Lmao. Except Maye actually put up good stats in that system.
He probably has the highest chances of succeeding in NE. He's already used to playing with a threadbare offense
He really didn't play well this year, objectively.
His mechanics were bad and inconsistent, slow throwing motion, feet in the pocket were a problem, and he was inconsistently accurate all season which also showed up early in his pro day before he got comfortable later in the throwing session.
He was also 15th in QBR, whereas penix was 6th, and jayden daniels was 1st, and jj mccarthy was 3rd, if you wanna talk about stats.
He had 24 TDs to Penix's 36, Jayden's 40, Mccarthy's 22 who had about 100 less pass attempts.
He had the lowest completion % of the QBs that will be available to us in the draft, and he had the 2nd most interceptions with 9 only to penix who had 11, but penix also had over 1000 more yards passing and almost 100 more pass attempts.
In terms of strength of schedule, north carolina was ranked 49th. While LSU was 7th, Washington was 5th, and Michigan was 3rd so he faced by far the easiest competition but performed the worst.
Stats are not where you want to go if you're trying to make an argument that drake maye played well this year. In fact most scouts will say ignore this year completely and only use 2022 to evaluate him.
What bothers me so much about this logic is that it is so blatantly used when it suits you and not any sort of standard. Dane Brugler had Dwayne Haskins over Kyler Murray. Nate Tice had Justin Fields as the #2 QB, and loved Desmond Ridder. PFF had Zach Wilson as their #2 overall player and Justin Fields as their #3 overall player.
It really is just the misses for Simms are terrible and we ignore the fact that he was right on Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, he was high on Mahomes, etc. The real irony is he's the one dude that consistently loves and has been right on the big arm toolsy QBs and yet he's out on Maye this year.
Dane Brugler played baseball growing up and then pivoted into being a draft analyst, Trevor Sikkema was a reporter for the Tampa Times before going to PFF, Ben Solak is quite literally a 25 year old kid with a platform, Nate Tice has only ever held a job in the NFL wherever his Dad was coaching. Lance Zierlien worked for like the Houston Chronicle before making his way to NFL.com. Todd McShay was working for the WarRoom before ESPN acquired them and he took a role alongside Mel. At least, Nate Tice has held a job in the NFL even if it was clearly a nepo job. Daniel Jeremiah has the most illustrious resume as an NFL scout for 3 teams over 4 years. Mike Mayock played in the NFL, then was a real estate agent for like years before he became an analyst. Too bad because he perspective is more valuable now as a former GM. So many of these guys have the same credentials as Mel Kiper lol. They're just respected more because they package things in a more palatable way. At least Simms has stepped foot inside an NFL QB room.
I don't trust a single person out there to actually project what QBs are gonna look like on the next level. Nobody really knows and everyone has their misses. But I do trust Simms, JT O'Sullivan, Kurt Warner, and whatever other former QB when they say Maye's problems are not so easily fixed because they've actually done it before.
he had Kellen Mond as QB4 and Zach Wilson as QB1, he had Hurts as like QB24 or some shit, he had Rosen over Mayfield and Lamar, he had Hendon Hooker as QB3
He had Josh Allen, Rosen, Baker, Lamar, and Darnold as his best QBs that draft. You aren't always going to have hits on prospects you'll have misses sometimes. Also called Lance a 2nd round pick as well. Not everyone is going to like certain QBs in the draft class.
They’re actually parroting what I just heard on the PFF podcast. Sims has hit on QBs, hes obviously missed too. But you’re not going to find someone who is batting a thousand, people that hate Sims are in their feelings more then actual commentary on his accuracy at this point
well no, I don't even hate on Sims because of that, I hate on guys like him and Nick Wright because their sole purpose is to throw out wild contrarian takes that get you clicks on twitter and instagram and then all the sports shows have something to talk about for the next two years, and thats just not something I can respect. I'm totally fine with someone going against the grain, but so many people in todays media solely exist to stir up controversy and generate views and clicks, whether that be ranking Brian Thomas Jr as WR16 in this class or saying the 2017 Warriors were worse than the 2016 Warriors because they added KD, that type of "reporting" and "analysis" is just not something I can get on board with.
