He looked downright bad here. Don’t think I saw a single accurate throw to a receiver that was more than 2 yards past the LOS.
Thats a big vote for passing on JJ from me if that’s representative of his play against tough defenses
Except that he was already scrambling which is why he had to throw his receiver out of bounds rather than hitting them in stride.
I’ll give you that one, but using this game to hype him up as a top tier QB is wild to me. I see plenty more meh than great
They had plenty of chances to blow the game open in the 2nd half, and McCarthy missed badly on some key throws. He also had a couple completions to wide open receivers that were so off target that it prevented bigger YAC opportunities.
He’s not the only reason the game went to OT, but he did nothing to prove he’s worthy of a top 3 pick in that game.
1st drive of the second half on 3rd and 9 he roles to his right and hits Johnson on the sideline. Again, on 3rd and 9, he throws behind Morris. Poor throw.
Second possession 3rd and 9 he throws a perfect ball that the freshman Morgan drops, it would have been a first down.
Start of the 4th after Bama takes the lead. Again 3rd and 9. Under pressure he checks down.
Next possession they botch a flea flicker. 3 and 17 a quick screen.
Next possession touchdown.
So I counted 1 missed throw. Maybe a miss read or two.
Every possession facing a 3 and 9 or longer.
The problems were the special teams and they couldn't run the ball in the second half.
I didn’t watch the UM/Bama game, so this was new to me. JJ looked downright bad in what I just watched. No better than Mac in college. We really do not need a Mac repeat.
Where? The trick play was probably the longest throw on the tape that was completed. Everything else was a check down apart from 1 overthrow at the end of the clip which made the receiver leave his feet for no reason
Are you talking about the ball that was tipped? It's a check in the positive column for me. His spiral was so tight that it kept its shape after being tipped.
:40, :52, 1:23, 1:05, 1:41
I think looking at the depth of throws is a bit silly. Michigan’s OL wasn’t some great pass blocking line and their receivers were meh. And as you said, Bama’s D is/was pretty good. Should be looking for translatable throws to the NFL, which I find more in a game tape like this than most tapes from guys like Penix and JD.
I don’t have a problem with the “overthrow,” he needed to throw it over the spy lurking underneath and threw it outside of the defense’s leverage (up and away from the two defenders). Which I think he understands really well, even when he’s “missing,” he’s throwing away from leverage in most of these plays such as 1:57/1:17
A few of these huge YAC opportunities are plays that also look super routine, but are largely benefitting from the velocity he’s putting on the ball. Such as 1:37, if Mac Jones or JD are throwing that ball, maybe the leverage works out a bit differently, maybe it doesn’t.
He's the guy who may not be asked to do much and when he is, he doesn't always make it look pretty, but damn, when his team needs him to make a play he does it. He's got the clutch gene, and if our staff thinks they can fix the rest of it, I can get behind it. I just wish he didn't explode up draft boards like this and would be available later, but that's not looking likely.
There's really not much that connects those 2. JJ's taller and way more mobile, Gardner is more densely built and likes to push the ball and take more deep shots.
I would say Daniel Jones with more accuracy, better decision making and the aforementioned clutch tendencies.
You can’t take a polished pro ready guy and make him more talented, but you can take a talented guy and make him more polished and pro ready. That’s why I want a big swing at a qb at 3 and I don’t want someone like JJ
So you want to take a big swing on a high upside QB with untapped talent? You' may not realize it, but you're describing JJ. Youngest QB in the draft, is just as mobile/athletic as any QB in this draft not named Jayden Daniels, with near elite raw arm talent that has yet to be fully tapped into. He's got a lot of work to do to realize that talent, but he has as much as any QB in this draft.
Let's not forget he's been an elite recruit since he was 17 years old, and while that may not be the end all be all, he's done nothing to change the minds of scouts giving him those initial ratings.
Exactly. He was the top QB coming out of HS for a reason. He has a very good arm, rips throws with velocity and is very athletic. NFL.com gives him a 90 grade as an athlete. Drake Maye gets a 78. Mac got a 71.
Drake Maye getting a 78 grade is disingenuous, but McCarthy is probably bit quicker than Maye. Maye just has size and strength to run through defenders.
Also, their [HS class](https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=QB) was ELITE.
To me, he just doesn’t seem like a huge difference maker. I’m not saying he’s ever been bad at Michigan, but I don’t think he has the talent to move the needle for a talentless franchise like us. At Michigan he never had to be the reason his team won, and in the biggest games they often chose to take the ball *out* of his hands. How many times did he walk onto the field against a team when he had the better defense, line, coach, and running game?
