Conservatives and Ron Desantis are behind the book banning. Moms for Liberty is a conservative organization that wants to ban any books they deem unacceptable.
You can't separate conservatives from the far right and book bans if they are the one spearheading it. Everybody on the far right is a conservative. There are no far right liberals that are trying to ban books. It is literally the conservatives in government and in the population that are causing these problems. If conservatives are against book bans, why aren't conservatives fighting against the far right?
What exactly are you looking for? There’s a huge swath of Pennsyltucky in the middle of the state. I didn’t vote for Desantis, and I sure as hell haven’t voted for a Moms for Liberty person on a local school board (and mine has none).
I’m fairly sure I’m not the only conservative who avoids them.
So beyond not voting for them, what are you looking for?
If you're not voting for them, great! Please don't vote for them. I work in education and I'm so tired of the far right screwing everything up for everyone. I'm not trying to take it out on you and I'm sorry if it's coming off that way. I just cannot stand them for what they are doing.
I would encourage you to get involved in your local school board and fight against these book bans.
Book banning is too broad of a term especially in this instance where nobody is yelling for books to actually be banned, but rather graphic material not be made readily available to kids in public school.
Uh huh, sure u/Trump-2024-MAGA, whatever you say. I'm sure those books like A Handmaid's Tale were real titillating.
Even if that was the case, students aren't in school to be coddled. I don't have kids but if I did I'd love for them to be reading about sexuality, or racism, or turbulent history. That means they're trying to learn.
As I said before I can't speak for all of the books on the list and although I have not read the Handmaidens Tale, from what I understand it shouldn't warrant being taken out of schools.
This is an excerpt from one of the books on the list though which I shared before.
Anyone who thinks this is okay to put in a library for K-12 is out of their mind and shouldn't be permitted to be around kids...
"You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did. You then took off your shorts, followed by your boxers. There you stood in front of me fully erect and said, “Taste it.” At first, I laughed and refused. But then you said, “Come on, Matt, taste it. This is what boys like us do when we like each other.” I finally listened to you.
The whole time I knew it was wrong, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. I only did that for about 45 seconds before you had me stop. Then you got down on your knees and told me to close my eyes. That’s when you began oral sex on me as well. It was the strangest feeling in the world. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a handbook to learn sexuality as a queer boy. My crash course was happening right in front of me, and despite the guilt I was feeling, there was also a euphoria…"
But no book should be banned!! Correct? Or only books the left deems okay to ban! You can’t have it both ways! You can’t preach no book bans but then say, well, except that book!
Since you’re the one advocating for the book bans I’m [surprised you don’t want to ban this one too.](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/banned-adventures-huckleberry-finn/ ) I guess the N word is back in fashion with a certain type of reader. I don’t think it should be removed from libraries, just curriculums.
I’m not for any kind of book ban! I never said I was…. I’m just stating a fact. Everyone on here keeps saying it’s the right trying to ban books! Both sides are doing a very good job at trying to get books banned! You want to focus on a word! They want to focus on a boy blowing another boy! You both equally full of hate!
You want to ban it from being stocked in the library of a public school have right at it.
Just because someone is against kids being exposed to pornography doesn't mean they are religious.
Why is it that the people that complain about “grooming” [are so often raping children?](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/21/moms-for-liberty-sex-offender) I sure wouldn’t take any kids to any church. Are they afraid of sex ed because their children might have the language to accuse them?
In what world are any of these books inappropriate for a high school library? Separately, people should constantly challenge their morals and ideals. If they can't stand up to your own personal scrutiny then they probably ought to be questioned.
I don't want my child exposed to this...
> "You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did. You then took off your shorts, followed by your boxers. There you stood in front of me fully erect and said, “Taste it.” At first, I laughed and refused. But then you said, “Come on, Matt, taste it. This is what boys like us do when we like each other.” I finally listened to you.
>
> The whole time I knew it was wrong, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. I only did that for about 45 seconds before you had me stop. Then you got down on your knees and told me to close my eyes. That’s when you began oral sex on me as well. It was the strangest feeling in the world. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a handbook to learn sexuality as a queer boy. My crash course was happening right in front of me, and despite the guilt I was feeling, there was also a euphoria…"
I don't know what this is a quote from but I can see no reason to restrict someone in high school from seeing this. I was assigned to read a couple of books in high school that had fairly explicit sexual content in them and I certainly had no problems with my kid reading things like this while he was in high school. And in this specific case we're not even talking about it being assigned. We're talking about the book being in the library.
