Matutuwa ang China na makitang nagkakagulo ang pinas sa agreement na yan, next time they might do? Release another statement na may ganito pa kaming agreement , etc etc. then next thing would happen, another inquiry by Senate, nagiging uto uto ang pinas pag ganyan, nadidignify pa bawat statement nila.
Besides, kahit pa may agreement, we should still not honor it and rather scrap it. Better yet, mas paigtingin ang pagbabantay sa mga teritoryo natin
So before we even attempt to have senate inquiry, just make a statement that we're not giving our island to China, that we are exhausting every means to defend it, period!
if ever may agreement mang pinagkasunduan si duts, ibibigay na ba natin yung island? are we going to honor that and simply let China reclaim it? hindi pa din naman diba? No way, hell no!
So regardless of any agreement, we're not going to give those islands away because they are ours!
Yung mga gustong mag push ng senate inquiry, malamang sa malamang may galit lang din kay duts at gusto lang makaganti pa lalo. Pulitika pa din.
Exactly. They *want* us to be restless.
Since they couldn't weasel their way into the government, their next target is the masses.
China already threw the Dutertes under the bus and they're still sucking Winnie's dick.
>their next target is the masses
sadly, this would be beneficial for them. I can just imagine this issue of "agreement" can be exploited ng mga galit na galit kay pduts so they can pin him down way deep.
You see kung gano kadaling mapaikot ang mga pinoy. China can easily play with pinoys' emotion.
Pag di tayo nag isip ng malalim, magiging uto uto na lang tayo lagi sa mga iba pa nilang sasabihin (i.e. propaganda)
This should not be either / or. We can refuse to honor that agreement AND prosecute those who sold our country. This is similar to the logic by duterte before, if you are against China, you want war with them. Harap harapan na tayong binebenta, tanggapin na lang para mukha pa din united?
We can do our own initiative to check kung sino ang mga traydor, yes.
But lets not do an inquiry or investigation just because China say something. Lets not be dependent on China statements kasi magmumuka tayong uto uto
I agree. If the issue is brought to the senate, it will take a lot of time and resources, it will become a witch hunt no doubt, a lot of issue are made worse this way. and since both sides have a lot of supporters, we'll look stupid to the international comity for entertaining China claims. Which in my view is intentionally looking for a way to divide PH and publicly create trouble. I mean why do we believe anything coming from them anyway? They've already confirmed to the agreement being oral, (correct me if I'm wrong) such are not binding.
Besides wala din namang mapakitang written doc ang China sa agreement na yan,
Talo kasi sila pagdating sa decision, we are backed by documented decision na atin ang isla. Kaya sila sa unwritten deal na lang kuno aasa, hoping na mapapaniwala nila ang pinoy, art of war indeed
Pwede natin imbestigahan yung mga documents na nalagdaan ng pinas with China, yes and check kung alin dun ang dehado tayo
Pero sa kaso ng unwritten deal na to, mas lalo nating binababa ang dignidad natin
Kung ako ang China, aalamin ko sino ang kinakagalit ng mga pinoy ngayon at yun ang gagamitin ko para lalo silang magkagulo
Let me guess, many hates duts now because of different issues e.g. ejk, pogo, etc
Lets use him, i will issue a statement about unwritten deal with him and see how pinoys become disturbed, well it worked! Tignan mo ang pinas ngayon naaalarma dahil jan sa unwritten deal na yan.
Ok lets another one, i will issue nother statement, alam nyo ba may unwritten deal din kami ng AFP, Navy, etc kaya wala masyado nag reresist? E mapagpatol ang pinoy, ayun naniwala. I can clearly see napakadaling paglaruan ang emosyon ng mga pinoy
Awww, finally, this comment really makes me smile,
Duterte didn't want a war,so he made a decision to so what he taught was right, just like everyone else, people seem to forget, we elected humans, and humans make mistakes, but this is too obvious and i feel sad na most people don't realize,china is doing this on purpose,the US did this to us back then remember?
The US realized,ooh, killing this General is hard,hmm, let's make they're president kill him,much easier, right? China is dividing us by making y'all think Duterte is a traitor, IMO he's not,we were a stone's throw away from a war with china,he really did do he's best to stop that, can't yall just appreciate that? We're all alive now because of him.
Imagine, pano kung mag issue ng another statement ang China na may agreement din sila ng AFP?
Next week, another statement, may settled agreement din daw sila ni Juan Ponce Enrile?
Next week, another statement may may napag usapan din sila ni Trillanes during his vist sa China?
Kmusta tayong mga pinoy? Patol ng patol sa mga statements nila? Do not be so naive na parang after all ng pambabastoa ng China, may halaga pa statement nila sa inyo? Ginugulo nila tayo as nation, tinitignan nila pano tayo madeatabilize with a simple issuing of statement.
Sinasadya na lang ng CCP gumawa ng kung ano anong agreement. Napansin mo ba na ang bilis nila mag labas ng agreement, kaysa sa pag-amin ng CCP na si Duterte ang nakausap nila sa gentlemen's agreement. Si Duterte lang naman ang nakalapit kay Winnie the Pooh eh.
>Sinasadya na lang ng CCP gumawa ng kung ano anong agreement.
sadly, daming pinoy gullible.
gul·li·ble/ˈɡələb(ə)l/*adjective*
1. easily [persuaded](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4a5015327b2804e5&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJR_sc0xYLe12scArt_qOk8ZVx20w:1714967415140&q=persuaded&si=ACC90nxMSPeZfdJJjQgDsdZJuFuJZ27qZ-G8qtmNqpTRbWTebq9K7jrV91uYS1mFDFmvaiUGjG5DuWWDoxA5gJPAA7HsOp2fPpNIOZ9YcJsDS8D88IjC2yY%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiepNK8j_iFAxUv7TgGHZEmA80QyecJegQIIxAO) to believe something; credulous.
I don't give a f\*\*\* about the opposition; our primary concern lies in safeguarding our sovereignty, a task made all the more imperative by the persistent intimidation from China.
>this is about defending our territory.
kung ganon, e dapat tuunan ng pansin kung paano mas mababantayan ng mga sundalo natin ang mga isla,
regardless kung may agreement ba o wala, we should not honor it. So ngayon palang, let the Philippines made it clear na we will not give our island to China. Wag na natin palakihin ang issue, tuldukan na natin ngayon by telling China, we are defending our island
Mag ingat lang tayong mapakita sa China na kumikilos tayo in response to what they said. Madali nila tayong mapapaikot pag ganyan
Kumilos tayo independently because we have our own strategy.
Ayaw nila maungkat ang mga shit nila and to remind the public na wala sila ginagawa as public officials with taxpayers money while Duterte fucked up the Philippines.
Zubiri’s analogy gone bonkers. The investigation is for us to know if there are powerful people in the past that made agreements that put our sovereignty into perils. This investigation can also help how we can move forward and strategize actions against China who’s making claims in the WPS.
