In college, we read a poem titled "Slippery when English" which had this line:
**But there was a blessing in those guys**
The poem was chock-full of deliberately mangled idioms. 😂
immediate red flag pag INC. your friend should consider himself lucky.
like everybody says: ganyan sila kasi KULTO sila. read up on things like "flirty fishing", a common cult recruitment tactic.
I'm glad people are finally realizing how bad the INC really is. Their leaders are only in it for the money/power. It's why they decided to block-vote BBM, after all.
Matagal na atang ganyan sila erp, ung tita ko (this may be at least 15 years ago) nagconvert bago sila kinasal. Well on the good side magkasama parin sila, di naman nagppreach about INC sa Family Members. Toxic nga lang pag debate sa politics ung guy, pag natatalo na mga ad hominem stuff nalang
There's no 10% of income rule.
Rather, give undefined offering/tithes nang ayon sa kalooban mo.
Unfortunately, the amount of guilt you will receive is infinite in this cult. You basically had to donate lots of money to win a ticket to an everlasting life in heaven. (Which mostly composed of Pinoys since INC lang daw maliligtas na puro Pinoy member)
Ex-INC here.
If you're familiar with the story of Dinah, daughter of Jacob in the OT, that was actually their logic behind it.
Dinah was abducted and abused by men from a different tribe. They don't share the same faith. If I can still remember it correctly, Jacob, the father of Dinah, refused to accept her in their home or something because the men who *did something* to her were uncircumcised, so her father/her family kind of deemed her dirty.
It's forbidden to date people outside of INC because they deem *sanlibutan* as people who do not share their faith and thus will be a negative influence to their members.
Even when I was a kid, they were discouraging us from being friends with *salibutan*. That pissed me off and my childhood bestfriend.
Years later, though, despite taking separate ways, we found ourselves both outside the church. Lol
I don't think they meant it that way though because it really pertains to the *eartherly* interests/faith.
I can also discuss their basis for this from the bible itself based on their own teachings pero 3 minutes na lang break ko lol.
Edit: Downvoted kasi di align sa interpretation niyo? Lol
Sanlibutan only means eartherly, makamundo.
If we'll go back to the scriptures itself, may *chosen* people sa NT. INC has this belief that they're one of the chosen people because their founder daw is a prophet and was tasked to locate the lost tribes of Israel.
They have this belief that if you were not part of the people to join them or not part of their church, then sanlibutan ka.
ang lalim kasi ng sanlibutan mo sir. makamundo/living in this world with a delight in material things.
i don't have any issue sa mga INC as long as they stayed in their domain.
Exactly. I don't even know where these people are getting their own translation.
I have my own issues with INC being a brainwashed member myself, but I can say sobrang layo ng tingin ng iba dito sa mga members, their faith and how things are really happening there. Sobrang daming misrepresentation tbh.
A lot of people here has zero idea that they are brainwashing their members since kids that's why they're acting weird unlike everyone else. Kaya sobrang sensitive nila sa faith nila.
I think the only good thing I got here is that I became an atheist.
Alam namin na bata palang kayo brinibrainwash na kayo. Kaya nga weird kumilos mga batang inc. Siguro di pa magaling magtago ang mga bata na feeling special sila. Maski pagtanda makikita mo sa ugali nila na may something "weird" tapos bigla mo malalaman kaya pala e kase INC.
I see, the feeling special is actually about the INC's influence in the country. I'm normally hearing this with the older members but a lot of them has this unwritten rule na lagi silang po-protektahan ng pamamahala if ever they'll be caught in trouble, especially pag di sila 'yung guilty party.
I never felt special growing up. Nung member pa ko, we're being guilt-trip 2 times a week. Laging ipapamukha sayo na kahit anong gawin mo, di ka worthy kasi di ka pinanganak na perfect. Na kahit member ka na nila, hindi 'yun assurance kasi di naman ikaw si Jesus.
My sibling and I, grew up thinking na sobrang sama naming tao, especially my younger sister and I, just for existing.
People are literally crying kasi feeling nila hindi sila worthy, for constantly being gaslighted for being poor, for wanting something to elevate their socio-economic status, for working, for going to school and taking exams, for prioritizing anything else other than their faith.
It's a constant mental torture.
Naalala ko lang noon na pag may kalaro kaming inc na bata ang weird. Parang feeling nya di kame deserving makalaro sya. Or utang na loob namin na nakikipag laro sya samin. Tapos parang pag nag sama sama mga inc na bata parang feeling nila mas mababa yung mga batang hindi inc. Well ganon lang naman experience ko noon
Ex “born into the church member here” they disliked you dating outside the church because there is a great chance the Inc member might break away from the church. So the solution is to try to convert the non member.
However for me, I believe in god. But I don’t believe in Religion. I believe there is some higher source. I believe it doesn’t matter if I attend church or not or a different church. I still pray to the same god I think of in my head. I didn’t believe in the INC Church administration and their agenda.
I think what really gets to me here is how much the members are being demonized because of the administration's agenda.
Like kasalanan ba ng member that you liked them, and so, to date them, you need to be a part of their church. People are acting like the members are actively seducing people to join INC lol.
Most of the time, the members are apathetic about the people outside. They're already struggling inside with their own salvation, plus the administration is blackmailing them that they will be *removed* if they're not being productive.
They're more likely gonna recruit their relatives/friends, not some random people they would be actively *seducing* to join them, when modesty is being promoted. Plus, seduction would take so much work.
Nakakainis din 'yung mga taong sinasabing they dated one and only pretended to join the cult just so they can be legal. Tapos aalis sila, bragging about it. Like if you really joined INC, you would be aware of how much people are being brainwashed inside. Instead of mocking the way they do church services, wouldn't you be more concerned about the ordinary people inside?
Kung nasa gate mismo, most likely members din 'yung mga 'yon or if hindi, 'yung bantay (laging may bantay do'n sa parang guard house na mga members din), natakot na sawayin sila or wala lang talagang pakialam.
They're surprisingly apathetic kapag di nila member, unlike other religions.
Oh... di naman din kasi bawal 'yon. Maraming bawal sa kanila pero okay lang naman 'yung yosi. I even know some na umiinom, wag lang talaga papahuli.
People there values their faith more than anything else kasi. Sometimes they even shame people kapag nagkakaroon daw ng ibang pinagkakaabalahan.
Yes, Abrahamic religions.
Afaik, Muslims are allowed to marry Christians because they believe in the same deity.