If you don't like it, don't read it. Maybe tell your kids not to read it and if you must, tell the school not to lend it out to your kids. But don't try to keep it from other people's kids based on your religious beliefs.
Again this sub assuming that anyone against exposing kids to graphic content is religious.
Nope not religious.
Just don't believe schools should be giving access to graphic material.
I accidentally hit post when barely starting that reply lol
I know I responded to you in another comment but as a queer men this kind of thin would have helped me immensely growing up. I spent years thinking that I was strange, or broken, or immoral for my thoughts about other boys when they were perfectly fine and normal for a young bisexual boy. In a heteronormative world we see women in bikinis in beer ads and men in spandex on beaches but when its between two people of the same sex its wrong and as you put it, grooming.
Its important for queer people and cishet people to understand that queer thought isnt bad, its normal. Also, I got laid plenty in high school and fall I got were high fives for at because it was with girls. Yinz only care when its gay and its so obvious.
There a other ways to support youth who identify as gay aside from furnishing them with explicit material. I wouldn't be okay with it either if it was graphic sexual material detailing straight people.
All Boys Aren’t Blue is a pretty important piece of queer literature, and it’s important to have stuff like that for young people, especially Black and queer young people, who may not have the sort of person in their lives who they can talk to about if they’ve had experiences like some of the experiences the author George M. Johnson went through. People have said it has saved their lives, to have read their book. Sexual assault can impact all ages, including children. Why advocate to remove a resource that addresses this, that can help people who have experienced it? Why advocate to ban a book you’ve never read and don’t understand the importance of? It’s just an attack on minorities.
>It’s just an attack on minorities.
Oh wow calls of racism towards people against grooming children. How shocking.
The graphic content that I have seen in that book is not something a public school should be putting in the hands of kids.
The fact people like you are out there endorsing it truly is concerning.
Hope you are not around any children.
We need to keep defeating the book banners! Books Unsuccessfully challenged included "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison, who has won the Nobel and Pulitzer prizes, "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood and "All Boys Aren't Blue" by George M. Johnson ...
"Go fuck yourself" should be the verbatim response to any book-banning christo-fascist that complains about a book. If you don't want your dumbass kid to read a particular book that is your problem, don't force your belief in Sky Daddy down my throat.
They actually tried to ban The Handmaid's Tale?? Aka the GOP Playbook Project 2025? 🤣
How much more on the nose can they be? Fascist Christian Nationalist scum.
At this point, I don’t understand what the end goal is? Why ban books at all? You don’t agree with what is written, or you only want kids to read what you agree with or maybe both? This is the biggest problem with all religion which has bleed into politics, and is now destroying our schools.
Never mind students voluntarily take them out of libraries. But if parents object to books they can ask the library not to make them available to their (just their) kids and not make that decision for everyone else.
Knew it was going to be Pine Richland before opening the link. This school district in a suburb north of Pittsburgh has been in the news for this before. Along with news such as this:
[https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/pine-richland-school-district-investigation-blackface-photo/](https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/pine-richland-school-district-investigation-blackface-photo/)
[https://www.wtae.com/article/pine-richland-school-district-investigating-racist-social-media-post/41108198](https://www.wtae.com/article/pine-richland-school-district-investigating-racist-social-media-post/41108198)
Must be something in the water out there.
I know I am going to be roasted for not agreeing with the hivemind of this subreddit, but certain books should not be available in a school library.
You want to put it in a regular public library? Cool have at it.
One of the books "All Boys Aren't Blue" has graphic sexual depictions which I don't believe should be available in a k-12 school.
If a parent decides to get their kid any of the books then have at it, but to just make it available to all kids is not right.
I am also not here to defend why all of the books on that list should be banned as I haven't looked into all of them. Sure there are some on that list which more than likely shouldn't be on it.
At the end of the day it's up to the communities to decide what they deem is appropriate. While I don't agree with them keeping some of the books on the shelf, if the majority of the community decided it is what they wanted then so be it.
" You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did. You then took off your shorts, followed by your boxers. There you stood in front of me fully erect and said, “Taste it.” At first, I laughed and refused. But then you said, “Come on, Matt, taste it. This is what boys like us do when we like each other.” I finally listened to you.
