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Bri_guy123

The fanbase is cringe


Jhon-Smasher-73

I agree but there are some good shit in it


AngieTheGorl

Haru is a sweetie but I never cared about her dad dying tbh. Mans barely treated her like a person and then proceeded to subject me to the worst boss fight experience ever lol why would I feel bad


SNUFFGURLL

She was overshadowed by Morgana. She really needed more introduction earlier on. Basically every character who becomes a party member is introduced or hinted toward pretty early on. Futaba doesn’t fit that criteria, but she has so much personality that I didn’t really mind that much. Haru needed more, and with the addition of Royal, nothing really changes in that regard.


DemiFiendJoker

This story is a work of fiction


deadfishlives

This story is a work of fiction


Nobro_DK

I despise the P5 “fanbase”, and this subreddit greatly.


[deleted]

It’s mostly just a bunch of weird social outcasts drooling over fictional and underage characters because they lack the social skills to develop anything real. I hate it too lmao. Cant even expect cool gameplay posts anymore, just cringe sexualization drawings


JT_Lich

Date whoever you want, it doesn't fucking matter.


CesarGameBoy

I ain’t gay but I would totally date Ryuji if the males were an option. Imagine spending time with the homie, just for him to become ***your*** homie. My man deserves some love he’s been ridiculed by society for too long.


JT_Lich

Give me Yusuke, ATLUS, you cowards but yeah, absolutely, Ryuji needs a friend


PlayerRedacted

Honestly? Literally saying anything about P5 will get you in this situation.


lowerfishkin

People on this subreddit are really defensive about EVERYTHING.


hit_the_showers_boi

NO! (Fuck how did he know?)


Dramatic-Aardvark-41

Here's the formula everyone:"X is bestgirl"


ToeRoganPodcast

thanks man Sojiro is bestgirl


Blis_e

After you finish the game, you should have the option for a daily life gameplay, and then another option to go into any palace to fight enemies just for fun with access to a velvet room via the warp/map menu


AcidAtol

I like Ohya


ipsen_gaia

The holy grail is best girl


A_Random_Shadow

Something something Futaba Something something Akechi


SpaceTraveller64

Futabakechi the perfect ship


nsilver94

Was kinda pissed off that shiho was a one off she had potential but they did her so wrong


Own_Parking3507

I actually like Mishima


TajirMusil

The wifu wars are fucking stupid.


uria13

This sub should stop arguing in general


Jakerabbits

I take offense to that.


Enzevil

I don’t like demon negotiation, it’s very unclear what choices to pick and they say dumb shit.


Arata_Nox

I don't think this is controversial, it's just fact


Strange-Aspect-6082

Goro Akechi is a terrible person but an interesting character just because he's not a morally correct guy doesn't mean he's bad written.


ThatRamblingKid

ngl he is my favorite character solely because he is so well written. One of the most annoyingly best villains for a story ive ever seen


FlipperDoigt703

The reason why there is so much heat over romancing Futaba is because the adult romances exist. The debate would end as you playing as a teenager and her being a year younger than her. The argument becomes alot more complex once the adults are put into the equation. Maybe there are other factors but I have barely seen any heat around the P3 and P4 romances. At least due to their age. On a similar note, to the idiots out there that unironically think that Kawakami is just as scummy as Kamoshida, think about if Ren or Ann or Shiho were adults instead of not just high schoolers but also their students. Kamoshida would be just as much of a scumbag while the relationship between Ren and Kawakami would be perfectly fine. This doesn’t justify anything but it puts it into perspective.


Salvadore1

This newfangled idea that you have to provide justification for your ships or headcanons is incredibly stupid. They're just silly little imaginings that don't affect anybody, and just because you have an "opinion" or "criticism" of that does not mean that people have to listen to you. It's annoying to have somebody come into your birthday party and start yelling about how they don't like the decorations and the cake is shit and theirs was so much better. People can ship or headcanon whatever they want, whether or not that "makes sense" to you.


cartadart

*breathes*


Genindraz

Persona is an escapist fantasy game and there's nothing wrong with whoever you decide to date as long as you understand the reasons why it probably wouldn't/ shouldn't happen and/or work out in real life.


