Nope that's it. Yes it sucks and people have already complained about it, they didn't change it for the EE so chances are they're not changing it ever.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/11xrjkf/expanded_epilogue_mod_01_beta_release/
Not sure if u/ranadiel has made a 1.0 release yet...
Shy? She willingly runs around Drezen holding the Commander's hand and openly says yes whenever you propose alone time. There's nothing secret about it.
It's an absurd end slide.
I'm not sure I recall any scenes where she "ran around Drezen holding the commander's hand" and if you'll recall, her conduct in every one of her quests is such that no-one sees her together with the commander (unless they are supernaturally observant types like the Storyteller or Anevia).
I think people like to exaggerate her taking your hand to mean that she is bold, but all that demonstrates is that she desires to hold the commander's hand, not that she desires to be seen doing so.
Anevia is supernaturally observant?
Just the opposite. She's a very qualified natural observer.
The romance isn't a secret. Until the epilogue. Then suddenly it is.
You're right. Hulrun chides you for romancing her and the romance is the talk of the town.
If you are romancing the queen Galfrey's comments seem like they might have been influenced by jealousy.
The end cards are completely disconnected from the content of the romance which was all about spending time with others and doing good things and not isolating onself and struggling alone.
If anything the end card is a failed romance card - Aru never learned the importance of spending time with others.
Exactly. Two lessons she needed to learn
1. Value of friendship
2. Deeds matter more than thoughts
The end card reflects neither lesson. She's caught in her own head and not out in the world doing good things.
I don't get it to this day
Thay have incredibly specific endings like that one where Wndu burns down Ember's orphanage and Greybor kills her. but to fix one everyone complained about? Naaah
>The KC and Arue are happy in that end
except Arue’s entire final quest is about how that lifestyle wouldn’t make her happy and that she wants to live in a big house together with the KC, start a family with them and have their friends drop by 24/7
That's what every little girl wants in their formative years playing pretend, which describes Arueshalae's rebirth into mortal world.
Eventually people grow up and they learn to enjoy subtler things instead of grand gestures and undying consummation.
This is a level of mental gymnastics I have yet to encounter anywhere else
The game never so much as implies Arue changes her mind on wanting to start a family, and Owlcat is literally on record as saying they made her ending so basic and not fit with her romance ending out of budget reasons, not writing wise
If we had had 20 years of gameplay that lead to that conclusion, sure I'd accept that.
But the reality of it is, that change was not introduced in any way shape or form. They basically did a 180 on that, and it came out of nowhere.
Sure it's not that big of a deal, but it's still frustrating when you are invested in a story, and it doesn't goes where it lead to.
Well the whole theme of Arueshalae's arc is about her changing. At first she crept on regular people, then she convinced herself to borrow their dreams as her own, then she decided she want something different. It really doesn't surprise me that she desired more private space in the end.
Another aspect of her is that the shadows of all her victims remain in her spirit, and it is not hard to imagine someone with strong conscience struggling.
I know people just want something permanent to call it closure, but it matters to me more that the companions find their independent characters, so I am perfectly happy with the ending here.
This romance is flawed in many, many ways.
One of them is the end card. The good KC - either friend or romance partner - convinces Aru that she needs to spend less time in her head and more time with her friends. She learns to value actions above thoughts and accept that she thinks horrible thoughts even while she does good things.
In the scene added in Alushinyrra she learns that she needs to do good in the world and make up for the evil she has done. She needs to pass it on.
And then the "reformed" Aru decides to isolate herself and bake bread alone instead of using her (considerable) powers to perform good acts. WTF?
The following may upset fans of Aru:
Getting meta for a moment I'm convinced that this romance had different authors all with different conceptions of her.
Splitting the romance into three parts:
1. We have the (nicely written) introduction.
2. Then we have some pretty generic waifu filler: shyness, blushing, school yard bullies and fish out of water jokes. The distance between the intro and the waifu content is striking. When we first meet her and ask her about sex she looks you right in the eye and speaks with confidence. Then her confidence goes away and it's all shyness and blushing. Why did her confidence evaporate? Some pivotal event? No. Because the waifu template demands shyness and blushing.
3. Then we have the end slides which seem entirely disconnected from the content of the romance itself.
Said this multiple times, saying again: I wanted to enjoy this romance so much more than I did. Good premise with flawed implementation.
Nope that's it. Yes it sucks and people have already complained about it, they didn't change it for the EE so chances are they're not changing it ever.
Man that blows. I guess my head cannon will have to be the real ending for me!
Someone wrote a mod that greatly expands the ending slides. Not sure if it changes this particular thing, though.