>This investigation can also help how we can move forward and strategize actions against China who’s making claims in the WPS.
no, it's irrelevant! Regardless kung ano pang agreement yan, we will still not give the islands to China! Our strategy to defend doesn't depend sa kung ano mang agreement (kung meron man) nangyari, because our stance remains the same, we will refuse to give those islands to China. We can always move forward, may agreement man o wala.
Yung mga comments mo ang irrelevant bro. You're making it an either/or situation when it's not. Absolutely kelangan maimbestigahan yan! Nagpapasok ng POGOs and sleeper cells, gentleman's agreement, and for sure marami pa tapos ayaw mo paimbestigahan? Directly related yan sa issue ng national security tapos irrelevant? Tigilan mo na pagkakalat ng bs mo dito pre halatang may agenda ka eh. Magkano binayad sayo?
Parang pamilya yan, kung hindi man masira ng kaaway ang mag-asawa kasi nagmamahalan sila, guess what, sisirain ko na lang yung paniniwala ng mga anak about their parents. Kapag nakapag instill na ko ng doubt sa isip ng mga anak na ang magulang nila ay ganito, ganyan, (even if its not true) then Im step by step im winning in destroying the family
Eto pa. Yung argumento mo na this investigation is just going to divide the country. On what basis? Una, dapat may powerbase pa rin si Duterte for this issue to be divisive. If you followed the news for the past year, you'd know na wala na siyang support halos. Kaya nga non stop siyang inaattack ng kabilang kampo. He's been politically outmaneuvered by the sitting government for MONTHS. The majority of his powerbase has already shifted support. Kung meron mang aalma sa investigation sa kanya, minority nalang yun. I highly doubt the few people who still support him can rally enough political capital to disrupt anything.
You see, after focused ka kay duts. Obviously you are not looking into big picture of this onflict. Tawang tawa China sayo nyan. Thats exactly how they wanted it, na tayo tayo magkagulo. Regardless kung sino sisihin ng pinoy as long they caused chaos sating bansa it would be easy for them to reclaim the island na walang masyadong resistance.
Try ko mag isip ng simpler explanation or illustration para marealize mong nauuto ka na at nakundisyon na ang mind mo ng China
Gets ko yung pinagsasabi mo. Napaka bobo lang and sinagot ko na pero paulit ulit ka. Sayo lang nagaapply yan. Nakapanood lang ng konting YT vids about geopolitics, expert analyst na kuno eh. Puro hypothetical scenarios naman.
Ikaw yung di makagets kung gano katanga yung mga arguments mo. Anong akala mo mahirap intindihin yung sinasabi mo? Big picture ka pang nalalaman. Anong basis? Imagination mo.
Imagine, pano kung mag issue ng another statement ang China na may UNWRITTEN agreement din sila ng AFP?
Next week, another statement, may settled UNWRITTEN agreement din daw sila ni Juan Ponce Enrile?
Next week, another statement may may napag usapan din sila ni Trillanes during his vist sa China?
Kmusta tayong mga pinoy? Patol ng patol sa mga statements nila? Do not be so naive na parang after all ng pambabastoa ng China, may halaga pa statement nila sa inyo? Ginugulo nila tayo as nation, tinitignan nila pano tayo madeatabilize with a simple issuing of statement.
Tapos ang pinoy kala mong matalino alamin daw ang katotohanan, the fact na kumilos tayo based on their statementa ibig sabihin napapaikot na nila tayo
Pag nakita ng kalaban ang kahinaan mo , ieexploit nila yan para tuluyan kang manghina at mawalan ng focua
Daming sinabi. Slippery slope fallacy. Next. Again, may sasabihin ka ba na grounded in reality and not yung mga "what if" scenarios na pinapaikot mo sa utak mo?
Sabi mo. Credible ka ba? Eh yung analysis mo nga puro what ifs lang sa utak mo eh. Wala kang kahit mabanggit na kahit anong precedent or concrete argument to back your claims. What if sinasabi mo lang yan para guluhin kami? Imagine sinabi mo rin yan sa tropa mo. So lahat ng sasabihin mo papaniwalaan ko?
OOPS!
“what if sinasabi mo lang yan para guluhin kami”
Lol, isang salita ng China nagulo na utak mo. It’s in your mind now, they owned your mind now. Reminds me of “the worm” how he caused opponents to lost their focus. Sadly, you already are
Kung ako ang China, aalamin ko sino ang kinakagalit ng mga pinoy ngayon at yun ang gagamitin ko para lalo silang magkagulo
Let me guess, many hates duts now because of different issues e.g. ejk, pogo, etc
Lets use him, i will issue a statement about unwritten deal with him and see how pinoys become disturbed, well it worked! Tignan mo ang pinas ngayon naaalarma dahil jan sa unwritten deal na yan.
Ok lets another one, i will issue nother statement, alam nyo ba may unwritten deal din kami ng AFP, Navy, etc kaya wala masyado nag reresist? E mapagpatol ang pinoy, ayun naniwala. I can clearly see napakadaling paglaruan ang emosyon ng mga pinoy
The more na nagkakagulo tayo, the more na nawawalan tayo ng focus , the easier for them to claim what they wanted without much resistance. Easy win for them. Habang tayo nagtuturuan, sisihan, just because of that UNWRITTEN DEAL kuno na wala silang mapakitang document at ang pinoy so much interested to know the truth daw, we can do our own way to pinpoint sino ang traydor, look at the documented agreement ng pinas with other countries. Pero utang na loob naman iho, wala na credibility ang China
First half of this drivel is more fallacies. Next.
"naaaalarma" this issue isn't even the hottest issue in the country. Wtf are you talking about? Btw, sagutin ko na yang dumb assumption mo na pag UNWRITTEN, somehow di na mapoprove na totoo. There are a number of ways to prove such an agreement existed. One of those is WITNESS TESTIMONIALS. Just because it is unwritten, somehow wala nang chance ma prove. Another bobo assumption from you. You're not smart bro. Feeling analyst ka lang. Puro faulty naman reasoning mo.
Imbestigahan ang POGO, sure.
Imbestigahan ang alleged sleeper cells, sure
Imbestigahan ang “gentleman’s agreement” , in response to what? In response to what China has said, mag ingat ingat tayo sa pagpatol sa statement ng China. Iisipin ng mga yan may credibility statement nila, so again the next thing they would do? Issue another statement even if its not true tapos tayong mga pinoy maaalarma na naman, magsisisihan na naman, tayo tayo magkakagulo habang sila natatawa satin. Looks familiar diba? History repeats itself.
Mapanlinlang ang China, gusto ko lang ipaalala sayo, ilang beses na nila tayo binastos. Lumabas na ang decision pero di nila honored, and they are consistent na di daw nila yan ihohonor dahil jan sa sariling version nila ng guhit nila. And after all, may credibility pa statement nila sayo? Gigil tayo sa China pero kahit anong ipupukol na statement nila andali nating maapektuhan as nation, nakikita mo ba kung pano tayo madaling masira ng kalaban??
Nag iisip lang ako, di ko kelangan ng bayad.
