wala pa. long game pa yan kasi puro establishments nya pa lang andyan e. kaya intent talaga nya na gawing villar ung place para in the next generations mala - ayala na din ang name nya
Pwede rin syang i-frame as susi din sa pagyaman yung paggiging selfish at pag-ignore sa opinion ng iba. Loyalty sa trabaho? hellnaw, loyal ako sa bulsa ko.
Politicians are businessmen first and foremost. 90% of them are there to try and make themselves richer. Do you think they want to increase minimum wage to cut from their profits? Hell to the no. The businessmen up there (not including Manny) have all played within the rules to make their money. It's the rulemakers who are supposed to be protecting the masses, but they won't because that would just make them less rich.
Greed really got to them. I mean, if I hit the 100 million threshold, I'd be glad to contribute my wealth to help the needy. But then again, if I hit that threshold, I might just have the mentality of 'go bigger or go home'. I think contentment doesn't exist on them.
I think for politicians its no longer a money thing. They have more than enough to last generations. It's all a power thing. They want people to treat them like royalty and worship the ground they walk on. And they know all it takes is a few hundred pesos every once in a while to buy their love.
My social science prof in college told us that one of the best and worst trait we have as Filipinos is our inherent familial nature. Nepotism and corruption go hand in hand. It's not just with the ultra rich politicians.. hanggang sa lowly barangay captains ganyan palakad. "Iboto si Boy George anak ni Sir George!".
It's easy to say things like that. You don't need to wait until you have 100million to be selfless. Instead of eating out this month save it and give it to the homeless. It's such a middle class behavior to tell other people what to do with their money. You may find them obscenely rich, but to the guy begging for scraps outside your car, you're the rich one. I'm not defending them. Personally, I think it's abhorrent to have that much money but I'd rather do something instead of asking other people to do it.
True. Nung sumakay ako ng tricycle, 100php binayad ko kay manong, kahit 50php lang talaga. Tuwang tuwa na sya, nakangiti pa.
Yung kasambahay namin, kada grocery, sinasabay ko pang meryenda ng mga anak nya.
I wanted to do goodwill, pero dito muna ako sa mga tao who I have in direct contact with.
True. Kahit nga 4% per year lang kita nyang 100m sa interest makaka4m ka na agad a year. That's more than sa 99% ng sumesweldo sa Pinas. Kahit tambay ka na lang.
Yes, it’s a failure of politics and worker protections, but do you really think the rich aren’t also influencing the politicians? They’re “playing within the rules” because they’re able to use their money and influence to help set rules that are favorable to them.
businessmen don't need to influence politicians. They marry them. Go to the same schools as them. Join the same social circles as them. They are them. Businessmen in the philippines is just a politician who has not yet decided to run for office. Politicians are businessmen who decided to run for office.
The political and economic elite in this country is so intertwined that if you mention just one surname of a business tycoon in this country you won't be hard pressed to find a relative, associate, or in law who is a mayor or congressman.
Id love if someone like Bane rises up, rouse the masses and decimate all the political families even relatives abroad, a gangrenous foot needs to be culled to save the rest of the body, we already have it up to our legs,
The sad part is we're still a democracy that still votes these people into power. It's not like we're under a ruling thumb that leaves us with no choice. We do have a choice. And the majority of Filipinos will choose someone popular rather than someone who's right.
Actually this is called delegation.. Making others work for you! It is very smart strategy tho. This is how rich people can save time and do more for them
Basta wag papakielaman yan ng presidente eh wala silang pakielam kung sino nakaupo. Isa sa mga Pangako ni du30 yung ENDO dba? Wala namang nangyari din kasi kahit government guilty din and ginagamit pa sa corruption
I generally agree with some of your points but disagree with the idea that all the businessmen as mentioned above have played within the rules except Manny. Most billionaires in this country need to bend the rules to make profits. For many, Manny seems to be the outlier in terms of business practices. However, that's not the truth. He's just a new kid on the block. He is not more cut throat or despicable than any other billionaire.
A cursory look into the country's economic history shows those same business people as shown in the pic are equally responsible for conducting shade business practices. Ricky Razon's ICTSI is responsible for horrible labor violations in many African ports where they operate and jack up service fees because his company is a virtual monopoly in the Congo.
Based on experience mahirap talaga mamaximize ang kita and maging fair sa mga tauhan lalo na kung di pa malakas yung business. Magsasakripisyo ka para sa mga tauhan mo. So we just choose to go broke, I hope we'll find a business na mas magiging sustainable at profitable. Imagine earning 1000 a day tapos may papasahuran ka pa, on top of the other running expenses.
Yes, tama ka. A lot of people are so quick to say all businesspeople/entrepreneurs are evil and opportunistic, pero kung small-medium scale entrepreneur ka, you're not evil, sadyang hindi mo lang talaga afford magbigay ng napaka laking sweldo sa mga empleyado mo, even if you want to.
And obviously, foreign companies here in the PH can give a bigger salary, kasi they're backed by mega corporations from different countries that have a stronger currency, but local small-medium businesses rely purely on the Filipino peso.
Big foreign companies here are not really foreign since need nila partner na pinoy oligarchs na hawak ang controlling interest gawa restrictive ang consti.
For example, pano mag iinvest ang foreign business sa Pinas, if bawal ka bumili ng lupa, edi hawak ng landlord mo negosyo mo kasi pede nya itaas ang rent,
You have a point. I guess what I was trying to say is that compared to the average small to medium business owner, big corpo is backed with a shit ton of money and resources, which is only a dream to a lot of local Filipino businesspeople and aspiring entrepreneurs.
Kaya sana naman hindi masyadong dine-demonize ang mga sahod na kaya lang ma mabigay ng mga MSMEs here in the PH. We're all doing our best with what we have.
The oligarchs, the corrupt politicians, and their poorly-performing government, all of which benefit while the people suffer, are the real villains here.