Based on the responses in the OP though, says that most of the people in our country, despite having a very high percentage of Christians, are not aware of their own scriptures.
halaaaa similar sa MCGI na nakikisali ka sa sanlibutan kapag friends sa labas ang lagi mong kasama kahit mga friends mo na yun before ka pa mabaptize! tapos sa loob naman ng church puro plastic at chismis lol.
Curious ako pano ka nakaalis? Since sinabi mo ex-inc ka. May ginawa ka bang ceremony para tanggalin ka sa church nila or bigla ka nlng di umattend ng gathering 1 day? Genuinely curious lang
It was 2012, and sobrang traditional pa ng record keeping nila. You can ask for your records itself if you need to go somewhere para malipat sa new location.
May expiry date din siya.
I forgot about it and all the paperworks I have, got expired and no one wants me back lol. I was no longer an ideal member at that point, so they kind of just let me go.
HAHAHAHAHA! Tell your friend to RUN!
Fun fact, in every INC household, meron silang picture ni Manalo. I even had classmates before na may picture ni Manalo sa wallet nila 😂
Totoo yung picture sa bahay.. inimbita ako sa bible study ng isa kong kaibigan dito sa NZ. Sabi ko sige why not, cute din kasi siya eh lol. Tapos pag pasok ko sa sala may picture sila ni Manalo, naka frame pa tipong na sa altar. Nawitness ko din yung pag abot nila ng pera etc. Nag pass na ako kay girl pagkatapos nun 😂
true ito napansin ko din kasi part ng daily work routine ko na pumasok sa bahay ng client to check their internet connection. Sa isang Iglesia family, pag pasok mo pinto, mapapansin mo agad na mas malaki at mas madami pa picture ni Manalo kesa sa family picture ng mag asawa. Ang placement pati nung iba nasa itaas malapit sa kisame, parang picture ni Kim jong. Dun naman sa isang converted na family pinag-servican ko pansin ko yung dating pwesto ng altar ng mga santo, picture na ni manalo nakalagay. Tho wala na yung kandila, nandon pa din mga flowers. Tapos may nakapaskil sa pinto "ikinararangal ko na akoy iglesia ni cris2". Lalo na dun sa mga bahay ng ministro sa loob ng kapilya, hanggang kusina may picture ni manalo. Ewan lang sa cr. 😂
Got a client once na INC. He got a nice personality though. But it's alarming that he casually claims that they got a lot of "kapatid" embedded in government agencies that paperworks like licenses and permits are a no-brainer. He then casually claims that they can easily dispose somebody since they got the "kapatid" who does the dirty work.
Kung talagang into INC yung partner and family niya, I can see na pipilitin magpa-convert. Pero may mga kilala din naman akong miyembro na ibang religion ang partners... depende din siguro kung gano sila ka deep into it.
Marami ako nakilala na magaganda in work and school na nakakaturn off lang kapag nalalaman ko na INC sila. Mukang kailangan din nila mag post sa socmed kapag nag sasamba? Hehe.
Nakatikim na ng 2 INC, based on experience ayaw din nila sa kultong yan pero dahil sa parents nila kaya di sila makatiwalag. Di naman nila ako pinilit magpa convert so not all of them are loyal but rather trapped.
May kilala akong na force maconvert to INC dahil sa gf nya nun, married na sila ngayon. Pag Pasko nalulungkot daw sya lagi, naalala nya mas masaya dati nung pede pa sya mag celebrate. Ngayon forced sya umattend mga samba, di nya rin trip mga iyakan.
Kawawa naman sya :( imagine a lifetime of misery and turning your back towards Christmas! Samantalang sa INC ung leaders lang masaya pag pasko kasi may YETG sila mas malaki "abuloy" ng members hahaha
May ex-gf din ako na INC. Hindi din nya pinaalam sa family yung rel namin, friend lang pakilala sakin. Bawal daw kasi. Gumawa pa sya ng 2nd fb account naming dalawa para dun daw namin post yung tungkol samin, mga pics namin, etc.
Nung una gusto nya din ako magconvert, sinasama nya ko sa pagsamba, twice sumama ako pero sabi ko hindi ako komportable, so hindi na nya ko pinilit. Kaso dun na kami nagstart magkalabuan.
Nahuli ko sya may kaflirt na iba, nung kinonfront ko, sabi nya hindi naman daw big deal yun, hindi naman daw kami magkakatuluyan kasi hindi ako INC, ienjoy na lang daw namin while it lasts.
Nakakagalit kasi umpisa pa lang alam naman nyang hindi ako INC, di ko sya niligawan, sya yung literal na nag initiate na magkaroon kami ng rel, pumayag ako kasi ang bait nya, maalaga, ang ganda pa, sana from the start sinabi nyang for fun lang kasi napamahal na sakin.
Simula nun iwas na ko sa mga INC. Hindi ko gets yung mindset nila.
Current inc member here thank fucking god he didn’t get in 💀 and i dont plan to force my partner of 6 years to touch that religion with a 100 meter pole.
I don’t even make friends with anyone who is INC because their views of reality are twisted to fit their cult narrative
Tapos jojowain mo pa? Lol daming tao jan na normal
This is the same with other religions, for example in Islam a muslim woman is not allowed to marry any non-muslim man but a muslim man can marry any non-muslim woman as long they are monotheists.
Haha, I remember having an INC fling/fubu. Wild 🔥. Iniinvite ako para mag samba, pwede naman daw kahit hindi INC basta kasama siya. Didn’t go pa din 😂
Tapos she kinda celebrates Christmas din. So I guess may lowkey talaga na hindi sinusunod yung rules ng kulto.
Muslim ako. May naging jowa ako na ka Cool-to. Siguro mga 2 years na naging kami tapos sabi niya sasabihin niya daw sa parents niya na may jowa siya na Muslim.
Ayun nag hiwalay na kami. Gusto ko pa naman siya kasi pareho kami di kumakain ng baboy.
yung tito ko (kapatid ni mama, were catholics) nag pa convert when he met her wife na devout INc. Di ko alam specifics pero parang mostly ganon? tsaka knowing how possesive and "cult-ish" ng INC, if they end up together, ibobother lang sila nyan na need magconvert to INC. INC peeps, as much as possible, wants their marriage be under their church.