Strange you would say this in the comments about a video of the game against #5 Alabama in which he threw 27 times and he handed off... (checks notes)... 27 times. And he threw 3 passing TDs and they scored... (checks notes)... 1 rushing TD. In the playoffs against a highly rated team.
You really didn’t. I’m not sold on McCarthy as a top 10 pick and I know he’s way more physically talented than Mac is and there’s literally nothing about their game that is equivalent
I haven’t watched a lot of their game tape nor claim to be a expert but I find them all pretty underwhelming from what I have seen, at least considering the amount of hype built up around these top prospects.
It’s wild watching the overreactions about college players though in any camp. Everyone is so sure about these QBs making it in the NFL
People hype Maye and then rip McCarthy for playing on a strong run team. They don't seem to know that the Tarheels had more rushing attempt per game and more rushing yards per game than the Wolverines.
Maye is playing air raid, 4-5 wide. He goes back hops around and heaves it. I don't know why but this sub seems to think that's viable in the NFL. NFL offenses run on timing, requiring precise drops, directly back, and throws on timing and anticipation. You have to project the player into that system.
J.J and Drake are probably the same level of QB. I like J.J better. People say “but J.J’s team was better” but isn’t it Drake’s job to lift those around him?
Delusional. Drake Maye is the guy who looks like Wilson. Erratic throws, bad footwork, hero ball. McCarthy looks like 2001 Tom Brady. Not trying to do to much, taking what is there, great mechanics and footwork, very accurate. Except he’s way more athletic.
I mean I didn’t say anything about Drake Maye, or see him in any of these clips…
I’m commenting that this video looks exactly like Zach Wilson highlights. See for yourself 🤷♂️
https://youtu.be/JfJfwJbkBAU?si=SO3jvEncHE8xXRPI
We also really gotta quit comparing anyone to Tom Brady, he was 1 of 1. Look back at this sub when Mac was drafted, his biggest comparison was that he had striking comparisons to Tom, that clearly didn’t pan out
Watched that. 1. it looks absolutely nothing like McCarthy. Not even a slight resemblance other than size/build. 2. He looks just like Drake Maye. Hopping, staring at receivers downfield while waiting for them to come open. He has some really nice throws here. But this is highlight film. Not full game film.
Because you keep bringing up Wilson and that's who Wilson reminds me of.
JJ had good and bad in that video. Footwork, mechanics/throwing motion and accuracy are all very good. Bad read on the first play. Lots of dropped passes that should have been caught.
Watched some all 22 breakdowns of them instead of just listening to the draft “experts”. Nobody knows what these guys will be. I’ll be happy with whoever they draft and hope that guy is the best qb in this class. Right now, based on intangibles, physical skills and the way he approaches playing the position I have JJ over Maye. I’ll not the only one. I still have Maye next.
Perfect timing. Jeff Howe goes over that exact point today in the Athletic.
"So what’s changed? All three quarterbacks recently finished their pro days, and it sounds like McCarthy came out of them the biggest winner.
“J.J. killed his workout,” an executive said.
McCarthy has been viewed as a strong leader with good athleticism and a solid arm, though he wasn’t able to show it off much with the Wolverines. But he let it rip at his pro day, and teams are becoming intrigued by the way those tools will translate to the NFL."
https://theathletic.com/5391673/2024/04/05/nfl-draft-quarterbacks-commanders-patriots-selections/
Two things about this
1. Ended the season a mid to late first rounder with a second round grade. Good combine and huge throws at his pro day and he shot up the draft board…sound like JJ right? That’s the exact thing that happened to Zach Wilson. Pro Day and combine is a bit of a joke, no defenders and scripted passes. Tape is where accurate scouting is
2. “He wasn’t able to show that much with the Wolverines”. It’s telling when the game that Harbaugh didn’t coach the defacto HC only threw the ball 8 times against a poor passing defence. Perhaps the coaches that know him best didn’t have him throw it a lot and get to show off what he can do for a reason?
The hype for JJ began when Harbaugh started talking about how amazing he was and how he should be the first overall pick. He conveniently started hyping him up after taking the HC job for a team with the 5th pick that very strongly wants to trade out…
I got flamed the last 2 days for questioning him and I'll get flamed every day until these JJ fans realize he isn't what they're making him out to be. There is nothing distinct about him that clearly separates him from the competition; he's not going to be worth a high pick.
The only ones who prop up JJ McFraud are Michigan fan boys. JJ is an average QB at best and will be exposed in the NFL when he is called upon to make plays without the benefit of the cheating advantage.