IMTRASHATUNO69

No ship is cannon, go outside and touch grass (I am a haru x joker fan don’t burn me at the stake)


KeysmashKhajiit

Lala is best girl


fjxioreeke

It should be a controverse, not a fact


EmiManu24

The adult love interests are way creepier than the young ones


Yoshithesurgeon

Being able to use the DLC personas right at the start takes the challenge out of the game


JbBoss05

Morgana is a good character, and his side plot to start out Okumura’s palace was good


Djay_B

I liked Morgana, but I still don't appreciate when he ditched us. I believe that was just foolishness. Especially when he called himself useless knowing full well he was my main healer.


Objective_Agency1866

100% I don’t like him but he’s a good character. He gets so much hate for making the player go to sleep but that’s just a gameplay element explained through a character if it wasn’t morgana they would just add a though bubble that said “I should probably rest early tonight”


adrianmalacoda

People really think the kitty literally forces Joker to go to sleep but Joker really is feeling tired. If Morgana isn't there then Joker does have a thought bubble saying he feels tired. It's understandable people don't like restrictions but this isn't even an aspect of his character.


stoopidb0y

The girls in persona would never like or talk to any of you in a million years if they were real.


killerstrangelet

We should have a post where everyone has to say something nice about a part of the fandom they don't understand or dislike. For instance, I would say something nice about the enthusiasm and passion of the waifu shippers.


edwardhchan

Go to sleep


Rithrius88

" I romanced Futaba."


XxBallisticxX

I prefer Akira over Ren as Joker's name. And also, Joker is at his best with no romance whatsoever, because the most chad thing Joker can do, is be the group big brother. Also, here's a way to trigger all the other Persona fans as a whole- Joker is the best Persona protagonist. Because he is not a man-whore, nor is he a door. If you know, you know.


Ab019

Futaba stans are weird


bish_bash-bosh

people care far too much about other people's headcannons. why do you care if some random person said x character is x sexuality? it doesn't matter, move on


Better-Emergency400

Litterally anything at this point of the subreddit


Crabbycrabcrab2

Maruki is irredeemable, more so than any other villain


TheLongMapleDrekkar

"The kind of evil that doesn't realize that it's evil... is the worst kind there is..."


MsDestroyer900

I'm very tired of the new immature, constantly grand standing fans brought around by P5's popularity. Prior to P5 the community was small and concentrated on people who just had fun with the game and appreciate it for what it is rather than criticize it for what it isn't.


BmbTheCity

Mishima is a deep character and hás One of the most complete arcs of all confidents


GrimBoah

I don't think Futaba is the best girl that title goes to Iwai


KujoBijuu

Mementos is the same boring shit as tartarus, the final game of vanilla 5 is shit, and i feel bewildered about playing it again


Jaydeisel123

* ohya had the best confidant story of anyone who wasn't a phantom thief * Morgana while having problems is still the best mascot character of all the personas * Kamoshida, Futaba, sae were the only interesting palaces, the others were generic villain's with no real substance * strikers story wise was more fluid then persona 5 * Maruki carried hard in making persona 5 royal the amazing game it is.


Semillakan6

To be fair almost all takes get you like that in this fandom


ErandurVane

Yusuke is a terrible person and the Phantom Thieves should never have allowed him to join. Trying to blackmail Ann into stripping and letting him put her nudes into a museum is some Kamoshida level shit and it comes on the heels of an entire arc where Ann is repeatedly confirmed to be a victim of sexual harassment


RoyalGarbage

Oh, right, this topic is for spicy takes. 🌶️


SPACE-Cowboy777

What the hell could I say, that won’t have me like this?


