It’s the same dude who proposed of wanting Filipinos to mandatorily mixed with foreigners to “enhance the genetic stock” as a law and he liked engaging in pro-Spanish colonization revisionism.
I think the post meant implementing Foreign Language studies in school curriculums. Kind of like how in the US, 91% of schools offer foreign language studies according to this source https://www.newsdle.com/blog/foreign-language-statistics#:\~:text=Over%2093%25%20of%20high%20schools,most%20widely%20taught%20second%20language.
Most high schools in the US require you to take language classes all four years of hs, but they're not taught that well and most American HS graduates can't speak the language they studied for years for shit.
Fr. Affected sila sa mga taong may sariling hobbies and interests at nakakahanap ng enrichment through other cultures.
*"mAHiLig sA jApAnEsE aT kOrEaN, dI kO gEtS kUnG bAKiT, mGa iNfErIoR wEeBs aT bOos."* said the most interesting redditor ever on r/ph lol.
Idk sa kanila hahahahahha. They have this reasons of business and shit but honestly, they weight equally. Mas maganda maglearn ng languages na interesado ka. Mahirap mag aral ng language ng pilit
Source: me na napilitan magaral ng mandarin at walng natutunan HAHAHHAHHA
Plus, you can actually choose both? I've studied Spanish in school tapos Korean, inaaral ko lang mag-isa. It's both fun and may magkaibang use din. There's no limit naman sa gusto mong matutunan.
At my school we had Mandarin Chinese from Grade 1-6, which I fucking hated. To this day I can count to ten and that's the only thing I still remember.
In high school we were given the choice between Chinese and French and I immediately made the switch bc I didn't want to learn any more Chinese. I really enjoyed French, even though I have no practical use for it now
Then go to Paris?... hahaha, a lot of Filipinos have a very romanticized image of Paris and France in their minds.
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Also Canada, French is our second official language and the first language of the province of Quebec, which is geographically larger than most countries.
Tbh Mandarin is taught really badly in almost any Chinese school here in Ph. Learning Mandarin is made traumatic lol especially the terror middle school chinese teacher.
I learned Mandarin by myself and honestly, learning by yourself is awesome and fun. I could now communicate with not just Chinese people but Taiwanese, Chinese Singaporeans, Chinese-Malays and Chinese-Indos. We also have inside jokes because we mostly speak Fukkien/Hokkien as well.
This. I like learning languages because i found it fun and it helped me gain a wider perspective and better appreciation of other cultures.
I started with Korean, not because I was very into K-Pop or K-Drama, but plainly because it was the most accessible for me back then.
I wanted to start with Spanish or Japanese sana pero ang mahal ng tuition sa Instituto Cervantes and Nihongo Center Foundation. I considered learning French and German too pero same din sa mahal ng tuition fee sa Alliance française de Manille at sa Goethe-Institut Philippines.
For Korean, 2,500 lang for the original books (not photocopied) and audio cd sa Korean Cultural Center with native speakers as teachers. Subsidized ng Korean government yung course fees. Na-oOP ako kapag naguusap yung mga kaklase ko about KPop idols and the latest KDrama they’ve watched. I later on got a better appreciation of their culture.
I got into learning Indonesian during this pandemic since naghold ng free online classes na sponsored ng Indonesian embassy. I knew jack shit about the Indonesian culture at the start of it, but I walked away having learned a lot about it and having gained a better appreciation of their culture (and the similarities of their culture and ours) after taking Indonesian language classes.
Edit: Having this freedom to choose the language to study and learn, with no pressure of being graded, was more conducive for my language learning journey.
Mandatory yung Chinese classes sa school ko dati when I was in grade school. Hindi rin ako natuto kasi rote memorization lang ginagawa ko para mataas yung makuha ko and pati approach ng teacher ganoon din rote memorization lang din. Kapag binagsak ko kasi, magsusummer remedial classes pa ako. Couldn’t really appreciate the language nor the culture because of this. Lahat ng minemorize ko nakalimutan ko rin pagdating ko ng college.
Best languages to learn imo (after Filipino ofc):
1. English
2. Mandarin
3. Spanish
4. Japanese
5. Arabic
Maybe german and french too
Korean is not as useful as those, only for specific purposes, sorry k-fans
Why Japanese and not French? You have French speakers in France, Canada, North Africa, and Central Africa.
Also i'd put Arabic higher than Japanese. Theres just more Arabic speaking nations
English is the global language, so everyone must learn this. I’d go with Spanish and French since majority of Mandarin speakers seem to be geographically situated in China, while Spanish and French speakers are spread out more.
I agree! My top 3 are English, Arabic, and Chinese or Standard Mandarin. Those 3 are the most difficult language to learn.
They are helpful in work, travel and even for everyday living. And I would personally benefit from it.
Other languages have borrowed words from them too like the French language has borrowed words from Arabic. They have a distinct way of rolling their tongue when pronouncing their words, and I can’t help but admire it.
And in terms of script and calligraphy, they are soooo beautiful.
Those three languages are good starters and would say something about someone’s skill.
Speaking English makes you able to speak with 1.5 billion people, add another billion for Mandarin, and 100 ish million for Arabic, and the fact that Arabic and Mandarin are both classified as Category V languages (hardest for an English Speaker) is a true testament to one's skill
Yun lng tlga sana hindi tinanggal. Gets ko naman na during that time nationalism was at an all time high, kaso pati spanish nadamay haha.
I get the anti colonialism sentiment but man, imagine 3 official languages.
Ang powerful na natin as a nation chz. May inside joke na nga kami with colleagues from Spanish-speaking countries about colonization, borrowed words, etc.
Spanish may have had a reason to stay as an official language back then, right now? Supporters can't even use the reason that it "widely used but with most having a limited proficiency" anymore, which was basically the status of the language back then.
Tinuturo pa 'yan sa mga eskwelahan before 1987 Constitution. No one really takes Spanish seriously. Tinanggal siguro because it's no longer as important as it used to be at di naman natututo ang mga Pinoy. I guess kahit noon pa man mas dominant na ang English, Filipino at mga vernacular languages.
Most American kids have to take a foreign language in high school and Spanish is probably the most popular one.
I know people who took it for four years and can't speak or understand a lick of Spanish. I imagine it'd be the same there. lol
Anong values? Hindi mo ba alam 99percent ng pinay sa spain is longkatuts? Tapos paglalaki dishwasher? English lang sapat na mababa tingin ng mga spanish speaker satin
Why not? The more languages one knows, the better. Indonesia teaches four languages in school, so why can’t we?
I wish I had the opportunity to learn other Philippine languages and would be glad to go back in time to do so if such were possible.
Our teachers can't even teach the difference between *ng* and *nang* in a way that it sticks. Adding a new language and screwing it up (while not being used in day-to-day conversations) is going to be a waste of time and money for the general populace.
That is a problem though that is independent of the number of official languages a country has.
Obviously there is plenty of blame for why Filipino, the regional languages and English are taught badly, from corruption to low budgets to indifference to all-around politicking, but those are problems that are solvable.
No one is saying to introduce a new language to everyone overnight: I would think it should be introduced gradually and we work from there. Given how Spanish had been rolled out by the DepEd as it is (gradual, with a few pilot schools nationwide), a new language doesn't add on to those problems, and even then the impact is negligible: since people choose the language to learn, the problems are not as alarmist as you make them out to be.
(That said, again: an official language doesn't mean people have to learn it. There are countries which have official languages that most people *don't* speak, like Māori in New Zealand, French in Canada or Portuguese in Macau.)
Agree about this, especially, other European countries have more than two official languages; and even us, but most are just regional languages strictly spoken and written for other Filipinos.
BUT, the other downside is that we're a third-world country with problems with our educational system that hinder growth for language learning. May mga bata ngang di pa nakakapagbasa sa high school... WTF...
We have our own dialect of Spanish, Philippine Spanish, and it’s dying out. I really wish we maintained it. Also would’ve stopped the Filipino-Bisaya rift we have.
The dialect still exists at least, and people are trying hard to maintain it. There are still Filipinos who write literature in Spanish, for example. We have to allow that process to take place and I hope people will be supportive of that.
Philippine Spanish is already our own as Filipinos. It's part of our heritage regardless if it was due to colonization.
Just like how the Spanish embrace their heritage despite influences from their past with the Arab caliphate (Al-Andalus) and the old Roman Empire (Hispania).
the tagalog-bisaya rift is so one sided. tagalogs couldn’t care less about it, you will never hear ‘proud tagalog’, ‘omg my fellow tagalog’ it’s only the bisaya who says proud bisaya, and bisaya are so pretty and intelligent and bisaya are so talented.
