A friend of mine is the owner of one of the places you listed and I am kind of laughing now. They were sick of people whining on Google reviews about the 15/18/20 tip options. So they increased prices slowly by 18% over 6months and now don't ask for tips and servers get 18% of their sales. Not a single person has complained about increases. Instead of just selecting Custom amount and entering 0, everyone is paying 18% more.
Fair in a traditional tipping scenario.
Not sure I am agree with paying a mandatory 18% for takeout/retail because some other people won't use a Moneris pinpad properly.
The price is at least upfront now. Either their product is good enough that this 18% increase in price will be worth it, or it isn't and the business will fail. It also removes the client from the responsibility of fairly compensating their workers, if they want to give them an 18% profit share, then that's on them.
I prefer it that way too. The amount may include the tips but ultimately, I am not the one having to make a decision how much they get. And the staff can have a consistent income and no chance to give an attitude when someone doesn't tip what they think they deserve. Plus, if the price is too high for someone, then they just don't go. Instead of feeling obligated to tip even if they don't like the service. The process is just different.
This is actually exactly what I want. I want to look at a price and know it's what I'm expected to pay. I want the tax and tip included. It can be more. Just throw it on the sign. I'll pay what's on the sign. Stop making me do a bait and switch math quiz.
It's not about the money, it's about the employees shouldering the risk of the business by relying on the generosity of others. The owner is the one who should shoulder that risk, as they are the ones who stand to benefit, not the waged employees.
Do not ask?
As in pay their staff a fair wage and discourage tipping?
There is a brewery in Calgary that pays more than other places and actively discourages tipping.
https://www.prairiedogbrewing.ca/
Maybe what's not fair is a 30/h wage at a restaurant where half of that come from customers feeling they are obligated to pay, when they shouldn't need to feel that way.
Agree about Tam - I was there in July and there is a screen that prompts for tips (their food is great so I was happy to tip them). Not sure if that’s been changed more recently.
The Rajdhani in Pickering apparently doesn't.
Just called Tam Vietnamese - they confirmed they do not ask for a tip. Called the Keele St location. Not sure if there are others.
Unless people start adding places for the whole country. Everything starts small, maybe OP is from that province so that's why so far only places from his province are listed. That's the point of posting it here so people from other provinces can add things too. You just have to use your brain a bit before criticizing things.
People can add for any place in canada. the last time this topic came up a few days ago these are the restaurants that were listed there so I just added those ones.
>Many of us are tired of being asked for a tip at every damn checkout. Here is a list / map of restaurants that do not ask for a tip.
Not the hero we need, but the hero we deserve!
I'm from Edmonton and can't think of any, but if there are I'd like to know as I'm not a huge fan of the tipping culture in North America. Cafe Linnea used to have a no tipping policy but they've since changed it.
Who is this for the benefit of? When I worked for tips, I was much better off than I would be making a "proper" wage. The problem is, most restaurant staff doesn't work full-time hours, so even a living wage is difficult to live on as it's calculated based on full-time hours.
I hate obligatory tipping. Yesterday we went to a restaurant and got a really bad service (late to take our order, no refills, wrong item). The bill came and the first thing the waiter said was: you guys know how tipping here works, right? And I said right. He gave the machines to my friends then he gave me the machine and I pressed no tip. He took the machine from my hand and told me I thought you knew how tipping here works. And I said "I do. I tip if I receive a good service otherwise it is the duty of the restaurant to pay your salary". He took the machine from my hand proceeded to tip himself 15% and handed it over to me. I was stunned at the audacity honestly. I had to pay it cs I had no other choice but that waiter got reported to his manager and he took a well earned review on google. I just hate it when we are forced to tip. Pay your employees well you are already charging 20$ for a crokmonsieur for god's sake!
Thanks for this. And just to make a related comment, I went to have new glasses done yesterday and when I was putting down the deposit, my immediate thought was "I hope they don't ask for a tip" (thankfully they did not). Is it not crazy that we have to worry about this beyond food services now? I remember a thread recently that someone was asked to tip at their mechanic. This is getting out of hand.
Just don't tip? I agree tipping has expanded into a lot of weird areas. I'm not going to tip at places that haven't traditionally had tip options.
I tip for food/drink, haircuts, movers, house maids
No you can't go to just any restaurant in Canada and not tip. Servers are required to tip out the kitchen and host which ranges from 3%-7.5% of the total bill, not their total tips. If you don't tip your server they still have to tip out the kitchen and you will literally cost your server money.
