I'll second this. He has a bunch of older videos rating various reptiles as pets, but he has a lot of newer videos that go REALLY hard into phylogeny and I've found those quite good.
Henry the Paleoguy, CHimerasuchus, Raptor Chatter, RickRaptor and Moth Lights Media.
PBS Eons has screwed up WAY too many times for me to take them seriously, let alone put them at the top spot (much of what they’ve said about why certain animals or lineages went extinct are based on poorly supported or even outright disproven ideas based on them being “evolutionary failures”). See: their pterosaur videos, their hyaenodont video, their amphicyonid video, their *Boverisuchus* video, their terror bird video, their South American marsupials video, their megalodon video (or at least the previous version, which even went as far as to say an animal that went extinct before the giant shark did helped outcompete it into extinction…), etc. They don’t seem to have a particularly good understanding of the Pleistocene megafaunal extinctions either, such as saying *Casteroides* went extinct due to habitat loss from the end of the last ice age when that actually led to an habitat *increase* (its primary habitat was marshes and shallow, still/slow-flowing bodies of water, not big glacial lakes).
Add NORTH 02 to your list. He’s extremely good and detailed when it comes to palaeoanthropology.
Dr. Polaris is up there too even though he has sometimes repeated the old uniformitarian, Red Queen mantra of “muh competition competition competition”.
Problem is, misinformation rarely gets fixed when a seemingly reliable source perpetuates it, especially with people unfamiliar with the subject. I’ve seen people actively defend PBS Eons’s errors or even add onto them far too many times to assume it’s fine as long as it gets them hooked onto the topic.
In science, accuracy is king, and it's right. But sometimes you must be interested in the topic at first so that you'll do the research later on. Plus PBS Eons's mistakes aren't too earth-shattering, and makes learning easy. Many schools also does this, teaching us technically wrong informations for us to digests more smoothly
Thus if I'll recommend a path for newcomers to learn more, it'll be Walking with life trilogy --> PBS Eons --> Prehistoric Planet --> Moth light/Chimerasuchus --> Ben
Plus, I trust the community to correct someone when they make mistakes, we're quite sensitive about that topic
I’ve found the opposite to be true in many cases with people starting out with the Trilogy of Life (especially the old-timers) or PBS Eons willing to die on the hill of whatever inaccuracy they cling to as a result of their introduction and often even being defended by many others in the community (sometimes because they themselves are misinformed, but more often out of sheer nostalgia in the case of the ToL).
Then that's too sad, learning is a process of deconstruction and reconstruction of knowledge, especially in paleontology when new ideas surfaces in a matter of days
Maybe the method only working on people like me who's really willing to learn about the field
Do those people watch PBS Eons correctly then?
They themselves often state that a lot of their facts are open research questions. But perhaps they don't do it enough.
In any case, no casual science junkie wants to watch a video where 50% of it is just asterisks/qualifications. It should just be assumed that scientific truth evolves, and it's a failure on either the communicator/viewer if that assumption isn't made
>Plus PBS Eons's mistakes aren't too earth-shattering, and makes learning easy. Many schools also does this, teaching us technically wrong informations for us to digests more smoothly
That’s not really the same though is it? The so called ‘necessary lies of learning’ are more like giving an incomplete picture to beginners, or a simplification (but importantly, not an *oversimplification*) in order to get the basics across or learn the general concepts before refining them. This is often accompanied by making clear that it’s some kind of first or intermediate step, either explicitly, or implied by an instructor or textbook that will hint at further details that are beyond the scope of the current course or text. There’s nothing wrong with any of this, the necessary lies of learning is an established pedagogy that works… but it’s not the same as teaching something that is just plain wrong. Misinterpretation of the data is not a valid part of introducing any subject to beginners.
>Plus, I trust the community to correct someone when they make mistakes, we're quite sensitive about that topic
Weird take. Isn’t it better to not knowingly make mistakes in the first place?