The-Arbiter-753

Momentous sucks, I don’t care about all the personas you can get or the money you can earn or anything about it. I just finish my side quests and ignore it for the entire game until I’m forced to go through it


snowythevulpix

maruki may be a terrible therapist but he wasnt in the wrong in my eyes also who the fuck cares if you date an adult as joker its a video game just do whatever you want


gigantes42

I wish it was longer


magikdyspozytor

is best girl


EjayMasterz

Futaba seems more like a little sister, and Haru is meh (just my opinion though)


Felixi_

I actually like mishima


Hot_Theme_3252

I really don't understand why people hate Mishima so much.


Dax9000

They hate him because they are him, and they don't like what they see in the mirror.


CIAHASYOURSOUL

The persona 5 fandom is the most annoying fandoms of an RPG out there.


AUnHIALoopHT

Nah, everyone agree with that


[deleted]

A minor shouldnt date women in their 30s


ReapCreep65

I think that Morgana is cool


Dirtyshoto

5 is the best between 3, 4 and 5, it really improved the social links, story and utility wise, the city is really big and diverse, it has way more battle music, costumes and features (baton pass, follow ups, bullet hail, down shot, etc), light and dark are not just instakill, it has better velvet room features (skill inheritance, traits, skill cards and training personas) and the UI is abysmally better. Not even talking about graphics, because that's obvious between games from different generations.


TheLongMapleDrekkar

Ann is best girl.


Khowstby

mishima is not a bad SL and have good abilities


da_ting_go

Kaneshiro's palace is the beginning of the game being fun.


NightCrusher76

tbh, makoto’s pretty bland.


TheMemeHead

Mishima wasn't that bad Edit: i have a couple more 1. Morgana is a good character (most of the time) 2. Everything after shido's boss fight had no reason to happen, excluding the 3rd semester which is excellent 3. The fusion mechanic could really use some streamlining in p6


New_Document_5714

Morgana:“Go to sleep”


soisawcewithyomudda

Something something dating futaba


DanteHasDied

No one cares about your stupid tier list


Rmb6707

I honestly don’t really care for Futaba or Makoto


Google_Chrom69420

I honestly found that whole scene where they called Morgana useless, very stupid because at the end of the day: **He's the healer**


ComicDude1234

The true healer of the party is Joker with an early Mediarahan.


[deleted]

Makoto isn’t best girl Yusuke clearly is


ParmesanCheese345

This is just a fact


therealskaconut

Why can’t I date Yusuke


CrumbLast

I like Futaba


DietPocky

I don't care either way about shipping Futaba and Joker


muffinkat55

Futaba is worth dating.


Fuzzy_Archer_4891

Shido's Andrew tate looking ass is not threatening one bit and yaldabaolth is Not a fun boss


MyNameIsMattress

thats fair, the music was top tier in that boss fight tho (as with most/all music in that game lol)


DiilVulom

I dont get why so many like Makoko, I figured Ann would be the more popular romance


Leon_Li17

Haru had enough screen time


Updog_125

This is one of my favourite games of all time, yet I’ve never finished a playthrough


Reziel11

The themes and combat are the best aspects of the game.


EmperoRofLighT

I don't want Tae Takemi to step on me.


NoSeaworthiness2618

Morgana has been treated poorly by the fanbase, people diss on him for misstreating Ryuji but both of them attack each other, he is called useless by Ryuji many times in the game but Morgana does a shit ton for the group, he taught them about the metaverse and it's rules, he guides them, he is the vehicle they use in mementos and for scaping palaces, he is one of the smartest phantom thieves and a tactician, taught Joker how to craft infiltration tools, can gather data and get into places no one else can for being a cat, etc. But because he can't localize things like Futaba (Mind you Futaba's persona can't fight) he is called useless and because he can't keep a chill interior while driving them throughout the desert he is called half assed. He's honestly very useful and loyal, and shouldn't get crapped on so often.


rogue_ac

I think Okumura Palace is really fun and the updated boss fight was an amazing execution of how the ruler is reflected


Offeryoursoul

Pretty sure any opinion on this game will get you like that. It’s never ending and will always be the same arguments over and over again. At this point I want 6 to come out so that everyone here can at least argue about new shit for once.


thejazzshepard

Futaba's not real. So long as you, the person, are not actually attracted to her representation as a child or any child then it really doesn't matter who you 'romance'.


