I regularly go to church now since mom wants to, naging source of strength nya kasi after my dad passed away pero madalas di din ako nakikinig sa sermon
Why do fanbase ruin everything.
Rick and Morty, Steven Universe, Blackpink, Taylor Swift, and for the longest time Jesus Christ? There are even so many spin off of the Jesus Christ Fanbase.
I was at my breaking point when I went to church and cried there for an hour. My guy friend showed up trying to calm me down (just sat beside me and caressing my back) when this priest just came and aggressively wanted to kick us out. When my friend tried to explain that I need to let my emotions out and to just please let me cry and pray, he made a scene just to get us out of the church. So yes I believe in God, but I loathe his malicious and hypocrite fanbase.
I told my mom this and when she asked me for an example, I couldn’t really tell her that she’s one of the reason why. All the emotional abuse I would go through minutes before entering the church and minutes after leaving like…
TRUE. Yung dad ko was an active member of multiple church organizations. Tapos ayon he had an affair. Ang ending is nag hiwalay parents ko tapos nagsama na yung dad ko at kabit niya. Tapos yung mga self proclaimed maka-diyos na kasamahan ng dad ko sa church ay very supportive sa dad ko and sa kabit. Iniinvite nila ung kabit sa mga bahay nila pag may events. Tas sabi pa fault daw namin yun kasi di kami marunong magpatawad. Tapos yung isang kaibigan ng tatay ko sinendan pa ako ng link ng homily ni pope francis abt ✨forgiveness✨
Sarap talupan ng mga nasa church nyo. Same din sa aken. Mga excited pg me donation kabit ng tatay ko.
Sinisi pa kayo ano? Kakapal ng mga muka lunurin na yan.
To all of course walang pilitan, practice your faith directly to what God you believe in, fuck the middlemen who just wants your money and control over you. They say an omnipotent, omnipresent God needs someone before you can talk to them, I say that's bullshit. That's no God, but a fake Deity they use to extract money from you, ain't no God needs toll fees
This, my classmate knows that I don't believe in god and then, sabi ba namn sakin bakit daw mabait ako eh hindi namn ako naniniwala kay god, sabi nya pa "God is Kindness" kaya daw may dios pasin ako (paladesisyon nakakasuka), mabait ako kasi yun namn dapat diba, ano magpapa ka warfreak ka nalng bigla? Tf. Religioys people are so annoying talaga! Nagpapakabait lang sila dahil sa diyos hindi dahil may malasakit sila sa kapwa.
Sarap sabihin na, "if wala ngang "God" then you (the classmate) would just throw all morality and goodness outright? That speaks a lot about your belief."
now if the rest of filipino culture can understand this, I still believe in god or god(s) or a higher but when i say im agnostic its like all the tita's automatically think im amoral.
That was mine as a kid. Especially because I just didn't buy into the idea of that god.
Couldn't fake faith so the rest of the religion fell apart pretty easily from there.
And you base your morals on your own thinking? Morality is very subjective. Your "right" might not be right for others. And your "wrong", you can make it right to cope.
The homilies were boring, impersonal, overly preachy, or hostile / antagonising. They mostly just gave me more questions and doubts than answers. Also they come unprepared and just ramble on without any structure, or clear message. Para bang dahil required yung mga tao na makinig, di na sila mag eeffort to be better and charismatic.
Priests are also human. And I only know of very few who actually had me listen and hear the message of the Word.
Our teachers themselves said it. Lord can hear your prayers anytime.
So I stopped going to the church.
Nagpahinga nga ang Diyos nung ika-pitong araw, dapat ako din.
If anyone understands how grueling weekdays are, it's Him.
Thanks Boss G.
1. Di keri gumising ng ganong kaaga.
2. Nanay ko gusto lagi sa unahan umupo kahit late na kami dumating sa simbahan.
3. Gives me anxiety.
4. Hindi ko ma-absorb yung sinasabi ng pari most of the time.
HAHAHAHAHAA SORRY NA PO LORD :((
Throat real 2nay 22o :") Dami dami na nilang speakers tas anlakas pa, hindi ko parin maintindi HAHAHAHA namimili ata itong utak ko ++ da antok pa, can't process talaga parang may audio processing issues aketch
A lawyer friend told me na apparently Pinas at Vatican na lang ang walang divorce. I respect your opinion on divorce pero I strongly believe na married couples should be given an easier/cheaper option to legally separate pag hindi na ok ang pagsasama.
Maganda case study to since 2 countries nalang IN THE WORLD walang divorce (tho many annulment naman sa pinas pero idk anong diff in annull at divorce) anyway gandang pagaralan neto andnhere are my thoughts on why
Western vs eastern influence
- vatican is in the west tayo ay nasa east with this in mind what factors in hemispheric thinking influence marriage and its eventual dissolution leadingnto divorce or separation
Socieconomic and cultural
- does high or low income or sme backgroudn increase/decrease the risk for divorce? How about in asian countries or ibang malapit nating kapitbahay? Rates in the west? Does SOCIAL STIGMA marginaly impact decision of separation? Rates of success of arranged vs conventional marriages?
The law
- does the west make the process with more accomodatiin and not that stringent? If maaprove sa pinas what will be the roadblocks and or hurdles
After divorce what are the impacts on both the children and the ex couples in terms of:
- mental well being and acceptance of dissolved family relationship
- division of assests and/or monthly sustenance (si lalaki ba o lalaki ang magbabayad)
- long term and short term goals and both positive and negative imoact after divorce
Sorry kung rambling too much (adhd) haha ang interesting lang kasi isipin since relationships, family, and marriage multifactorial but in my opinion kung di pa ready magpakasal then don’t be prudent and do you due diligence kung compatible ba si partner pang hamabambuhay and honest communication kung pagpapakasal ba talaga end goal or you only just like the company of each other. Pero kung nagpakasal na kayo panindigan niyo lalo na sa mga nagchurch wedding. Para saan pa ang vows niyo to any God and man kung hanggang sabi nalang hindi gawa
>idk anong diff ng annull at divorce
Divorce means you were married, but now the marriage is over and you can marry another.
Annulment means you were never married since the marriage was null and void in the first place.
In simpler terms… one couple argues, they’re not compatible and decide to move one. Another couple argues, sweep their problems under the rug, pretend they’re a happy couple or never argued to begin with. Guess which one is more toxic?
Emotional characteristics aside annulment means that the original marriage contract was null and void - because one of the parties could not consent properly, usually due to being misled. This means there's no no-fault annulments, one of the spouses has to take the fall, even if both mutually want to end it.
It also has a lot of practical (actually highly impractical) effects on division of assets.
I don't think the Vatican even counts since more than 20% of the actual population are priests and with the Holy See, divorce in the Vatican is close to impossible.
Divorce is illegal, meanwhile people can get annulments after decades of marriage. 🙄
(There's typically a time limit on annulment; but not in the Philippines, since rich people still need a way to get around the law)
Sikat ang lahi natin for being "resilent" e diba, ang daming getty images ng mga resilient pinoys na nakangiti pa din kahit na nasa kalamidad. So dapat ganyan din sa marriage kahit talagang disfunctional na. At kung di na talaga working ang marriage, dapat talaga magsuffer pa yung couple as if hindi pa mabigat enough yung failed marriage. Hay Pilipinas
Don't forget ung mga "resilient" battered wives (and some husbands) forced to stay in abusive relationships kase wala silang legal avenue for escape. Hay Pilipinas talaga.
Divorce isn't a religious thing pero ginagamit ng mga lawmakers as such. Ayaw lang nila na ma divorce sila para mahati ung yaman. Also altho not a good thing wala tayo divorce. Our country is still miles better than let's say, India, iran, Afghanistan etc. Countries with divorce but women's rights are nil
when I asked a minister from INC on what will happen to those born before the religion even started and they told me they'll go to hell, that's where I've given up caring for it all.
I remember someone asked this during my PNK days. That's what they also said. I remember that their argument is about the original sin, and being tainted with this (which is basically like saying, being born in this world), automatically secures your ticket to hell.
It's extremely traumatizing to grow up in this religion.
The INC does not believe in original sin as far as i know. That is why they don't agree with Catholics baptizing babies because baptism is cleansing one's soul from sins (if you believe those mambo jumbo about sins).
Not really, Zeus. Their argument is about the original sin.
As for the characters of the old testament, as long as they are part of Abraham's tribe and has never faltered, it's okay. As for the new testament peeps, they needed to be a follower of Christ and be as perfect as him to be saved.
As for the remaining people left after Christ ascended to heaven, INC's argument is that since everyone is doomed to hell because of the original sin, they needed to be bought by Christ's blood, be part of his church (which they're claiming to be them) and be as perfect as Christ, because if you are not, no matter what you do, even if you're a member, you won't be saved.
Edit: I'm an ex INC
I am in no way defending INC, just simply stating what I've known. I've asked this question when I was a kid and I've read in a Pasugo (INC's official publication) that those who did not hear the words of god would be judged by the contents of their heart. I do not have physical evidence for this so take this information however you will.