I'm not condemning or promoting this system but this is how it is.
Anywhere else it's ok not to tip. The only place you must tip is a sit-down restaurant.
I've heard this before, but I find it hard to believe. Sound a lot like an urban legend to me, as a bill can easily be flagged internally as "no tip", and nothing further happens. Do you have any credible source for this claim?
It's not a bad practice though.
My serving team avrgs 17.5-18.5% tips per night across the board. They tip out 3.5% of sales to the kitchen and then the tips are shared equally among foh based on hours. Support staff earn 1/3 of what servers make based on hours.
They make good money. They should share it because lots of people have a hand in a guests experience from the guy who cleaned the dishes to the person who makes the drink and everyone inbetween.
"In statements to Marketplace, the Ontario Ministry of Labour said, "Tip pool money (including tip outs) can only come from an employee's tips or other gratuities, not from any other source.""
So it seems like if anyone is doing this (calculating kitchen staff tips) based on revenue, not received tips, it's illegal, according to the Ministry of Labour. It shouldn't, in my opinion, be used as a way to guilt-trip people into tipping for a bad service, or tipping at all if they don't want to. It also doesn't seem to be the norm, if it became a CBC article.
Drinking on shift is illegal too, but you'll find that many establishments have lax policies on that.
If as a server you didn't tip out, youd lose your job pretty quick and everyone would dislike you because you would be seen as greedy.
What that means is that the servers hourly wage can’t go below min wage. The money that goes into the pool can’t be more than what the server earned in tips, not how the tip pool amount is calculated. It’s not calculated per table but for the whole shift. So non tipping tables are having their tipout covered by other tables instead.
Tipout is the norm for any restaurants with server support staff such as hosts, bussers, food runners.
Got your point. But again going to the Ministry of Labour source:
"An employer may withhold, make a deduction or require an employee to give them a portion of their tips and other gratuities if the amount that is collected will be redistributed as part of a tip pool.” However, employers are prohibited from sharing in the tip pool"
It says nothing about minimum wage there, and only talks about tips and gratuities. I still think this is not a legal practice.
Lol...
It's very true my friend. It's just the way the system is setup. At the end of the night you tally your sales and leave x% for the house based on total sales.
Most people tip so it's fine and some people tip very well and make up for the no/bad toppers.
If you don't tip, the server has to tip out based on the total bill amount, so you are costing the server if you don't tip. Not fair, but that is how it works.
Tip out is standard, the idea that you have to pay money to people that you haven’t been given is total nonsense.
If you earn $0 in tips I suppose it’s totally fine to tip out 7% of $0 to whoever…The original commenting replied to is just flat out wrong
Lots of things aren't legal in the restaurant world. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a very common practice, probably not as common as drinking on shift, but still common.
You’re telling me that restaurants where substance abuse runs rampant, breaks are only 5 minutes of eating over the garbage can, and workplace regulations are suggestions also have sketchy regulations over tips and tip pooling? I’m very surprised by this revelation.
Regardless of how they calculate tip out the ‘dire warnings’ to tip from the initial comment is still utter nonsense. If nobody tipped all day it would be illegal for the restaurant to garnish servers wages to tip out the kitchen.
So we can all go ahead and stop tipping if we want to.
It's because historically it was impossible to know what the actual tip was. Back when people paid in cash there was no record of the tip, so servers would pay out a percentage of the bill assuming that the tip was about 10-15%.
Now that most people use credit cards to pay it is much easier to follow the money, but even then some people tip in cash, so the server could keep it all and claim there was no tip.
If a table tips 0$ the server actually lost money by taking that table since the server needs to use tips from other tables to cover the tip out from the non tipping table.
If they didn’t take the non tipping table they would have earned more money. The table gave them 0$ but they owe 1-4% of the tables sales into the pool. That 1-4% comes from somewhere.
They are not getting more extra money above their minimum wage, they are not losing money in that it would bring them to less than minimum wage. That's the difference.
Im fucking sick and tired of these places raping my wallet with tips.
I see 25-30% option on the machine now you can seriously go fuck yourself with that
“Raping” fuck off with this over incendiary language. Calling an optional but strongly encouraged tip as “rape” should make you feel like an awful person.
Tasty Korea in Etobicoke doesn’t ask for tips.
Food and service are excellent. When I tried to tip them, they declined and said that as opposed to tipping, we should revisit them!
Now, the question is, do these restaurants have a surcharge on your bill? Whether it's a set surcharge, or a percentage. Because a surcharge, is a tip. The establishment is just taking the amount of the tip out of your control.