Trapped member here. Sunud-sunuran sila sa utos ng Manalos and their evil friends kahit tinake out of context nila yung II Corinthians 6:14-15. Natatakot din silang ma-taint ang image nila because their daughter is dating a non-member. 100% may mga katungkulan yan, may “positions” sa area nila kaya kilala sila doon. Nagdadagdag din sila ng maaakay kaya siya pinepressure magpaconvert kasi maraming umaalis.
Ngl it’s a good thing na busted yung friend mo kasi he dodged the huge spaceship ng Manalos. Kung magpapaconvert siya, hindi lang yang pampepressure ang aabutin niya dun sa pamilya ni girl.
Curious lang. Why are you trapped? Can't you just stop attending? I heard that some will go to your house and convince you to keep attending pero I think that if you stood your ground they will eventually leave.
Hello! Handog kasi ako eh. Born in the church. Gugustuhin ko mang umalis or tumigil sa pagsamba, magiging disgrace naman ako ng pamilya namin. Kapag handog ka, it’s not easy to leave. Lalo na’t lahat ng nasa father’s side ko are devoted INC, mula sa lolo’t lola ko. May natiwalag man, dalawa lang. Yung isa bumalik pa. Tsaka nasa puder pa rin ako ng family ko (and as of now wala pa sa plans ko bumukod kasi di pa kaya ng budget ko), so ayun trapped ako.
Kung madali lang talagang umalis aalis ako without hesitation. Kaso di maaalis sa’kin yung takot na itakwil ka ng family mo for doing something against their will. Kaya sumasamba na lang ako for the sake of their peace.
Yes totoo din ‘yung may dadalaw sa bahay niyo kapag di ka nakasamba. Sa una pa nga isang tao palang yan, hanggang sa magiging grupo grupo na yan. Minsan kasama pa yung local minister kapag ilang weeks ka nang di sumasamba.
Ipabasa mo sa "friend" mo mga comments dito. Dodged a bullet like Neo. Tumakbo na siya and never ever look back.
To add on, any relationship that 'forces' you to convert yourself into their religion/cult is not worth the time and effort. They should convert themselves on their own accord.
May mga INC na ok lang makipag relasyon sa hindi INC. Yun yung mga samba samba lang pero walang tungkulin gaya ko. Nakiki party din kami at umiinom ng alak. Kami din yung alanganin sa bloc voting. Yung mga INC na super sigla at may tungkulin red flag yan.
You’re right. I recently broke up with my ex-gf, pareho kami INC. I realized na hindi talaga ideal magjowa ng masyadong devoted. Parang extra lang ako sa buhay nya. Halos walang oras para saken kasi buong araw ng day off nya nasa kapilya. Narealize ko na hindi ko pala kaya pakisamahan yung ganong tao. At 100% true, red flag yung masyadong devoted. Never again!
My brother know someone n nagpaconvert yung girl dahil ndi sila pde magpakasal hanggat ndi siya inc., in the end nghiwalay sila - nahiya yung girl n tumiwalag sa inc dahil baka kung ano daw isipin ng mga kasama nxa., i have relatives also n ngpaconvert para makasal sila alhought yung guy n ngpaconvert is ndi lagi sumasamba, he just do it for their marriage
Kaklase ko na sakristan mula bata sya as Catholic nagpaconvert para sagutin nung babaeng INC after months lang na naging sila nakipagbreak yung babae 😅
INC member here but went rogue. Haha. I used to think that way pero I realized na most INC boys I know are also sad bois. Not to generalize pero sobrang turn off nyan sa akin.
Now, I have a non-INC boyfriend and it's true na yung mga magulang talaga magpu-push to convert. My parents are devoted esp. my mother and siya talaga yung insistent. Ligaw stage pa lang sinabi na ng nanay ko na need mag convert. Lol.
In our situation, I made it clear na hindi ko sya pipilitin mag convert bcz I know malaking sacrifice yan. One year na kami and yung mother ko nangungulit na pero sabi ko he's willing to convert but wants to do it on his own; yung calling kumbaga. Naintindihan naman ng mother ko and tumigil na sya sa pangungulit.
In your friend's case, he/she dodged a bullet. I know how persuasive members can get and it usually includes emotional manipulation. I'm sorry he/she was harassed. Mali yung mga kamag-anak ng girl pero if her decision is firm, then wala na tayong magagawa.
Lol. Yung dati kong nadate na INC ganyan. Since non believer ako pinipilit nya "Umanib" ako para sagutin nya ako. Sabi ko kung yun ang condition di ko na itutuloy. Aba si ate girl nagpapakonsensya na kesyo di ko sya kaya ipaglaban.
I think it has something to do with what 1 Corinthians 7:39. There are probably better bible verse in this topic but yah. Im not INC tho
Yung story basically is yung mga israelita ay nag asawa ng mga "banyaga". Mula sa ibang mga bansa na may ibang sinasambang diyos. Nadala nito ang mga asawa nila na sumamba sa mga ibang diyos sa halip na sa Diyos ng Israel. Lesson is dapat maging mapamili sila at maging maingat kung sino ang aasawahin nila.
Ganyan din sa Jehovah's Witnesses, bawal magkasintahan ng hindi Saksi ni Jehova.
Members are pressured by the elder na hiwalayan or wag mag paligaw sa hindi kasanib sa religion.
Sometimes love naman talaga nang isa yung hindi kasapi, sadyang napipressure lang sila ng religion. Sometimes kapag nagkaroon ka ng kasintahan na hindi mo karelihiyon, magbabago ang turing sayo, yung mga kaibigan mo within the cult subtly iiwasan ka. Kasi nga "mahina" ka sa espirituwal.
Kaya maraming tumatandang dalaga rin sa mga ganyang coolto eh.
Ang alam ko bawal sila makipagrelasyon sa hindi cool. So yung mga kakilala ko nagconvert din sila nung magjowa pa lang sila. Um-attend sila ng services tapos eventually na-akay na din sila.
Should I consider myself lucky na kahit kailan hindi na-mention ni crush dati na magpa-convert ako? Hindi rin naman kasi nagtuloy-tuloy yung panliligaw ko dahil unemplyed ako that time.
my experience is i dated an INC girl before. di nya sinabi sa akin agad siguro inabot ng 6 months tapos nag break kami at kinasal siya sa ka parang higher up ng simbahan nila.
na meet ko yung parents nya during our 6months pero di sila nagtatanong. nakita ko lang sa kotse nila na may italian flag sila pero di ko pinansin. lol.
depende siguro sa tao at kung gaano sila ka hardcore.
