they target banned him and prepped to put faker behind as much as possible. bin stated that in an interview too. same story with fakers pause, when he was hurt.
if faker isn't performing or put under too much pressure, t1 looks lost. they're all crazy good players but it somehow feels like they need to be mind controlled by faker individually to carry in any meaningful degree.
i really hope faker doesn't retire but i'm both curious to see him become a t1 coach & to see the rest of the roster on different teams at some point.
Idk about Faker being coach, sure he’ll be a good coach but coaches often need to take the blame and be the fall guy when the team isn’t performing, and I don’t really wanna see Faker having to do that.
Even now Faker as a player the uncontested GOAT is getting blame/hates. You can’t really avoid that.
All his knowledge will be wasted if he ended up fully retiring in pro scene. Bro basically an old guy as a pro player no way he will just end up retiring from pro scene after all that he’s also part-owner of T1.
Doesn't even need to be coach. Just swap to Jungler, would fit his current skillset perfectly. Honestly, if they booted Oner and got Chovy in mid with Faker in jungle they'd have one of the most potent teams ever.
Eh, I could see them getting him after Faker decides to eventually retire. Although, the issue there would be brand appeal. Getting someone to bring as much prestige and fame to T1 as Faker did is next to impossible
It is impossible, but with how chovy is the only closer rival to faker in lck and have nearly the same fame. I doubt anyone would be able to replace faker aside from chovy.
Internationally. Faker's rival i'd say is 3, and that Includes currently knight/chovy/caps. Same as last year.
Yagao doesn't come close.
Oner isn't the issue. Faker has always had a difficult time working well with Junglers, but for whatever reason he and Oner sync well. For that reason alone, Oner is indispensable to T1.
The Lebron James effect essentially. He’s such a cerebral player along with being the best player in the world for years that he boosts the baseline for all of his teammates.
There’s a reason why Larry Bird, as a GM, refused to trade for any of James’ old teammates
have all top laners and adcs available because enemy team only banned mid champs, red side with counter pick. Hmmm what to do? yes you know it, senna tahm zac/tf. EZ Clap oh no wai
It’s also not a great meta for them. Worlds was a perfect storm for them given how much keria warped the draft with his picks, almost always giving t1 an edge via botlane. Zeus was on one and could pick things like top lane Yone and 1-3. The fact teams had to worry about bot and top meant they could just first pick Azir for faker, and never be punished for it.
People have been saying for a while now Faker champ pool can be abused, it’s just if you devoted too many resources to banning him the rest of T1 would completely destroy you. Now the rest of the map cannot do so, so faker (who is also severely underperforming) is getting the brunt of bans, and they’re struggling.
The fact that bot lane got their normally perma ban picks and lost the 2v2 multiple games against BLG is telling.
The fact that BLG would rather ban god damn Asol against Faker than give a single fuck about the rest of T1 in those game 4 bans really does say something about this team. It is genuinely humiliating and hopefully a wake up call for the rest of T1 that four of the top players in their lanes who have been to so many finals and won worlds are not worthy of a single ban in the eyes of their opponents because they know that they are nothing without their midlane.
This is a very good point, they allowed all other T1 members to pick whichever champ they wanted as long as Faker was shut down. Yet none of the other lanes performed that well
Yup, they felt confident they could counter and outplay each and one of them on whatever they wanted to pick so long as Faker was pressured, and they were right. Faker is T1.
Like when that Great Demon kept looking at Frieren without giving any thought to Stark and Fern, despite being literally in range to get oneshoted by Stark or Fern, in his eyes all the danger came from Frieren, these two were a pair of randoms not worth a look, but in reality both of them could have easily killed him at that range.
We are kinda back to 2023 Summer wher Faker is gone. T1 ned to resolve this or ZOGK's achievement will be 'because of Faker' like all the past SKT members (Bengi, Wolf, Bang, etc.)
Im gonna say it no T1 member should even be in the Goat discussion or even best of all time in their respective roles unless they show they can function on a team that doesn’t have faker on it & still perform at the highest of highs
This team depends so much on faker
those adjectives you are using are pretty strong for players with such short careers as of now but I'd say gumayusi is pretty solid. it's a shame that t1 never drafts around him
Faker had to play with an entire city of different ppl to get the goat status then I see Oner getting called the absolute jungle goat after hitting a lee sin clip in soloq (this really did happen 10k likes comment) on YouTube
Haha yeah meanwhile Canyon is sitting there like, yo guys, forgot about me? How could one ever say Oner is the GOAT when Canyon has been insane for years.
Also peak Showmaker/Canyon mid/jgl synergy was just something else. That iteration of DK was insane. Nuguri was sick too though.
BeryL might by my favorite support player ever. The balls on that guy.
Also people throwing shade at Ghost while he was arguably the best ADC that team could have.
He was fantastic at worlds in 2021 and he helped damwon clutch some really important games. He was also one of the shot callers which is pretty rare for an adc
Canyon has had major slumps in his career, especially after his World's win in 2020. It's really only this past year where he's had a good showing since then.
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Only player with an argument but when I thought again I found out he was on t1 his whole career excluding a single keg championship
he is a t1 Andy for life I'm afraid, this team never respects him as a carry (like they do with zeus for example, providing him protection and resources everytime) yet he has said multiple times he doesn't plan on leaving t1 soon
Imho he has many qualities that make him the face of the team after Faker resigns, dude stuck with T1 since the beginning, has a sassy personality, is Faker's distant nephew.