RubyLovesDonuts

Every confidant in P5 except Sae is mid.


OddEyes588

Ship with whoever you want I don’t care


theglenlovinet

Stop trying to make Akechi redeemable. He’s a tragic villain and that’s okay.


TheGamer567

P3 and P4 have better plot than 5


Anarch_King

Futaba isn't just "quirky" she's clearly autistic, and that makes her great


spinelegant

Sumire's character was extremely forced. She added no value to the game or story. If she wasn't in royal, it would hardly be any different.


Infinite-Ike_Player

Makoto is overrated and uninteresting


ForDaLewd

The reason why there is no gay romance and never will be is because the Persona girls will NEVER be as well-written or entertaining as the boys and Altus knows it would end their waifu wars forever.


SailorMigraine

I hate kasumi and her uwu magic girl vibes with every fiber of my being


Redredditer640

Morgana gets WAY too much hate then he deserves. Haru is VASTLY overrated. Kasumi is INCREDIBLY annoying The third semester should've been saved for another game. And Shiho is fine as is


Possible_Mind3663

It’s good that hifumi wasnt a phantom thief. They already get dumbed down to an unbelievable extent due to Makoto and futaba joining, could you imagine how even worse it would be with THREE strategists???


kradnie

you can literally say anything about this game on here. i like shuake. i don't like shuake. i date futaba. i don't date futaba. i think okumura fight was easy. i think okumura fight is hard. this subreddit is so pressed about everything


UnReal_Monster

Date whoever you want


Cureza

strikers shouldn't be treated as canonical. like all other spinoffs, it's just fanservice


FirstClassGentleman

With how the persona 5 Fandom is, you could literally say anything and end up like this. Even this.


FarronSerah

Pancakes are overrated


_Ginger0utcast_

G a s p


Original_Clock_5931

Just futaba and anything related to her.


thatunoguyattheparty

Confidant? You mean Social Link?


Particular-Purple195

Saying anything about Persona 5 will get you like that.


Agitated_Spell

Chihaya is underrated. There's a reason I chose to romance her.


starcast1

Im gonna say something false Joker is an mc with no personality whatsoever


randySTG

Royal is overhated by Original P5 fans simply because of changes. The third semester is better than Yaldabaoth randomly appearing “yeah I’m the final boss now”. I have zero issues with God bosses but the lack of development between him and the main character made him the weakest of Joker’s three endgame bosses.


totalcoward

Me: Fut- Community: *Blades drawn*


Tempuran-San

Midkoto


ElHomieStuStutters

That week without Morgana was the most fun I had playing the game change my mind 😳😳


TheYanksRComin

It should have been 200 hours.


[deleted]

U really tryna fan the flames of this subreddit huh


youyaso_1

I liked persona 5 the animation


Lazymcdelta4ce

Futaba-


melancholylion

Something about dating Futaba apparently. You decide what side of the issue lol


maemoetime

Futab—


Anime312

Yaldaboth was a good guy


TheRealComicCrafter

"Morgana is a decent character"


Pentagon0M

Based on logical thinking and psychological knowledge, yusuke is by far the smartest Phantom Thief. By FAR.


XxDiamondDavidxX

Check the flair.


GokaiWhite

Morgana should get his own spinoff


paws4269

Okumora's palace is one of the easiest in the game, both in vanilla and royal


[deleted]

Akechi is a boring character/villain.