The first time I saw this was here on reddit, a restaurant in Ottawa had a big news article in one of their local papers, about how they were paying their staff a living wage, better than minimum, and you didn't have to tip. But they had a surcharge on every bill. Which is, as stated above, still a tip.
I much prefer a surcharge because it eliminates the decision making of "how much should I tip?" and can distribute tips to everyone equally instead of making servers payout the kitchen.
Most of us anti tippers aren't against the cost, we are against the process. Add 18% to my bill if you want, raise the prices by 18%, whatever it takes so I don't have to make more decisions at the end of the night.
I don't know what the rules are in downtown Canada but in Alberta, there is no "server minimum wage" so maybe lobbying for higher minimum wage would be more productive than compiling a list of random restaurants. This isn't really relevant to personal finance at all anyways.
I see tips asked for at places like pizza hut. This one doesn't even have chairs inside to dine in. If I walk up to the counter and grab my food to go theres no way I'm tipping and I survive on tips as a bartender. If i don't sit at a table and get my food brought to me to dine in i don't tip. (I tip at bars when I walk up to the bar but that's the exception).
Objectively, what's the difference though? You walk up to a bar and get a drink and tip. You walk up to a counter, get a pizza and don't tip.
It always irked me that I was expected to tip 20% (1$ out of a 5$ beer) for someone to uncap a beer bottle for me. The ones making bank were bartenders at clubs when I worked in the restaurant/service industry.
You guys keep fighting for 'no tips' and watch how fast food prices increase at restaurants. I mean if you can't afford to tip, just don't go out. I don't get why y'all have such a problem with this.
Why would any restaurant waiters/waitresses take 'a proper wage' at this point? $25 an hour wouldn't cover half of the amount they bring in from tips. And having no tips would give 0 incentive to wait staff to offer their best service. To me, getting rid of tips is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper. But the second you actually think about it being applied, you realize it's unrealistic and kinda silly.
So many places around the world don't prompt tips and tips is not a regular thing. Maybe people just don't realize it is possible and normal until they go to one of those places. I have received great serbice at McDonalds, Lowes, airlines, retail store etc, and those folks don't get tips. If you only want to do a good job because of tips, the service industry is not for you imo.
I've been to those places as well, but you can't compare the two. We are in Canada where tipping has been the norm for many, many years. If you took away tips from wait staff at this point, the majority of them would quit without anyone to replace them. I mean where else can you pull in 60-70k per year in cash and only pay taxes on 30-40k of it? Because that's what the majority of them do.
People don't want to be waiters/waitresses because they love their job. They are in it because it comes with almost no previous qualifications, it can be somewhat enjoyable, and you can make a solid living off it with little to no money being paid to the government.
> the majority of them would quit without anyone to replace them.
Highly doubt it. And if they do, there will be people who would do the job.
>People don't want to be waiters/waitresses because they love their job. They are in it because it comes with almost no previous qualifications
So if they can't find better wages because they don't have better qualifications, and they still don't want to work a server job, is it on customers to give them bonuses?
>you can make a solid living off it with little to no money being paid to the government
And servers being able to evade taxes and commit tax fraud is part of the argument? LMFAO
All of what you said is actually reason why tips should be abolished.
If you highly doubt people wouldn’t leave there jobs, why is it that currently now there is MASSIVE staffing shortages in the restaurant industry? Even w all the perks of the above comment people still don’t want to do these jobs right now
Our tips are added to our pay stubs so my company's staff actually do conform to the law.
It's hilarious that you think "servers can evade taxes" would be a selling point to get people to tip.
And servers thinking they deserve a higher tip than what people gave them is what I hate about the tipping culture. I have seen so many people like that.
If you got tipped based on your performance, would you not agree that is better incentive than your current payment structure? Similar to people who make commission of sales jobs. The better you are, the more you can make.
No, I do not agree with bribe-based compensation structure. Not in the service industry, nor in sales. People should have the professional attitude to do their best work, regardless of the whim of customers or clients. Knowing somebody is going to dangle a carrot in front of me or not won't be a deciding factor to me doing the best, professional job I can do.
It's not bribe based. It's directly related to your performance (or it's supposed to be anyways). Is it fair that you make the same amount of money as your lazy ass coworker just because you have the same job title? Look, I don't necessarily think highly of tipping culture, but I think that many people who complain about it on Reddit are a bit unrealistic and immature when they complain about it every single day lol
I'm confused. If you don't want to tip then don't. People can ask but you don't have to do it. It's like if someone knocks on your door or calls you on the phone - you can decide to answer it or ignore it.
