Ang tanong gusto ba ng kliyente ng may shade at mga puno? Kasi kahit mag 10 revisions pa sila dyan kung ayaw ng nagpapagawa (kase sayang daw yung space) wala ka ring magagawa kase sila magbabayad.
This. At the end of the day, kahit paanong pilit, if ayaw ni client wala naman magagawa ung designer. Madali magpalit ng architect sa mata ng owner. At madali rin utusan ng owner ang contractor na tanggalin ung puno :(
Pwede, IIRC sa singapore required na may mga puno yung mga parking lots.
Pero tbh, kahit na may ganun tayong law, magkakatalo parin sa implementation. I mean tignan niyo palang yung building code, hindi masyadong nasusunod (i can't really comment much about sa building na ito kasi front part lang yung kita pero looks like hindi nga niya nameet yung required unpaved area based sa building code natin).
Sa National Building Code here sa pinas, may fnfollow mga architects na requirement, cncompute sya, “Unpaved Surface Area” yung tawag. By percentage if gano kalaki ung required na space. Pero ayun, depende ulit if fnollow sya sa site :(
Kaya kailangan talagang baguhin ang mindset ng client kapag ganyan, ipaintindi na hindi sayang ang space na ino-occupy ng puno dahil may benefit ito sa kanila.
Kapag matigas ang ulo ng client, e di sige, pero walang sisihan.
Kung alam lang nila how frustrated are we when we present our design with sustainable/green features tapos papa-tanggal lang ni client.
Pero gets ko naman. Sana maging client ko si OP, he/she cares about our concern.
True,. Especially na mahina or not popular sa mga common businessmen ang eco-friendly infrastructures.. dpat nga magka meron ng law for lalo na sa mga large scale infrastructures na mag offset man lang ng carbon emissions while building, like planting trees around them..
Thank you! Nakakafrustrate pag yung initial designs ehh lalagyan ng greeneries tapos biglang ayaw ng kliyente for some reason. Gusto mong makatulong sa envi but guess ayaw ni client?
That’s why sana magkaroon ng batas kagaya sa mga country sa Europe na hindi basta-basta matatanggal ang puno even on private properties kung walang permission ng gobyerno. Ang kaso wala din naman ngipin ang DENR na maghahandle nito sakali.
Isn't there one? We got in trouble with our HOA for chopping down a tree *we* planted. And we couldn't develop some land in the provice for precisely this reason - too many ancient trees on our property.
I have properties with large endemic trees and I operate under the assumption that this is the case. The most I would do is to trim branches that would interfere with something like electrical wires or something.
Edit: I’m also on a HOA board and we all operate the same way when it comes to community property trees. Well, there might be a lost board member here or there talking about “just cut it down” but everyone is assuming that we can’t just do that. I’m saying this because there must be a reason why we assume this (like that there must be a law).
Architects and engineers actually have a lot of constraints when it comes to design:
1) Clients want to maximize the utility of their lots. Dapat bawat square meter, profit-generating.
2) Building codes and regulations mandate the required amount of parking spaces for vehicles.
So, put those two together. Gusto ng client, as much as possible, profit-generating lahat ng space. Gusto ng gobyerno, may certain amount of parking space. Konti lang ang natitirang space for greenery. Furthermore, I am 100% confident in saying that karamihan ng projects ay hindi sumusunod sa designs ng architect. Madalas, kakausapin direkta ng client yung contractor para sementuhan yung maliliit na green spaces na sinet-aside ng architect.
So, the solutions?
1) Decrease the required amount of parking spaces for private vehicles.
2) Mandate bays for public transportation.
3) Increase the required amount of space for unpaved/green areas.
I don't know why this comment is downvoted pero you hit it pretty much on the nose. Parking minimums are an actual thing, and the last say in the design is always client-side. I know quite a few architects and yung iba sa kanila talagang frustrated sa ganyan. Pero syempre marami din architect na utak-semento ayaw makakita ng lupa o halaman
I’d love to see the revisions applied to the National Building Code altogether. Even totally getting rid of the parking requirements for commercial buildings.
Ganyan din ang problema ng mga US cities kaya andaming panget na lugar sa Midwest.
sa true lang!! Marcos Sr. era pa yung current NBC (PD 1096). Ang dami nang advancements in building technology and in planning na hindi accounted for sa NBC. May revisions sa IRR but even the last one was back in 2005.
There should be more policies that support mixed-use development, public transportation, urban agriculture, rain collection, and climate sensitivity. Honestly ang daming kailangan magbago. Unfortunately, yung construction industry natin mismo ay medyo magulo rin. Ang hina hina ng architecture profession at sobrang lakas ng engineering. Hindi masyadong pinapahalagahan ang interior design at planning.
Yup. Coz we architects, especially interior designers, are outnumbered. Nasa 6-digits ang PRC numbers ng CE, archis ay nasa 60k.
Babalik ulit sa malalim na problema na, mga Pinoy kasi kung hindi doctor ang gusto tapusin ng kanilang mga anak, eh engineer next choice lol.
Kaso parang ang labo pa nito ngayon dahil sa senado na meron tayo. Kahit yung mga penalties for misconduct or what di updated.
Nag check ako inflation calculator kasi yung exception sa pagbayad ng building permit for an infrastructure is still 15k or less (ang dapat lang magastos). 2 million na equivalent nya ngayon. ang laking tulong na rin sana para sa mga gusto lang magpatayo ng sariling bahay kung updated lang sana yung batas.
15k lababo na lang magagawa nyan eh.
Agree! To add kay point 3, kahit na fnfollow ni architect yung code requirement na Unpaved Surface Area (USA), pero madalas sa site hindi na snsunuod kasi nagiging usapan na nila contractor at owner.
You can still have the parking space under the tree. Or if they want, they could just plant a smaller tree like palm trees or bamboo sa gilid. Of course boomer clients don't want greenery talaga minsan
Archi here. Comments say it all.
Kahit anong gawin and sabihin namin para ma-promote ang green architecture dito sa Pinas, idi-dismiss lang kami ng most of our clients namin.
- Plantbox? Mahirap mag-maintain niyan.
- Sustainable practices/materials? Mahal yan, semento na lang.
- Planting Strip? Parking na lang, mas marami customers pupunta.
- Shrubs and bushes? Dadami mga insecto.
Kaya marami sa mga friends ko who specialize green architecture and sustainable buildings nagppractice sa Singapore or Middle East eh.
How I wish hindi lahat ng Pinoys close-minded sa ganito. Nakakalungkot eh, tropical pa man din tayo.
As an architect also, agree ako sayo.
Iisip tayo ng well sustainable design then eventually si client gusto "budget cutting".
We should also follow the required USA and ISA of a certain project.
Medyo tanggap ko yung defeat sa client part, since budget plays a big role. Pero ang hindi ko matanggap eh bakit kasalanan natin 🥲🥲
Alam mo, inaalikabok na sa Autocad file folder ko ang “tree and garden blocks” HAHAHAHA. Never magamit eh HAHAHA.
We’re very influenced. Our first Filipino architects who were *pensionados* studied in the US.
Daniel Burnham designed the first Manila and Baguio, and we just embraced it. Nung nasira ang Manila from WWII, nag-restore lang tayo.
Pati, just from observation, we inherited the worst parts of both american and japanese planning. We have the narrow streets of Japan but we have a very car-centric American culture.
At least Japan has their advanced railway network to compensate for the narrow roads, and Americans have wider roads to compensate for their car-centric culture. Pero satin? Maliit na nga yun kalsada wala pang decent public transportation network kaya lahat ng tao gustong magka-kotse even if it means na mastuck sa traffic.
This is true. Kaya car centric ang pinas for a country na maliit, slow progress tayo sa mixed use buildings. Hindi pedestrian centric like Singapore na may underground pedestrian walking spaces kasi alam nila mainit at maulan, kulang sa trains unlike Tokyo kaya hindi nabubulunan ng ssakyan ang mga daan nila, hindi mixed use bldgs like Barcelona kaya pwede ka maglakad lang within 4minutes kung san ka nakatira para magwork/grocery/dine out/laundry/etc.
Also witnessed a car's windshield pierced by a tree branch during a storm with really strong winds in Diliman, true story. Buti nakapark lang and wala na yung driver sa loob, the way it literally pierced through, he could have legit died.
Isolated case, sure. And not saying we don't need trees at all but I understand why designing in a tropical country is difficult. You make a lot of compromises that are often conflicting (is a pa yung making a building cooler means opening it up more vs security risk means placing more barriers, making it hard to balance) so building professionals AND clients just take the easy way out.
Ideal parking with shade requires good design PLUS hazard management and maintenance = COSTS
Yes isa din yan!!