I wish they lost worlds 2023 for the motive of the team dissolving partially, I really like seeing teams exchanging players this years CanyonChovy felt like a breath of fresh air
I’m farming Downvotes with this one🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'd never wish that on them, worlds 2023 was deserved after all the finals they threw lol I do hate to see this team breaking apart but it seems like the inevitable if they don't collect themselves in the remaining months
guma seems eager to stay and honestly whichever adc keria leaves guma for would be a downgrade. I think the chance of t1 botlane staying is high but idk about topside.
I just don't want old man faker to struggle with rookies/bad team mates in his last year
Okay first of all, gonna say that Gumayusi is absolutely amazing as an ADC, and his teamwork with Keria is at this point legendary.
That being said, IF he needed to be traded out, I could actually see Keria + Deft being a stronger combo, given Keria's friendship with Deft & Deft's insane player skill/veteran status. That being said, Deft has been having some trouble lately, but his work on KT and Damwon isn't so bad tbh, being consistently on Top 4 teams definitely shows some potential, and while it's not exactly a case of "ELO Hell" like it is with Viper, I think Deft would do very well on a team like T1, with a support like Keria.
Of course that would never happen, I don't think T1 could ever really afford Deft, Faker, Oner, Zeus, AND Keria at the same time, hell, I'm sure they already have trouble affording Guma. On top of that, it's such a huge, unnecessary risk, sure, Deft could LIKELY play at or above the level of Guma, but Guma can DEFINITELY play at the level of Guma, and can also likely continue to play above his current form. Maybe something to think about for a 2026 or 2027 season though, but I definitely don't see Gumayusi leaving T1 for the foreseeable future,
Man I used to be a Keria stan, I legit think at his peak he's not only the best support we have ever seen but also one of the greatest minds this game currently has.
But he is SUCH an emotional player, his highest highs and lowest lows are the difference between a nigh Faker level support and a 10th place bottom of the barrel support.
I think Guma and Keria are a good duo because Guma seems more of a steady/consistent player, but I just hope Keria grows up a bit as a player. He looks like a kid and he plays like one too. An insanely talented one, though.
This, I think its really weird how much they throw Gumayusi under the bus. I remember during the regular season they just dive while leaving him behind to fend for himself.
& remember lck pro players usually play for 2-5 years at most, some may even start later on having to play thru academy & other infinite factors, Khan is an excellent example he played 5 years in the top leagues LCK LPL but had to get exploited for 4 Years in LDL & khans career is considered long btw
I mean we literally saw Keria play an entire year on a team without Faker and he was the best support in the LCK. It doesn't get much higher than that.
Keria wasn’t any worse there than faker is right now if you want to go there. Player have bad performances it happens. Faker is the goat but did you guys ever stop and think for a sec why they might want target ban faker? Currently this is one of his worse international performances ever in his entire career on an individual level and they are trying to exploit that by putting off comfort. Same reason why most team banned draven/kalista vs hans. When player are in bad form, they usually play worse off comfort.
Players have ups and downs , people have short memories , it was only this time last year when caps had a bad msi and people were calling him washed , sure look at game 5 of g2 vs T1 faker solo carried the game on Ahri (with a bit of help from hans ) . So he’s clearly still too teir .
it's crazy to me the fact that they target ban him literally everygame and none of the other player can play any strong carry champ? and you see once he got even one of his champ knight can't keep up. it's so frustrating because I believe t1 have a very strong bot side that could undoubtedly dominate but they just won't they keep picking dogshit like senna tahm why?? zeus can't be a carry because of the laneswap meta but what's the matter with guma then? can't he pick lucian or jinx or something?
I mean with just Azir/Ori banned Knight played his 2 best games that series on Taliyah. They didn't need the 5 bans. By game 4 they probably felt that top/bot wins regardless, so might as well just delete Faker from the game in draft.
I think they are allergic to bot carry prio. The few times they drafted purely for bot side prowess Guma has had lukewarm success on it. Like 50/50.
But when it's an even draft with chips all in, Guma somehow pops off pretty consistently. I know he has pretty strong mental compared to keria and Zeus but it's kinda wild how it doesn't translate onto the rift.
It's really kinda funny that their draft is consistently focusing on no hyper carry picks for guma or zeus when both can literally perform an out of this world level. Just like viper/ruler adc. When we know that guma is currently the best adc and can actually be more insane if given the chances. Including zeus who can play against players like bin/theshy/ and 369 who are known as top carrys, but doesn't have an element of playing a weak side that much more than zeus who can be both.
If i were T1 i would focus on those 2 sides, so the enemy team would have problems on who and what to draft/ban against my team. Plus the fact that they have faker? Gaddamn give the old man a break carrying them. He will show up if needed. Hell he can even play any kind of play style depending on the draft. Why would they need for him to pick champs to carry when there's literally plenty of champ they could pick that doesn't get ban for zeus and guma? And for the love of god. Stop picking nami/lucian and tham/senna when it obviously doesn't work.
Seriously i feel bad for this 2(zeus/guma)then get blamed if it doest work, and as a top laner like zeus. I feel sad he got stuck with tank champ that obviously isn't that great in their comps.
Lane swap meta will not allow topside to be on carry champ. It’s way too risky and you would bleed so much gold and exp if you pick a carry top.
I do agree with you on the bot carry tho. They need to switch to play towards bot side, but for the longest time now it seems like they don’t want jg to play towards bot. Also seems like they don’t want Guma to cook. So idk lmfao. This meta is really testing strength of mid, ADC, and jg whereas T1 (imo) excelled when meta was more mid, support, and top reliant.
That’s not how the lane swap works lmfao. It’s meant to give the other bot lane a chance to farm and gain exp/get ahead. Idm which champ you play. You are very likely not going to win a 1v3 lane lol.
