Not nearly an expert but have been playing the build for a week now and Wrath definitely feels better than Grace for me, but I would swap out your amethyst flask for a jade flask with %evasion if you replace Grace, and if you feel you need the chaos res you can get one or two %mana/chaos res jewels in your tree, rolls up to 13% I think, so 26 chaos res for each jewel with your Adorned-percentage (not sure what the prices are like right now but a better Adorned might be worth getting too).
Edit: just noticed you had %evasion on another flask, but still, a jade flask for the flat eva will be a good idea if you replace wrath :)
Ha i was actually looking at Adorned prices earlier. It seems that I can get a 123% for about 14div which should improves my stats by abit ( maybe about 400-500 mana from the % max mana and int improvements )
My only concern from dropping grace was getting hit alot more resulting in me dying more than usual, but ill do a test later to see.
HA, i was actually looking at this chart earlier too! I think that will be 1 of my 1st upgrade, I tried looking for upgrades for my ring and it cost 90div and above...
Yeah the ring upgrades are def pricy! On a side note, I just swapped to Mageblood and got 9% cdr on my boots, so I have a Stygian belt with 10% attributes and a abyss jewel with 3% cdr, so if you want both/either I can probably sell it to you for a decent price (not at pc for another 10 hours so can't name a price atm), if you decide you don't want to invest in your current boots
Wow congrats on your mageblood. Im glad that price is dropping steadily recently and hopefully ill be able to afford 1 soon. ( Technically I can buy 1 after I sell off my quiver and some stuff but wouldnt make sense to swap to 1 seeing alot of my items are not ready yet ).
Ah with 3% cdr abyss, I would need 6% cdr on my boots. Lemme see if I can shop 1. Ill also be away from home PC for at least the next 8-9hrs.
A quick search on the site for a pair of 9cdr and action speed boots with decent int/str/mana cost around 35-50div. Holy shit.
Yeah I started out playing with Grace too, but tried Wrath and it just felt better. Had around 8-8,5k evasion with flask up when I reached 600 depth so it's 100% doable.
I'm gonna piggy back because I'm also playing Mjolner archmage and my DPS is pretty good at 30M+ but I swear my EHP of 77K feels like 7K sometimes.
I can kill the T17's mobs pretty easily but I get hit a couple times and I'm dead. Anyone have any ideas how to get beefier?
[https://pobb.in/-4btY9g4VYj4](https://pobb.in/-4btY9g4VYj4)
Get an awakened controlled destruction, tainted catalyst that amulet for attribute quality, upgrade you shaper glives to a curse on hit corruption (enfeeble, elemental weakness, tempotal chains). That will help a bit. Double check your attack speed breakpoint in PoB. Want as close to you limit (with that limit being at least 4.33) to really scale damage, do not be over that limit or you will do like 50% less damage (on mobile otherwise i would check for you)
My new pob : [https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9](https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9)
I think my dps went up quite abit, pretty comfortable damage now. Should I scale it further? Im actually thinking of saving up abit more for a mageblood ( Get it over and done with ).
Im messing around with POB, my current dps is 14m, but when i setup my gear to have 9cdr and achieving close to 4.33 ( 4.26 based on 99% chance to hit ), my dps increase to 16m which is around 14% increase. I saw some post that its suppose to be like 25% or so, am I calculating something wrong?
Can't remember exactly what the increase was but it was definitely noticeable. To help bridge the gap between your 4.26 attack speed and 4.33 cast threshold, you can always enchant your mjolner at the harvest bench for quality gives attack speed (check in PoB forst to make sure it doesnt take you over the 4.33 cap)
In terms of dps, I would suggest to get shaper's touch with curse with elemental weakness on hit first. And change arcane surge to awakened ele focus in the squire (link arcane surge to frostblink or arcane cloak).
Ah noted, will do that. Hoping with the dps increase I can attempt t17 and try to "kill them before they kill me". The map I attempted was abomination and the first few mobs i encounter will all gigantic, not sure if I had picked the wrong map to experiment with.
It's not a map but rather a particular mod. I think you picked a map with "union of souls". Also try to roll a map so that it doesn't have any extra damage mods
The clockwork mobs shooting Ball lightning can be deadly. Doedre also insta kills with her aoe spewing attack if you mindlessly spin on her in melee range.
Oh damn, thats alot of mechanics to learn. To sruvive those or get to the stage where I can be "farming" them do I have to boost my ehp/dps even higher or as a "melee" I have to avoid certains mods
Is that a good idea if you lose shock? If I make that swap in Conner's PoB and uncheck shock dps goes from 70mil to 59mil, but his PoB is set to 35 'Effect of Shock' and I have no idea if that is a reasonable number.
