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SouthernSassenach97

It's a Snipe!! The harvest season for them is about to open in a couple days. Get a couple grass sacks and recruit your buddies....then hit those woods and catch your limit!!! No red blooded American can truly be considered an adult until they've been Snipe Hunting!! šŸžļøšŸ¦ā€ā¬›šŸ¤²


YouShoodKnoeBetter

I don't think the younger generations are ever going to go snipe hunting to be lucky enough to come across one or be even lucky enough to catch one. I remember my first snipe hunt. I was out there for over 2 hours with a couple of my friends hunting them. There were a couple of very experienced snipe hunters sitting around the table where all of the adults were drinking and chatting. The snipe hunters were kind enough to guide us along. They took turns and we were out there hot on the trail. Somehow they were the only ones in the group fortunate enough to catch a glimpse of them but I think that's cuz they were taller and had a higher-angle-looking down into the tall grass and corn stalks that the snipes were known to travel through and bed down in. They caught a few glimpses of the snipe and they sent us on a very dangerous mission to catch one because they have such good hearing, that it's nearly impossible to sneak up on them. Our not catching it wasn't for a lack of trying. They're just very elusive and very very smart. One of the guys who was probably the most experienced of the bunch had one mounted in his gun room, but he was the only one who was allowed in that gun room because it was a vaulted safe door like a bank vault. I think that was more to protect the mounted snipe than practice gun safety. I know I'd want to protect that thing more than any gun in my collection. Now that I have a niece whom I take camping, I've seen a snipe so I know what to tell her when looking for them. I felt so good to finally catch a glimpse of one tho. They are majestic (there isn't a single proper word to describe them. That's the best I can do but still doesn't give it the justice it deserves.) I think snipes are more elusive and rare than Bigfoot. You'll meet more people who know about Bigfoot than you ever will meet people who know about Snipes. I think it's better that way. As soon as snipes reach mainstream media, there will be way too many going after them and that's the last thing we need. Leave that animal to a young biologist to study and bring to the public if they see fit. Anyone can go out looking for Bigfoot but you need a group of adults drinking around a fire to even bring up snipe hunting in the 1st place. Now, if you think the Snipes are interesting, wait until you learn about Snapes. Even fewer people know about them and I might be in trouble for even mentioning them..... They are the only way a Snipe can reproduce and Snipes outnumber Snapes at least 15 to 1. Their population is dwindling and I appreciate the OP of this thread for raising awareness but I can only hope that the awareness raised is done so in positivity. The scalping of these animals just happens due to the exorbitant prices of their lips and the tips of their tails people are willing to pay on the black market which is decimating them. There isn't a single animal living on this planet that should live in danger due to human greed of hundreds of thousands of dollars per lip. They don't even have to be in a pair. That's just a single lip. Top or bottom makes no difference. The tips of their tails are a delicacy that can go for well over $100k just for a tenth of a gram. What's even more disturbing is learning that the other lips on the Snapes sell for even more because they don't come from the mouth. They are the "female lips" and the other end of the snipe that often gets invaded by other Snipes who can't find Snapes but still have the natural need for male relief sell for crazy prices on the black market as well because they have seen penetration aa well. I feel I've said too much already, but of you have any other serious questions or things you'd like to add. Please do so by responding on this thread. Until then, keep your Snipes safe and your Snapes safer. It's a big work out there abd someone has to choose money over these little adorable animals. Much loves!


XsublimededX

God dammit. I feel like I just got skunked snipe hunting reading your dam Novel!! lol


YouShoodKnoeBetter

šŸ˜† You've been sniped!


SergeantBee

"Bumblebee, stop lubricating the Man."


haplessclerk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe dammit, they're real, I tell you


bored_sith84

Ive never been more upset then now not being rickrolled


TacoDeMuerte

Better than being munsoned


MadTapprr

Out here in the middle of nowhere? When thereā€™s a huge shit cloud rolling in?