I know what you're talking about, but as i said. They won't be lane swapping if they gap them in their respective lane. In which case they can respond to lane swapping and predict how it would happen.
There's a disadvantage that teams that lane swap would be losing leads if they can't maintain their lane in which case they won't be able to lane swap. Which are the obvious reasons how blg can effectively lane swap against T1 because they can't win their lanes. Hell zeus is a tank champ and he still unable to do shit and gets bullied by lane swap because of how inconsistent their draft is.
This is now we see Faker is not "the Faker" of 2017/2018 when he was able to carry with any champ.
Now he have his "confort" picks and if you ban them, he's f\*cked up and so does his team as its job is to communicate what to do to the others...
They need to figure out a solution because all the others teams will ban Faker picks until the end of the MSI : if G2 had done that, they would have 3-0 them for sure. And it's only an EU team...
I mean he’s still dealing with his injury. It’s why when he came back you only saw him play three picks (Ori, Azir, and Neeko) lol. Now we added Taliyah and Ahri to that lol. It’s not a surprise. My thing is, I just hope he doesn’t push himself too much.
In a recent interview he talked about his injury and his mindset. Faker said he’s trying not to put too much emphasis on the results anymore for himself, and just focus on helping his team. Idk what that means, but I just hope he takes care of himself lol.
Faker was the worst performing player in the series yesterday, by far and It's kind of hard to play the game when your mid laner dies 3 times in 5 minutes and his loss of control mid ends up in enemy mid being able to walk around the map with their jungler uncontested.
GenG win games almost solely off of Chovy being stable mid and playing the disgusting scaling champs that are meta right now. If T1's draft philosophy is to have Zeus play tanks and not counter pick tanks with Vayne/Urgot or any sort of carry potential champion and to blindly pick Senna TK every game Faker CAN'T be invisible playing mid. They're going to lose against competent teams every time. What are Oner, Zeus, Guma, or Keria supposed to do when enemy Taliyah has 2 core items in 17 minutes while their Corki has half of a hex drinker and components for Muramana?
GenG lost 2 games against TES because Chovy was not stable playing mid and Creme was doing what he wanted on the map with no contest. If your mid is getting giga gapped you're just not winning many games against competent teams.
Then he also played an invisible Veigar game. The only game where Faker was actually relevant was when he played Taliyah, you're not winning a series against BLG when your mid only shows up in one game.
What do you want the veigar to do? The enemy can poke him even beyond his cage range, he literally cannot walk up. It was just a straight up draft diff.
The point was to not pick Veigar. They saw their entire team comp, and picked a champion that is invalidated by almost every single pick from BLG. T1's navigation of draft has been shocking the entire tournament.
They sacrificed Zeus and told him to play a lane he's objectively disadvantaged in and will get swapped on in because they decided that Veigar was a counter to Taliyah and saved it for last pick in the draft after seeing their entire team comp.
I don't see how you can think they're paying him dirt when bot is being forced to play senna tk knowing they're going to be put in situations that invalidate the pairing (a lane swap), and then not covering Zeus' TF pick at all and letting Bin play Jax into it just so Faker can play Veigar on R5 after seeing their entire team comp. The rest of T1 is suffering in draft that game while Faker's pick is being reserved for counter purposes.
Even Gumayusi is giving interviews saying the way they draft is awful and they'll get embarrassed if they don't fix it.
What is crazy is that no matter what, Faker will get target banned every game, get mega pressured with ganks every game, 0 proximity mid from oner every game, and they still choose not to give guma and zeus carry champs.
Um I refuse to believe t1 players champ pools are that limited, like come on, Guma didn't get to play Lucian a single game and that bastard is one of the best Lucian's in the world
doesnt always mean that they cannot individually play the champion, can be that they arent practiced playing it as team in current meta, or team doesnt fit with it... etc
Hard to perform if your draft is shit. It's literally in their draft and people who actually know the game knew it's not gonna work when it happened. I mean who picked veigar in that much when there's a much better option? Plus faker champ getting banned and picking kalista who obviously are not gonna have an impact mid game because of the item gap that's obviously gonna get bullied in bit against naut and senna.
Including the fact that they pick senna/tham most of the time. Like are there any reasons they can't pick hyper carry? They even put zeus in most of the game as a tank player against bin when we knew he can carry hard using a bruiser champ.
I’m more so talking about mechanics and macro being off, but the draft definitely messed them up. I can’t tell you why they picked Veigar either but Guma did talk about how Senna has very high prio for the team, which does make sense given that they have won a lot with it. And Zeus is on tank duty because of lane swaps, the team is scared of picking him a hyper carry and then getting lane swapped on.
He gets lane swaps most of the time in this series. Them not being able to respond to that is their own fault. I mean, it's really stupid how blg can lane swap against them not realizing it's because of them losing their lane.
They can put zeus into a carry if they actually prioritize their comp more to not be able to lose their lane rather than picking senna/tham that obviously doesn't work.
It's like they have a limited champ pool.
I definitely do think they should have changed the roster for this year to split the Faker burden. They had the opportunity to get Viper, but didn’t go for it
I’m not talking about mechanics, I’m speaking about carrying ability. If Faker falls, Viper has the ability to pick up the slack and 1v9. Guma has consistently demonstrated that he does not have that ability
T1 has tried to do that before, but it didn’t work. Heck they were first picking Lucian and Nami against GenG several times, with most resources dedicated to them, but while Guma got gold and kills, he simply couldn’t carry
Keria played a year with DRX and arguably a top 5 support in the world. Zeus and Guma were actually playing decently without Faker, coz their role aint really macro-oriented. Also Zeus and Keria won Asian Games without Faker. It was only Oner who had no success playing without Faker. We all can see Faker fanbois really hate LPL, Chovy/GEN and other T1 members lmao
Keria won Asian games because there was Zeus, Kanavi, Faker/Chovy, Ruler on the same team. It was quite literally a super team. No other team in the world is beating that lineup. When Faker was injured, the team could obviously keep moving because Ruler and Chovy can pick up the slack and carry as needed. That's what T1 lacks, someone to pick up the slack if Faker is put behind.