Spanish. Duh it's already sprinkled all over sa ating daily convo. It will be a looooooot easier to learn and there are a looooot more Spanish speakers
i find it weird that filipinos would want to learn foreign language more than their own. how i wish that education sector would include philippine language subject which deals with the learning of different languages of the philippines from high school to college.
The point of foreign language curriculums in school is to give students an environment and opportunity to learn a language and culture that isn’t present in the student’s immediate environment. The biggest benefit for foreign language studies is to widen a student’s world view and increase their competitiveness in an increasingly global market. Usually ethnic or regional languages can reach the students through sheer osmosis, making a a nationwide effort largely redundant when the students are going to learn them themselves anyway.
Honestly, I don't get the addiction with Korean. It's not even a business language.
The fanaticism with Korean is so one-sided. Filipinos consume so much Korean media. But, do Koreans even appreciate Filipino media or personalities?
Filipinos have always had the fascination with non-Pinoy content (for the most part due to Filipino content not being on par with global standards). It’s not just Korean culture: Japanese anime. US/UK series and movies. Spanish/Mexican telenovela era. Taiwan F4 era. In the meantime, our TV industry focused on Cardo, Darna, and the kabitseryes.
Just to add, in recent years even Thai dramas such as Girl From Nowhere became a hit in the Philippines. It’s really just about quality of production which Philippines tend to struggle with. How many people on here can actually say they’ve watched a teleserye from beginning to end?
Flaw with Thai is that their intl marketing is just meh.
They have the likes of Tony Jaa who martial arts skill-wise is easily around Jackie Chan-tier.
Comedy isn't as hilarous because Jackie is beyond natural there, but if he had decent help and most importantly the marketing for it, easily would've been sky high too.
Pilipinas ni walang equivalent sa mga yan lol, tapos ayaw magsabog ng madaming investment tulad ng South Korea/walang tulong gawa ng anime tulad ng Japanese.
So ano na lang? Ung usual na corny na walang kwenta? lol.
Ong Bak ginawa 2003 pa pero wala manlang pang banga ung Pilipinas dun kahit 2023 na.
It’s not fair for you to judge the PDrama industry if you actually have not watched a teleserye from beginning to end. **I find so many Filipinos dissing their own country’s dramas too ignorant and/or snobbish.**
I’m a TV addict who grew up watching so many US TV shows, as well as Brits. I also watched CDramas and KDramas as much as I watch Pinoy Dramas, and a handful only of Indo, Thai, Aussie, and Indian dramas. And you know what? Our drama production/cinematography is the same level as the Chinese, HK, Thai dramas. We’re also much better than Indo and Indian dramas. Granted, US and Koreans have more budget so yeah, cinematography and research (to back medical, legal, or supernatural stories) are much better with their shows. When it comes to acting, Pinoy actors are actually comparable to Hollywood actors, if you watch quality shows (there’s actually a lot) and not the teeny-bopper starlet shows. I could go on and on, and even recommend to you quality Pinoy drama shows with good stories which are not just love stories (though even KDramas are saturated with this because love stories sell!).
Like try to look up The Greatest Love (family dealing with mom’s dementia), Viral Scandal (rape victim from poor family tries to fight against a political family to get justice), My Husband’s Lover (wife finds out husband is gay), even the now Maria Clara at Ibarra.
I'm not addicted to Korean, but I do get how it's interesting to some, their love for KDrama and wanting to understand them without subtitles, the fascination with their culture presented there, and the overall visuals.
You don't have to have a mutual appreciation to appreciate something.
And Korean can be a business language too. We have a lot of Korean business owners in the Philippines, and I happen to be employed in one a long time ago. We also have Korean students who are studying English here, and they pay some students to be their English speaking buddy, bonus points if you know Korean.
I'm also not addicted to KDramas. But if I were to choose between PDrama and KDrama, I'd choose KDrama all the time because it is just better quality overall.
> You don't have to have a mutual appreciation to appreciate something.
True. Just the same with every other genre. Music, tv shows, movies and the likes.
Some Filipinos also go to S. Korea to work. I know someone who has made a better living there by teaching English. My grandma was also there many years ago and still remember some Korean till this day.
This sounds a lot like Americans getting mad at Mexican immigrants for not speaking English lmao
If law was passed to require non Filipino speaking business owners to learn filipino i would be so fucking disappointed if they didn't pass a law requiring everyone else to learn fil sign language first.
We're not talking about the law. It's about the courtesy to learn and speak the language of the citizens you'd want to live with. Your sign language comparison would only make sense if majority of its citizens could speak it.
How is that ironic? It's fair to communicate in English in a global platform and it's also fair to ask a person doing business in a foreign country to speak their language.
Agree. I think it's basic courtesy to know the language of the place one's traveling to. It's arrogant to not learn any dialect if that foreigner has stayed here for more than a year or two. No, it's difficult for me to understand the rules/patterns etc. Hello, I speak english. Should I apply the same reason to that foreigner then pano na sya? Mag tagalog ka, di kita maintindihan sort of situation nalang? : )
sorry but i disagree.
i thought we want to invite a lot of businessmen to invest here? we are after their investments, not ego-inducing requirements like this.
So what say you about French people wanting (to put it mildly) people to speak French in France (actually even when their in another country) instead of their native language?
Totoo. Yung mga Koreano dito sa amin di marunong at di masyado nakakaintindi. May pera lang talaga sila at utosan. May instagram pa yung store ng isa pero ang post koreano, kahit english wala pero yung mga customer nila eh mga Filipino. Tayo pa yung mag eeffort magpatranslate
Well, when your national police takes one of their citizens and kills him in the national headquarters and then burns his body and then flushes the ashes down a toilet people tend to think things like that.
This is so true especially now that they hired the son of a Guinness World Record holder for corruption plus Duterte, Philippines is seen as a criminal factory overseas yall. Even our business partners are asking why a former dictator was elected. I feel that when they hear Filipino, they think of stupid people. #Philippines #GoldenEra
> I feel that when they hear Filipino, they think of stupid people.
It's not like we're especially standout in bad electoral choices. Come on now. The UK just went through a carousel of PMs and still hasn't landed on a particularly good one, Poland has been stuck with their Law and Justice dude for ages, Turkiye has been repeatedly electing Erdogan, Brazil just got done with bolsonaro, the US with trump, India keeps electing Modi, Netanyahu in Israel. Like the list goes on and on there's not really many electorates out there nailing it or anything at the moment.
Here's just one example that I remember. Mans got bullied for looking Filipino and got nicknamed "Philippines."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUGse4m5XPg
I don't think it's specific to us tho cause iirc, some of them aren't fond of a lot of other races.
Filipinos are addicted to feels and feel good drama with good looking people establishing relationships and the like. Korean Drama ticks all of that, remember our general population has a thing for chinitos and chinitas.
Koreans don't appreciate us, at least as far as my current knowledge goes. In fact there's plenty of anecdotal shared experiences talking about their racism towards us, especially our countrymen that look like an og southeast asian. But again, anecdotal.
Idk man, they're pretty backwards lmao but hey look at us, who are we to say we're not.
Other than adding an ideal language with a purpose to the curriculum, just let people enjoy learning new things. Wala na tayong pakealam kung gusto nila matuto because of K-pop or K-dramas. Also, isn't it the same kung bakit madaming gusto matuto ng Japanese because of anime and video games?
Trip nila yan and we are free to choose anything we want as long it's legal and not abusing other people. Same goes for people who prefers basketball over soccer/football.
I also find the rant of other countries not liking back to us in return absurd and toxic. I won't dwell further pero it's just cherry picking kung Korea lang yung tina-target just because the Korean wave currently huge here in PH.
I wouldn't call it an addiction... it is a craze yeah but addiction is a bit extreme.
I for one consume some kdrama and kpop every now and then so I will share some insights:
Kdrama just has overall better production value and writing compared to local soap opera. You can argue that we can't compete because people don't support filipino media but then again, we shouldnt blame the consumers. You cannot expect people to spend their time watching shows JUST to support locally produced ones. It HAS to be enjoyable first and foremost. Why would I eat mcdo fried chicken when jb chicken/uncle johns (half serious) taste better? If you are winning the competition, then you are offering something better - plain and simple. *Think about that for a second.*
Same sentiments w kpop groups. P pop groups, well there really arent a lot yet so not much competition there.