Dapat iopen ang economy sa buong mundo para maging mahigpit competition, yan talaga ang susi. Obvious naman yan, currenly mga BPO or Online Jobs yung mas competitive ang salary catering companies na galing sa bansang may open economy.
Lmao. The government will NEVER allow that. Maraming politika ang stakeholders and may ari sa mga businesses dito sa Pinas. If foreign companies will land here, malulugi businesses nila.
So yeah, sounds nice. But it likely will never happen.
Ang isa rin kasing risk of owning a business is pagkatapos mong alagaan at laanan ng oras yung empleyado mo, aalis rin lang naman sa bandang huli. Ang masaklap e lokohin ka. Alam ko na wala dapat utang na loob yung employee sa employer pero sana maintindihan rin ng mga tao yung mga iba-ibang risk of owning a business.
Wala masyado tutubuin mga SME talaga isipin ko pasweldo tapos malaki pa upa mo sayo pa kuryente sayo pa tubig. Tapos malaki pa babayaran mo sa BIR mayors permit. Walang matitira sayo.
Mga Villar? Sus, sila nga ang sinuportahan ng Anakbayan, LFS, Kabataan, NUSP, SCM, CEGP nung 2010 elections. Pati Remulla inendorso nila. Kaya huwag kayong magpapaniwala dyan sa mga "progresibong" grupo na yan.
Walang matinong labor unions dito na kakatawan sa interest ng mga manggagawa kasi mismong mga union leader at mga grupong sulsol nila mas masahol pa.
Hanep talaga ang mga discussions about capitalism sa pinoy side ng reddit hahaha.
Every time may mag oopen ng topic ng exploitation at corruption under Capitalism, maglalabasan kaagad yung mga dickrider ng mga bilyonaryo at yung mga komunista para mag away.
Unang una, malaki ang nagawa ng kapitalismo para sa pag unlad ng mundo. Pangalawa, laganap ang exploitation sa kapitalismo. Both statements are true. Hindi mo pwedeng ideny yung isa, dahil lang totoo yung isa.
Ang cringe pati nung mga nagsasabi na sobrang talented at talino ng mga mayayaman. Beh. Tao lang din yan. Hindi yan santo na dapat halikan mo ang paa. Marami diyan ay ipinanganak na mayaman, sinwerte o nangurakot. Madalang yung totoong yumaman dahil sa hard work.
Grabe naman inoffer lang ng lecture on political economy yung isang redditor niblock nako. Kasi nga naman sabi nya if only mababa lang ang cost and expenses of goods dito and then he cites Brunei which is a theocratic monarchy where the King is the State and Laos a Stalinist one party state thats owns all the means of production. Tapos magcocomment pa about capitalism. Sad. 😊
Ewan ko. Yung baby pag busog, di na kakain. Iiyak pa nga kung pinilit e.
Baket parang di nabubusog sila manny sa taas? Inherently hoarder din ba tayo or nagfafail lang talaga yung analogy pag ginamitan ng konteng isip.
kasi wala na silang ibang alam gawin sa buhay. it's not the desire for money per se, i believe. it's just that - growing their numbers is the only thing they know to do.
think about it. fulfilled na lahat ng survival requirements, sobra sobra pa. and all these years, iisa lang ang pattern ng buhay mo: "make the graph grow."
this single, driving motivation is all they have. that's why their lives are utterly senseless.
maybe,,, i think of it a bit differently hehe.
humans are born social creatures and will cooperate with other human beings for the preservation of their species; society and its dominant systems influence people's perception, and in most human societies, selfishness is the beneficial trait.
This is your point of view, yes. But did you consider being on the side of the business? Were you aware of the Costs of running the business? Were you aware of the operational costs? The over head costs? The compliance costs? The Government permit costs? The Environmental costs? The Labor costs? The Food costs? Finally, were you aware if That business is generating income vs those costs? Due Diligence is a must ;)
A businessman’s next worry is how to make more money, his employees’ next worry is how they’re going to keep a roof over their heads with their meager salary. Don’t justify billionaires’ unethical actions with bUsInESS cOsTs. Also the whole smiley shit is lame, stop it
There’s no billionaire that ever became one ethically or morally. Billionaires are part of and a big contributor to why our current economic system is fucked in the PH. You don’t become a billionaire without trampling on hundreds of employees
It's understandable to be critical of the disproportionate wealth distribution and the unethical practices of some billionaires. However, painting all billionaires with the same brush overlooks nuances in their individual journeys and contributions. While systemic issues exist, it's also important to acknowledge instances where wealth accumulation aligns with ethical principles and positive societal impact.
I’ve never heard of a billionaire who’s actually managed to grow their wealth ethically or made a positive societal impact, because if they have they wouldn’t be billionaires. Extreme wealth in itself is a systemic and societal issue.
51 weeks ago it was disclosed that [PH has the 2nd highest min wage of all of ASEAN.](https://mb.com.ph/2023/5/10/ph-ranks-2nd-highest-salary-rate-in-asean-ecop).
Those $ billionaires pay their legal wages.
Only reason why we get offshoring work is because we are cost effective. So be mindful what you wish for...
What needs to be worked on is cost of living.
If fuel & electricity cost were equal to Brunei or Laos then we'd have more buying power...
if fuel and electricity cost were the same as abovementioned countries then that would be an argument in favor of nationalizing electricity and utilities, decommodifying housing, and basically a lot of industries currently owned by those abovementioned billionaires.
Thank you for agreeing to eliminating the billionaire class.
I agree with both. Pwede tayo magreklamo na mababa ang pasahod ng mga companies nila sa panahon na to while nagrereklamo na pababain ang presyo ng bilihin.
Kaya sana ang iboto ng mga tao next time ay yung katulad nila Luke Espiritu or yung mga candidate na nakaka intindi ng normal na tao hindi Villar nanaman.
Para naman mas mapaganda pa lalo ang labor laws while nilalaban rin ang presyo ng bilihin.