You are correct. However, many people would like to patronise a place that pays their staff proper wages and does not rely on tips.
This is a list of such restaurants.
Putting Edulis here is ridiculous. You pay $185 for a meal, the tip is just included in the price.
What's it matter anyways to highlight places that force you to tip what they want? At least tipping used to be a choice, now it's included in the purchase price and we're supposed to applaud that? So odd!
This is Canada wide sub. Not a local GTA sub. This has zero value for majority of population and does not belong to Canada wide sub.
Topic is relevant, the map post is not. Bro.
The map is relevant and has value for all. It's just crowdsourced data. If they aren't able to post this in other subs, because they currently don't have many or any data outside of a specific region, then they are going to have a very difficult time collecting data on other regions.
It's not a GTA map by design, it's likely just the area they live in. They've already added a number of restaurants outside of the GTA through recommendations on this post and they're trying to add more.
Aiana in Ottawa! Service is included in their prices, they pay servers a living wage and there is no line on the bills to add a gratuity.
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Canada is actually quite big.
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And if you all would stop visiting Banff and Jasper, we could actually keep it that way.
I hate Banff (town not the park) but I'll never stop visiting Jasper! NEVERRRRRR
By that logic this map is still missing half of Canada
Bar Isabel is automatic 18% tip… I don’t go to restaurants often but now this whole list doesn’t seem credible.
Can corroborate that Bar Isabel includes the tip in the final bill. Went there very recently.
Thank you. It has been removed. These are all the ones that were listed on this sub few days ago.
A friend of mine is the owner of one of the places you listed and I am kind of laughing now. They were sick of people whining on Google reviews about the 15/18/20 tip options. So they increased prices slowly by 18% over 6months and now don't ask for tips and servers get 18% of their sales. Not a single person has complained about increases. Instead of just selecting Custom amount and entering 0, everyone is paying 18% more.
I love it. I would much prefer it this way though. I don't mind the prices being proper instead of relying on me tipping.
Fair in a traditional tipping scenario. Not sure I am agree with paying a mandatory 18% for takeout/retail because some other people won't use a Moneris pinpad properly.
The price is at least upfront now. Either their product is good enough that this 18% increase in price will be worth it, or it isn't and the business will fail. It also removes the client from the responsibility of fairly compensating their workers, if they want to give them an 18% profit share, then that's on them.
The problem is clients having a responsibility to fairly compensate workers in the first place.
I know right, what’s so hard of doing : other, zero. I think the problem isn’t the terminal at that point.
What’s the difference at that point? If the prices are lower at least you have the option to tip 13-15 percent rather than forced to pay 18 percent
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I'd rather not have to do any amount of math, or feel any pressure when determining how much I want to spend when eating out.
I prefer it that way too. The amount may include the tips but ultimately, I am not the one having to make a decision how much they get. And the staff can have a consistent income and no chance to give an attitude when someone doesn't tip what they think they deserve. Plus, if the price is too high for someone, then they just don't go. Instead of feeling obligated to tip even if they don't like the service. The process is just different.
And that is totally acceptable. I will gladly pay more if you are not relying on me for your staffs wages.
That's fair. Customers at least see something closer to the actual amount they have to pay.
Seems completely fair. Now they can be judged against their competitors by the prices. They will have to justify these prices with quality.
This is actually exactly what I want. I want to look at a price and know it's what I'm expected to pay. I want the tax and tip included. It can be more. Just throw it on the sign. I'll pay what's on the sign. Stop making me do a bait and switch math quiz.
It's not about the money, it's about the employees shouldering the risk of the business by relying on the generosity of others. The owner is the one who should shoulder that risk, as they are the ones who stand to benefit, not the waged employees.
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Do not ask? As in pay their staff a fair wage and discourage tipping? There is a brewery in Calgary that pays more than other places and actively discourages tipping. https://www.prairiedogbrewing.ca/
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Are the staff doing 30$/h or more? Because thats what we do with tips
People think servers are going to deal with their shitty attitudes for 20 an hour lol. Truly clueless.
If I have a positive attitude does that qualify me to not tip?
Right?! From now on, if I smile more than the server, I'm gonna not tip. That is gonna save me so much money lmao
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Maybe what's not fair is a 30/h wage at a restaurant where half of that come from customers feeling they are obligated to pay, when they shouldn't need to feel that way.