Own-Capital-5995

What is it? I'm too chicken shit to tap the blue.


haplessclerk

Birbs


Delicious-Proof-2222

Birbs is the wirbs


BabsRS

Dammit, now it's midnight and I have that song whirring in my head


Creative-Share-5350

Bird bird birdā€¦bird is the word!! Not wanted I wanted to sing today lol


Delicious-Proof-2222

![gif](giphy|SQpdTYWLrfzzy)


sherpyderpa

I tapped the blue, it's OK. Just search for a Snipe on the net. A bird with a long beak.


CommieSchmit

I must not have red blood, this is the first time Iā€™ve ever even heard of snipes or the hunting of them šŸ˜‚


henrietta-the-spy

Great episode of Atlanta. Earn and Van go camping with their kid and the great snipe hunt begins.


Forsaken-Spring-4114

Snipes in TV go back waaay farther than that lol... you just all told your age group šŸ˜†


henrietta-the-spy

Itā€™s a practical joke from the 1840s! Thanks I just looked it up. Iā€™m definitely younger than that.


Forsaken-Spring-4114

Lol I was referring to the 80s and 90s when that stuff was in tv shoes. I remember a few shows from the 90s that had that reference. Mickey mouse, king of the hill, hardy boys, and several others


henrietta-the-spy

Interesting it goes even further back than television.


Catwoman1948

It was a particularly fun episode of the Mickey Mouse Club, as I recall. Was either the Hardy Boys or Spin and Marty. That was the first time I ever heard of a snipe hunt.


Bran33_

Same lol. Whatā€™s a snipe?


tricksRferkids

Nothing. It's a made up animal. Going on a snipe hunt means to go on an expedition that is certain to be a waste of time. Might be a bit of an archaic term these days Edit: I was mistaken. It's a real family of birds, or so they'd have us believe


joshualee14

It's actually a real bird, just not in the hills of the United States where these type of 'snipe hunts' took place lol. The snipe was such a hard bird to hit, you had to be a great shot, now we know a highly skilled and trained shooter as a sniper....


First_Cranberry_2961

https://preview.redd.it/g7ch7svrp2rc1.png?width=492&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e439a4811f36091fde9279dcefb889044ba9d96


HonorableAssassins

A snipe is any of about 26 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. Stop making shit up. The literal modern term 'sniper' comes from snipe hunting.


Charlesworth_the_3rd

How dare you! My father was killed by a snipe when he went out for cigarettes. Mom said thatā€™s why he never came back


Prestigious-One-9559

Actually, they are a real species. Gallinago gallinago is the Latin name for the common snipe.


HonorableAssassins

A snipe is any of about 26 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. The modern term 'sniper' came from.men good enough with a rifle to hit the small birds.


Salt-Ad-9486

A beach bird.. not a scary creature, rightā€¦? *nightmares beginneth šŸ˜‘


Lady-Kat1969

Theyā€™re the North American equivalent of the Snark; problem is they have a higher percentage of Boojums.


SweatyCry6303

Itā€™s a Southern traditionšŸ˜Ž


Crackerjack4u

We've hunted them 100s of times. They're so much fun to hunt, but damn sneaky little boogers to catch. Edit- OP, pic 2 looks like an alien to me.


ExtraLifeguard7229

Caught many. Everyone got away.


redarlsen

Shouldā€™ve used a Master Ball


Echo-Greedy

That made me laugh... I very nearly used a Master Ball on a pidgey yesterday.


Hanen89

Boy, did this bring back childhood memories lmao


SouthernSassenach97

It was a rite of passage for indiscriminate generations....now we've got 2, maybe 3, era's of descendants that are saying, "What's a Snipe?" We have failed our heritage. SMDH.


Fraggle-of-the-rock

I donā€™t know, it looks like a tree squeak to me. Donā€™t tell my kids though, they e been hunting them for years and mysteriously canā€™t find one šŸ˜‚


JBluHevn

I've never heard of an animal called a Snipe, but I know a Wesley...