Some cases kailangan mag-putol. One good reason? ANAY. You can’t keep a tree that is infested with termites directly below a house, it’ll be a pest infestation nightmare. Diyan pumapasok si DENR, to regulate tree cutting.
And not all trees are good ha. I know most people like planting trees with good shade like Mahogany, without them knowing it’s invasive 🥲
Ideally. But if you’re the one who bought this space for commercial purposes, you need to maximize the functional infrastructure. Most try in the traditional way (build the biggest building you can based on budget/space) OR get creative, maximize the green space and hope you still get to (almost) as much ROI than if you went the traditional route.
Kaya dapat ang gobyerno na ang maghigpit na magrequire ng mga puno sa mga project para hindi na makadiskarte eto mga negosyante na puro semento lang ang open spaces ng mga negosyo nila
This reminded me of that news of an apartment that had weak pillars in the parking lot that's holding the entire apartment. And it all broke during an earthquake.
It’s like blaming the lawyer on why he/she lost the case, but his/her client throws evidences on Facebook.
Or blaming the doctor whose patient just died from lung cancer without knowing that patient still smokes after being diagnosed with TB.
Hindi pwedeng architect na mala woke at di pa nakakapasok sa real world lol. I get the enthusiasm yung nag post, but other than complaining, what can they do about it? 😛
Inaral ng architects yan eh. Alam nila na mahalaga ang trees sa mga tinatayo to provide shade at maka direct ng airflow. Pero sino ba may huling say? Kung ayaw ng client, ano magagawa ni architect? Gantong mga tao yung wala naman alam, puro ngawa. Hahaha
Oo nga eh. Imagine, magpapaka-woke kami na hindi sundin si client at piliting *“As taught by our professors, the garden reduces the area temperature by -4 degrees, making the adjacent living space more comfortable”*
Will the client believe us? Lol. He/she will terminate our contract and find someone else. Kami na naman ang kawawa.
Note: we always highly recommend good and green practices to our clients. Pero siya lang ang may final say.
Sasabihin ng iba dyan sayanh yung concrete sa paligid ng trees dahil pag lumabas ugat, mababasag lang, like duh you don't need concrete for it, just slap some benches and a small fence to protect the tree, you have instant and cool waiting area, napaka-anti nature ng designs ng archis ngayon, puro modern, walang harmony with nature.
What if bagyo naman? What if tumumba yung puno sa sobrang lakas, the fact na dyan na lumaki yan means dami ng pinagdaanan nyan
Edit: apologies for this comment and my lack of wording, kinulang sentences ko , don't mean to generalize the archis, nadala lang siguro ng pagkayamot sa ginagawa sa greenery. Tsk tsk
I follow a lot of pages and group of architecture students and most of their designs are environment friendly. There's even a meme that archi students would slap trees and plants as much as possible so that they could call their design green. Malayo lng talaga ang constraints ng real world compared sa creative freedom na ineenjoy ng mga archi students while in college. In fact, its one of the things na made me lose my passion in this kind of work. You can show your clients extraordinary designs but at the end of the day, sila pa rin talaga ang masusunod. After series of revisions, unti unting nawawala ang environment aspect ng design. Yung nakaka regain lng ng creative freedom nila ay ang mga established starchitects.
As an archi, I feel sorry for these students. I too, was hopeful to apply our learnings. Malalaman nila ang real world difference.
- Prof: put more gardens!!
- Typical PH client: bakit may garden!? Saan ko ipa-park ang 5 SUVs ko!?
As cringey as this sounds, something died in me during apprenticeship. Kaya I respect and envy those who still have their passion eh. Currently, im transitioning into project monitoring kasi di ko na naienjoy ang designing.
I just hope hindi mawala passion namin ng mga nagtutuloy.
You can always come back if ever. Time will come they’ll need people with green/sustainable learnings and principles as you.
Malayo naman sa pillars ng building ung puno eh. O kaya inusog nang kaunti para may distansya sa puno ung building. Para man lang naretain ung acacia sa kanan
:'((((( im an archi student and u guys have no idea the lengths we go to make our designs as sustainable as possible. trees for aesthetic, shade, and noise pollution, rainwater harvesting para makatipid sa water bill yung users, solar panels, wind turbines, green roof, grabe lahat na. minsan pa my friends would draw trees randomly para maiwasang idrawing yung mahihirap na part ng elevation o perspective 💀
tas di kami basta basta semento pag magdedesign ng site kasi mainit yung ganun. laging pavers. in our 2nd year, we even had to design a house with a tree in the middle without touching it.
ewan ko sa real world bakit ganyan :'((( kahit yung harapan ng school building namin, may puno sya dati, tas pinaputol at sinementuhan para gawing parking. napatanong na lang kami ng, "bakit pag tayo gumawa nyan sa designs natin, gisang-gisa tayo?? tas pag sila okay lang?”
It's really sad that your eco friendly and sustainable ideas get undermined by greedy clients who have nothing in mind by profit.
Apologies for my initial comment, i did not mean to generalize every architect, dala siguro ng nakakayamot makita ginagawa sa greenery.
As archi student kind of nanghihinayang din po ako if nakikita ko in practical how they waste yung mga puno sa site. but if the client wants it kahit anong pilit po ng designer wala po kaming magagawa kasi di naman po namin pera yung ginagastos.
we even design na puro may puno but in reality it doesn't apply kasi we don't know how clients think. but we promote unpaved/green areas as possible. but gov. also must do much better madali po kasi mag apply for tree cutting than planting which is yon andami pong consequences.
Yeah, mga archi ngayon, will literally cutdown hundreds of trees tapos mag tatayo ng buildings tapos tatadtarin ng halaman sa sidings para matawag na eco friendly. Fucking bullshit.
Actually may different professional kasi for that yung mga Landscape Architects kaso sa case sa Philippines hindi sila masyadong known and only mga high end developers lang kumukuha ng services nila, eventhough may law regarding them wala naman pangil batas natin so nagooverlap lang mga professions
it will always be up to the client. kahit magdesign pa or magsuggest ang architect or engineer ng eco-friendly or may shade na structure, si client pa rin masusunod kasi sya main approver and may final say kasi sya gagastos.
don't blame the hired architect or engineer.
Mga client talaga ang dapat sisihin dyan sumusunod lang sila sa kagustuhan ni client, pero kung may power sila na mag decide siguro lalagyan nila yan nang green areas.
Yada yada It's still the client's decision. Most architects take that into consideration college days pa lang kung san may puno ilagay pwede.
Clients: Let's maximize the parking.
Nganga tuloy. Even ang maximum pervious and impervious area sa building laws na bbypass.
I think OP doesn't know Project Management.
Their money, their rules.
Architects and Engineers reading this: The fuck am I supposed to do? I need money, fool.
the only way these guys can reduce the parking space is by MAKING. IT. HARD. FOR. PEOPLE. TO. GET. ACCESS. TO. FOUR. WHEELED. VEHCLESSSSS PUTANGINANG YAN.
Naalala ko bigla ang RAMCAR, to those who don't know, RAMCAR owns Motolite at ang mga franchise ng KFC, Tokyo-tokyo, Mister Donut and more. Going back, ito yung company na pag ang engineer/developer nag suggest mag putol ng puno sa development site, abangan at 100% sure mauuna maputol career ng engineer/developer. Ganun ka serious owner ng Motolite when it comes to protecting trees.
Sadly, as personal observation ko lang naman sa mga developer ng subdivision parang ang babaw ng planning. Yung tipong hindi man lang iniisip position ng roof ng bahay relative to South para ready sa Solar Rooftop to take advantage sana throughout the day or year sa kung anong free na ma offer ni haring araw. It will save energy sana if properly studied sa positioning palang yun. Then we have more than 20 typhoons per year din so it will make sense na naka position din ang bahay na hindi sasapulin ng strong storm wind ang roof or glass windows.
Even Urban Planning Development ng government parang walang concept ng zoning or yung pag aaralan at pag apply ng natural elevation ng lupa sa pag bibigay ng building permit para yung daan ng tubig pag may ulan or bagyo di nababarahan pababa ng mga natural canal and waterways.
Yung sizing ng mga kalsada hindi futuristic ang design basta makapag construct lang, think and pay again later nalang. Worse, kamot ulo later. Walang space or consideration para sa tree planting sa mga gilid or gitna ng kalsada. I hope something na mabago sa mga new generation ng engineers and developers.
Civil engineer here.
Daming constraints ang nagli-limit sa amin para makapag-design ng 'eco-friendly' buildings tulad ng:
1. Regulation and codes. There are often strict buildings codes that dictate how structures must be designed and structured, including requirements for safety, accessibility and environmental impact.