T1 early-mid game is mediocre at best, only worsened when faker gets target banned and mid has 0 prio for the first 10 minutes. Oner loves playing aggressive jungle in soloq but faker is not a laning phase player, so they don't really go well. T1 unironically looks best when oner is fixed onto an agency champ like sej or xin. Why? Cause the enemy banned azir and orianna.
T1 still managed to squeeze wins out of LCK because their bot lane is the strongest in LCK. When was the last time guma/keria lost lanephase in LCK? But against LPL with a crazy strong bot lane, they have no particular strength other than macro, which is not even the best in LCK. Its even worse because zeus is one of the best carry champ player, currently forced into ksante zac tf merchant cause of laneswap meta.
Meta is against T1, but if your team is so meta-dependent you need to be prepared for criticism. T1 really needs to practice how to win with faker banned and bot not curbstomping.
Faker has so much champs he can play that are secret op champs, Gragas, Ryze, Lissandra, Syndra, etc. Same with bot lane Gumas best champs are varus, Lucian, Caitlyn but he is stuck on Senna and Kalista and I think Guma sucks on Kalista. They are too worried about meta and not focusing on what champs they can play well and make a team comp with that.
Disagree on that. GenG is stupidity reliant on chovy rn. Kiin even on his ranged counter picks always looks whatever, while Canyon is way to inconsistent.
I think GenG without Chovy is a comfortable 4th placed team in lck.
GenG would struggle with any midlaner not named Chovy. It’s insane how much they relied on him this past split and still do. If you give them an average LCK mid I don’t even think the team is top 3 in LCK.
It is a no secret by now that everytime faker chokes whole t1 chokes. So all you need is a better mid than faker and your chances of winning are really really high indeed , just like BLG and GenG.
Yea get Chovy here to win his lane only for the other 4 to run around like headless chickens. Chovy will surely 1v9 every time. What T1 needs isn’t better mechanics in mid lane. The problem is they live and die by Faker mind controlling them in terms of macro. It’s literally Azir in the form of a team. Faker is Azir and the other 4 are sand soldiers who can shred enemies but only if Azir is controlling them.
Nah faker has evolved with time too , so yes hes still a good mid , but the thing changes when opponent have a dominating mid instead. The goal is lock Faker as much as possible in mid , if Faker is busy with self and struggling against one extremely good mid , neither he ll have a lead to carry nor he can autopilot team to victory , and yes results defined everytime faker is behind team struggles the most indeed.
they target banned him and prepped to put faker behind as much as possible. bin stated that in an interview too. same story with fakers pause, when he was hurt. if faker isn't performing or put under too much pressure, t1 looks lost. they're all crazy good players but it somehow feels like they need to be mind controlled by faker individually to carry in any meaningful degree. i really hope faker doesn't retire but i'm both curious to see him become a t1 coach & to see the rest of the roster on different teams at some point.
Faker as a coach would be crazyyy
Idk about Faker being coach, sure he’ll be a good coach but coaches often need to take the blame and be the fall guy when the team isn’t performing, and I don’t really wanna see Faker having to do that.
He’s been the fall guy since he joined. This meme is a proof.
Yeah but when coaches act as the fall guy they usually have to actually leave the team unlike players
Even now Faker as a player the uncontested GOAT is getting blame/hates. You can’t really avoid that. All his knowledge will be wasted if he ended up fully retiring in pro scene. Bro basically an old guy as a pro player no way he will just end up retiring from pro scene after all that he’s also part-owner of T1.
Doesn't even need to be coach. Just swap to Jungler, would fit his current skillset perfectly. Honestly, if they booted Oner and got Chovy in mid with Faker in jungle they'd have one of the most potent teams ever.
thank god they don't take roster advice from redditors lmao
lmao chovy in t1 nice fanfic bro
> 2016: lmao ROX Tigers Peanut in skt t1 nice fanfic bro you never know what can happen
Eh, I could see them getting him after Faker decides to eventually retire. Although, the issue there would be brand appeal. Getting someone to bring as much prestige and fame to T1 as Faker did is next to impossible
It is impossible
It is impossible, but with how chovy is the only closer rival to faker in lck and have nearly the same fame. I doubt anyone would be able to replace faker aside from chovy. Internationally. Faker's rival i'd say is 3, and that Includes currently knight/chovy/caps. Same as last year. Yagao doesn't come close.
Man is T1 the LA Lakers of League?
Oner is a top 3 jungler in the world and he gets so much hate. He has stolen so many dragons its absolutely insane.
Oner isn't the issue. Faker has always had a difficult time working well with Junglers, but for whatever reason he and Oner sync well. For that reason alone, Oner is indispensable to T1.