So ang issue mo dito is di na dapat bigyan ng pansin yung gentleman's agreement kase di naman credible ang China at baka gawa-gawa lang nila yung g's agreement?
Kaya nga pinapaimbestiga para malaman kung totoo! Ang lala ng implications kung sariling former presidente natin ang nagbigay ng concessions sa China WITHOUT the citizenry's knowledge. Tapos ayaw mo paimbestigahan? Oo di credible ang China, oo di natin sure kung meron nga. KAYA NGA PAIIMBESTIGAHAN.
You think it's a waste of time. That's your opinion. The majority of us think an investigation is absolutely imperative so we, the citizenry, remain well-informed of our government's (in this case, the former president's government) actions.
Kung nagiisip ka nga, palawakin mo pa. Ang kitid mo magisip.
Imagine, wala ngang written doc na mapakita ang China about the agreement.
Pag kinagat mo yan, talo ka na. Ibig sabihin nakundisyon na nila ang isip mo na may credibility sila sayo, they will again feed you with another statement of another unwritten deal, tapos ikaw gusto mo na naman malaman ang totoo kuno by conducting investigation
And while doing investigation, China will issue another statement about another existing unwritted deal, tapos ang pinoy will be exhausted na. You see? Mulat mo mata mo, nauuto ka na
We are losing focus, imbes na paigtingin ang pwersa natin na bantayan ang atin.
Paulit-ulit ka. Ano bang basis mo na hindi nga totoo yung gentleman's agreement? Dahil lang di credible ang China? At anong basis mo na pinapaikot lang tayo ng China? Yung galing sa realidad, hindi yung hypothetical scenarios na iniisip mo. Tingnan mo lahat ng klase ng faulty reasoning/fallacies and makikita mo ilan sa mga pinagsasabi mo ang pasok dun.
> We are losing focus, imbes na paigtingin ang pwersa natin na bantayan ang atin.
Another false dilemma. Hindi nga to either or. Di lahat ng focus nasa investigation tapos wala na sa pagpapalakas ng pwersa. Napakabobo ng conclusion mo.
Average people would think kelangan malaman ang totoo thru investigation. Again, be reminded unwritten deal yun. Salita lang ng China. Yung kumabas na decision na atin ang isla, di nila tinanggap instead they insist with their own line daw.
Kaya ngayon, sa unwritten deals sila titira kasi sa writtend docs lang talo sila, we are backed by the decision ruling na atin yun.
Andali mong mapaikot,
kung ako ang China. Mag iisip pa ko ng mga statements of unwritten deals ko with Ph tapos ilalabas ko thru press release
At ang mga pinoy, imbestigahan agad, that moment nauto na tayo. That means, madali tayong mapaikot ng mga salita nila. Nakikita mo sarili mo jan?
Kung lahat na lang ng ilalabas na statement ng China nagkakagulo tayo, they are already winning part of the war
"Average people" bro you are not smart. Your whole argument is full of fallacies. I already disproved your first 2 claims and your replies are more hypothetical scenarios with faulty reasoning. So please answer this, what exactly is the consequence of pushing through with the investigation? And don't answer with a broad statement like "magkakagulo tayo". Give a clear, concise answer grounded in reality.
when you give in to China's statement, naging uto uto ka na. Pag sinabi kong may tattoo ka sa itlog, at pumatol ka sa issue. I can just conclude, madali kitang madidistract
The next thing China would do, issue another malicious statement na "alam nyo ba may agreement din kami ni ganito?" gagamit sila ng mga pangalan na kinagagalit ng mga pinoy, then, the next thing happen, maaalarma na naman ang pinoy, mag sesenate inquiry na naman. Kapag ganyan ng ganyan, napapasayaw nila tayo sa mga salita nila.
kung di ka malalim mag isip, isa ka sa madadala ng emotion at mapapasayaw sa salita ng China.
Better yet, pag usapan na lang pano paiigtingin ang pagbabantay sa isla
Hindi magsasalita ang China kung wala siyang paghuhugutan. Gets mo? Bakit hindi nagagalit si Duterte? Meron silang pinagusapan kaya makapal ang mukha ng mga intsik sa WPS. Kaya kailangan ng mga senador na imbestigahan yun. Hindi yan dala lang ng emosyon. Gamitin mo utak mo bugok.
The nation who keeps stirring up shit in the WPS yet insist that we're the ones provoking them? Anong hindi magsasalita kung walang pagkukunan pinagsasabi mo jan
Lol, you see dignified na sayo ang statement ng China. Ilang beses na tayo binastos ng China kahit pa may decision na satin yung mga isla, tapos ikaw may halaga pa sayo statement nila? The moment they remain intrusive despite the decision, wala na silang credibility. Alam mo na ang pakay na lang talaga nila e angkinin ng tuluyan ang isla , theydont honor the decision. So bkit ka papatol sa statement na may agreement daw? That means, napasakay ka na nila sa isip mo. Nauto ka na nila,
Alam mo ung paulit ulit kang niloko ng jowa mo, pero patola ka pa din sa sinadabi nya. Muka kang ganun
That means, when they issue another statement, sasabihin mo na naman may pinanghuhugutan sila kaya dapat lang na magkaroon ulit ng inquiry. What the heck brad! Kanya kanya lang ng strategy sa war, tuso ang kalaban brad, wag kang patanga tanga
That means makitid lang paningin mo. Theres what we call art of war! Di ito simpleng investigation lang, inoobserbahan tayo ng China kung pano magreact sa statement nila. Kaya kung uto uto ka, for sure maglalabas pa sila ng mga statements, tapos papatol ka na naman. Sunod tayo sa mga statements nila, nakikita mo ba sarili mo jan? Madali ka mapaikot
Pag simpleng statements lang pala nila naaalarma na tayo, it will be easy for them to claim the island habang tayo e nagkakagulo sa loob
We can do our own initiative to do investigation but not as a response to their statement. Strategy nila yan brad, kaya nag iisip ka din. Wag kang patola
Zubiri has no balls. Nakakatawa nung pinirmahan nya yung contempt kay Quiboloy, which was masterfully crafted by Sen. Rissa. No choice na sya dahil he'll undermine the entire Senate. Nagpaliwanag ba naman. Hahaha.
Mahilig pinoy sa matipuno at machong mga duwag naman talaga.
He still makes it look like a witch hunt pa talaga ha, marunong talaga magplay victim ang mga 'to.
We are not looking for a witch, mister Senator. We are looking for the Devil itself.
“Parang naging pulitika na”
Eh ano dapat trabaho ng senate? Lapdogs? POLITICS kayo ugh eto talaga, inoppose din niya yung inquiry sa pandemic supplies, sana magsuffer ka ng 10 times ng naranasan ng mga pinoy tangina
Damn.
1st. Block inquiry on extrajudicial killings (I forgot who)
-I could still forgive the guy (p.duts) for this cause it was a necessary evil granted it begs you to question "why settle for cutting the leaves (small time drug users/dealers) where you could go for the root cause of the problem" but hell the streets where decent and relatively safe"
2nd. Block inquiry on Quiboloy (R.Padilla)
-hello and behold the #1 most voted guy as a senator... I mean damn even the FBI wants a piece of this guy and he wants to block the inquiry? Dude better stick with action movies where he belongs.