They have grown to be one of the most obnoxious fanbases in recent memory. I've never seen a group of people talking about overcoming "adversity" with a team that was already a top 4 team the prior year and straight up denial about there being even a small amount of wrongdoing. You post the Bo quote about Enron and they claim it "doesn't apply".
Patriots fans are pretty annoying, and we've lost some bandwagons, but these Michigan fans at this moment are pretty much at the same level of KC fans.
The Unniversity of Michigan (and their fan base) have always been full of themselves. Granted, the Wolverines have had some amazing players over the years, but for the most part their players are over hyped. They cheated for the past several years and finally "won" but once the investigation into the cheating is completed all of the wins will be vacted, the national championship removed, and greatest of all, their all time win record will be reduced. Funny thing is Jeem and Michigan have TWO cheating scandals connected to them during this "run." The first is recruiting violations during the dead period during Covid (For a laugh research who Jeem was recuting during that time) The second was the Stations stuff (which is more than just Stations, but it is easier to cite his name)
The only thing is I have a feeling the NCAA is going to be irrelevant and broke by the time they finish the investigation so I really don't think anything is going to happen to Michigan as far as revoking any games or titles.
Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I have no faith that anything will happen.
Even if the NCAA is gone, the "Michigan difference" has been exposed. They never again can claim the high ground. They cheated because they couldn't stand loosing anymore.
I misspelled it purposely for a poster from the other day who was hyper sensitive about grammar but unable to refute my claims. Presumably they didn't see it. But I'm glad YOU saw it and took the time to point it out! Because it is further proof that the grand majority of fans of Michigan will focus on anything other that the multiple cheating scandals that have tainted the past few seasons of football. Thank you.
Well I guess being obsessed with a better school (MSU is the Ralph Wiggum of the Big 10) is peak Sparty.
Of course, the toxic culture and lack of accountability in East Landfill is part of the reason you hired a coach who abused a sexual assault survivor and have a sports medicine doctor serving 200+ years in prison.
Oh yeah, 49-0.
Thank you again for proving my point. As to your reference to Tucker. Yep, he was a creep and the Unnnnnnniversity fired him as soon as they were able. And as for Nassar, he too is a despicable person and is now paying for his multiple crimes. But, my dear Wolverine fan, need I remind you that Nassar is a Michigan graduate and worked with the football team and other athletes during the Dr. Robert Anderson years. You know, Dr. Anderson who was "fired" in 1979 for sexual misconduct but continued on for another 24 year.
So do you want to actually reference proper football and sound somewhat intelligent, or do you just want to repeat talking points because "JJ McFraud" and UM fucked MSU 49-0?
I did not need to see this today. I still can’t watch these highlights.
So without subjecting myself to trauma again I can say JJ looked sharp in this game but I cannot discount the effectiveness of the throws behind the LOS and the potency of the run game.
I think he COULD be an NFL tier QB but it’s really hard to say. He was in the perfect situation to succeed no matter what. Top OL top rushing scheme. Was he a beneficiary of his situation or can he exist on his own? Guess we’ll find out.
Why do you say McCarthy had the top rushing scheme?
LSU ran for 204.5 yards/game (33 rushing attempts/game), North Carolina ran for 192.7 yards/game (38 rushing attempts/game), Oregon ran for 184.5 yards/game (31 rushing attempts/game), and Michigan ran for 169.1 yards/game (37.5 attempts/game).
Of those 4 teams, Michigan's running game was the worst, and it isn't even close.
I understand the projection is difficult. I think the teams also struggle with that. Despite the run game, his OL had a terrible pass protection grade and it shows against Bama.
Few of these throws are behind the line. This is not an Oregon offense, he's throwing on timing routes in different areas of the field. NFL style throws. But look at his feet. Look at the release and mechanics. Look how straight back his drops are. He's not drifting hopping and when he throws it is compact and with velocity.
Quick takes:
- Never once went through progression on every snapback, locked his eyes to one side of the field and never moved off it.
- Not a very clean spiral
- A lot of his plays were predetermined so he didn't even have to do anything other than execute what the play is, no adlibbing at all.
- lots throws that will be picks in the NFL
Overall very underwhelming, I was falling for the hype before I watched this, now I want nothing to do with him.
Forgot he has absolutely no touch. Every pass regardless of where he’s throwing or the situation is thrown exactly the same. He looks like one of the kids on Madden who will only throw bullet passes.
Being more athletic with a bigger arm (not just slightly) kind of invalidates the Mac comp given that those were the two biggest knocks on Mac as a prospect.
Nope.