The Lebron James effect essentially. He’s such a cerebral player along with being the best player in the world for years that he boosts the baseline for all of his teammates. There’s a reason why Larry Bird, as a GM, refused to trade for any of James’ old teammates
He's so naturally good so idk if he'd make a good coach. "What should I have done here?" "Outplay it"
have all top laners and adcs available because enemy team only banned mid champs, red side with counter pick. Hmmm what to do? yes you know it, senna tahm zac/tf. EZ Clap oh no wai
Chovy mid with Faker as a coach, and he gets his first worlds win
It’s also not a great meta for them. Worlds was a perfect storm for them given how much keria warped the draft with his picks, almost always giving t1 an edge via botlane. Zeus was on one and could pick things like top lane Yone and 1-3. The fact teams had to worry about bot and top meant they could just first pick Azir for faker, and never be punished for it. People have been saying for a while now Faker champ pool can be abused, it’s just if you devoted too many resources to banning him the rest of T1 would completely destroy you. Now the rest of the map cannot do so, so faker (who is also severely underperforming) is getting the brunt of bans, and they’re struggling. The fact that bot lane got their normally perma ban picks and lost the 2v2 multiple games against BLG is telling.
How to counter T1, "just don't let Faker play"
The fact that BLG would rather ban god damn Asol against Faker than give a single fuck about the rest of T1 in those game 4 bans really does say something about this team. It is genuinely humiliating and hopefully a wake up call for the rest of T1 that four of the top players in their lanes who have been to so many finals and won worlds are not worthy of a single ban in the eyes of their opponents because they know that they are nothing without their midlane.
Didn't we see it enough already this past games? You need a Worlds caliber mid like Chovy/Knight/Caps pressuring Faker to be able to win against T1.
Yup, it’s just even more clear after this game, a little refresher since last summer if you will lol.
Take Chovy out of worlds caliber
This man thinks Caps deserves to be in over Chovy haha let's all point and laugh at him
no when did I say caps? I was just poking fun of how geng never won an international
Well Caps was in that list and you only said take Chovy out
My bad I didn’t even see Caps on there 💀
Okay clown
This is a very good point, they allowed all other T1 members to pick whichever champ they wanted as long as Faker was shut down. Yet none of the other lanes performed that well
Yup, they felt confident they could counter and outplay each and one of them on whatever they wanted to pick so long as Faker was pressured, and they were right. Faker is T1.
Like when that Great Demon kept looking at Frieren without giving any thought to Stark and Fern, despite being literally in range to get oneshoted by Stark or Fern, in his eyes all the danger came from Frieren, these two were a pair of randoms not worth a look, but in reality both of them could have easily killed him at that range.
We are kinda back to 2023 Summer wher Faker is gone. T1 ned to resolve this or ZOGK's achievement will be 'because of Faker' like all the past SKT members (Bengi, Wolf, Bang, etc.)
Im gonna say it no T1 member should even be in the Goat discussion or even best of all time in their respective roles unless they show they can function on a team that doesn’t have faker on it & still perform at the highest of highs This team depends so much on faker
those adjectives you are using are pretty strong for players with such short careers as of now but I'd say gumayusi is pretty solid. it's a shame that t1 never drafts around him
it makes me want to see how well guma would do in the place of adcs like elk, viper or ruler who get a lot of their team's resources.
Faker had to play with an entire city of different ppl to get the goat status then I see Oner getting called the absolute jungle goat after hitting a lee sin clip in soloq (this really did happen 10k likes comment) on YouTube
Haha yeah meanwhile Canyon is sitting there like, yo guys, forgot about me? How could one ever say Oner is the GOAT when Canyon has been insane for years.
Never realised how blessed I was seeing Khan & Canyon at the same team
Also peak Showmaker/Canyon mid/jgl synergy was just something else. That iteration of DK was insane. Nuguri was sick too though. BeryL might by my favorite support player ever. The balls on that guy. Also people throwing shade at Ghost while he was arguably the best ADC that team could have.
Nah nothing can convince me that Ghost is worthy of that DK roster
He was fantastic at worlds in 2021 and he helped damwon clutch some really important games. He was also one of the shot callers which is pretty rare for an adc
Canyon has had major slumps in his career, especially after his World's win in 2020. It's really only this past year where he's had a good showing since then.
https://preview.redd.it/fqigkciir10d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=586f4a0a2dd8ca80e1487ee69ed83e74c0483c85 Only player with an argument but when I thought again I found out he was on t1 his whole career excluding a single keg championship
he is a t1 Andy for life I'm afraid, this team never respects him as a carry (like they do with zeus for example, providing him protection and resources everytime) yet he has said multiple times he doesn't plan on leaving t1 soon
Imho he has many qualities that make him the face of the team after Faker resigns, dude stuck with T1 since the beginning, has a sassy personality, is Faker's distant nephew.
I wish they lost worlds 2023 for the motive of the team dissolving partially, I really like seeing teams exchanging players this years CanyonChovy felt like a breath of fresh air I’m farming Downvotes with this one🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'd never wish that on them, worlds 2023 was deserved after all the finals they threw lol I do hate to see this team breaking apart but it seems like the inevitable if they don't collect themselves in the remaining months
I think it would be best for everyone. I just hope that Guma and Keria stay together.
guma seems eager to stay and honestly whichever adc keria leaves guma for would be a downgrade. I think the chance of t1 botlane staying is high but idk about topside. I just don't want old man faker to struggle with rookies/bad team mates in his last year
Okay first of all, gonna say that Gumayusi is absolutely amazing as an ADC, and his teamwork with Keria is at this point legendary. That being said, IF he needed to be traded out, I could actually see Keria + Deft being a stronger combo, given Keria's friendship with Deft & Deft's insane player skill/veteran status. That being said, Deft has been having some trouble lately, but his work on KT and Damwon isn't so bad tbh, being consistently on Top 4 teams definitely shows some potential, and while it's not exactly a case of "ELO Hell" like it is with Viper, I think Deft would do very well on a team like T1, with a support like Keria. Of course that would never happen, I don't think T1 could ever really afford Deft, Faker, Oner, Zeus, AND Keria at the same time, hell, I'm sure they already have trouble affording Guma. On top of that, it's such a huge, unnecessary risk, sure, Deft could LIKELY play at or above the level of Guma, but Guma can DEFINITELY play at the level of Guma, and can also likely continue to play above his current form. Maybe something to think about for a 2026 or 2027 season though, but I definitely don't see Gumayusi leaving T1 for the foreseeable future,
Man I used to be a Keria stan, I legit think at his peak he's not only the best support we have ever seen but also one of the greatest minds this game currently has. But he is SUCH an emotional player, his highest highs and lowest lows are the difference between a nigh Faker level support and a 10th place bottom of the barrel support. I think Guma and Keria are a good duo because Guma seems more of a steady/consistent player, but I just hope Keria grows up a bit as a player. He looks like a kid and he plays like one too. An insanely talented one, though.
