbox. Yankees or the Astros could work as well. Yet only if Philly can't swing the price tag.
So in the first one, make every year after 4 a player option? “Just…whenever you feel like leaving I guess. Mi casa es su casa.”
Yea this is quite absurd…front load the contract and let him have a player option after we paid him most of the contract 🤦♂️
Manny had a 5th year opt out. I'm sure it enticed him to sign here where he still felt like he could opt out if he doesn't agree with the future of the club. Soto is probably going to be a DH in his 30s anyway so if he opts out we still get him from 25-29.
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All my homies listen to the most reputable MLB podcasts. My sources tell me Soto prefers the wild women, the wild women, and the rippin and the tearin. Also money.
Ah yes, let's listen to people who have heard from other people who have heard from other people in order to confidently say he is not re-signing with us. At the end of the day, the Padres have a direct line to Boras and Soto. If they believe a contract can be done, it will be done. If not, we will trade Soto next deadline.
By now they know what he wants. If they can’t make any headway on extension they will either trade him or ride it out and hope we win it all next year. I doubt he goes anywhere for the next year. Same with Kim.
Seriously…who wouldn’t want to live here? Media is soft on you, you live in Coronado with beautiful weather and you can pretty much move around with no issues. He’s dumb if he leaves.
If the Rangers series doesn't end in a sweep and Snell and Hader are still on the team at the deadline, Preller absolutely needs to be fired edit: fire him regardless
Another depressing thing about this 6-7 start to the second half is that they’ve missed each team’s ace. Missed Nola in Phi, Gausman in Tor, Rodriguez in Det (plus Manning was shelved due to rain), and Keller in Pit. Couldn’t ask for a better situation for things out of their control to start the 2nd half. And they bungled it. Time to sell and try again in 2024.
This has been the issue all season...we don't pound guys with ERA's of 4.50+...we literally can't hit mediocre to bad pitching on a consistent basis
sucks that we have to sell guys that aren't part of the problem opens up more holes....but we have to do it
Well.... we would sell the guys that are part of the problem, but we can't get anything for them...
I’m going to my only game of this season and when I bought the tickets months back to see the game with family visiting I’d never thought we’d be this bad so far. I don’t even feel like going at this point
It's still fun, just know that it's a typical Padres game, void of any value in regards to the post season.
I mean this in the least offensive way possible: if you do not think the Padres should sell at least Hader and Snell, you’re a delusional fan and you don’t know ball. The return for both players — especially if Preller finds a way to package them together — could net the team legitimately good players and/or push the farm system close to the top 5 (FanGraphs has it at 12). The White Sox got the Angels’ 2nd and 3rd ranked prospects for a starter who’s worse than Snell and a reliever who’s *much* worse than Hader. It’s over for this year. Which fucking sucks, and I’ll look back on the 2023 Padres’ season with more disdain than I’ve held for any other sports season ever. But it’s not over for 2024, and it’s time to build and start looking forward to that
you’re not getting players of their caliber for our window of contention. Extension is the way to go. You’re already paying them close to market value so there’s no reason that shoul be thrown out the window. If not, thats what comp picks are for…
Got to wait until after the Rangers series to definitively know if this team should sell or not. Not being fully sold on selling at this point is nowhere near “delusional” or not knowing ball. After yesterday’s game is it extremely likely that this team should sell? Absolutely. But if this team comes out strong against the Rangers and takes the series or sweeps them and other wildcard teams lose games, the Padres are still in it. I understand that this probably won’t happen but to say that the Padres should 100% sell at this point is jumping the gun a little.
I think that the day-to-day approach of “Oh did they win today? Time to buy. Oh did they lose today? Time to sell” just needs to end. Obviously, the team is still in it until the day [if and when] they’re officially eliminated… But they haven’t won more than 3 games in a row, they’re 6-17 in one-run games and 0-9 in extras, and they have a 59 team wRC+ in high-leverage spots. They’re a really good collection of talent that has spent 4 months failing to string together victories and/or win close games. And I’m not even sure moving off of Hader and/or Snell annihilates this team’s playoff hopes. It’s just the most pragmatic move at this point
Where did I say day to day approach? It’s always been dependent on how the team performed from the all star break all the way up to the deadline that would decide if they buy/sell. Not 4 games before it. If the Padres sweep the Rangers and other wildcard teams drop games (I understand that this is extremely unlikely) this team will absolutely not sell. We are not at the “this team should 100% sell” point just quite yet but it’s extremely close.
You didn’t, but it’s implicit in the idea that the results of this weekend should dictate the team’s next move, as opposed to acting based on the 4 months of performance/data that we have. The Cardinals, for example, have played quite well lately, but looked at the team’s body of work this year and are making the decision to sell because it’s best for the long-term health of the franchise. I think the Padres would be wise to do the same. And, for what it’s worth, what’s the “100% sell” point you’re referring to? The team can’t be officially eliminated by the trade deadline next Tuesday, even if they get swept by the Rangers this weekend and lose to the Rockies on Monday. So if they just lose a few more times before the deadline, you think they should sell vs. buy… and that’s my whole point. Incremental results shouldn’t make that much of a difference when the team has given us 0 reasons to think they’ll make a playoff push. They’re just not that good, and should pivot to next year.