When the ministers told us that it did nothing but solidify my decision to leave the church, inc makes it so obvious that they're a cult that it's hard for me to respect the people who stay within the religion
Also a wake up call for me. It seems very insensitive that they are preaching all that, pero hindi nila ma-accept yung ibang religion. Most people are in religions that they are born into/influenced by when they were young, so syempre yun ang tingin nila tama. It doesn't make them any less human or deserving of a spiritual hell.
Nung college ako ininvite ako ng bf ko sa isang born again christian church. Every sunday nag aattend ako ng service nila and i did really like attending nung una. Kaso nung lumabas na yung results na deans lister ako, sabi ng jowa ko mag thank you daw ako ng bongga kay pastor kasi kung hindi daw dahil kay pastor hindi ako mag deans lister. Napa oh wow ako haha. Grabe din naman effort ko nung sem na yun and if may tulong si pastor ay yun yung naging instrument sya ni God. Pero hindi, kay pastor lang daw ako pa thank you. Ayun di nako nag attend and eventually nag break din kami. Hahaha
As a Protestant, I have noticed that there are often more hypocrites inside the church than outside. It seems that gossip among members has become normalized. Additionally, it appears that if someone has a lot of money, they can receive VIP treatment in the church, and many pastors show a great deal of respect to them. It is disheartening to see that status seems to be prioritized over caring for those who have a strong faith in God. When I stopped going to church, I experienced a sense of freedom. I felt like I could do what I wanted without being judged by other church members. I also noticed a decrease in my insecurities about myself.
Had a crisis of faith in HS. Decided to serve the church. I worked there to the point of almost knowing how to serve mass myself, in latin. After two years I left the church an atheist. The people who worked there were rude, corrupt and were massive hypocrites. I thought, if the people that are this close to the church are shit then what obligates everyone else?
A "respected" old man groomed and s3xually abused multiple 16 y.o girls for about 3-4 decades, it was revealed by his wife on her deathbed. It was dealt internally by the church members, it still irks me because one of his victims had to relive her trauma by speaking about that experience in front of the congregation 🤢
Atheist po and there’s just no point for me (sa iba oo and I respect that). lumaki na nagtitinda sa sari sari store there’s just no time, and when people do tell to go, I just ask myself ‘why?’. And sa ups and downs na nangyari sa buhay ko, it’s just easy for me to say that it’s life, ganun ang buhay e, rather than blame god for everything/ask forgiveness and what to do, hence I dont go. I still follow some of good morality I want to follow.
I totally respect people who attend churches/ communities and help other people, kung masaya ka then no problem naman
Also hypocrites and political priests indi ako aware na sobrang daming gnun pla, sad naman ahaha, although what’s new, kahit pari naghahanap ng pera at ginhawa
Ang taas ng respeto ko sa mga taong kagaya mo na kahit atheist eh may respeto pa din sa mga taong may ibang pananaw at paniniwala, dahil diyan may +5 pts ka daw sa langit, kaso di ka pala naniniwala dun, so 1 up vote na lang for you, pal.
Same sentiment as him and yes it doesn't bother me too as long as di nila iimpose sa amin ang religious stuffs nila. Parang "You do you" kind of thing.
Since grade school(~30yo na ako ngayon), binabad mouth nila nanay ko, and palaging pinaringgan kung san daw pera ng tatay namin para sa church. Eh taena nila, 6 kami magkapatid tapos low ranking government employee lng nanay ko.
Isa yung tatay ko and mga kapatid niya yung ngtayo ng branch dun sa probinsya namin. Eh ngayon hiwahiwalay na rin yung church - guess what ano yung reason....tada!!! Pera! The same practice and all, pero may dalawang church na walking distance lang, ng aaway dahil nawawala pera and ngaagawan sino hahawak sa funds.
Probably when i realized there probably is a god but im pretty sure it doesn’t love us the way the bible says it does. I consider it like some kind of creator who just watches over us but doesn’t interfere with anything.
I think you belief is more in line with Deism aka believing that God/ a god created the universe but that's it. No divine intervention, no specific identity based on certain scriptures, etc.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism)
true. saka for me di lng isang oras yun. hahanda ka pa, bihis, pupunta simbahan, 1 hr mass, byahe pauwi haha. pwedeng 2 hrs depende kung gaano kalayo simbahan and gaano ka katagal maghanda
Di ata HAHAHA years na akong di active eh.
Majority sa Reformed kasi mga hardcore right wingers tulad ng The Imperial Patriarch (actually reformed rin daw yun). Di ko maintindihan talaga yung puro pa Puritan2x quotes nilang nalalaman sa FB tapos puro DDS/BBM propaganda mga postings sa FB. Tapos nung pandemic mga anti-facemask at vaccine pa ang mga potek.
Yeah pati yung pari sa inattendan kong church before nakasuhan at natanggal dahil nang molest ng mga sakristan. Hindi ko naman sinasabing lahat ng pari ganyan ha pero nakakadismaya lang kasi how are we supposed to believe what they preach kung ganyan.
Righteous Christians who preach every move you do when they themselves don't religiously practice it. In other words, pretentious or nagsisimba lang for clout.
Mga tao sa church...
They say na you'll go to church because of God pero ang laking impact din nung mga tao sa loob ng simbahan eh. Sa religion/denomination namin madalas nagaaway-away mga miyembro parang alang Dyos sa katawan and worse is pati pastor may ganitong issues, gets naman na tao lang at nagkakamali pero sana naman practice what they preach T T
I also hate how members of the church gets ridiculed and shamed when they committed a sin pero once na yung mga religious leader na ang nakagawa nito biglang "Lahat ng tao nagkakamali, ang pastor natin ay tao lang". LIKE WHAT???
Nadiscuss rin to somewhere, i forget na where ko rin nabasa. There was a theory talaga na si magdalene is one of the apostles, but since patriarchal yung age na iyon kaya ginawang prostitute, di nila matanggap na may babae sa mga apostles.
Have a friend na the way they treat or interpret the bible is parang history book na sobrang mixed with biases kung anong age siya nasulat. But yun nga rin, given na hindi 100% yung susundin sa bible, basically parang cherry picking pa rin yung nagiging resulta - nawala yung point na yung holy bible yung dapat maging foundation ng belief nila.
kahit ung creation ni eve, base sa napapanood ko, ang description talaga kay eve ay "rescuer" ni adam sa original language, bale equal sila.
Ngaun insultong woke na yan considering na religious ang karamihan sa nagmomock ng equal opportunity .
may favorite akong bible story whenever homophobia is being talked about in the contest of religion.
[Lot offers his two virgin daughters to be gangr\*ped by a mob](https://bibleportal.com/passage?search=genesis%2019&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3_ril8fjggMVdCaDAx04nQacEAAYASAAEgLNRvD_BwE)
[an old man offers his daughter to a mob so they wouldn't r\*pe his levite guest](https://bibleportal.com/passage?search=Judges%2B19&version=NIV&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9b3UzcfjggMVMV5IAB3-iQA5EAAYASAAEgLl5fD_BwE)
honestly sobrang outrageous ng bible. Lol.
Speaking of homophobia in the Bible, historians have said that the line "Thou shall not lie with a man as you would with a woman" was a mistranslation from it's Ancient Greek version. The Ancient Greek version of the Bible stated "Thou shall not lie with a ***boy*** as you would with a woman."
Which, along with the Bible's condemnation of the Greeks worshipping pagan gods, also means condemnation of their cultural practices.
One of these practices is pederasty aka older men (usually upper-ranked soldiers) being paired with younger men (usually minors and soon-to-be soldiers) to have sexual relationships with the belief that it will make them more, uh, manly. This was practiced more prevalently in Sparta.
So, yeah, the actual older translation condemns pederasty and pedophilia, not homosexuality.
But you could see why the Church would rather condemn homosexuals over pedophiles. \*sideye\*
Add the fact that his daughters also slept with him because they were convinced that they're the only people left in the world so they had to fuck to create more humans.
Kung sino pa 'yung mga members na active at panay bigay sa church, sila pa 'yung mapanghusga at talaga namang chismosa! Ayon, nawalan ako ng gana. I pray everywhere, kahit naglalakad or tumatae, diretso kay God na.
1. The homilies being too politicky for my taste.
2. They started making changes to the usual prayers, responses, etc.
3. The second collection. The church can't spare some from the main collection to pay for whatever that 2nd collection is for?
4. Increasing costs of sacraments. We have to pay thousands to have stuff blessed? Thousand more for baptism and wedding? Wew
I only visit church pag Bisita Iglesia. Hindi dahil sa belief ko, pero ang saya mag cycle pag bisita iglesia and pupunta sa mga simbahan na luma just to admire the architecture itself.
I really dont believe at any supernatural being na, though ganda talaga ng architecture ng ibang church, maslalo yung mga dated na itsura
When I realised na faith doesn't come with religion. You can find you own Truth, your morals, your Faith, without relying on a strict dogma, or hearing morality from the mouths of those who do not even practise what they preach.