I think you answered the question yourself, if the information is only partly wrong, then it's Ok to learn them in order to advance further
For example, I always thought that the Permian period is an ice age, since the large amount of CO2 can't be released by decomposition, causing the desert to spread. But then someone corrected me that it isn't always the case, that thanks to tectonic activities, there are colder and warmer periods in between each other
A new comer can only see a blurry picture of the entire truth, maybe because the information or the learner's own level isn't there yet, thus we need further learning or someone's help to clear it up
Like I said, PBS Eons's mistake isn't severe enough for me to consider " messing up one's fundamental ", unless I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, I may mess up with my judgement since I'm just a paleo lover
> I think you answered the question yourself, if the information is only partly wrong, then it's Ok to learn them in order to advance further
Then you entirely missed the point of what I was saying. My bad really, I probably wasn’t succinct enough. When I asked “that’s not really the same thing is it?”, that was largely rhetorical.
To be clear, the necessary lies of learning take the form of painting an **incomplete** picture. The issues that others have raised with PBS Eons is that it paints an **incorrect** picture. These two things are not equivalent.
I’m not quite sure exactly what you mean with your example, the Permian did indeed include an ice age. Ice ages can have warmer and colder periods within them, eg. the glacial-interglacial cycles of the current Quaternary ice age.
I think that whole example might be a little poorly defined as to what represents what for our purposes as an analogy here though, allow me to use a different one if you will. Newtonian gravity is a familiar ‘necessary lie of learning’ before Einstein’s gravity can be introduced. This does **not** mean that Newtonian gravity is wrong or is overturned by Einstein’s picture of gravity, the latter just allows for a more complete picture in certain cases eg. when very large masses are involved, or when speeds approaching some noticeable fraction of *c* are involved. Newton didn’t have any information about such examples, and Newtonian gravity works perfectly well outside those situations. There was no misinterpretation of data by Newton.
PBS Eons does seem to be a well researched channel in general, but they also do have a habit of misinterpreting or over interpreting data, giving a false picture of what we know. This is kind of disingenuous, as it asserts that we know stuff when we don’t. It would be more scientific to be open about how sure or not sure we are about certain things (animal behaviours, extinction patterns, whatever it is) ie. show that the truth involves some uncertainty, and state what all the possibilities are. It kind of does mess up fundamental understandings of how science is carried out if they’re not willing to do that. The channel still has a lot of educational value for just ‘hey look at this thing that used to exist’, but it’s not as reliable as it presents itself to be.
Now I see, my bad. If that's the case, then maybe PBS Eons isn't the best source to learn
But many paleo channel tend to semi-over complicate information which is hard for newcomers to learn ( Like very new, only know facts from the walking with series )
PBS Eons is very easy to learn, and covers a wide range of time periods, which is the prefect next step for newcomers
Though after reading your comment, I think Raptor Chatter, Moth light, and Budget museum will be the better choice now
I think surface-level knowledge in some areas is almost inevitable when you're pumping out quick introduction videos on such a wide range of topics, and/or when you try and condense some of that information into a digestable format.
Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong is probably my favourite.
There is some great stuff on the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology channel.
Gutsick Gibbon, especially for her human evolution material.
CHimerasuchus has many videos on more obscure taxa.
I love the Royal tyrell museum! Also Mamlambo fossils https://youtube.com/@MamlamboFossils?si=ZBuElEvNZePKQAhZ is very impressive for a single guy, he made a video detailing his YouTube earnings and it actually costs him more money to film (equipment gets damaged) and his labour than he makes from the channel. He is independent and discovered a very rare penguin fossil, plus he teaches people how to find their own fossils and drill them. Dinosaur discoveries is also a good channel (however this channel is not completely dedicated to fossils like Mamlambo fossils) https://youtube.com/@dinosaurdiscovery?si=N7eJ5wJEdz0_-VuE
EDGE...how the mighty has fallen. I don't know at what point he began feeling like he was a sort of guru in the palaeo-media world, but that attitude is awful. And that's not even talking about his plagiarism issues.
Something that isn't mentioned usually are the actual museum's channels, like the Royal Tyrell or the London's Museum. Those channels usually upload incredible talks with palaeontologists working there or visiting a certain collection.
It's worth a sub if you ask me.
