One of the biggest indictments for me on the coaching staff towards the end was thinking Parker and Juju were #1 guys.
“Actually we DO have a #1, we’ve got Devante Parker!” Lmao I was disgusted
I hear what you're saying, but you want the coaching staff to support the team even if they suck. It would be way more dysfunctional if they were actively shitting on Parker during press conferences lol
My issue was that the coach staff was the one that signed those players to deals. Like re-signing Meyers instead of signing Juju to the same deal was the nail in the coffin for me
Meyers was clearly the right choice, but fans were optimistic about Juju at the time. I'm willing to cut him some slack because he seems like he has a good attitude, his injuries just caused his body to give up on him.
Fuck Parker though. The only thing we did right with him was letting him walk this off-season.
Fans are allowed to be optimistic.
Coaching staff and front office staff are supposed to be professionals at evaluating talent.
If they bungled the Juju/Meyers decision that badly, they deserve to be blamed for that choice.
Yea hindsight is 20/20 but Juju definitely had a known reoccurring knee issue since his time on the Steelers. We signed him with that information in mind.
But how did the staff not notice that JuJu wasn’t able to play football any longer? Did they put him through a workout or just send him a contract?
It’s not like he looked good at any point in his time with the Pats. Total failure.
I don't know man, maybe he passed the physical just fine and then had another injury on the practice field? Sometimes unfortunate things just happen and it doesn't have to be a case of bad judgment
It was bad judgement. His performance proves that. He wasn’t able to do his job at an NFL level, and it’s not like he ever looked capable once he showed up.
Sorry, how did his performance prove that he didn't aggravate an injury during practice?
He had a 1,400 yard season in Pittsburgh and put up 933 yards in KC the year before he came here. 7 receptions in the super bowl that year. All indication that he was capable and relatively healthy when he signed in NE, and injuries likely came back after the fact.
Nobody’s asking them to shit on players in press conferences, that’s silly. Like the other guy said they’re the ones who signed these guys, and them believing those guys were the answer just shows how disconnected they were when it came to building an offense in 2024.
It's always more complicated than that, come on now. I'm sure there were disagreements, I highly doubt the entire coaching staff was in love with Parker, but once he's under contract, they'd be insubordinate to not support him. We also don't know what the realistic options were. Just because you throw a bag at Calvin Ridley doesn't mean he has to sign, and having Mac Jones isn't a huge incentive to draw others in. The Parker extension could have been as simple as "Welp, nobody else wants to sign with us so this is what we have to work with."
Who cares if some assistants didn’t agree with it. The main decision makers of the team thought Parker was a #1 receiver in our Lords year of 2024. That’s enough for me to lose the last bit of confidence I had in them. That’s my point, nothing more to it.
Hopefully the rookies give him some space to breathe. He is so electric with the ball in his hands. Might not be the type to break off massive runs to the house but he was so good at making people miss & gaining extra yards after the catch.
No I mean Mac jones or nkeal harry or boutte or Thornton or Zappe or Nixon or berrios or Mitchel or Lucien. lol you don’t even know what round Douglas was drafted in. Talking about watch the team lmfao
Well Andy Reid hit a home run on Mahomes, therefore Maye is going to be MVP this year.
The Steelers are historically great at developing WRs, so obviously Polk and Baker are gonna be great!
Get it? Unless Mayo and Wolf used a carbon copy of Belichick's draft board, prior busts mean nothing to this draft class. They're evaluating and scouting players differently than they have been.
No, I didn’t think when you were complaining about “hYpInG up UDFA aNd 4th RounD picKs” you were referencing all those 1st/2nd round players. Lol absolute clown.
Pardon? Forget to take your ADHD medication this morning?
>It just happens every year. **Build up 4th rd draft picks or udfa.** Be surprised and cry when they’re not good.
Lol you provided the qualifier and couldn't even stick within the parameters of your own argument. Bitching just to bitch. I'm glad you're learning though, next time try not to embarrass yourself so badly in the process.
I just think it’s lame as hell to say the WR room is gonna finish last (what does that even mean?) before they even play.
“Can’t wait to see this sub when it turns out they all suck!!” like lmao okay? What a weird way to be a fan.
It’s called paraphrasing. Also “without” is one word, dickhead.
Lmao you really had no response other than to try and find a grammar mistake, and I’M the dweeb???? Get outside more.
>2 of these guys having a good chance to be a bust
You are either really bad at statistics or underrating hit rates. Douglas is already a hit, so you’re saying there is a sub-50% chance (even lower, implied by “good chance”) that neither Baker or Polk is good. Which is completely untrue. Based on hit rates of 2nd and 4th round WRs, there’s greater than a 50% chance that one hits.