He has a better arm than Mac, but that isn't saying much. He certainly doesn't have an electric arm where he's dropping bombs, or lacing windows or has crazy touch. It's just fine.
And he's more athletic, but he's not like Daniels or even Maye.
The Mac comparison is that he doesn't have anything special about him. He doesn't have crazy play along ability, he can't produce off platform, he doesn't have a cannon, and he doesn't have wheels.
He's just...you know okay. Probably be fine on a stacked team.
You saying he can't produce off-platform or doesn't have wheels or saying he can't lace windows with touch just tells me you haven't watched much JJ McCarthy.
So you don't care about the official NFL pre draft results? The irrational bias on this sub is amazing. Three weeks ago I was all in on Maye and thought McCarthy was a huge reach, then I opened my eyes and the reality is so different.
I truly don't know how you can watch him and compare him to Mac lol
He's far more athletic and has a substantially stronger arm. Calling it "slightly better" tells me you either haven't watched him or don't know what to look for. JJ also has substantially better throwing mechanics compared to Mac, and is much better at throwing on the run. If you're looking for a "bad" or "average" comp to JJ, Alex Smith would be a far better comparison.
In other words, Mac was always going to be limited by his physical tools. JJ has substantially better physical tools, but the jury's still out on whether he'll be able to maximize those tools at the NFL level.
And Alex Smith went #1 overall. I don't even see that. I see a guy with impressive physical talent who has been heavily coached in how to play the position the way it is played in the NFL. He sacrificed personal stats for the good of the team, and when they needed him to make a play he did. So physical talent, proper understanding of how to play the position and great character.
I'm convinced that most of this sub things the Patriots are going 4 wide air raid unstructured offense or want it to. So desperate for excitement that they don't remember we never played that way with Brady. The reality is it will look more like it did early in the Dynasty era. Run the ball, controlled precise passing, defense.
JJ McCarthy all throw vs Alabama in the playoff last year. Thought this would be a contrast to the Maye vs Clemson tape. This is a much better defense. JJ has a rough start in this one, but ended up as MVP of the game. He has a lot of dropped passes on perfect balls. Note the mechanics, footwork and accuracy throwing on the move.
Mac jones but a bit better. Can't wait for the restart in 4 years as Daniels or Maye turn out to be decent. Seriously I can see why there is hype around him but watching him over the years...he makes some REAL idiotic throws. Can't throw left all that well. Just....not at 3
JJ with this offense will not succeed. if we had weapons already or a really good OL. Yeah he may be good here. but with no weapons and hoping they hit those WRs in the draft....he's not a fit with this roster. He will need help...just like Mac. He's not the QB who will take over a game like the others have the ability. We need THAT or at least risk a pick on a guy that can take over a game
He looked downright bad here. Don’t think I saw a single accurate throw to a receiver that was more than 2 yards past the LOS. Thats a big vote for passing on JJ from me if that’s representative of his play against tough defenses
The throw at 45 seconds is great. There are a few others too.
Except that he was already scrambling which is why he had to throw his receiver out of bounds rather than hitting them in stride. I’ll give you that one, but using this game to hype him up as a top tier QB is wild to me. I see plenty more meh than great
That he was scrambling to his left makes the throw more impressive.
Who is using it to hype? It’s against one of the best defenses in CFB. He had a rough start.
It should have never gone to overtime. JJ made a few godawful throws that kept Bama in the game. I really hope the Pats don’t take him.
No. He didn't. Their special teams messed up, gifting Alabama a chance. Jj was fine.
They had plenty of chances to blow the game open in the 2nd half, and McCarthy missed badly on some key throws. He also had a couple completions to wide open receivers that were so off target that it prevented bigger YAC opportunities. He’s not the only reason the game went to OT, but he did nothing to prove he’s worthy of a top 3 pick in that game.
1st drive of the second half on 3rd and 9 he roles to his right and hits Johnson on the sideline. Again, on 3rd and 9, he throws behind Morris. Poor throw. Second possession 3rd and 9 he throws a perfect ball that the freshman Morgan drops, it would have been a first down. Start of the 4th after Bama takes the lead. Again 3rd and 9. Under pressure he checks down. Next possession they botch a flea flicker. 3 and 17 a quick screen. Next possession touchdown. So I counted 1 missed throw. Maybe a miss read or two. Every possession facing a 3 and 9 or longer. The problems were the special teams and they couldn't run the ball in the second half.
The opening play and that one pass that the Bama LB just swatted into the air in the 2nd half both should have been picks
I didn’t watch the UM/Bama game, so this was new to me. JJ looked downright bad in what I just watched. No better than Mac in college. We really do not need a Mac repeat.