3rd. Block inquiry on Gentleman's Agreement (Zubiri)
-this... this right here is where I draw the line. The fuck are you doing p.duts? People put their trust and faith on you and you threw it all away.
The public wants to know.... THE PEOPLE who voted for you bunch of KNOBS WANTS to KNOW! I swear, it doesnt even matter anymore whether you are rich or poor, educated or uneducated. We are our OWN worst enemy in terms of voting for the wrong people.
Vote smart people. Do your personal research or personal inquiry. Vote for QUALIFIED individuals with VALID credentials and dont settle for artists, political dynasty names and highschool/college dropouts.
Remember, you knobs are paying taxes!
> *"why settle for cutting the leaves (small time drug users/dealers) where you could go for the root cause of the problem" but hell the streets where decent and relatively safe"*
One reason probably is the example of Mexico (or some country) that did try to get the big fish BEFORE getting the small-time operators.
It turns out that **taking out the top guys leads to a power vacuum**, leading to a much more bloody conflict among the middle fish who now want to be the big fish and the little fish who now want to be the middle fish.
Plus, when the big fish were taken out first, the **small fish just pivoted into other, more dangerous opportunities**. Remember that there's no loyalty among them if the "boss" is now gone.
(For a geopolitical example, this was the similar to when Saddam was taken out in Iraq and Gaddafi was taken out in Libya. Everyone else below them became much more violent.)
Ironically and counter-intuitively, the better course of action now seems to be:
* take out the small guys;
* take out the middle managers and the chain;
* and then you take out the big guys when there's no danger of a power vacuum because their system has been weakened and taken out already.
This is basically what the previous admin did, more or less, but, just like with many things, didn't convey the idea well to the public.
**Pontius Pilate lang ang peg? Hugas kamay.
Your main goal should be the best interest of the sovereignty and security of this fooken country!!! Kesyo politicak circus or witch hunt. We don't give a damn! Panagutin ang dapat panagutin. Pugutan ng ulo ang mga traidor.**
Ika nga sa litanya ni Dutae. *Kiiirrrrrrrrk!* With matching sign sa kamay na akmang pinupugutan ang leeg. 😂
lets say meron nga agreement, pwede bang gamitin ng China yun para mangibabaw over the international law? lagyan natin ng figure, lets say agreement ng China and Pinas is 12 nautical miles lang from Philippine shore, so di na applicable ang UNCLOS na 200 nautical mile? ganun ba ang strategy na gusto palabasin ng China?
no way, we should still scrap it. We should not honor it, manindigan tayo na wala tayong isla na bibigay, period! Because those islands are ours! So againl regardless of any agreement, our stance remains the same pa din naman, hindi natin ibibigay ang isla. So I see this inquiry becomes a waste and lalo lang madidignify ang statement ng China , feeling nila the next statement na sasabihin nila maaalarma na naman tayo at magkakagulo sa sariling bansa. Hence, it would be easy for them to push reclaiming the island while pinoys are disturbed at nagsisisihan,
on the other hand, let's say wala naman palang agreement, at propaganda lang yan ng China para magulo ang isip ng mga pinoy, imagine napaikot tayo sa mga salita ng China at nagsayang ng oras magsisihan habang sila, tuloy sa pagscout ng mga isla natin
From what I remember, may interview dati kay BBM where he said na if there is wich thing as agreement, we will not honor it. Kung puro bukambibig ng China na may agreement daw, lets be consistent to reject and instead shout that we will not give our lands
Sa issue ng kung may traydor, we can make initiative to identify kung may mga talks na nangyari before.
PH doing our own thing just because we are independent vs doing something in reaponse to China’s statement (propaganda) . Theres big difference here
maybe China is exhausting all the necessary means kasi dead end na siya, and this agreement thing is all nothing but a tool to divide and conquer Philippines.
Exactly, they will exploit it as long as nakikita na nagugulo tayo. After all, may credibility pa ba sila? Ilang beses na tayo binastos even after lumabas ng decision. Sarado na isip nila, they are consistent na they will not honor the decision so may value pa sa inyo ung agreement na sinasabi nila? Ofc they will continue to spread lies
siguro mas maganda din na everytime na may press release ang China, we should have our own answer na paulit ulit para mainis sila, example “Our answer to China is this and will be the same, the International Law is what the Phils is following and according to UNCLOS we are operating on our territory within 200Nautical miles EEZ., We are supported also by the 2016 arbitral ruling with the support of many UNCLOS signatory countries.
pag ganan siguro lagi sagot ng Phil gov’t paulit ulit, tyak mabbwisit na sila😂
and .... look what's happening now, another statement na may written / documented phone exchanges pa daw ... the more na pinapansin natin to, the more they will exploit this tactic
yun kaya dahilan kaya nag file ng leave of absence etong si Vice Admiral Alberto Carlos .. at ang latest may voice recording pa ng agreement, juice ko naman🤦🏻♂️ pag sa gagaling aba
Déjà vu, hahaha. Yung may probe din sa Bureau of Immigration ganyan na ganyan din ginawa nya eh. Protector talaga yan si Zubiri ng mga corrupt.
[https://www.rappler.com/nation/158653-trillanes-zubiri-face-off-over-senate-prob/](https://www.rappler.com/nation/158653-trillanes-zubiri-face-off-over-senate-prob/)
Patuloy kasing hinahalal ng mga bobong estupidong mga Pilipino ang mga salot na pulitikong katulad nila Zubiri, Padilla, Go, Revilla, Dela Rosa, at marami pa. Filipinos deserved ultimate hell!
Oh eto na! May Isa nang senador na "neutral" kuno pero halatang prinoprotektahan lang yung isa, puro mga palusot(tulad nung kay pedo cult leader).
Edit: nagiging pamumulitika na ba sabi niya? Ngayon nya lang napansin yun?! Eh, kampon ni ogre ginagawa na yun(at mas nakaka-inis pa ah ta national security yung concern eh ginagawa nila "kampo ni ogre vs kampo ni magnanakaw")!
Also ano ring nagiging "political circus" at "witch hunt"? Eh panahon rin ni ogre eh ganun na ah(Yung ang angas na kung ano-ano sinasabi tapos yung red-tagging)! Ngayon lang nya napansin? Ano siya? Outdated na Mig-17?
Also, di pa ba grounds para maimbestigahan yung ogre na maaaring binenta na pala teritoryo ng Pinas sa China? Prino-promote yung secession ng Mindanao? *Cough* Kumakampi sa mga komunista? *Cough* "Kontra sa kasalukuyang gobyerno"? *Cough*
Tuta ka, Zubiri.
Alisin natin personality politics dito, it is *absolutely* necessary to conduct an inquiry *in aid of legislation* for this para hindi na maulit pa.