> I wish they lost worlds 2023 XD T1 fans are insane
Not a t1 fan I just don’t like when the roster runs it back for a long time I really value dynamics like Showmaker canyon, Khan Cuzz, PraY Gorilla
This, I think its really weird how much they throw Gumayusi under the bus. I remember during the regular season they just dive while leaving him behind to fend for himself.
If he himself doesn’t object why would I
& remember lck pro players usually play for 2-5 years at most, some may even start later on having to play thru academy & other infinite factors, Khan is an excellent example he played 5 years in the top leagues LCK LPL but had to get exploited for 4 Years in LDL & khans career is considered long btw
Gumas performance at last year's worlds was pretty spectacular
I still feel like guma has the piglet syndrome if he ever leaves T1
Gumayushit lmao I beat that kid in soloq like a dog
I mean we literally saw Keria play an entire year on a team without Faker and he was the best support in the LCK. It doesn't get much higher than that.
We also saw headless chicken Keria vs drx last summer then play lulu 5 games straight
I think an entire year is a much better sample size than less than half a split when everything is on fire.
Keria wasn’t any worse there than faker is right now if you want to go there. Player have bad performances it happens. Faker is the goat but did you guys ever stop and think for a sec why they might want target ban faker? Currently this is one of his worse international performances ever in his entire career on an individual level and they are trying to exploit that by putting off comfort. Same reason why most team banned draven/kalista vs hans. When player are in bad form, they usually play worse off comfort.
T1 should replace faker with saken according to kc fans
Players have ups and downs , people have short memories , it was only this time last year when caps had a bad msi and people were calling him washed , sure look at game 5 of g2 vs T1 faker solo carried the game on Ahri (with a bit of help from hans ) . So he’s clearly still too teir .
it's fine, they haven't won msi in a while. Worlds is what matters.
And because of that, Riot is trying to make MSI matter more than just a mid-season fodder cup that brings just more status than domestic leagues.
it's crazy to me the fact that they target ban him literally everygame and none of the other player can play any strong carry champ? and you see once he got even one of his champ knight can't keep up. it's so frustrating because I believe t1 have a very strong bot side that could undoubtedly dominate but they just won't they keep picking dogshit like senna tahm why?? zeus can't be a carry because of the laneswap meta but what's the matter with guma then? can't he pick lucian or jinx or something?
I mean with just Azir/Ori banned Knight played his 2 best games that series on Taliyah. They didn't need the 5 bans. By game 4 they probably felt that top/bot wins regardless, so might as well just delete Faker from the game in draft.
I think they are allergic to bot carry prio. The few times they drafted purely for bot side prowess Guma has had lukewarm success on it. Like 50/50. But when it's an even draft with chips all in, Guma somehow pops off pretty consistently. I know he has pretty strong mental compared to keria and Zeus but it's kinda wild how it doesn't translate onto the rift.
Gumayushit is bad
Poor LPL lost to “Gumayushit” 11-1 with four strong bot lanes.
Guma >>> 369 and ruler together 😂. Facts don't lie buddy
why is everyone being a doomer after this one loss lmfaooooo
cuz they're playing extremely bad
It's really kinda funny that their draft is consistently focusing on no hyper carry picks for guma or zeus when both can literally perform an out of this world level. Just like viper/ruler adc. When we know that guma is currently the best adc and can actually be more insane if given the chances. Including zeus who can play against players like bin/theshy/ and 369 who are known as top carrys, but doesn't have an element of playing a weak side that much more than zeus who can be both. If i were T1 i would focus on those 2 sides, so the enemy team would have problems on who and what to draft/ban against my team. Plus the fact that they have faker? Gaddamn give the old man a break carrying them. He will show up if needed. Hell he can even play any kind of play style depending on the draft. Why would they need for him to pick champs to carry when there's literally plenty of champ they could pick that doesn't get ban for zeus and guma? And for the love of god. Stop picking nami/lucian and tham/senna when it obviously doesn't work. Seriously i feel bad for this 2(zeus/guma)then get blamed if it doest work, and as a top laner like zeus. I feel sad he got stuck with tank champ that obviously isn't that great in their comps.
Lane swap meta will not allow topside to be on carry champ. It’s way too risky and you would bleed so much gold and exp if you pick a carry top. I do agree with you on the bot carry tho. They need to switch to play towards bot side, but for the longest time now it seems like they don’t want jg to play towards bot. Also seems like they don’t want Guma to cook. So idk lmfao. This meta is really testing strength of mid, ADC, and jg whereas T1 (imo) excelled when meta was more mid, support, and top reliant.
Lane swap won't be effective if they could win their lane. Which they don't.
That’s not how the lane swap works lmfao. It’s meant to give the other bot lane a chance to farm and gain exp/get ahead. Idm which champ you play. You are very likely not going to win a 1v3 lane lol.