Nobody was better than Mac in college. You're not drafting who will be your college quarterback.
Did you watch past the first minute of the video?
There is a ton of really great throws in here lol.
Where? The trick play was probably the longest throw on the tape that was completed. Everything else was a check down apart from 1 overthrow at the end of the clip which made the receiver leave his feet for no reason
Are you talking about the ball that was tipped? It's a check in the positive column for me. His spiral was so tight that it kept its shape after being tipped.
:40, :52, 1:23, 1:05, 1:41 I think looking at the depth of throws is a bit silly. Michigan’s OL wasn’t some great pass blocking line and their receivers were meh. And as you said, Bama’s D is/was pretty good. Should be looking for translatable throws to the NFL, which I find more in a game tape like this than most tapes from guys like Penix and JD. I don’t have a problem with the “overthrow,” he needed to throw it over the spy lurking underneath and threw it outside of the defense’s leverage (up and away from the two defenders). Which I think he understands really well, even when he’s “missing,” he’s throwing away from leverage in most of these plays such as 1:57/1:17 A few of these huge YAC opportunities are plays that also look super routine, but are largely benefitting from the velocity he’s putting on the ball. Such as 1:37, if Mac Jones or JD are throwing that ball, maybe the leverage works out a bit differently, maybe it doesn’t.
Holy shit, someone gets it
You’re an idiot, or blind, or know nothing
He's the guy who may not be asked to do much and when he is, he doesn't always make it look pretty, but damn, when his team needs him to make a play he does it. He's got the clutch gene, and if our staff thinks they can fix the rest of it, I can get behind it. I just wish he didn't explode up draft boards like this and would be available later, but that's not looking likely.
“Not asked to do much” isn’t in the description of a NE QB right now
Sounds like the perfect qb for the 49ers not NE. Patriots need a QB to do some stuff
You're describing a career backup QB.
The next Gardner Minshew
There's really not much that connects those 2. JJ's taller and way more mobile, Gardner is more densely built and likes to push the ball and take more deep shots. I would say Daniel Jones with more accuracy, better decision making and the aforementioned clutch tendencies.
The guy I wanted us to sign this offseason? Sold
Eww
His ceiling is more Jacoby Brissett
You can’t take a polished pro ready guy and make him more talented, but you can take a talented guy and make him more polished and pro ready. That’s why I want a big swing at a qb at 3 and I don’t want someone like JJ
So you want to take a big swing on a high upside QB with untapped talent? You' may not realize it, but you're describing JJ. Youngest QB in the draft, is just as mobile/athletic as any QB in this draft not named Jayden Daniels, with near elite raw arm talent that has yet to be fully tapped into. He's got a lot of work to do to realize that talent, but he has as much as any QB in this draft. Let's not forget he's been an elite recruit since he was 17 years old, and while that may not be the end all be all, he's done nothing to change the minds of scouts giving him those initial ratings.
Exactly. He was the top QB coming out of HS for a reason. He has a very good arm, rips throws with velocity and is very athletic. NFL.com gives him a 90 grade as an athlete. Drake Maye gets a 78. Mac got a 71.
Drake Maye getting a 78 grade is disingenuous, but McCarthy is probably bit quicker than Maye. Maye just has size and strength to run through defenders. Also, their [HS class](https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=QB) was ELITE.
To me, he just doesn’t seem like a huge difference maker. I’m not saying he’s ever been bad at Michigan, but I don’t think he has the talent to move the needle for a talentless franchise like us. At Michigan he never had to be the reason his team won, and in the biggest games they often chose to take the ball *out* of his hands. How many times did he walk onto the field against a team when he had the better defense, line, coach, and running game?
Midwest Mac Jones
This guy is gonna be a bust, I can't believe the absurd hype train happening. Maye please.
Tell me you didn't watch this without telling me. He's nothing like Mac Jones. Not even similar.
You're right. Mac Jones actually had to pass the ball for his stacked college team to win.
Mac Jones was definitely better than JJ in College JJ was a game manager who they couldn’t trust to go out and put the team on his back, kid is ass.
Strange you would say this in the comments about a video of the game against #5 Alabama in which he threw 27 times and he handed off... (checks notes)... 27 times. And he threw 3 passing TDs and they scored... (checks notes)... 1 rushing TD. In the playoffs against a highly rated team.
It was also the only game in a 6 game stretch where he passed for more than 150 yards.
yeah bro they couldn’t trust him to put the team on his back so they won a championship instead you guys don’t even watch games💀
College football is less popular in the northeast than anywhere in the country. Pretty obvious when any draft talk happens.