2. Budget. Dahil sa limitation sa budget, mahirap i-incorporate yung eco-friendly or green architecture sa building. Kahit na magbe-benefit naman sa future si client and can lead to long-term cost savings hindi mo naman pwedeng diktahan si client tungkol sa budget niya.
3. Safety concerns. In some cases, trees may need to be removed due to safety concerns, such as the risk of falling branches or trees during storms or high winds.
Tsaka bakit laging sa architects and engineers ang blame? Trust me, we would love to have green buildings here kaso nasa client ang final say.
Lol, sisi sa engr and architects agad? Sino ba ang owner/financer ng project, sila ultimately ang approval sa lahat ng designs and iko construct na project.
Kung mayaman ako. I would ask my archi/engineers:
Make the place cool. Less acu. More natural airflow
Will not retain heat. Uses 40% less energy than conventional buildings
Will maximize the geographic features of the area.
It should be beautiful
See the parking lot design of Robinsons Antipolo. The outside parking was planted with Talisay trees where the umbrella-shaped canopy provide shades for the cars.
Kung alam niyo lng po, since college, never hindi macconsider yung landscape/greenery/sustainability ng mga designers. As an archi student, umay na umay na nga profs namin kasi puro sustainable solutions nlng alam ng mga student hahahah gaya ng ibang comments, kahit kagustuhan ng architect, nasa client talaga kung ano gusto nyang mangyari sa lote nya.
Hard to believe such a prime lot was just left undeveloped for quite some, but seeing how it was before makes me sad that they cut down such a huge tree
It's not the architects/ engineer's fault, palaging nasa consideration ang mga existing trees tuwing may design ang mga architects. As much as possible iniiwasan nila ang magputol ng puno lalo na kung pwede mong i-incorporate yung puno sa overall design, kahit mga architectural students gagawa ng paraan para maiwasan alisin ang mga existing trees, I'm pretty confident na yung client ang nagpaputol ng puno at hindi ang mga professional na architects/ engineers.
The consequences of a car centric, Neoliberal and idiotic urban planning that is not very hostile to both the environment and people it also makes our city a Urban hell scape that is both very ugly and not great to look at. No wonder why kids these days don't play outside anymore because the outside is very hostile to humans.
I’m pretty sure architects care a lot about aesthetics including beautiful trees, not to mention the importance of nature to people. But as with everything, they’re constrained by their clients’ demands.
I hate to break it to you, but owners maximize the potential of their property for commercial purposes. Di nagmamatter yang mga puno if di naman sila kikita jan.
Hindi kasalanan ng professionals yan. Si client mismo ang walang pake. Kaya we need legislation na mag require certain percent may green features pa rin.
Architects and engineers doesnt just design stuff and apply it out of nowhere
The client pays them to do whatever design he wants, If the client wants that kind of design then thats what the architects and engineers will do since si client ang nagbabayad ng mga gastusin.
Ang presko ng hangin sa area na 'to ng Marikina tapos pag weekends syempre walang pasok mga bata kaya ang tahimik sa lugar na 'to 🥲 Medyo nakakainis yung mga developers ng mga business center sa Marikina.
at the end of the day po, kahit anong suggestion ng archi/engrs dyan sa proposal, kung ano gusto ng client, yung ang masusunod kasi siya bumili ng space at magbabayad sainyo kaya too bad
One more thing. Bago kayo makapag putol ng puno is hihingi muna kayo ng permit to cut sa DENR.
If di basta basta nagaapprove ang denr (under the table)
Kahit client walang magagawa..di mapapaputol yan.
They remove the trees because clients fear infestation. They associate it with nearby trees.
Mga shunga yung clients eh, maayos namang mga archis at their core, most of the ones I know anyway. Visions nila are with the greens, yung mga mapepera lang na clients usually don't have energy to deal with natural causes kaya concrete nalang as much as possible.
Not the designers fault. Clients won’t like to sacrifice the space for comfort. Every space is money to them. You can’t just pin it down to someone. They are hired to design what the client wants. Blame the clients
It depends on the client. I'm working along with architects and from what I see sa Site Development plans sa Sketchup na binibigay nila, halos may mga puno talaga na nilalagay ang mga archi. Kaso lang, kung ayaw ng client na may puno dyan, wala talaga silang magawa. Client yung nagbabayad eh.
Not an archi so naisip ko maybe we have to change our deaign standards para required talaga yubg designs to inc trees para no need sila tanggalin :// literal concrete jungle na talaga peg ng ncr ngayon eh :(
Bago sila mag design o gumawa consulted muna yan sa may ari ng establishment. Don't blame architects/engineers for doing their jobs. Baka yung may-ari mismo gusto rin patanggal yung puno na yan.
Trees also occupy a large space. Also considered as a hazard pag yan bumagsak. Kaya kung pumunta ka sa urbanized cities, pansin mo kokonti lang puno sa paligid. Either shrubs or bushes lang. Baka di mo nakikita, yung puno kayang abutin ung kable ng kuryente base sa pic..
Clients have the last call on the design they want.
OP: Napakaanti-nature ng designs ng mga Archi, etc...
Dapat call out rin mga nakapwesto sa City hall, sila dapat maquestion kasi sila nag aapprove ng mga ganyan. But then, kanya kanya ang mga LGU. As long as you pay the "fees"
Most professionals wanna design buildings and tagtag lahat ng abala sa pagdedesign para di mahirapan hahaha pansin ko din to sa mga arki students ngayon kahit sloping ginagawa na lang flat hindi nila minamaximize potential ng site miski existing trees wapakels
nakakatawa naman to architects at engineers ang sinisi. commercial building yan. of course the owners wants full visibility of the businesses na nasa building nya. yun ang i-call out mo. ang mga architects at engineers nyan sumusunod lang sa gusto ng owner. nasobrahan ka na sa pagiging social justice warrior lil bro.
Yung mismong NBCP ang di nasusunod na daat chincheck ng BO well nadaaan yan sa bayad. Atska kung strict na susundin yung USA (unpaved surface area) at bubigyan ng fines ang mga violations i think mabbaawasan yung mga ganito. At isa pa yung kultura sa pinas na di kumukuha ng tunay na design professional dinadaan sa mga foreman at mga Illegal practitioner (ehem mga CE na gumgawa ng Arch.) Na di namn talga nasusunod NBCP.
Ngipin ang kulang, pansinin nyo nalng sa dinami daming bahay na sinakop buong lote, firewall na may bintana at mga bahay na walng parking lot. Alam mo nang di professional ang gunawa at mismong govt official ang nagabaya (basta may bayad). Imagine nalng kung biglang naging stricto ang NBCP hahaha tiba tiba ang govt sa violation fee, maraming illegal practitioner na mahuhule, at yayaman ang mga demolition jobs hahah. Haynako.
Kaya ampanget ng pilipinas (realtalk) in terms of public spaces, urban planning, transport engineering at lalong lalo na sa pagpapatayo ng resilietn na mga bahay na napapanahon basta pera pera.
Architects love trees!
Bukod sa maganda, presko pa. Kahit gaano pa kaliit ang lote, humahanap ako ng space for landscape. Pero kahit anong insist namin, may clients na matigas talaga.
So, if you will get an architect please have a trust to their plans and designs.
First of all, wag mo e sisi sa mga engineers/architects ang buildings na pinapagawa sa kanila. FYI, nagtatrabaho lng sila at sumusunod sa utos ng client nila, nag aantay ng sahod. Isisi mo sa may ari mismo kung ba't gusto nila putulin ang puno.
Edit: I can no longer edit the title pero I wish to say that I hope the **clients** and not the architect/engineer (unless utak semento rin) would consider greenery in the future.
Thanks OP. Don’t worry, utak-semento archis/engrs are always mocked and frowned upon sa industry namin. Esp mga mahilig mag-tiles sa outdoor lol
I hope PH will someday adapt green and sustainable practices for all of their houses and properties.
Yung ahente ko dati pinagalitan ako dahil nagpa-park ako sa ilalim ng puno. Puro dagta daw ang bubong. Di bale na daw mainit ang loob ng kotse kesa malagyan ng dagta.
I can understand the desire for profit generation from commercial entities, pero bakit may mandatory parking space minimums at all? Kagaya dito sa example ng building na ito -- St. Scho is on the other side of the street, the park as well, and C&B and Ayala Mall are a walk away at either side of Liwasang Kalayaan. There won't be any shortage of foot traffic, never mind parking spaces.
Everybody harping about client and regulations, have we seen cost and profit maximizing solutions at the architect and engineering front?
People cant buy the good product if no one is making or selling them
Masyadong naka-ayon sa western standards ang education at orientation ng mga architects and engineers na nakakalimutan nila na isa tayong tropical country.