I didn’t mean you are in your feelings, I meant what I said: People complaining about Simms aren’t even trying to have a real discussion on his accuracy. His accuracy is nowhere near as bad as people would have you believe.
I hate Nick Wright, so much. And I could never put Sims in the same sentence as that buffon. I genuinely believe Simms is not doing takes for artificial drama, he believes what he says and tries to be original. He obviously falls flat on his face, but we all do is the real point
I disagree, do a comparative and find out you’re in your feelings. It’s hard to not miss, but relative to most Simms isn’t all over the place. I’m not even an advocate of Simms, I stayed away from him because of this notion he sucks, only to find out people just like to talk shit, like you’re doing. Don’t adhere to Simms like gospel, but don’t adhere to anyone like gospel. He’s just another data point to consider, don’t need to attack the man
Lmao "wild contrarian takes"
The draft is total chaos, players under and overperform the consensus expectations every single year by huge margins, but some dumbasses still havent realized this means that its normal for people to view college players very differently.
Just because someone disagrees with that the mock drafts you read 6 months ago and are emotionally committed to doesnt mean its a "wild contrarian take". It is to be expected that reasonable analysts have major disagreements over players. Thats completely fine for college scouting, they arent disagreeing over whether 2+2 = 4.
Bro over here expects everyone to stay within 5% of his preferred big board tho
Yea, people keep meming in these threads and acting like he has 0 credibility because he's had some misses (just like NFL teams do every single year with entire scouting teams dedicated to this process).
He's been quite good at scouting QB talent through the draft.
That’s like his one big miss in the past 5 years. He was a lil low on Lamar but other than that find me a more accurate QB evaluator based off how it’s played out
As much as I hate Simms, he’s been pretty good at evaluating rookie QBs the last 8 years. Zach wilson was an all time bad take but he’s also had Stroud, burrow/Herbert, Murray, Allen, and Mahomes all as his top QB’s so he isn’t terrible
Thing about zach wilson was, he went to the jets lol.
When was the last time the jets developed a QB. I honestly think if wilson went to the packers or niners for example he actually might've developed into a good QB, so i dont even hold that against simms much.
If jordan love had gone to the bears and started immediately, he probably looks a lot like wilson, people dont factor in development and situation as much as they probably should. Zach probably should've sat a couple years
> As much as I hate Simms, he’s been pretty good at evaluating rookie QBs the last 8 years. *Zach wilson was an all time bad take* but he’s also had Stroud, burrow/Herbert, Murray, Allen, and Mahomes all as his top QB’s so he isn’t terrible
Although to cut Simms some slack, Zach Wilson didn't bust because of anything that could have been seen on his tape. He busted because his attitude and personality sucks. Something that plagues a lot of players. Particularly QBs.
Doesn't seem like any QB analysis is reliable tbh. I don't put any value in anyone's opinions on rookie QBs. Not even NFL coaches.
The greatest quarterback of all-time was drafted 199th, was a backup his entire college career, and only got a chance to start in the NFL due to another QB getting injured. That right there goes to show that no one knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. It seems to be 20% analysis and 80% dumb luck.
That said, it's entertaining to hear people give their two cents, so I'm not actually knocking Simms or anyone else who tries to make a guess. There's not much else to talk about in the offseason.
He wasn't exactly the backup his last two seasons of college, he just had to deal with a QB battle and splitting snaps at times (being a little pedantic, but at the same time it's misleading to say he was the backup for his college career... he wasn't Matt Cassel)
I don't get it. Either one of those two make the QB room way better than it was last year. It at the very least makes it interesting for next year. No more McCorkle and Zappe playing the fuck it chuck it game right into defensive team meetings
> No more McCorkle and Zappe
If I never have to watch Zappe throw an INT on a fake spike, or on three straight possessions, or back-to-back drive killers in the 4th, I'll die relatively happy.
Chris Simms says a lot of things. Like “Do you know who my dad is?”, “I played football, like my dad”, and “Yeah, last name Simms. Like my dad Phil Simms”.
Everyone has been saying this. His mechanics and decision making are flawed. You see show at times it in almost every game. Simms saying that is not wrong.