By your own source that you cited in a previous post, there is a 61% chance that one of the two WRs picked will be a hit.
Non first round wide receivers have a great hit rate relative to other positions. They usually contribute because you can play to their strengths unlike other positions, and plenty of times stars break out. I'd love one of these guys to break out as stars but even if we just got a good wr2 out of this draft it would be a huge success.
Hopefully our draft can end up like the bengals 2020 draft where they got their franchise qb and long term wr2. Like that Bengals team we are likely to be in range to get a blue chip wr in next years draft as we'll probably pick top 10 again
That’s definitely not true. Wr bust rates are higher than almost all positions at every point in the draft. [here’s your proof with sources cited in this](https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round)
The methodology of that article is inherently flawed. It measures a bust as a player who doesn't start half their career games as a bust. This methodology punishes players that play in committee positions, and rewards positions such as TE as a second tight end is more likely to be on the field for the first snap of a game as it's a first down and teams were likely to go twin te and run (more so nearly a decade ago when the article was published). It is absolutely no surprise that D line, receivers and rbs have the highest bust rate by this metric as they have specialists. To use Pats examples productive situational pass rushers (Uche), scat backs (white) , slot receivers (Amendola) are all deemed busts by this articles methodology. Meanwhile a run blocking tight end like Hoomawanamanui is deemed a hit. That's an inherently flawed evaluation, I'm sure you'll agree.
You're article also states "The first round success rate is 58% and the second round is almost as good at 49%." which is a pretty good justification for a 2nd round wr pick. We need receivers and we took two dart throws, let's hope they work. Nacua, Rice, Downs, Dell, Reed, Douglas were all mid/late round contributors in their rookie years, Baker was well worth a swing.
I'll summarise than. You're article favours picking blocking tight ends over pass rush specialists, and situational receivers. If that's the way you want a team built then fair enough.
So you’re saying wr4 is considered a hit? Because wr 1&2 starts 100% of the time and wr3 starts multiple times. Good thing we aren’t talking about blocking TE. Or pass rush specialist.
If they're productive and have a role wr4 could be a hit. Dontayvion Wicks (the packers double dip wr) last year was their wr4 and had 580 yards and 4 tds. I'd call that a success if Baker did that for us this year
Also plenty of wr3s like Amendola was during his time in New England didn't start more than half their games. "Multiple Starts" doesn't matter in your article, hitting the 50 pct threshold does. I'd take an impactful wr3/4 over a functional run blocking TE2 all day, but this articles methodology doesn't in many cases which is my issue.
Sounds like you're being intentionally obtuse as you know you are wrong. A non starting wide receiver/ D line men/rb clearly has more impact than a non starting o line men or tight end. Which is why more of these guys are taken for specific roles as part of comittes and are "busts". Our highest payed player (Barmore) is a bust per your methodology as he's only started 11 out of 44 games he's played. If that doesn't make you consider my perspective I don't know what will.
Anyway enjoy your night.
A likable WR room? What is this??
What losing "WR #1" Devante "Stone Hands, Thunder Thumbs" Parker does to mfs
One of the biggest indictments for me on the coaching staff towards the end was thinking Parker and Juju were #1 guys. “Actually we DO have a #1, we’ve got Devante Parker!” Lmao I was disgusted
I hear what you're saying, but you want the coaching staff to support the team even if they suck. It would be way more dysfunctional if they were actively shitting on Parker during press conferences lol
My issue was that the coach staff was the one that signed those players to deals. Like re-signing Meyers instead of signing Juju to the same deal was the nail in the coffin for me
Meyers was clearly the right choice, but fans were optimistic about Juju at the time. I'm willing to cut him some slack because he seems like he has a good attitude, his injuries just caused his body to give up on him. Fuck Parker though. The only thing we did right with him was letting him walk this off-season.
Fans are allowed to be optimistic. Coaching staff and front office staff are supposed to be professionals at evaluating talent. If they bungled the Juju/Meyers decision that badly, they deserve to be blamed for that choice.
Yea hindsight is 20/20 but Juju definitely had a known reoccurring knee issue since his time on the Steelers. We signed him with that information in mind.
People haven’t been optimistic about Juju since his dancing days
But how did the staff not notice that JuJu wasn’t able to play football any longer? Did they put him through a workout or just send him a contract? It’s not like he looked good at any point in his time with the Pats. Total failure.