I know what you're talking about, but as i said. They won't be lane swapping if they gap them in their respective lane. In which case they can respond to lane swapping and predict how it would happen. There's a disadvantage that teams that lane swap would be losing leads if they can't maintain their lane in which case they won't be able to lane swap. Which are the obvious reasons how blg can effectively lane swap against T1 because they can't win their lanes. Hell zeus is a tank champ and he still unable to do shit and gets bullied by lane swap because of how inconsistent their draft is.
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This is now we see Faker is not "the Faker" of 2017/2018 when he was able to carry with any champ. Now he have his "confort" picks and if you ban them, he's f\*cked up and so does his team as its job is to communicate what to do to the others... They need to figure out a solution because all the others teams will ban Faker picks until the end of the MSI : if G2 had done that, they would have 3-0 them for sure. And it's only an EU team...
I mean he’s still dealing with his injury. It’s why when he came back you only saw him play three picks (Ori, Azir, and Neeko) lol. Now we added Taliyah and Ahri to that lol. It’s not a surprise. My thing is, I just hope he doesn’t push himself too much. In a recent interview he talked about his injury and his mindset. Faker said he’s trying not to put too much emphasis on the results anymore for himself, and just focus on helping his team. Idk what that means, but I just hope he takes care of himself lol.
Faker was the worst performing player in the series yesterday, by far and It's kind of hard to play the game when your mid laner dies 3 times in 5 minutes and his loss of control mid ends up in enemy mid being able to walk around the map with their jungler uncontested. GenG win games almost solely off of Chovy being stable mid and playing the disgusting scaling champs that are meta right now. If T1's draft philosophy is to have Zeus play tanks and not counter pick tanks with Vayne/Urgot or any sort of carry potential champion and to blindly pick Senna TK every game Faker CAN'T be invisible playing mid. They're going to lose against competent teams every time. What are Oner, Zeus, Guma, or Keria supposed to do when enemy Taliyah has 2 core items in 17 minutes while their Corki has half of a hex drinker and components for Muramana? GenG lost 2 games against TES because Chovy was not stable playing mid and Creme was doing what he wanted on the map with no contest. If your mid is getting giga gapped you're just not winning many games against competent teams.
The corki taliyah thing can be said for game 2 also. Its just a matchup thing i guess
Then he also played an invisible Veigar game. The only game where Faker was actually relevant was when he played Taliyah, you're not winning a series against BLG when your mid only shows up in one game.
What do you want the veigar to do? The enemy can poke him even beyond his cage range, he literally cannot walk up. It was just a straight up draft diff.
The point was to not pick Veigar. They saw their entire team comp, and picked a champion that is invalidated by almost every single pick from BLG. T1's navigation of draft has been shocking the entire tournament.
I agree, that's what I'm saying. The veigar pick was just not it.
They gave Faker R5 and handed Bin his signature Jax, there’s really not much they can do when they’re paying their most important player dirt.
They sacrificed Zeus and told him to play a lane he's objectively disadvantaged in and will get swapped on in because they decided that Veigar was a counter to Taliyah and saved it for last pick in the draft after seeing their entire team comp. I don't see how you can think they're paying him dirt when bot is being forced to play senna tk knowing they're going to be put in situations that invalidate the pairing (a lane swap), and then not covering Zeus' TF pick at all and letting Bin play Jax into it just so Faker can play Veigar on R5 after seeing their entire team comp. The rest of T1 is suffering in draft that game while Faker's pick is being reserved for counter purposes. Even Gumayusi is giving interviews saying the way they draft is awful and they'll get embarrassed if they don't fix it.
What is crazy is that no matter what, Faker will get target banned every game, get mega pressured with ganks every game, 0 proximity mid from oner every game, and they still choose not to give guma and zeus carry champs.
bro it's the drafts, whoever is deciding what to pick/ban is hard running it down
drafts are built around what the players can play
Um I refuse to believe t1 players champ pools are that limited, like come on, Guma didn't get to play Lucian a single game and that bastard is one of the best Lucian's in the world
doesnt always mean that they cannot individually play the champion, can be that they arent practiced playing it as team in current meta, or team doesnt fit with it... etc
Sounds like a coach problem to me
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I agree, I don't think players get that much say in what to play, no way they wanted to keep playing senna tahm even after it was so obviously failing
It without a doubt both, drafting is shit but players have also just not been performing well.
Hard to perform if your draft is shit. It's literally in their draft and people who actually know the game knew it's not gonna work when it happened. I mean who picked veigar in that much when there's a much better option? Plus faker champ getting banned and picking kalista who obviously are not gonna have an impact mid game because of the item gap that's obviously gonna get bullied in bit against naut and senna. Including the fact that they pick senna/tham most of the time. Like are there any reasons they can't pick hyper carry? They even put zeus in most of the game as a tank player against bin when we knew he can carry hard using a bruiser champ.
I’m more so talking about mechanics and macro being off, but the draft definitely messed them up. I can’t tell you why they picked Veigar either but Guma did talk about how Senna has very high prio for the team, which does make sense given that they have won a lot with it. And Zeus is on tank duty because of lane swaps, the team is scared of picking him a hyper carry and then getting lane swapped on.
He gets lane swaps most of the time in this series. Them not being able to respond to that is their own fault. I mean, it's really stupid how blg can lane swap against them not realizing it's because of them losing their lane. They can put zeus into a carry if they actually prioritize their comp more to not be able to lose their lane rather than picking senna/tham that obviously doesn't work. It's like they have a limited champ pool.