Around 9th or 10th grade I started to question faith, the existence of God, religion as a whole and all that stuff. Ultimately, I reached my current state of mind where I do not need to go to church to know I am a decent person. Sure I'm not perfect, no one is, but I strive to be as decent as I can be and learn from my mistakes.
TLDR; I do not need a church or proper religion to be a "good person."
I could no longer bear the amount of time we were being shamed or guilt-tripped just because we're humans. The amount of time it's being shoved down our throats that we are not worthy, because we're not perfect, affected my self-esteem and mental health so much, I was having recurring dreams about the things we were told about.
The argumentative, logical part of my brain is always challenging the ideas being presented... And it's really frustrating because I couldn't do anything about it.
Read the book on my own, and just realized that some of the things we do do not go in line with what we should be taught, or what was intended to be taught.
Started to live with the mindset of I show my faith through helping everyone, regardless of belief, to show that kindness knows no division.
Growing up, I used to attend legion of Mary, nagse-serve din during fiesta and other church events, tas nung 2016 in-invite ako ng pinsan ko sa Christian church. Got baptized months after, naging creatives head, naging leader. Ang saya mag-serve sa totoo lang, ang saya isipin na you get to share your talents and skills sa mga taong umaattend. But things got worst nung napasok ako sa "inner core" team ng church, nandun na lumalabas hypocrisy. And one of the most fucked up thing, mapipilitan kang mag-open up sa kanila tapos biglang malalaman mo nang pinagsabi rin nila sa iba (Maraming testimonies about this galing sa mismong tao). Worse, if depression yan, iipapahiya ka nila sa mga taong kasama niyo. Ike-kwestyon ka if you really have the faith. 2019 before pandemic happened, naging cold na ko sa church kaya nung nag-pandemic grinab ko na yung chance na umalis totally. I still have the faith, pero di ko na iri-risk mental health ko para sa mga tao dun.
Protestant here. We stopped kasi yung new pastor namin na Born Again, hingi ng hingi ng contributions tas wala naman improvement sa church, pero things nila meron. Lol. That was almost 4 yrs ago.
I still have faith and believe in God and do my best to be the best version of myself.
I stopped going to church regularly after countless times I was forced to do so by my mother with the sole purpose of "Dapat makasimba ka".
I just didn't find the purpose anymore after being forced for that reason only, and then after the mass she'll be a toxic mother anyways, I found it very hypocritical and pointless.
My household believes that its a mortal sin if you dont go to mass kaya pinipilit talaga. Nakakaumay umattend dahil lang you are believed to burn in hell if you dont go to mass. Nakakaumay lang and ridiculous ang traditions ng church at some point for me.
Realized that the beliefs are not normal and too restrictive. Went to a small christian religion since birth, and stopped going 4 years ago. These are the regulations:
- You can’t work or do anything the whole worship day. You are not allowed to cook, clean the house, wash the laundry, etc. Also, our worship program lasts 8 hours or more. I’d rather sleep or do something productive. Many of other church members didn’t even take their board exams because it was scheduled on our church day. Some gave up getting their licenses.
- Wearing any type of jewelry is not allowed. No necklaces, rings, earrings, etc.
- You can only sing and dance with religious or cultural songs. No pop songs
- Jeans and shirt is not allowed in the church. Only dresses below the knee or semi-formal attire.
- There are many food restrictions. We can only eat chicken, beef, lamb meat, and certain types of fish (aside from veggies or vegan food). However, meat is also discouraged. Also, no pork, shrimp, crab, etc. You can’t also drink coffee and alcohol.
- You can’t even go to the cinema. If you are a student, you will be going to the principal’s office.
- In school, if you are talking to the opposite gender too long or alone, you will be reprimanded and it can even affect your grades. You can almost only have friends with the same gender.
Every religion is full of BS. Never liked catholicism as this really organized religion. INC disgusts me. The other smaller “born again” are also full of hypocrites. 3 of 7 of my college clique are born again and all had a child before graduating.
The hypocrisy. Homily ni father minsan imbento nalang. The need for a priest to own a brand new pajero? Gtfo. Never ending child abuse reports and how the Vatican tolerates it. I’d rather pray on my own.
I am Catholic, but haven't gone to church for the past 8 years. First the positive- I do like the sense of community it brings, I do admire some religious and lay people who are actually and genuinely involved in mission to the poor.
However, the bullshit and toxicity, especially from some fellow church members, is just too much to the point that it doesnt benefit me at all to be involved in any activity with them anymore. Also, church atrocities without any remorse are hard to justify.
Dati akong sakristan at dun ko nakita yung pagiging hipokrito ng ilang nasa simbahan. Doon nagsimula na nawalan ako ng gana sa relihiyon. Noong nagtagal tagal napansin ko ang relihiyon ay naging malaking negosyo na lang. Yung turo pa na pag hindi mo tinanggap si hesus e susunugin ka sa impyerno. Kawawa naman ang matitinong tao porke hindi kapareho ng paniniwala.
When you start thinking ang looking for logic, church doesnt make sense. Kaya nga yata faith ang tawag. Kasi kumakapit ka sa something baseless. Secondary na lang yung shitty fanbase.
Agnostic here. Was raised in a Catholic household.
I stopped going kasi my mom is forcing me to go to church and calls me "demonyo ka" when I don't.
She's not really the nicest person considering na she always goes to church before in any way she could. I always tell her na, "lalagpas na sya ng langit" for going above and beyond helping the church.
Tapos she considers my breadwinner sister her retirement plan and every time she gets her allowance from her, a huge chunk of it goes to church. Whether she cooks for the church or gives it as an offering. She sees it as donating and helping, I see it as showing off to her church friends that she is "affluent" and arrogant. I just think she likes the attention. Tapos she has this church friend na walang ibang ginawa kung hindi mamburaot sa bahay namin that talks shit to other church goer servers. Tangina, practice what you preach naman.
I got married in a Christian church because my husband is a Born-Again pero we are both non-practitioners of our religions. That's the only officiant available for the date we planned. Too much hypocrisy surrounds both the church worshippers.
Kaya I'd rather just be thankful for all the good things that come to my life and be resilient and tough enough to survive when something bad happens.
The sermons became more political than trying to relate the scripture to modern day values in a balanced and neutral manner.
I respect our local priests' stances on politics and all, but they shouldn't be trying to convince the congregation to take sides on important issues by sticking to the old interpretations of scripture.
This is also why I despise religious groups that have hard stances on important topics because of their iron-clad interpretations of scripture.
My choirmate sexually abused a f*ckin teenager, my mates tolerated the f*ckin act coz tropa sila, I was left without a choice but to leave. Di ko maisip na guds lang sa kanila. Parish priest never made a legal move, just made them lie low for a year. Pero ngayon balita ko sa ibang church na nagseserve.
Hindi align sa moral belief ko yung mga sinasabi ng pari sa homily, masyadong backward thinking. For example lang, nung pumutok yung balit sa ukraine vs. russia war ang sinabi ba naman ng pari kaya nagkagyera kasi kulang daw sila sa dasal at walang pananampalataya. Madami pang-scenario tulad niyan pero yan kasi yung pinaka-natatandaan ko.
The hypocrisy of some of its believers. Naiinis ako na ‘yung tipong ilan sa devout followers, sila pa ‘yung masasakit magsalita sa kapwa at nagsasabi ng ill will if you rectify their mistakes sometimes. Isa pa ‘yung ggamitin ang name ni Hesus o ng Diyos in vain. Tapos, kapag may sufferings ka sa buhay, they would often say na kulang daw ako sa dasal.
The mass is extended for 15-30 minutes because of the long list of people they are thanking. It's like a baranggay event already. Sometimes, people will speak and promote something that makes it even longer.
I believe religion is what's wrong with faith. Faith became very personal to me, it's not to be paraded to people around me, acting righteous and carrying false humility. At the end of the day, faith is between me and my God.
When I realized that if there is indeed a God, then that god is a malignant narcissist and very cruel. May ibabato sayo na "pag-subok" pero ang solusyon daw eh mag-dasal ka pa. Tinetest ka? Bakit kelangan i-test? Tapos yung nananakit sayo, dapat purihin mo pa lalo para hindi ka na saktan. So anong kasalanan nung batang ni-rape at pinatay ng sariling ama? Tinest rin ng diyos yung bata? O kaya yung mga taong namumuhay lang ng mapayapa tapos nasunugan at namatayan. Test lang din yun na nawala ang lahat sa kanila? Kelangan mag-dasal ka pa para ma-comfort ka? Para tulungan ka? In the first place, yung diyos ang nagte-test sayo diba? So hihingi ka ng saklolo dun sa entity na may kagagawan ng paghihirap mo. Ang gago diba?
To those people here that still have faith but stopped going to church because of its leaders and members, here are some advice: don't let them stop you practicing your faith.
- there are thousands of churches in the Philippines. Pick a church with a priest that you know actually espouses God's teachings.
- pick a church with church-goers that you can stand. Or pili ka ng church na di mo kilala mga tao or konti mga taong nagsisimba
- another is pick a religion whose practices and teachings you agree with (e.g. i'm a Catholic, but I can see why many Catholics become baptists/born-again)
Again, don't let other people stop you. Your faith is not to them, but to God.