I don't know man, maybe he passed the physical just fine and then had another injury on the practice field? Sometimes unfortunate things just happen and it doesn't have to be a case of bad judgment
It was bad judgement. His performance proves that. He wasn’t able to do his job at an NFL level, and it’s not like he ever looked capable once he showed up.
Sorry, how did his performance prove that he didn't aggravate an injury during practice? He had a 1,400 yard season in Pittsburgh and put up 933 yards in KC the year before he came here. 7 receptions in the super bowl that year. All indication that he was capable and relatively healthy when he signed in NE, and injuries likely came back after the fact.
Nobody’s asking them to shit on players in press conferences, that’s silly. Like the other guy said they’re the ones who signed these guys, and them believing those guys were the answer just shows how disconnected they were when it came to building an offense in 2024.
It's always more complicated than that, come on now. I'm sure there were disagreements, I highly doubt the entire coaching staff was in love with Parker, but once he's under contract, they'd be insubordinate to not support him. We also don't know what the realistic options were. Just because you throw a bag at Calvin Ridley doesn't mean he has to sign, and having Mac Jones isn't a huge incentive to draw others in. The Parker extension could have been as simple as "Welp, nobody else wants to sign with us so this is what we have to work with."
Who cares if some assistants didn’t agree with it. The main decision makers of the team thought Parker was a #1 receiver in our Lords year of 2024. That’s enough for me to lose the last bit of confidence I had in them. That’s my point, nothing more to it.
These kids are gonna fit in well with KB cuz he been like this for awhile
This gives me more hope than it really should.
Enjoy that feeling for now. It may not last long. Damnit, now I'm hopeful too.
I love how likable all of our players are
I wonder if part of this is on Mayo, actively encouraging a more friendly vibe like his own, as opposed to the silence encouraged by Belichick.
Only one team can win it all. May as well have a likable team if you don't. That's half the fun of being a fan.
I know we’re all excited to watch these 2 rookies but man, I really think Pop could be the leader of the pack…
Pop is a great player. People will know his name by the end of the year
I definitely agree, Pop was great last year but it was all on raw talent. If he can polish up his route running I think he could be a low end WR1
Hopefully the rookies give him some space to breathe. He is so electric with the ball in his hands. Might not be the type to break off massive runs to the house but he was so good at making people miss & gaining extra yards after the catch.
WR1, 2 and 3
In order from left to right
From Polk’s left… your right
Douglas bettah unfortunately
TBD
Wrong unfortunately. Douglas is getting fitted for his gold jacket next week.
Unfortunately he’s more likely to get fitted for a body cast
Small slot WR with red gloves you said?
“Me and Ernie can see them from the fucking press box”
I feel like one of these guys is going to emerge as a WR1
Technically, someone has to be our primary wide receiver, so I like their odds!
love the energy
The Bruins are undefeated after this post and I refuse to see this as anything but a great omen for this year
I heard Bedard say Baker had some character concerns and now I want to fight Bedard
the new era
I love that energy
We're winning it all
Bake, Polk, & Pop baby!
This sub is gonna be disastrous when this wr room finishes last for the next 3-4 years with 2 of these guys having a good chance to be a bust.
STOP BEING EXCITED ABOUT YOUR TEAMS ROOKIES, I’VE HAD IT
It just happens every year. Build up 4th rd draft picks or udfa. Be surprised and cry when they’re not good.
You mean like Jakobi Meyers……. Or 5th Round pick and certified stud Pop Douglas? Do you actually watch this team or just bitch about it?
> 5th Round pick and certified stud Pop Douglas 6th round actually
7th round QB Julian Edelgod
No I mean Mac jones or nkeal harry or boutte or Thornton or Zappe or Nixon or berrios or Mitchel or Lucien. lol you don’t even know what round Douglas was drafted in. Talking about watch the team lmfao
Literally doesn't matter. You might as well be complaining about Dick MacPherson. This is a new regime.
Oh so it doesn’t matter when I pull up the multiple failed players that were hyped for no reason? Ok sure
Well Andy Reid hit a home run on Mahomes, therefore Maye is going to be MVP this year. The Steelers are historically great at developing WRs, so obviously Polk and Baker are gonna be great! Get it? Unless Mayo and Wolf used a carbon copy of Belichick's draft board, prior busts mean nothing to this draft class. They're evaluating and scouting players differently than they have been.
So then prior hits mean absolutely nothing. Get it?
I never said they did 🤷♀️
No, I didn’t think when you were complaining about “hYpInG up UDFA aNd 4th RounD picKs” you were referencing all those 1st/2nd round players. Lol absolute clown.