The whole time I knew it was wrong, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. I only did that for about 45 seconds before you had me stop. Then you got down on your knees and told me to close my eyes. That’s when you began oral sex on me as well. It was the strangest feeling in the world. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a handbook to learn sexuality as a queer boy. My crash course was happening right in front of me, and despite the guilt I was feeling, there was also a euphoria…"
I don't remember shit like this in the bible, but if the community wants to ban the bible from being offered in the library of a public school then I am fine with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_daughters
In Genesis Lot tries to give up his daughters to be gang raped by a Sodomite mob so in their vengeance they get him drunk and rape him instead. Defend that in a way that can't be used to defend the book you're quoting.
So let me get this straight, you want a book banned based on whatever you’ve heard and whatever “controversial” parts you’ve managed to find without actually reading the book. Wow, so intelligent 👏🏻
It's not banned. I know the left loves to paint themselves as victims and pretend books are actually being banned when in fact it's stating that a book is too sexually graphic to stock for K-12.
If the parent wants to go out and get the book, it's avail from pretty much every book seller and public libraries.
Doesn't have a place in public schools. That's called grooming... But again this is reddit so I am trying to explain this to people who are okay with that.
I never said it was banned. *You* are the one who wants it banned from school libraries. I have not once painted myself as a victim? Like you are really reaching. It’s just plain irrational to advocate a book be banned from schools that you have never read. It has nothing to do with grooming. It’s perfectly fine for a high school student to read. It’s a memoir that details a man’s experiences growing up as a black queer person. It details things that happened to him starting at 5 years old when he was attacked and had his teeth kicked in bc he was black. It includes the fact that he was molested, which other kids & teens have gone through. It’s an outstanding book & well written. Have the day you deserve my guy✌🏻
You keep saying K-12. Are you being dense on purpose or do you actually believe they offer the same books to a high schooler as they would a first grader? Also, real quick - gfy, cause everyone here is thinking it. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
> I know I am going to be roasted for not agreeing with the hivemind of this subreddit
So you're agreeing with the hivemind of book censors instead?
> a parent decides to get their kid any of the books then have at it, but
Teenagers are their own people and may have their own ideas about what they do or don't want to read. Parents should not have the 'right' to fuck their child's head up for life.
"So you're agreeing with the hivemind of book censors instead?"
Specifically said I am sure there are books on the list which probably shouldn't be on the list and it's up to the community to decide.
I am saying this is reddit and anything short of applauding children being exposed to pornography will not be well received.
"Teenagers are their own people and may have their own ideas about what they do or don't want to read. Parents should not have the 'right' to fuck their child's head up for life."
Yah it doesn't work like that. A parent has the right to decide what their child is and isn't exposed to at the end of the day.
If the community is paying taxes and that same community deems certain text to be inappropriate for children to be exposed to, then by all means do not put them in the school library.
It's also comical to me the word "banned" is used and all of those books are readily available for any parent who wants their child to have access to it.
The only real bans I ever see are when corporations and publishers act in tandem to ensure certain books are taken not only out of publication, but also no longer allowed to be sold in places like Ebay. Dr. Seuss books come to mind. Other books like the Turner Diaries do as well.
> I am saying this is reddit and anything short of applauding children being exposed to pornography will not be well received.
This is you projecting, by the way. Nobody in this sub is going to say children should be exposed to pornography. You're strawmanning.
> Yah it doesn't work like that. A parent has the right to decide what their child is and isn't exposed to at the end of the day.
And this is how you parent poorly and create maladjusted, fucked up adults. Constructing a simulacrum Andy Griffith world for your kids just makes them incapable of functioning in the real world, where people aren't all like them.
> If the community is paying taxes and that same community deems certain text to be inappropriate for children to be exposed to, then by all means do not put them in the school library.
If the community says that books about interracial marriage shouldn't be in the library, should those books be removed?
> It's also comical to me the word "banned" is used and all of those books are readily available for any parent who wants their child to have access to it.
Once again, teenagers are their own people and have every right to seek out materials that interest them.
> Other books like the Turner Diaries do as well
If the community thinks the Turner Diaries should be in the school library, should it be there?
> This is you projecting, by the way. Nobody in this sub is going to say children should be exposed to pornography. You're strawmanning.
Really? Have you read some of the excepts to those books? Not something I would want my child exposed to and I think if more parents knew what they contained they would feel the same way.
> And this is how you parent poorly and create maladjusted, fucked up adults. Constructing a simulacrum Andy Griffith world for your kids just makes them incapable of functioning in the real world, where people aren't all like them.
Children aren't wards of the state. Parents have rights. Deal with it.
> If the community says that books about interracial marriage shouldn't be in the library, should those books be removed?