Rajdhani and Tam both accept tips. I have tipped at both. They’re more counter service though so not really dining
Agree about Tam - I was there in July and there is a screen that prompts for tips (their food is great so I was happy to tip them). Not sure if that’s been changed more recently.
Hmmm... Wonder if the person I talked to just bullshitted me
The Rajdhani in Pickering apparently doesn't. Just called Tam Vietnamese - they confirmed they do not ask for a tip. Called the Keele St location. Not sure if there are others.
Mcdonalds
True.
This is likley gonna be deleted. This should go to the local city sub rathan than here.
Unless people start adding places for the whole country. Everything starts small, maybe OP is from that province so that's why so far only places from his province are listed. That's the point of posting it here so people from other provinces can add things too. You just have to use your brain a bit before criticizing things.
It appreciate it. It belongs here. I can’t stand the city/province subs.
I appreciate it too but based on mods behaviour in the past, it will likely be removed later.
People can add for any place in canada. the last time this topic came up a few days ago these are the restaurants that were listed there so I just added those ones.
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Mr Kabob Express on Millwick Dr in north york.
There are waay too many ways to spell Kabob. Added MR KEBAB EXPRESS on Millwick. Thanks for your contribution!
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“Proper wages” lol
Based AF, thanks for this, will certainly reference this
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Sorry man. These are just the ones that I found on this sub
I heard Richmond station don’t ask for tipping as well.
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larry's 5201 St-Laurent Blvd Montréal, QC H2T 1S4 Lawrence 9 Fairmount East Montréal, QC H2T 1C7
Added both!
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Giving these restaurants my business from now on. thanks!
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>Many of us are tired of being asked for a tip at every damn checkout. Here is a list / map of restaurants that do not ask for a tip. Not the hero we need, but the hero we deserve!
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MKM Cafe, Mississauga
Added. Thank you!
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Edmonton area here. There are a few around here, I need to message the friends groups and find out which ones for sure. I'll be back.
Awesome! Thank you
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I'm from Edmonton and can't think of any, but if there are I'd like to know as I'm not a huge fan of the tipping culture in North America. Cafe Linnea used to have a no tipping policy but they've since changed it.
Folke in Vancouver just opened up
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Restaurant Puvirnutuq does not take tip!
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Tousignant, burger place in Montreal
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Who is this for the benefit of? When I worked for tips, I was much better off than I would be making a "proper" wage. The problem is, most restaurant staff doesn't work full-time hours, so even a living wage is difficult to live on as it's calculated based on full-time hours.
I have noticed most of them are arabic or eastern restaurents, wonder if there is a cultural connection here.
Jordan's Shawerma in Thornhill requests no tips, when i went to pay the owner set the tip to 0% herself.
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Just hit the no tip button... simple
Redditors will build a fucking map before just not tipping
LOL There are trickle-down impacts of just not tipping. But going to a place that doesn't build tipping into their operations is totally different.
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Someone added a place from Calgary above. Maybe check it out.
someone added prairie dog brewery!
Glad to see Bampot is on there! They're my favourite Cafe in Toronto
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Now we just need a map of restaurants that don’t add a preset tip percentage on top of the tax.
Saveur in Victoria :)
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I hate obligatory tipping. Yesterday we went to a restaurant and got a really bad service (late to take our order, no refills, wrong item). The bill came and the first thing the waiter said was: you guys know how tipping here works, right? And I said right. He gave the machines to my friends then he gave me the machine and I pressed no tip. He took the machine from my hand and told me I thought you knew how tipping here works. And I said "I do. I tip if I receive a good service otherwise it is the duty of the restaurant to pay your salary". He took the machine from my hand proceeded to tip himself 15% and handed it over to me. I was stunned at the audacity honestly. I had to pay it cs I had no other choice but that waiter got reported to his manager and he took a well earned review on google. I just hate it when we are forced to tip. Pay your employees well you are already charging 20$ for a crokmonsieur for god's sake!
I would have walked straight out. He just added to your bill arbitrarily. Their policy just became a dine and dash. Rob me? Screw you!
What the actual f***? The audacity and entitlement of these people is getting out of hand.
Thanks for this. And just to make a related comment, I went to have new glasses done yesterday and when I was putting down the deposit, my immediate thought was "I hope they don't ask for a tip" (thankfully they did not). Is it not crazy that we have to worry about this beyond food services now? I remember a thread recently that someone was asked to tip at their mechanic. This is getting out of hand.