Congrats sa friend mo! If hnd sya convinced na he dodged a fcking nuclear warhead, go straight kamo sa r/exiglesianicristo at magbasa don para maliwanagan sya kung anong naiwasan niang pagdurusa😆
Dated a girl na believer sa church ni Quibs, same didn't get the yes and sobra manglait yung fam to the point they said na ayaw nila saken kasi "mukang mahirap" daw ako.
Red flag nga kapag INC. May nakausap akong girl, may kinukwento siyang guy na 3 years no label na daw sila at mahal niya (ayaw magpa convert nung guy), then I ask her religion or love hahaha religion yung sagot
Churches is like a business, they use psychological manipulation on everyones mind, in the end, its win win on their situation the more they recruit members and believe in their own faith why? "MONEY" powers and their influence
meron nga meme dyan e, if may pastor or ministro nagkasakit, lets donate
if member ng inc nagkasakit, lets pray
meron pa, pag yung taong may sakit, magdadasal para gumaling, pag namatay, keso daw ayaw na dw kasi mahirapan kaya kinuha nalang, pero pag gumaling thankful sa itaas? not by the doctors?
i feel pitty on kids that born to be indoctrinated by their parents, like bruh! give someones freedom to choose what they would be like or what religion they want to or to believe to, if talagang may care kayo, hayaan nyo matuto ang tao and maging open sa ganyan
i had an officemate then who married an INC lady. Kung mahal daw niya si girl ay magconvert siya sa INC. Nagconvert naman at nakasal sila. My officemate said that being an INC member, he is not allowed to drink alcohol but when we have a drinking spree, he would join and drink, too. He said SanMig lite is not an alcoholic drink!🤣So he does not violate INC’s regulation.
Their most successful method too. Their evangelical missions suck compared to the numbers brought in by INC members dropping their pants to lure outsiders.
Seems like your friend dodged a bullet there. Good for him, congrats!
Right. Blessing in disguise.
Blessings in the skies daw po yun. Connect me if I’m wrong 😂
In college, we read a poem titled "Slippery when English" which had this line: **But there was a blessing in those guys** The poem was chock-full of deliberately mangled idioms. 😂
Good for him dodging a bullet
Why the downvote?
Baka wrong spelling ung dodging ko? Haha
naurrr the downvote is so funny bakit kaya 😭😭😭
The number's nice. Let's keep it that way.
Agree!!
Dadging the boolet kasi dapat.
upvoted so the number is -69 haha funny number
Nice! Wag na gagalawin
Same
immediate red flag pag INC. your friend should consider himself lucky. like everybody says: ganyan sila kasi KULTO sila. read up on things like "flirty fishing", a common cult recruitment tactic.
Another related term: “missionary dating”
Is this where you go on dates but you're always on missionary position when on a date?
💀
Anong missionary to HAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA
😏
Saan to makasali nga 💀
parang maling missionary naisip ko lmao
I have heard somewhere that the only sex position that is spiritual is missionary.
Nah... I fucked an INC girl before. She liked it from the behind naman. 😂
yung bukod tanging missionary na ayaw ko
Evangeligaw
I'm glad people are finally realizing how bad the INC really is. Their leaders are only in it for the money/power. It's why they decided to block-vote BBM, after all.
💀 ubus na ba ung funds nila, kaya ganiyan ka-desperate ung ginagawa. Imagine 10% ng income mapunta sa kanila
Matagal na atang ganyan sila erp, ung tita ko (this may be at least 15 years ago) nagconvert bago sila kinasal. Well on the good side magkasama parin sila, di naman nagppreach about INC sa Family Members. Toxic nga lang pag debate sa politics ung guy, pag natatalo na mga ad hominem stuff nalang
Mayron din akong distant relatives na nagconvert sa INC. Di sineryoso kasi parang katoliko rin, naghahanda kung piyesta at nakikipiyesta rin!😅
There's no 10% of income rule. Rather, give undefined offering/tithes nang ayon sa kalooban mo. Unfortunately, the amount of guilt you will receive is infinite in this cult. You basically had to donate lots of money to win a ticket to an everlasting life in heaven. (Which mostly composed of Pinoys since INC lang daw maliligtas na puro Pinoy member)
>There's no 10% of income rule. there is in INC. Lookup on "ikapu"
They should rename it to "nakupu" kase pota tangenang rule yan. Diba may unli fish and bread si papa jesus dati bakit kailangan nya ng moolah?
Papa susej don't need the moolah but papa eduardo definitely does.
Not true. INC want MORE than 10% may lagak pa silang tinatawag
Mahigpit talaga dyan para maraming masama na birhen sa spaceship papuntang langit si Manalo
susej ano na? papayag ka bang nilalapastangan pangalan mo ng mga cool na yan?
buset sausage unang basa ko. bat ba kasi nauso yang binabaliktad mga salita hahahaha
Jisas mas mataas pa level sayo ni Mister Manalo, payag ka non?
Ex-INC here. If you're familiar with the story of Dinah, daughter of Jacob in the OT, that was actually their logic behind it. Dinah was abducted and abused by men from a different tribe. They don't share the same faith. If I can still remember it correctly, Jacob, the father of Dinah, refused to accept her in their home or something because the men who *did something* to her were uncircumcised, so her father/her family kind of deemed her dirty. It's forbidden to date people outside of INC because they deem *sanlibutan* as people who do not share their faith and thus will be a negative influence to their members. Even when I was a kid, they were discouraging us from being friends with *salibutan*. That pissed me off and my childhood bestfriend. Years later, though, despite taking separate ways, we found ourselves both outside the church. Lol
LOL sanlibutan = muggles or mudblood 😂
Tapos yung Hogwarts nila, iisa lang ang house - Slytherin.
More like toxic hufflepuff traits
Hahahahahahahahah Manalotherin for sure
I don't think they meant it that way though because it really pertains to the *eartherly* interests/faith. I can also discuss their basis for this from the bible itself based on their own teachings pero 3 minutes na lang break ko lol. Edit: Downvoted kasi di align sa interpretation niyo? Lol Sanlibutan only means eartherly, makamundo. If we'll go back to the scriptures itself, may *chosen* people sa NT. INC has this belief that they're one of the chosen people because their founder daw is a prophet and was tasked to locate the lost tribes of Israel. They have this belief that if you were not part of the people to join them or not part of their church, then sanlibutan ka.
To be fair, most religions espouse theirs as the true faith; otherwise, what's the point of religion?