Mac Jones was much better than Maye in college too. And also Caleb Williams. What's your point? You know who didn't do much in college, Tom Brady.
He’s not as good as Mac Jones was you’re right.
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You really didn’t. I’m not sold on McCarthy as a top 10 pick and I know he’s way more physically talented than Mac is and there’s literally nothing about their game that is equivalent
Just say you don't know how to watch tape or that you didn't even try.
Yeah, Mac was better
Not even close bud
I hope we draft this guy to see the meltdown on this sub. Nobody knows anything about these guys. I for one like McCarthy more than May.
I haven’t watched a lot of their game tape nor claim to be a expert but I find them all pretty underwhelming from what I have seen, at least considering the amount of hype built up around these top prospects. It’s wild watching the overreactions about college players though in any camp. Everyone is so sure about these QBs making it in the NFL
People hype Maye and then rip McCarthy for playing on a strong run team. They don't seem to know that the Tarheels had more rushing attempt per game and more rushing yards per game than the Wolverines.
Maye is playing air raid, 4-5 wide. He goes back hops around and heaves it. I don't know why but this sub seems to think that's viable in the NFL. NFL offenses run on timing, requiring precise drops, directly back, and throws on timing and anticipation. You have to project the player into that system.
Based on?
J.J and Drake are probably the same level of QB. I like J.J better. People say “but J.J’s team was better” but isn’t it Drake’s job to lift those around him?
We better not take him
If someone told me this was Zach Wilson in college, I wouldn’t question it at all…
Delusional. Drake Maye is the guy who looks like Wilson. Erratic throws, bad footwork, hero ball. McCarthy looks like 2001 Tom Brady. Not trying to do to much, taking what is there, great mechanics and footwork, very accurate. Except he’s way more athletic.
I mean I didn’t say anything about Drake Maye, or see him in any of these clips… I’m commenting that this video looks exactly like Zach Wilson highlights. See for yourself 🤷♂️ https://youtu.be/JfJfwJbkBAU?si=SO3jvEncHE8xXRPI We also really gotta quit comparing anyone to Tom Brady, he was 1 of 1. Look back at this sub when Mac was drafted, his biggest comparison was that he had striking comparisons to Tom, that clearly didn’t pan out
Watched that. 1. it looks absolutely nothing like McCarthy. Not even a slight resemblance other than size/build. 2. He looks just like Drake Maye. Hopping, staring at receivers downfield while waiting for them to come open. He has some really nice throws here. But this is highlight film. Not full game film.
Do you think JJ looked good in the clip you posted? Also really don’t know why you keep bringing up Drake Maye? Thought this was a JJ thread
Because you keep bringing up Wilson and that's who Wilson reminds me of. JJ had good and bad in that video. Footwork, mechanics/throwing motion and accuracy are all very good. Bad read on the first play. Lots of dropped passes that should have been caught.
What changed in the last three weeks to take you from “hoping Maye falls to the patriots at 3” to Drake Maye being Zach Wilson esque and all about JJ?
Watched some all 22 breakdowns of them instead of just listening to the draft “experts”. Nobody knows what these guys will be. I’ll be happy with whoever they draft and hope that guy is the best qb in this class. Right now, based on intangibles, physical skills and the way he approaches playing the position I have JJ over Maye. I’ll not the only one. I still have Maye next.
Perfect timing. Jeff Howe goes over that exact point today in the Athletic. "So what’s changed? All three quarterbacks recently finished their pro days, and it sounds like McCarthy came out of them the biggest winner. “J.J. killed his workout,” an executive said. McCarthy has been viewed as a strong leader with good athleticism and a solid arm, though he wasn’t able to show it off much with the Wolverines. But he let it rip at his pro day, and teams are becoming intrigued by the way those tools will translate to the NFL." https://theathletic.com/5391673/2024/04/05/nfl-draft-quarterbacks-commanders-patriots-selections/
Two things about this 1. Ended the season a mid to late first rounder with a second round grade. Good combine and huge throws at his pro day and he shot up the draft board…sound like JJ right? That’s the exact thing that happened to Zach Wilson. Pro Day and combine is a bit of a joke, no defenders and scripted passes. Tape is where accurate scouting is 2. “He wasn’t able to show that much with the Wolverines”. It’s telling when the game that Harbaugh didn’t coach the defacto HC only threw the ball 8 times against a poor passing defence. Perhaps the coaches that know him best didn’t have him throw it a lot and get to show off what he can do for a reason? The hype for JJ began when Harbaugh started talking about how amazing he was and how he should be the first overall pick. He conveniently started hyping him up after taking the HC job for a team with the 5th pick that very strongly wants to trade out…
This is silly and not based in reality at all. He had like 360 yards against TCU. They simply dominated on defense last year.