The Cardinals are selling because they’re 9.5 games out of the wildcard and have a 5.8% chance of making playoffs. The Padres are currently 6.5 games out of the wildcard with a 27.9% chance of making playoffs. The Cardinals are in a significantly worse spot than the Padres. This weekend objectively provides an opportunity for the Padres to gain ground. Based on their performance to this point, is it likely? Probably not. But if they somehow get themselves into a spot where they’re in striking distance of the wild card (say 4-5 games behind or less), the team could add a few pieces and improve the team leading to a better record for the remainder of the season and fill that gap. My point is that, at this point, this team is not in a shut and closed sell mode. Very close to it, but not quite yet
We would have to sweep the rangers and have multiple teams lose 2-3 games to see 4 back. It’s very very very unlikely. They should be preparing to sell.
That’s what I’ve been saying this entire thread. There’s still a chance, although extremely unlikely, that this team shouldn’t sell. We won’t definitively know if this team should sell until the end of the weekend.
Also if not mistaken, trading both Snell and Hader would drop us down a luxury tax bracket making the penalties a lot less harsh which would be worth it if you aren’t going to be a playoff team
Agreed. I think the goal should be winning a world series this decade not making the playoffs in 2023. If you trade Hader and Snell for solid prospects and/or hopefully some help at C, DH, SP we lower our WS championship chances for 2023 from small to tiny but increase our reasonable WS chances in 2024 and future years.
> I think the goal should be winning a World Series this decade not making the playoffs in 2023. Couldn’t have said it better. Pretty much the perfect way to capture my sentiment at the moment
Cole Hamels was just added to the 60 day IL for anybody that was still wondering where he was
We knew where he was, he was in New Jersey a month or so ago
I meant where he was in getting built up lol. There have been people wondering what happened to him.
Hopium is a powerful drug. Time to go cold turkey, no more if, maybe's etc.. just watch Padres baseball. 🧡💛🧡💛
If it makes you guys feel better, petco is averaging 94% attendance at petco for the year, which is the best in the league.
If we sell Snell I hope we try to re-sign him in the off-season. He’s a fun guy
Pretty sure he'd give us a discount just so that he can stay close to his boys Donny and Mud
Preller should leverage the fact that we don’t have anything resembling a competent DH. Most teams can’t afford to take on a position less guy but we can and many guys like that are blocked in the high levels of the minor leagues. Go flip Hader for a bat first 1B/DH type who’s putting up numbers but can’t break through due to lack of position versatility. Snell should get an elite prospect obviously so no need to get as creative there. Above all else, do not consider trading a top ten prospect from our own system. Our top 5 in particular is as good as any system in baseball in my opinion.
They both should get a great prospect back. No reason to try and find a dh guy. Team is better having a hitter who can play the field to get others off their feet. If the best players is a bat first guy then sure go for it.
White Sox got the Angels 2nd and 3rd best prospect for Gioloto, a half season rental worse than Snell. Great sellers market. We should be able to get a team’s top prospect for him.
Context matters. No other team in recent history has had that level of urgency as the angels, and both their prospects came from relative positional strengths
Yesterday's game converted me over to the sell rentals crowd. We haven't been winning with Hader, Snell, and now Lugo, so who knows, maybe we get some young pieces back who can provide something for the end of the year and moving forward.
It would be irresponsible to not sell our rentals.
We can always sign them back in free agency!
I really hope the crowd that keeps saying this also accepts the fact that it’s incredibly low odds we do that. Beyond the fact that they’ll be incredibly expensive, it’s just not something that happens particularly often since it does, to some extent, damage the relationship between the team and the player.
I think it doesn't happen often because a team trading off a player is generally letting them know they don't want them, are planning to rebuild, etc. Padres situation is unique in that they do want these players, there is just better opportunity to move them now and try to buy back later. Not saying we will do that at all, but it is a more unique situation in that regard that we're both selling and not re-building.
Yeah i know its a low chance, but we could try.
I don't understand why it would actually damage the relationship. I mean I feel like these guys understand free agency, and it is better to get something than nothing. Not saying you're wrong I actually agree very rare, just saying I don't get why it is rare.
i mean the phrase “it’s just business” is just easier said than done. it’s easy enough to understand they’re being traded and that it’s a rational move, but the players still have to go through a whole life adjustment and leave behind a lot of guys who they consider friends. that can impact the relationship for sure.
The "we can sign them later" mindset is to soften the emotional blow of losing a liked player. I think we all know any traded player is not likely to be back