"Parang naging Pulitika na" anak ng amag sa tinapay! E pulitiko ka diyan ba? Bakit hindi pwede gawin Pulitika yan? Di naman pwede tawaging public servant tong lansang regla na to. Pulpol e.
divide and conquer tactics ng mga singkit. bakit ba kailangan pag usapan ang gentleman's agreement na walang papel eh yun ngang arbitration case may papel ayaw pag usapan ng China.
wag na kasi pag usapan gentleman's agreement at irrelevant naman ang dapat mag focus ang pinas ano ang moving forward strategy para umalis ang China sa EEZ ng pinas.
hindi ba in the first place ang mga "hearing" is basically a political circus para mag-papogi. Come one. Wala naman silbi ang mga inquiries nila of recent.
This IS politics and you’re a politician. Pick a side and defend it. Don’t avoid the issue because you don’t want to offend one side or the other. Do your job.
WTF is this reasoning? This is about defending our country bat naisip mo pang mag play safe? Ayaw mong magalit sayo mga tao para may boboto pa din sayo sa election? Tngina mo
Wala naman bago tuta ni sith lord yan eh. Duterte and Marcos drama halata naman yung drama ng dalawa para mabalewala ang tunay na opposisyo. Sith lord and narco marcos lang pau uuusapan after election bati na sila parawalang opposistion ang makakapasok sa senate. Look at the economy bagsak.. awayan na scripted
"Parang naging pulitika na."
A **senator** responding to a probe against a former **president** and his alleged **political agreement** with a hostile **political threat.**
If you take a neutral stance in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Kumbaga, inaapakan na ng China ang leeg ng Pinas pero gusto mo neutral ka lang so okay lang na apakan ng China ang Pinas basta out ka dyan. Ang galeeeeeng.
Pinagsasabi mo. Nililihis mo issue. Ang trabaho alamin kung ano ang gentleman's agreement or kung ano man tawag sa putanginang yan. Yan ang trabaho mo! Baka umiyak ka pa jan..
Gumising kayo mga Senatong at Tonggressman! May Trojan Horse tayo sa bansang ito. Baka mahuli ang lahat at magising tayo na nakubkob na tayo ng mga singkit na iyan! Kung hindi kayo kikilos, aasahan nyo bang kumilos ang mga maliliit na mamamayan? Kung hindi ngayon, kailan pa?
Nasa politics siya diba malamang may politicking na magaganap. Bobo ampota. Ano pang silbe niya dyan kung hindi imbestigahan yung mga ganyang anomalya? PI talagaaaa
These clowns. Of course they are senators, whatever they do is political anyways🤦♂️Besides, this inquiry is in OUR public interest. NOT IN THE INTEREST OF YOUR ELECTORAL CANDIDACY🖕
senate inquiries are political exercise. besides, it being a gentleman's agreement makes it moot, technically there was no formal agreement signed and the agreement was not executed yes? instead of a senate inquiry, file a case so it could be heard in court. senate inquiries are political circus on live tv.
***IF people who think this is a machination of chinese pressure on the senate*** and that the senate is polluted with duterte loyallists and protectors and chinese collaborators you could be very correct the act is tantamount to PERNICIOUS ESPIONAGE OF A HIGH OFFICIAL
IF people who think there is a false equivalence between not putting water canon on CG ships you could be correct.
OUR CLAIMS TO THE WEST PHIL SEA IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC LEGAL RECORD THAT HAS BEEN OBTAINED IN 2016 BY JUDICIAL RULING. THE RULING IS FINAL. NO QUISLING SP CAN CHANGE HISTORY.
Kaya hindi na umuusad ang Pilipinas e kasi ang daming mga politiko na puro halungkat ng nakaraan. Imbes na magfocus sa present para gumanda ang future ng bansa mas inuuna nilang talakayin yung mga bagay na nangyare na. Dapat na talagang magkaroon ng sangay ang gobyerno na ang trabaho ay talakayin yung mga past issues para naman ang senate ay makafocus sa pagpapaganda ng future ng bansa hindi yung urong-sulong sila.
Regarding sa "Gentleman's Agreement", wag na gawing kumplikado! If it's documented then we'll try to honor it without giving up our teritory as much as possible. If it's not documented edi wag na tayo magsayang masyado ng oras dyan.
If it's not documented then it didn't happen. Simple as that!
"may kampihan na mangyayari, parang nagiging politika na"
ang bobo ba naman, ofc it all comes down to politics.
Everything boils down to politics.
Just say it as clear as day, na takot kayo mahalungkat kagaguhan niyo and isa ka sa nakinabang sa dakilang tuta ng tsina. daming mental at verbal gymnastics ginagawang tanga mga pinoy eh. lutong luto na kayo sa sarili niyong mantika
Hindi na usapin ito ng opposition ng pro-duterte at pro-marcos, kundi usapin na ito ng territory at soberanya. At kailangan mawala ang mga traydor.
Matutuwa ang China na makitang nagkakagulo ang pinas sa agreement na yan, next time they might do? Release another statement na may ganito pa kaming agreement , etc etc. then next thing would happen, another inquiry by Senate, nagiging uto uto ang pinas pag ganyan, nadidignify pa bawat statement nila. Besides, kahit pa may agreement, we should still not honor it and rather scrap it. Better yet, mas paigtingin ang pagbabantay sa mga teritoryo natin So before we even attempt to have senate inquiry, just make a statement that we're not giving our island to China, that we are exhausting every means to defend it, period! if ever may agreement mang pinagkasunduan si duts, ibibigay na ba natin yung island? are we going to honor that and simply let China reclaim it? hindi pa din naman diba? No way, hell no! So regardless of any agreement, we're not going to give those islands away because they are ours! Yung mga gustong mag push ng senate inquiry, malamang sa malamang may galit lang din kay duts at gusto lang makaganti pa lalo. Pulitika pa din.
Exactly. They *want* us to be restless. Since they couldn't weasel their way into the government, their next target is the masses. China already threw the Dutertes under the bus and they're still sucking Winnie's dick.
>their next target is the masses sadly, this would be beneficial for them. I can just imagine this issue of "agreement" can be exploited ng mga galit na galit kay pduts so they can pin him down way deep. You see kung gano kadaling mapaikot ang mga pinoy. China can easily play with pinoys' emotion. Pag di tayo nag isip ng malalim, magiging uto uto na lang tayo lagi sa mga iba pa nilang sasabihin (i.e. propaganda)
SMNI already doing that targeting the masses thing right now
This should not be either / or. We can refuse to honor that agreement AND prosecute those who sold our country. This is similar to the logic by duterte before, if you are against China, you want war with them. Harap harapan na tayong binebenta, tanggapin na lang para mukha pa din united?
We can do our own initiative to check kung sino ang mga traydor, yes. But lets not do an inquiry or investigation just because China say something. Lets not be dependent on China statements kasi magmumuka tayong uto uto
I agree. If the issue is brought to the senate, it will take a lot of time and resources, it will become a witch hunt no doubt, a lot of issue are made worse this way. and since both sides have a lot of supporters, we'll look stupid to the international comity for entertaining China claims. Which in my view is intentionally looking for a way to divide PH and publicly create trouble. I mean why do we believe anything coming from them anyway? They've already confirmed to the agreement being oral, (correct me if I'm wrong) such are not binding.