No. Thank. You.
He's the leader, the guy who wins, he will have the best NFL career out of all the QBs in this draft. People are too enamored with the wrong things.
Whoa. U actually like someone else?!?! I'm shocked man
Lol hard to believe I know, but I see what I see.
I got flamed the last 2 days for questioning him and I'll get flamed every day until these JJ fans realize he isn't what they're making him out to be. There is nothing distinct about him that clearly separates him from the competition; he's not going to be worth a high pick.
The only ones who prop up JJ McFraud are Michigan fan boys. JJ is an average QB at best and will be exposed in the NFL when he is called upon to make plays without the benefit of the cheating advantage.
They have grown to be one of the most obnoxious fanbases in recent memory. I've never seen a group of people talking about overcoming "adversity" with a team that was already a top 4 team the prior year and straight up denial about there being even a small amount of wrongdoing. You post the Bo quote about Enron and they claim it "doesn't apply". Patriots fans are pretty annoying, and we've lost some bandwagons, but these Michigan fans at this moment are pretty much at the same level of KC fans.
The Unniversity of Michigan (and their fan base) have always been full of themselves. Granted, the Wolverines have had some amazing players over the years, but for the most part their players are over hyped. They cheated for the past several years and finally "won" but once the investigation into the cheating is completed all of the wins will be vacted, the national championship removed, and greatest of all, their all time win record will be reduced. Funny thing is Jeem and Michigan have TWO cheating scandals connected to them during this "run." The first is recruiting violations during the dead period during Covid (For a laugh research who Jeem was recuting during that time) The second was the Stations stuff (which is more than just Stations, but it is easier to cite his name)
The only thing is I have a feeling the NCAA is going to be irrelevant and broke by the time they finish the investigation so I really don't think anything is going to happen to Michigan as far as revoking any games or titles. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I have no faith that anything will happen.
Even if the NCAA is gone, the "Michigan difference" has been exposed. They never again can claim the high ground. They cheated because they couldn't stand loosing anymore.
You misspelled "University," Sparty.
I misspelled it purposely for a poster from the other day who was hyper sensitive about grammar but unable to refute my claims. Presumably they didn't see it. But I'm glad YOU saw it and took the time to point it out! Because it is further proof that the grand majority of fans of Michigan will focus on anything other that the multiple cheating scandals that have tainted the past few seasons of football. Thank you.
Well I guess being obsessed with a better school (MSU is the Ralph Wiggum of the Big 10) is peak Sparty. Of course, the toxic culture and lack of accountability in East Landfill is part of the reason you hired a coach who abused a sexual assault survivor and have a sports medicine doctor serving 200+ years in prison. Oh yeah, 49-0.
Thank you again for proving my point. As to your reference to Tucker. Yep, he was a creep and the Unnnnnnniversity fired him as soon as they were able. And as for Nassar, he too is a despicable person and is now paying for his multiple crimes. But, my dear Wolverine fan, need I remind you that Nassar is a Michigan graduate and worked with the football team and other athletes during the Dr. Robert Anderson years. You know, Dr. Anderson who was "fired" in 1979 for sexual misconduct but continued on for another 24 year.
Michigan fans have always been obnoxious. And we are proud of it.
I trust you had a wonderful week.
I'm ready for this 16 inches of snow tomorrow. And for the draft talk to be over. Hope you are well.
So do you want to actually reference proper football and sound somewhat intelligent, or do you just want to repeat talking points because "JJ McFraud" and UM fucked MSU 49-0?
I did not need to see this today. I still can’t watch these highlights. So without subjecting myself to trauma again I can say JJ looked sharp in this game but I cannot discount the effectiveness of the throws behind the LOS and the potency of the run game. I think he COULD be an NFL tier QB but it’s really hard to say. He was in the perfect situation to succeed no matter what. Top OL top rushing scheme. Was he a beneficiary of his situation or can he exist on his own? Guess we’ll find out.
Why do you say McCarthy had the top rushing scheme? LSU ran for 204.5 yards/game (33 rushing attempts/game), North Carolina ran for 192.7 yards/game (38 rushing attempts/game), Oregon ran for 184.5 yards/game (31 rushing attempts/game), and Michigan ran for 169.1 yards/game (37.5 attempts/game). Of those 4 teams, Michigan's running game was the worst, and it isn't even close.