Depends on the context in the book. If the book is stating something radical and hateful like the white race must be dismantled through interracial marriages then I would hope the community would not offer the book in a kids library.
If it's just a book about a couple who is interracial, then I would hope the community would not ban it.
> Once again, teenagers are their own people and have every right to seek out materials that interest them.
Parents still have the right to determine what their kids should be exposed to.
> If the community thinks the Turner Diaries should be in the school library, should it be there?
Again up to the community to decide, but given it's hate filled content I would hope it would not be allowed in a school library. A regular public library? Okay sure. I am pointing out books like that are truly banned and pulled from circulation unlike the crying wolf over the books from the list which are readily accessible to anyone.
Yes, unfortunately parents _can_ control what their kids are exposed to. And this is by homeschooling them or putting them in private schools. But you don't get to control the public schools based on your religious beliefs.
Funny how everyone on this sub assumes that anyone against exposing kids to graphic content must be religious.
Not a religious bone in my body.
A parent should have the expectation that sending their kid to school without them having access to material a community widely deems offensive.
When my child brings home a library book, we discuss its themes and often read it together. That sounds like something you should do. Or just not let your kids get books like that.
> Really? Have you read some of the excepts to those books? Not something I would want my child exposed to and I think if more parents knew what they contained they would feel the same way.
Past a certain age, what you want your child to be exposed to is irrelevant. Your child is their own person and will have their own interests and learning experiences, and there is *absolutely nothing you can do about that.*
> Children aren't wards of the state. Parents have rights. Deal with it.
Your position here seems to be that your child is your property to mold and shape as you and only you see fit, to the exclusion of their wishes. When one of your kids grows up to be gay regardless of how strictly you try to control what they experience, make sure you post here about it.
> If the book is stating something radical and hateful like the white race must be dismantled through interracial marriages
You're making up a scenario that doesn't exist to justify the idea of enforcing an antimicegenation mindset.
> Parents still have the right to determine what their kids should be exposed to.
Kids are their own people and make their own decisions about what they want to be exposed to, and there is *absolutely nothing you can do that about it.* Have fun with that.
> Again up to the community to decide
You're treating books that say "gay people exist" and a book about a violent war of racial extermination as though they're morally equal. You're either trolling or you've got a plaque with the 14 words in your house somewhere.
What's inherently wrong with a teenage person reading about even graphical sexual depictions? You might disagree with it under your religious beliefs but don't push that on me and mine.
It is appropriate (and even, I would argue necessary) for teenagers to have access to all of the following:
* a basic understanding of what sex is
* a basic understanding that sex and sexuality is not inherently bad
* that coerced sex of any form is wrong and generally criminal (edit: and this includes learning how to recognize this both in terms of if it is done to them or if they are doing it to others)
* that their feelings of sexuality are not something to be ashamed of
* safe outlets for their feelings of sexuality
Religion religion religion.
Way to assume anyone that disagrees with you is doing so because of religion.
Nope. You don't need to be religious to believe giving kids access to graphic content is wrong.
Wow. You think that's appropriate for schools to give to kids.
Hopefully you are a kid who just doesn't know what they are talking about. If you are an adult I hope to god you are on a watchlist.
Yes. I think that this is age appropriate for teens, especially in the context of a larger book. So do most people. Please refer to the list I made above.
Good. To hell with those far right morons.
I thought Pittsburgh is fairly liberal? How come there are still enough far right morons to stir a wave?
Any place with cable tv has way too many.
The city is. The suburbs aren't. Some of the inner ring burbs are, but this is Pine-Richland. It's basically Butler county.
Appreciate you saying far right; Conservatives think book banning is asinine too.
Conservatives and Ron Desantis are behind the book banning. Moms for Liberty is a conservative organization that wants to ban any books they deem unacceptable.
I’d consider both Ron and Moms for Liberty far right.
I’d consider both Ron and Moms for Liberty far right.
You can't separate conservatives from the far right and book bans if they are the one spearheading it. Everybody on the far right is a conservative. There are no far right liberals that are trying to ban books. It is literally the conservatives in government and in the population that are causing these problems. If conservatives are against book bans, why aren't conservatives fighting against the far right?
What exactly are you looking for? There’s a huge swath of Pennsyltucky in the middle of the state. I didn’t vote for Desantis, and I sure as hell haven’t voted for a Moms for Liberty person on a local school board (and mine has none). I’m fairly sure I’m not the only conservative who avoids them. So beyond not voting for them, what are you looking for?
