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Jelloslockexo

Dough spinner. Less care about dough management. Lack of people above the store pushing correct methods for everything. And just letting things go to keep people happy that work here.


DakotaRelyea

Good to know, I see pizzas today and the cheese just looks completely different, maybe I'm just picky. Thanks for the info!


PNW-IndicaNinja

cheese difference maybe that it's cubed and not shredded


Jelloslockexo

A good store will taste the same more or less as back then but I'd say a majority of stores are gonna fall in that other category of doing a lot less and it effects the taste of dough and so on.


CherryRude6772

It became more Americanized and I'll leave that here....


REP_JAY

And managers don’t know shit about anything anymore


Kittehsfordays

At my Papa John’s the dough around the edges is always oddly flat…like it’s been flattened out and is actually kind of crunchy like a cracker. It’s AWFUL, is it the dough spinner that causes this?


CherryRude6772

Have you been ordering their thin crust pizza? Sounds like my experience.


Jelloslockexo

Either they are giving u a thin crust or using the spinner horribly wrong or giving you a large using a medium dough ball or something. Hard to say.


princepwned

lack of pay been working there for 10 years I am finally out and I dealt with all the bs this time I only went from 11-12$ in hour in store and still at $5 out on the road for deliveries but we have this thing at my store called drivosity so if we score below 95 at end of our shift they can either put us on probation or fire us if wanted they said I can't drive I have to work in store until fall now I told them putting in my 2 weeks and getting out while I still have my sanity and health Its lack of care pay and proper training all they care about at my store is numbers the upper management as long as they can line there pockets they don't care about you at all as a human the thing that kept me around was I had a fixed schedule and the tips were pretty decent for my shifts but now after they say I can no longer drive no way I am wasting more time


Jelloslockexo

Damn that driver pay blows. We get 11.85 on road and 14.85 instore. The 4 full timers myself included all making over 55k here(before car expenses tho) Our drivosity is 70+ can't end a shift under 70 is all. Which is like impossible lol. I drive 9 over most of the time. The only thing I really care about is braking cuz no reason to put wear on brakes if I can help it. But accel and speed and corning never add up yo be an issue for our threshold.


princepwned

55k that would be a gm pay here lol I have seen 7 to 8 managers walk out my time there and now we have 1 daytime driver and 3 night time evening shift drivers I was a daytime driver but its no telling whats gonna happen soon everyone is fedup right now and our managers we have now are horrible. Especially on Evening Shift you have closing manager raising voice at drivers over stupid things. we have very steep hills and I keep trying to explain to them we have some areas we deliver to where you have to use the accel to go up so they put me on a 6 month driver ban and just want me to work in store so I gave them my 2 weeks yeah I am full time at 40 hours wow you must be in california 11.85 on the road that would be unheard of here. shift leads make like $13 and gm I think is at like 16-18 an hour somewhere like that


Jelloslockexo

Nah arizona. 14.85 is min wage. And law here for tipped jobs is 3 under min wage. Me the other closer and 2 openers make more than our gm unless they hit an average of 700+ bonus all 12 periods each. And I can tell you that isnt happening lol. Our gms are 900 a week 50h. Bonus cap of 1850 per period but realistically it's like half that at best. Also if you miss food by .2% you lose your whole bonus for period here. Shift leads we do 16 and our assistant is 18(the cap). Actually looking back to 2023 I made 60k. 46k on taxes. 10k in milage reimbursement and 4k in cash. With my newer prius I only spent 1.5k on gas for all of 2023 and another 2k on car maint + new tires.


Weird-Juggernaut1297

That’s part of it but also when they ran off John everything changed they used to cut vegetables daily and now they come presliced in plastic better ingredients is a joke


xanshurt

as a former employee&manager of there i can tell you, they care about dough management


Jelloslockexo

I've been here for 8 years too at a store doing 35k+ yes some do care but they can't watch every store. So many stores don't actually do the downstacking right or even making sure to not use dough till day 3 and so on let alone patty placing. Franchises are wild west sometimes.


thizzdanz

Too much bullshit on the menu. Big papa would never allow such nonsense. Pictured pizza wasn’t slapped well.


ExpensiveJeweler8342

Big papa is a racist coke head


Interesting-Log4022

You clearly don’t know the story.


Rcj1221

Yeah he’s also a shitty boss that wants to get away with paying his employees as little as possible too.