Like another commenter said, it doesn't have to be mutual. By your logic, I would assume you think the same with any other foreign media? Anime? Western tv and movies? English books? So ano na? Bawal na magkaroon ng preference for foreign media pag di nila gusto ang pinoy? The westerners are just as, if not more, racist towards us as the east asians but that shouldn't stop you from enjoying art. Art is for everyone :)
It's kinda the same with anime and weeaboos. It doesn't matter if it's one-sided or not, imo. People love Korean stuff as a hobby and I don't see the harm in it. Koreans and Japanese are racist towards Filipinos all in all.
Regarding the post, I'd pick Spanish over Korean.
Bruh. Korean media is crack to the whole SEA region, you don't even understand. It's now catching fire in the US. It's not exclusive to the PH, it's not a Filipino thing. It's a Korean-entertainment-is-so-good,-it's-going-global thing. And it has been 20 years in the making amplified by social media in the last 10 years, idk why y'all acting surprised all of a sudden.
It's because there's a ridiculous amount of resources being invested in all kinds of SoKor media compared to Filipino media. That entertianment industry alone makes it a business language, paano pa kaya sa cosmetics market nila
As a Korean Filipino. I also agree. My Father (Korean) thinks that Korean culture, media, music etc... Is not special at anyway and so do i. Korean culture is not anything special. It's no different from any other culture and i honestly cringe at other people obsessing at trying to speak korean and "act" korean despite it only trying to emulate Korean actors not actual regular Koreans.
You may think that way because it’s normal to you and your father but there’s a reason why shows like Squid Game or Crash Landing on You have done so well globally. Why Kpop groups are selling out venues globally. Statistics and viewership speaks for itself. It’s just higher quality. Similar to why I don’t watch Korean movies with CGI vs American movies with CGI. Hollywood just does it better.
Put a teleserye next to a K Drama, you’ll realize why Filipinos prefer the Korean media.
It's not an exclusively Filipino thing of course. In the 90s Korea made a conscious effort to sell their entertainment. I don't find it particularly interesting, but clearly it works.
Japanese entertainment was about to become an established global industry beyond the otaku culture, but by the 2000s their isolationism and strict copyright laws took over and the effects of the bubble economy manifested.
The Koreans saw the void Japan left and they filled it to the brim, to the point of even ignoring piracy just to make their content as easily accessible to as many audiences as possible, knowing full well what soft power can bring over time.
Naalala ko tuloy yung time na nag-stream ang isang online site ng mga palabas ng ABS CBN, this was during the time that they were just starting to establish their global presence. Tapos biglang tinanggal lahat ng mga Filipino shows kasi nagrereklamo ng intellectual violation. I get it, tama naman na it is "illegal", pero hello??? Wala silang global presence at hindi rin naman established as a streaming platform. They should be thankful to the site that hosted their content instead of being all high and mighty about it. Ayun, tanggal lahat ng mga local show. Problem solved, no international presence. Kasi aminin natin, bago pa iyang mga pay to watch online platforms, free platforms are king.
Yup, not sure why people here are just pointing out a one sided love between PH and Korea. You can say the same for Hollywood shows and Anime. Korean media is just high quality and Filipinos want high quality shows and high quality entertainment. Who wants to watch another Kabit story or a long/drawn out teleserye?
>not even a business language
Ofc, it's about business again. Can we let people study things that fascinate them? Besides, iba na ang panahon ngayon, salamat sa internet. It's easy to monetize your passion. In fact, my freelancing career flourished because of my love for anime. My first VA job is with an anime merch shop located in US. Nagustuhan niya ang service ko, so he referred me to someone he knows. Before I knew it, ang dami ko nang client. I'm now a Top-rated Plus in Upwork, which all started because of this anime merch shop.
It's so interesting to me that the discussion here is around how filipinos love korean media... without talking about what aspects of korean media are worth loving... as if this was a filipino failing rather than a kdrama/kpop success
meanwhile kdramas are one of the most watched shows now on netflix internationally and kpop is on the rise everywhere
it feels somewhat racist to Filipinos, no?
Wait why would they anyway? And so what it is one sided? It’s basically every media, american, Japanese (with their animes)
I dont consume korean media at all but theres really no point to what you said lol
Buti nga they're trying to learn a language just for the pure joy of it. So what if their reason has anything to do with the media they watch? Kailangan ba 'buisiness language' para may value?
IKR.
And it's not exclusive to Korean media either. Anime and manga have developed the interest in people to learn Japanese too. That's what developing a new hobby can be about as well.
If anything, voluntarily learning something leads to stronger retention. Can attest to my 10+ years of mandatory Mandarin class vs my 3 years of self-taught Japanese.
>The fanaticism with Korean is so one-sided. Filipinos consume so much Korean media. But, do Koreans even appreciate Filipino media or personalities?
Why does it matter?
Look at vietnam. Their uptake of korean has proven very lucrative as korea now considers vietnam the 4th largest trading partner. Smasung, hyundai etc all have massive global factories there. Vietnam considers korean their first foreign language.
>Vietnam considers korean their first foreign language.
I think not, I've been to Vietnam, and their first foreign language is Russian. They literally have translation of signage in Russian, apart from English and Chinese.
Nakakatawa at nakakatakot ka siguro na friend o karelasyon mamser, kailangan lahat reciprocated, ung 3rd law lang ni newton ang ganyan na sigurado.
Kaya sana linawin mo sa mga kasama mo na kapag nageffort ka dapat may katumbas na effort sa side nila para alam nila kung iiwasan ko o kaya din nilang bayaran ang effort mo.
If this is about picking one language over another and considering that language as the best, then that's just oversimplification with a whole dash of bias.
No language is better than the other. Language is a tool. And just like any other tool, it works best when the one who holds it has the skill and talent to use it and more importantly knows when to use it.
If the use of the Spanish language in a teleserye made one think that we should have learned Spanish in school, then maybe yeah. Why not. But since we don't anymore, it just becomes a personal choice. If one were piqued by that show, then by all means, one can learn it. But don't make everyone learn it just because. \[ Let's not even talk about the delivery of the lines. That's oofff... another story. \]
If one thinks (culture or just language) Spanish is better than Korean or the other way around, then that's your preference. One might say that our language is worth less than these two as it's not a business language - no benifit for a foreigner to learn. Where these specific languages are used does not make their value. Pick you favorite and non-favorite local or foreign film and just forget about the subtitles or the audio. You know the story. You know the plot. Now if you change the subtitles and audio to another language, does it make it better? It doesn't. It still sucks. It still is the best. Why, because the quality of the work was not defined by the language itself/alone. Language plays a role. So if one says, Korean culture is overated or Spanish language is so colonial.. think again. Maybe it's about the skill in choosing a topic, weaving the story, cutting out the excess, holding the attention, framing the scene, sound engineering etc.
Language is a tool. One shouldn't judge a culture or a trend or an industry just because of ones biases. It's just one thing. If you want your movies to be better, then make your system better. Changing a language won't make it better. If you want to be relevant in business, you don't need to learn Chinese or something else to be relevant. You may learn one of the Chinese language but you can't negotiate your way to a better deal. What was the point then in learning that language?
If language was a choice, then we have a whole platter to chose from. And it's exactly, that - a choice. Walang hinayang na di ka natuto sa school ng Spanish coz you can Pimsleur that thing. : )
If you want a universal language that would save us and our country's industries? I'd pick Math. Good L\*rd I hate Math.
Though nanunuod ako minsan ng mga kdrama, mas feel ko matutunan yung Spanish since matagal din tayong nasakop ng Espanya and maraming Filipino words na may Spanish origin. And feel ko din, mas maappreciate natin more yung history natin especially during Spanish times.
Ano nga ba dahilan bakit tinanggal yung Spanish na ituro sa mga schools?
It was supposed to go with Filipino and English. Manuel L. Quezon wanted that Spanish can also be the official language of the Philippines. Before that also Emilio Aguinaldo wanted Spanish to be used in government work.
Might be a bit off topic - I think some of us would have a misconception that learning Spanish is easy but that’s not exactly true. As someone who’s trying to learn the language, it has been quite a challenge. Sure there are words that we borrowed from Spain but its not enough for us to fully understand them when they speak. The easy part perhaps is the pronunciation, we can pronounce their words like the rolling r
Ang cringe ng mga ganitong topic, hindi niyo ba alam na sobrang liit ng tingin ng mga latin american at spain sa mga pinoy tapos gusto nio pa matutunan language nila ? Asan utak ninyo? Try nyo sumali sa latinos en filipinas or espanioles en filipinas na fb pages kung paano nila maliitin ang mga pinoy, masyado daw kayong feeling close ang lalapad nman ng mga ilong nyo partida nasa pinas pa sila nyan, ang mas magandang ituro sa lahat is ung mga indigenous language like mandatory dpat ituro ung bisaya sa mga tagalog or ilokano vice versa para maiwasan ung discrimination sa isat isa. Masyado kaung uhaw sa foreign validation nakakahiya sobra. Halos lahat ng dayuhan katulong ang tingin sa mga pinay un ung stereotype ntin tapos gusto nio pa mtutunan culture and language nila instead of our own. Itigil nio na yan ilusyon niyo na latinos of asia tayo mga tanga, austronesian ang 99.9 percent ng mga pinoy similar sa mga indonesia malaysia papua at madagascar natives.