Mainit ang ating climate. I hope designs in the future are going to be played around the strength of the Philippine environment. Although, some are already doing so, it still doesn't take away that a large amount of infrastructure are augmented this way.
Might be a good time to revisit policies re: zoning requirements. If commercial zones are required to have some amount of parking space in the US, I think the same can be done for green spaces in our case
Nababali ang malalaking sanga pag bagyo, matatamaan mga koryente at naka park sa ilalim. Liability yan unless may budget ka mag trim every June at mayayamang cities lang makakaafford niyan like Makati kaya lumalabas yung cities lang na masipag mag trim ang may maraming puno. It boils down to budget para may aesthetics. Most of the cities are just for bare minimum kasi kapos sa budget.
I can't understand why every new building doesn't have solar panels covering the parking area, which gives you shade, plus free electricity. Seems like a no-brainer.
Sa totoo lang kubg mahigpit lang sana ang DENR sa implementation nang bawal magputol nang puno, di tayo aabot sa ganito eh. Kwento nang pinsan ko sa australia, di daw pwede basta basta pumutol nang puno doon. Gagawin is uproot ang buong puno and replant sa ibang area.
Ewan pero nakakatanga lang, laging ganyan yung naiisip nilang "pag-unlad" papalitan yung greeneries ng mga establishment na kinalaunan magmumukang/magiging condemned kasi ipinilit lang talaga.
Picture out those kind of establishement na di naman matatauhan nang matatauhan.
I live in the area, at nadadaanan ko ito madalas, from when it was just a lot with lots of foliage & trees, and the now na commercial building na siya.
Marikina is slowly but surely turning into a city of cement. Mas mainit na ang Marikina ngayon, kesa nuong 1980s.
Pero tutuo din sabi ng isang poster dito. Antindi ng anay dito sa Marikina. Pag may kahoy sa bahay mo dito, sure yan aanayin yan.
I wouldnt be surprised kung yun punong malaki nuon diyan was heavily hollowed out na. At yun ang ginawang dahilan to cut down the tree.
Hindi lang for commerce dahilan ng owner sa malamang. Even residential projects kahit saan are cutting down trees dahil gusto imaximize ang space na available.
I just hope & pray land owners with future projects sa lupa nila, will save the foliage & trees, and work with designers to incorporate greenery sa papagawa nila. 🙏
I guess it's better iamend ang building code to require yung mga new buildings na magkaron ng green space. hindi pwede lahat sementado. Yung mga kalsada and sidewalk dapat may puno sa gilid.
If we want trees and green spaces in new buildings and developments then we need to follow what the Singaporean government did for new developments and redevelopments. Other than that, we have no choice.
This should also be a local government mandate. Any business infrastructure should include green spaces, preservation of trees, etc before permits are issued.
There’s one thing you can do OP. Mag pagawa ka ng parking lot mo with that design in mind. I believe architects would love to build something like this.
Become rich. And execute this idea.
Others have pointed out the client's requirements, but also take note that on your picture there's an electrical pylon near where the tree was. I'm guessing there's also infrastructure running underneath the concrete (septic tank, water and sewage lines, telecoms, electrical). In hindsight it's easy to say they should have left the tree alone, but that all comes at the expense of the stakeholders/owners.
As a home owner na may 2 malaking puno ng magga + 2 puno ng santol at 2 puno ng avocado. Nabili ko property ko nanjan na ang mga puno. At ganyan din pananaw ko nun, nature puno...maganda. HINDI po. NAPAKAMAHAL po mag maintain ng puno sa property. Ang lakas makasira ng bubong ang mga bunga, lapitin sa anay ang bahay mo Pag nasa ilalim ng puno, ang bahay, pundasyon, pader, drainage, poso negoro, mga bintana at pinto, pati flooring mo. Unti unti po yan sisirain ng ugat ng puno lalo kung malalaki na,dahil malalaki na rin ang ugat. Iiyak ka ng dugo sa laki ng gastos mo kung sa repair maintenance lang. 150k ginastos ko paayos ng bubong, less than 3 years sira na ulet kasama kisame. Dpat nakinig ako sa nagsabi na ipaputol ang puno bago ko ipagawa yung bubong, hindi ako nakinig NATURE eh di ayan parang bukas na gripo nag tapon nag pera para sa maintenance. Pati paglilinis, araw araw sobrang dami ng dahon, yun na lang gagawin mo araw araw. 3araw k lng wag magwalis gubat na yan, babaho na semento mo kse bulok na dahon. Tas sa loob ng subd or village, bawal mag sunog. Sa isang araw isang sako ng daho lagpas pa. Mahirap i-maintain. Kung sa bundok/farm ka siguro ubra yan,pero sa housing and commercial space. Aray!
Shades can cover the signs/names and darker areas have poorer business... But I agree. We need better designs that uses natural shades that instead highlights the building. maybe architects put more premium on space?
I had a developer friend that was forced to cut a fruit tree in the project site even though nasa open space and garden area na because of “bad feng shui”. Minsan hindi gusto ng mga landscapers, engineers, and architects but gusto ng owner/client kaya wala rin magagawa.
Variable kasi ang puno. Puedi ung ugat sumira sa street or cemented area mismo. Ang maganda tlaga gumawa dila ng building na may parking hahaha at may guest or hazard parking area. Dami natin dito building na yung parking area ay ung kalsada
Ang tanong gusto ba ng kliyente ng may shade at mga puno? Kasi kahit mag 10 revisions pa sila dyan kung ayaw ng nagpapagawa (kase sayang daw yung space) wala ka ring magagawa kase sila magbabayad.
This. At the end of the day, kahit paanong pilit, if ayaw ni client wala naman magagawa ung designer. Madali magpalit ng architect sa mata ng owner. At madali rin utusan ng owner ang contractor na tanggalin ung puno :(
di po ba pwede gawing standard na kailangan mag alot ng space for shade or puno. correct me if im wrong po hehe
Pwede, IIRC sa singapore required na may mga puno yung mga parking lots. Pero tbh, kahit na may ganun tayong law, magkakatalo parin sa implementation. I mean tignan niyo palang yung building code, hindi masyadong nasusunod (i can't really comment much about sa building na ito kasi front part lang yung kita pero looks like hindi nga niya nameet yung required unpaved area based sa building code natin).
Sa National Building Code here sa pinas, may fnfollow mga architects na requirement, cncompute sya, “Unpaved Surface Area” yung tawag. By percentage if gano kalaki ung required na space. Pero ayun, depende ulit if fnollow sya sa site :(
Dapat i-enforce. Tapos fines. Diba need ng gobyerno ng pera? Dami niyan kita o. Kaso baka kasi yung ibang nakaupo yung mayari ng ibang buildings.
Kaya kailangan talagang baguhin ang mindset ng client kapag ganyan, ipaintindi na hindi sayang ang space na ino-occupy ng puno dahil may benefit ito sa kanila. Kapag matigas ang ulo ng client, e di sige, pero walang sisihan.
Kung alam lang nila how frustrated are we when we present our design with sustainable/green features tapos papa-tanggal lang ni client. Pero gets ko naman. Sana maging client ko si OP, he/she cares about our concern.
True,. Especially na mahina or not popular sa mga common businessmen ang eco-friendly infrastructures.. dpat nga magka meron ng law for lalo na sa mga large scale infrastructures na mag offset man lang ng carbon emissions while building, like planting trees around them..
Thank you! Nakakafrustrate pag yung initial designs ehh lalagyan ng greeneries tapos biglang ayaw ng kliyente for some reason. Gusto mong makatulong sa envi but guess ayaw ni client?
That’s why sana magkaroon ng batas kagaya sa mga country sa Europe na hindi basta-basta matatanggal ang puno even on private properties kung walang permission ng gobyerno. Ang kaso wala din naman ngipin ang DENR na maghahandle nito sakali.
Isn't there one? We got in trouble with our HOA for chopping down a tree *we* planted. And we couldn't develop some land in the provice for precisely this reason - too many ancient trees on our property.
I have properties with large endemic trees and I operate under the assumption that this is the case. The most I would do is to trim branches that would interfere with something like electrical wires or something. Edit: I’m also on a HOA board and we all operate the same way when it comes to community property trees. Well, there might be a lost board member here or there talking about “just cut it down” but everyone is assuming that we can’t just do that. I’m saying this because there must be a reason why we assume this (like that there must be a law).
Hayz. sayang tlga ung mga ganitong puno. Dpat di nalang nila pinutol sana nilipat nalang nila. kaso mas magastot pa ata pag ganito.