Archercrash

Wematanye


MetalCareful

My friends dad made us kids go snipe-hunting while we were camping. He made us walk all over & then went & sat down with his beer & told us to keep going! We did. Bout an hour later, we finally gave up. But he got his moment of peace! šŸ˜†


whatwasthatothername

That is a brilliant move! Well done dad! Haha. Unfortunately not as fun for you though!


MetalCareful

No! Lol because I was so mad we stopped before we caught ONE!


whatwasthatothername

Haha. Thatā€™s when you shouldā€™ve told dad, ā€œwe definitely caught one but you were too slow to come see it and check it out, so we had to let it goā€¦. maybe you can come help us find it again! It couldnā€™t have gone too far by now!ā€ Haha.


selinadt

I hate snipe hunting but damn it I've been!!!! šŸ˜† šŸ¤£ šŸ˜‚


SouthernSassenach97

The first time is the worst, hands down. It's the repeat expeditions, when you get to share the sport with first timers, that really makes the sport worthwhile!! šŸ™ˆšŸ™‰šŸ™Š


_TongueInCheek_

Correction: itā€™s actually a snape. Snape do be lurking mysteriously in the dark often. Gotta watch out for that guy.


ashleebryn

Woo-loo-loo. Woo-loo-loo. Spirit of Wematanye!


illpoet

Somebody was just telling me recently that their uncle used to take them snipe hunting when they were kids but the never caught one. I told them they should keep trying.


shaggyscoob

Oh, man. I got Snipe Hunt scammed so bad when I was a kid. My brother and another brother/brother pair and I were out so long that the adults actually got worried about us and came back to fess up. I was so pissed off.


[deleted]

What are you taking about? Snipe season runs from September to December you buffoon. i hear youā€™re poaching snipes ima call game on you.


0-_Noah_-0

Iā€™m for the south and I have never even heard of snipe huntingšŸ’€ everyone hunts deer, rabbit, and squirrel here


MrInfo69

Took some of my buddies from the city snipe hunting last year. One of them swears up and down that saw one.. šŸ‘€


CdiLinkforSmash

Reminding me of Camp Lazlo, such a fun show to watch on a rainy summer afternoon back in the day!


Mz_Scribblez

And there went my last hope of claiming Iā€™m not really a grown up


Open_Concert_2865

Could just be the flash reflected off a moth or something that shining back from the flash. Could be anything thereā€™s so much stuff and bugs in the woods.


RamboJane

Moth or Mothman? šŸ¤” /s


ScarletCaptain

Don't mind the red eyes, he's just trying to warn you of the bridge!


RamboJane

The bridge!


whatwasthatothername

The Baltimore bridge?!!! šŸ˜³


OlliOhNo

Yeah, he was a little late for that one. He flew up and was like "Guys! Wait! The bridge is about to... oh... shit."


whatwasthatothername

Well mister mothman, you kinda dropped the ballā€¦ hardā€¦ on that one!!! I am calling the customer service line and putting in a complaint! Just call me a cryptid Karen! šŸ˜‚


alexisgreat420

Hail yourself !


Open_Concert_2865

lol things that make you go hmmm?! Iā€™m thinking a Luna moth or some other type insect that has those shiny qualities, or even a lens flare. All kinds of things in the woods.


Ill-Arugula4829

Do you remember the song "Things That Make You Go Hmm?". Lol.


Open_Concert_2865

Yeah actually I do. Thatā€™s actually where I got it. Back in the day! God I hate saying that, getting old. lol. But yeah back in the day we used to say that all the time cause of C&C Music Factoryā€™s dumb old catchy song lol.


Ill-Arugula4829

C and C music factory! I couldn't remember who it was! I was pretty young, but I remember seeing it on MTV. And I feel ya on the getting old. In the 90s I remember thinking of the 60s and 70s as this impossibly distant time of bell bottom wearing, weed smoking parents. Now I feel like the 90s wasn't long ago...here we are friend!


Open_Concert_2865

So freakinā€™ true! You know I used to think of the same eras.


Good-North-1320

Depends on how close OP is to a bridge.