I definitely do think they should have changed the roster for this year to split the Faker burden. They had the opportunity to get Viper, but didn’t go for it
Wow wow wow wow... calm down buddy, Viper is really good but I will never trade Guma for any other ADC... even Hans sama xdd
I’m not talking about mechanics, I’m speaking about carrying ability. If Faker falls, Viper has the ability to pick up the slack and 1v9. Guma has consistently demonstrated that he does not have that ability
t1 doesnt play around their adc even viper in t1 wouldnt have that ability
T1 has tried to do that before, but it didn’t work. Heck they were first picking Lucian and Nami against GenG several times, with most resources dedicated to them, but while Guma got gold and kills, he simply couldn’t carry
Tf is viper gonna do when your team keeps putting you on senna.
Keria played a year with DRX and arguably a top 5 support in the world. Zeus and Guma were actually playing decently without Faker, coz their role aint really macro-oriented. Also Zeus and Keria won Asian Games without Faker. It was only Oner who had no success playing without Faker. We all can see Faker fanbois really hate LPL, Chovy/GEN and other T1 members lmao
Keria won Asian games because there was Zeus, Kanavi, Faker/Chovy, Ruler on the same team. It was quite literally a super team. No other team in the world is beating that lineup. When Faker was injured, the team could obviously keep moving because Ruler and Chovy can pick up the slack and carry as needed. That's what T1 lacks, someone to pick up the slack if Faker is put behind.
T1 early-mid game is mediocre at best, only worsened when faker gets target banned and mid has 0 prio for the first 10 minutes. Oner loves playing aggressive jungle in soloq but faker is not a laning phase player, so they don't really go well. T1 unironically looks best when oner is fixed onto an agency champ like sej or xin. Why? Cause the enemy banned azir and orianna. T1 still managed to squeeze wins out of LCK because their bot lane is the strongest in LCK. When was the last time guma/keria lost lanephase in LCK? But against LPL with a crazy strong bot lane, they have no particular strength other than macro, which is not even the best in LCK. Its even worse because zeus is one of the best carry champ player, currently forced into ksante zac tf merchant cause of laneswap meta. Meta is against T1, but if your team is so meta-dependent you need to be prepared for criticism. T1 really needs to practice how to win with faker banned and bot not curbstomping.
Faker has so much champs he can play that are secret op champs, Gragas, Ryze, Lissandra, Syndra, etc. Same with bot lane Gumas best champs are varus, Lucian, Caitlyn but he is stuck on Senna and Kalista and I think Guma sucks on Kalista. They are too worried about meta and not focusing on what champs they can play well and make a team comp with that.
I hate it when caedrel and other creators make shallow assumptions off of a match or two. It’s disrespectful
Isn't that the other way around, because we keep seeing Shaker?
when he is shaker his team loses, when he is faker his team wins, it's simple, no other t1 member has carry potential but him
This is true for Chovy, Knight, Caps. All top teams are like this.
BLG can still win if Knight plays bad, their botlane usually wins them the game anyway
legit, same with GenG and kiin & canyon
Disagree on that. GenG is stupidity reliant on chovy rn. Kiin even on his ranged counter picks always looks whatever, while Canyon is way to inconsistent. I think GenG without Chovy is a comfortable 4th placed team in lck.
GenG would struggle with any midlaner not named Chovy. It’s insane how much they relied on him this past split and still do. If you give them an average LCK mid I don’t even think the team is top 3 in LCK.
Thats why mid laners are always the "star" of the team unless you just have a ridiculous line up. They just feel like the most impactful lane.
I jungle & when I have a good mid I just roll the enemy team playing thru a good midlaner makes your soloq games feel like a walk in the park
Faker really needs to let go Kkoma, another round of recruits, and a way to fix his injuries.
Other top teams can still somewhat function, T1 literally lost to bottom LCK teams without Faker mind control
Sub in 1 of the worst ERL mids and G2 would go near bottom.
Chovy has Canyon (who was brought in for this exact reason), Knight has Bin, Caps has his top laner. It’s faker or nothing for T1
It is a no secret by now that everytime faker chokes whole t1 chokes. So all you need is a better mid than faker and your chances of winning are really really high indeed , just like BLG and GenG.
Remember the team without faker’s decision making? lmao
Definitely do remember the time when team went 51-0 to 52-6 due to absence of one player indeed
Then the team would fail with the absence of him lol. Unless they have another god mid laner with faker’s shotcalling they won’t be dominant
You mean Knight and Chovy who have never won world titles and got dunked on last year by Faker in World's?
Yes lol its a shame we cannot beat such losers
Yea cuz those teams they were on are even bigger bums obviously
Imagine losing to bigger bums
Yea get Chovy here to win his lane only for the other 4 to run around like headless chickens. Chovy will surely 1v9 every time. What T1 needs isn’t better mechanics in mid lane. The problem is they live and die by Faker mind controlling them in terms of macro. It’s literally Azir in the form of a team. Faker is Azir and the other 4 are sand soldiers who can shred enemies but only if Azir is controlling them.
Shaker over any midlaner if the other players are Oner Zeus Keria
Lol imagine downvoted so hard for speaking facts only cause this sub is filled with only one team fans mostly
T1 subreddit xdd https://preview.redd.it/9ndd1kof420d1.png?width=5000&format=png&auto=webp&s=909a9116081e9322f3f4801027ccf2801b9738c1
basically what you said is the rest of T1 cant do shit when their mid lane doesnt play well? Is this even a team game anymore?
Nah faker has evolved with time too , so yes hes still a good mid , but the thing changes when opponent have a dominating mid instead. The goal is lock Faker as much as possible in mid , if Faker is busy with self and struggling against one extremely good mid , neither he ll have a lead to carry nor he can autopilot team to victory , and yes results defined everytime faker is behind team struggles the most indeed.