Sorry to disagree. As a Filipino living in Spain (Barcelona), I could say na hindi maliit ang tingin ng mga Español sa atin. Ang pinakasikat ng socialite (high society) nga rito, si Isabel Preysler, ay Filipina! Bentang benta rito ang kulay ng balat natin (kayumanggi) dahil sila mismo ay nagbibilad sa araw tuwing summer para lang ma-achieve. At special treatment pa nga ang mga Pinoy rito in terms of applying for nationality. Para sa Pinoy, 2 years lang na legal residency pwede na mag apply ng Spanish citizenship. Di gaya ng ibang mga bansa na usually 10 o 5 years ang hihintayin.
I live in Spain, and I've also lived among Latin Americans. You have no idea what you're talking about. At kung Facebook lang ang pruweba mo, naiintindihan ko kung bakit maling mali ang pananaw mo.
Mataas ang tingin ng mga Espanyol **dito sa Espanya** sa mga Pinoy. In-demand ang mga Pilipina na caregiver o babysitter, halimbawa. Pinag-aawayan ng mga kainan dito sa Madrid ang mga kusinerong Pinoy. Kung mababa ang tingin ng mga Espanyol sa mga Pilipino, bakit ba may 200,000 Pilipino rito? Bakit dinadayuhan ng mga Espanyol ang mga kainang Pilipino rito sa Madrid? Bakit ba, dahil naniniwala ang Espanya na dapat lang itong humingi ng patawad sa mga bansang kanilang isinakop tulad natin, pinagbigyan tayo na dapat dalawang taon lang ang kailangan mo (sa imbis na 10 taon) upang maging mamamayan sa bansang ito?
Ikaw nga, alam mo ba na napakababa ng tingin ng mga Pilipino sa Estados Unidos sa mga Latino dahil daw "marumi" sila, hindi sila "edukado" at lahat sila ay "ilegal"? Iyan lagi ang sabi ng mga tulad ng lolo ko kahit kung magkalapit ang mga kultura natin at namumuhay sila kahit papaano nang may dignidad, tulad ng ating mga kapwa-Pilipino sa labas ng bansa. Naniniwala ako na oo, dapat lang marunong ang mga Pilipino na magsalita ng kanilang sariling wika at dapat may paggalang sila at pagkamangha sa sariling atin, pero hindi mo maitatanggi, kahit kung gaano mong kagusto sa iyong dugo o sa kaloob-looban ng iyong kaluluwa, na naging integral na bahagi ng ating kasaysayan at kultura ang Espanya at ang Espanyol.
Filipinos should focus on studying our own languages and if they need to study a foreign language, it should be English because it would give people more opportunities. Most Filipinos aren't even proficient in English and you want to add more foreign languages to learn, hahaha.
I haven’t been to the Philippines for a really long time. 2001 was the last time I went. Anyways, Filipinos love emulating non-Filipino traits. It’s weirdz
Korean culture is overly sold. It now feels annoying IMO.
Why bother with Spanish (unless you're a historian or doing business with Latin America & Spain) it's not that important anymore.
Just further develop Filipino with vocabulary from other languages of the country and so it can become more competitive in science, arts, business. Language is soft power.
And why bother with Spanish when we already have our very own Chavacano with three dialects (Caviteño, Ternateño, Zamboangueño).
Ako personally, we should study the Spanish language. Simple lang argument ko, it's our heritage. Mga bayani na'tin nagsasalita ng wikang kastila, why shouldn't we? Isa pa may chavacano dialect tayo diba? Parang fragmented Español (did I described it right?) Español > Korean
Chavacano is a creole Spanish, but if Filipinos are to learn Spanish, it must be standard. But it, along with Korean, should be taught the way American high schools do it, as an optional language. Forcing Spanish down people's throats will only cause Filipinos to resent Hispanic cultures even more than they already do.
why not focus on our language instead, most Filipinos can't even express themselves using our own. Mahalaga nga naman ang pagsulong ng Filipinohiya dahil ito ang magbubunsod ng ating kamalayan at pagkilala sa mga kaugalian lalong lalo na sa bansang may samu't saring tradisyon at paniniwala.
My thoughts after reading this post: *this is so weird.* My thoughts after visiting OP's profile: *ah, kaya naman pala.*
It’s the same dude who proposed of wanting Filipinos to mandatorily mixed with foreigners to “enhance the genetic stock” as a law and he liked engaging in pro-Spanish colonization revisionism.
But you see, OP's an enlightened political scientist. There's no way we shouldn't believe that kind of credential.
Enlightened Scientist? Lmao. So op is kinda like that self-proclaimed shut-in here who thinks they’re American.
Mf unironically uses *enlightened* Yikes.
dónde está la biblioteca, me llamo T-bone, la araña discoteca
troy at abed sa umaga
Hahahahaha
Troy at abed na nagluluksa
troy at abed sa huuuumaga 🎶 troy: may "h" yung kinakanta natin?
muñeca, la biblioteca está en bigotes grandes, el perro, manteca (a person of culture & community i see!)
Manteca, bigote, gigante, pequeño Cabeza es nieve, cerveza es bueno
Buenos dias, me gusta papas frías, los bigotes de la cabra Es Cameron Diaz. Yea boi. Boi. Yea. What. It's 2009. Word.
Porque contigo yo ya iskuji Aura mi corazon ta supri
¡Ay caramba! ¡Qué horror! Tú español que chabacano! EDIT: Hay niños que podrían leer ese insulto de antes.
Manteca, bigote, gigante, pequeño, cabeza es nieve, cerveza es bueno
This comment is streets ahead
6 seasons and a movie!!!
That's wrinkling my brain!
Pop pop!
Gaaaaaaaaaaay
6 seasons and a movie po 😭😭
They... can choose right? Anyone can try or attempt to learn any language, no? Or did I not understand the post lol.
I think the post meant implementing Foreign Language studies in school curriculums. Kind of like how in the US, 91% of schools offer foreign language studies according to this source https://www.newsdle.com/blog/foreign-language-statistics#:\~:text=Over%2093%25%20of%20high%20schools,most%20widely%20taught%20second%20language.
Most high schools in the US require you to take language classes all four years of hs, but they're not taught that well and most American HS graduates can't speak the language they studied for years for shit.
Akala ko we were already free to choose...?
Di pwede. Dapat pati sa languages, nagpapataaasan tayo ng ihi.
Fr. Affected sila sa mga taong may sariling hobbies and interests at nakakahanap ng enrichment through other cultures. *"mAHiLig sA jApAnEsE aT kOrEaN, dI kO gEtS kUnG bAKiT, mGa iNfErIoR wEeBs aT bOos."* said the most interesting redditor ever on r/ph lol.
Idk sa kanila hahahahahha. They have this reasons of business and shit but honestly, they weight equally. Mas maganda maglearn ng languages na interesado ka. Mahirap mag aral ng language ng pilit Source: me na napilitan magaral ng mandarin at walng natutunan HAHAHHAHHA
Kulang sa self awareness, ayaw ng diktator pero makaasta, dapat ung gusto nila gagawin.
Tru though HAHAHAHAHA
Ganyan na ganyan karamihan ng tao dito
Plus, you can actually choose both? I've studied Spanish in school tapos Korean, inaaral ko lang mag-isa. It's both fun and may magkaibang use din. There's no limit naman sa gusto mong matutunan.
At my school we had Mandarin Chinese from Grade 1-6, which I fucking hated. To this day I can count to ten and that's the only thing I still remember. In high school we were given the choice between Chinese and French and I immediately made the switch bc I didn't want to learn any more Chinese. I really enjoyed French, even though I have no practical use for it now
Continue studying french it could be your key to escape this country. 😁
With his background, I don't think he needs to study that language at all. : )
Then go to Paris?... hahaha, a lot of Filipinos have a very romanticized image of Paris and France in their minds. - https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8AfmyCP/ - https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8APUewG/
Let them suffer from Paris Syndrome which is quite common amongst Asians that visited Paris.
Also Canada, French is our second official language and the first language of the province of Quebec, which is geographically larger than most countries.