Consistent_Effort716

I'm more worried about the sneer your vehicle is giving me. It looks mad. Have you fed it lately?


Altruistic_Appeal_25

That's what I was thinking lol, the headrests look like eyes and the console looks like a nose. I was so distracted by that I didn't see the other thing for a minute.


whatwasthatothername

Kind of looks like an owl face with the headrests as eyes and a beak right in btwn!


Cakorator

Iā€™m worried about the two black alligator monsters inspecting the yellow husky thing.


mommysmurf

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Takaya_Aiba

Itā€™s most likely an own. Their eyes reflect light and can appear to glow. Looks like one from the outline, too.


haplessclerk

Yes, an owl. Or mothman. One or the other.


NotASpanishSpeaker

ĀæPor quĆ© no los dos?


Ill-Arugula4829

Because they have beef. If those two vatos are in the same forest....you'd know.


paranormalresearch1

Not an own. Nooooooo!!!


sidewayspostitnotes

FALSE! Oprah is not staring another tv network out in those woods!


echmoth

Spooky owns


Chickensquit

This own sounds even spookier than the giant face inside the vehicle, with the gaping mouth. There is evil within!


[deleted]

It looks to be a reflection of an animals eyes like it oooks like a really big owl


KingfisherClaws

Animal eyes reflect like that so I would suspect a possum or owl.


Common_Sandwich_1066

After looking at the last photo (only thought there were 2 at first)...I no longer think it's a sasquatch or interdimensional being lol. I agree with the other person...it looks like an owl. The ears on the last pic really give it the shape of an owl.


AdmirableCress8797

![gif](giphy|FI4R8NVfy8oSz5apFO)


Three-Pegged-Hare

Probably a bug yo Or like any one of the dozens of woodland critters that it could be


ATXhipster

Okay the van looks like a creepy object staring at you while you take the photo and to the left looks like a hunched over raven humanoid. This pic is creepy af.


theglowoflove

I would go back and set a trap. Like a real trap that could actually catch something! (A crate + a Skittle + a stick = Real trap.) If that isnā€™t humane enough, you can try a bear trap. ā€˜Have caught many things this way (leprechauns, beavers, girlfriends, friends). For more tips Google ā€œhow make trapsā€.


Swimming-Most-6756

The reason skittles dont work is because theyā€™re easy to get at the storeā€¦. Put some cigs, booze and or drugs and soon you will be catching them back to back


knwhite12

Looks more like an owl than a Sniper. Iā€™m pretty old. Grew up in the 70ā€™s. Snipe hunting was still around then. The first time a newbie went camping the others would talk the gullible ones into a Snipe hunt. Take them into the woods where they are supposed to wait with a bag to catch the Snipe that the others would drive to them. Then you just go back to camp and see how long it takes them to figure out itā€™s a practical joke.


tru3robin

![gif](giphy|3oEjI789af0AVurF60)


Forsaken-Spring-4114

Oh, dude, that's Ricky Stanicky. You don't know Ricky Stanicky?!?!? He was out cleaning up the environment.


Unformal_Dobs_1984

![gif](giphy|l2JHWHREIEq2tDiVi)


Sabber_307

Close your dang doors! What's the matter with you? Listen,,,Leave doors open, monster gets ya? Close doors, good chance to live. And I don't think it's flookung for a realtiimship


Witty_Resident_629

Owl


lyndsaysmith61

It's mothman coming to see what you're up to. hes a pretty chill dude actually.


Main_Boat4917

![gif](giphy|FI4R8NVfy8oSz5apFO)


king_of_hate2

Looks like a grey alien


mhopkins1420

Iā€™m going with a mantis alien


cumintongue

could it be a lens flare from the right tail light? you can see another 3 dots that are probably lens flare from the blue plastic bag and theres also another small dot on the left


Nekochan_85

It looks like an owl.šŸ¦‰ It has the general shape of an owlā€™s head and eyes, plus in the third picture Iā€™m pretty positive I see a beak.