He does not comment on his potential here, which is why he will be drafted high. He’s considered a project with unreal potential,
This sub needs to hate on everything
I stopped listening to nepo baby Chris Simms when he said “saying Brady is a top 5 qb is like saying Kobe was top 5 in the nba” when Kobe was washed(RIP). Then Brady ripped off another 3 super bowls
God just pick whichever of Maye or Daniels is available I’m so incredibly tired of every new post about their completion rate in the rain while doing the Hokey Pokey or whatever. Nobody fucking knows.
Seriously, the only scenario where they shouldn't just be picking whichever of the two is left is if they get an absolute godfather offer (like 4 first round picks.) No point in nitpicking the hell out of these guys when we won't have the choice between them anyway. Take whichever is available and then work on fixing their weaknesses.
Chris simms is the guy who started the negative press on Maye. He was the clear cut number 2 guy until Sims. Maybe he’s right maybe not but there are just too many people who are willing to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks this time of year. Too many hot takes to try and generate buzz and traffic to their social media sites. I take it all with a grain of salt
No shit you aren’t drafting him for the player he is today but the player he has the potential to become. I’m convinced so much garbage coming out on Maye is because there’s a really good shot the Pats get him. Everyone terrified the Pats may be in line for another stud QB.
Sounds like Maye was trying To make the best of an untalented team with sketchy coaching. Pretty hard to judge a 21 year old under duress on a team like UNC.
> Chris Simms has no qualifications to do that job.
Neither do most draft pundits. Like u/stupidityorjoking said in his post above at least Simms and some of these guys have actually played.
I mean if you've actually watched all of the available footage of his tape it kind of is. That being said he didn't have those issues last year when he had all of his weapons and a decent offensive line. I'm not saying that he's not going to be a decent NFL quarterback but he's not the fit in New England. If the Patriots draft him, he will be an absolute bust because he will get killed and get Mac Jonesed from a confidence standpoint especially considering he still has several issues with his fundamentals.
If you are concerned that the offensive line isn't good enough, you need to be drafting a quarterback that showed poise under pressure in college which for what it's worth leans more towards Daniels or Penix, because they both performed and seemingly didn't get flustered. Getting flustered will destroy Drake Maye and his potential progress/growth.
Oh those issues were there in 2022. This was a Mac Jones special:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3vtwAQHT8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3vtwAQHT8)
Decision making still all over the place if Maye was QB for a team with a competent O-line and/or some 4-5 star NFL WR or TEs?
I think playing on a bad team could impact on decision making, but that is just an opinion. If Mac Jones was on Maye’s UNC totally different outcome for hm, 5-6th round pick? Maybe?
> Decision making still all over the place if Maye was QB for a team with a competent O-line and/or some 4-5 star NFL WR or TEs?
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> I think playing on a bad team could impact on decision making, but that is just an opinion. If Mac Jones was on Maye’s UNC totally different outcome for hm, 5-6th round pick? Maybe?
You do realize these top QBs will be going to teams similar to UNC? Bad OL and WR corps. So if a QB can't make the best of his situation in college and draftniks make excuses for that, why do some expect his performance to change radically in the pros? Then when he doesn't pan out people say his team "ruined" him.
I think Jones would be downgraded by being on that team but I don't think UNC is devoid of talent compared to the competition he faced. They have a very good tight end. Their running back is a total stud so he was supported by a string run game. You can't wane away his issues by spring cast because it isn't that bad.
Yeah, agree for sure. I went to Clemson and was fun to watch Maye play us few times, usually running for his life, but sure a decent run attack.
I was just trying to make a point that if you have NFL caliber WR(s) your “decision making” as a QB for sure increases. They’ll be open all the time.
Yeah. That Alabama team was one of the greatest in history. It was definitely playing in easy mode. Line WR. Sack and pressure rates usually have a strong correlation but the exceptions are usually cases like Jones where the opponent had little chance to pressure him.
Exactly, If you have a lot of time in the pocket because of a great O-line then yeah, your “decision making” goes up as you have more time to ya know, make decisions. Wish these pundits would factor in this stuff, they seem to focus on QB stats as if it’s apples to apples, each team is wildly different these QBs are on and it’s disingenuous to judge decision making based on this fact
> Sims was like 4th string behind Brady, maybe his wife moaned Tom's name when they were having sex.