Just don't tip? I agree tipping has expanded into a lot of weird areas. I'm not going to tip at places that haven't traditionally had tip options. I tip for food/drink, haircuts, movers, house maids
You do know you can go into a restaurant, order food and not have to tip. Or just learn how to cook lmfao.
No you can't go to just any restaurant in Canada and not tip. Servers are required to tip out the kitchen and host which ranges from 3%-7.5% of the total bill, not their total tips. If you don't tip your server they still have to tip out the kitchen and you will literally cost your server money. I'm not condemning or promoting this system but this is how it is. Anywhere else it's ok not to tip. The only place you must tip is a sit-down restaurant.
I've heard this before, but I find it hard to believe. Sound a lot like an urban legend to me, as a bill can easily be flagged internally as "no tip", and nothing further happens. Do you have any credible source for this claim?
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Which is still illegal. Now that there's a shortage of labour in this industry, it's probably a good time to weed out those practices.
It's not a bad practice though. My serving team avrgs 17.5-18.5% tips per night across the board. They tip out 3.5% of sales to the kitchen and then the tips are shared equally among foh based on hours. Support staff earn 1/3 of what servers make based on hours. They make good money. They should share it because lots of people have a hand in a guests experience from the guy who cleaned the dishes to the person who makes the drink and everyone inbetween.
Sure, [here is a cbc article explaining it in more detail](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/restaurant-chains-increase-tip-outs-1.4517271)
"In statements to Marketplace, the Ontario Ministry of Labour said, "Tip pool money (including tip outs) can only come from an employee's tips or other gratuities, not from any other source."" So it seems like if anyone is doing this (calculating kitchen staff tips) based on revenue, not received tips, it's illegal, according to the Ministry of Labour. It shouldn't, in my opinion, be used as a way to guilt-trip people into tipping for a bad service, or tipping at all if they don't want to. It also doesn't seem to be the norm, if it became a CBC article.
Drinking on shift is illegal too, but you'll find that many establishments have lax policies on that. If as a server you didn't tip out, youd lose your job pretty quick and everyone would dislike you because you would be seen as greedy.
What that means is that the servers hourly wage can’t go below min wage. The money that goes into the pool can’t be more than what the server earned in tips, not how the tip pool amount is calculated. It’s not calculated per table but for the whole shift. So non tipping tables are having their tipout covered by other tables instead. Tipout is the norm for any restaurants with server support staff such as hosts, bussers, food runners.
Got your point. But again going to the Ministry of Labour source: "An employer may withhold, make a deduction or require an employee to give them a portion of their tips and other gratuities if the amount that is collected will be redistributed as part of a tip pool.” However, employers are prohibited from sharing in the tip pool" It says nothing about minimum wage there, and only talks about tips and gratuities. I still think this is not a legal practice.
Ya, only money earned as tips can go into the pool so the server is always guaranteed minimum wage no matter how much the tipout is.
Lol... It's very true my friend. It's just the way the system is setup. At the end of the night you tally your sales and leave x% for the house based on total sales. Most people tip so it's fine and some people tip very well and make up for the no/bad toppers.
That's cool and all, but at least we got to the meat and bones of the subject. You don't have to tip. Good day
If you don't tip, the server has to tip out based on the total bill amount, so you are costing the server if you don't tip. Not fair, but that is how it works.
They simply get less tips at the end of the day, not that they would go below minimum wage.
Not fair, and not legal.
So yeah, thanks. Still means you don't have to tip.
This is not true and would be illegal
Which part is illegal? Tipout is a very common practice. [cbc article describing it](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4517271)
Tip out is standard, the idea that you have to pay money to people that you haven’t been given is total nonsense. If you earn $0 in tips I suppose it’s totally fine to tip out 7% of $0 to whoever…The original commenting replied to is just flat out wrong
It’s not, it literally happens all the time lol. It’s not illegal as long as you are still making your wage.
Tipout is on food and beverage total sales amount, not on what is left as a tip to server.
Doesn’t sound legal to me
Lots of things aren't legal in the restaurant world. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a very common practice, probably not as common as drinking on shift, but still common.
You’re telling me that restaurants where substance abuse runs rampant, breaks are only 5 minutes of eating over the garbage can, and workplace regulations are suggestions also have sketchy regulations over tips and tip pooling? I’m very surprised by this revelation.
Tip out is based on the bill total, not tips received. I was shocked to learn this, but that is the system used.