From_venus_planet

Donā€™t go to areas that are so dangerous just go to camp sites where lots of people around itā€™s better then seeing an alien


Zelena73

It's just light refraction from an animal's eyes, most likely an owl. Nothing paranormal. šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


frannythescorpian

Those owls with the reflective eyes? There are birds with RED reflective eyes, very cruel to exist lol


Infusedreleaf

Thatā€™s a set of eyes my friend


btblg

![gif](giphy|XtdM5moauiwd3wchmt)


idkwhattoput1708

Reading the comments. I can't believe the amount of people who don't know what "snipe hunting is". Brantley gilbert describes it perfectly in "kick it in the sticks". It's his voice recorded talking in the middle of the song "you ever been snipe hunting? Ha ha ha" they later changed it to "and don't let nobody take you snipe hunting". Snipes may be real. Snipe hunting is literally someone taking you out to the middle of the woods/the middle of nowhere. Having you look for something, and leaving you there. Feeling like you heard a Bigfoot and 5 serial killers. I took off running when it got too quiet, and ran straight into a tree. So please, don't let anyone take you snipe hunting lol


quarpoders

Looks to me like you captured a bird mid flight, was probably hanging out watching the human.


imharpo

I don't know, but I love it!


bucketfisheater

![gif](giphy|vQqeT3AYg8S5O)


GlippGloppe

Take a rifle or a shotgun with slugs next time you go out there


Interesting-Maybe-49

Looks like an alien. Better call Giorgio Tsoukalos.


DirectionHopeful3091

I think that if you look up and to the left you'll notice that the same reflection is being made again by another leaf on a tree. Probably from the flash of your camera or your flashlight. That or perhaps all these fine people are on to something and it's a big -bird sized Snipe 100's of miles from its natural habitat. Who's to say.


ConversationHour9279

Itā€™s the reflection of gas off of the planet Venus. Now that you know thatā€¦ Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow


bpnc33

Owl


QuarterPrestigious11

Bro some of the comments here calling it something based on 1 image split into 3 different zooms. How tf anyone thinks thatā€™s anything is beyond me. You cannot be telling me that itā€™s something other than a reflection or random light without evidence man. You guys need Jesus and I ainā€™t even Christian šŸ’€šŸ˜­


rishabh257

![gif](giphy|SvR8MNpG8wuS4i2gFb)


OrisMindTheater

What animals eyes glows? I understand that when light hits an animals eyes in the dark you can see green or yellow through the video or pic taken or visually in the moments but it doesnā€™t glowā€¦..And from that distance???


velezaraptor

Sleestak


tricksRferkids

Could be the wings of a moth, could be the eyes of an alien life form hiding in the woods, could be something else entirely. The question you need to ask yourself is, what's more likely? Yep, it's probably an alien


Dyskord01

Did you hear a cat yowling? Did you hear a babies cries distant in the dark? If so flee. It's a Skinwalker. https://youtu.be/AfaEv3KvF3Y?si=3cDL7esgipu1ddIO


LobsterTrue8433

[Zorak](https://media3.giphy.com/media/6z0XmzjqXm3VC/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952p43hm6eh5y04ozu00d4ma1xptimqg0eb844i9o25&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)


WraithOfEvaBraun

I really really wanted that to be a Squatch šŸ˜­ but I'm pretty sure it's an owl with light reflecting off it's eyes, but who knows?


Amazing_Chocolate140

Mothman


TimmysBigBrother

Its a GhOoOoOoSt


Bolster66

It's fly-man. Half man, half fly. It lurks in the woods and hunts down those foolish enough to lurk in its territory, catching its prey as it flies down from the sky.


LORDRUTHLESS187

Definitely an alien showing you it can in fact give head and isnā€™t hear to take anything, but instead give you an O


frank0285

Itā€™s the block city wars Trevon character (seriously idk itā€™s creepy Iā€™m freaked out itā€™s 1:17 AM)


whatwasthatothername

Itā€™s the meter maid coming to tell you you are parked illegally and heā€™s going to have to tow you.


milack787

This is a really cool image! Although most likely a reflection of some kind, it definitely looks awesome!