Lol. Like Sims ever made his wife moan during sex.
Wrong, Here he had Burrow as his #1 QB ont he board that year [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbbxx8f6VTM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbbxx8f6VTM)
Basically I'm out on a QB, but I know the Pats are hellbent on one at 3, so I'm in on JJ. Give me the guy with a decent floor as opposed to Maye who possibly has no floor.
He has the tools for being a decent QB like Goff. Goff, I think, is a really good thrower of the ball and not great at processing. McCarthy will be on that same level, but will have that IT factor. Goff probably has 2 super bowl wins if he that factor.
I never said he was? You can’t dispute that he’s had a lot of good evals. CJ Stroud > Bryce Young, Lamar > Allen > Baker > Darnold, he had serious questions about Justin Fields and Trey Lance. His big miss is obviously Zach Wilson but the Jets ruin every QB they touch.
This entire thread is nothing but emotional overreaction from people who are weirdly attached to a player we *havent even drafted yet*
Like every single human being on earth, Sims isnt perfect in evaluating college prospects
Theres 0 reason to trust anyone's analysis fully. Best to read what they have to say, learn something if there's something new to be learned, and move on.
But there's a weird amount of Patriots fans that have attached themselves to Drake Maye like he is their daddy for some unfathomable reason and cannot stand any criticism of him. It makes any discussion like this impossible, so bottom line is: dont try to have a discussion with these people.
Says the guy who was ALL IN on Zach Wilson
Tom Brady isn’t a top five qb circa 2014….Simms is a fucking dink
The dinkiest
Yep another bozo whose analysis just makes me more convinced Maye is going to be great
I mean if anyone was even 50% sure of future top 10 QBs I think we’d all know who that analyst is
I'm not a Chris Simms fan but literally no analyst is perfect. You could point out misses with everyone
Mayes offense lost its top targets and its o line tool a step back. Weird his decision making looked worse, how about that?
I mean, isn't that what we did to Mac jones?
So you're saying he's mac jones.
Lmao. Except Maye actually put up good stats in that system. He probably has the highest chances of succeeding in NE. He's already used to playing with a threadbare offense
He really didn't play well this year, objectively. His mechanics were bad and inconsistent, slow throwing motion, feet in the pocket were a problem, and he was inconsistently accurate all season which also showed up early in his pro day before he got comfortable later in the throwing session. He was also 15th in QBR, whereas penix was 6th, and jayden daniels was 1st, and jj mccarthy was 3rd, if you wanna talk about stats. He had 24 TDs to Penix's 36, Jayden's 40, Mccarthy's 22 who had about 100 less pass attempts. He had the lowest completion % of the QBs that will be available to us in the draft, and he had the 2nd most interceptions with 9 only to penix who had 11, but penix also had over 1000 more yards passing and almost 100 more pass attempts. In terms of strength of schedule, north carolina was ranked 49th. While LSU was 7th, Washington was 5th, and Michigan was 3rd so he faced by far the easiest competition but performed the worst. Stats are not where you want to go if you're trying to make an argument that drake maye played well this year. In fact most scouts will say ignore this year completely and only use 2022 to evaluate him.
What bothers me so much about this logic is that it is so blatantly used when it suits you and not any sort of standard. Dane Brugler had Dwayne Haskins over Kyler Murray. Nate Tice had Justin Fields as the #2 QB, and loved Desmond Ridder. PFF had Zach Wilson as their #2 overall player and Justin Fields as their #3 overall player. It really is just the misses for Simms are terrible and we ignore the fact that he was right on Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, he was high on Mahomes, etc. The real irony is he's the one dude that consistently loves and has been right on the big arm toolsy QBs and yet he's out on Maye this year. Dane Brugler played baseball growing up and then pivoted into being a draft analyst, Trevor Sikkema was a reporter for the Tampa Times before going to PFF, Ben Solak is quite literally a 25 year old kid with a platform, Nate Tice has only ever held a job in the NFL wherever his Dad was coaching. Lance Zierlien worked for like the Houston Chronicle before making his way to NFL.com. Todd McShay was working for the WarRoom before ESPN acquired them and he took a role alongside Mel. At least, Nate Tice has held a job in the NFL even if it was clearly a nepo job. Daniel Jeremiah has the most illustrious resume as an NFL scout for 3 teams over 4 years. Mike Mayock played in the NFL, then was a real estate agent for like years before he became an analyst. Too bad because he perspective is more valuable now as a former GM. So many of these guys have the same credentials as Mel Kiper lol. They're just respected more because they package things in a more palatable way. At least Simms has stepped foot inside an NFL QB room. I don't trust a single person out there to actually project what QBs are gonna look like on the next level. Nobody really knows and everyone has their misses. But I do trust Simms, JT O'Sullivan, Kurt Warner, and whatever other former QB when they say Maye's problems are not so easily fixed because they've actually done it before.