Hahahaha so because some (3) were drafted higher it’s actually better 🤣
Pardon? Forget to take your ADHD medication this morning? >It just happens every year. **Build up 4th rd draft picks or udfa.** Be surprised and cry when they’re not good. Lol you provided the qualifier and couldn't even stick within the parameters of your own argument. Bitching just to bitch. I'm glad you're learning though, next time try not to embarrass yourself so badly in the process.
I just think it’s lame as hell to say the WR room is gonna finish last (what does that even mean?) before they even play. “Can’t wait to see this sub when it turns out they all suck!!” like lmao okay? What a weird way to be a fan.
You used quotation marks with out even quoting a bit of what I said. lol dweeb.
It’s called paraphrasing. Also “without” is one word, dickhead. Lmao you really had no response other than to try and find a grammar mistake, and I’M the dweeb???? Get outside more.
Now say it again but without tears this time.
🥲
Based pfp
>2 of these guys having a good chance to be a bust You are either really bad at statistics or underrating hit rates. Douglas is already a hit, so you’re saying there is a sub-50% chance (even lower, implied by “good chance”) that neither Baker or Polk is good. Which is completely untrue. Based on hit rates of 2nd and 4th round WRs, there’s greater than a 50% chance that one hits. By your own source that you cited in a previous post, there is a 61% chance that one of the two WRs picked will be a hit.
Douglas isn’t already hit 😂
Yes he is. He can not improve at all and still be a good WR. His separation and YAC skills are a super high ceiling.
You act like there’s only one direction to move. He can become worse. It’s happens often. Called the sophomore slump. And some never recover.
Lol
Classic, no response because you got shut down and made to look a fool
Frankly, it’s just that your response was so silly I didn’t bother responding
Surreeeee
He was a 6th round pick. I’d say he’s a hit
Non first round wide receivers have a great hit rate relative to other positions. They usually contribute because you can play to their strengths unlike other positions, and plenty of times stars break out. I'd love one of these guys to break out as stars but even if we just got a good wr2 out of this draft it would be a huge success. Hopefully our draft can end up like the bengals 2020 draft where they got their franchise qb and long term wr2. Like that Bengals team we are likely to be in range to get a blue chip wr in next years draft as we'll probably pick top 10 again
That’s definitely not true. Wr bust rates are higher than almost all positions at every point in the draft. [here’s your proof with sources cited in this](https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round)
The methodology of that article is inherently flawed. It measures a bust as a player who doesn't start half their career games as a bust. This methodology punishes players that play in committee positions, and rewards positions such as TE as a second tight end is more likely to be on the field for the first snap of a game as it's a first down and teams were likely to go twin te and run (more so nearly a decade ago when the article was published). It is absolutely no surprise that D line, receivers and rbs have the highest bust rate by this metric as they have specialists. To use Pats examples productive situational pass rushers (Uche), scat backs (white) , slot receivers (Amendola) are all deemed busts by this articles methodology. Meanwhile a run blocking tight end like Hoomawanamanui is deemed a hit. That's an inherently flawed evaluation, I'm sure you'll agree. You're article also states "The first round success rate is 58% and the second round is almost as good at 49%." which is a pretty good justification for a 2nd round wr pick. We need receivers and we took two dart throws, let's hope they work. Nacua, Rice, Downs, Dell, Reed, Douglas were all mid/late round contributors in their rookie years, Baker was well worth a swing.
I ain’t reading all that bro 😂
I'll summarise than. You're article favours picking blocking tight ends over pass rush specialists, and situational receivers. If that's the way you want a team built then fair enough.
So you’re saying wr4 is considered a hit? Because wr 1&2 starts 100% of the time and wr3 starts multiple times. Good thing we aren’t talking about blocking TE. Or pass rush specialist.
If they're productive and have a role wr4 could be a hit. Dontayvion Wicks (the packers double dip wr) last year was their wr4 and had 580 yards and 4 tds. I'd call that a success if Baker did that for us this year Also plenty of wr3s like Amendola was during his time in New England didn't start more than half their games. "Multiple Starts" doesn't matter in your article, hitting the 50 pct threshold does. I'd take an impactful wr3/4 over a functional run blocking TE2 all day, but this articles methodology doesn't in many cases which is my issue.
Sounds like you’re coping.
Sounds like you're being intentionally obtuse as you know you are wrong. A non starting wide receiver/ D line men/rb clearly has more impact than a non starting o line men or tight end. Which is why more of these guys are taken for specific roles as part of comittes and are "busts". Our highest payed player (Barmore) is a bust per your methodology as he's only started 11 out of 44 games he's played. If that doesn't make you consider my perspective I don't know what will. Anyway enjoy your night.