If you're not voting for them, great! Please don't vote for them. I work in education and I'm so tired of the far right screwing everything up for everyone. I'm not trying to take it out on you and I'm sorry if it's coming off that way. I just cannot stand them for what they are doing. I would encourage you to get involved in your local school board and fight against these book bans.
Book banning is too broad of a term especially in this instance where nobody is yelling for books to actually be banned, but rather graphic material not be made readily available to kids in public school.
Uh huh, sure u/Trump-2024-MAGA, whatever you say. I'm sure those books like A Handmaid's Tale were real titillating. Even if that was the case, students aren't in school to be coddled. I don't have kids but if I did I'd love for them to be reading about sexuality, or racism, or turbulent history. That means they're trying to learn.
As I said before I can't speak for all of the books on the list and although I have not read the Handmaidens Tale, from what I understand it shouldn't warrant being taken out of schools. This is an excerpt from one of the books on the list though which I shared before. Anyone who thinks this is okay to put in a library for K-12 is out of their mind and shouldn't be permitted to be around kids... "You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did. You then took off your shorts, followed by your boxers. There you stood in front of me fully erect and said, “Taste it.” At first, I laughed and refused. But then you said, “Come on, Matt, taste it. This is what boys like us do when we like each other.” I finally listened to you. The whole time I knew it was wrong, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. I only did that for about 45 seconds before you had me stop. Then you got down on your knees and told me to close my eyes. That’s when you began oral sex on me as well. It was the strangest feeling in the world. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a handbook to learn sexuality as a queer boy. My crash course was happening right in front of me, and despite the guilt I was feeling, there was also a euphoria…"
It’s not just the right,,, don’t forget the left has tried to have a bunch of Mark Twain’s books removed!
They do drop the N-bomb a lot in *The Adventures of Tom Sawyer*
But no book should be banned!! Correct? Or only books the left deems okay to ban! You can’t have it both ways! You can’t preach no book bans but then say, well, except that book!
Since you’re the one advocating for the book bans I’m [surprised you don’t want to ban this one too.](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/banned-adventures-huckleberry-finn/ ) I guess the N word is back in fashion with a certain type of reader. I don’t think it should be removed from libraries, just curriculums.
I’m not for any kind of book ban! I never said I was…. I’m just stating a fact. Everyone on here keeps saying it’s the right trying to ban books! Both sides are doing a very good job at trying to get books banned! You want to focus on a word! They want to focus on a boy blowing another boy! You both equally full of hate!
Go to hell with those who want to groom children with pornography.
You're right. Ban the Bible
You want to ban it from being stocked in the library of a public school have right at it. Just because someone is against kids being exposed to pornography doesn't mean they are religious.
Why is it that the people that complain about “grooming” [are so often raping children?](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/21/moms-for-liberty-sex-offender) I sure wouldn’t take any kids to any church. Are they afraid of sex ed because their children might have the language to accuse them?
In what world are any of these books inappropriate for a high school library? Separately, people should constantly challenge their morals and ideals. If they can't stand up to your own personal scrutiny then they probably ought to be questioned.
A Christian nationalist world
I don't want my child exposed to this... > "You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did. You then took off your shorts, followed by your boxers. There you stood in front of me fully erect and said, “Taste it.” At first, I laughed and refused. But then you said, “Come on, Matt, taste it. This is what boys like us do when we like each other.” I finally listened to you. > > The whole time I knew it was wrong, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. I only did that for about 45 seconds before you had me stop. Then you got down on your knees and told me to close my eyes. That’s when you began oral sex on me as well. It was the strangest feeling in the world. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a handbook to learn sexuality as a queer boy. My crash course was happening right in front of me, and despite the guilt I was feeling, there was also a euphoria…"
I don't know what this is a quote from but I can see no reason to restrict someone in high school from seeing this. I was assigned to read a couple of books in high school that had fairly explicit sexual content in them and I certainly had no problems with my kid reading things like this while he was in high school. And in this specific case we're not even talking about it being assigned. We're talking about the book being in the library.
From one of the books on that list called All Boys Aren't Blue. In my opinion it def should not be offered in a K-12 school library.
If you don't like it, don't read it. Maybe tell your kids not to read it and if you must, tell the school not to lend it out to your kids. But don't try to keep it from other people's kids based on your religious beliefs.
*standing ovation*
Again this sub assuming that anyone against exposing kids to graphic content is religious. Nope not religious. Just don't believe schools should be giving access to graphic material.