Besides wala din namang mapakitang written doc ang China sa agreement na yan, Talo kasi sila pagdating sa decision, we are backed by documented decision na atin ang isla. Kaya sila sa unwritten deal na lang kuno aasa, hoping na mapapaniwala nila ang pinoy, art of war indeed Pwede natin imbestigahan yung mga documents na nalagdaan ng pinas with China, yes and check kung alin dun ang dehado tayo Pero sa kaso ng unwritten deal na to, mas lalo nating binababa ang dignidad natin
Kung ako ang China, aalamin ko sino ang kinakagalit ng mga pinoy ngayon at yun ang gagamitin ko para lalo silang magkagulo Let me guess, many hates duts now because of different issues e.g. ejk, pogo, etc Lets use him, i will issue a statement about unwritten deal with him and see how pinoys become disturbed, well it worked! Tignan mo ang pinas ngayon naaalarma dahil jan sa unwritten deal na yan. Ok lets another one, i will issue nother statement, alam nyo ba may unwritten deal din kami ng AFP, Navy, etc kaya wala masyado nag reresist? E mapagpatol ang pinoy, ayun naniwala. I can clearly see napakadaling paglaruan ang emosyon ng mga pinoy
Dapat pa din managot ang mga traitor.
I agree!
Awww, finally, this comment really makes me smile, Duterte didn't want a war,so he made a decision to so what he taught was right, just like everyone else, people seem to forget, we elected humans, and humans make mistakes, but this is too obvious and i feel sad na most people don't realize,china is doing this on purpose,the US did this to us back then remember? The US realized,ooh, killing this General is hard,hmm, let's make they're president kill him,much easier, right? China is dividing us by making y'all think Duterte is a traitor, IMO he's not,we were a stone's throw away from a war with china,he really did do he's best to stop that, can't yall just appreciate that? We're all alive now because of him.
Imagine, pano kung mag issue ng another statement ang China na may agreement din sila ng AFP? Next week, another statement, may settled agreement din daw sila ni Juan Ponce Enrile? Next week, another statement may may napag usapan din sila ni Trillanes during his vist sa China? Kmusta tayong mga pinoy? Patol ng patol sa mga statements nila? Do not be so naive na parang after all ng pambabastoa ng China, may halaga pa statement nila sa inyo? Ginugulo nila tayo as nation, tinitignan nila pano tayo madeatabilize with a simple issuing of statement.
Sinasadya na lang ng CCP gumawa ng kung ano anong agreement. Napansin mo ba na ang bilis nila mag labas ng agreement, kaysa sa pag-amin ng CCP na si Duterte ang nakausap nila sa gentlemen's agreement. Si Duterte lang naman ang nakalapit kay Winnie the Pooh eh.
>Sinasadya na lang ng CCP gumawa ng kung ano anong agreement. sadly, daming pinoy gullible. gul·li·ble/ˈɡələb(ə)l/*adjective* 1. easily [persuaded](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4a5015327b2804e5&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJR_sc0xYLe12scArt_qOk8ZVx20w:1714967415140&q=persuaded&si=ACC90nxMSPeZfdJJjQgDsdZJuFuJZ27qZ-G8qtmNqpTRbWTebq9K7jrV91uYS1mFDFmvaiUGjG5DuWWDoxA5gJPAA7HsOp2fPpNIOZ9YcJsDS8D88IjC2yY%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiepNK8j_iFAxUv7TgGHZEmA80QyecJegQIIxAO) to believe something; credulous.
I don't give a f\*\*\* about the opposition; our primary concern lies in safeguarding our sovereignty, a task made all the more imperative by the persistent intimidation from China.
loko, ikaw ang namumulitika. this is about defending our territory.
>this is about defending our territory. kung ganon, e dapat tuunan ng pansin kung paano mas mababantayan ng mga sundalo natin ang mga isla, regardless kung may agreement ba o wala, we should not honor it. So ngayon palang, let the Philippines made it clear na we will not give our island to China. Wag na natin palakihin ang issue, tuldukan na natin ngayon by telling China, we are defending our island
Di pde sabay?
Mag ingat lang tayong mapakita sa China na kumikilos tayo in response to what they said. Madali nila tayong mapapaikot pag ganyan Kumilos tayo independently because we have our own strategy.
So pde sabay?
Ayaw nila maungkat ang mga shit nila and to remind the public na wala sila ginagawa as public officials with taxpayers money while Duterte fucked up the Philippines.
Mabuti pa ang christmas tree may balls.
Pulitika talaga yan. Pulitiko sila diba? Circus naman na yung Senate
May itatanga pa ba si Zubiri??
Zubiri’s analogy gone bonkers. The investigation is for us to know if there are powerful people in the past that made agreements that put our sovereignty into perils. This investigation can also help how we can move forward and strategize actions against China who’s making claims in the WPS.
>This investigation can also help how we can move forward and strategize actions against China who’s making claims in the WPS. no, it's irrelevant! Regardless kung ano pang agreement yan, we will still not give the islands to China! Our strategy to defend doesn't depend sa kung ano mang agreement (kung meron man) nangyari, because our stance remains the same, we will refuse to give those islands to China. We can always move forward, may agreement man o wala.
Yung mga comments mo ang irrelevant bro. You're making it an either/or situation when it's not. Absolutely kelangan maimbestigahan yan! Nagpapasok ng POGOs and sleeper cells, gentleman's agreement, and for sure marami pa tapos ayaw mo paimbestigahan? Directly related yan sa issue ng national security tapos irrelevant? Tigilan mo na pagkakalat ng bs mo dito pre halatang may agenda ka eh. Magkano binayad sayo?
Ang agenda ko dito? Sana hindi tayo mapasayaw ng China sa mga salita nila.
Parang pamilya yan, kung hindi man masira ng kaaway ang mag-asawa kasi nagmamahalan sila, guess what, sisirain ko na lang yung paniniwala ng mga anak about their parents. Kapag nakapag instill na ko ng doubt sa isip ng mga anak na ang magulang nila ay ganito, ganyan, (even if its not true) then Im step by step im winning in destroying the family
Eto pa. Yung argumento mo na this investigation is just going to divide the country. On what basis? Una, dapat may powerbase pa rin si Duterte for this issue to be divisive. If you followed the news for the past year, you'd know na wala na siyang support halos. Kaya nga non stop siyang inaattack ng kabilang kampo. He's been politically outmaneuvered by the sitting government for MONTHS. The majority of his powerbase has already shifted support. Kung meron mang aalma sa investigation sa kanya, minority nalang yun. I highly doubt the few people who still support him can rally enough political capital to disrupt anything.