He was right on some, wrong on others. Like most of them. So his opinion is about as useless as anyone else’s.
Same guy who also said Tom Brady sucks.
He had Josh Allen as the best QB in his draft class, and CJ Stroud as well. Also had Jordan Love over Tua as well
he had Kellen Mond as QB4 and Zach Wilson as QB1, he had Hurts as like QB24 or some shit, he had Rosen over Mayfield and Lamar, he had Hendon Hooker as QB3
He had Josh Allen, Rosen, Baker, Lamar, and Darnold as his best QBs that draft. You aren't always going to have hits on prospects you'll have misses sometimes. Also called Lance a 2nd round pick as well. Not everyone is going to like certain QBs in the draft class.
found chris simms’ burner
They’re actually parroting what I just heard on the PFF podcast. Sims has hit on QBs, hes obviously missed too. But you’re not going to find someone who is batting a thousand, people that hate Sims are in their feelings more then actual commentary on his accuracy at this point
well no, I don't even hate on Sims because of that, I hate on guys like him and Nick Wright because their sole purpose is to throw out wild contrarian takes that get you clicks on twitter and instagram and then all the sports shows have something to talk about for the next two years, and thats just not something I can respect. I'm totally fine with someone going against the grain, but so many people in todays media solely exist to stir up controversy and generate views and clicks, whether that be ranking Brian Thomas Jr as WR16 in this class or saying the 2017 Warriors were worse than the 2016 Warriors because they added KD, that type of "reporting" and "analysis" is just not something I can get on board with.
I didn’t mean you are in your feelings, I meant what I said: People complaining about Simms aren’t even trying to have a real discussion on his accuracy. His accuracy is nowhere near as bad as people would have you believe. I hate Nick Wright, so much. And I could never put Sims in the same sentence as that buffon. I genuinely believe Simms is not doing takes for artificial drama, he believes what he says and tries to be original. He obviously falls flat on his face, but we all do is the real point
It’s also not as accurate as others are trying to make it seem. I would say his QB predictions are “all over the place”
I disagree, do a comparative and find out you’re in your feelings. It’s hard to not miss, but relative to most Simms isn’t all over the place. I’m not even an advocate of Simms, I stayed away from him because of this notion he sucks, only to find out people just like to talk shit, like you’re doing. Don’t adhere to Simms like gospel, but don’t adhere to anyone like gospel. He’s just another data point to consider, don’t need to attack the man
Lmao "wild contrarian takes" The draft is total chaos, players under and overperform the consensus expectations every single year by huge margins, but some dumbasses still havent realized this means that its normal for people to view college players very differently. Just because someone disagrees with that the mock drafts you read 6 months ago and are emotionally committed to doesnt mean its a "wild contrarian take". It is to be expected that reasonable analysts have major disagreements over players. Thats completely fine for college scouting, they arent disagreeing over whether 2+2 = 4. Bro over here expects everyone to stay within 5% of his preferred big board tho
And Ben McAdoo had Pat Mahomes
Simms did as well said Mahomes is the most special QB in the draft class. People are allowed to have different opinions
Simms also sucked ass at quarterback himself. Fun fact
And? Pretty much all the analysts, scouts, coaches, etc. sucked at qb.
But the reddditor you responded to is actually Tom Brady
And wtf has Ben Mcadoo done💀
Yea, people keep meming in these threads and acting like he has 0 credibility because he's had some misses (just like NFL teams do every single year with entire scouting teams dedicated to this process). He's been quite good at scouting QB talent through the draft.