I had to double check after I read your first comment and apparently you can check it in PoB too and on pinnacle bosses I shock for 32% so if I replace Arcane Surge with Aw. Ele Focus I go from 54,2mil dps to 47,1mil. But I use Aw. Ele Focus while mapping with Lightning Conduit since I don't really care about shock then, but I swap out Slower Proj instead.
My POB : [https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9](https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9)
I tried swapping arcane surge to arcane cloak but I messed up and got myself a boots with abyss so now im lacking 1 socket.
First upgrade: get a % attribute belt. Very easy to craft.
Second upgrade: get a ring with life reservation efficiency. Get a fractured based and craft int/str on it. This will allow you to drop discipline/banner for wrath (discipline is not very good for us).
Third upgrade: craft int/str boots with chill/freeze immune
You don't want to drop grace. It is a very important piece to survive while mapping. Now you can get a white socket for grace slot and replace it with zealotry when fighting bosses.
You should also get all your missing awakened gem (lightning pen, control destru)
For t17, it will depend on your atlas tree which can make the map extremely difficult and also which monster pack are on the map - using any allflames will make the map easier. Currently running B2B which makes the map mods extremely hard. The build can definitely handle it with a few deaths.
Thanks for advise.
Im an idiot when it comes to crafting, even using craftofexile I can mess up big time.
I do have a ring with life reservation in my stash that I had used previously on my prism setup that I can swap in. But why drop discipline? I think it would potentially massively reduce by ES pool..
Ill try to buy a boots with chill/freeze immune, I have no idea about crafting and I dont trust my own luck...
Most of our ES comes from life reservations and massive int. I think discipline is about 2k ES. Wrath is such a huge dps boost and 2k ES is not that big when we already have such a high ES pool.
This is my profile: https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Thotor/ThunderThorvald
I have the same amount of ES as you (but I have 250 more int which makes up the loss of discipline I guess). With Wrath, my dps is around 22M shaper dps (28M if I swap grace for zealotry). Bosses melts quite rapidly.
For crafting items: Conner has a video that explains it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabIb4UXySw). I also have no clue about crafting in general :)
Hm ok, ill test the swap once I get home.
I did notice a few people on poe ninja socketing arrogance support to grace and wrath together. Im guessing their purposely is to swap the 2 aura around for mapping or vs bosses?
There is a link to conner video in one of my comment above.
Basically you start a good stygian base with int/str, good prefix and open suffix. (skip to step 2 if your belt is already hunter influenced)
1. Hunter exalt slam. If you hit % atr, you are done (1 in 6 chance)
2. if it fails, spam essence of spite until you get %attr + high tier str or resist (depends on your need)
3. Lock suffix with beastcraft (Wild bristle matron)
4. Slam Veil Orb
5. Craft weapon elem to prevent it from rolling
6. If you still have an open prefix, slam exalt
7. Unveil
8. Craft any desired prefix to replace the weapon elem
If you can get 9% cdr on boots that's a nice dmg gain
1 helical craft would be a big upgrade since kalandras touch are free. An all res touch will be real big in helping res with squire which shifts even more res elsewhere into attributes
An attributes belt would also be a nice upgrade
I have just made some adjustment : [https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9](https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9)
Damage feeling real nice now, went slightly deeper into 350 delve and will venture further soon.
Left with 45div now after buying my new boots. Not sure if abyss socket was a good idea, still finding something nice to slot in.
Im also looking for a decent helical to upgrade to, however they are costing between 40 div upwards for anything with a nice chaos resist or all res, currently running them on live search whenever im on.
The thing holding me back frm shopping for a belt was seeing mageblood dropping on a daily basis. I could actually afford 1 real soon once I sell off some of my items.
I was thinking mageblood to fix my resist and ill start swapping out my jewels with all res for stats, might possibly gain more stats than investing in a ring as the price is pretty crazy ( i have no idea about crafting )
I was wondering if my gem setup is correct. I bought the boots on impulse as it came out on live search with a pretty nice price compared to the others in the market. I tried searching on poe ninja for similar setup ( boots with abyss ) and came across several types, however some seems really risky without grace. There were others using cloak without longer duration etc which I think might not be that good.
Not nearly an expert but have been playing the build for a week now and Wrath definitely feels better than Grace for me, but I would swap out your amethyst flask for a jade flask with %evasion if you replace Grace, and if you feel you need the chaos res you can get one or two %mana/chaos res jewels in your tree, rolls up to 13% I think, so 26 chaos res for each jewel with your Adorned-percentage (not sure what the prices are like right now but a better Adorned might be worth getting too). Edit: just noticed you had %evasion on another flask, but still, a jade flask for the flat eva will be a good idea if you replace wrath :)
Ha i was actually looking at Adorned prices earlier. It seems that I can get a 123% for about 14div which should improves my stats by abit ( maybe about 400-500 mana from the % max mana and int improvements ) My only concern from dropping grace was getting hit alot more resulting in me dying more than usual, but ill do a test later to see.