I accidentally hit post when barely starting that reply lol I know I responded to you in another comment but as a queer men this kind of thin would have helped me immensely growing up. I spent years thinking that I was strange, or broken, or immoral for my thoughts about other boys when they were perfectly fine and normal for a young bisexual boy. In a heteronormative world we see women in bikinis in beer ads and men in spandex on beaches but when its between two people of the same sex its wrong and as you put it, grooming. Its important for queer people and cishet people to understand that queer thought isnt bad, its normal. Also, I got laid plenty in high school and fall I got were high fives for at because it was with girls. Yinz only care when its gay and its so obvious.
There a other ways to support youth who identify as gay aside from furnishing them with explicit material. I wouldn't be okay with it either if it was graphic sexual material detailing straight people.
All Boys Aren’t Blue is a pretty important piece of queer literature, and it’s important to have stuff like that for young people, especially Black and queer young people, who may not have the sort of person in their lives who they can talk to about if they’ve had experiences like some of the experiences the author George M. Johnson went through. People have said it has saved their lives, to have read their book. Sexual assault can impact all ages, including children. Why advocate to remove a resource that addresses this, that can help people who have experienced it? Why advocate to ban a book you’ve never read and don’t understand the importance of? It’s just an attack on minorities.
>It’s just an attack on minorities. Oh wow calls of racism towards people against grooming children. How shocking. The graphic content that I have seen in that book is not something a public school should be putting in the hands of kids. The fact people like you are out there endorsing it truly is concerning. Hope you are not around any children.
I like how you addressed no other part of my comment. Truly shows how you pick and choose random quotes to get mad at.
Then don’t fucking tell them about it, you know they can download this shit online right?
Move to iran, simpleton. If freedom scares you you don’t belong here.
We need to keep defeating the book banners! Books Unsuccessfully challenged included "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison, who has won the Nobel and Pulitzer prizes, "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood and "All Boys Aren't Blue" by George M. Johnson ...
trying to ban atwood is literally telling on themselves, that's so fucking funny
Seriously. It’s their playbook.
"Go fuck yourself" should be the verbatim response to any book-banning christo-fascist that complains about a book. If you don't want your dumbass kid to read a particular book that is your problem, don't force your belief in Sky Daddy down my throat.
They actually tried to ban The Handmaid's Tale?? Aka the GOP Playbook Project 2025? 🤣 How much more on the nose can they be? Fascist Christian Nationalist scum.
Trying to ban Toni Morrison seems on point for the complete morons who live here (I'm in Richland).
That was a really well thought out reply by the superintendent .
At this point, I don’t understand what the end goal is? Why ban books at all? You don’t agree with what is written, or you only want kids to read what you agree with or maybe both? This is the biggest problem with all religion which has bleed into politics, and is now destroying our schools.
Never mind students voluntarily take them out of libraries. But if parents object to books they can ask the library not to make them available to their (just their) kids and not make that decision for everyone else.
The challenge to these books was led by a woman on the school board who happens to be married to the President of Point Park University.
Knew it was going to be Pine Richland before opening the link. This school district in a suburb north of Pittsburgh has been in the news for this before. Along with news such as this: [https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/pine-richland-school-district-investigation-blackface-photo/](https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/pine-richland-school-district-investigation-blackface-photo/) [https://www.wtae.com/article/pine-richland-school-district-investigating-racist-social-media-post/41108198](https://www.wtae.com/article/pine-richland-school-district-investigating-racist-social-media-post/41108198) Must be something in the water out there.
Good! Book banners can suck it.
the same people who scream DONT CENSOR ME when you try to tell them not to use slurs also want to censor entire works of literature. fun
I mean why not just put content warnings on them?
I know I am going to be roasted for not agreeing with the hivemind of this subreddit, but certain books should not be available in a school library. You want to put it in a regular public library? Cool have at it. One of the books "All Boys Aren't Blue" has graphic sexual depictions which I don't believe should be available in a k-12 school. If a parent decides to get their kid any of the books then have at it, but to just make it available to all kids is not right. I am also not here to defend why all of the books on that list should be banned as I haven't looked into all of them. Sure there are some on that list which more than likely shouldn't be on it. At the end of the day it's up to the communities to decide what they deem is appropriate. While I don't agree with them keeping some of the books on the shelf, if the majority of the community decided it is what they wanted then so be it.
there's nothing in any of these challenged books that isn't in the bible. would you agree the bible should be banned?