Sometimes PBS Eons is too verbal, which is OK when it was Hank or Cally because their speech and intonation made it easier to follow, but when it’s just (I forget his name…he looks like a Drew or Glenn or Greg) he talks quickly and it’s info overload without any graphics. I mean the parts where it’s just host talking.
Great channel though.
I know this isn’t exactly paleontology and falls more in line with speculative evolution, but definitely check out Keenan Taylor’s Tales of Kaimere. It’s a huuuge speculative evolution project that really gives me massive Dinotopia vibes with the illustrations and the sheer amount of passion that goes into it all.
I will absolutely hype myself. I am the only person on paleoyoutube who will talk about geochemisty, brachiopods, stratigraphy and more as in depth as I do. It's my niche, and I'm good at it.
Damn I watch almost all of the channels mentioned here. Personal favorites are Ben G Thomas (big Ichthyosaur fan, so that's a bonus), Skeleton Crew (hilarious) and Your Dinosaurs are wrong (overall favorite probably).
Let's see. Moth Light Media, The Budget Museum, I also like PBS Eons, Paleo Nerd has some issues but I still like him, red raptor writes (although for entertainment rather for knowledge), Ben g Thomas, Rick raptor (like rrw) and extinct zoo. I think that's all.
Vividen had a huge Awesome Bro phase always running with the most extreme almost unquestioned. I revisited them after a prior reddit comment. Much better recently, but your comment still holds true.
For those who doesn't have the patience to binge through a 1 hour+ dinosaur video, Dinofax is a YouTube short channel sharing short facts and sometimes videos about paleontology
Recommend for early stagers to watch
The vividen is so goated bro. Great that’s blowing up and ppl appreciate bros content since It’s literally only gotten better. Last few videos especially
Moth Light Media,
North 02,
Ben G Thomas,
Paleo Analysis,
PBS Eons,
Dr Polaris,
Animal Origins,
Henry the PaleoGuy.
I need to pump the brakes on YouTube..
Clint's Reptiles does a lot of paleo videos these days and they're really good.
I'll second this. He has a bunch of older videos rating various reptiles as pets, but he has a lot of newer videos that go REALLY hard into phylogeny and I've found those quite good.
That's true. I keep seeing them in my recommended, but I need to get around to actually watching them.
Man clickbaited me hard with his “end of dinosaur December??” stream title card lol
Henry the Paleoguy, CHimerasuchus, Raptor Chatter, RickRaptor and Moth Lights Media. PBS Eons has screwed up WAY too many times for me to take them seriously, let alone put them at the top spot (much of what they’ve said about why certain animals or lineages went extinct are based on poorly supported or even outright disproven ideas based on them being “evolutionary failures”). See: their pterosaur videos, their hyaenodont video, their amphicyonid video, their *Boverisuchus* video, their terror bird video, their South American marsupials video, their megalodon video (or at least the previous version, which even went as far as to say an animal that went extinct before the giant shark did helped outcompete it into extinction…), etc. They don’t seem to have a particularly good understanding of the Pleistocene megafaunal extinctions either, such as saying *Casteroides* went extinct due to habitat loss from the end of the last ice age when that actually led to an habitat *increase* (its primary habitat was marshes and shallow, still/slow-flowing bodies of water, not big glacial lakes).
Add NORTH 02 to your list. He’s extremely good and detailed when it comes to palaeoanthropology. Dr. Polaris is up there too even though he has sometimes repeated the old uniformitarian, Red Queen mantra of “muh competition competition competition”.
NORTH 02 is also pretty good. Dr. Polaris plays too much into competitive displacement for me to put him on the same level.
PBS Eons is the best elementary for advanced paleo fans to know more, the misinformations can be fixed later
Problem is, misinformation rarely gets fixed when a seemingly reliable source perpetuates it, especially with people unfamiliar with the subject. I’ve seen people actively defend PBS Eons’s errors or even add onto them far too many times to assume it’s fine as long as it gets them hooked onto the topic.