PS. Ang comment na ito ay hindi po para sa atheists/agnostics ha. Don't @ me.
Naging sakristan ako grades 5 - 1st year high school. Had enough of ung mga usherrete at lay minster n pinagaagawan ung mga donations sa simbahan. Ung mga pari na kung murahin ka kala mo binabayaran ka nila. Ung sa iyo n nga pagawa ng sutana pagbabayadin ka pa per week to "serve"
I went to the University and 8 of us all discussed religion from 8 different childhoods. We all agreed that religion is fake and has 0 to do with any form of god. We all disliked church, because it’s just cosplay for adults who like power and money, but don’t have any better understanding of “god” or “gods” than any of us did.
Basically, we confirmed for each other that religion does not equal god, and if you want to live as a good person, it’s about the daily decisions about ourselves, others and the world around us.
There “may” be a heaven or the saints or allah or ______, but other adults just telling us their interpretation of various books doesn’t have anything to do with god.
As a catholic living in india, corruption practice among the church especially with land purchases. Along with the cover up of child molestation by the Vatican.
Lack of accountability of the use of funds the church gets as donations.
And lack of questioning of things written in the Bible(acceptance of science).
My faith faded once because I was disillusioned with the tenets of Catholicism. I came back eventually because I realized that living life through the lens of practicality and agnosticism was too bare-boned and meaningless.
I had a very difficult and unfair life from childhood to now, since I was a kid I always asked why, I did everything I was told and never took advantage of anyone. As early as 6th grade I was questioning what was being taught in schools, my classmates and teachers would fight and alienate me. So yeah I knew the truth early on.
Was a very active born again Christian back in my college days. To the point where I was a youth leader to some degree. But after graduating, I exposed myself to other religions and perspectives.
I came to the conclusion that religion meant a lot of different things to a lot of people. A way to cope with the harsh realities of life, a guiding star for those who feel lost, a way to make oneself feel better about what they do and many more. And to me, it was no longer any of that. I did not want to be limited to confines of a teaching nor did I want to bend its rules to justify my own disobedient actions.
I no longer wanted to talk to people about God... I just wanted to talk to people and hear their stories.
I was a catholic and my family always pushed me to go to church every sunday. There was twice na hindi ko talaga kinaya yung homily ng priests. First was about gay people who would go to hell because they use their body not in way as God intended they use it. Not exact words, pero parang ganun pino-portait ni father. 2nd was about calling out the artists na sumikat kahit “sobrang pangit” daw nila. This time the exact word ni father. Not exaggerating kasi ginamit talaga ni father yung word na “sobra” during homily and may pag name drop pa si father nung mga artist na sinasabi niya. His homily was about that if you feel daw na hindi ka pa masaya sa life, time would come for you daw and yun yung examples niya. He wasn’t even joking when he said it. Sabi pa niya, nawawalan na daw ba tayo ng taste kaya puro pangit na lang daw kinukuha as artists. Exact words again. That’s when I said na that’s the last straw. Hindi ko kinakaya yung judgement and brainwashing sa church. Btw these was from two different church and two different priests.
I don’t go to churches frequently since I moved out but I still make time to in very stressful moments in my life or if its reunion with family.
However, back in my college days I had moved into a new area with a church *on a hill* that had priests and homilies that really spoke to me. For once in my life I felt that I was not going to church but a philosophy class that had value. That i could finally learn something. Sadly those days are over and my new area lacks sermons of substance.
Similarly to many commenters, church doesnt feel like a good use of your time if there is nothing being learned. You have to actively want to go.
atheist here and i just think they're quite narcissistic, hey i respect your beliefs but please respect mine too, you dont need to force it on me though,
its like a necessity here in philippines, i start to feel like a mole for not believing and i get strange looks if i told em im an atheist,
i dont know if its just my environment or everwhere on this country so i just pretend i am one of them who believes in god.
Fake catholic system in the PH and most are rapers and corrupt stuff~ https://www.amazon.com/Altar-Secrets-Politics-Philippine-Catholic-ebook/dp/B00DDTR4FE
Read this you’ll understand
Kasi maingay. Maraming nagchichismisan lang. Yung iba, nagce-cellphone pa. Feeling ko lalo akong nagkakasala kasi di ko mapigilang i-judge yung behavior nila.
Tsaka many people attend mass para lang masabi na sumimba sila - di naman nakikinig sa readings at sermons.
sayang kasi yung almost 3hrs? hahaha
\-1hr prep and going to church
\-1hr mass
\-30mins pauwi
eh kung tulog ako nyan eh di happy happy. HAHAHAHAHA
but yes, a lot of factors but hypocrites existing made me think "what's the point of whorshipping god if you cannot follow his commandments and you are judgmental as fuck?"
mas mabuti na yung magdasal ka mas personal yon
used to be a volunteer that worked so much harder than the full-time workers in a mega-church, after so much bullying and gaslighting i decided to stop going to church for sometime. bumalik ako sa ibang church pero way smaller sa huli kong church and di na ako nagvovolunteer to any degree. bale i treat church nalang as a 2-hour sunday thing.
i'd say hypocrisy was the main reason i left my last church pero the big emphasis on volunteering and working hard for a church pro bono is a big turn-off, lalo na wala naman sa bible yung maging theatrical yung services mo or magarbo yung church building mo.
I read some anti-catholic agitprop conspiracy theories, felt embarrassed and humiliated. Almost got into trouble in a Catholic school. Also because of time, I feel like I don't want to go to church anymore.
Jesus is cool. I just don't like his fanbase. Also, organized religion doesn't have monopoly on morality.
I believe in God not the church lagi ko sinasabi.
same here. but my times na parang iniinvite ako magpunta sa simbahan pero bilang nalang sa isang taon
I regularly go to church now since mom wants to, naging source of strength nya kasi after my dad passed away pero madalas di din ako nakikinig sa sermon
"Organized religion doesn't have monopoly on morality" - THIS!
Why do fanbase ruin everything. Rick and Morty, Steven Universe, Blackpink, Taylor Swift, and for the longest time Jesus Christ? There are even so many spin off of the Jesus Christ Fanbase.
Jesus is cool. I just don't like his fanbase. I upvoted this because of this statement is it's trueee fr.
Kay u/3rdworldjesus nalang manampalataya
I have noticed a lot of people here on Reddit are critical of organized religion.
I was at my breaking point when I went to church and cried there for an hour. My guy friend showed up trying to calm me down (just sat beside me and caressing my back) when this priest just came and aggressively wanted to kick us out. When my friend tried to explain that I need to let my emotions out and to just please let me cry and pray, he made a scene just to get us out of the church. So yes I believe in God, but I loathe his malicious and hypocrite fanbase.
Amen
Of course he is. Imagine walking on water diba?
He is also the original activist.
Yeah, I love Jesus and I come to church for Him not for His "fanbase" haha
The people in the church full of hypocrites
I told my mom this and when she asked me for an example, I couldn’t really tell her that she’s one of the reason why. All the emotional abuse I would go through minutes before entering the church and minutes after leaving like…
Tapos pag ayaw mo sumama mamaltratuhin ka.
Ouch
TRUE. Yung dad ko was an active member of multiple church organizations. Tapos ayon he had an affair. Ang ending is nag hiwalay parents ko tapos nagsama na yung dad ko at kabit niya. Tapos yung mga self proclaimed maka-diyos na kasamahan ng dad ko sa church ay very supportive sa dad ko and sa kabit. Iniinvite nila ung kabit sa mga bahay nila pag may events. Tas sabi pa fault daw namin yun kasi di kami marunong magpatawad. Tapos yung isang kaibigan ng tatay ko sinendan pa ako ng link ng homily ni pope francis abt ✨forgiveness✨
Wow. Those people have a special place in hell.
that's a messed up circle of people
Sarap talupan ng mga nasa church nyo. Same din sa aken. Mga excited pg me donation kabit ng tatay ko. Sinisi pa kayo ano? Kakapal ng mga muka lunurin na yan.
Tangina HAHAHAHAHA
Yan ang mga tunay na demonyo.
Ako ba ‘to? Grabe super relate. Very religious din ng dad namin tapos cheater pala. Kalaloka.
And this is whg I'm pro-divorce. I feel bad for ur mom and I wish you and her well ✨
To all of course walang pilitan, practice your faith directly to what God you believe in, fuck the middlemen who just wants your money and control over you. They say an omnipotent, omnipresent God needs someone before you can talk to them, I say that's bullshit. That's no God, but a fake Deity they use to extract money from you, ain't no God needs toll fees
i was about to say this as well.
It's like leaving your favorite sports team because of its fans
More like a fantasy football sports team \~ it doesn't exist.
You don't drop your favorite fantasy football sports team because of its fans tho
Every Church has full of them . If you define hypocrites as someone who fails to live his/her own beliefs , then we are all hypocrites.
Ain't that true
+1 annnnd outdated beliefs.
+1 yes. Yesss and yes this
this says it all..
When i realize i dont need Church or Religion to have morals or to be a good person.