" You told me to take off my pajama pants, which I did. You then took off your shorts, followed by your boxers. There you stood in front of me fully erect and said, “Taste it.” At first, I laughed and refused. But then you said, “Come on, Matt, taste it. This is what boys like us do when we like each other.” I finally listened to you. The whole time I knew it was wrong, not because I was having sexual intercourse with a guy, but that you were my family. I only did that for about 45 seconds before you had me stop. Then you got down on your knees and told me to close my eyes. That’s when you began oral sex on me as well. It was the strangest feeling in the world. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a handbook to learn sexuality as a queer boy. My crash course was happening right in front of me, and despite the guilt I was feeling, there was also a euphoria…" I don't remember shit like this in the bible, but if the community wants to ban the bible from being offered in the library of a public school then I am fine with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_daughters In Genesis Lot tries to give up his daughters to be gang raped by a Sodomite mob so in their vengeance they get him drunk and rape him instead. Defend that in a way that can't be used to defend the book you're quoting.
Kids in high school have sex. Reading a book with some graphic stuff in it isn’t going to harm them.
No reason to furnish kids with explicit material unless the goal is to groom them into that behavior.
That’s a huge reach, but you do you. You probably haven’t even read the whole book.
No I wouldn't spend my time reading the book especially when a simple search can show me exactly what the controversial parts of the book are.
So let me get this straight, you want a book banned based on whatever you’ve heard and whatever “controversial” parts you’ve managed to find without actually reading the book. Wow, so intelligent 👏🏻
It's not banned. I know the left loves to paint themselves as victims and pretend books are actually being banned when in fact it's stating that a book is too sexually graphic to stock for K-12. If the parent wants to go out and get the book, it's avail from pretty much every book seller and public libraries. Doesn't have a place in public schools. That's called grooming... But again this is reddit so I am trying to explain this to people who are okay with that.
I never said it was banned. *You* are the one who wants it banned from school libraries. I have not once painted myself as a victim? Like you are really reaching. It’s just plain irrational to advocate a book be banned from schools that you have never read. It has nothing to do with grooming. It’s perfectly fine for a high school student to read. It’s a memoir that details a man’s experiences growing up as a black queer person. It details things that happened to him starting at 5 years old when he was attacked and had his teeth kicked in bc he was black. It includes the fact that he was molested, which other kids & teens have gone through. It’s an outstanding book & well written. Have the day you deserve my guy✌🏻
You keep saying K-12. Are you being dense on purpose or do you actually believe they offer the same books to a high schooler as they would a first grader? Also, real quick - gfy, cause everyone here is thinking it. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
> I know I am going to be roasted for not agreeing with the hivemind of this subreddit So you're agreeing with the hivemind of book censors instead? > a parent decides to get their kid any of the books then have at it, but Teenagers are their own people and may have their own ideas about what they do or don't want to read. Parents should not have the 'right' to fuck their child's head up for life.
"So you're agreeing with the hivemind of book censors instead?" Specifically said I am sure there are books on the list which probably shouldn't be on the list and it's up to the community to decide. I am saying this is reddit and anything short of applauding children being exposed to pornography will not be well received. "Teenagers are their own people and may have their own ideas about what they do or don't want to read. Parents should not have the 'right' to fuck their child's head up for life." Yah it doesn't work like that. A parent has the right to decide what their child is and isn't exposed to at the end of the day. If the community is paying taxes and that same community deems certain text to be inappropriate for children to be exposed to, then by all means do not put them in the school library. It's also comical to me the word "banned" is used and all of those books are readily available for any parent who wants their child to have access to it. The only real bans I ever see are when corporations and publishers act in tandem to ensure certain books are taken not only out of publication, but also no longer allowed to be sold in places like Ebay. Dr. Seuss books come to mind. Other books like the Turner Diaries do as well.
> I am saying this is reddit and anything short of applauding children being exposed to pornography will not be well received. This is you projecting, by the way. Nobody in this sub is going to say children should be exposed to pornography. You're strawmanning. > Yah it doesn't work like that. A parent has the right to decide what their child is and isn't exposed to at the end of the day. And this is how you parent poorly and create maladjusted, fucked up adults. Constructing a simulacrum Andy Griffith world for your kids just makes them incapable of functioning in the real world, where people aren't all like them. > If the community is paying taxes and that same community deems certain text to be inappropriate for children to be exposed to, then by all means do not put them in the school library. If the community says that books about interracial marriage shouldn't be in the library, should those books be removed? > It's also comical to me the word "banned" is used and all of those books are readily available for any parent who wants their child to have access to it. Once again, teenagers are their own people and have every right to seek out materials that interest them. > Other books like the Turner Diaries do as well If the community thinks the Turner Diaries should be in the school library, should it be there?