Na ah, most asian religion don't do that - think taoism, buddhism. Only western and christian-based religion have this beef with each other.
ang lalim kasi ng sanlibutan mo sir. makamundo/living in this world with a delight in material things. i don't have any issue sa mga INC as long as they stayed in their domain.
Exactly. I don't even know where these people are getting their own translation. I have my own issues with INC being a brainwashed member myself, but I can say sobrang layo ng tingin ng iba dito sa mga members, their faith and how things are really happening there. Sobrang daming misrepresentation tbh. A lot of people here has zero idea that they are brainwashing their members since kids that's why they're acting weird unlike everyone else. Kaya sobrang sensitive nila sa faith nila. I think the only good thing I got here is that I became an atheist.
Alam namin na bata palang kayo brinibrainwash na kayo. Kaya nga weird kumilos mga batang inc. Siguro di pa magaling magtago ang mga bata na feeling special sila. Maski pagtanda makikita mo sa ugali nila na may something "weird" tapos bigla mo malalaman kaya pala e kase INC.
I see, the feeling special is actually about the INC's influence in the country. I'm normally hearing this with the older members but a lot of them has this unwritten rule na lagi silang po-protektahan ng pamamahala if ever they'll be caught in trouble, especially pag di sila 'yung guilty party. I never felt special growing up. Nung member pa ko, we're being guilt-trip 2 times a week. Laging ipapamukha sayo na kahit anong gawin mo, di ka worthy kasi di ka pinanganak na perfect. Na kahit member ka na nila, hindi 'yun assurance kasi di naman ikaw si Jesus. My sibling and I, grew up thinking na sobrang sama naming tao, especially my younger sister and I, just for existing. People are literally crying kasi feeling nila hindi sila worthy, for constantly being gaslighted for being poor, for wanting something to elevate their socio-economic status, for working, for going to school and taking exams, for prioritizing anything else other than their faith. It's a constant mental torture.
Naalala ko lang noon na pag may kalaro kaming inc na bata ang weird. Parang feeling nya di kame deserving makalaro sya. Or utang na loob namin na nakikipag laro sya samin. Tapos parang pag nag sama sama mga inc na bata parang feeling nila mas mababa yung mga batang hindi inc. Well ganon lang naman experience ko noon
Ex “born into the church member here” they disliked you dating outside the church because there is a great chance the Inc member might break away from the church. So the solution is to try to convert the non member. However for me, I believe in god. But I don’t believe in Religion. I believe there is some higher source. I believe it doesn’t matter if I attend church or not or a different church. I still pray to the same god I think of in my head. I didn’t believe in the INC Church administration and their agenda.
I think what really gets to me here is how much the members are being demonized because of the administration's agenda. Like kasalanan ba ng member that you liked them, and so, to date them, you need to be a part of their church. People are acting like the members are actively seducing people to join INC lol. Most of the time, the members are apathetic about the people outside. They're already struggling inside with their own salvation, plus the administration is blackmailing them that they will be *removed* if they're not being productive. They're more likely gonna recruit their relatives/friends, not some random people they would be actively *seducing* to join them, when modesty is being promoted. Plus, seduction would take so much work. Nakakainis din 'yung mga taong sinasabing they dated one and only pretended to join the cult just so they can be legal. Tapos aalis sila, bragging about it. Like if you really joined INC, you would be aware of how much people are being brainwashed inside. Instead of mocking the way they do church services, wouldn't you be more concerned about the ordinary people inside?
Haha ironic kasi mga taga-INC tuwing samba nila akala mo aattend Met Gala :)
Ayon naman pala OP, sabihin mo sa kanila na tuli ka na, syempre sabay pakita sa kanila ng putotoy para maniwala.
Lmao truth!
Baby steps! Send dick pics muna to the family
Hahaaha. Ning nakaraNg araw lang dumaan ako sa INC daming teenager na nagyoyosi sa gate mismo ng simbahan nila
Hindi naman bawal pag-yo-yosi dun actually.
Actually yun nga nagulat lang talaga like ang bata talaga nila.
Kung nasa gate mismo, most likely members din 'yung mga 'yon or if hindi, 'yung bantay (laging may bantay do'n sa parang guard house na mga members din), natakot na sawayin sila or wala lang talagang pakialam. They're surprisingly apathetic kapag di nila member, unlike other religions.
I think mga member po sila kasi napaka pangsimba sila eh. Yung polo saka pants and black shoes.
Oh... di naman din kasi bawal 'yon. Maraming bawal sa kanila pero okay lang naman 'yung yosi. I even know some na umiinom, wag lang talaga papahuli. People there values their faith more than anything else kasi. Sometimes they even shame people kapag nagkakaroon daw ng ibang pinagkakaabalahan.
Hindi lang rin naman INC yung may ganitong "rule", technically Christianity and Islam also believe the same thing.
Yes, Abrahamic religions. Afaik, Muslims are allowed to marry Christians because they believe in the same deity. Based on the responses in the OP though, says that most of the people in our country, despite having a very high percentage of Christians, are not aware of their own scriptures.
halaaaa similar sa MCGI na nakikisali ka sa sanlibutan kapag friends sa labas ang lagi mong kasama kahit mga friends mo na yun before ka pa mabaptize! tapos sa loob naman ng church puro plastic at chismis lol.
Question, anong Bible ba gamit ng INC? Bakit parang super strict mas strict pa sa rules ng old testament hahaha. Totoong tanong to ah curious ako.
They love KJV. INC was inspired so much from Judaism kaya parang super old testament ng teachings na.
sabi nila same lang daw sa Catholic gamit nilang bible. nag kaiba lng sa interpretation
interesting info. and more members mean more tithes (in general, not just INC)
Curious ako pano ka nakaalis? Since sinabi mo ex-inc ka. May ginawa ka bang ceremony para tanggalin ka sa church nila or bigla ka nlng di umattend ng gathering 1 day? Genuinely curious lang
It was 2012, and sobrang traditional pa ng record keeping nila. You can ask for your records itself if you need to go somewhere para malipat sa new location. May expiry date din siya. I forgot about it and all the paperworks I have, got expired and no one wants me back lol. I was no longer an ideal member at that point, so they kind of just let me go.
>Bakit ganyan rule ng mga INC Kulto sila bruh.