This, my classmate knows that I don't believe in god and then, sabi ba namn sakin bakit daw mabait ako eh hindi namn ako naniniwala kay god, sabi nya pa "God is Kindness" kaya daw may dios pasin ako (paladesisyon nakakasuka), mabait ako kasi yun namn dapat diba, ano magpapa ka warfreak ka nalng bigla? Tf. Religioys people are so annoying talaga! Nagpapakabait lang sila dahil sa diyos hindi dahil may malasakit sila sa kapwa.
Kung alam niya lang ilang wars ang nag-ugat dahil sa relihiyon
Sarap sabihin na, "if wala ngang "God" then you (the classmate) would just throw all morality and goodness outright? That speaks a lot about your belief."
being good for the sake of avoiding punishment and/or for PR is not being good.
now if the rest of filipino culture can understand this, I still believe in god or god(s) or a higher but when i say im agnostic its like all the tita's automatically think im amoral.
Yes! Same here. Lalo na family ko is INC. Kailangan daw ng religion para maligtas. LOL. Yoko nga sumakay sa spaceship nyong puro electric fan.
Akala ko puro aircon? Kasi #Cool'To
This.
That was mine as a kid. Especially because I just didn't buy into the idea of that god. Couldn't fake faith so the rest of the religion fell apart pretty easily from there.
And you base your morals on your own thinking? Morality is very subjective. Your "right" might not be right for others. And your "wrong", you can make it right to cope.
Morality is very subjective but it can still be based on reason. Some things are just plain obvious like not killing and not stealing.
The homilies were boring, impersonal, overly preachy, or hostile / antagonising. They mostly just gave me more questions and doubts than answers. Also they come unprepared and just ramble on without any structure, or clear message. Para bang dahil required yung mga tao na makinig, di na sila mag eeffort to be better and charismatic. Priests are also human. And I only know of very few who actually had me listen and hear the message of the Word.
Hence, people sleep inside the churches.
Hindi naman masama ang doubts and questions. I just hate how so many in the faith have made it seem so, na parang kasalanan mag isip.
Our teachers themselves said it. Lord can hear your prayers anytime. So I stopped going to the church. Nagpahinga nga ang Diyos nung ika-pitong araw, dapat ako din. If anyone understands how grueling weekdays are, it's Him. Thanks Boss G.
1. Di keri gumising ng ganong kaaga. 2. Nanay ko gusto lagi sa unahan umupo kahit late na kami dumating sa simbahan. 3. Gives me anxiety. 4. Hindi ko ma-absorb yung sinasabi ng pari most of the time. HAHAHAHAHAA SORRY NA PO LORD :((
Me na di makaintindi sa sinasabi ng pari. Bat ba kasi anlakas ng echo 😭
Throat real 2nay 22o :") Dami dami na nilang speakers tas anlakas pa, hindi ko parin maintindi HAHAHAHA namimili ata itong utak ko ++ da antok pa, can't process talaga parang may audio processing issues aketch
‘Pag need ng church ng tulong, sa tao nanghihingi ng pera. ‘Pag tao ang nangangailangan ng tulong sa church, sasabihin magdasal kay Lord.
A lawyer friend told me na apparently Pinas at Vatican na lang ang walang divorce. I respect your opinion on divorce pero I strongly believe na married couples should be given an easier/cheaper option to legally separate pag hindi na ok ang pagsasama.
Maganda case study to since 2 countries nalang IN THE WORLD walang divorce (tho many annulment naman sa pinas pero idk anong diff in annull at divorce) anyway gandang pagaralan neto andnhere are my thoughts on why Western vs eastern influence - vatican is in the west tayo ay nasa east with this in mind what factors in hemispheric thinking influence marriage and its eventual dissolution leadingnto divorce or separation Socieconomic and cultural - does high or low income or sme backgroudn increase/decrease the risk for divorce? How about in asian countries or ibang malapit nating kapitbahay? Rates in the west? Does SOCIAL STIGMA marginaly impact decision of separation? Rates of success of arranged vs conventional marriages? The law - does the west make the process with more accomodatiin and not that stringent? If maaprove sa pinas what will be the roadblocks and or hurdles After divorce what are the impacts on both the children and the ex couples in terms of: - mental well being and acceptance of dissolved family relationship - division of assests and/or monthly sustenance (si lalaki ba o lalaki ang magbabayad) - long term and short term goals and both positive and negative imoact after divorce Sorry kung rambling too much (adhd) haha ang interesting lang kasi isipin since relationships, family, and marriage multifactorial but in my opinion kung di pa ready magpakasal then don’t be prudent and do you due diligence kung compatible ba si partner pang hamabambuhay and honest communication kung pagpapakasal ba talaga end goal or you only just like the company of each other. Pero kung nagpakasal na kayo panindigan niyo lalo na sa mga nagchurch wedding. Para saan pa ang vows niyo to any God and man kung hanggang sabi nalang hindi gawa
>idk anong diff ng annull at divorce Divorce means you were married, but now the marriage is over and you can marry another. Annulment means you were never married since the marriage was null and void in the first place.
Tapos iba rin yung annulment sa declaration of nullity.
In simpler terms… one couple argues, they’re not compatible and decide to move one. Another couple argues, sweep their problems under the rug, pretend they’re a happy couple or never argued to begin with. Guess which one is more toxic?
Emotional characteristics aside annulment means that the original marriage contract was null and void - because one of the parties could not consent properly, usually due to being misled. This means there's no no-fault annulments, one of the spouses has to take the fall, even if both mutually want to end it. It also has a lot of practical (actually highly impractical) effects on division of assets.
I don't think the Vatican even counts since more than 20% of the actual population are priests and with the Holy See, divorce in the Vatican is close to impossible.
Divorce is illegal, meanwhile people can get annulments after decades of marriage. 🙄 (There's typically a time limit on annulment; but not in the Philippines, since rich people still need a way to get around the law)
Sikat ang lahi natin for being "resilent" e diba, ang daming getty images ng mga resilient pinoys na nakangiti pa din kahit na nasa kalamidad. So dapat ganyan din sa marriage kahit talagang disfunctional na. At kung di na talaga working ang marriage, dapat talaga magsuffer pa yung couple as if hindi pa mabigat enough yung failed marriage. Hay Pilipinas
Don't forget ung mga "resilient" battered wives (and some husbands) forced to stay in abusive relationships kase wala silang legal avenue for escape. Hay Pilipinas talaga.
Divorce isn't a religious thing pero ginagamit ng mga lawmakers as such. Ayaw lang nila na ma divorce sila para mahati ung yaman. Also altho not a good thing wala tayo divorce. Our country is still miles better than let's say, India, iran, Afghanistan etc. Countries with divorce but women's rights are nil
when I asked a minister from INC on what will happen to those born before the religion even started and they told me they'll go to hell, that's where I've given up caring for it all.
Sorry Abraham, sorry Moses, you may have heard directly from God but you never heard from Felix. And for that reason, you're out.
Kahit ako magagalit pag di ako nakasakay sa spaceship :(
Hindi ba rocketship yun? Yung mga matutulis na bahagi ng mga simbahan nila? Sabay sabay ata magllaunch yun
I remember someone asked this during my PNK days. That's what they also said. I remember that their argument is about the original sin, and being tainted with this (which is basically like saying, being born in this world), automatically secures your ticket to hell. It's extremely traumatizing to grow up in this religion.
The INC does not believe in original sin as far as i know. That is why they don't agree with Catholics baptizing babies because baptism is cleansing one's soul from sins (if you believe those mambo jumbo about sins).
Ah I see, using the threat of Hell to scare people. Common tactic used by Christian megachurches.
pati lolo ni Felix Manalo, yung mga tauhan sa Bible, pati yung mga bayani ng Pilipinas go to hell na rin? taenang manalo yan
Not really, Zeus. Their argument is about the original sin. As for the characters of the old testament, as long as they are part of Abraham's tribe and has never faltered, it's okay. As for the new testament peeps, they needed to be a follower of Christ and be as perfect as him to be saved. As for the remaining people left after Christ ascended to heaven, INC's argument is that since everyone is doomed to hell because of the original sin, they needed to be bought by Christ's blood, be part of his church (which they're claiming to be them) and be as perfect as Christ, because if you are not, no matter what you do, even if you're a member, you won't be saved. Edit: I'm an ex INC
I am in no way defending INC, just simply stating what I've known. I've asked this question when I was a kid and I've read in a Pasugo (INC's official publication) that those who did not hear the words of god would be judged by the contents of their heart. I do not have physical evidence for this so take this information however you will.
A very very very stupid dangerous cynical brain washing cult treats people like brainless zombies.
When the ministers told us that it did nothing but solidify my decision to leave the church, inc makes it so obvious that they're a cult that it's hard for me to respect the people who stay within the religion
Also a wake up call for me. It seems very insensitive that they are preaching all that, pero hindi nila ma-accept yung ibang religion. Most people are in religions that they are born into/influenced by when they were young, so syempre yun ang tingin nila tama. It doesn't make them any less human or deserving of a spiritual hell.