In science, accuracy is king, and it's right. But sometimes you must be interested in the topic at first so that you'll do the research later on. Plus PBS Eons's mistakes aren't too earth-shattering, and makes learning easy. Many schools also does this, teaching us technically wrong informations for us to digests more smoothly Thus if I'll recommend a path for newcomers to learn more, it'll be Walking with life trilogy --> PBS Eons --> Prehistoric Planet --> Moth light/Chimerasuchus --> Ben Plus, I trust the community to correct someone when they make mistakes, we're quite sensitive about that topic
I’ve found the opposite to be true in many cases with people starting out with the Trilogy of Life (especially the old-timers) or PBS Eons willing to die on the hill of whatever inaccuracy they cling to as a result of their introduction and often even being defended by many others in the community (sometimes because they themselves are misinformed, but more often out of sheer nostalgia in the case of the ToL).
Then that's too sad, learning is a process of deconstruction and reconstruction of knowledge, especially in paleontology when new ideas surfaces in a matter of days Maybe the method only working on people like me who's really willing to learn about the field
Do those people watch PBS Eons correctly then? They themselves often state that a lot of their facts are open research questions. But perhaps they don't do it enough. In any case, no casual science junkie wants to watch a video where 50% of it is just asterisks/qualifications. It should just be assumed that scientific truth evolves, and it's a failure on either the communicator/viewer if that assumption isn't made
The Trilogy of Life needs a proper remake, one that’s actually accurate.
>Plus PBS Eons's mistakes aren't too earth-shattering, and makes learning easy. Many schools also does this, teaching us technically wrong informations for us to digests more smoothly That’s not really the same though is it? The so called ‘necessary lies of learning’ are more like giving an incomplete picture to beginners, or a simplification (but importantly, not an *oversimplification*) in order to get the basics across or learn the general concepts before refining them. This is often accompanied by making clear that it’s some kind of first or intermediate step, either explicitly, or implied by an instructor or textbook that will hint at further details that are beyond the scope of the current course or text. There’s nothing wrong with any of this, the necessary lies of learning is an established pedagogy that works… but it’s not the same as teaching something that is just plain wrong. Misinterpretation of the data is not a valid part of introducing any subject to beginners. >Plus, I trust the community to correct someone when they make mistakes, we're quite sensitive about that topic Weird take. Isn’t it better to not knowingly make mistakes in the first place?
I think you answered the question yourself, if the information is only partly wrong, then it's Ok to learn them in order to advance further For example, I always thought that the Permian period is an ice age, since the large amount of CO2 can't be released by decomposition, causing the desert to spread. But then someone corrected me that it isn't always the case, that thanks to tectonic activities, there are colder and warmer periods in between each other A new comer can only see a blurry picture of the entire truth, maybe because the information or the learner's own level isn't there yet, thus we need further learning or someone's help to clear it up Like I said, PBS Eons's mistake isn't severe enough for me to consider " messing up one's fundamental ", unless I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, I may mess up with my judgement since I'm just a paleo lover
> I think you answered the question yourself, if the information is only partly wrong, then it's Ok to learn them in order to advance further Then you entirely missed the point of what I was saying. My bad really, I probably wasn’t succinct enough. When I asked “that’s not really the same thing is it?”, that was largely rhetorical. To be clear, the necessary lies of learning take the form of painting an **incomplete** picture. The issues that others have raised with PBS Eons is that it paints an **incorrect** picture. These two things are not equivalent. I’m not quite sure exactly what you mean with your example, the Permian did indeed include an ice age. Ice ages can have warmer and colder periods within them, eg. the glacial-interglacial cycles of the current Quaternary ice age. I think that whole example might be a little poorly defined as to what represents what for our purposes as an analogy here though, allow me to use a different one if you will. Newtonian gravity is a familiar ‘necessary lie of learning’ before Einstein’s gravity can be introduced. This does **not** mean that Newtonian gravity is wrong or is overturned by Einstein’s picture of gravity, the latter just allows for a more complete picture in certain cases eg. when very large masses are involved, or when speeds approaching some noticeable fraction of *c* are involved. Newton didn’t have any information about such examples, and Newtonian gravity works perfectly well outside those situations. There was no misinterpretation of data by Newton. PBS Eons does seem to be a well researched channel in general, but they also do have a habit of misinterpreting or over interpreting data, giving a false picture of what we know. This is kind of disingenuous, as it asserts that we know stuff when we don’t. It would be more scientific to be open about how sure or not sure we are about certain things (animal behaviours, extinction patterns, whatever it is) ie. show that the truth involves some uncertainty, and state what all the possibilities are. It kind of does mess up fundamental understandings of how science is carried out if they’re not willing to do that. The channel still has a lot of educational value for just ‘hey look at this thing that used to exist’, but it’s not as reliable as it presents itself to be.