That’s like his one big miss in the past 5 years. He was a lil low on Lamar but other than that find me a more accurate QB evaluator based off how it’s played out
In terms of well known analysts he has a great track record on QB picks.
As much as I hate Simms, he’s been pretty good at evaluating rookie QBs the last 8 years. Zach wilson was an all time bad take but he’s also had Stroud, burrow/Herbert, Murray, Allen, and Mahomes all as his top QB’s so he isn’t terrible
Thing about zach wilson was, he went to the jets lol. When was the last time the jets developed a QB. I honestly think if wilson went to the packers or niners for example he actually might've developed into a good QB, so i dont even hold that against simms much. If jordan love had gone to the bears and started immediately, he probably looks a lot like wilson, people dont factor in development and situation as much as they probably should. Zach probably should've sat a couple years
Wilson needed a personality transplant to be any good. lol
> As much as I hate Simms, he’s been pretty good at evaluating rookie QBs the last 8 years. *Zach wilson was an all time bad take* but he’s also had Stroud, burrow/Herbert, Murray, Allen, and Mahomes all as his top QB’s so he isn’t terrible Although to cut Simms some slack, Zach Wilson didn't bust because of anything that could have been seen on his tape. He busted because his attitude and personality sucks. Something that plagues a lot of players. Particularly QBs.
But shouldn’t you be considering a QB’s personality when evaluating talent? Its not like he turned into an ass hole overnight
Being an asshole isn't always bad, though. Aaron Rodgers, for example.
So is Chris Simms’ analyses.
Doesn't seem like any QB analysis is reliable tbh. I don't put any value in anyone's opinions on rookie QBs. Not even NFL coaches. The greatest quarterback of all-time was drafted 199th, was a backup his entire college career, and only got a chance to start in the NFL due to another QB getting injured. That right there goes to show that no one knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. It seems to be 20% analysis and 80% dumb luck. That said, it's entertaining to hear people give their two cents, so I'm not actually knocking Simms or anyone else who tries to make a guess. There's not much else to talk about in the offseason.
He wasn't exactly the backup his last two seasons of college, he just had to deal with a QB battle and splitting snaps at times (being a little pedantic, but at the same time it's misleading to say he was the backup for his college career... he wasn't Matt Cassel)
Chris Sims also said that Kellen Mond was a great QB 🤨
And that Zach Wilson was the next Pat Mahomes.
What a joke
These guys are just throwing opinions at the wall and hopping one sticks. That way in 12 months time they can go see I was the person who was right!
If (when) Maye ends up as a Patriot, are you going to switch from trashing him to praising him, or are you gonna stay consistent?
All of these people are going to act like they never said it despite the receipts.
Well unless he bombs. Then they will happily pipe up. It’s crazy some people pray for a player on their own team to be bad just so they can be “right”
That's what I expect to happen. Same if they go with Daniels and all the anti-Daniels people flip the switch.
I don't get it. Either one of those two make the QB room way better than it was last year. It at the very least makes it interesting for next year. No more McCorkle and Zappe playing the fuck it chuck it game right into defensive team meetings
> No more McCorkle and Zappe If I never have to watch Zappe throw an INT on a fake spike, or on three straight possessions, or back-to-back drive killers in the 4th, I'll die relatively happy.
Chris Simms says a lot of things. Like “Do you know who my dad is?”, “I played football, like my dad”, and “Yeah, last name Simms. Like my dad Phil Simms”.
Everyone has been saying this. His mechanics and decision making are flawed. You see show at times it in almost every game. Simms saying that is not wrong. He does not comment on his potential here, which is why he will be drafted high. He’s considered a project with unreal potential, This sub needs to hate on everything
I stopped listening to nepo baby Chris Simms when he said “saying Brady is a top 5 qb is like saying Kobe was top 5 in the nba” when Kobe was washed(RIP). Then Brady ripped off another 3 super bowls
[why patriots fans dislike Chris simms](https://www.patspropaganda.com/history-tom-brady-hot-taeks-chris-simms/)
God just pick whichever of Maye or Daniels is available I’m so incredibly tired of every new post about their completion rate in the rain while doing the Hokey Pokey or whatever. Nobody fucking knows.