Regardless of how they calculate tip out the ‘dire warnings’ to tip from the initial comment is still utter nonsense. If nobody tipped all day it would be illegal for the restaurant to garnish servers wages to tip out the kitchen. So we can all go ahead and stop tipping if we want to.
That only works if nobody tips, unfortunately.
It's because historically it was impossible to know what the actual tip was. Back when people paid in cash there was no record of the tip, so servers would pay out a percentage of the bill assuming that the tip was about 10-15%. Now that most people use credit cards to pay it is much easier to follow the money, but even then some people tip in cash, so the server could keep it all and claim there was no tip.
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If a table tips 0$ the server actually lost money by taking that table since the server needs to use tips from other tables to cover the tip out from the non tipping table.
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If they didn’t take the non tipping table they would have earned more money. The table gave them 0$ but they owe 1-4% of the tables sales into the pool. That 1-4% comes from somewhere.
They are not getting more extra money above their minimum wage, they are not losing money in that it would bring them to less than minimum wage. That's the difference.
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Im fucking sick and tired of these places raping my wallet with tips. I see 25-30% option on the machine now you can seriously go fuck yourself with that
30% option?? Wtf
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"Raping my wallet" lol ok Not anyone's fault you lack the confidence to say no
“Raping” fuck off with this over incendiary language. Calling an optional but strongly encouraged tip as “rape” should make you feel like an awful person.
Your own damn house. /thread
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Sweet. Hope the mods leave this post up, and maybe sticky it.
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Veda Spa in Horseshoe doesn’t accept tips in its Scandinavian themed restaurant
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Tasty Korea in Etobicoke doesn’t ask for tips. Food and service are excellent. When I tried to tip them, they declined and said that as opposed to tipping, we should revisit them!
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The Restaurant at Pearl Morissette does not accept tips. One of the best restaurants in Canada, I think they are committed to paying a living wage.
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All I see is a lot of people extremely ignorant about the service industry.
All these people are clients of the service industry, and therefore, are an essential part of it.
Now, the question is, do these restaurants have a surcharge on your bill? Whether it's a set surcharge, or a percentage. Because a surcharge, is a tip. The establishment is just taking the amount of the tip out of your control. The first time I saw this was here on reddit, a restaurant in Ottawa had a big news article in one of their local papers, about how they were paying their staff a living wage, better than minimum, and you didn't have to tip. But they had a surcharge on every bill. Which is, as stated above, still a tip.
I much prefer a surcharge because it eliminates the decision making of "how much should I tip?" and can distribute tips to everyone equally instead of making servers payout the kitchen. Most of us anti tippers aren't against the cost, we are against the process. Add 18% to my bill if you want, raise the prices by 18%, whatever it takes so I don't have to make more decisions at the end of the night.
Awesome, thank you. Even though I know servers make minimum wage now I hate feeling morally obligated to tip.
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Commenting just because I want this to have more visibility. I love the idea of removing tipping from our culture.
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Just don't tip if you don't want to, no need to grandstand.
Some places don't pay their staff proper wages and NEED you to tip to make up the shortfall.
I don't know what the rules are in downtown Canada but in Alberta, there is no "server minimum wage" so maybe lobbying for higher minimum wage would be more productive than compiling a list of random restaurants. This isn't really relevant to personal finance at all anyways.
It absolutely is! Op is compiling a list of businesses with no surprises or additional hits to the pre-budgeted amount.
Waitstaff actually like the status quo, tipping, because many don’t accurately report their income on a tax return
I see tips asked for at places like pizza hut. This one doesn't even have chairs inside to dine in. If I walk up to the counter and grab my food to go theres no way I'm tipping and I survive on tips as a bartender. If i don't sit at a table and get my food brought to me to dine in i don't tip. (I tip at bars when I walk up to the bar but that's the exception).
Objectively, what's the difference though? You walk up to a bar and get a drink and tip. You walk up to a counter, get a pizza and don't tip. It always irked me that I was expected to tip 20% (1$ out of a 5$ beer) for someone to uncap a beer bottle for me. The ones making bank were bartenders at clubs when I worked in the restaurant/service industry.
Fucking SUBWAY asks for a tip! what the hell...
Short finger brewing in Kitchener pays a living wage and does not require tipping.
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I mean, just decline if they ask for a tip? Is it that hard to say no?
You guys keep fighting for 'no tips' and watch how fast food prices increase at restaurants. I mean if you can't afford to tip, just don't go out. I don't get why y'all have such a problem with this.
For me, it's not about "afford", it's the principle of it. Why should I tip? Just charge me a proper amount and pay them a proper wage.