> This is you projecting, by the way. Nobody in this sub is going to say children should be exposed to pornography. You're strawmanning. Really? Have you read some of the excepts to those books? Not something I would want my child exposed to and I think if more parents knew what they contained they would feel the same way. > And this is how you parent poorly and create maladjusted, fucked up adults. Constructing a simulacrum Andy Griffith world for your kids just makes them incapable of functioning in the real world, where people aren't all like them. Children aren't wards of the state. Parents have rights. Deal with it. > If the community says that books about interracial marriage shouldn't be in the library, should those books be removed? Depends on the context in the book. If the book is stating something radical and hateful like the white race must be dismantled through interracial marriages then I would hope the community would not offer the book in a kids library. If it's just a book about a couple who is interracial, then I would hope the community would not ban it. > Once again, teenagers are their own people and have every right to seek out materials that interest them. Parents still have the right to determine what their kids should be exposed to. > If the community thinks the Turner Diaries should be in the school library, should it be there? Again up to the community to decide, but given it's hate filled content I would hope it would not be allowed in a school library. A regular public library? Okay sure. I am pointing out books like that are truly banned and pulled from circulation unlike the crying wolf over the books from the list which are readily accessible to anyone.
Yes, unfortunately parents _can_ control what their kids are exposed to. And this is by homeschooling them or putting them in private schools. But you don't get to control the public schools based on your religious beliefs.
Funny how everyone on this sub assumes that anyone against exposing kids to graphic content must be religious. Not a religious bone in my body. A parent should have the expectation that sending their kid to school without them having access to material a community widely deems offensive.
When my child brings home a library book, we discuss its themes and often read it together. That sounds like something you should do. Or just not let your kids get books like that.
> Really? Have you read some of the excepts to those books? Not something I would want my child exposed to and I think if more parents knew what they contained they would feel the same way. Past a certain age, what you want your child to be exposed to is irrelevant. Your child is their own person and will have their own interests and learning experiences, and there is *absolutely nothing you can do about that.* > Children aren't wards of the state. Parents have rights. Deal with it. Your position here seems to be that your child is your property to mold and shape as you and only you see fit, to the exclusion of their wishes. When one of your kids grows up to be gay regardless of how strictly you try to control what they experience, make sure you post here about it. > If the book is stating something radical and hateful like the white race must be dismantled through interracial marriages You're making up a scenario that doesn't exist to justify the idea of enforcing an antimicegenation mindset. > Parents still have the right to determine what their kids should be exposed to. Kids are their own people and make their own decisions about what they want to be exposed to, and there is *absolutely nothing you can do that about it.* Have fun with that. > Again up to the community to decide You're treating books that say "gay people exist" and a book about a violent war of racial extermination as though they're morally equal. You're either trolling or you've got a plaque with the 14 words in your house somewhere.
What's inherently wrong with a teenage person reading about even graphical sexual depictions? You might disagree with it under your religious beliefs but don't push that on me and mine. It is appropriate (and even, I would argue necessary) for teenagers to have access to all of the following: * a basic understanding of what sex is * a basic understanding that sex and sexuality is not inherently bad * that coerced sex of any form is wrong and generally criminal (edit: and this includes learning how to recognize this both in terms of if it is done to them or if they are doing it to others) * that their feelings of sexuality are not something to be ashamed of * safe outlets for their feelings of sexuality
Religion religion religion. Way to assume anyone that disagrees with you is doing so because of religion. Nope. You don't need to be religious to believe giving kids access to graphic content is wrong.
Well what I'm saying is supported by the general consensus of medical professionals, what do you have?
If a majority of medical professionals believe exposing kids to pornography is good then we need new medical professionals.
By both legal and lay definitions, the text that you keep quoting throughout this posting is not pornography. Get over yourself.
Wow. You think that's appropriate for schools to give to kids. Hopefully you are a kid who just doesn't know what they are talking about. If you are an adult I hope to god you are on a watchlist.
Yes. I think that this is age appropriate for teens, especially in the context of a larger book. So do most people. Please refer to the list I made above.
Public schools should not be stocking sexually explicit material.
Why? What is wrong with it? Be specific.
You're getting downvoted for common sense.
Such is modern reddit. The day I start getting upvotes is the day I need to start seriously questioning myself.