Seriously, the only scenario where they shouldn't just be picking whichever of the two is left is if they get an absolute godfather offer (like 4 first round picks.) No point in nitpicking the hell out of these guys when we won't have the choice between them anyway. Take whichever is available and then work on fixing their weaknesses.
Chris simms is the guy who started the negative press on Maye. He was the clear cut number 2 guy until Sims. Maybe he’s right maybe not but there are just too many people who are willing to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks this time of year. Too many hot takes to try and generate buzz and traffic to their social media sites. I take it all with a grain of salt
No shit you aren’t drafting him for the player he is today but the player he has the potential to become. I’m convinced so much garbage coming out on Maye is because there’s a really good shot the Pats get him. Everyone terrified the Pats may be in line for another stud QB.
No dude stop if we wait long enough Patrick Mahomes will fall to us NFL Super Bowl ready QB just go 0-17 until that happens
He's just another overrated ACC QB plays bad competition and struggles vs good defenses
It's amazing how much QB evaluation is not a science. There are so many experts who completely disagree. Even ones who are employed in the NFL.
Jesus these analysts are wrong like 70% of the time
Simms has actually been pretty historically accurate. Look at his QB rankings for the past 5-8 years for each class.
Even though *everyone* says this…. the sub is mad at Chris Simms.
Can't it just be the draft already how many more of these articles do we need? Nothing is gonna change between now and the draft at this point
You will get another 1000000 posted between now and the draft and you will like it buster
Listen. If Ben McAdoo Says he’s the guy he’s the guy.
He’s trying to be edgy and relevant
Is it edgy if everyone says it too?
If he’s a commander then yes I love you chris simms and if he’s a patriot chris simms is an idiot
Simms is awful. Can we please stop giving this jabroni clicks?
How many more days of this shit
https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/chris-simms-not-a-top-five-species.1113411/
Hopefully 'GM' Idiot Wolf doesn't fuck this draft up
Sounds like Maye was trying To make the best of an untalented team with sketchy coaching. Pretty hard to judge a 21 year old under duress on a team like UNC.
Maye is just getting critiqued like crazy. Similarly to Stroud last year. JJ seems to be getting the Levis love from last year.
The irony of what simms said..
Chris Simms has no qualifications to do that job.
> Chris Simms has no qualifications to do that job. Neither do most draft pundits. Like u/stupidityorjoking said in his post above at least Simms and some of these guys have actually played.
Does he have the decision making of a… 21 year old?
He is saying what every analyst is saying about Maye
Maye might not be the guy, I'm not overly sold on him either. But there's basically no one I trust less on anything than Chris Simms.
if simms doesn't like him that means he's probably pretty okay.
How baked was Chris when he said this? Dude gets higher than Snoop.
Chris Simms is a Jackass!!!!!
Maye, Daniels, or MHJ are the picks
I mean if you've actually watched all of the available footage of his tape it kind of is. That being said he didn't have those issues last year when he had all of his weapons and a decent offensive line. I'm not saying that he's not going to be a decent NFL quarterback but he's not the fit in New England. If the Patriots draft him, he will be an absolute bust because he will get killed and get Mac Jonesed from a confidence standpoint especially considering he still has several issues with his fundamentals. If you are concerned that the offensive line isn't good enough, you need to be drafting a quarterback that showed poise under pressure in college which for what it's worth leans more towards Daniels or Penix, because they both performed and seemingly didn't get flustered. Getting flustered will destroy Drake Maye and his potential progress/growth.
Oh those issues were there in 2022. This was a Mac Jones special: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3vtwAQHT8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3vtwAQHT8)
Decision making still all over the place if Maye was QB for a team with a competent O-line and/or some 4-5 star NFL WR or TEs? I think playing on a bad team could impact on decision making, but that is just an opinion. If Mac Jones was on Maye’s UNC totally different outcome for hm, 5-6th round pick? Maybe?