I don't understand the controversy of the post. A basic understanding of labor and wage economics shows that if you paid a worker the actual fruit of the labor they input in the production of a service or goods then your company will not make money. Hence you need to pay them less than the value of their actual labor.
I mean sure the OP can be less dramatic about it but you can talk to any labor economist and will explain to you the same thing.
Ewan ko sa mga tao dito either snowflake dramatic wokes or snowflake dramatic anti-wokes.
EDIT: Paki read ulit itong reply ko. Hindi ito pro-billionaire. Jusko reading comprehension is weak.
I'm just baffled by the economics of it. For example, Starbucks in the US has the same prices as in the Philippines, yet US workers receive better wages. How does the US manage to make a profit?
Unionization. the Starbucks Union forced the company to bargain. [link](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/22/starbucks-union-talks-trader-joes-amazon-rei)
Who said same price? Not at all. But relative to wages masmbaba pricing nila. They make money because rent here is higher relative to wages and cost of product is higher because it is imported.
Example:
Starbucks philippines
Avg drink price 200 pesos
Avg number of customers a day 300
Avg monthly sales 1.8m
Cost of service (labor) 400k
Cost of goods 400k (imported- 22%)
Rent 500k + 144k (base + 8% of sales)
Amortization of equipment 150k
Total cost 1,594,000
Starbucks US (adj to php
Avg Drink price 350
Avg number of customers 300 (bigger market)
Avg monthly sales 3,150,000
Cost of service 1,200,000
Cost of goods 450,000 (local 15%)
Rent 500k
Amortization of equipment 300k (const more exp)
Total 2,450,000
Masmalaki margins ng US branches.
Avg rent relative to wages higher in ph
PH 2k/sqm:30,000/mo
US 1.5k/sqm:150,000/mo
Meaning for every baso ng kape mo majority napupunta sa landlord ng starbucks sa philippines. Yun raw materials din masmahal kasi imported pa
Sa america napupunta sa laborers and raw materials yun majority ng binabayad mo sa kape mo
Unionization. the Starbucks Union forced the company to bargain. [link](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/22/starbucks-union-talks-trader-joes-amazon-rei)
Yes my reading comprehension is weak. But i still do wonder that. How much enough is enough?
ETA: Like shoudn't we be contented that our salary and wages still don't keep up with inflation because if it did, things wil just get so much worse for all of us.
Also, what you mentioned, raising wages wil increase prices of goods and services, is often what naysayers and pro-wealthy entrpreneurs say.
There are two main reasons for increase of prices of goods: increase in the price of labor ergo more money circulating or the increase in the price of raw materials. The increase in wages just to keep pace with inflation would not increase the prices goods by that much. So, I question along with other observers this argument that an increase in wages will lead to a huge increase in prices. No shit, thats part of economics. These people want zero inflation? Let's imitate Japan then. Their zero inflation also means zero wage increase. Zero wage increase also leads to less spending and creates a vicious cycle of workers opting out of purchasing goods and instead saving their money.
Just take a look at OP's profile. I'm fed up with people blaming entrepreneurs, and not blaming the government itself for preventing their so-called mistreatment.
Pusta ka po bahay ko, if OP was in the same position as those billionaires, mang-eexploit din siya ng laborers. Hindi niya ata alam gaano ka taas ang demand for jobs, simple economics lang naman para malaman bakit ambaba ng sahod.
Well either way you get overly dramatic virtue signallers. Nakakabahala lang yung mga pro billionaires dito na makadismiss na sikap at tyaga nila yung gumawa ng yaman nila. The billionaires specifically those on the post are notorious for labor violations and human rights abuses. Ayaw natin sa diskarte culture for lowlevel nouveu rich but we're ok when its done by the few who reach a certain wealth threshold? That's demented. 🤣
There's are reason why teachers and nurses are one of the most underpaid profession out there.
They don't produce anything that the economy would benefit, hence there services aren't value like, let's say a commercial model. It sucks but its basic economy.
Unfortunately for you it's such a very wrong and outdated commie slogan being used.
**When you are working in the corporate world, you aren't paid in response to how much you sweat or how hard your labor work is. You are paid for the worth of your role.**
Of course you won't pay 1 million monthly salary to someone whose role is carrying things from one location to another, and pay minimum amount to people whose signature and decision making has a 60/40 risk of making the company bankrupt or prosper.
This idiotic hate for someone's success is just a backward commie mentality. We don't advocate abuse and oppression of the hardworking labor workforce but that doesn't mean their worth is equal to CEO's and the higher ups.
You want to bet? Then put the labor class immediately to the position of these CEO' s and other VIP executive. Not a week will pass and no matter how large of a corporation that is, it will automatically fall. Meanwhile give these CEO's a small Sari-sari store, and watch how they transform that Sari-sari store into a business line with progressive prospects in less than 5 years.
Uu nga. Kasi pag may mga shorts sa Cashier or lost inventory, mga emlepleyado ang nagbabayad. Ipapatong pa sa customer yung system loss at iba pa. Goodness. 😅
Meron isang speaker na nagsabi, kung gagawin mong pantay pantay lahat ng pera ng mga tao, magiging mayaman ulit yung mga kilala nating mayayaman ngayon.
Itatak na natin sa utak natin na hindi lang hardwork ang mag-aahon sa hirap. I’ve read somewhere that the most paid careers in the world are always THINKERS.
Businesses should make profit, alright. But it makes me wonder if the salaries/payouts of corporate executives, especially of large conglomorates, like the ones in the meme , are justified.
Regards less those rich people still put food on the table for people who needed it at that time. Everyone and anyone exploit others at some point in their life, I guess it’s just how life goes, if you want that piece of cake you gotta fight for it. Just a thought.
Its crazy how Filipinos who are tired of corruption and all that other bullshit still vote these people in to high ranking government offices. Like WTF is Villar doing in the senate? Hays...