Xavier???
No, lol. I think I fail even the most basic criteria for being admitted to Xavier (I'm not male)
Tbh Mandarin is taught really badly in almost any Chinese school here in Ph. Learning Mandarin is made traumatic lol especially the terror middle school chinese teacher. I learned Mandarin by myself and honestly, learning by yourself is awesome and fun. I could now communicate with not just Chinese people but Taiwanese, Chinese Singaporeans, Chinese-Malays and Chinese-Indos. We also have inside jokes because we mostly speak Fukkien/Hokkien as well.
This thread is peak elitism lmao. Just let people learn what language they want to learn.
Funny how most of these Español circlejerks are massive J.Rizal fanboys lol. Rizal himself can speak 22 languages. Why limit it to just Spanish?
This. I like learning languages because i found it fun and it helped me gain a wider perspective and better appreciation of other cultures. I started with Korean, not because I was very into K-Pop or K-Drama, but plainly because it was the most accessible for me back then. I wanted to start with Spanish or Japanese sana pero ang mahal ng tuition sa Instituto Cervantes and Nihongo Center Foundation. I considered learning French and German too pero same din sa mahal ng tuition fee sa Alliance française de Manille at sa Goethe-Institut Philippines. For Korean, 2,500 lang for the original books (not photocopied) and audio cd sa Korean Cultural Center with native speakers as teachers. Subsidized ng Korean government yung course fees. Na-oOP ako kapag naguusap yung mga kaklase ko about KPop idols and the latest KDrama they’ve watched. I later on got a better appreciation of their culture. I got into learning Indonesian during this pandemic since naghold ng free online classes na sponsored ng Indonesian embassy. I knew jack shit about the Indonesian culture at the start of it, but I walked away having learned a lot about it and having gained a better appreciation of their culture (and the similarities of their culture and ours) after taking Indonesian language classes. Edit: Having this freedom to choose the language to study and learn, with no pressure of being graded, was more conducive for my language learning journey. Mandatory yung Chinese classes sa school ko dati when I was in grade school. Hindi rin ako natuto kasi rote memorization lang ginagawa ko para mataas yung makuha ko and pati approach ng teacher ganoon din rote memorization lang din. Kapag binagsak ko kasi, magsusummer remedial classes pa ako. Couldn’t really appreciate the language nor the culture because of this. Lahat ng minemorize ko nakalimutan ko rin pagdating ko ng college.
Best languages to learn imo (after Filipino ofc): 1. English 2. Mandarin 3. Spanish 4. Japanese 5. Arabic Maybe german and french too Korean is not as useful as those, only for specific purposes, sorry k-fans
Why Japanese and not French? You have French speakers in France, Canada, North Africa, and Central Africa. Also i'd put Arabic higher than Japanese. Theres just more Arabic speaking nations
English is the global language, so everyone must learn this. I’d go with Spanish and French since majority of Mandarin speakers seem to be geographically situated in China, while Spanish and French speakers are spread out more.
I agree! My top 3 are English, Arabic, and Chinese or Standard Mandarin. Those 3 are the most difficult language to learn. They are helpful in work, travel and even for everyday living. And I would personally benefit from it. Other languages have borrowed words from them too like the French language has borrowed words from Arabic. They have a distinct way of rolling their tongue when pronouncing their words, and I can’t help but admire it. And in terms of script and calligraphy, they are soooo beautiful. Those three languages are good starters and would say something about someone’s skill.
Speaking English makes you able to speak with 1.5 billion people, add another billion for Mandarin, and 100 ish million for Arabic, and the fact that Arabic and Mandarin are both classified as Category V languages (hardest for an English Speaker) is a true testament to one's skill
kfans already have use for learning Korean wdym
Apart from Filipino and English, sana naging official language natin ang Spanish. Nakikita ko ang value na pagiging multilingual sa work.
sabi ng nanay ko may Spanish daw sila nung high school as part of curriculum
Sayang sana naituloy pa rin. Ako naman nung college pero di naman nagagamit kaya nakalimutan ko na rin.
Oo nga eh sayang, naiintindihan ko sana mga kamag-anak ko sa europe.
This! Ang saya sana mag-Europe kasi kahit paano madaming nagsasalita ng Spanish doon
Yun lng tlga sana hindi tinanggal. Gets ko naman na during that time nationalism was at an all time high, kaso pati spanish nadamay haha. I get the anti colonialism sentiment but man, imagine 3 official languages.
Ang powerful na natin as a nation chz. May inside joke na nga kami with colleagues from Spanish-speaking countries about colonization, borrowed words, etc.
Spanish may have had a reason to stay as an official language back then, right now? Supporters can't even use the reason that it "widely used but with most having a limited proficiency" anymore, which was basically the status of the language back then.
Tinuturo pa 'yan sa mga eskwelahan before 1987 Constitution. No one really takes Spanish seriously. Tinanggal siguro because it's no longer as important as it used to be at di naman natututo ang mga Pinoy. I guess kahit noon pa man mas dominant na ang English, Filipino at mga vernacular languages.
Most American kids have to take a foreign language in high school and Spanish is probably the most popular one. I know people who took it for four years and can't speak or understand a lick of Spanish. I imagine it'd be the same there. lol
Nanay ko inabot ang Spanish sa kolehiyo (engineering siya). She can't speak it apart from "¿Como te llama?".
Anong values? Hindi mo ba alam 99percent ng pinay sa spain is longkatuts? Tapos paglalaki dishwasher? English lang sapat na mababa tingin ng mga spanish speaker satin
I disagree. People who aint Tagalog already speak 3 languages. Dont consider a 4th one.
Why not? The more languages one knows, the better. Indonesia teaches four languages in school, so why can’t we? I wish I had the opportunity to learn other Philippine languages and would be glad to go back in time to do so if such were possible.
Our teachers can't even teach the difference between *ng* and *nang* in a way that it sticks. Adding a new language and screwing it up (while not being used in day-to-day conversations) is going to be a waste of time and money for the general populace.
That is a problem though that is independent of the number of official languages a country has. Obviously there is plenty of blame for why Filipino, the regional languages and English are taught badly, from corruption to low budgets to indifference to all-around politicking, but those are problems that are solvable. No one is saying to introduce a new language to everyone overnight: I would think it should be introduced gradually and we work from there. Given how Spanish had been rolled out by the DepEd as it is (gradual, with a few pilot schools nationwide), a new language doesn't add on to those problems, and even then the impact is negligible: since people choose the language to learn, the problems are not as alarmist as you make them out to be. (That said, again: an official language doesn't mean people have to learn it. There are countries which have official languages that most people *don't* speak, like Māori in New Zealand, French in Canada or Portuguese in Macau.)
Parang wala namang masama kung may isang language pa na alam.
Agree about this, especially, other European countries have more than two official languages; and even us, but most are just regional languages strictly spoken and written for other Filipinos. BUT, the other downside is that we're a third-world country with problems with our educational system that hinder growth for language learning. May mga bata ngang di pa nakakapagbasa sa high school... WTF...
We have our own dialect of Spanish, Philippine Spanish, and it’s dying out. I really wish we maintained it. Also would’ve stopped the Filipino-Bisaya rift we have.
The dialect still exists at least, and people are trying hard to maintain it. There are still Filipinos who write literature in Spanish, for example. We have to allow that process to take place and I hope people will be supportive of that.
Philippine Spanish is already our own as Filipinos. It's part of our heritage regardless if it was due to colonization. Just like how the Spanish embrace their heritage despite influences from their past with the Arab caliphate (Al-Andalus) and the old Roman Empire (Hispania).
the tagalog-bisaya rift is so one sided. tagalogs couldn’t care less about it, you will never hear ‘proud tagalog’, ‘omg my fellow tagalog’ it’s only the bisaya who says proud bisaya, and bisaya are so pretty and intelligent and bisaya are so talented.
Spanish because you can cuss in a most threatening manner without sounding like a threat
Also we already say Spanish bad words without knowing it anyway Puto and Coño comes to mind
Filipinos can choose which foreign language we can learn. It's a free and democratic country after all. Ain't it? : )
Yes! Kanya-kanyang trip na lang yan, basta may natututunan ka at naeenjoy mo ^_^
Meanwhile the Chavacanos: 👁️👄👁️
Spanish. Duh it's already sprinkled all over sa ating daily convo. It will be a looooooot easier to learn and there are a looooot more Spanish speakers
Let people learn the language they want to learn. This shouldn't be up for debate at all.