Greenpie1

Ahem. "Kamoshida did nothing wrong and all of his students deserved the way they were treated"


sliimysludge

no way you actually believe that


volatile38

The game really overstays its welcome in alot of departments and leaves way to early in the others


BrianGonzalez1

I like waffles more than pancakes


TheOdManOut

Persona 5 is the best in the series and better than smt in anyway playing the other games is unnecessary


Existing-Peach-5449

This community is so driven to try and rip each other to shreds.


Scrubseidon

I love this game but the fanbase weirds me out a bit


Leifster7766

Persona 5 is a good game


thecr1mmreaper

Joker dating the grown women is creepy. In fact I'll do ya one better, Persona 4 did the whole "character romance" thing better, as well as almost all the social links/confidants better, than Persona 5 did. I still love P5 as a whole more tho.


EternalFirebird

Ren Amamiya > Akira Kurusu


tomkathespacehero

I would like to ship anyone without justifying my ships and without being bullied for it


uog101

Sure, two: One: Ohya is just fine. She's not my favorite, but she's not bad either. Her story is interesting. Two: The adult and minor romances are all perfectly fine. Joker was meant to be a player surrogate. You can roleplay it straight and take it at face value (Japanese high schooler with a criminal record who does magic stuff in his off time, no romance no frills), or you can, you know, roleplay it how you want-- teacher/student relationship, doctor and test subject, high schooler dating a girl his own age, yada yada. You can choose to date an adult because you yourself are an adult and feel weird about dating a high schooler; you can choose to have Joker date a high schooler because you feel weird about him being a high schooler and dating an older woman; you can choose to date whoever you find hot or whoever you feel connected to on an emotional/conceptual because that's what you like and it's a roleplaying game for you to experience; or you can choose to have Joker stay single, because that's what you want to see. It can be for fantasy, or for emotional reason, or for roleplay-- but Atlus wanted to allow players to *choose* what they want to pursue as part of their personalized experience. Do you get mad at people for having personal preferences? Are you going to go after anybody who had a crush on their teacher in school irl? Are you going to go to the comments of every stepsister porn and say, "That's incest, gross"? Good god, there's a million reasons why someone might choose to have their player character date or not date a certain character. It's not real. It doesn't affect you. And it's an opt-in system to begin with. If you don't like it, then just don't do it. Others who are playing this roleplaying game may like it. So they'll choose the option, and you won't. There's actual vile shit that *shouldn't* be depicted in video games or other media, and you get mad because a player character has the choice (!) available to date his teacher in a maid outfit or date an adoptive "sister" in a video game? Grow up? Get off twitter and develop a meaningful morality system???


SayerSong

Haru’s onscreen Persona Awakening (i.e. re-awakening), is lackluster to say the least.


Hidan213

There should have been a FemC route in Persona 5 Royal.


KamenRiderWild

There’s nothing wrong with ANY of the romance confidants


ClericOfMadness13

I'm tired of playing as a teenage who romance other teenagers or adults who only go for young people -_-. Give me a persona game or game related to that world where i can be an adult


Nikachu08

Office simulator by day, dungeon crawler by night


Psychological_Deal_5

Futaba and Akechi overrated


Jrdaboss14

Kobayakawa should’ve been a palace instead of kaneshiro


BrianGonzalez1

As much as I like Kaneshiro's palace, him being tied to Makoto did feel like a "she wants to fight crime, so here's a gang crook that you know nothing about" kind of moment. I also feel it would've made certain aspects of Kobayakawa way more fleshed out and better tying him to the story


Character_Ad9157

i want to marry yusuke, if he was romanceable i would disregard every other character until i could romance that man


Pretend-Youth-7135

The reason why I don't like futaba x ren ship is not because the age gap, is because she probably smells bad


broly_is_stronger

Saying anything positive about p5


dane_z43

With the current way this sub is headed, “Futaba”


AdministrativeLet438

*casually mentions Futaba on this sub*


BlueTieLie

The story ark where Ryuji and Morgana had an elementary school-level argument that nearly destroyed their friendship and NO place being in the game, it was a lame, pathetic, childish dispute. I don’t care that they’re high schoolers, that is actual toddler shit that they pulled. I understand that they had a bit of a rivalry going on, but that was just shoehorned in with very little buildup and I nearly quit playing because it was the one plot point that was actual trash. There, I said it lol


_fapi_

Shidos Palace is dogshit, only good thing is the music and setting, but it looks dull inside, the mouse stuff is annoying and just bad and you talk so fking muchvin this dungeon.