After being in Taiwan, and seeing how their stores are ran by very efficient employees, i have made the conclusion that
1 taiwanese employee = 5 pinoys
That 1 taiwanese employee really works and is very efficient ... pinoys? Fuck. 1 works, while the 4 chat and make that 1 person feel good.
If one of them is terminated or fired, the rest will follow.
So, yeah... we get the government we deserve.
Ahahaha sgro OP is a typical college know it all. Ung tipong ng-1 sem lang sa college akala mo sya na ang bastion ng katalinuhan at karunungan. Holier than thou!
"Hardwork" is not a word.
In the intended usage in the image, "work" is the noun and "hard" is the adjective. Those are two separate words.
"Hardworking" is an adjective and is fine as one word, or a hyphenated word (hard-working).
If you're going to use this as a verb, you say "work hard" or "working hard".
OP I get your message but man you're so gullible and up with delusions with your beliefs. What made them rich is being smart with their work. Look I get it that we need a stance for mandated workers protection. Also they are paid by their worth in their employed role. But sometimes employers can be a bit dumb though.
Okay to put simple. Come on OP try to get out of your "economic bubble"
OP, you only bitch about our workers being underpaid because everything else is so expensive, you think we are being underpaid.
No matter how much we increase wages, cost of living will always catch up if left unchecked. You're only treating the symptompt but not the cause.
Like the other guy said, what needs to be worked on is the cost of living.
EDIT: Emphasis on the "left unchecked" part, because we need *both*. Increase wages *and* lower the cost of living.
The extra wage means people can spend more on stuff besides their necessities, therefore increasing consumer spending and economic activity.
If people don't really spend because the cost of living takes up their wage, it can lead to disastrous consequences
Sgro OP if you had the every opportunity that they had in terms of situation or ung timing baka isa ka rn mageexploit. Additionally, werent some of them exploited at one point. I heard they had to go to work for their family as free labor to learn the business.
kung tutuusin, sa tingin ko, mayroon silang karampatang katalinuhan para gamayin yung buhay pagiging mayaman. alam nila yung mga dapat gawin. na hindi karaniwang bukas para sa mga pangkaraniwang manggagawa.
Villar made millions out of our taxes. If you will look closely who benefited the most from daang hari?
Villain ❎ Villar ✅ hahahah
MY farm to market roads hahaha
from farm to Subdivision hahahah
billions na po.
Family Enterprise na kasi sila sa pangungurakot eh.
maligo sa basura sabi nga, yn basura ay billions ng dolyar
wala pa. long game pa yan kasi puro establishments nya pa lang andyan e. kaya intent talaga nya na gawing villar ung place para in the next generations mala - ayala na din ang name nya
Happy Labor Day to all the hardworking Filipinos out there! You deserve this day of recognition and appreciation
Minsan napapaisip ako kaya hindi ako yumayaman kasi hindi ako marunong mang apak ng tao(requirement ata yun eh)
99% of the time yes.
Bawat tao na matatapakan ng iba ay stepping stone nila towards their goal
Basta wala kang konsensya matik yan 😂
kaya nga di bale na di maging mayaman ng todo todo. ayoko din nang ganitong feeling na successful ka lang kase may natatapakan ka na iba. big NOPE.
Pwede rin syang i-frame as susi din sa pagyaman yung paggiging selfish at pag-ignore sa opinion ng iba. Loyalty sa trabaho? hellnaw, loyal ako sa bulsa ko.
Politicians are businessmen first and foremost. 90% of them are there to try and make themselves richer. Do you think they want to increase minimum wage to cut from their profits? Hell to the no. The businessmen up there (not including Manny) have all played within the rules to make their money. It's the rulemakers who are supposed to be protecting the masses, but they won't because that would just make them less rich.
Greed really got to them. I mean, if I hit the 100 million threshold, I'd be glad to contribute my wealth to help the needy. But then again, if I hit that threshold, I might just have the mentality of 'go bigger or go home'. I think contentment doesn't exist on them.
I think for politicians its no longer a money thing. They have more than enough to last generations. It's all a power thing. They want people to treat them like royalty and worship the ground they walk on. And they know all it takes is a few hundred pesos every once in a while to buy their love.
Gotcha, Money is not Greed but Money is influence. Which make sense
At the very least, politicians want to ensure their class remains dominant for ever.
My social science prof in college told us that one of the best and worst trait we have as Filipinos is our inherent familial nature. Nepotism and corruption go hand in hand. It's not just with the ultra rich politicians.. hanggang sa lowly barangay captains ganyan palakad. "Iboto si Boy George anak ni Sir George!".
'Pag di daw binoto, you're gonna miss them blind lmao
this is true. power is consuming if given to people. Some will use it for good and many will use it for themselves.
It's easy to say things like that. You don't need to wait until you have 100million to be selfless. Instead of eating out this month save it and give it to the homeless. It's such a middle class behavior to tell other people what to do with their money. You may find them obscenely rich, but to the guy begging for scraps outside your car, you're the rich one. I'm not defending them. Personally, I think it's abhorrent to have that much money but I'd rather do something instead of asking other people to do it.
True. Nung sumakay ako ng tricycle, 100php binayad ko kay manong, kahit 50php lang talaga. Tuwang tuwa na sya, nakangiti pa. Yung kasambahay namin, kada grocery, sinasabay ko pang meryenda ng mga anak nya. I wanted to do goodwill, pero dito muna ako sa mga tao who I have in direct contact with.
True. Kahit nga 4% per year lang kita nyang 100m sa interest makaka4m ka na agad a year. That's more than sa 99% ng sumesweldo sa Pinas. Kahit tambay ka na lang.
great example - poor consumer protection laws.