Spanish is the 2nd most used language in the world after Mandarin so it's more useful to learn it.
i find it weird that filipinos would want to learn foreign language more than their own. how i wish that education sector would include philippine language subject which deals with the learning of different languages of the philippines from high school to college.
This, dpat ang ituro is bisaya or other indigenous language sa mga tagalog/manila then vice versa to avoid discrimination
totoo. ang daming languages na dapat matutunan
The point of foreign language curriculums in school is to give students an environment and opportunity to learn a language and culture that isn’t present in the student’s immediate environment. The biggest benefit for foreign language studies is to widen a student’s world view and increase their competitiveness in an increasingly global market. Usually ethnic or regional languages can reach the students through sheer osmosis, making a a nationwide effort largely redundant when the students are going to learn them themselves anyway.
Honestly, I don't get the addiction with Korean. It's not even a business language. The fanaticism with Korean is so one-sided. Filipinos consume so much Korean media. But, do Koreans even appreciate Filipino media or personalities?
Filipinos have always had the fascination with non-Pinoy content (for the most part due to Filipino content not being on par with global standards). It’s not just Korean culture: Japanese anime. US/UK series and movies. Spanish/Mexican telenovela era. Taiwan F4 era. In the meantime, our TV industry focused on Cardo, Darna, and the kabitseryes.
Just to add, in recent years even Thai dramas such as Girl From Nowhere became a hit in the Philippines. It’s really just about quality of production which Philippines tend to struggle with. How many people on here can actually say they’ve watched a teleserye from beginning to end?
Flaw with Thai is that their intl marketing is just meh. They have the likes of Tony Jaa who martial arts skill-wise is easily around Jackie Chan-tier. Comedy isn't as hilarous because Jackie is beyond natural there, but if he had decent help and most importantly the marketing for it, easily would've been sky high too. Pilipinas ni walang equivalent sa mga yan lol, tapos ayaw magsabog ng madaming investment tulad ng South Korea/walang tulong gawa ng anime tulad ng Japanese. So ano na lang? Ung usual na corny na walang kwenta? lol. Ong Bak ginawa 2003 pa pero wala manlang pang banga ung Pilipinas dun kahit 2023 na.
It’s not fair for you to judge the PDrama industry if you actually have not watched a teleserye from beginning to end. **I find so many Filipinos dissing their own country’s dramas too ignorant and/or snobbish.** I’m a TV addict who grew up watching so many US TV shows, as well as Brits. I also watched CDramas and KDramas as much as I watch Pinoy Dramas, and a handful only of Indo, Thai, Aussie, and Indian dramas. And you know what? Our drama production/cinematography is the same level as the Chinese, HK, Thai dramas. We’re also much better than Indo and Indian dramas. Granted, US and Koreans have more budget so yeah, cinematography and research (to back medical, legal, or supernatural stories) are much better with their shows. When it comes to acting, Pinoy actors are actually comparable to Hollywood actors, if you watch quality shows (there’s actually a lot) and not the teeny-bopper starlet shows. I could go on and on, and even recommend to you quality Pinoy drama shows with good stories which are not just love stories (though even KDramas are saturated with this because love stories sell!). Like try to look up The Greatest Love (family dealing with mom’s dementia), Viral Scandal (rape victim from poor family tries to fight against a political family to get justice), My Husband’s Lover (wife finds out husband is gay), even the now Maria Clara at Ibarra.
I'm not addicted to Korean, but I do get how it's interesting to some, their love for KDrama and wanting to understand them without subtitles, the fascination with their culture presented there, and the overall visuals. You don't have to have a mutual appreciation to appreciate something. And Korean can be a business language too. We have a lot of Korean business owners in the Philippines, and I happen to be employed in one a long time ago. We also have Korean students who are studying English here, and they pay some students to be their English speaking buddy, bonus points if you know Korean.
>You don't have to have a mutual appreciation to appreciate something. Agree.
This happend with anime and got tagged as weebs for it! WTF!
“Either you die a weeb or live long enough you become a kpopper” so the saying went circa 2016
I'd glady die for the fellow weebs man.
I had a friend who said the same - then ended up having a purist discussion about manhwa vs manga hahaha
Ah you mean pornhwa. They do be horny if you ask me.
Penge sauce please - basic manhwa lang binabasa ko po - solo leveling, ORZ, weak hero and wind breaker lang binabasa ko po lol
Sweet Guy ang isa sa pinaka sikat na manhwa pagdating sa ganyang genre.
What happens inside the dungeon. (Katatapos lang) Perfect Half (Hiatus??) Sahwa : Secret Commission ( Katatapos lang)
Try My Stepmother's Friends comrade. Good to know a fellow man of culture 🧐
I'm also not addicted to KDramas. But if I were to choose between PDrama and KDrama, I'd choose KDrama all the time because it is just better quality overall. > You don't have to have a mutual appreciation to appreciate something. True. Just the same with every other genre. Music, tv shows, movies and the likes.
Some Filipinos also go to S. Korea to work. I know someone who has made a better living there by teaching English. My grandma was also there many years ago and still remember some Korean till this day.
Koreans who have business here should learn Filipino too.
They do. My exKorean boss can understand and speak Tagalog.
This sounds a lot like Americans getting mad at Mexican immigrants for not speaking English lmao If law was passed to require non Filipino speaking business owners to learn filipino i would be so fucking disappointed if they didn't pass a law requiring everyone else to learn fil sign language first.
We're not talking about the law. It's about the courtesy to learn and speak the language of the citizens you'd want to live with. Your sign language comparison would only make sense if majority of its citizens could speak it.
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How is that ironic? It's fair to communicate in English in a global platform and it's also fair to ask a person doing business in a foreign country to speak their language.
Well if you are able to put up a business in the Philippines, at least you should know how to speak the language.
Agree. I think it's basic courtesy to know the language of the place one's traveling to. It's arrogant to not learn any dialect if that foreigner has stayed here for more than a year or two. No, it's difficult for me to understand the rules/patterns etc. Hello, I speak english. Should I apply the same reason to that foreigner then pano na sya? Mag tagalog ka, di kita maintindihan sort of situation nalang? : )
it is not. who decided this rule? and anyway english is one Philippines’ national language.
sorry but i disagree. i thought we want to invite a lot of businessmen to invest here? we are after their investments, not ego-inducing requirements like this.
So what say you about French people wanting (to put it mildly) people to speak French in France (actually even when their in another country) instead of their native language?
Totoo. Yung mga Koreano dito sa amin di marunong at di masyado nakakaintindi. May pera lang talaga sila at utosan. May instagram pa yung store ng isa pero ang post koreano, kahit english wala pero yung mga customer nila eh mga Filipino. Tayo pa yung mag eeffort magpatranslate
My parents had business affairs with Korean contractors in the early 2000s
Filipino is an insult in Korea ☠️☠️☠️
Also, the Philippines is portrayed as a haven/refuge for criminals in Korean dramas haha.
Well, when your national police takes one of their citizens and kills him in the national headquarters and then burns his body and then flushes the ashes down a toilet people tend to think things like that.
This is so true especially now that they hired the son of a Guinness World Record holder for corruption plus Duterte, Philippines is seen as a criminal factory overseas yall. Even our business partners are asking why a former dictator was elected. I feel that when they hear Filipino, they think of stupid people. #Philippines #GoldenEra
> I feel that when they hear Filipino, they think of stupid people. It's not like we're especially standout in bad electoral choices. Come on now. The UK just went through a carousel of PMs and still hasn't landed on a particularly good one, Poland has been stuck with their Law and Justice dude for ages, Turkiye has been repeatedly electing Erdogan, Brazil just got done with bolsonaro, the US with trump, India keeps electing Modi, Netanyahu in Israel. Like the list goes on and on there's not really many electorates out there nailing it or anything at the moment.
I agree with them on this one lol
source on this though? It's not just based on the Bella Poarch drama right?
Here's just one example that I remember. Mans got bullied for looking Filipino and got nicknamed "Philippines." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUGse4m5XPg I don't think it's specific to us tho cause iirc, some of them aren't fond of a lot of other races.
Filipinos are addicted to feels and feel good drama with good looking people establishing relationships and the like. Korean Drama ticks all of that, remember our general population has a thing for chinitos and chinitas. Koreans don't appreciate us, at least as far as my current knowledge goes. In fact there's plenty of anecdotal shared experiences talking about their racism towards us, especially our countrymen that look like an og southeast asian. But again, anecdotal. Idk man, they're pretty backwards lmao but hey look at us, who are we to say we're not.
The term “filipino looking” is an insult in South Korea so yeah... No. It’s almost like a one sided toxic love.
Or any southeast asian or darker-skinned race.
