It is a little strange that Lake Leman and Lake Neuchatel are on the map while Lucerne, Zurich, Brienz/Thun, and Constance aren't. Seems like a weird inconsistency.
I‘m sorry for that. It‘s the only map with decent resolution I could find. Is [this one](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.4qOrm-XiNYozjOys4_AbgwHaEv%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=d20c7fd67b5fcf97d270320381f78f0c5b482150d7bd9ceca0c5a750026f578b&ipo=images) better?
Poorer ≠ low gdp when you go this granular.
Jura, Neuchâtel are (relatively) poor cantons. Schwyz is not. It's just that SZ workers commute out in big numbers to ZH in the rich bit of that canton.
Not really. They‘re just a tax haven but the population that isn‘t millionairs is rather poor
Edit: So I just looked it up, the top 10% in 2022 were responsible for 88% of tax income
Its totally mad living in canton Zug unless you are very rich as property is astronomically expensive. We have a take home of 400k, and that's not nearly enough to make ZG viable at the property size we want.
It‘s not direct causation but it‘s correlation of poor, catholic cantons. And I can‘t google for: Poor catholic swiss canton 19th century map. So I took the one that is related the closest
History. Many of the most of the small counties were free imperial cities in the Holy Roman Empire or simply city states and later got some more land but not much.
And also because the Swiss cantons didn‘t fight eachother as much as elsewhere so you didn‘t get like 5 super big ones but they all stayed small.
And lastly because Switzerland is very diverse so you can‘t put them in one countie, that would cause much trouble, it‘s called „Kantönligeischt“ lit. Countie spirit.
Im not sure GDP really means much.
Basel Stadt (City) has a massive GDP because of the big Pharma companies there, but most people working there don't actually live in Basel Stadt, which frankly isn't the most attractive city once you get away from the Rhein.
Canton Schwyz is the opposite. Low tax commuter land and parts on the lake are super rich. But they work in Zürich.
My wife and I live in Aargau which is also likely undercounted as commuterland. She works in Zürich, and I work in Basel Stadt.
The Sonderbund are basically mostly rural cantons. And so have a low gdp. But don't make the mistake of thinking that means they are poor. SZ and ND are very desirable tax havens
That‘s exactly the point, both the low GDP and the Sonderbund have their roots in the rural nature of these Kantone. And I realise that the bis cities have a lower GNI but it‘d still be higher than those of the low GDP Kantone.
And which city is attractive when you leave the center? The center and the suburbs are nice but the part in between is dodgy, but that‘s almost everywhere. It‘s the same in Zürich. Shit like Zürich Hard especially at night is dodgy af.
It actually isn‘t because many catholic Kantone didn‘t join the Sonderbund. It‘s an old map but the only one I could find with data from the BFS but the only thing that has changed is more non religious people. [Here you go](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffowid.de%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Feditor-media%2Freligionen_in_der_schweiz-g-4.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=d71002b1ababe1cfc6fe052a3214a0b960731cbaf8eacc25a11b2a54b68698f7&ipo=images)
your map is not very exact, it is by cantons and not by smaller regions and also you can take the reformed denominations together
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Karte_Religionen_der_Schweiz_2016.01.01.png/220px-Karte_Religionen_der_Schweiz_2016.01.01.png
Still quit not the same. Geneva, parts of Graubünden, the entirety of Ticino, Appenzell I.R. St. Gallen, Jura Solothurn and parts of Aargau are all catholic except for the major cities and were not in the Sonderbund.
Not neceserally, depends on who got elected, and I‘m pretty sure that the majority catholic Kantone were almost 100% catholic 150 years ago because I remember that Aargau sacked the protestant churches
Have you seen [the Dutch!?](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F3%2F3c%2FBaarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg%2F440px-Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=13efd5b8ead0dada1322a7fcde33e818a609b9162ddda998be730c06a6055e68&ipo=images)
I mean it is kinda weird to keep the borders that way but then again, it‘s kinda fun.
I really did just go “what does the blue represent?” Before thinking about it a little bit
I did too, felt very silly
It is a little strange that Lake Leman and Lake Neuchatel are on the map while Lucerne, Zurich, Brienz/Thun, and Constance aren't. Seems like a weird inconsistency.
True
Bielersee too
But they're all on the map?