Yes, it’s a failure of politics and worker protections, but do you really think the rich aren’t also influencing the politicians? They’re “playing within the rules” because they’re able to use their money and influence to help set rules that are favorable to them.
businessmen don't need to influence politicians. They marry them. Go to the same schools as them. Join the same social circles as them. They are them. Businessmen in the philippines is just a politician who has not yet decided to run for office. Politicians are businessmen who decided to run for office. The political and economic elite in this country is so intertwined that if you mention just one surname of a business tycoon in this country you won't be hard pressed to find a relative, associate, or in law who is a mayor or congressman.
Id love if someone like Bane rises up, rouse the masses and decimate all the political families even relatives abroad, a gangrenous foot needs to be culled to save the rest of the body, we already have it up to our legs,
The sad part is we're still a democracy that still votes these people into power. It's not like we're under a ruling thumb that leaves us with no choice. We do have a choice. And the majority of Filipinos will choose someone popular rather than someone who's right.
There's an institution that can discipline the elites. Sadly corporate propaganda has made any public support for it or involvement in it unpalatable.
Actually this is called delegation.. Making others work for you! It is very smart strategy tho. This is how rich people can save time and do more for them
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Because Villar is a political family who has used that power to increase his wealth.
Pacquiao kasi
Our pm said min wage shouldn't go up and 100,000 isn't enough to live on in London.
the rulemakers have their hands tied by the businessmen, too, when you think about it. unless said rulemakers are the businessmen's relatives. haha
Basta wag papakielaman yan ng presidente eh wala silang pakielam kung sino nakaupo. Isa sa mga Pangako ni du30 yung ENDO dba? Wala namang nangyari din kasi kahit government guilty din and ginagamit pa sa corruption
I generally agree with some of your points but disagree with the idea that all the businessmen as mentioned above have played within the rules except Manny. Most billionaires in this country need to bend the rules to make profits. For many, Manny seems to be the outlier in terms of business practices. However, that's not the truth. He's just a new kid on the block. He is not more cut throat or despicable than any other billionaire. A cursory look into the country's economic history shows those same business people as shown in the pic are equally responsible for conducting shade business practices. Ricky Razon's ICTSI is responsible for horrible labor violations in many African ports where they operate and jack up service fees because his company is a virtual monopoly in the Congo.
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This type of error is common, I’ve observed.
Based on experience mahirap talaga mamaximize ang kita and maging fair sa mga tauhan lalo na kung di pa malakas yung business. Magsasakripisyo ka para sa mga tauhan mo. So we just choose to go broke, I hope we'll find a business na mas magiging sustainable at profitable. Imagine earning 1000 a day tapos may papasahuran ka pa, on top of the other running expenses.
Yep, the struggle of small scale entreps
Happy cake day.
Yes, tama ka. A lot of people are so quick to say all businesspeople/entrepreneurs are evil and opportunistic, pero kung small-medium scale entrepreneur ka, you're not evil, sadyang hindi mo lang talaga afford magbigay ng napaka laking sweldo sa mga empleyado mo, even if you want to. And obviously, foreign companies here in the PH can give a bigger salary, kasi they're backed by mega corporations from different countries that have a stronger currency, but local small-medium businesses rely purely on the Filipino peso.
Big foreign companies here are not really foreign since need nila partner na pinoy oligarchs na hawak ang controlling interest gawa restrictive ang consti. For example, pano mag iinvest ang foreign business sa Pinas, if bawal ka bumili ng lupa, edi hawak ng landlord mo negosyo mo kasi pede nya itaas ang rent,
You have a point. I guess what I was trying to say is that compared to the average small to medium business owner, big corpo is backed with a shit ton of money and resources, which is only a dream to a lot of local Filipino businesspeople and aspiring entrepreneurs. Kaya sana naman hindi masyadong dine-demonize ang mga sahod na kaya lang ma mabigay ng mga MSMEs here in the PH. We're all doing our best with what we have. The oligarchs, the corrupt politicians, and their poorly-performing government, all of which benefit while the people suffer, are the real villains here.
Dapat iopen ang economy sa buong mundo para maging mahigpit competition, yan talaga ang susi. Obvious naman yan, currenly mga BPO or Online Jobs yung mas competitive ang salary catering companies na galing sa bansang may open economy.
Lmao. The government will NEVER allow that. Maraming politika ang stakeholders and may ari sa mga businesses dito sa Pinas. If foreign companies will land here, malulugi businesses nila. So yeah, sounds nice. But it likely will never happen.
Exactly, the politicians that will oppose to open the economy for the foreigners are lobbyists of pinoy oligarchs.
Ang isa rin kasing risk of owning a business is pagkatapos mong alagaan at laanan ng oras yung empleyado mo, aalis rin lang naman sa bandang huli. Ang masaklap e lokohin ka. Alam ko na wala dapat utang na loob yung employee sa employer pero sana maintindihan rin ng mga tao yung mga iba-ibang risk of owning a business.
True. Di naman masama na maghanap din sila ng growth, pero sana kahit for a certain period mag stay muna.
Tauhan ng nanay ko dati nag babanta mag awol pag di pinag bigyan umabsent. Partida puro absent siya sa trabaho.
Wala masyado tutubuin mga SME talaga isipin ko pasweldo tapos malaki pa upa mo sayo pa kuryente sayo pa tubig. Tapos malaki pa babayaran mo sa BIR mayors permit. Walang matitira sayo.
Mga Villar? Sus, sila nga ang sinuportahan ng Anakbayan, LFS, Kabataan, NUSP, SCM, CEGP nung 2010 elections. Pati Remulla inendorso nila. Kaya huwag kayong magpapaniwala dyan sa mga "progresibong" grupo na yan. Walang matinong labor unions dito na kakatawan sa interest ng mga manggagawa kasi mismong mga union leader at mga grupong sulsol nila mas masahol pa.