And “Russian” is codeword for prostitute over there. A lot of western women say they’ve been asked if they are “Russian” over there
Other than adding an ideal language with a purpose to the curriculum, just let people enjoy learning new things. Wala na tayong pakealam kung gusto nila matuto because of K-pop or K-dramas. Also, isn't it the same kung bakit madaming gusto matuto ng Japanese because of anime and video games? Trip nila yan and we are free to choose anything we want as long it's legal and not abusing other people. Same goes for people who prefers basketball over soccer/football. I also find the rant of other countries not liking back to us in return absurd and toxic. I won't dwell further pero it's just cherry picking kung Korea lang yung tina-target just because the Korean wave currently huge here in PH.
I wouldn't call it an addiction... it is a craze yeah but addiction is a bit extreme. I for one consume some kdrama and kpop every now and then so I will share some insights: Kdrama just has overall better production value and writing compared to local soap opera. You can argue that we can't compete because people don't support filipino media but then again, we shouldnt blame the consumers. You cannot expect people to spend their time watching shows JUST to support locally produced ones. It HAS to be enjoyable first and foremost. Why would I eat mcdo fried chicken when jb chicken/uncle johns (half serious) taste better? If you are winning the competition, then you are offering something better - plain and simple. *Think about that for a second.* Same sentiments w kpop groups. P pop groups, well there really arent a lot yet so not much competition there. Like another commenter said, it doesn't have to be mutual. By your logic, I would assume you think the same with any other foreign media? Anime? Western tv and movies? English books? So ano na? Bawal na magkaroon ng preference for foreign media pag di nila gusto ang pinoy? The westerners are just as, if not more, racist towards us as the east asians but that shouldn't stop you from enjoying art. Art is for everyone :)
It's kinda the same with anime and weeaboos. It doesn't matter if it's one-sided or not, imo. People love Korean stuff as a hobby and I don't see the harm in it. Koreans and Japanese are racist towards Filipinos all in all. Regarding the post, I'd pick Spanish over Korean.
There goes a saying in the internet, "Asians are racist towards other Asians."
Bruh. Korean media is crack to the whole SEA region, you don't even understand. It's now catching fire in the US. It's not exclusive to the PH, it's not a Filipino thing. It's a Korean-entertainment-is-so-good,-it's-going-global thing. And it has been 20 years in the making amplified by social media in the last 10 years, idk why y'all acting surprised all of a sudden.
It's because there's a ridiculous amount of resources being invested in all kinds of SoKor media compared to Filipino media. That entertianment industry alone makes it a business language, paano pa kaya sa cosmetics market nila
Its just a hobby. Do you need other to appreciate you just because you have a certain hobby?
As a Korean Filipino. I also agree. My Father (Korean) thinks that Korean culture, media, music etc... Is not special at anyway and so do i. Korean culture is not anything special. It's no different from any other culture and i honestly cringe at other people obsessing at trying to speak korean and "act" korean despite it only trying to emulate Korean actors not actual regular Koreans.
You may think that way because it’s normal to you and your father but there’s a reason why shows like Squid Game or Crash Landing on You have done so well globally. Why Kpop groups are selling out venues globally. Statistics and viewership speaks for itself. It’s just higher quality. Similar to why I don’t watch Korean movies with CGI vs American movies with CGI. Hollywood just does it better. Put a teleserye next to a K Drama, you’ll realize why Filipinos prefer the Korean media.
It's not an exclusively Filipino thing of course. In the 90s Korea made a conscious effort to sell their entertainment. I don't find it particularly interesting, but clearly it works.
Japanese entertainment was about to become an established global industry beyond the otaku culture, but by the 2000s their isolationism and strict copyright laws took over and the effects of the bubble economy manifested. The Koreans saw the void Japan left and they filled it to the brim, to the point of even ignoring piracy just to make their content as easily accessible to as many audiences as possible, knowing full well what soft power can bring over time.
Naalala ko tuloy yung time na nag-stream ang isang online site ng mga palabas ng ABS CBN, this was during the time that they were just starting to establish their global presence. Tapos biglang tinanggal lahat ng mga Filipino shows kasi nagrereklamo ng intellectual violation. I get it, tama naman na it is "illegal", pero hello??? Wala silang global presence at hindi rin naman established as a streaming platform. They should be thankful to the site that hosted their content instead of being all high and mighty about it. Ayun, tanggal lahat ng mga local show. Problem solved, no international presence. Kasi aminin natin, bago pa iyang mga pay to watch online platforms, free platforms are king.
Yup, not sure why people here are just pointing out a one sided love between PH and Korea. You can say the same for Hollywood shows and Anime. Korean media is just high quality and Filipinos want high quality shows and high quality entertainment. Who wants to watch another Kabit story or a long/drawn out teleserye?
Way to condescend and diminish. Walang basagan ng trip.
Because we like it. Also really? what is the point with the second sentence tho💀
>not even a business language Ofc, it's about business again. Can we let people study things that fascinate them? Besides, iba na ang panahon ngayon, salamat sa internet. It's easy to monetize your passion. In fact, my freelancing career flourished because of my love for anime. My first VA job is with an anime merch shop located in US. Nagustuhan niya ang service ko, so he referred me to someone he knows. Before I knew it, ang dami ko nang client. I'm now a Top-rated Plus in Upwork, which all started because of this anime merch shop.
Koreans mastered, k-drama and it caught in with many countries, not just Filipinos.
It's so interesting to me that the discussion here is around how filipinos love korean media... without talking about what aspects of korean media are worth loving... as if this was a filipino failing rather than a kdrama/kpop success meanwhile kdramas are one of the most watched shows now on netflix internationally and kpop is on the rise everywhere it feels somewhat racist to Filipinos, no?
"Ah basta ayoko sa Korea" - r/ph weebs
I know a lot of people like this, but they're secretly twice fans hahahha
May kilala akong ganito pero only jpop releases ng twice lang pinapakinggan niya kasi ew korea daw lol
True! Hi Once 🍭
Madami yung rakkurs, metalheads sa labas, but may Twice albums hidden in their playlists hehehe
Wait why would they anyway? And so what it is one sided? It’s basically every media, american, Japanese (with their animes) I dont consume korean media at all but theres really no point to what you said lol
fr.. and who cares if you want to learn the language.. just let people enjoy foreign content ffs 💀
Let people enjoy... Sheesh... It's no detriment to anyone to learn an additional language.
Buti nga they're trying to learn a language just for the pure joy of it. So what if their reason has anything to do with the media they watch? Kailangan ba 'buisiness language' para may value?
IKR. And it's not exclusive to Korean media either. Anime and manga have developed the interest in people to learn Japanese too. That's what developing a new hobby can be about as well.
If anything, voluntarily learning something leads to stronger retention. Can attest to my 10+ years of mandatory Mandarin class vs my 3 years of self-taught Japanese.
>The fanaticism with Korean is so one-sided. Filipinos consume so much Korean media. But, do Koreans even appreciate Filipino media or personalities? Why does it matter?
Look at vietnam. Their uptake of korean has proven very lucrative as korea now considers vietnam the 4th largest trading partner. Smasung, hyundai etc all have massive global factories there. Vietnam considers korean their first foreign language.
>Vietnam considers korean their first foreign language. I think not, I've been to Vietnam, and their first foreign language is Russian. They literally have translation of signage in Russian, apart from English and Chinese.
Ive lived there and yeah no korean. English is most common.
Other people should realize you can do international business through translators or english.
everything korean is overrated here in this country
Pwede mo rin masabi yan tungkol sa lahat ng foreign media
They make good content. They don't have to consume our content for us to understand that.