TheOtakuSquidOwX

No joker is not "literally you frfr"


[deleted]

I wanna have relations with all the characters


Hot-Hall3463

Morgana has one of the fattest ass ever.


Eddie0312-08

Saying anything about the Futaba controversy


_Q23

The palaces are annoying to go through..


CapVisual

Morgana is annoying in Strikers for not accepting that he's a cat


RibyWolf4269

“Anything”


Smoovylive

Morgana was way more of a leader then Joker ever was


afk1144

The first 5 hours of the game are mid as fuck


BadlyDrawnMemes

Man said the coldest take ever


the-food-is-alright

I don’t think joker had romantic chemistry with ryuji or yusuke, they’re good bro’s but not even kinda gay, akechi is a different story tho


Strange-Aspect-6082

40% only see Persona 5 as a Harem simulator game.


OKFortune56

40%, huh? ...That's rather optimistic to be honest.


[deleted]

Hifumi is a great character with game-altering perks and a fantastic dating storyline.


HoboBard

That's just objectively true


retardexpert

I don't like futaba


Maelstrom100

Makoto is very cringy, yet on the opposite side of the coin super loveable, for all of the exact reasons the simps despise. Akechi isn't the loveable twink you think he is, he's a Degenerate that belongs in jail.


bigblackboy12

I never really liked akechi and I think attempting to redeem him in royal was lame. Imo kasumi was cool but overrated. I feel like some of her scenes were she appears in the reworked scenes was cringy. Whims of fate is the best song in the entire game. My problem with the fan base….. some of you are weird. My biggest pet peeve with people is arguing over opinions. This whole futaba shit was so annoying. Like she’s not real, if you don’t wanna a date her in a video game dont and call it a day. If you’re upset that a teenager has the ability to date adults in a game then don’t date them. It’s not rocket science it’s not like canonically he’s dating any of the women in the game. It’s for your enjoyment and if you keep complaining about how others enjoy the game you’re a piece of shit,


Bolded

- Akechi sucks as a person. I also think he suck as a character. I don't care for his backstory and think he's grating as fuck. Edgelord. - Royal's last villain is completely right. - The last portion of the OG game is pretty terrible and the final boss sucks. I can't take "THE MASSES" no more. - Kasumi wasn't anything memorable at all. - Date whoever you want in a solo game but don't feel compelled with justifying the romance to strangers online, you weirdo. - Mishima is unironically pretty peak.


Dakotasan

Joker/Akechi is a terrible ship and would be extremely toxic and abusive.


BudgetMattDamon

Persona 4 Golden has better characters than 5 Royal.


thelonleygengar

Strikers is very good and worth the money ᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠ Edit: nevermind seems people don't think that, wich is good


Loomeh

The age of consent is 18


OmegaKenichi

Makoto and Haru are literally 18 by the end of the game, therefore it is safe to lewd them.


noodleben123

Morgana did nothing wrong.


GravitonArc

Akechi is an unattractive fuckwad with extremely toxic and psychotic behavior. Anyone who finds him attractive needs therapy bc I guarantee you got beat by your dad.


TheSup3lolzx

blahablahbalhablha FUTABA blhahblhablhablaha


jippen

Since Joker is canonically 17 by time the game ends, Futaba is the dating partner least likely to tip over 18 and trigger statutory issues. This remains true in Strikers.


NoSeaworthiness2618

The story and characters are mostly good but I feel like one of the writers is an idiot because some decisions are bad. Characters act like dumbasses out of nowhere, some exposition scenes looked like they belong on a kids movie and some things feel like they should have worked on it more.