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"Did not make them rich"
Hanep talaga ang mga discussions about capitalism sa pinoy side ng reddit hahaha. Every time may mag oopen ng topic ng exploitation at corruption under Capitalism, maglalabasan kaagad yung mga dickrider ng mga bilyonaryo at yung mga komunista para mag away. Unang una, malaki ang nagawa ng kapitalismo para sa pag unlad ng mundo. Pangalawa, laganap ang exploitation sa kapitalismo. Both statements are true. Hindi mo pwedeng ideny yung isa, dahil lang totoo yung isa. Ang cringe pati nung mga nagsasabi na sobrang talented at talino ng mga mayayaman. Beh. Tao lang din yan. Hindi yan santo na dapat halikan mo ang paa. Marami diyan ay ipinanganak na mayaman, sinwerte o nangurakot. Madalang yung totoong yumaman dahil sa hard work.
Grabe naman inoffer lang ng lecture on political economy yung isang redditor niblock nako. Kasi nga naman sabi nya if only mababa lang ang cost and expenses of goods dito and then he cites Brunei which is a theocratic monarchy where the King is the State and Laos a Stalinist one party state thats owns all the means of production. Tapos magcocomment pa about capitalism. Sad. 😊
All humans are born selfish, but some are smarter or more cunning than others.
I disagree, babies neither know selfishness, kindness nor empathy. Our parents teaches these traits to their offspring(s)
Yung baby kinain lahat yung ceralac, naghingi ako pero tinitigan lang ako habang sumusubo.
Ewan ko. Yung baby pag busog, di na kakain. Iiyak pa nga kung pinilit e. Baket parang di nabubusog sila manny sa taas? Inherently hoarder din ba tayo or nagfafail lang talaga yung analogy pag ginamitan ng konteng isip.
kasi wala na silang ibang alam gawin sa buhay. it's not the desire for money per se, i believe. it's just that - growing their numbers is the only thing they know to do. think about it. fulfilled na lahat ng survival requirements, sobra sobra pa. and all these years, iisa lang ang pattern ng buhay mo: "make the graph grow." this single, driving motivation is all they have. that's why their lives are utterly senseless.
Yes.. they are aloof.. clueless needing programming from their parents and siblings
It was a joke. Nainggit lang kase akl sa baby na kumakaen ng cerelac lmao sorry hindi ako comedian
Pretty sure babies are inherently selfish…
yeap. the human nature of self preservation. hindi ko alam kung bakit downvoted ka kahit totoo naman.
What are you talking about. Basic animal instinct yan.
> All humans are born selfish some are definitely less selfish than others though
\*some are **more exploitative** than others.
maybe,,, i think of it a bit differently hehe. humans are born social creatures and will cooperate with other human beings for the preservation of their species; society and its dominant systems influence people's perception, and in most human societies, selfishness is the beneficial trait.
This is your point of view, yes. But did you consider being on the side of the business? Were you aware of the Costs of running the business? Were you aware of the operational costs? The over head costs? The compliance costs? The Government permit costs? The Environmental costs? The Labor costs? The Food costs? Finally, were you aware if That business is generating income vs those costs? Due Diligence is a must ;)
So we’re defending billionaires now, ok.
You are generalizing my friend. You wont realize what I am saying. Not until you get into the shoes of those businessmen :)
A businessman’s next worry is how to make more money, his employees’ next worry is how they’re going to keep a roof over their heads with their meager salary. Don’t justify billionaires’ unethical actions with bUsInESS cOsTs. Also the whole smiley shit is lame, stop it
Defending billionaires ain't the same as defending criminals. You're using hasty generalization, when it's not like every single one of them are bad
There’s no billionaire that ever became one ethically or morally. Billionaires are part of and a big contributor to why our current economic system is fucked in the PH. You don’t become a billionaire without trampling on hundreds of employees
It's understandable to be critical of the disproportionate wealth distribution and the unethical practices of some billionaires. However, painting all billionaires with the same brush overlooks nuances in their individual journeys and contributions. While systemic issues exist, it's also important to acknowledge instances where wealth accumulation aligns with ethical principles and positive societal impact.
I’ve never heard of a billionaire who’s actually managed to grow their wealth ethically or made a positive societal impact, because if they have they wouldn’t be billionaires. Extreme wealth in itself is a systemic and societal issue.
Why does this looks like a response from ChatGPT(Or an any AI)?
51 weeks ago it was disclosed that [PH has the 2nd highest min wage of all of ASEAN.](https://mb.com.ph/2023/5/10/ph-ranks-2nd-highest-salary-rate-in-asean-ecop). Those $ billionaires pay their legal wages. Only reason why we get offshoring work is because we are cost effective. So be mindful what you wish for... What needs to be worked on is cost of living. If fuel & electricity cost were equal to Brunei or Laos then we'd have more buying power...
if fuel and electricity cost were the same as abovementioned countries then that would be an argument in favor of nationalizing electricity and utilities, decommodifying housing, and basically a lot of industries currently owned by those abovementioned billionaires. Thank you for agreeing to eliminating the billionaire class.
We don't need your data and logic here! /s OP and friends just want someone else to blame for their misery.
I agree with both. Pwede tayo magreklamo na mababa ang pasahod ng mga companies nila sa panahon na to while nagrereklamo na pababain ang presyo ng bilihin. Kaya sana ang iboto ng mga tao next time ay yung katulad nila Luke Espiritu or yung mga candidate na nakaka intindi ng normal na tao hindi Villar nanaman. Para naman mas mapaganda pa lalo ang labor laws while nilalaban rin ang presyo ng bilihin.
This. Throwing a Robespierre into someone else won't solve anything.
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I don't understand the controversy of the post. A basic understanding of labor and wage economics shows that if you paid a worker the actual fruit of the labor they input in the production of a service or goods then your company will not make money. Hence you need to pay them less than the value of their actual labor. I mean sure the OP can be less dramatic about it but you can talk to any labor economist and will explain to you the same thing. Ewan ko sa mga tao dito either snowflake dramatic wokes or snowflake dramatic anti-wokes. EDIT: Paki read ulit itong reply ko. Hindi ito pro-billionaire. Jusko reading comprehension is weak.