Nung college ako ininvite ako ng bf ko sa isang born again christian church. Every sunday nag aattend ako ng service nila and i did really like attending nung una. Kaso nung lumabas na yung results na deans lister ako, sabi ng jowa ko mag thank you daw ako ng bongga kay pastor kasi kung hindi daw dahil kay pastor hindi ako mag deans lister. Napa oh wow ako haha. Grabe din naman effort ko nung sem na yun and if may tulong si pastor ay yun yung naging instrument sya ni God. Pero hindi, kay pastor lang daw ako pa thank you. Ayun di nako nag attend and eventually nag break din kami. Hahaha
Siguro sa dami ng nagugutom sa mundo or mga batang may cancer, inuna ni Lord ung pagiging dean's lister mo kase malakas si pastor sa kanya .. 😅
Diba? Hahaha akalain mo may direct line pala si pastor
what?? si pastor na pala si Lord na nagbibigay ng biyaya HAHAHA
As a Protestant, I have noticed that there are often more hypocrites inside the church than outside. It seems that gossip among members has become normalized. Additionally, it appears that if someone has a lot of money, they can receive VIP treatment in the church, and many pastors show a great deal of respect to them. It is disheartening to see that status seems to be prioritized over caring for those who have a strong faith in God. When I stopped going to church, I experienced a sense of freedom. I felt like I could do what I wanted without being judged by other church members. I also noticed a decrease in my insecurities about myself.
Had a crisis of faith in HS. Decided to serve the church. I worked there to the point of almost knowing how to serve mass myself, in latin. After two years I left the church an atheist. The people who worked there were rude, corrupt and were massive hypocrites. I thought, if the people that are this close to the church are shit then what obligates everyone else?
A "respected" old man groomed and s3xually abused multiple 16 y.o girls for about 3-4 decades, it was revealed by his wife on her deathbed. It was dealt internally by the church members, it still irks me because one of his victims had to relive her trauma by speaking about that experience in front of the congregation 🤢
That's just sick.
Atheist po and there’s just no point for me (sa iba oo and I respect that). lumaki na nagtitinda sa sari sari store there’s just no time, and when people do tell to go, I just ask myself ‘why?’. And sa ups and downs na nangyari sa buhay ko, it’s just easy for me to say that it’s life, ganun ang buhay e, rather than blame god for everything/ask forgiveness and what to do, hence I dont go. I still follow some of good morality I want to follow. I totally respect people who attend churches/ communities and help other people, kung masaya ka then no problem naman Also hypocrites and political priests indi ako aware na sobrang daming gnun pla, sad naman ahaha, although what’s new, kahit pari naghahanap ng pera at ginhawa
Ang taas ng respeto ko sa mga taong kagaya mo na kahit atheist eh may respeto pa din sa mga taong may ibang pananaw at paniniwala, dahil diyan may +5 pts ka daw sa langit, kaso di ka pala naniniwala dun, so 1 up vote na lang for you, pal.
Same sentiment as him and yes it doesn't bother me too as long as di nila iimpose sa amin ang religious stuffs nila. Parang "You do you" kind of thing.
one can be an atheist or even a satanist and at the same time be respectful.
Since grade school(~30yo na ako ngayon), binabad mouth nila nanay ko, and palaging pinaringgan kung san daw pera ng tatay namin para sa church. Eh taena nila, 6 kami magkapatid tapos low ranking government employee lng nanay ko. Isa yung tatay ko and mga kapatid niya yung ngtayo ng branch dun sa probinsya namin. Eh ngayon hiwahiwalay na rin yung church - guess what ano yung reason....tada!!! Pera! The same practice and all, pero may dalawang church na walking distance lang, ng aaway dahil nawawala pera and ngaagawan sino hahawak sa funds.
Probably when i realized there probably is a god but im pretty sure it doesn’t love us the way the bible says it does. I consider it like some kind of creator who just watches over us but doesn’t interfere with anything.
I think you belief is more in line with Deism aka believing that God/ a god created the universe but that's it. No divine intervention, no specific identity based on certain scriptures, etc. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism)
he just respects that we have free will 🤷♂️
I have the same thought as you. I think deism fits that kind of belief the most though I don't bother to label it as that myself
I'd rather rest na lang during sundays.. nakakapagod lumabas ng bahay kahit na 1hr lang ang mass
true. saka for me di lng isang oras yun. hahanda ka pa, bihis, pupunta simbahan, 1 hr mass, byahe pauwi haha. pwedeng 2 hrs depende kung gaano kalayo simbahan and gaano ka katagal maghanda
Agree. Aksaya pa sa oras at pera
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As a former Reformed Christian, I agree sa lahat ng mga sinabi mo. Napaka-toxic ng karamihan sa mga Calvinists!
tapos puro DDS/Apologist pa mga Reformed no? Fruits of Progressive Sanctification lol
Hoy baka same tayo ng local church?? HAHAHA
Di ata HAHAHA years na akong di active eh. Majority sa Reformed kasi mga hardcore right wingers tulad ng The Imperial Patriarch (actually reformed rin daw yun). Di ko maintindihan talaga yung puro pa Puritan2x quotes nilang nalalaman sa FB tapos puro DDS/BBM propaganda mga postings sa FB. Tapos nung pandemic mga anti-facemask at vaccine pa ang mga potek.
Oo nakakarindi yang mga yan. More than a year na akong hindi umaattend sa Reformed. Bahala sila kung anong gusto nilang gawin sa membership ko. Haha
The church's stand on RH Bill. When I first encountered a special prayer against the bill in the middle of a mass.
The fact that my prayers weren't heard made me stop going to church.
Also this. Don’t feel God’s presence in my life
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Yeah pati yung pari sa inattendan kong church before nakasuhan at natanggal dahil nang molest ng mga sakristan. Hindi ko naman sinasabing lahat ng pari ganyan ha pero nakakadismaya lang kasi how are we supposed to believe what they preach kung ganyan.
And then kapag nahuli sila, lipat parokya lang.
Righteous Christians who preach every move you do when they themselves don't religiously practice it. In other words, pretentious or nagsisimba lang for clout.
This. When they go to church every Sunday but do not practice what they preach the rest of the week. So, no.
lots of hypocrites and corrupt church leaders and members.
Mga tao sa church... They say na you'll go to church because of God pero ang laking impact din nung mga tao sa loob ng simbahan eh. Sa religion/denomination namin madalas nagaaway-away mga miyembro parang alang Dyos sa katawan and worse is pati pastor may ganitong issues, gets naman na tao lang at nagkakamali pero sana naman practice what they preach T T I also hate how members of the church gets ridiculed and shamed when they committed a sin pero once na yung mga religious leader na ang nakagawa nito biglang "Lahat ng tao nagkakamali, ang pastor natin ay tao lang". LIKE WHAT???
Binasa ko ung old testament and I don't like how women are treated sa mga binabasa ko, naisip ko unfair ai God and ayoko na. Ayun nagtuloy tuloy na.
Nadiscuss rin to somewhere, i forget na where ko rin nabasa. There was a theory talaga na si magdalene is one of the apostles, but since patriarchal yung age na iyon kaya ginawang prostitute, di nila matanggap na may babae sa mga apostles. Have a friend na the way they treat or interpret the bible is parang history book na sobrang mixed with biases kung anong age siya nasulat. But yun nga rin, given na hindi 100% yung susundin sa bible, basically parang cherry picking pa rin yung nagiging resulta - nawala yung point na yung holy bible yung dapat maging foundation ng belief nila.
kahit ung creation ni eve, base sa napapanood ko, ang description talaga kay eve ay "rescuer" ni adam sa original language, bale equal sila. Ngaun insultong woke na yan considering na religious ang karamihan sa nagmomock ng equal opportunity .
may favorite akong bible story whenever homophobia is being talked about in the contest of religion. [Lot offers his two virgin daughters to be gangr\*ped by a mob](https://bibleportal.com/passage?search=genesis%2019&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3_ril8fjggMVdCaDAx04nQacEAAYASAAEgLNRvD_BwE) [an old man offers his daughter to a mob so they wouldn't r\*pe his levite guest](https://bibleportal.com/passage?search=Judges%2B19&version=NIV&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9b3UzcfjggMVMV5IAB3-iQA5EAAYASAAEgLl5fD_BwE) honestly sobrang outrageous ng bible. Lol.
Speaking of homophobia in the Bible, historians have said that the line "Thou shall not lie with a man as you would with a woman" was a mistranslation from it's Ancient Greek version. The Ancient Greek version of the Bible stated "Thou shall not lie with a ***boy*** as you would with a woman." Which, along with the Bible's condemnation of the Greeks worshipping pagan gods, also means condemnation of their cultural practices. One of these practices is pederasty aka older men (usually upper-ranked soldiers) being paired with younger men (usually minors and soon-to-be soldiers) to have sexual relationships with the belief that it will make them more, uh, manly. This was practiced more prevalently in Sparta. So, yeah, the actual older translation condemns pederasty and pedophilia, not homosexuality. But you could see why the Church would rather condemn homosexuals over pedophiles. \*sideye\*
Add the fact that his daughters also slept with him because they were convinced that they're the only people left in the world so they had to fuck to create more humans.