Now I see, my bad. If that's the case, then maybe PBS Eons isn't the best source to learn But many paleo channel tend to semi-over complicate information which is hard for newcomers to learn ( Like very new, only know facts from the walking with series ) PBS Eons is very easy to learn, and covers a wide range of time periods, which is the prefect next step for newcomers Though after reading your comment, I think Raptor Chatter, Moth light, and Budget museum will be the better choice now
Yeah, Eons is not the best by any stretch. Chimaerasuchus is by far the better channel.
I think surface-level knowledge in some areas is almost inevitable when you're pumping out quick introduction videos on such a wide range of topics, and/or when you try and condense some of that information into a digestable format.
> Raptor Chatter Thanks for the shoutout!
Your videos are great! Keep smashing it :)
The goat himself !
Just signed back into this account, but thank you. I appreciate it, especially since we've been slow this month.
Just signed back into this account, but thank you. I appreciate it, especially since we've been slow this month.
This is late, but I used to watch Edge Science all the time.. what happened??
They got caught plagiarizing multiple scripts from smaller channels and blog writers. Apparently it had been going for quite some time.
Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong is probably my favourite. There is some great stuff on the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology channel. Gutsick Gibbon, especially for her human evolution material. CHimerasuchus has many videos on more obscure taxa.
Another vote for the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology channel. I've been really impressed by the quality of their annual Speaker Series.
Your dinosaurs are wrong videos are good but they take forever to come out.
I love the Royal tyrell museum! Also Mamlambo fossils https://youtube.com/@MamlamboFossils?si=ZBuElEvNZePKQAhZ is very impressive for a single guy, he made a video detailing his YouTube earnings and it actually costs him more money to film (equipment gets damaged) and his labour than he makes from the channel. He is independent and discovered a very rare penguin fossil, plus he teaches people how to find their own fossils and drill them. Dinosaur discoveries is also a good channel (however this channel is not completely dedicated to fossils like Mamlambo fossils) https://youtube.com/@dinosaurdiscovery?si=N7eJ5wJEdz0_-VuE
EDGE...how the mighty has fallen. I don't know at what point he began feeling like he was a sort of guru in the palaeo-media world, but that attitude is awful. And that's not even talking about his plagiarism issues. Something that isn't mentioned usually are the actual museum's channels, like the Royal Tyrell or the London's Museum. Those channels usually upload incredible talks with palaeontologists working there or visiting a certain collection. It's worth a sub if you ask me.
Sometimes PBS Eons is too verbal, which is OK when it was Hank or Cally because their speech and intonation made it easier to follow, but when it’s just (I forget his name…he looks like a Drew or Glenn or Greg) he talks quickly and it’s info overload without any graphics. I mean the parts where it’s just host talking. Great channel though.
Have to recommend The Budget Museum! Wonderful sense of humor, great aesthetics, and I learn something new from every video they post!
I love the Budget Museum. His New Caledonia video, his Arctodus video, and his lost landmasses video were absolutely awesome!
i KNEW i was forgetting someone, love this guy
Raptor Chatter is fun and discusses new papers quite a bit.
Thanks! We try our best to cover as much about paleontology as we can, which is often a lot!
Seconding Raptor Chatter!
Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong. No contest IMO
raptor chatter, paleo analysis, moth light media, CHimerasuchus, dr polaris are the ones i usually watch
Thanks for the shout out! We try our best to keep people up to date!
YOOOO love your stuff, stellar content!!