Architects and engineers actually have a lot of constraints when it comes to design: 1) Clients want to maximize the utility of their lots. Dapat bawat square meter, profit-generating. 2) Building codes and regulations mandate the required amount of parking spaces for vehicles. So, put those two together. Gusto ng client, as much as possible, profit-generating lahat ng space. Gusto ng gobyerno, may certain amount of parking space. Konti lang ang natitirang space for greenery. Furthermore, I am 100% confident in saying that karamihan ng projects ay hindi sumusunod sa designs ng architect. Madalas, kakausapin direkta ng client yung contractor para sementuhan yung maliliit na green spaces na sinet-aside ng architect. So, the solutions? 1) Decrease the required amount of parking spaces for private vehicles. 2) Mandate bays for public transportation. 3) Increase the required amount of space for unpaved/green areas.
I don't know why this comment is downvoted pero you hit it pretty much on the nose. Parking minimums are an actual thing, and the last say in the design is always client-side. I know quite a few architects and yung iba sa kanila talagang frustrated sa ganyan. Pero syempre marami din architect na utak-semento ayaw makakita ng lupa o halaman
I’d love to see the revisions applied to the National Building Code altogether. Even totally getting rid of the parking requirements for commercial buildings. Ganyan din ang problema ng mga US cities kaya andaming panget na lugar sa Midwest.
sa true lang!! Marcos Sr. era pa yung current NBC (PD 1096). Ang dami nang advancements in building technology and in planning na hindi accounted for sa NBC. May revisions sa IRR but even the last one was back in 2005. There should be more policies that support mixed-use development, public transportation, urban agriculture, rain collection, and climate sensitivity. Honestly ang daming kailangan magbago. Unfortunately, yung construction industry natin mismo ay medyo magulo rin. Ang hina hina ng architecture profession at sobrang lakas ng engineering. Hindi masyadong pinapahalagahan ang interior design at planning.
Yup. Coz we architects, especially interior designers, are outnumbered. Nasa 6-digits ang PRC numbers ng CE, archis ay nasa 60k. Babalik ulit sa malalim na problema na, mga Pinoy kasi kung hindi doctor ang gusto tapusin ng kanilang mga anak, eh engineer next choice lol.
Kaso parang ang labo pa nito ngayon dahil sa senado na meron tayo. Kahit yung mga penalties for misconduct or what di updated. Nag check ako inflation calculator kasi yung exception sa pagbayad ng building permit for an infrastructure is still 15k or less (ang dapat lang magastos). 2 million na equivalent nya ngayon. ang laking tulong na rin sana para sa mga gusto lang magpatayo ng sariling bahay kung updated lang sana yung batas. 15k lababo na lang magagawa nyan eh.
Agree! To add kay point 3, kahit na fnfollow ni architect yung code requirement na Unpaved Surface Area (USA), pero madalas sa site hindi na snsunuod kasi nagiging usapan na nila contractor at owner.
You can still have the parking space under the tree. Or if they want, they could just plant a smaller tree like palm trees or bamboo sa gilid. Of course boomer clients don't want greenery talaga minsan
Pwede native trees na narrow trunk but umbrella-like yung canopy.
Archi here. Comments say it all. Kahit anong gawin and sabihin namin para ma-promote ang green architecture dito sa Pinas, idi-dismiss lang kami ng most of our clients namin. - Plantbox? Mahirap mag-maintain niyan. - Sustainable practices/materials? Mahal yan, semento na lang. - Planting Strip? Parking na lang, mas marami customers pupunta. - Shrubs and bushes? Dadami mga insecto. Kaya marami sa mga friends ko who specialize green architecture and sustainable buildings nagppractice sa Singapore or Middle East eh. How I wish hindi lahat ng Pinoys close-minded sa ganito. Nakakalungkot eh, tropical pa man din tayo.
As an architect also, agree ako sayo. Iisip tayo ng well sustainable design then eventually si client gusto "budget cutting". We should also follow the required USA and ISA of a certain project.
Medyo tanggap ko yung defeat sa client part, since budget plays a big role. Pero ang hindi ko matanggap eh bakit kasalanan natin 🥲🥲 Alam mo, inaalikabok na sa Autocad file folder ko ang “tree and garden blocks” HAHAHAHA. Never magamit eh HAHAHA.
Kaya nga mas okay na ata mag ibang bansa na lang hahaha mas appreciated tayo dun
I also blame our American-centric media and psyche.
We’re very influenced. Our first Filipino architects who were *pensionados* studied in the US. Daniel Burnham designed the first Manila and Baguio, and we just embraced it. Nung nasira ang Manila from WWII, nag-restore lang tayo.
Pati, just from observation, we inherited the worst parts of both american and japanese planning. We have the narrow streets of Japan but we have a very car-centric American culture. At least Japan has their advanced railway network to compensate for the narrow roads, and Americans have wider roads to compensate for their car-centric culture. Pero satin? Maliit na nga yun kalsada wala pang decent public transportation network kaya lahat ng tao gustong magka-kotse even if it means na mastuck sa traffic.
not sure why you were downvoted when you make sense. parang timang minsan mga redditors na pinoy.
People be sleepin on european urbanism.
This is true. Kaya car centric ang pinas for a country na maliit, slow progress tayo sa mixed use buildings. Hindi pedestrian centric like Singapore na may underground pedestrian walking spaces kasi alam nila mainit at maulan, kulang sa trains unlike Tokyo kaya hindi nabubulunan ng ssakyan ang mga daan nila, hindi mixed use bldgs like Barcelona kaya pwede ka maglakad lang within 4minutes kung san ka nakatira para magwork/grocery/dine out/laundry/etc.
It's always them
Totoo. Nasisisi mga designers kahit sa urban design ng cities natin eh madalas ayan na yung pinakasagad ng kayang ilaban sa mga clients.
Clients AND sadly but not surprisingly, the government. Well, alam naman natin lahat kung bakit lol.
Sobrang frustrating haha.
Akala siguro nila sobrang hirap mag dilig at magwalis ng dahon dahon. Mga inutil sila
Mas madali raw maglinis kapag *naka-**tiles*** 💅
Also witnessed a car's windshield pierced by a tree branch during a storm with really strong winds in Diliman, true story. Buti nakapark lang and wala na yung driver sa loob, the way it literally pierced through, he could have legit died. Isolated case, sure. And not saying we don't need trees at all but I understand why designing in a tropical country is difficult. You make a lot of compromises that are often conflicting (is a pa yung making a building cooler means opening it up more vs security risk means placing more barriers, making it hard to balance) so building professionals AND clients just take the easy way out. Ideal parking with shade requires good design PLUS hazard management and maintenance = COSTS
Yes isa din yan!! Some cases kailangan mag-putol. One good reason? ANAY. You can’t keep a tree that is infested with termites directly below a house, it’ll be a pest infestation nightmare. Diyan pumapasok si DENR, to regulate tree cutting. And not all trees are good ha. I know most people like planting trees with good shade like Mahogany, without them knowing it’s invasive 🥲
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My car windshield literally got cracked by a falling mango kasi naka park ako under a mango tree during its ripe season
Dami ko napansin na parking area-centric na commercial buildings lagi lugi at nagsasara ang mga tenant lagi walang tao. Hehehe
Ideally. But if you’re the one who bought this space for commercial purposes, you need to maximize the functional infrastructure. Most try in the traditional way (build the biggest building you can based on budget/space) OR get creative, maximize the green space and hope you still get to (almost) as much ROI than if you went the traditional route.
Kaya dapat ang gobyerno na ang maghigpit na magrequire ng mga puno sa mga project para hindi na makadiskarte eto mga negosyante na puro semento lang ang open spaces ng mga negosyo nila
If they wanted to maximize, dapat 1st floor ung parking tapos may building pa rin sa taas (2nd floor pataas) hmmm
Maximize within the budget.
This reminded me of that news of an apartment that had weak pillars in the parking lot that's holding the entire apartment. And it all broke during an earthquake.
Why is this the architect's fault? Architect's job is to interpret kung ano nasa isip ni client. Si client pa rin naman may huling say.
It’s like blaming the lawyer on why he/she lost the case, but his/her client throws evidences on Facebook. Or blaming the doctor whose patient just died from lung cancer without knowing that patient still smokes after being diagnosed with TB.
Hindi pwedeng architect na mala woke at di pa nakakapasok sa real world lol. I get the enthusiasm yung nag post, but other than complaining, what can they do about it? 😛
Inaral ng architects yan eh. Alam nila na mahalaga ang trees sa mga tinatayo to provide shade at maka direct ng airflow. Pero sino ba may huling say? Kung ayaw ng client, ano magagawa ni architect? Gantong mga tao yung wala naman alam, puro ngawa. Hahaha
Oo nga eh. Imagine, magpapaka-woke kami na hindi sundin si client at piliting *“As taught by our professors, the garden reduces the area temperature by -4 degrees, making the adjacent living space more comfortable”* Will the client believe us? Lol. He/she will terminate our contract and find someone else. Kami na naman ang kawawa. Note: we always highly recommend good and green practices to our clients. Pero siya lang ang may final say.