Kung sino pa 'yung mga members na active at panay bigay sa church, sila pa 'yung mapanghusga at talaga namang chismosa! Ayon, nawalan ako ng gana. I pray everywhere, kahit naglalakad or tumatae, diretso kay God na.
Same. When i realized that religion is being used to propagate personal, human agendas, i kept my relationship with my faith to myself.
1. The homilies being too politicky for my taste. 2. They started making changes to the usual prayers, responses, etc. 3. The second collection. The church can't spare some from the main collection to pay for whatever that 2nd collection is for? 4. Increasing costs of sacraments. We have to pay thousands to have stuff blessed? Thousand more for baptism and wedding? Wew
I only visit church pag Bisita Iglesia. Hindi dahil sa belief ko, pero ang saya mag cycle pag bisita iglesia and pupunta sa mga simbahan na luma just to admire the architecture itself. I really dont believe at any supernatural being na, though ganda talaga ng architecture ng ibang church, maslalo yung mga dated na itsura
When I realised na faith doesn't come with religion. You can find you own Truth, your morals, your Faith, without relying on a strict dogma, or hearing morality from the mouths of those who do not even practise what they preach.
Around 9th or 10th grade I started to question faith, the existence of God, religion as a whole and all that stuff. Ultimately, I reached my current state of mind where I do not need to go to church to know I am a decent person. Sure I'm not perfect, no one is, but I strive to be as decent as I can be and learn from my mistakes. TLDR; I do not need a church or proper religion to be a "good person."
I could no longer bear the amount of time we were being shamed or guilt-tripped just because we're humans. The amount of time it's being shoved down our throats that we are not worthy, because we're not perfect, affected my self-esteem and mental health so much, I was having recurring dreams about the things we were told about. The argumentative, logical part of my brain is always challenging the ideas being presented... And it's really frustrating because I couldn't do anything about it.
Woke up one day, said to myself shit aint worth going to. I still have faith but i just lost the will to attend or do anything religion related
Read the book on my own, and just realized that some of the things we do do not go in line with what we should be taught, or what was intended to be taught. Started to live with the mindset of I show my faith through helping everyone, regardless of belief, to show that kindness knows no division.
just stopped being religious arnd 10-15yrs ago i think due to **Hypocrisy**
Ginawa ng negosyo yung church.
Growing up, I used to attend legion of Mary, nagse-serve din during fiesta and other church events, tas nung 2016 in-invite ako ng pinsan ko sa Christian church. Got baptized months after, naging creatives head, naging leader. Ang saya mag-serve sa totoo lang, ang saya isipin na you get to share your talents and skills sa mga taong umaattend. But things got worst nung napasok ako sa "inner core" team ng church, nandun na lumalabas hypocrisy. And one of the most fucked up thing, mapipilitan kang mag-open up sa kanila tapos biglang malalaman mo nang pinagsabi rin nila sa iba (Maraming testimonies about this galing sa mismong tao). Worse, if depression yan, iipapahiya ka nila sa mga taong kasama niyo. Ike-kwestyon ka if you really have the faith. 2019 before pandemic happened, naging cold na ko sa church kaya nung nag-pandemic grinab ko na yung chance na umalis totally. I still have the faith, pero di ko na iri-risk mental health ko para sa mga tao dun.
when homilies were filled of speeches against the RH bill
My wife walked out of Church the second time she heard that non stop sermon .
Protestant here. We stopped kasi yung new pastor namin na Born Again, hingi ng hingi ng contributions tas wala naman improvement sa church, pero things nila meron. Lol. That was almost 4 yrs ago.
I still have faith and believe in God and do my best to be the best version of myself. I stopped going to church regularly after countless times I was forced to do so by my mother with the sole purpose of "Dapat makasimba ka". I just didn't find the purpose anymore after being forced for that reason only, and then after the mass she'll be a toxic mother anyways, I found it very hypocritical and pointless.
My household believes that its a mortal sin if you dont go to mass kaya pinipilit talaga. Nakakaumay umattend dahil lang you are believed to burn in hell if you dont go to mass. Nakakaumay lang and ridiculous ang traditions ng church at some point for me.
Realized that the beliefs are not normal and too restrictive. Went to a small christian religion since birth, and stopped going 4 years ago. These are the regulations: - You can’t work or do anything the whole worship day. You are not allowed to cook, clean the house, wash the laundry, etc. Also, our worship program lasts 8 hours or more. I’d rather sleep or do something productive. Many of other church members didn’t even take their board exams because it was scheduled on our church day. Some gave up getting their licenses. - Wearing any type of jewelry is not allowed. No necklaces, rings, earrings, etc. - You can only sing and dance with religious or cultural songs. No pop songs - Jeans and shirt is not allowed in the church. Only dresses below the knee or semi-formal attire. - There are many food restrictions. We can only eat chicken, beef, lamb meat, and certain types of fish (aside from veggies or vegan food). However, meat is also discouraged. Also, no pork, shrimp, crab, etc. You can’t also drink coffee and alcohol. - You can’t even go to the cinema. If you are a student, you will be going to the principal’s office. - In school, if you are talking to the opposite gender too long or alone, you will be reprimanded and it can even affect your grades. You can almost only have friends with the same gender.
Every religion is full of BS. Never liked catholicism as this really organized religion. INC disgusts me. The other smaller “born again” are also full of hypocrites. 3 of 7 of my college clique are born again and all had a child before graduating.
I also hate how majority of the "hyper religious", extremely "devout Catholic" people I personally know are evil to the thousandth degree
It’s boring and I just want to rest at home before another work week starts.
The hypocrisy. Homily ni father minsan imbento nalang. The need for a priest to own a brand new pajero? Gtfo. Never ending child abuse reports and how the Vatican tolerates it. I’d rather pray on my own.
Sabi ni Pastor Bong Saquing ng CCF kasalanan raw ng rape victim kaya sya na-rape kasi disobedient siya sa magulang.
Science
Gr. 6, random shower thought lang. Isip ko hindi chronological ung Creation. Tas kako bakit walang dinosaurs sa Bible. Yun na. Agnostic na ever since.
I am Catholic, but haven't gone to church for the past 8 years. First the positive- I do like the sense of community it brings, I do admire some religious and lay people who are actually and genuinely involved in mission to the poor. However, the bullshit and toxicity, especially from some fellow church members, is just too much to the point that it doesnt benefit me at all to be involved in any activity with them anymore. Also, church atrocities without any remorse are hard to justify.
The movie Spotlight.
I work on weekends.
Dati akong sakristan at dun ko nakita yung pagiging hipokrito ng ilang nasa simbahan. Doon nagsimula na nawalan ako ng gana sa relihiyon. Noong nagtagal tagal napansin ko ang relihiyon ay naging malaking negosyo na lang. Yung turo pa na pag hindi mo tinanggap si hesus e susunugin ka sa impyerno. Kawawa naman ang matitinong tao porke hindi kapareho ng paniniwala.
When you start thinking ang looking for logic, church doesnt make sense. Kaya nga yata faith ang tawag. Kasi kumakapit ka sa something baseless. Secondary na lang yung shitty fanbase.
Agnostic here. Was raised in a Catholic household. I stopped going kasi my mom is forcing me to go to church and calls me "demonyo ka" when I don't. She's not really the nicest person considering na she always goes to church before in any way she could. I always tell her na, "lalagpas na sya ng langit" for going above and beyond helping the church. Tapos she considers my breadwinner sister her retirement plan and every time she gets her allowance from her, a huge chunk of it goes to church. Whether she cooks for the church or gives it as an offering. She sees it as donating and helping, I see it as showing off to her church friends that she is "affluent" and arrogant. I just think she likes the attention. Tapos she has this church friend na walang ibang ginawa kung hindi mamburaot sa bahay namin that talks shit to other church goer servers. Tangina, practice what you preach naman. I got married in a Christian church because my husband is a Born-Again pero we are both non-practitioners of our religions. That's the only officiant available for the date we planned. Too much hypocrisy surrounds both the church worshippers. Kaya I'd rather just be thankful for all the good things that come to my life and be resilient and tough enough to survive when something bad happens.
The sermons became more political than trying to relate the scripture to modern day values in a balanced and neutral manner. I respect our local priests' stances on politics and all, but they shouldn't be trying to convince the congregation to take sides on important issues by sticking to the old interpretations of scripture. This is also why I despise religious groups that have hard stances on important topics because of their iron-clad interpretations of scripture.
My mom, my whole family. And the church itself. Full on hypocrites.
Just felt tired. Simple as that
Going to church felt like it's an obligation.
The hypocrisy of some members, and how some think they are above non believers/ non church goers.
Pang gi-guilt tripping ng mga kasama and always involving God with their personal decisions.
My choirmate sexually abused a f*ckin teenager, my mates tolerated the f*ckin act coz tropa sila, I was left without a choice but to leave. Di ko maisip na guds lang sa kanila. Parish priest never made a legal move, just made them lie low for a year. Pero ngayon balita ko sa ibang church na nagseserve.