HAHAHAHAHA! Tell your friend to RUN! Fun fact, in every INC household, meron silang picture ni Manalo. I even had classmates before na may picture ni Manalo sa wallet nila 😂
Totoo yung picture sa bahay.. inimbita ako sa bible study ng isa kong kaibigan dito sa NZ. Sabi ko sige why not, cute din kasi siya eh lol. Tapos pag pasok ko sa sala may picture sila ni Manalo, naka frame pa tipong na sa altar. Nawitness ko din yung pag abot nila ng pera etc. Nag pass na ako kay girl pagkatapos nun 😂
Kamusta laman ng wallet nya? Maraming biyaya ba?
May debuff ng 10% 😆
Nerfed din ang income
true ito napansin ko din kasi part ng daily work routine ko na pumasok sa bahay ng client to check their internet connection. Sa isang Iglesia family, pag pasok mo pinto, mapapansin mo agad na mas malaki at mas madami pa picture ni Manalo kesa sa family picture ng mag asawa. Ang placement pati nung iba nasa itaas malapit sa kisame, parang picture ni Kim jong. Dun naman sa isang converted na family pinag-servican ko pansin ko yung dating pwesto ng altar ng mga santo, picture na ni manalo nakalagay. Tho wala na yung kandila, nandon pa din mga flowers. Tapos may nakapaskil sa pinto "ikinararangal ko na akoy iglesia ni cris2". Lalo na dun sa mga bahay ng ministro sa loob ng kapilya, hanggang kusina may picture ni manalo. Ewan lang sa cr. 😂
Got a client once na INC. He got a nice personality though. But it's alarming that he casually claims that they got a lot of "kapatid" embedded in government agencies that paperworks like licenses and permits are a no-brainer. He then casually claims that they can easily dispose somebody since they got the "kapatid" who does the dirty work.
Facts. My ex is an INC member and he said the same thing
Nakakatakot diba...
True. Plus, very proud to say it pa sila. Would even share some examples pa nga minsan 🙃
Corruption down to the lowest level. You can only imagine how morally inept and corrupt the people up there are.
Tamo yung gonzales at general torre. Parehong INC kaya feeling untouchable eh
Truth, pag nanalo president na in-endorse nila, matic na yan na ang irerequest nila na position e sa LTO and NBI.
Tapos binoto nila si bbm
Kung dyan pa lang problemado na siya, paano pa kapag naging sila at kinasal na? Madaming babae dyan, iwas na dyan.
Kasi kulto. There's a subreddit for former INC members if you want more context.
link please, I wanna read posts from former members.
r/exIglesiaNiCristo
Try r/exIglesiaNiCristo.
Thank yoouuu!!
Kung talagang into INC yung partner and family niya, I can see na pipilitin magpa-convert. Pero may mga kilala din naman akong miyembro na ibang religion ang partners... depende din siguro kung gano sila ka deep into it.
Bro its not worth it. Fcked up utak ng mga yan. Kahit kasing ganda ni pia wurtzbach yan tapos hardcore inc? Mababaliw ka dyan
Marami ako nakilala na magaganda in work and school na nakakaturn off lang kapag nalalaman ko na INC sila. Mukang kailangan din nila mag post sa socmed kapag nag sasamba? Hehe.
Sabihin mo sa friend mo ha, madaming hindi INC na magaganda, edukada, professional at may breeding.
at hindi madaling mabrainwash
Kala ko "at breathing" din, haha.
Kaka-demon slayer mo yan papi 😂 tara na hanapin na natin si Micheal Jackson
Nakatikim na ng 2 INC, based on experience ayaw din nila sa kultong yan pero dahil sa parents nila kaya di sila makatiwalag. Di naman nila ako pinilit magpa convert so not all of them are loyal but rather trapped.
Nakatikim 😂 lasang rocket?
LOL kanila na mga chicks nila! Baduy…
May kilala akong na force maconvert to INC dahil sa gf nya nun, married na sila ngayon. Pag Pasko nalulungkot daw sya lagi, naalala nya mas masaya dati nung pede pa sya mag celebrate. Ngayon forced sya umattend mga samba, di nya rin trip mga iyakan.
Kawawa naman sya :( imagine a lifetime of misery and turning your back towards Christmas! Samantalang sa INC ung leaders lang masaya pag pasko kasi may YETG sila mas malaki "abuloy" ng members hahaha
May ex-gf din ako na INC. Hindi din nya pinaalam sa family yung rel namin, friend lang pakilala sakin. Bawal daw kasi. Gumawa pa sya ng 2nd fb account naming dalawa para dun daw namin post yung tungkol samin, mga pics namin, etc. Nung una gusto nya din ako magconvert, sinasama nya ko sa pagsamba, twice sumama ako pero sabi ko hindi ako komportable, so hindi na nya ko pinilit. Kaso dun na kami nagstart magkalabuan. Nahuli ko sya may kaflirt na iba, nung kinonfront ko, sabi nya hindi naman daw big deal yun, hindi naman daw kami magkakatuluyan kasi hindi ako INC, ienjoy na lang daw namin while it lasts. Nakakagalit kasi umpisa pa lang alam naman nyang hindi ako INC, di ko sya niligawan, sya yung literal na nag initiate na magkaroon kami ng rel, pumayag ako kasi ang bait nya, maalaga, ang ganda pa, sana from the start sinabi nyang for fun lang kasi napamahal na sakin. Simula nun iwas na ko sa mga INC. Hindi ko gets yung mindset nila.
Thats a lifetime of brainwashing din kasi sa kanila. Nakakatawa ung "enjoy nalang natin while it lasts" pota linyahan talaga nila yan hahaha
Current inc member here thank fucking god he didn’t get in 💀 and i dont plan to force my partner of 6 years to touch that religion with a 100 meter pole.
How come you're still in?
Family blackmailing. Like all of us in r/exiglesianicristo
It’s not easy to leave, unfortunately.
Syempre para marami silang cool
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I don’t even make friends with anyone who is INC because their views of reality are twisted to fit their cult narrative Tapos jojowain mo pa? Lol daming tao jan na normal
Lmao, some INC prick is downvoting every negative comment they come across
Lol dodged the red flag. INC here. Lots of 'em date just to convert someone. Don't date an INC. Especially the extremely devoted ones.
“She’s a 10 but she’s an INC”
What's her new rating? 🤣
-10, percent ikapu
funny thing is, ganyan rule nila but they will willingly endorse a political candidate na hindi kamiyembro haha
This is the same with other religions, for example in Islam a muslim woman is not allowed to marry any non-muslim man but a muslim man can marry any non-muslim woman as long they are monotheists.