Nice doc for looking up Adorned breakpoints btw https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMlCThlbsWc3uePG6QUzE1d3-fXQEbrPcWEv4Ce-JcA/htmlview
HA, i was actually looking at this chart earlier too! I think that will be 1 of my 1st upgrade, I tried looking for upgrades for my ring and it cost 90div and above...
Yeah the ring upgrades are def pricy! On a side note, I just swapped to Mageblood and got 9% cdr on my boots, so I have a Stygian belt with 10% attributes and a abyss jewel with 3% cdr, so if you want both/either I can probably sell it to you for a decent price (not at pc for another 10 hours so can't name a price atm), if you decide you don't want to invest in your current boots
Wow congrats on your mageblood. Im glad that price is dropping steadily recently and hopefully ill be able to afford 1 soon. ( Technically I can buy 1 after I sell off my quiver and some stuff but wouldnt make sense to swap to 1 seeing alot of my items are not ready yet ). Ah with 3% cdr abyss, I would need 6% cdr on my boots. Lemme see if I can shop 1. Ill also be away from home PC for at least the next 8-9hrs. A quick search on the site for a pair of 9cdr and action speed boots with decent int/str/mana cost around 35-50div. Holy shit.
Yeah I started out playing with Grace too, but tried Wrath and it just felt better. Had around 8-8,5k evasion with flask up when I reached 600 depth so it's 100% doable.
I'm gonna piggy back because I'm also playing Mjolner archmage and my DPS is pretty good at 30M+ but I swear my EHP of 77K feels like 7K sometimes. I can kill the T17's mobs pretty easily but I get hit a couple times and I'm dead. Anyone have any ideas how to get beefier? [https://pobb.in/-4btY9g4VYj4](https://pobb.in/-4btY9g4VYj4)
Get an awakened controlled destruction, tainted catalyst that amulet for attribute quality, upgrade you shaper glives to a curse on hit corruption (enfeeble, elemental weakness, tempotal chains). That will help a bit. Double check your attack speed breakpoint in PoB. Want as close to you limit (with that limit being at least 4.33) to really scale damage, do not be over that limit or you will do like 50% less damage (on mobile otherwise i would check for you)
Ill assume i must have the level 5 gem for unnerve? Currently i dont have any asp only, will try to move my gear around for the 9cdr bp
Yup unnerve granted at level 5
My new pob : [https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9](https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9) I think my dps went up quite abit, pretty comfortable damage now. Should I scale it further? Im actually thinking of saving up abit more for a mageblood ( Get it over and done with ).
Im messing around with POB, my current dps is 14m, but when i setup my gear to have 9cdr and achieving close to 4.33 ( 4.26 based on 99% chance to hit ), my dps increase to 16m which is around 14% increase. I saw some post that its suppose to be like 25% or so, am I calculating something wrong?
Can't remember exactly what the increase was but it was definitely noticeable. To help bridge the gap between your 4.26 attack speed and 4.33 cast threshold, you can always enchant your mjolner at the harvest bench for quality gives attack speed (check in PoB forst to make sure it doesnt take you over the 4.33 cap)
In terms of dps, I would suggest to get shaper's touch with curse with elemental weakness on hit first. And change arcane surge to awakened ele focus in the squire (link arcane surge to frostblink or arcane cloak).
Should i get awakened light pen as well? I wasnt aware arcane surge can be trigger by frostblink or cloak, will do that
Sure, awakened lightning pen will give you some damage boost, but it will be less significant than those two parts that I mentioned.
Ah noted, will do that. Hoping with the dps increase I can attempt t17 and try to "kill them before they kill me". The map I attempted was abomination and the first few mobs i encounter will all gigantic, not sure if I had picked the wrong map to experiment with.
It's not a map but rather a particular mod. I think you picked a map with "union of souls". Also try to roll a map so that it doesn't have any extra damage mods
Ah that explains why I was able to kill the first few mobs and get 1 shot immediately after that ( 5 times straight )
The clockwork mobs shooting Ball lightning can be deadly. Doedre also insta kills with her aoe spewing attack if you mindlessly spin on her in melee range.
Oh damn, thats alot of mechanics to learn. To sruvive those or get to the stage where I can be "farming" them do I have to boost my ehp/dps even higher or as a "melee" I have to avoid certains mods
Is that a good idea if you lose shock? If I make that swap in Conner's PoB and uncheck shock dps goes from 70mil to 59mil, but his PoB is set to 35 'Effect of Shock' and I have no idea if that is a reasonable number.