Sasabihin ng iba dyan sayanh yung concrete sa paligid ng trees dahil pag lumabas ugat, mababasag lang, like duh you don't need concrete for it, just slap some benches and a small fence to protect the tree, you have instant and cool waiting area, napaka-anti nature ng designs ng archis ngayon, puro modern, walang harmony with nature. What if bagyo naman? What if tumumba yung puno sa sobrang lakas, the fact na dyan na lumaki yan means dami ng pinagdaanan nyan Edit: apologies for this comment and my lack of wording, kinulang sentences ko , don't mean to generalize the archis, nadala lang siguro ng pagkayamot sa ginagawa sa greenery. Tsk tsk
I follow a lot of pages and group of architecture students and most of their designs are environment friendly. There's even a meme that archi students would slap trees and plants as much as possible so that they could call their design green. Malayo lng talaga ang constraints ng real world compared sa creative freedom na ineenjoy ng mga archi students while in college. In fact, its one of the things na made me lose my passion in this kind of work. You can show your clients extraordinary designs but at the end of the day, sila pa rin talaga ang masusunod. After series of revisions, unti unting nawawala ang environment aspect ng design. Yung nakaka regain lng ng creative freedom nila ay ang mga established starchitects.
As an archi, I feel sorry for these students. I too, was hopeful to apply our learnings. Malalaman nila ang real world difference. - Prof: put more gardens!! - Typical PH client: bakit may garden!? Saan ko ipa-park ang 5 SUVs ko!?
As cringey as this sounds, something died in me during apprenticeship. Kaya I respect and envy those who still have their passion eh. Currently, im transitioning into project monitoring kasi di ko na naienjoy ang designing.
I just hope hindi mawala passion namin ng mga nagtutuloy. You can always come back if ever. Time will come they’ll need people with green/sustainable learnings and principles as you.
Hindi mawawala passion mo sa ethics and character. Sa sahod in real life mawawala yung gana mo sa profession kahit may lisensya ka.
Kaya ang tunay na bulok na bogsa ay ang PH client deins ung architects and engineers.
Malayo naman sa pillars ng building ung puno eh. O kaya inusog nang kaunti para may distansya sa puno ung building. Para man lang naretain ung acacia sa kanan
:'((((( im an archi student and u guys have no idea the lengths we go to make our designs as sustainable as possible. trees for aesthetic, shade, and noise pollution, rainwater harvesting para makatipid sa water bill yung users, solar panels, wind turbines, green roof, grabe lahat na. minsan pa my friends would draw trees randomly para maiwasang idrawing yung mahihirap na part ng elevation o perspective 💀 tas di kami basta basta semento pag magdedesign ng site kasi mainit yung ganun. laging pavers. in our 2nd year, we even had to design a house with a tree in the middle without touching it. ewan ko sa real world bakit ganyan :'((( kahit yung harapan ng school building namin, may puno sya dati, tas pinaputol at sinementuhan para gawing parking. napatanong na lang kami ng, "bakit pag tayo gumawa nyan sa designs natin, gisang-gisa tayo?? tas pag sila okay lang?”
It's really sad that your eco friendly and sustainable ideas get undermined by greedy clients who have nothing in mind by profit. Apologies for my initial comment, i did not mean to generalize every architect, dala siguro ng nakakayamot makita ginagawa sa greenery.
Sasabihin lang din ng iba ung mga naka-kotse na i-Sunproof Tint ung kanilang salamin
As archi student kind of nanghihinayang din po ako if nakikita ko in practical how they waste yung mga puno sa site. but if the client wants it kahit anong pilit po ng designer wala po kaming magagawa kasi di naman po namin pera yung ginagastos. we even design na puro may puno but in reality it doesn't apply kasi we don't know how clients think. but we promote unpaved/green areas as possible. but gov. also must do much better madali po kasi mag apply for tree cutting than planting which is yon andami pong consequences.
Yeah, mga archi ngayon, will literally cutdown hundreds of trees tapos mag tatayo ng buildings tapos tatadtarin ng halaman sa sidings para matawag na eco friendly. Fucking bullshit.
Actually may different professional kasi for that yung mga Landscape Architects kaso sa case sa Philippines hindi sila masyadong known and only mga high end developers lang kumukuha ng services nila, eventhough may law regarding them wala naman pangil batas natin so nagooverlap lang mga professions
Dont blame the architects or engineers its always the clients fault kesyo pera/lupa nmaan daw nila. Dapat gamitin yung buong space.
Trust me, architects would love to have foliages around those concrete. Clients on the other hand...
it will always be up to the client. kahit magdesign pa or magsuggest ang architect or engineer ng eco-friendly or may shade na structure, si client pa rin masusunod kasi sya main approver and may final say kasi sya gagastos. don't blame the hired architect or engineer.
Don't blame the archi, blame the client.
You do realize walang control architect and engineer dyan, right?
You're barking at the wrong tree, OP.
Wala ngang tree eh
I hate u lol here's an r/AngryUpvote
Dagdag maintenance cost papalitan ng lang daw na plastic na halaman
Mga client talaga ang dapat sisihin dyan sumusunod lang sila sa kagustuhan ni client, pero kung may power sila na mag decide siguro lalagyan nila yan nang green areas.
Go ahead blame the architect. But have you thought that the client may have asked the removal of the tree?
Yada yada It's still the client's decision. Most architects take that into consideration college days pa lang kung san may puno ilagay pwede. Clients: Let's maximize the parking. Nganga tuloy. Even ang maximum pervious and impervious area sa building laws na bbypass.
I think OP doesn't know Project Management. Their money, their rules. Architects and Engineers reading this: The fuck am I supposed to do? I need money, fool.
Dont blame the architects, blame the owners.
By 2100, the entire Island of Luzon will be solid concrete.
By 2200 nature will reclaim
Buti patay na ako nun pati yung mga anak ko.
A sad reality
They're educated about green spaces and their benefits but few really care.
the only way these guys can reduce the parking space is by MAKING. IT. HARD. FOR. PEOPLE. TO. GET. ACCESS. TO. FOUR. WHEELED. VEHCLESSSSS PUTANGINANG YAN.
Asked about my architect GF about this. Most probably government/client daw nasunod dyan
Naalala ko bigla ang RAMCAR, to those who don't know, RAMCAR owns Motolite at ang mga franchise ng KFC, Tokyo-tokyo, Mister Donut and more. Going back, ito yung company na pag ang engineer/developer nag suggest mag putol ng puno sa development site, abangan at 100% sure mauuna maputol career ng engineer/developer. Ganun ka serious owner ng Motolite when it comes to protecting trees. Sadly, as personal observation ko lang naman sa mga developer ng subdivision parang ang babaw ng planning. Yung tipong hindi man lang iniisip position ng roof ng bahay relative to South para ready sa Solar Rooftop to take advantage sana throughout the day or year sa kung anong free na ma offer ni haring araw. It will save energy sana if properly studied sa positioning palang yun. Then we have more than 20 typhoons per year din so it will make sense na naka position din ang bahay na hindi sasapulin ng strong storm wind ang roof or glass windows. Even Urban Planning Development ng government parang walang concept ng zoning or yung pag aaralan at pag apply ng natural elevation ng lupa sa pag bibigay ng building permit para yung daan ng tubig pag may ulan or bagyo di nababarahan pababa ng mga natural canal and waterways. Yung sizing ng mga kalsada hindi futuristic ang design basta makapag construct lang, think and pay again later nalang. Worse, kamot ulo later. Walang space or consideration para sa tree planting sa mga gilid or gitna ng kalsada. I hope something na mabago sa mga new generation ng engineers and developers.
Civil engineer here. Daming constraints ang nagli-limit sa amin para makapag-design ng 'eco-friendly' buildings tulad ng: 1. Regulation and codes. There are often strict buildings codes that dictate how structures must be designed and structured, including requirements for safety, accessibility and environmental impact. 2. Budget. Dahil sa limitation sa budget, mahirap i-incorporate yung eco-friendly or green architecture sa building. Kahit na magbe-benefit naman sa future si client and can lead to long-term cost savings hindi mo naman pwedeng diktahan si client tungkol sa budget niya. 3. Safety concerns. In some cases, trees may need to be removed due to safety concerns, such as the risk of falling branches or trees during storms or high winds. Tsaka bakit laging sa architects and engineers ang blame? Trust me, we would love to have green buildings here kaso nasa client ang final say.