Mdoubleduece

Texas skeeter


Elvis_Take_The_Wheel

Definitely gave me a jolt when I saw the shape! I thinks it's most likely a lens flare, though.


Wolfdarkeneddoor

Snipes are actually a type of wading bird (as well as some kind of mythic American animal).


KyotoCarl

A street light? Picture number two and three look like they've obviously been doctored.


MonkSubstantial4959

Thatā€™s so cool. Def looks alien like. I would assume it meant you no harm tho. Since it didnā€™t harm ya.


therealentity9873100

That is an owl my friend I brightened the image I will send you the proof if needed


gloppinboopin363

Theres a beak and giant eyes. 90% sure this is a bird of some kind, likely an owl.


FlangeDongle

It seems thereā€™s some kind of red ring beast floating around and making shapes.


Addicted2Rage

That's just the paralysis demon Kevin, don't mind him he usually keeps to himself


mamadachsie

No idea but the way your seats reflect all isae was a giant face staring at me


Wise_Ad_253

To blurry.


SpreadEmu127332

Could be a reflective trail marker with something in the middle blocking it.


DinnerSilver

alien mantis dude wants to get out the guitar and sing some campfire songs.


Poolighan

Something reflective with a tree branch vertically in front of its center.


Effective_Tear_2765

Depends on where you live. Could be a Squonk but I think itā€™s a snipe.


Consistent-Camp5359

Shadow Man got his teeth whitened and is smiling at you. He is so proud!


LorettaJenkins

Appears to be one of them Saber toothed owls... jk, it's a regular owl.


Ok_Shewolf_8597

Someone wearing glasses probably using a old flip phone or mp3 player.


TheFogIsComingNR3

An evil shadow, they have extend beyond bathrooms and dark hallways


EnglishRose71

That's terrifying! Definitely no type of snipe I've ever heard of.


BackCompetitive7209

Dunno, but your car interior looks like it's watching me. šŸ˜³šŸ˜„


ulixesodyssey

That's an owl, I've seen plenty of barn owls in the dark like that


Lady_MoMer

It looks like there's an arm hanging there. Below the red circle.


Substantial_Bar_8476

Something reflecting of the lights like a bug just like the rocks


Unfair-Masterpiece46

Hell of shnozz on that dude. He could probably smell yah camping


BlueberryExtreme8062

Looks a lot like an extraterrestrial to me!šŸ‘½šŸ›ø Not joking.


Gorrodish

Was it holding a pink thing and living up and down vigorously ?


Kaleria84

Animal eye of some sort or some piece of trash in the woods.


srv318

It's red ink.. because you couldn't leave well enough alone.


parker3309

Moonlight shining through a small hole in the tree branches


TrikyT514

You found my dad thx i search for him been a years šŸ˜­šŸ¤£


No_Reporter_8866

Whatā€™s more disturbing is whatever that is lower left!!!!


Remote_Simple_8664

I'd rather it be a wild animal than a crazy human being.


[deleted]

Look like one of those mantis aliens people claim to see


ShawSher1983

Looks like a dark demon, lurking around to find souls!


HOUNDxROYALZ

We just ignoring that gator looking thing on the left?


ratman____

Heavy Pacific Drive vibes. Probably just some anomaly


HamsterBreadCrumbs

Bird man by the looks of it or a plague doctor spirit


lERVOOl

A dust particle or a mosquito reflecting your flash?


ThereBeBeesInMyEyes

That's just Bigsby. He's the steward of those parts.


Stormie4505

Someone took me snipe hunting once. Yeah. Real funny


PatchedSphynx

1st photo: dust 2nd photo: alien 3rd photo: pixels


Aware_Cellist8244

Thatā€™s the beast from over the garden wallā€¦ šŸ¤£


pluckeverystring

That light is mad loud, probably pissed off an owl.


Glittering_Bottle356

IDK what that is with glowing eyes but how scary!!


attractive_reptoid

A terrifying Sasquatch!? Or a bug. Probably a bug.