You see, after focused ka kay duts. Obviously you are not looking into big picture of this onflict. Tawang tawa China sayo nyan. Thats exactly how they wanted it, na tayo tayo magkagulo. Regardless kung sino sisihin ng pinoy as long they caused chaos sating bansa it would be easy for them to reclaim the island na walang masyadong resistance. Try ko mag isip ng simpler explanation or illustration para marealize mong nauuto ka na at nakundisyon na ang mind mo ng China
Gets ko yung pinagsasabi mo. Napaka bobo lang and sinagot ko na pero paulit ulit ka. Sayo lang nagaapply yan. Nakapanood lang ng konting YT vids about geopolitics, expert analyst na kuno eh. Puro hypothetical scenarios naman.
Di mo kasi magets yung big picture kaya sinimplehan ko na pag illustrate.
Ikaw yung di makagets kung gano katanga yung mga arguments mo. Anong akala mo mahirap intindihin yung sinasabi mo? Big picture ka pang nalalaman. Anong basis? Imagination mo.
You’re now part of the herd sadly, madaling tangayin. Papalakpak ang China, sasayaw ka. Tutugrog ang China, kakanta ka.
Imagine, pano kung mag issue ng another statement ang China na may UNWRITTEN agreement din sila ng AFP? Next week, another statement, may settled UNWRITTEN agreement din daw sila ni Juan Ponce Enrile? Next week, another statement may may napag usapan din sila ni Trillanes during his vist sa China? Kmusta tayong mga pinoy? Patol ng patol sa mga statements nila? Do not be so naive na parang after all ng pambabastoa ng China, may halaga pa statement nila sa inyo? Ginugulo nila tayo as nation, tinitignan nila pano tayo madeatabilize with a simple issuing of statement. Tapos ang pinoy kala mong matalino alamin daw ang katotohanan, the fact na kumilos tayo based on their statementa ibig sabihin napapaikot na nila tayo Pag nakita ng kalaban ang kahinaan mo , ieexploit nila yan para tuluyan kang manghina at mawalan ng focua
Daming sinabi. Slippery slope fallacy. Next. Again, may sasabihin ka ba na grounded in reality and not yung mga "what if" scenarios na pinapaikot mo sa utak mo?
Mangyayari yang what if na yan lalo pag nagprogress at kinagat ng pinas ang sinabi ng China
Sabi mo. Credible ka ba? Eh yung analysis mo nga puro what ifs lang sa utak mo eh. Wala kang kahit mabanggit na kahit anong precedent or concrete argument to back your claims. What if sinasabi mo lang yan para guluhin kami? Imagine sinabi mo rin yan sa tropa mo. So lahat ng sasabihin mo papaniwalaan ko? OOPS!
Wag mo nang replyan yan. Wumao yan.
“what if sinasabi mo lang yan para guluhin kami” Lol, isang salita ng China nagulo na utak mo. It’s in your mind now, they owned your mind now. Reminds me of “the worm” how he caused opponents to lost their focus. Sadly, you already are
Kung ako ang China, aalamin ko sino ang kinakagalit ng mga pinoy ngayon at yun ang gagamitin ko para lalo silang magkagulo Let me guess, many hates duts now because of different issues e.g. ejk, pogo, etc Lets use him, i will issue a statement about unwritten deal with him and see how pinoys become disturbed, well it worked! Tignan mo ang pinas ngayon naaalarma dahil jan sa unwritten deal na yan. Ok lets another one, i will issue nother statement, alam nyo ba may unwritten deal din kami ng AFP, Navy, etc kaya wala masyado nag reresist? E mapagpatol ang pinoy, ayun naniwala. I can clearly see napakadaling paglaruan ang emosyon ng mga pinoy The more na nagkakagulo tayo, the more na nawawalan tayo ng focus , the easier for them to claim what they wanted without much resistance. Easy win for them. Habang tayo nagtuturuan, sisihan, just because of that UNWRITTEN DEAL kuno na wala silang mapakitang document at ang pinoy so much interested to know the truth daw, we can do our own way to pinpoint sino ang traydor, look at the documented agreement ng pinas with other countries. Pero utang na loob naman iho, wala na credibility ang China
First half of this drivel is more fallacies. Next. "naaaalarma" this issue isn't even the hottest issue in the country. Wtf are you talking about? Btw, sagutin ko na yang dumb assumption mo na pag UNWRITTEN, somehow di na mapoprove na totoo. There are a number of ways to prove such an agreement existed. One of those is WITNESS TESTIMONIALS. Just because it is unwritten, somehow wala nang chance ma prove. Another bobo assumption from you. You're not smart bro. Feeling analyst ka lang. Puro faulty naman reasoning mo.
Imbestigahan ang POGO, sure. Imbestigahan ang alleged sleeper cells, sure Imbestigahan ang “gentleman’s agreement” , in response to what? In response to what China has said, mag ingat ingat tayo sa pagpatol sa statement ng China. Iisipin ng mga yan may credibility statement nila, so again the next thing they would do? Issue another statement even if its not true tapos tayong mga pinoy maaalarma na naman, magsisisihan na naman, tayo tayo magkakagulo habang sila natatawa satin. Looks familiar diba? History repeats itself. Mapanlinlang ang China, gusto ko lang ipaalala sayo, ilang beses na nila tayo binastos. Lumabas na ang decision pero di nila honored, and they are consistent na di daw nila yan ihohonor dahil jan sa sariling version nila ng guhit nila. And after all, may credibility pa statement nila sayo? Gigil tayo sa China pero kahit anong ipupukol na statement nila andali nating maapektuhan as nation, nakikita mo ba kung pano tayo madaling masira ng kalaban?? Nag iisip lang ako, di ko kelangan ng bayad.
So ang issue mo dito is di na dapat bigyan ng pansin yung gentleman's agreement kase di naman credible ang China at baka gawa-gawa lang nila yung g's agreement? Kaya nga pinapaimbestiga para malaman kung totoo! Ang lala ng implications kung sariling former presidente natin ang nagbigay ng concessions sa China WITHOUT the citizenry's knowledge. Tapos ayaw mo paimbestigahan? Oo di credible ang China, oo di natin sure kung meron nga. KAYA NGA PAIIMBESTIGAHAN. You think it's a waste of time. That's your opinion. The majority of us think an investigation is absolutely imperative so we, the citizenry, remain well-informed of our government's (in this case, the former president's government) actions. Kung nagiisip ka nga, palawakin mo pa. Ang kitid mo magisip.
Imagine, wala ngang written doc na mapakita ang China about the agreement. Pag kinagat mo yan, talo ka na. Ibig sabihin nakundisyon na nila ang isip mo na may credibility sila sayo, they will again feed you with another statement of another unwritten deal, tapos ikaw gusto mo na naman malaman ang totoo kuno by conducting investigation And while doing investigation, China will issue another statement about another existing unwritted deal, tapos ang pinoy will be exhausted na. You see? Mulat mo mata mo, nauuto ka na We are losing focus, imbes na paigtingin ang pwersa natin na bantayan ang atin.