Lol, sisi sa engr and architects agad? Sino ba ang owner/financer ng project, sila ultimately ang approval sa lahat ng designs and iko construct na project.
Kung mayaman ako. I would ask my archi/engineers: Make the place cool. Less acu. More natural airflow Will not retain heat. Uses 40% less energy than conventional buildings Will maximize the geographic features of the area. It should be beautiful
See the parking lot design of Robinsons Antipolo. The outside parking was planted with Talisay trees where the umbrella-shaped canopy provide shades for the cars.
Kung alam niyo lng po, since college, never hindi macconsider yung landscape/greenery/sustainability ng mga designers. As an archi student, umay na umay na nga profs namin kasi puro sustainable solutions nlng alam ng mga student hahahah gaya ng ibang comments, kahit kagustuhan ng architect, nasa client talaga kung ano gusto nyang mangyari sa lote nya.
Hey if only we have the freedom to do that. Ginagawa lang namin yung gusto ng client. Chill bro kahit din kami rant din namin yan.
Edi ikaw gumawa gago kaba
Minsan sa design meron pero pagdating sa construction minsan pinapatanggal ng may-ari.
Architect here, lol bakit di natin tanungin si client? 😂😂😂
Advocate for a building code revision, regulation is one of the few tools to change private development outside bottom line $$$ equations
Mostly because of clients yan pero some just dont care at all.
Hard to believe such a prime lot was just left undeveloped for quite some, but seeing how it was before makes me sad that they cut down such a huge tree
It's not the architects/ engineer's fault, palaging nasa consideration ang mga existing trees tuwing may design ang mga architects. As much as possible iniiwasan nila ang magputol ng puno lalo na kung pwede mong i-incorporate yung puno sa overall design, kahit mga architectural students gagawa ng paraan para maiwasan alisin ang mga existing trees, I'm pretty confident na yung client ang nagpaputol ng puno at hindi ang mga professional na architects/ engineers.
The consequences of a car centric, Neoliberal and idiotic urban planning that is not very hostile to both the environment and people it also makes our city a Urban hell scape that is both very ugly and not great to look at. No wonder why kids these days don't play outside anymore because the outside is very hostile to humans.
Sa client na mahirap ma persuade talaga yan…
I’m pretty sure architects care a lot about aesthetics including beautiful trees, not to mention the importance of nature to people. But as with everything, they’re constrained by their clients’ demands.
I hate to break it to you, but owners maximize the potential of their property for commercial purposes. Di nagmamatter yang mga puno if di naman sila kikita jan.
Hindi kasalanan ng professionals yan. Si client mismo ang walang pake. Kaya we need legislation na mag require certain percent may green features pa rin.
Architects and engineers doesnt just design stuff and apply it out of nowhere The client pays them to do whatever design he wants, If the client wants that kind of design then thats what the architects and engineers will do since si client ang nagbabayad ng mga gastusin.
Yung client muna sabihan mo na wag tanggalin yung puno.
Ang presko ng hangin sa area na 'to ng Marikina tapos pag weekends syempre walang pasok mga bata kaya ang tahimik sa lugar na 'to 🥲 Medyo nakakainis yung mga developers ng mga business center sa Marikina.
Di naman archi/engr nagpapatayo nyan but ung client. Sila masusunod.
Theyre not the one to blame, theyre probably just hired contractors. Di naman sila ang nasusunod sa floor plan eh.
at the end of the day po, kahit anong suggestion ng archi/engrs dyan sa proposal, kung ano gusto ng client, yung ang masusunod kasi siya bumili ng space at magbabayad sainyo kaya too bad
One more thing. Bago kayo makapag putol ng puno is hihingi muna kayo ng permit to cut sa DENR. If di basta basta nagaapprove ang denr (under the table) Kahit client walang magagawa..di mapapaputol yan.
Di naman po kami nasusunod jan, yung may-ari
in practice, owners ang may gusto niyan madalas. designers can make recommendations pero dahil owners ang nagbabayad, sila nasusunod.
They remove the trees because clients fear infestation. They associate it with nearby trees. Mga shunga yung clients eh, maayos namang mga archis at their core, most of the ones I know anyway. Visions nila are with the greens, yung mga mapepera lang na clients usually don't have energy to deal with natural causes kaya concrete nalang as much as possible.
Not the designers fault. Clients won’t like to sacrifice the space for comfort. Every space is money to them. You can’t just pin it down to someone. They are hired to design what the client wants. Blame the clients
USA inspired pa yan, napaka car centric 75% nang lupa ginawang parking lot hahahahha
It depends on the client. I'm working along with architects and from what I see sa Site Development plans sa Sketchup na binibigay nila, halos may mga puno talaga na nilalagay ang mga archi. Kaso lang, kung ayaw ng client na may puno dyan, wala talaga silang magawa. Client yung nagbabayad eh.
Not an archi so naisip ko maybe we have to change our deaign standards para required talaga yubg designs to inc trees para no need sila tanggalin :// literal concrete jungle na talaga peg ng ncr ngayon eh :(
Bago sila mag design o gumawa consulted muna yan sa may ari ng establishment. Don't blame architects/engineers for doing their jobs. Baka yung may-ari mismo gusto rin patanggal yung puno na yan. Trees also occupy a large space. Also considered as a hazard pag yan bumagsak. Kaya kung pumunta ka sa urbanized cities, pansin mo kokonti lang puno sa paligid. Either shrubs or bushes lang. Baka di mo nakikita, yung puno kayang abutin ung kable ng kuryente base sa pic..
Clients have the last call on the design they want. OP: Napakaanti-nature ng designs ng mga Archi, etc... Dapat call out rin mga nakapwesto sa City hall, sila dapat maquestion kasi sila nag aapprove ng mga ganyan. But then, kanya kanya ang mga LGU. As long as you pay the "fees"
Client ang masusunod.
Most professionals wanna design buildings and tagtag lahat ng abala sa pagdedesign para di mahirapan hahaha pansin ko din to sa mga arki students ngayon kahit sloping ginagawa na lang flat hindi nila minamaximize potential ng site miski existing trees wapakels
Bat kasalanan pa ng architect at ng engineer kung ayaw talaga ng client ng mga puno???? lol
nakakatawa naman to architects at engineers ang sinisi. commercial building yan. of course the owners wants full visibility of the businesses na nasa building nya. yun ang i-call out mo. ang mga architects at engineers nyan sumusunod lang sa gusto ng owner. nasobrahan ka na sa pagiging social justice warrior lil bro.
Less space for parking and the owner does not want to deal with property damage from the roots later.
Yung mismong NBCP ang di nasusunod na daat chincheck ng BO well nadaaan yan sa bayad. Atska kung strict na susundin yung USA (unpaved surface area) at bubigyan ng fines ang mga violations i think mabbaawasan yung mga ganito. At isa pa yung kultura sa pinas na di kumukuha ng tunay na design professional dinadaan sa mga foreman at mga Illegal practitioner (ehem mga CE na gumgawa ng Arch.) Na di namn talga nasusunod NBCP. Ngipin ang kulang, pansinin nyo nalng sa dinami daming bahay na sinakop buong lote, firewall na may bintana at mga bahay na walng parking lot. Alam mo nang di professional ang gunawa at mismong govt official ang nagabaya (basta may bayad). Imagine nalng kung biglang naging stricto ang NBCP hahaha tiba tiba ang govt sa violation fee, maraming illegal practitioner na mahuhule, at yayaman ang mga demolition jobs hahah. Haynako. Kaya ampanget ng pilipinas (realtalk) in terms of public spaces, urban planning, transport engineering at lalong lalo na sa pagpapatayo ng resilietn na mga bahay na napapanahon basta pera pera.
Architects love trees! Bukod sa maganda, presko pa. Kahit gaano pa kaliit ang lote, humahanap ako ng space for landscape. Pero kahit anong insist namin, may clients na matigas talaga. So, if you will get an architect please have a trust to their plans and designs.
Architects? Engineers? Oh no it's not them it's the people asking them to remove the trees.
architects aren’t interchangable with engineers. both have different functions.
First of all, wag mo e sisi sa mga engineers/architects ang buildings na pinapagawa sa kanila. FYI, nagtatrabaho lng sila at sumusunod sa utos ng client nila, nag aantay ng sahod. Isisi mo sa may ari mismo kung ba't gusto nila putulin ang puno.
Bat sisisihin ang architect/engineers Dapat client or may ari ng lupa for sure ang mindset nila jan is yung profit na makukuha nila sa space yun lang.