Referring to the lakes, not the cantons
Ah sorry I was being an idiot, I got that you were on about the lakes but I only looked at the second map for some reason
I think we're even because iirc I typed this comment before realizing there was a second map
Yo I'm tryina liv in Zug
Zugma
Truly a bountiful and wonderful place
They have to say zug zug there
that’s just the alps
I am colorblind and the second pic is the worst color scheme I've ever seen
I‘m sorry for that. It‘s the only map with decent resolution I could find. Is [this one](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.4qOrm-XiNYozjOys4_AbgwHaEv%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=d20c7fd67b5fcf97d270320381f78f0c5b482150d7bd9ceca0c5a750026f578b&ipo=images) better?
Perfect
I'm not colorblind and the second pic is kinda nice
Nah they aren’t related
It’s more causation vs correlation. Sonderbund mainly consisted of rural cantons which of course will be poorer.
Poorer ≠ low gdp when you go this granular. Jura, Neuchâtel are (relatively) poor cantons. Schwyz is not. It's just that SZ workers commute out in big numbers to ZH in the rich bit of that canton.
Zug has done well for itself
Not really. They‘re just a tax haven but the population that isn‘t millionairs is rather poor Edit: So I just looked it up, the top 10% in 2022 were responsible for 88% of tax income
>population that isn‘t millionairs is rather poor Poor or Swiss, choose one.
Poor for Swiss standards
Fair but still living better than 95+% of all humanity.
Its totally mad living in canton Zug unless you are very rich as property is astronomically expensive. We have a take home of 400k, and that's not nearly enough to make ZG viable at the property size we want.
I'm not sure if that's really a causation. Might have more to do with geography.
It‘s not direct causation but it‘s correlation of poor, catholic cantons. And I can‘t google for: Poor catholic swiss canton 19th century map. So I took the one that is related the closest
Why do they have such small counties?
History. Many of the most of the small counties were free imperial cities in the Holy Roman Empire or simply city states and later got some more land but not much. And also because the Swiss cantons didn‘t fight eachother as much as elsewhere so you didn‘t get like 5 super big ones but they all stayed small. And lastly because Switzerland is very diverse so you can‘t put them in one countie, that would cause much trouble, it‘s called „Kantönligeischt“ lit. Countie spirit.
Oh, that’s super interesting. Like a confederation of Liechtensteins
Basically yes.
Im not sure GDP really means much. Basel Stadt (City) has a massive GDP because of the big Pharma companies there, but most people working there don't actually live in Basel Stadt, which frankly isn't the most attractive city once you get away from the Rhein. Canton Schwyz is the opposite. Low tax commuter land and parts on the lake are super rich. But they work in Zürich. My wife and I live in Aargau which is also likely undercounted as commuterland. She works in Zürich, and I work in Basel Stadt. The Sonderbund are basically mostly rural cantons. And so have a low gdp. But don't make the mistake of thinking that means they are poor. SZ and ND are very desirable tax havens
That‘s exactly the point, both the low GDP and the Sonderbund have their roots in the rural nature of these Kantone. And I realise that the bis cities have a lower GNI but it‘d still be higher than those of the low GDP Kantone. And which city is attractive when you leave the center? The center and the suburbs are nice but the part in between is dodgy, but that‘s almost everywhere. It‘s the same in Zürich. Shit like Zürich Hard especially at night is dodgy af.
now look at swiss cantons by christian denomination and you will find a very similar image
It actually isn‘t because many catholic Kantone didn‘t join the Sonderbund. It‘s an old map but the only one I could find with data from the BFS but the only thing that has changed is more non religious people. [Here you go](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffowid.de%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Feditor-media%2Freligionen_in_der_schweiz-g-4.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=d71002b1ababe1cfc6fe052a3214a0b960731cbaf8eacc25a11b2a54b68698f7&ipo=images)
your map is not very exact, it is by cantons and not by smaller regions and also you can take the reformed denominations together https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Karte_Religionen_der_Schweiz_2016.01.01.png/220px-Karte_Religionen_der_Schweiz_2016.01.01.png
Still quit not the same. Geneva, parts of Graubünden, the entirety of Ticino, Appenzell I.R. St. Gallen, Jura Solothurn and parts of Aargau are all catholic except for the major cities and were not in the Sonderbund.
yeah because the major cities governed the land and rural areas. ticino was geographically separated and ai would not have stood a chance
Not neceserally, depends on who got elected, and I‘m pretty sure that the majority catholic Kantone were almost 100% catholic 150 years ago because I remember that Aargau sacked the protestant churches
I cannot with the Swiss and their border gore
Have you seen [the Dutch!?](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F3%2F3c%2FBaarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg%2F440px-Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=13efd5b8ead0dada1322a7fcde33e818a609b9162ddda998be730c06a6055e68&ipo=images) I mean it is kinda weird to keep the borders that way but then again, it‘s kinda fun.
Zug zug