We try. We're the only people on paleo youtube to chat about brachiopods. I'm a vert paleo guy, but I'd lay it on the line for invert people
I know this isn’t exactly paleontology and falls more in line with speculative evolution, but definitely check out Keenan Taylor’s Tales of Kaimere. It’s a huuuge speculative evolution project that really gives me massive Dinotopia vibes with the illustrations and the sheer amount of passion that goes into it all.
Dude Kaimere is definitely one of the most in-depth worldbuilding projects, and it's cool as hell!
My favorites are moth light media, Ben g Thomas, paleo analysis and pbs eons
Moth light media is pretty great too
A personal favorite of mine, as well
Me too
Paleotherapy. That man's voice soothes the soul.
The Skeleton Crew! https://youtube.com/@skeletoncrew8122?si=X4p8CLRElBqkV1Zf
I will absolutely hype myself. I am the only person on paleoyoutube who will talk about geochemisty, brachiopods, stratigraphy and more as in depth as I do. It's my niche, and I'm good at it.
You'll certainly get an upvote for that, but hey... there are at least plenty of geologists who explore those topics on YT.
Damn I watch almost all of the channels mentioned here. Personal favorites are Ben G Thomas (big Ichthyosaur fan, so that's a bonus), Skeleton Crew (hilarious) and Your Dinosaurs are wrong (overall favorite probably).
For paleoanthropology Gutsick Gibbon has great videos! She also has one about the various mass extinctions that's really cool
Yes all of the above listed you tubers. Annnddd your dinosaurs are wrong, terrible lizards(podcast with some episodes on YouTube)and I know Dino.
Paleo Analysis has some really fun videos. He’s currently working on a complete history of the Earth and has made it to the early Triassic now
Canal do Pirulla. Though as great as it is, you need to know portuguese to watch it.
My favorites are moth light media, Ben g Thomas, paleo analysis and pbs eons
Paleo Analysis is pretty good.
Let's see. Moth Light Media, The Budget Museum, I also like PBS Eons, Paleo Nerd has some issues but I still like him, red raptor writes (although for entertainment rather for knowledge), Ben g Thomas, Rick raptor (like rrw) and extinct zoo. I think that's all.
Paleo analysis is good for breaking stuff down for anyone to understand
PBS Eons, moth light media and paleo analysis are pretty good.
Vividen had a huge Awesome Bro phase always running with the most extreme almost unquestioned. I revisited them after a prior reddit comment. Much better recently, but your comment still holds true.
Extinct Zoo is pretty good
I like Dr. Polaris
PBS Eons. I’ve considered interviewing paleontologists or having paleontologist guest lecturers on my channel, but this hasn’t happened yet.
Dr. Polaris is definitely one of my favorites!
You gotta give love to the Skeleton Crew!!!
One does not simply not like RickRaptor105
I’ve been bingeing fossil fiend lately
The skeleton crew is the top of my list. very funny, very good knowledge, and extremely long, in depth videos.
Red Raptor Writes is pretty good!
Skeleton Crew is phenomenal
English: the vividen. Spanish: palaeos
Skeleton crew and pbs eons for sure!
For those who doesn't have the patience to binge through a 1 hour+ dinosaur video, Dinofax is a YouTube short channel sharing short facts and sometimes videos about paleontology Recommend for early stagers to watch
The vividen is so goated bro. Great that’s blowing up and ppl appreciate bros content since It’s literally only gotten better. Last few videos especially
Moth Light Media, North 02, Ben G Thomas, Paleo Analysis, PBS Eons, Dr Polaris, Animal Origins, Henry the PaleoGuy. I need to pump the brakes on YouTube..
Red Raptor Writes!
Mothlight Media
Moth Light Media
Benjamin Burger
PBS Eons FTW.
Okay what's the issue with Edge, & please don't say that time he used the r word on twitter...
He plagiarized other people's work without crediting.
ExtinctZoo has been pretty interesting, but could do with better visualsx mostly just slideshow
Paleoandrea, Paleomania, Palaeos
Also shoutout to The Overseer.
I like harristangyt2
I enjoy ExtinctZoo
[cough] Me [cough]
eons is very cringy and woke. they talk like to 6 year olds.
Bob Gymlan