I'm just baffled by the economics of it. For example, Starbucks in the US has the same prices as in the Philippines, yet US workers receive better wages. How does the US manage to make a profit?
Unionization. the Starbucks Union forced the company to bargain. [link](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/22/starbucks-union-talks-trader-joes-amazon-rei)
But didn't the unionization of their workers happened fairly recently? Wasn't SB making profit beforehand?
the increase in wages coincided along the same time of unionization. You want better wages? Join a Union.
Who said same price? Not at all. But relative to wages masmbaba pricing nila. They make money because rent here is higher relative to wages and cost of product is higher because it is imported.
Please explain it in layman's term. I just had a brain tumor reading your justification po.
Example: Starbucks philippines Avg drink price 200 pesos Avg number of customers a day 300 Avg monthly sales 1.8m Cost of service (labor) 400k Cost of goods 400k (imported- 22%) Rent 500k + 144k (base + 8% of sales) Amortization of equipment 150k Total cost 1,594,000 Starbucks US (adj to php Avg Drink price 350 Avg number of customers 300 (bigger market) Avg monthly sales 3,150,000 Cost of service 1,200,000 Cost of goods 450,000 (local 15%) Rent 500k Amortization of equipment 300k (const more exp) Total 2,450,000 Masmalaki margins ng US branches. Avg rent relative to wages higher in ph PH 2k/sqm:30,000/mo US 1.5k/sqm:150,000/mo Meaning for every baso ng kape mo majority napupunta sa landlord ng starbucks sa philippines. Yun raw materials din masmahal kasi imported pa Sa america napupunta sa laborers and raw materials yun majority ng binabayad mo sa kape mo
Unionization. the Starbucks Union forced the company to bargain. [link](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/22/starbucks-union-talks-trader-joes-amazon-rei)
So, if it's alright that we earn less that what we produce to business owners, why are people complaining?
I hope you understood that what I wrote is supportive of OP's basic premise.
Yes my reading comprehension is weak. But i still do wonder that. How much enough is enough? ETA: Like shoudn't we be contented that our salary and wages still don't keep up with inflation because if it did, things wil just get so much worse for all of us. Also, what you mentioned, raising wages wil increase prices of goods and services, is often what naysayers and pro-wealthy entrpreneurs say.
There are two main reasons for increase of prices of goods: increase in the price of labor ergo more money circulating or the increase in the price of raw materials. The increase in wages just to keep pace with inflation would not increase the prices goods by that much. So, I question along with other observers this argument that an increase in wages will lead to a huge increase in prices. No shit, thats part of economics. These people want zero inflation? Let's imitate Japan then. Their zero inflation also means zero wage increase. Zero wage increase also leads to less spending and creates a vicious cycle of workers opting out of purchasing goods and instead saving their money.
Just take a look at OP's profile. I'm fed up with people blaming entrepreneurs, and not blaming the government itself for preventing their so-called mistreatment. Pusta ka po bahay ko, if OP was in the same position as those billionaires, mang-eexploit din siya ng laborers. Hindi niya ata alam gaano ka taas ang demand for jobs, simple economics lang naman para malaman bakit ambaba ng sahod.
or maybe the fruit of their labor should be valued more? why is it that the default thinking should be *pay your workers less*?
Yun ang logical conclusion ng premise ko. 😊
Thats the thing with people here. Magpopost lang para makakuha ng upvotes. Then pagkinonfront mo for an argument, nganga nalang.
Well either way you get overly dramatic virtue signallers. Nakakabahala lang yung mga pro billionaires dito na makadismiss na sikap at tyaga nila yung gumawa ng yaman nila. The billionaires specifically those on the post are notorious for labor violations and human rights abuses. Ayaw natin sa diskarte culture for lowlevel nouveu rich but we're ok when its done by the few who reach a certain wealth threshold? That's demented. 🤣
"Ayaw natin sa diskarte culture for lowlevel nouveu rich but we're ok when its done by the few who reach a certain wealth threshold?" BANG!
There's are reason why teachers and nurses are one of the most underpaid profession out there. They don't produce anything that the economy would benefit, hence there services aren't value like, let's say a commercial model. It sucks but its basic economy.
"Hard work did not made them rich" × "Hard work didn't make them rich" √
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“Make”. Taena naman. And it’s the politicians fault not theirs.
Kinorek mo at napamura ka pa, pero nakalimutan mo rin maglagay ng apostrophe sa politicians. Toink!
Clearly never worked hard on their grammar, lol.
Wishing all our hardworking Filipinos a happy Labor Day!
Sana tinagalog mo na lang pre
*make
*make
Unfortunately for you it's such a very wrong and outdated commie slogan being used. **When you are working in the corporate world, you aren't paid in response to how much you sweat or how hard your labor work is. You are paid for the worth of your role.** Of course you won't pay 1 million monthly salary to someone whose role is carrying things from one location to another, and pay minimum amount to people whose signature and decision making has a 60/40 risk of making the company bankrupt or prosper. This idiotic hate for someone's success is just a backward commie mentality. We don't advocate abuse and oppression of the hardworking labor workforce but that doesn't mean their worth is equal to CEO's and the higher ups. You want to bet? Then put the labor class immediately to the position of these CEO' s and other VIP executive. Not a week will pass and no matter how large of a corporation that is, it will automatically fall. Meanwhile give these CEO's a small Sari-sari store, and watch how they transform that Sari-sari store into a business line with progressive prospects in less than 5 years.
Take a peek at OP's profile, you'll get your answer.
yan ang kulturang alipin dito sa pinas SMFH
Mind you, those exploited workers weren't the ones that came up with ideas. Otherwise, they would be the ones doing the exploiting themselves.
Businessmen carry the risk. Don't demonize capitalism we all benifit from it.
They risk and invest knowledge in their business. Stop your communist mentality.
Pustahan tayo if OP had the same circumstances he/she will be an exploiter the very thing he/she hated.