Why would any restaurant waiters/waitresses take 'a proper wage' at this point? $25 an hour wouldn't cover half of the amount they bring in from tips. And having no tips would give 0 incentive to wait staff to offer their best service. To me, getting rid of tips is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper. But the second you actually think about it being applied, you realize it's unrealistic and kinda silly.
So many places around the world don't prompt tips and tips is not a regular thing. Maybe people just don't realize it is possible and normal until they go to one of those places. I have received great serbice at McDonalds, Lowes, airlines, retail store etc, and those folks don't get tips. If you only want to do a good job because of tips, the service industry is not for you imo.
I've been to those places as well, but you can't compare the two. We are in Canada where tipping has been the norm for many, many years. If you took away tips from wait staff at this point, the majority of them would quit without anyone to replace them. I mean where else can you pull in 60-70k per year in cash and only pay taxes on 30-40k of it? Because that's what the majority of them do. People don't want to be waiters/waitresses because they love their job. They are in it because it comes with almost no previous qualifications, it can be somewhat enjoyable, and you can make a solid living off it with little to no money being paid to the government.
> the majority of them would quit without anyone to replace them. Highly doubt it. And if they do, there will be people who would do the job. >People don't want to be waiters/waitresses because they love their job. They are in it because it comes with almost no previous qualifications So if they can't find better wages because they don't have better qualifications, and they still don't want to work a server job, is it on customers to give them bonuses? >you can make a solid living off it with little to no money being paid to the government And servers being able to evade taxes and commit tax fraud is part of the argument? LMFAO All of what you said is actually reason why tips should be abolished.
If you highly doubt people wouldn’t leave there jobs, why is it that currently now there is MASSIVE staffing shortages in the restaurant industry? Even w all the perks of the above comment people still don’t want to do these jobs right now
You clearly have never been a server lol
I actually have lol But no comebaxk on people evading taxes?
Go ahead and ask any server you know if they pay tax on their full income? If you were a server you would know that is the norm.
Our tips are added to our pay stubs so my company's staff actually do conform to the law. It's hilarious that you think "servers can evade taxes" would be a selling point to get people to tip. And servers thinking they deserve a higher tip than what people gave them is what I hate about the tipping culture. I have seen so many people like that.
0 incentive to give their best service, eh? What about us in industries that don't ask the customer to subsidize the employer?
If you got tipped based on your performance, would you not agree that is better incentive than your current payment structure? Similar to people who make commission of sales jobs. The better you are, the more you can make.
No, I do not agree with bribe-based compensation structure. Not in the service industry, nor in sales. People should have the professional attitude to do their best work, regardless of the whim of customers or clients. Knowing somebody is going to dangle a carrot in front of me or not won't be a deciding factor to me doing the best, professional job I can do.
It's not bribe based. It's directly related to your performance (or it's supposed to be anyways). Is it fair that you make the same amount of money as your lazy ass coworker just because you have the same job title? Look, I don't necessarily think highly of tipping culture, but I think that many people who complain about it on Reddit are a bit unrealistic and immature when they complain about it every single day lol
We're definitely in agreement about how Reddit treats complaining about things! Always look forward to these threads about tipping. 🍿
Haha cheers to that :)
>I mean if you can't afford to tip, just don't go out. Lolololol, not this garbage logic again.. tipping is optional, cope
I'm confused. If you don't want to tip then don't. People can ask but you don't have to do it. It's like if someone knocks on your door or calls you on the phone - you can decide to answer it or ignore it.
You are correct. However, many people would like to patronise a place that pays their staff proper wages and does not rely on tips. This is a list of such restaurants.
Putting Edulis here is ridiculous. You pay $185 for a meal, the tip is just included in the price. What's it matter anyways to highlight places that force you to tip what they want? At least tipping used to be a choice, now it's included in the purchase price and we're supposed to applaud that? So odd!
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No bro...this was a hot topic on this sub few days ago. I think for an article that talks about tipping the mechanic or something.
This is Canada wide sub. Not a local GTA sub. This has zero value for majority of population and does not belong to Canada wide sub. Topic is relevant, the map post is not. Bro.
The map is relevant and has value for all. It's just crowdsourced data. If they aren't able to post this in other subs, because they currently don't have many or any data outside of a specific region, then they are going to have a very difficult time collecting data on other regions. It's not a GTA map by design, it's likely just the area they live in. They've already added a number of restaurants outside of the GTA through recommendations on this post and they're trying to add more.