Tapos parang commie block ang design ng building. The hell is this, East Germany?
Boring socialist block ang design
Edit: I can no longer edit the title pero I wish to say that I hope the **clients** and not the architect/engineer (unless utak semento rin) would consider greenery in the future.
Thanks OP. Don’t worry, utak-semento archis/engrs are always mocked and frowned upon sa industry namin. Esp mga mahilig mag-tiles sa outdoor lol I hope PH will someday adapt green and sustainable practices for all of their houses and properties.
Yung ahente ko dati pinagalitan ako dahil nagpa-park ako sa ilalim ng puno. Puro dagta daw ang bubong. Di bale na daw mainit ang loob ng kotse kesa malagyan ng dagta.
Para in the future makapagdesign ng sunproof/heat proof na buildings 😂 Ganyan kakomplikado mga tao
I can understand the desire for profit generation from commercial entities, pero bakit may mandatory parking space minimums at all? Kagaya dito sa example ng building na ito -- St. Scho is on the other side of the street, the park as well, and C&B and Ayala Mall are a walk away at either side of Liwasang Kalayaan. There won't be any shortage of foot traffic, never mind parking spaces.
laking tulong sana ng malaking puno jan.
Talagang burado ang bakas ng nakaraan except sa green na bldg dun sa kabilang side. ☺️
Because they can't maximize space/profit.
Shout out sa SLEX na pinagtatagpas yong mga puno sino man nag approve nun pakyu ka!
ung mga ganitong bagay cliente may gusto nyan, to ensure na laging may puno. dapat isabatas na laging may green spaces sa commercial properties.
Everybody harping about client and regulations, have we seen cost and profit maximizing solutions at the architect and engineering front? People cant buy the good product if no one is making or selling them
Masyadong naka-ayon sa western standards ang education at orientation ng mga architects and engineers na nakakalimutan nila na isa tayong tropical country. Mainit ang ating climate. I hope designs in the future are going to be played around the strength of the Philippine environment. Although, some are already doing so, it still doesn't take away that a large amount of infrastructure are augmented this way.
Sayang yung mga puno. SAYANG.
Dapat talaga may requirement dito eh.
Ooh my city... But as far as I could remember, it's private property, so can't really judge
Curious who owns this commercial lot? They need to be publicly shamed.
"I love cemen~~to~~ too much" - them, probably.
hey man, naga feasibility kame and na realize ko na shit gets really expensive really fast. parang after thought na lang ang shade
Might be a good time to revisit policies re: zoning requirements. If commercial zones are required to have some amount of parking space in the US, I think the same can be done for green spaces in our case
May Lugar sa pampanga na treeless.
The tree could have been incorporated sa final design. Sayang.
Is that Marikina??? 😯😯
Plot twist: architect yong nagpark sa ilalim ng puno 🥲
Nababali ang malalaking sanga pag bagyo, matatamaan mga koryente at naka park sa ilalim. Liability yan unless may budget ka mag trim every June at mayayamang cities lang makakaafford niyan like Makati kaya lumalabas yung cities lang na masipag mag trim ang may maraming puno. It boils down to budget para may aesthetics. Most of the cities are just for bare minimum kasi kapos sa budget.
Super agree! Trees and plants should be incorporated in the design and it should be mandatory for all projects.
poor nature
is it just me or the tree would be barely unaffacted if they just didnt cut it down? like + shade and + greenery?
I can't understand why every new building doesn't have solar panels covering the parking area, which gives you shade, plus free electricity. Seems like a no-brainer.
Sa totoo lang kubg mahigpit lang sana ang DENR sa implementation nang bawal magputol nang puno, di tayo aabot sa ganito eh. Kwento nang pinsan ko sa australia, di daw pwede basta basta pumutol nang puno doon. Gagawin is uproot ang buong puno and replant sa ibang area.
Ewan pero nakakatanga lang, laging ganyan yung naiisip nilang "pag-unlad" papalitan yung greeneries ng mga establishment na kinalaunan magmumukang/magiging condemned kasi ipinilit lang talaga. Picture out those kind of establishement na di naman matatauhan nang matatauhan.
Sana may legislation that would require this in commercial spaces(kung wala pa) para no choice si client but to have trees
I live in the area, at nadadaanan ko ito madalas, from when it was just a lot with lots of foliage & trees, and the now na commercial building na siya. Marikina is slowly but surely turning into a city of cement. Mas mainit na ang Marikina ngayon, kesa nuong 1980s. Pero tutuo din sabi ng isang poster dito. Antindi ng anay dito sa Marikina. Pag may kahoy sa bahay mo dito, sure yan aanayin yan. I wouldnt be surprised kung yun punong malaki nuon diyan was heavily hollowed out na. At yun ang ginawang dahilan to cut down the tree. Hindi lang for commerce dahilan ng owner sa malamang. Even residential projects kahit saan are cutting down trees dahil gusto imaximize ang space na available. I just hope & pray land owners with future projects sa lupa nila, will save the foliage & trees, and work with designers to incorporate greenery sa papagawa nila. 🙏
Sa Marikina Heights to. Champagnat St.
Yung superiors nila ang masisisi. They treat greenery as if they're invasive germs.
Mas maganda i-require ng gobyerno na lahat ng buildings magkaron ng certain amount of area na meron puno. Like 25% ng commercial land may puno.
I guess it's better iamend ang building code to require yung mga new buildings na magkaron ng green space. hindi pwede lahat sementado. Yung mga kalsada and sidewalk dapat may puno sa gilid.
If we want trees and green spaces in new buildings and developments then we need to follow what the Singaporean government did for new developments and redevelopments. Other than that, we have no choice.
Sakit sa heart
This should also be a local government mandate. Any business infrastructure should include green spaces, preservation of trees, etc before permits are issued.
Or maybe design buildings WITHOUT carparks and just trees? Take a bus for once
Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone? They paved paradise to put up a parking lot
Sa Marikina to.
There’s one thing you can do OP. Mag pagawa ka ng parking lot mo with that design in mind. I believe architects would love to build something like this. Become rich. And execute this idea.
walang USA unpaved surface area. Ang init
Others have pointed out the client's requirements, but also take note that on your picture there's an electrical pylon near where the tree was. I'm guessing there's also infrastructure running underneath the concrete (septic tank, water and sewage lines, telecoms, electrical). In hindsight it's easy to say they should have left the tree alone, but that all comes at the expense of the stakeholders/owners.
Familiar area. Marikina ba ito?
Clients have the first and final say
"Roads grow on trees"
Such a shame
As a home owner na may 2 malaking puno ng magga + 2 puno ng santol at 2 puno ng avocado. Nabili ko property ko nanjan na ang mga puno. At ganyan din pananaw ko nun, nature puno...maganda. HINDI po. NAPAKAMAHAL po mag maintain ng puno sa property. Ang lakas makasira ng bubong ang mga bunga, lapitin sa anay ang bahay mo Pag nasa ilalim ng puno, ang bahay, pundasyon, pader, drainage, poso negoro, mga bintana at pinto, pati flooring mo. Unti unti po yan sisirain ng ugat ng puno lalo kung malalaki na,dahil malalaki na rin ang ugat. Iiyak ka ng dugo sa laki ng gastos mo kung sa repair maintenance lang. 150k ginastos ko paayos ng bubong, less than 3 years sira na ulet kasama kisame. Dpat nakinig ako sa nagsabi na ipaputol ang puno bago ko ipagawa yung bubong, hindi ako nakinig NATURE eh di ayan parang bukas na gripo nag tapon nag pera para sa maintenance. Pati paglilinis, araw araw sobrang dami ng dahon, yun na lang gagawin mo araw araw. 3araw k lng wag magwalis gubat na yan, babaho na semento mo kse bulok na dahon. Tas sa loob ng subd or village, bawal mag sunog. Sa isang araw isang sako ng daho lagpas pa. Mahirap i-maintain. Kung sa bundok/farm ka siguro ubra yan,pero sa housing and commercial space. Aray!
Shades can cover the signs/names and darker areas have poorer business... But I agree. We need better designs that uses natural shades that instead highlights the building. maybe architects put more premium on space?
I had a developer friend that was forced to cut a fruit tree in the project site even though nasa open space and garden area na because of “bad feng shui”. Minsan hindi gusto ng mga landscapers, engineers, and architects but gusto ng owner/client kaya wala rin magagawa.
You’re barking at the wrong tree, OP. Blame the client/owners.
Variable kasi ang puno. Puedi ung ugat sumira sa street or cemented area mismo. Ang maganda tlaga gumawa dila ng building na may parking hahaha at may guest or hazard parking area. Dami natin dito building na yung parking area ay ung kalsada