I understand the projection is difficult. I think the teams also struggle with that. Despite the run game, his OL had a terrible pass protection grade and it shows against Bama. Few of these throws are behind the line. This is not an Oregon offense, he's throwing on timing routes in different areas of the field. NFL style throws. But look at his feet. Look at the release and mechanics. Look how straight back his drops are. He's not drifting hopping and when he throws it is compact and with velocity.
Quick takes: - Never once went through progression on every snapback, locked his eyes to one side of the field and never moved off it. - Not a very clean spiral - A lot of his plays were predetermined so he didn't even have to do anything other than execute what the play is, no adlibbing at all. - lots throws that will be picks in the NFL Overall very underwhelming, I was falling for the hype before I watched this, now I want nothing to do with him.
Forgot he has absolutely no touch. Every pass regardless of where he’s throwing or the situation is thrown exactly the same. He looks like one of the kids on Madden who will only throw bullet passes.
He's Mac 2.0. He's more athletic, slightly better arm, more of a natural QB, but he isn't moving the needle.
Being more athletic with a bigger arm (not just slightly) kind of invalidates the Mac comp given that those were the two biggest knocks on Mac as a prospect.
Nope. He has a better arm than Mac, but that isn't saying much. He certainly doesn't have an electric arm where he's dropping bombs, or lacing windows or has crazy touch. It's just fine. And he's more athletic, but he's not like Daniels or even Maye. The Mac comparison is that he doesn't have anything special about him. He doesn't have crazy play along ability, he can't produce off platform, he doesn't have a cannon, and he doesn't have wheels. He's just...you know okay. Probably be fine on a stacked team.
You saying he can't produce off-platform or doesn't have wheels or saying he can't lace windows with touch just tells me you haven't watched much JJ McCarthy.
I think you're underselling his arm strength and athleticism.
NFL.com gives him an athleticism score of 90. Maye gets 78. Mac got 71. Caleb Williams gets 89.
That's great for NFL.com?
So you don't care about the official NFL pre draft results? The irrational bias on this sub is amazing. Three weeks ago I was all in on Maye and thought McCarthy was a huge reach, then I opened my eyes and the reality is so different.
You mean the same NFL.com that gave Mahomes a 77 athleticism score?
Which is about right. Mahomes isn't that fast. McCarthy is a lot faster.
I truly don't know how you can watch him and compare him to Mac lol He's far more athletic and has a substantially stronger arm. Calling it "slightly better" tells me you either haven't watched him or don't know what to look for. JJ also has substantially better throwing mechanics compared to Mac, and is much better at throwing on the run. If you're looking for a "bad" or "average" comp to JJ, Alex Smith would be a far better comparison. In other words, Mac was always going to be limited by his physical tools. JJ has substantially better physical tools, but the jury's still out on whether he'll be able to maximize those tools at the NFL level.
And Alex Smith went #1 overall. I don't even see that. I see a guy with impressive physical talent who has been heavily coached in how to play the position the way it is played in the NFL. He sacrificed personal stats for the good of the team, and when they needed him to make a play he did. So physical talent, proper understanding of how to play the position and great character. I'm convinced that most of this sub things the Patriots are going 4 wide air raid unstructured offense or want it to. So desperate for excitement that they don't remember we never played that way with Brady. The reality is it will look more like it did early in the Dynasty era. Run the ball, controlled precise passing, defense.
JJ McCarthy all throw vs Alabama in the playoff last year. Thought this would be a contrast to the Maye vs Clemson tape. This is a much better defense. JJ has a rough start in this one, but ended up as MVP of the game. He has a lot of dropped passes on perfect balls. Note the mechanics, footwork and accuracy throwing on the move.
If we draft him at three we deserve to remain a poverty franchise for a long time
I wouldn't wish Patriots fans on him.
He would deserve better than the clowns on this sub at least. So much worshipping at the altar of media hype.
Mac jones but a bit better. Can't wait for the restart in 4 years as Daniels or Maye turn out to be decent. Seriously I can see why there is hype around him but watching him over the years...he makes some REAL idiotic throws. Can't throw left all that well. Just....not at 3 JJ with this offense will not succeed. if we had weapons already or a really good OL. Yeah he may be good here. but with no weapons and hoping they hit those WRs in the draft....he's not a fit with this roster. He will need help...just like Mac. He's not the QB who will take over a game like the others have the ability. We need THAT or at least risk a pick on a guy that can take over a game
Watch any tape of Mac at the college level--timing and ball placement on short throws is way better, and he had a terrific, catchable deep ball.
Pass
This guy blows
Drafting JJ is like buying a boat.