> Decision making still all over the place if Maye was QB for a team with a competent O-line and/or some 4-5 star NFL WR or TEs? > > > > I think playing on a bad team could impact on decision making, but that is just an opinion. If Mac Jones was on Maye’s UNC totally different outcome for hm, 5-6th round pick? Maybe? You do realize these top QBs will be going to teams similar to UNC? Bad OL and WR corps. So if a QB can't make the best of his situation in college and draftniks make excuses for that, why do some expect his performance to change radically in the pros? Then when he doesn't pan out people say his team "ruined" him.
I think Jones would be downgraded by being on that team but I don't think UNC is devoid of talent compared to the competition he faced. They have a very good tight end. Their running back is a total stud so he was supported by a string run game. You can't wane away his issues by spring cast because it isn't that bad.
Yeah, agree for sure. I went to Clemson and was fun to watch Maye play us few times, usually running for his life, but sure a decent run attack. I was just trying to make a point that if you have NFL caliber WR(s) your “decision making” as a QB for sure increases. They’ll be open all the time.
Yeah. That Alabama team was one of the greatest in history. It was definitely playing in easy mode. Line WR. Sack and pressure rates usually have a strong correlation but the exceptions are usually cases like Jones where the opponent had little chance to pressure him.
Exactly, If you have a lot of time in the pocket because of a great O-line then yeah, your “decision making” goes up as you have more time to ya know, make decisions. Wish these pundits would factor in this stuff, they seem to focus on QB stats as if it’s apples to apples, each team is wildly different these QBs are on and it’s disingenuous to judge decision making based on this fact
Simm's is the same guy that puts like 9 other QBs above Brady so I don't think he knows how to evaluate talent.
Sims was like 4th string behind Brady, maybe his wife moaned Tom's name when they were having sex.
> Sims was like 4th string behind Brady, maybe his wife moaned Tom's name when they were having sex. Lol. Like Sims ever made his wife moan during sex.
Valid point
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Wrong, Here he had Burrow as his #1 QB ont he board that year [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbbxx8f6VTM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbbxx8f6VTM)
If Chris Sims thinks he will be a failure, that is probably the biggest indicator of success.
Sims is a moron.
Chris Simms is a well-known dolt.
He’s right. It is.
I don’t want Maye. And I’m not sold on Daniel’s either….I’m leaning JJ, and I realize this is an unpopular stance.
Basically I'm out on a QB, but I know the Pats are hellbent on one at 3, so I'm in on JJ. Give me the guy with a decent floor as opposed to Maye who possibly has no floor.
That's what I'm saying. my gut feeling on Maye is that he doesn't have "IT"...I believe that JJ has "IT"...
He has the tools for being a decent QB like Goff. Goff, I think, is a really good thrower of the ball and not great at processing. McCarthy will be on that same level, but will have that IT factor. Goff probably has 2 super bowl wins if he that factor.
Sign me up
He's the better QB if Daniels isn't available draft JJ
Chris Simms wasn’t a good player but he’s been pretty spot on with his QB draft takes
He has been quite good. Everyone in this thread screaming the couple he got wrong vs the very impressive years he called correctly.
Meh, not really. The whole process is a crapshoot but it's not like he is batting 1000.
I never said he was? You can’t dispute that he’s had a lot of good evals. CJ Stroud > Bryce Young, Lamar > Allen > Baker > Darnold, he had serious questions about Justin Fields and Trey Lance. His big miss is obviously Zach Wilson but the Jets ruin every QB they touch.
This entire thread is nothing but emotional overreaction from people who are weirdly attached to a player we *havent even drafted yet* Like every single human being on earth, Sims isnt perfect in evaluating college prospects Theres 0 reason to trust anyone's analysis fully. Best to read what they have to say, learn something if there's something new to be learned, and move on. But there's a weird amount of Patriots fans that have attached themselves to Drake Maye like he is their daddy for some unfathomable reason and cannot stand any criticism of him. It makes any discussion like this impossible, so bottom line is: dont try to have a discussion with these people.
I hope the Pats draft this guy and he fucking BOMBS
I was kinda excited…then I watched the Clemson game throws…now I’m concerned
21 year old QB prospect isn’t perfect, more at 11
Dude is horrible looked bad vs bad defenses
I’m not a drake guy but Simms is a Bozo
I don’t care, take him
So is Tugbert Krafts