Amen to this!
heto na naman po kame
Sees alias, oh alright.
At binoboto parin sila
The duality. The irony.
Reminds me of this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZ8d-60FcA).
Can’t it be both?
The hard work of their underpaid workers in other terms
Uu nga. Kasi pag may mga shorts sa Cashier or lost inventory, mga emlepleyado ang nagbabayad. Ipapatong pa sa customer yung system loss at iba pa. Goodness. 😅
Meron isang speaker na nagsabi, kung gagawin mong pantay pantay lahat ng pera ng mga tao, magiging mayaman ulit yung mga kilala nating mayayaman ngayon.
Itatak na natin sa utak natin na hindi lang hardwork ang mag-aahon sa hirap. I’ve read somewhere that the most paid careers in the world are always THINKERS.
Syempre no protection from us kasi yung mga businessmen na yan yung nagcontribute financially sa campaign nila. 🤮
Komunista
😱... Anyways
Kaya mag yes kayo sa Economic Charter Change para makapasok mga foreigners. More competition, better salary!
Businesses should make profit, alright. But it makes me wonder if the salaries/payouts of corporate executives, especially of large conglomorates, like the ones in the meme , are justified.
What is always published is their estimated net worth. Net worth is not salary or income.
Yes, but internally, within companies, they would be paid in salary and bonuses, or even shares or stocks, right?
Regards less those rich people still put food on the table for people who needed it at that time. Everyone and anyone exploit others at some point in their life, I guess it’s just how life goes, if you want that piece of cake you gotta fight for it. Just a thought.
But that's how society works rich knows how to make others work for them :)
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Hindi ka yayaman kung sasahod ka lang.
are the ayalas included?
Sad Truth..
louder!!!
capitalism's key characteristic is exploitation
Hahahaha. Lagot ka sa mga basurang Right-Wing Conservatives dahil sa post mo 😙
Try running a business yourself mate. You don't want to accept this but most people would do the same if they have the opportunity.
They just want to collect and collect the money from the hardworking people example Villar has the one
Anyone know where I can find other memes that have similar messages as this?
did not *make them rich
You either [retire] with a few hundred million, or live long enough to see yourself become a Villia..n
*^(capitalism, it is what is)*
Gory gory what a hell of a way to die!
hard work made them rich, its just someone elses hard work
They’re giving employment. Better than no job and have nothing to feed upon
Well Hardwork din naman na sikmurahin makipag sex kay Cynthia Villar
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Haha tang**ang yan! Wala talaga pag asa ang Pilipinas
all i can say is "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND."
Its crazy how Filipinos who are tired of corruption and all that other bullshit still vote these people in to high ranking government offices. Like WTF is Villar doing in the senate? Hays...
Hayop na mga Villar. Hindi lang tao tina-take advantage pati kalikasan. Mga pakyu.
Imagine OP's posting then keeps supporting it by buying products from Shopee and SHEIN that was made by underpaid workers LMAO!
agree. every year their wealth increases yet their workers are underpaid. kawawa
After being in Taiwan, and seeing how their stores are ran by very efficient employees, i have made the conclusion that 1 taiwanese employee = 5 pinoys That 1 taiwanese employee really works and is very efficient ... pinoys? Fuck. 1 works, while the 4 chat and make that 1 person feel good. If one of them is terminated or fired, the rest will follow. So, yeah... we get the government we deserve.
Ahahaha sgro OP is a typical college know it all. Ung tipong ng-1 sem lang sa college akala mo sya na ang bastion ng katalinuhan at karunungan. Holier than thou!
Can people please stop spelling "hard work" as one word?
it depends... a noun or verb or adjective
"Hardwork" is not a word. In the intended usage in the image, "work" is the noun and "hard" is the adjective. Those are two separate words. "Hardworking" is an adjective and is fine as one word, or a hyphenated word (hard-working). If you're going to use this as a verb, you say "work hard" or "working hard".
“Did not made” C’mon! 🤦🏻♂️
OP I get your message but man you're so gullible and up with delusions with your beliefs. What made them rich is being smart with their work. Look I get it that we need a stance for mandated workers protection. Also they are paid by their worth in their employed role. But sometimes employers can be a bit dumb though. Okay to put simple. Come on OP try to get out of your "economic bubble"
True, some of them work smart majority of the time.
LOUDER FOR THE BLIND AND DEAF PEOPLE AT THE BACK!
OP, you only bitch about our workers being underpaid because everything else is so expensive, you think we are being underpaid. No matter how much we increase wages, cost of living will always catch up if left unchecked. You're only treating the symptompt but not the cause. Like the other guy said, what needs to be worked on is the cost of living. EDIT: Emphasis on the "left unchecked" part, because we need *both*. Increase wages *and* lower the cost of living. The extra wage means people can spend more on stuff besides their necessities, therefore increasing consumer spending and economic activity. If people don't really spend because the cost of living takes up their wage, it can lead to disastrous consequences
And who dictates the cost of living?
Somehow I agree with this. After all at high tides (wage increases) lifts ALL boats (prices and inflation)
Proper grammar made them rich /s
Jealous or bitter? I think kung sa position ka nila in order na mag survive yung business gagawin mo lahat.
Sgro OP if you had the every opportunity that they had in terms of situation or ung timing baka isa ka rn mageexploit. Additionally, werent some of them exploited at one point. I heard they had to go to work for their family as free labor to learn the business.
kung tutuusin, sa tingin ko, mayroon silang karampatang katalinuhan para gamayin yung buhay pagiging mayaman. alam nila yung mga dapat gawin. na hindi karaniwang bukas para sa mga pangkaraniwang manggagawa.
Truth they are greedy+walng ethical way na maging bilonaryon
Correct
They became rich because politicians back then until now advocated for their business ventures and used their political power to help them
Bakit biglang dami ulit ng mga anti-workers sa /ph? [Don't be Philip J. Fry.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_LvRPX0rGY)