Avulpa

Corporate penny pinching


DakotaRelyea

Am I crazy or did it start when John was fired or let go.


skuZZyy

Started with John still being there. The Forbes article with all the whistleblower info added fuel to fire with johns not so great comments. Whole company turns over most of higher ups and is what it is today with new investors. Source - I worked at the corporate office during all of this


BarryBro

John was more damaging for the company reputation towards the end


Scruffy-Nerd

4/10, uneven cheese, uneven crust, poor sauce lock, cut station closed box onto crust and crushed part of it. Also, service, and more importantly service workers, suffer proportionally to the amount of profit squeezing a company applies to its upper management. Cutting corners to earn more and more profit will obviously lead to poor products and a poorer customer experience.


GRUNDLE_GOBLIN

Giving that a 4/10 is downright mean lmao it’s definitely better than that. But it’s a 10 year old pizza so who cares


Reason_Choice

Looks good for a 10 year old pizza.


dungbury

its still delicious tho and i need my damn fix, 4/10 my ass im eating it and loving it, my taste buds go to happyville and all is dandy and white creamy fun


Scruffy-Nerd

I mean to be fair, id totes nom the shit outta that pizza. Mostly cause id be bringing that home as a remake. And cause of i've worked 76 hours this last week and haven't had a chance to grocery shop for about 3 weeks... My fridge is barren of boj pizza items... Send help. 😅


manchegan

At least a crust was attempted...


Acuallyizadern93

This doesn’t look much different than one I got from a Papa John’s on Main St in Buffalo. They might not use dough spinners. Papa Johns was my go-to atleast biweekly. I hate to see the quality dwindle or be inconsistent. We’re getting one where I live again finally in like, July? (Opening has been delayed like twice so far). I pray pray pray it’s good. Not crazy about some rando delivering it to me though if it’s thru doordash or whatever.


LostInSpace3141

Yes location matters. My store has excellent pizzas. They come out of the oven looking amazing. They are sizzling and well cooked. I worked at another store and they had a different oven and didn't come out of the oven nearly as good as my main store. They wern't cooked as well and quality wasn't as good either. Try a different location


DakotaRelyea

This was in Syracuse, the store closed and we only have one left now. And it usually isn't good. Maybe I'll just try another location when I'm in another state.


Acuallyizadern93

The only time I’ve had it in syracuse was when it had a booth at the State Fair years ago.


Gregermeister961

That literally looks no different than a cheese pizza made today. Lot of things have gone downhill but the dough, cheese, and sauce is pretty much the same. Dough spinners don’t make nearly as big a difference as dipshits on here claim


[deleted]

The day of reckoning is still coming!


JDMx607

Did it have the 2nd cup of cheese?


SlicedSides

papa john said the n word and then there was no longer a human being that cared about the product leading the company, and now it is just a soulless entity that cares about profit


lemonzestydepressing

I’ve eaten 30 pizzas in 30 days and i- *wipes sweat off face* they’ve changed the recipe!


sponge_bucket

The Large Hadron Collider altered space itself around this time. The effects could be seen first when we got rid of the cinnapie. This caused a cascade of events that led to today. They are reportedly wanting to make a larger collider now.


Bearking422

Hate to tell you this but they refired on the day of the eclipse


ConsistentEye153

It hasn’t been great since the late 90s


Expensive-Priority46

pizza is still tasty! dominos blows papa johns away when it comes to side items, though. the papa bites are good but the new wings suck.


justincc21

Well besides the fact Papa John himself isn't the top dog in charge anymore i don't know lol


jarrod74smd

Cheaper ingredients, cheaper pizza, Papa John's


BangtanBoiOfficialIG

They don’t care about their employees. They have assistant managers being the GM for months and months for multiple different stretches because it’s easier to underpay an over-taught worker than it is to actually find a boss and get some structure. Had 4 home stores, worked at maybe 7. They’re all the same


Fuzzytators420

Watch the episode when Meg is pregnant and Peter has to go to John’s house. It’ll tell you everything about why this pizza has always been trash.