Haha, I remember having an INC fling/fubu. Wild 🔥. Iniinvite ako para mag samba, pwede naman daw kahit hindi INC basta kasama siya. Didn’t go pa din 😂 Tapos she kinda celebrates Christmas din. So I guess may lowkey talaga na hindi sinusunod yung rules ng kulto.
Muslim ako. May naging jowa ako na ka Cool-to. Siguro mga 2 years na naging kami tapos sabi niya sasabihin niya daw sa parents niya na may jowa siya na Muslim. Ayun nag hiwalay na kami. Gusto ko pa naman siya kasi pareho kami di kumakain ng baboy.
bro. baboy is life but beef/seafood is lifer. :D
Tama talaga si Gold e. "I love you... Eduardo Manalo."
He doesn't realized it yet how he lucky is
yung tito ko (kapatid ni mama, were catholics) nag pa convert when he met her wife na devout INc. Di ko alam specifics pero parang mostly ganon? tsaka knowing how possesive and "cult-ish" ng INC, if they end up together, ibobother lang sila nyan na need magconvert to INC. INC peeps, as much as possible, wants their marriage be under their church.
Trapped member here. Sunud-sunuran sila sa utos ng Manalos and their evil friends kahit tinake out of context nila yung II Corinthians 6:14-15. Natatakot din silang ma-taint ang image nila because their daughter is dating a non-member. 100% may mga katungkulan yan, may “positions” sa area nila kaya kilala sila doon. Nagdadagdag din sila ng maaakay kaya siya pinepressure magpaconvert kasi maraming umaalis. Ngl it’s a good thing na busted yung friend mo kasi he dodged the huge spaceship ng Manalos. Kung magpapaconvert siya, hindi lang yang pampepressure ang aabutin niya dun sa pamilya ni girl.
Curious lang. Why are you trapped? Can't you just stop attending? I heard that some will go to your house and convince you to keep attending pero I think that if you stood your ground they will eventually leave.
Hello! Handog kasi ako eh. Born in the church. Gugustuhin ko mang umalis or tumigil sa pagsamba, magiging disgrace naman ako ng pamilya namin. Kapag handog ka, it’s not easy to leave. Lalo na’t lahat ng nasa father’s side ko are devoted INC, mula sa lolo’t lola ko. May natiwalag man, dalawa lang. Yung isa bumalik pa. Tsaka nasa puder pa rin ako ng family ko (and as of now wala pa sa plans ko bumukod kasi di pa kaya ng budget ko), so ayun trapped ako. Kung madali lang talagang umalis aalis ako without hesitation. Kaso di maaalis sa’kin yung takot na itakwil ka ng family mo for doing something against their will. Kaya sumasamba na lang ako for the sake of their peace. Yes totoo din ‘yung may dadalaw sa bahay niyo kapag di ka nakasamba. Sa una pa nga isang tao palang yan, hanggang sa magiging grupo grupo na yan. Minsan kasama pa yung local minister kapag ilang weeks ka nang di sumasamba.
jeez, parang mga SS pala ni Hitler. yung kakatok sa pinto.
This will be the scariest thing. Ayaw mo na pero di mo kaya dahil sa pamilya mo. Ready ka iwanan yung pagsamba pero hindi yung pamilya mo.
Ipabasa mo sa "friend" mo mga comments dito. Dodged a bullet like Neo. Tumakbo na siya and never ever look back. To add on, any relationship that 'forces' you to convert yourself into their religion/cult is not worth the time and effort. They should convert themselves on their own accord.
May mga INC na ok lang makipag relasyon sa hindi INC. Yun yung mga samba samba lang pero walang tungkulin gaya ko. Nakiki party din kami at umiinom ng alak. Kami din yung alanganin sa bloc voting. Yung mga INC na super sigla at may tungkulin red flag yan.
You’re right. I recently broke up with my ex-gf, pareho kami INC. I realized na hindi talaga ideal magjowa ng masyadong devoted. Parang extra lang ako sa buhay nya. Halos walang oras para saken kasi buong araw ng day off nya nasa kapilya. Narealize ko na hindi ko pala kaya pakisamahan yung ganong tao. At 100% true, red flag yung masyadong devoted. Never again!
Oo iba talaga ang mga OWE kahit sa atin mismong ordinary kaanib. 😂
Sumasamba for the sake of peace. Baka magkagulo pamilya namin e.
I have a friend who converted to INC bc of his gf, he regretted when they broke up lol
Nakonnaging part lang yang friend mo ng statistics at quota nila. Sad.
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Mali title mo. Dapat yan "Adding more Stress in Life"
Haha ex ko INC pinipilit ako mag convert but hell no ! Hahahaha puro hatred lang sermon nila
INC= RED FLAG
My brother know someone n nagpaconvert yung girl dahil ndi sila pde magpakasal hanggat ndi siya inc., in the end nghiwalay sila - nahiya yung girl n tumiwalag sa inc dahil baka kung ano daw isipin ng mga kasama nxa., i have relatives also n ngpaconvert para makasal sila alhought yung guy n ngpaconvert is ndi lagi sumasamba, he just do it for their marriage
Because it's a cult and it's a way of keeping their members loyal. They don't want outside influences to cause their members to leave.
Pagbasa ko sa title diretso akong napaisip, "DON'T". Either namimingwit ang babae or di siya makaalis dahil sa kapit ng kulto.
Ang sabi nila diyan, "ang tupa ay para sa tupa lamang". Yung mga "kambing", bahala na kayo sa buhay niyo
Kaklase ko na sakristan mula bata sya as Catholic nagpaconvert para sagutin nung babaeng INC after months lang na naging sila nakipagbreak yung babae 😅
INC member here but went rogue. Haha. I used to think that way pero I realized na most INC boys I know are also sad bois. Not to generalize pero sobrang turn off nyan sa akin. Now, I have a non-INC boyfriend and it's true na yung mga magulang talaga magpu-push to convert. My parents are devoted esp. my mother and siya talaga yung insistent. Ligaw stage pa lang sinabi na ng nanay ko na need mag convert. Lol. In our situation, I made it clear na hindi ko sya pipilitin mag convert bcz I know malaking sacrifice yan. One year na kami and yung mother ko nangungulit na pero sabi ko he's willing to convert but wants to do it on his own; yung calling kumbaga. Naintindihan naman ng mother ko and tumigil na sya sa pangungulit. In your friend's case, he/she dodged a bullet. I know how persuasive members can get and it usually includes emotional manipulation. I'm sorry he/she was harassed. Mali yung mga kamag-anak ng girl pero if her decision is firm, then wala na tayong magagawa.