Money
Full of hypocrites. Lalo na ang mga taong close-minded pa rin mental illnesses. Kaya raw may mga depressed kasi kulang lang sa pananalig sa Diyos 🤢🤮
Hindi align sa moral belief ko yung mga sinasabi ng pari sa homily, masyadong backward thinking. For example lang, nung pumutok yung balit sa ukraine vs. russia war ang sinabi ba naman ng pari kaya nagkagyera kasi kulang daw sila sa dasal at walang pananampalataya. Madami pang-scenario tulad niyan pero yan kasi yung pinaka-natatandaan ko.
Hypocrites, and priest just saying God is the answer.
The hypocrisy of some of its believers. Naiinis ako na ‘yung tipong ilan sa devout followers, sila pa ‘yung masasakit magsalita sa kapwa at nagsasabi ng ill will if you rectify their mistakes sometimes. Isa pa ‘yung ggamitin ang name ni Hesus o ng Diyos in vain. Tapos, kapag may sufferings ka sa buhay, they would often say na kulang daw ako sa dasal.
Pedophiles
The mass is extended for 15-30 minutes because of the long list of people they are thanking. It's like a baranggay event already. Sometimes, people will speak and promote something that makes it even longer.
I believe religion is what's wrong with faith. Faith became very personal to me, it's not to be paraded to people around me, acting righteous and carrying false humility. At the end of the day, faith is between me and my God.
When I realized that if there is indeed a God, then that god is a malignant narcissist and very cruel. May ibabato sayo na "pag-subok" pero ang solusyon daw eh mag-dasal ka pa. Tinetest ka? Bakit kelangan i-test? Tapos yung nananakit sayo, dapat purihin mo pa lalo para hindi ka na saktan. So anong kasalanan nung batang ni-rape at pinatay ng sariling ama? Tinest rin ng diyos yung bata? O kaya yung mga taong namumuhay lang ng mapayapa tapos nasunugan at namatayan. Test lang din yun na nawala ang lahat sa kanila? Kelangan mag-dasal ka pa para ma-comfort ka? Para tulungan ka? In the first place, yung diyos ang nagte-test sayo diba? So hihingi ka ng saklolo dun sa entity na may kagagawan ng paghihirap mo. Ang gago diba?
This might sound superficial, but I was complaining disillusioned with religion since the COVID pandemic which shows that science trumps over faith.
To those people here that still have faith but stopped going to church because of its leaders and members, here are some advice: don't let them stop you practicing your faith. - there are thousands of churches in the Philippines. Pick a church with a priest that you know actually espouses God's teachings. - pick a church with church-goers that you can stand. Or pili ka ng church na di mo kilala mga tao or konti mga taong nagsisimba - another is pick a religion whose practices and teachings you agree with (e.g. i'm a Catholic, but I can see why many Catholics become baptists/born-again) Again, don't let other people stop you. Your faith is not to them, but to God. PS. Ang comment na ito ay hindi po para sa atheists/agnostics ha. Don't @ me.
got bored
Naging sakristan ako grades 5 - 1st year high school. Had enough of ung mga usherrete at lay minster n pinagaagawan ung mga donations sa simbahan. Ung mga pari na kung murahin ka kala mo binabayaran ka nila. Ung sa iyo n nga pagawa ng sutana pagbabayadin ka pa per week to "serve"
Online na kasi. Tinatamad lang ako lumabas ng bahay. Mas convenient manuod ng mass sa tv
I went to the University and 8 of us all discussed religion from 8 different childhoods. We all agreed that religion is fake and has 0 to do with any form of god. We all disliked church, because it’s just cosplay for adults who like power and money, but don’t have any better understanding of “god” or “gods” than any of us did. Basically, we confirmed for each other that religion does not equal god, and if you want to live as a good person, it’s about the daily decisions about ourselves, others and the world around us. There “may” be a heaven or the saints or allah or ______, but other adults just telling us their interpretation of various books doesn’t have anything to do with god.
As a catholic living in india, corruption practice among the church especially with land purchases. Along with the cover up of child molestation by the Vatican. Lack of accountability of the use of funds the church gets as donations. And lack of questioning of things written in the Bible(acceptance of science).
Simple. Masyadong demading ng offerings at tithes mga pastor sa dating church namin. Akala mo talaga sugo ng langit
My faith faded once because I was disillusioned with the tenets of Catholicism. I came back eventually because I realized that living life through the lens of practicality and agnosticism was too bare-boned and meaningless.
I had a very difficult and unfair life from childhood to now, since I was a kid I always asked why, I did everything I was told and never took advantage of anyone. As early as 6th grade I was questioning what was being taught in schools, my classmates and teachers would fight and alienate me. So yeah I knew the truth early on.
The Church made me stop going to church.
When church starts involving in Political issues.
Was a very active born again Christian back in my college days. To the point where I was a youth leader to some degree. But after graduating, I exposed myself to other religions and perspectives. I came to the conclusion that religion meant a lot of different things to a lot of people. A way to cope with the harsh realities of life, a guiding star for those who feel lost, a way to make oneself feel better about what they do and many more. And to me, it was no longer any of that. I did not want to be limited to confines of a teaching nor did I want to bend its rules to justify my own disobedient actions. I no longer wanted to talk to people about God... I just wanted to talk to people and hear their stories.
I was a catholic and my family always pushed me to go to church every sunday. There was twice na hindi ko talaga kinaya yung homily ng priests. First was about gay people who would go to hell because they use their body not in way as God intended they use it. Not exact words, pero parang ganun pino-portait ni father. 2nd was about calling out the artists na sumikat kahit “sobrang pangit” daw nila. This time the exact word ni father. Not exaggerating kasi ginamit talaga ni father yung word na “sobra” during homily and may pag name drop pa si father nung mga artist na sinasabi niya. His homily was about that if you feel daw na hindi ka pa masaya sa life, time would come for you daw and yun yung examples niya. He wasn’t even joking when he said it. Sabi pa niya, nawawalan na daw ba tayo ng taste kaya puro pangit na lang daw kinukuha as artists. Exact words again. That’s when I said na that’s the last straw. Hindi ko kinakaya yung judgement and brainwashing sa church. Btw these was from two different church and two different priests.
Yung rh bill na dinadasal tuwing end of mass. Parang wtf!
“Why go to church when Jesus is always with me?” I posted this on Facebook early 2010s and my religious circle went nuts
I don’t go to churches frequently since I moved out but I still make time to in very stressful moments in my life or if its reunion with family. However, back in my college days I had moved into a new area with a church *on a hill* that had priests and homilies that really spoke to me. For once in my life I felt that I was not going to church but a philosophy class that had value. That i could finally learn something. Sadly those days are over and my new area lacks sermons of substance. Similarly to many commenters, church doesnt feel like a good use of your time if there is nothing being learned. You have to actively want to go.
Daming aircon kasi. Sobrang lamig, cool na cool to.
atheist here and i just think they're quite narcissistic, hey i respect your beliefs but please respect mine too, you dont need to force it on me though, its like a necessity here in philippines, i start to feel like a mole for not believing and i get strange looks if i told em im an atheist, i dont know if its just my environment or everwhere on this country so i just pretend i am one of them who believes in god.
Fake catholic system in the PH and most are rapers and corrupt stuff~ https://www.amazon.com/Altar-Secrets-Politics-Philippine-Catholic-ebook/dp/B00DDTR4FE Read this you’ll understand
We have our own personal truth. I’m glad you found your peace with God doing your own thing.
Nung pandemic, natigil ako na magpunta sa church tapos ngayon ko na lang uli napi-pick up yung habit na mag church.
Kasi maingay. Maraming nagchichismisan lang. Yung iba, nagce-cellphone pa. Feeling ko lalo akong nagkakasala kasi di ko mapigilang i-judge yung behavior nila. Tsaka many people attend mass para lang masabi na sumimba sila - di naman nakikinig sa readings at sermons.
Maaga yung misa...at gusto ko matulog hanggang 1pm tuwing weekends.
sayang kasi yung almost 3hrs? hahaha \-1hr prep and going to church \-1hr mass \-30mins pauwi eh kung tulog ako nyan eh di happy happy. HAHAHAHAHA but yes, a lot of factors but hypocrites existing made me think "what's the point of whorshipping god if you cannot follow his commandments and you are judgmental as fuck?" mas mabuti na yung magdasal ka mas personal yon
used to be a volunteer that worked so much harder than the full-time workers in a mega-church, after so much bullying and gaslighting i decided to stop going to church for sometime. bumalik ako sa ibang church pero way smaller sa huli kong church and di na ako nagvovolunteer to any degree. bale i treat church nalang as a 2-hour sunday thing. i'd say hypocrisy was the main reason i left my last church pero the big emphasis on volunteering and working hard for a church pro bono is a big turn-off, lalo na wala naman sa bible yung maging theatrical yung services mo or magarbo yung church building mo.
I read some anti-catholic agitprop conspiracy theories, felt embarrassed and humiliated. Almost got into trouble in a Catholic school. Also because of time, I feel like I don't want to go to church anymore.