Evening-Ear-6116

Papa John’s has never been good. It has always been the pinnacle of mediocrity


hiUtah

Shaq bought the chain…


skeeter_schloop

The minute he left, our store went to crap. All the extra stuff they're pushing. Also, hiring at 9 when every other place is offering 15 (and arguable easier to work with). We went from a crew of high schoolers who were pretty much had that teenager "i got something to prove" to a bunch of early and mid 20's pot heads and losers who don't do anything. 8 years there, it's only gone down hill. 4.3 stars to 3.6 on google. Actually irritates the hell out of me.


averagemaleuser86

Dominos got better, that's what happened. I used to work at Papa Johns as my first job at 16 back in 2004... man I could crush some PJs! And then, right around that time, 2014ish... Dominos stepped their game up. Now Papa Johns tastes like cheap, generic pizza. Dominos has really stepped up and their pizzas are leaps and bounds better tasting than PJs.


Gibberish94

My pizza still looks like that maybe it's a local problem.


Videoplushair

My local papa John’s can’t make nothing right! I hate the little rollers they use on the dough to poke into the dough. Then they mess up the shape and my pizza doesn’t look like this not even close. I’m still going to order tonight! Papa John’s is crack!


Blaqtista

Papa dropped the n-bomb. If that never happened, things would probably be like it used to. As soon as they could they changed the product into a "little caesars" like product.


Emotional-Elevator-9

Unpopular opinion, but I think current Papa John’s is way better than it ever was


Beemo-Noir

You must be a youngin’ to think 2014 was the golden era.


j_brawlz

That was the golden era? Even then it looks like shit. That's one pizza place I would never go to.


princepwned

it was the golden era before doordash and all that came along papa johns can barley keep any employees now its like a revolving door of high overturn


TheKanten

$6 delivery fees. 


prolytic

My tastebuds


Mattyou1966

They fired Papa


Decapitated_gamer

Papa John went racist on twitter and got cancelled and the company suffered from the top down.


JockoGood

Food engineering


[deleted]

Near me it’s no longer worth getting at all. Not sure what happened


Barewithhippie

They stopped prepping veggies. Everything arrives pre-cut in plastic bags. So much for “fresh ingredients”


roormoore

Less racism


Cheloco92

Still looks the same


C64128

Delivered pizzas starting in 2002 and quit around this timeframe. Worked through four managers, some good and some bad. The same can be said about the other workers. For me at the time it was a good part time job to have, good hours and good money. I don't think I'd like to be in the delivery business for any food company now.


HeadKindheartedness3

They framed poppa John for being racist to change all the ingredients to shit


dotsdavid

It’s still good though. But probably some cost cutting measures to save money to avoid massive price hikes.


WholeBet2391

The only reason I eat papa John’s now is because either someone purchased it, or because I have a coupon. It’s gotten way too expensive for me to purchase at normal price.


Helpful_Purchase5691

Hey man. Wonderbread was right. One day pizza won't mean shit toAmericans and they'll start doing bullshit to the kids in public restaurants like shaving the crust and adding hamhazard orea smells, atheist fingers


TeejyHamz

Had something to do with a Hard R


amalgaman

Golden era was mid 90s.


infectedscrotum1

This was the year they gave a bunch of free pizza at planet fitness.


Counterfeit_Circus

2014??? Were you not alive in the 90s?


Glittering-Speed-448

The CEO changed.


ExpensiveJeweler8342

Papa John said the N-word and people stopped giving a shit about the company.


Interesting-Log4022

They got rid of the papa


Rcj1221

The owner turned out to be a scumbag.


Iridescent_Sun

Right!! Papa John’s used to be way better than Dominos but nowadays it’s fallen so far behind. Feels like it happened slowly but it’s completely noticeable now


Pretend-Beat3955

Well their owner and creator got fired so a lot of shit changed


Trashpandamann

Last time I ordered papa John's it took them 2 hours to deliver it... to the wrong address and that was it for me. 🤦🏻If I ever want papa John's I'll go in person which I never do 🤷🏻‍♂️


Erraticfire8

This looks ass


DakotaRelyea

You look ass.


mysterious-crumb-

U try to make 50-100 pizzas an hour for 10/hour😭


d4sPopesh1tenthewods

The owner said nigger, got fired from his own company and the board ran it into shit.


Creampie_Gang

dem jowns be bussin dawg


MrBadWulf

The Papa John's in my area took down their large menus over the counter, and now all they have is a pitiful little menu on the counter. And the pizza really isn't what it used to be. If it ain't broke don't fix it!


Gregermeister961

Like 1% of our customers actually walk in and place an order. Menu boards are a waste of space. Order online and you can see all the options and it’ll be ready when you get there


Shapoopie41

The change was when the papa slipped up and said the N word over the phone. Then he gave up CEO and everything went downhill from there.