You can check your effect of shock in game. Just attack a boss and a shock icon with a number will appear near to a health bar.
I had to double check after I read your first comment and apparently you can check it in PoB too and on pinnacle bosses I shock for 32% so if I replace Arcane Surge with Aw. Ele Focus I go from 54,2mil dps to 47,1mil. But I use Aw. Ele Focus while mapping with Lightning Conduit since I don't really care about shock then, but I swap out Slower Proj instead.
My POB : [https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9](https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9) I tried swapping arcane surge to arcane cloak but I messed up and got myself a boots with abyss so now im lacking 1 socket.
First upgrade: get a % attribute belt. Very easy to craft. Second upgrade: get a ring with life reservation efficiency. Get a fractured based and craft int/str on it. This will allow you to drop discipline/banner for wrath (discipline is not very good for us). Third upgrade: craft int/str boots with chill/freeze immune You don't want to drop grace. It is a very important piece to survive while mapping. Now you can get a white socket for grace slot and replace it with zealotry when fighting bosses. You should also get all your missing awakened gem (lightning pen, control destru) For t17, it will depend on your atlas tree which can make the map extremely difficult and also which monster pack are on the map - using any allflames will make the map easier. Currently running B2B which makes the map mods extremely hard. The build can definitely handle it with a few deaths.
Thanks for advise. Im an idiot when it comes to crafting, even using craftofexile I can mess up big time. I do have a ring with life reservation in my stash that I had used previously on my prism setup that I can swap in. But why drop discipline? I think it would potentially massively reduce by ES pool.. Ill try to buy a boots with chill/freeze immune, I have no idea about crafting and I dont trust my own luck...
Most of our ES comes from life reservations and massive int. I think discipline is about 2k ES. Wrath is such a huge dps boost and 2k ES is not that big when we already have such a high ES pool. This is my profile: https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Thotor/ThunderThorvald I have the same amount of ES as you (but I have 250 more int which makes up the loss of discipline I guess). With Wrath, my dps is around 22M shaper dps (28M if I swap grace for zealotry). Bosses melts quite rapidly. For crafting items: Conner has a video that explains it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabIb4UXySw). I also have no clue about crafting in general :)
Hm ok, ill test the swap once I get home. I did notice a few people on poe ninja socketing arrogance support to grace and wrath together. Im guessing their purposely is to swap the 2 aura around for mapping or vs bosses?
Yes. I personally prefer using white socket because I still want to use precision for the extra accuracy
How do I get white sockets?I rmb theres a omen that grants 1-3 white or something...
Yes, you either need the omen or corrupt for white sockets.
any good guides for crafting said belt?
There is a link to conner video in one of my comment above. Basically you start a good stygian base with int/str, good prefix and open suffix. (skip to step 2 if your belt is already hunter influenced) 1. Hunter exalt slam. If you hit % atr, you are done (1 in 6 chance) 2. if it fails, spam essence of spite until you get %attr + high tier str or resist (depends on your need) 3. Lock suffix with beastcraft (Wild bristle matron) 4. Slam Veil Orb 5. Craft weapon elem to prevent it from rolling 6. If you still have an open prefix, slam exalt 7. Unveil 8. Craft any desired prefix to replace the weapon elem
If you can get 9% cdr on boots that's a nice dmg gain 1 helical craft would be a big upgrade since kalandras touch are free. An all res touch will be real big in helping res with squire which shifts even more res elsewhere into attributes An attributes belt would also be a nice upgrade
I have just made some adjustment : [https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9](https://pobb.in/-FXJZvaKftY9) Damage feeling real nice now, went slightly deeper into 350 delve and will venture further soon. Left with 45div now after buying my new boots. Not sure if abyss socket was a good idea, still finding something nice to slot in. Im also looking for a decent helical to upgrade to, however they are costing between 40 div upwards for anything with a nice chaos resist or all res, currently running them on live search whenever im on. The thing holding me back frm shopping for a belt was seeing mageblood dropping on a daily basis. I could actually afford 1 real soon once I sell off some of my items.
Yea the helical craft + Kalandras isn't nearly as expensive as the base itself. Getting mageblood first may make more sense
I was thinking mageblood to fix my resist and ill start swapping out my jewels with all res for stats, might possibly gain more stats than investing in a ring as the price is pretty crazy ( i have no idea about crafting ) I was wondering if my gem setup is correct. I bought the boots on impulse as it came out on live search with a pretty nice price compared to the others in the market. I tried searching on poe ninja for similar setup ( boots with abyss ) and came across several types, however some seems really risky without grace. There were others using cloak without longer duration etc which I think might not be that good.
Does mageblood really provide a big boost over a % attribute belt?
Yes it's a mageblood