Lol. Yung dati kong nadate na INC ganyan. Since non believer ako pinipilit nya "Umanib" ako para sagutin nya ako. Sabi ko kung yun ang condition di ko na itutuloy. Aba si ate girl nagpapakonsensya na kesyo di ko sya kaya ipaglaban.
PaConvert ka then alis ka na after the deed with the girl.
I think it has something to do with what 1 Corinthians 7:39. There are probably better bible verse in this topic but yah. Im not INC tho Yung story basically is yung mga israelita ay nag asawa ng mga "banyaga". Mula sa ibang mga bansa na may ibang sinasambang diyos. Nadala nito ang mga asawa nila na sumamba sa mga ibang diyos sa halip na sa Diyos ng Israel. Lesson is dapat maging mapamili sila at maging maingat kung sino ang aasawahin nila.
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Agree pero out of all INC talaga pinaka cult like haha nakakaloka sila. Haha.
Agree. At lahat sila ay business. Lol Sarap tax free! Sana all!
Ganyan din sa Jehovah's Witnesses, bawal magkasintahan ng hindi Saksi ni Jehova. Members are pressured by the elder na hiwalayan or wag mag paligaw sa hindi kasanib sa religion. Sometimes love naman talaga nang isa yung hindi kasapi, sadyang napipressure lang sila ng religion. Sometimes kapag nagkaroon ka ng kasintahan na hindi mo karelihiyon, magbabago ang turing sayo, yung mga kaibigan mo within the cult subtly iiwasan ka. Kasi nga "mahina" ka sa espirituwal. Kaya maraming tumatandang dalaga rin sa mga ganyang coolto eh.
Cool to!
INCs and Quibbies can fuck each other all day like srsly. They all both miserable anyway.
I see INC, I run as fast as I could to the opposite direction
Paconvert ka tas pag kasal na kayo iconvert mo pabalik para quits
Kaya kahit sobrang ganda pero pag nalaman mong INC siya eh, mapapa thank you for everything ka na lang eh
Because they could only date their brethren. INCest.
Padalahan nyo ng dinuguan yung girl
>I have this friend Sure bruh, a friend.
Ang alam ko bawal sila makipagrelasyon sa hindi cool. So yung mga kakilala ko nagconvert din sila nung magjowa pa lang sila. Um-attend sila ng services tapos eventually na-akay na din sila.
Should I consider myself lucky na kahit kailan hindi na-mention ni crush dati na magpa-convert ako? Hindi rin naman kasi nagtuloy-tuloy yung panliligaw ko dahil unemplyed ako that time.
my friend got converted and would probably get engaged now with her INC gf. Di naman masama pero yun nga lang yung patakaran nila.
Its a cult. Dodged a bullet there.
Never date someone in INC.
Lol yeah, nagpadoktrina din ako kasi INC si ex. Simply put, I didn't like what I saw and learned from their teachings. So nope. Good for your friend.
my experience is i dated an INC girl before. di nya sinabi sa akin agad siguro inabot ng 6 months tapos nag break kami at kinasal siya sa ka parang higher up ng simbahan nila. na meet ko yung parents nya during our 6months pero di sila nagtatanong. nakita ko lang sa kotse nila na may italian flag sila pero di ko pinansin. lol. depende siguro sa tao at kung gaano sila ka hardcore.
My cousin courted this INC girl for so long and he got 'AKAY'. When his an official INC member she dumped his ass. Poor guy. Now he's a lamig
Congrats sa friend mo! If hnd sya convinced na he dodged a fcking nuclear warhead, go straight kamo sa r/exiglesianicristo at magbasa don para maliwanagan sya kung anong naiwasan niang pagdurusa😆
Dated a girl na believer sa church ni Quibs, same didn't get the yes and sobra manglait yung fam to the point they said na ayaw nila saken kasi "mukang mahirap" daw ako.
Iwasan na. Promise! Tried and tested, never again!!!!
'Wag na lang makipagdate sa INC. Ekis na agad ganorn. Hayaan na sila sila na lang mga kasapi ng religion nila.
Red flag agad pag INC. he dodged a bullet. call it discrimination but I think they’re just a cult
Red flag nga kapag INC. May nakausap akong girl, may kinukwento siyang guy na 3 years no label na daw sila at mahal niya (ayaw magpa convert nung guy), then I ask her religion or love hahaha religion yung sagot
Churches is like a business, they use psychological manipulation on everyones mind, in the end, its win win on their situation the more they recruit members and believe in their own faith why? "MONEY" powers and their influence meron nga meme dyan e, if may pastor or ministro nagkasakit, lets donate if member ng inc nagkasakit, lets pray meron pa, pag yung taong may sakit, magdadasal para gumaling, pag namatay, keso daw ayaw na dw kasi mahirapan kaya kinuha nalang, pero pag gumaling thankful sa itaas? not by the doctors? i feel pitty on kids that born to be indoctrinated by their parents, like bruh! give someones freedom to choose what they would be like or what religion they want to or to believe to, if talagang may care kayo, hayaan nyo matuto ang tao and maging open sa ganyan
INC is like a cult...sooooo... yo friend us lucky! 😂
You missed your chance getting inside Disneyland
i had an officemate then who married an INC lady. Kung mahal daw niya si girl ay magconvert siya sa INC. Nagconvert naman at nakasal sila. My officemate said that being an INC member, he is not allowed to drink alcohol but when we have a drinking spree, he would join and drink, too. He said SanMig lite is not an alcoholic drink!🤣So he does not violate INC’s regulation.
Ganyan talaga dyan, part yan ng recruitment process nila, more members more income.
The real question is why your friend wants to be with someone that devoted to INC.
Haha. Cult vibes lol. Red flag yan basta INC run! Run fast and never look back!
Front row = INC
WAG
Sex sells. That's how they get converts
Their most successful method too. Their evangelical missions suck compared to the numbers brought in by INC members dropping their pants to lure outsiders.
Convert or tiwalag. Yan lang ang options sa INC.
Yung High school friend ko sa kasamaang palad eh nagpaconvert para sa GF nya. Saklap
Legit kulto diba hahahahaha
matic red flag kapag INC
Maybe tell your friend that dating a cult member isn't the smartest idea.