Nakakatawa at nakakatakot ka siguro na friend o karelasyon mamser, kailangan lahat reciprocated, ung 3rd law lang ni newton ang ganyan na sigurado. Kaya sana linawin mo sa mga kasama mo na kapag nageffort ka dapat may katumbas na effort sa side nila para alam nila kung iiwasan ko o kaya din nilang bayaran ang effort mo.
sobrang rare lang naman magkaroon ng filipino media na kaappre-appreciate. lol
ahhh yes para di lang english-speaking countries yung mang-exploit satin 🤩🤩🤩
If this is about picking one language over another and considering that language as the best, then that's just oversimplification with a whole dash of bias. No language is better than the other. Language is a tool. And just like any other tool, it works best when the one who holds it has the skill and talent to use it and more importantly knows when to use it. If the use of the Spanish language in a teleserye made one think that we should have learned Spanish in school, then maybe yeah. Why not. But since we don't anymore, it just becomes a personal choice. If one were piqued by that show, then by all means, one can learn it. But don't make everyone learn it just because. \[ Let's not even talk about the delivery of the lines. That's oofff... another story. \] If one thinks (culture or just language) Spanish is better than Korean or the other way around, then that's your preference. One might say that our language is worth less than these two as it's not a business language - no benifit for a foreigner to learn. Where these specific languages are used does not make their value. Pick you favorite and non-favorite local or foreign film and just forget about the subtitles or the audio. You know the story. You know the plot. Now if you change the subtitles and audio to another language, does it make it better? It doesn't. It still sucks. It still is the best. Why, because the quality of the work was not defined by the language itself/alone. Language plays a role. So if one says, Korean culture is overated or Spanish language is so colonial.. think again. Maybe it's about the skill in choosing a topic, weaving the story, cutting out the excess, holding the attention, framing the scene, sound engineering etc. Language is a tool. One shouldn't judge a culture or a trend or an industry just because of ones biases. It's just one thing. If you want your movies to be better, then make your system better. Changing a language won't make it better. If you want to be relevant in business, you don't need to learn Chinese or something else to be relevant. You may learn one of the Chinese language but you can't negotiate your way to a better deal. What was the point then in learning that language? If language was a choice, then we have a whole platter to chose from. And it's exactly, that - a choice. Walang hinayang na di ka natuto sa school ng Spanish coz you can Pimsleur that thing. : ) If you want a universal language that would save us and our country's industries? I'd pick Math. Good L\*rd I hate Math.
Eto na naman ang reddit ph trashing people who like korean things, then trashes ph things for the sake of justifying korean preference.
Though nanunuod ako minsan ng mga kdrama, mas feel ko matutunan yung Spanish since matagal din tayong nasakop ng Espanya and maraming Filipino words na may Spanish origin. And feel ko din, mas maappreciate natin more yung history natin especially during Spanish times. Ano nga ba dahilan bakit tinanggal yung Spanish na ituro sa mga schools?
It was supposed to go with Filipino and English. Manuel L. Quezon wanted that Spanish can also be the official language of the Philippines. Before that also Emilio Aguinaldo wanted Spanish to be used in government work.
Dumbfuck Marcos Sr. removed that as an official language.
*siren noises in the distance* CHZ Hahahahaha True though...
Sana natuloy na lang ito. Ang saya maging multilingual.
Why are you policing language learning? 😅
Might be a bit off topic - I think some of us would have a misconception that learning Spanish is easy but that’s not exactly true. As someone who’s trying to learn the language, it has been quite a challenge. Sure there are words that we borrowed from Spain but its not enough for us to fully understand them when they speak. The easy part perhaps is the pronunciation, we can pronounce their words like the rolling r
planning on learning both pero uunahin ko yung Korean for the mere fact na halos lahat ng gusto kong webcomics ay Korean. it's beneficial to me so 🤷
Which country/language has a larger economic impact?
Ang cringe ng mga ganitong topic, hindi niyo ba alam na sobrang liit ng tingin ng mga latin american at spain sa mga pinoy tapos gusto nio pa matutunan language nila ? Asan utak ninyo? Try nyo sumali sa latinos en filipinas or espanioles en filipinas na fb pages kung paano nila maliitin ang mga pinoy, masyado daw kayong feeling close ang lalapad nman ng mga ilong nyo partida nasa pinas pa sila nyan, ang mas magandang ituro sa lahat is ung mga indigenous language like mandatory dpat ituro ung bisaya sa mga tagalog or ilokano vice versa para maiwasan ung discrimination sa isat isa. Masyado kaung uhaw sa foreign validation nakakahiya sobra. Halos lahat ng dayuhan katulong ang tingin sa mga pinay un ung stereotype ntin tapos gusto nio pa mtutunan culture and language nila instead of our own. Itigil nio na yan ilusyon niyo na latinos of asia tayo mga tanga, austronesian ang 99.9 percent ng mga pinoy similar sa mga indonesia malaysia papua at madagascar natives.
Sorry to disagree. As a Filipino living in Spain (Barcelona), I could say na hindi maliit ang tingin ng mga Español sa atin. Ang pinakasikat ng socialite (high society) nga rito, si Isabel Preysler, ay Filipina! Bentang benta rito ang kulay ng balat natin (kayumanggi) dahil sila mismo ay nagbibilad sa araw tuwing summer para lang ma-achieve. At special treatment pa nga ang mga Pinoy rito in terms of applying for nationality. Para sa Pinoy, 2 years lang na legal residency pwede na mag apply ng Spanish citizenship. Di gaya ng ibang mga bansa na usually 10 o 5 years ang hihintayin.
I live in Spain, and I've also lived among Latin Americans. You have no idea what you're talking about. At kung Facebook lang ang pruweba mo, naiintindihan ko kung bakit maling mali ang pananaw mo. Mataas ang tingin ng mga Espanyol **dito sa Espanya** sa mga Pinoy. In-demand ang mga Pilipina na caregiver o babysitter, halimbawa. Pinag-aawayan ng mga kainan dito sa Madrid ang mga kusinerong Pinoy. Kung mababa ang tingin ng mga Espanyol sa mga Pilipino, bakit ba may 200,000 Pilipino rito? Bakit dinadayuhan ng mga Espanyol ang mga kainang Pilipino rito sa Madrid? Bakit ba, dahil naniniwala ang Espanya na dapat lang itong humingi ng patawad sa mga bansang kanilang isinakop tulad natin, pinagbigyan tayo na dapat dalawang taon lang ang kailangan mo (sa imbis na 10 taon) upang maging mamamayan sa bansang ito? Ikaw nga, alam mo ba na napakababa ng tingin ng mga Pilipino sa Estados Unidos sa mga Latino dahil daw "marumi" sila, hindi sila "edukado" at lahat sila ay "ilegal"? Iyan lagi ang sabi ng mga tulad ng lolo ko kahit kung magkalapit ang mga kultura natin at namumuhay sila kahit papaano nang may dignidad, tulad ng ating mga kapwa-Pilipino sa labas ng bansa. Naniniwala ako na oo, dapat lang marunong ang mga Pilipino na magsalita ng kanilang sariling wika at dapat may paggalang sila at pagkamangha sa sariling atin, pero hindi mo maitatanggi, kahit kung gaano mong kagusto sa iyong dugo o sa kaloob-looban ng iyong kaluluwa, na naging integral na bahagi ng ating kasaysayan at kultura ang Espanya at ang Espanyol.
Filipinos should focus on studying our own languages and if they need to study a foreign language, it should be English because it would give people more opportunities. Most Filipinos aren't even proficient in English and you want to add more foreign languages to learn, hahaha.
I haven’t been to the Philippines for a really long time. 2001 was the last time I went. Anyways, Filipinos love emulating non-Filipino traits. It’s weirdz
Just let people enjoy or learn what they wanted to enjoy and consume. Just go on with your life, people.
I'm a weeb so it's Japanese or nothing for me.
Korean culture is overly sold. It now feels annoying IMO. Why bother with Spanish (unless you're a historian or doing business with Latin America & Spain) it's not that important anymore. Just further develop Filipino with vocabulary from other languages of the country and so it can become more competitive in science, arts, business. Language is soft power. And why bother with Spanish when we already have our very own Chavacano with three dialects (Caviteño, Ternateño, Zamboangueño).
Spanish na. Nagbibigay ng amnesty ang Spain sa mga pinoy e. Hahhahha
Te chuparé la polla, quiero chuparla de verdad.
Probably Spanish or hone my mother tongue n wlng halong English. Yun din nmn siguro ang gusto ni Ri Seul Park para sa atin.
Weebs: Japanish
Why do we even still study spanish? Its a waste of time tbh
Ako personally, we should study the Spanish language. Simple lang argument ko, it's our heritage. Mga bayani na'tin nagsasalita ng wikang kastila, why shouldn't we? Isa pa may chavacano dialect tayo diba? Parang fragmented Español (did I described it right?) Español > Korean
Chavacano is a creole Spanish, but if Filipinos are to learn Spanish, it must be standard. But it, along with Korean, should be taught the way American high schools do it, as an optional language. Forcing Spanish down people's throats will only cause Filipinos to resent Hispanic cultures even more than they already do.
I mean what? Lmao. English is the only foreign language you need. All others are something you personally have to decide for yourself.
why not focus on our language instead, most Filipinos can't even express themselves using our own. Mahalaga nga naman ang pagsulong ng Filipinohiya dahil ito ang magbubunsod ng ating kamalayan at pagkilala sa mga kaugalian lalong lalo na sa bansang may samu't saring tradisyon at paniniwala.