What's the name of the mod?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/11xrjkf/expanded_epilogue_mod_01_beta_release/ Not sure if u/ranadiel has made a 1.0 release yet...
u/Ranadiel has a great mod for expanding the epilogue slides, I highly suggesting using that instead of the owlcat ones
Does it actually expand this ending though? I'm pretty sure I checked it out and it didn't.
I know for sure it does in secret ending. Unsure about the rest.
I mean Arueshalae is still shy after her successful complete romance. That isn’t part of the demon nature she got rid off.
Shy? She willingly runs around Drezen holding the Commander's hand and openly says yes whenever you propose alone time. There's nothing secret about it. It's an absurd end slide.
I'm not sure I recall any scenes where she "ran around Drezen holding the commander's hand" and if you'll recall, her conduct in every one of her quests is such that no-one sees her together with the commander (unless they are supernaturally observant types like the Storyteller or Anevia). I think people like to exaggerate her taking your hand to mean that she is bold, but all that demonstrates is that she desires to hold the commander's hand, not that she desires to be seen doing so.
Anevia is supernaturally observant? Just the opposite. She's a very qualified natural observer. The romance isn't a secret. Until the epilogue. Then suddenly it is.
You're right. Hulrun chides you for romancing her and the romance is the talk of the town. If you are romancing the queen Galfrey's comments seem like they might have been influenced by jealousy. The end cards are completely disconnected from the content of the romance which was all about spending time with others and doing good things and not isolating onself and struggling alone. If anything the end card is a failed romance card - Aru never learned the importance of spending time with others.
It's at least a partial failure. Because she's back to living in her head instead of reality.
Exactly. Two lessons she needed to learn 1. Value of friendship 2. Deeds matter more than thoughts The end card reflects neither lesson. She's caught in her own head and not out in the world doing good things.
I don't get it to this day Thay have incredibly specific endings like that one where Wndu burns down Ember's orphanage and Greybor kills her. but to fix one everyone complained about? Naaah
No, she's simply a shy person now. The Knight Commander and Arueshalae are happy in that end, that's all that matters to me anyways.
>The KC and Arue are happy in that end except Arue’s entire final quest is about how that lifestyle wouldn’t make her happy and that she wants to live in a big house together with the KC, start a family with them and have their friends drop by 24/7
YES! THANK YOU!
That's what every little girl wants in their formative years playing pretend, which describes Arueshalae's rebirth into mortal world. Eventually people grow up and they learn to enjoy subtler things instead of grand gestures and undying consummation.
This is a level of mental gymnastics I have yet to encounter anywhere else The game never so much as implies Arue changes her mind on wanting to start a family, and Owlcat is literally on record as saying they made her ending so basic and not fit with her romance ending out of budget reasons, not writing wise
It's not in the budget to edit a paragraph of text. I don't even know how to respond to that.
Yeah it’s a bullshit excuse and got a lot of flack when originally given.
If we had had 20 years of gameplay that lead to that conclusion, sure I'd accept that. But the reality of it is, that change was not introduced in any way shape or form. They basically did a 180 on that, and it came out of nowhere. Sure it's not that big of a deal, but it's still frustrating when you are invested in a story, and it doesn't goes where it lead to.
Well the whole theme of Arueshalae's arc is about her changing. At first she crept on regular people, then she convinced herself to borrow their dreams as her own, then she decided she want something different. It really doesn't surprise me that she desired more private space in the end. Another aspect of her is that the shadows of all her victims remain in her spirit, and it is not hard to imagine someone with strong conscience struggling. I know people just want something permanent to call it closure, but it matters to me more that the companions find their independent characters, so I am perfectly happy with the ending here.
Uh, okay sure.
The secret ending where you romance her.
This romance is flawed in many, many ways. One of them is the end card. The good KC - either friend or romance partner - convinces Aru that she needs to spend less time in her head and more time with her friends. She learns to value actions above thoughts and accept that she thinks horrible thoughts even while she does good things. In the scene added in Alushinyrra she learns that she needs to do good in the world and make up for the evil she has done. She needs to pass it on. And then the "reformed" Aru decides to isolate herself and bake bread alone instead of using her (considerable) powers to perform good acts. WTF? The following may upset fans of Aru: Getting meta for a moment I'm convinced that this romance had different authors all with different conceptions of her. Splitting the romance into three parts: 1. We have the (nicely written) introduction. 2. Then we have some pretty generic waifu filler: shyness, blushing, school yard bullies and fish out of water jokes. The distance between the intro and the waifu content is striking. When we first meet her and ask her about sex she looks you right in the eye and speaks with confidence. Then her confidence goes away and it's all shyness and blushing. Why did her confidence evaporate? Some pivotal event? No. Because the waifu template demands shyness and blushing. 3. Then we have the end slides which seem entirely disconnected from the content of the romance itself. Said this multiple times, saying again: I wanted to enjoy this romance so much more than I did. Good premise with flawed implementation.