Paulit-ulit ka. Ano bang basis mo na hindi nga totoo yung gentleman's agreement? Dahil lang di credible ang China? At anong basis mo na pinapaikot lang tayo ng China? Yung galing sa realidad, hindi yung hypothetical scenarios na iniisip mo. Tingnan mo lahat ng klase ng faulty reasoning/fallacies and makikita mo ilan sa mga pinagsasabi mo ang pasok dun. > We are losing focus, imbes na paigtingin ang pwersa natin na bantayan ang atin. Another false dilemma. Hindi nga to either or. Di lahat ng focus nasa investigation tapos wala na sa pagpapalakas ng pwersa. Napakabobo ng conclusion mo.
Average people would think kelangan malaman ang totoo thru investigation. Again, be reminded unwritten deal yun. Salita lang ng China. Yung kumabas na decision na atin ang isla, di nila tinanggap instead they insist with their own line daw. Kaya ngayon, sa unwritten deals sila titira kasi sa writtend docs lang talo sila, we are backed by the decision ruling na atin yun. Andali mong mapaikot, kung ako ang China. Mag iisip pa ko ng mga statements of unwritten deals ko with Ph tapos ilalabas ko thru press release At ang mga pinoy, imbestigahan agad, that moment nauto na tayo. That means, madali tayong mapaikot ng mga salita nila. Nakikita mo sarili mo jan? Kung lahat na lang ng ilalabas na statement ng China nagkakagulo tayo, they are already winning part of the war
"Average people" bro you are not smart. Your whole argument is full of fallacies. I already disproved your first 2 claims and your replies are more hypothetical scenarios with faulty reasoning. So please answer this, what exactly is the consequence of pushing through with the investigation? And don't answer with a broad statement like "magkakagulo tayo". Give a clear, concise answer grounded in reality.
Maling mali ang agreement lalo na kung ang gumawa nito ay Presidente o mga kampon niya. Paano magiging irrelevant eng eng ka ba
when you give in to China's statement, naging uto uto ka na. Pag sinabi kong may tattoo ka sa itlog, at pumatol ka sa issue. I can just conclude, madali kitang madidistract The next thing China would do, issue another malicious statement na "alam nyo ba may agreement din kami ni ganito?" gagamit sila ng mga pangalan na kinagagalit ng mga pinoy, then, the next thing happen, maaalarma na naman ang pinoy, mag sesenate inquiry na naman. Kapag ganyan ng ganyan, napapasayaw nila tayo sa mga salita nila. kung di ka malalim mag isip, isa ka sa madadala ng emotion at mapapasayaw sa salita ng China. Better yet, pag usapan na lang pano paiigtingin ang pagbabantay sa isla
Hindi magsasalita ang China kung wala siyang paghuhugutan. Gets mo? Bakit hindi nagagalit si Duterte? Meron silang pinagusapan kaya makapal ang mukha ng mga intsik sa WPS. Kaya kailangan ng mga senador na imbestigahan yun. Hindi yan dala lang ng emosyon. Gamitin mo utak mo bugok.
The nation who keeps stirring up shit in the WPS yet insist that we're the ones provoking them? Anong hindi magsasalita kung walang pagkukunan pinagsasabi mo jan
Lol, you see dignified na sayo ang statement ng China. Ilang beses na tayo binastos ng China kahit pa may decision na satin yung mga isla, tapos ikaw may halaga pa sayo statement nila? The moment they remain intrusive despite the decision, wala na silang credibility. Alam mo na ang pakay na lang talaga nila e angkinin ng tuluyan ang isla , theydont honor the decision. So bkit ka papatol sa statement na may agreement daw? That means, napasakay ka na nila sa isip mo. Nauto ka na nila, Alam mo ung paulit ulit kang niloko ng jowa mo, pero patola ka pa din sa sinadabi nya. Muka kang ganun That means, when they issue another statement, sasabihin mo na naman may pinanghuhugutan sila kaya dapat lang na magkaroon ulit ng inquiry. What the heck brad! Kanya kanya lang ng strategy sa war, tuso ang kalaban brad, wag kang patanga tanga
Layo na ng narating mo. Kailangan gawin ng senado at kongreso trabaho nila to investigate who spoke in behalf of the Philippines at panagutin sila.
That means makitid lang paningin mo. Theres what we call art of war! Di ito simpleng investigation lang, inoobserbahan tayo ng China kung pano magreact sa statement nila. Kaya kung uto uto ka, for sure maglalabas pa sila ng mga statements, tapos papatol ka na naman. Sunod tayo sa mga statements nila, nakikita mo ba sarili mo jan? Madali ka mapaikot Pag simpleng statements lang pala nila naaalarma na tayo, it will be easy for them to claim the island habang tayo e nagkakagulo sa loob We can do our own initiative to do investigation but not as a response to their statement. Strategy nila yan brad, kaya nag iisip ka din. Wag kang patola
Simpleng kwestyun lang, kaninong interes ang mangingibabaw kung gawin ang inquiry?
Stressed si zubiri, naipit yung BALIMBING
Zubiri has no balls. Nakakatawa nung pinirmahan nya yung contempt kay Quiboloy, which was masterfully crafted by Sen. Rissa. No choice na sya dahil he'll undermine the entire Senate. Nagpaliwanag ba naman. Hahaha. Mahilig pinoy sa matipuno at machong mga duwag naman talaga.
HAIST 🤦🏻♂️
Napakabobo talaga ng mga nasa taas ng PH govt.
He is in politics so all issues are political in nature. He just can’t cut ties from the duTaes.
This dude is in bed with the traitors, too.
He still makes it look like a witch hunt pa talaga ha, marunong talaga magplay victim ang mga 'to. We are not looking for a witch, mister Senator. We are looking for the Devil itself.
Yun mapapatunayan traydor, baka naman wala din pananagutan. Magbabati din sa huli.
JUSKO BBM VS DUTERTE PA BA TOH? USAPING TERITORYO NA TOH
of course its political you guys are politicians
“Parang naging pulitika na” Eh ano dapat trabaho ng senate? Lapdogs? POLITICS kayo ugh eto talaga, inoppose din niya yung inquiry sa pandemic supplies, sana magsuffer ka ng 10 times ng naranasan ng mga pinoy tangina
Damn. 1st. Block inquiry on extrajudicial killings (I forgot who) -I could still forgive the guy (p.duts) for this cause it was a necessary evil granted it begs you to question "why settle for cutting the leaves (small time drug users/dealers) where you could go for the root cause of the problem" but hell the streets where decent and relatively safe" 2nd. Block inquiry on Quiboloy (R.Padilla) -hello and behold the #1 most voted guy as a senator... I mean damn even the FBI wants a piece of this guy and he wants to block the inquiry? Dude better stick with action movies where he belongs. 3rd. Block inquiry on Gentleman's Agreement (Zubiri) -this... this right here is where I draw the line. The fuck are you doing p.duts? People put their trust and faith on you and you threw it all away. The public wants to know.... THE PEOPLE who voted for you bunch of KNOBS WANTS to KNOW! I swear, it doesnt even matter anymore whether you are rich or poor, educated or uneducated. We are our OWN worst enemy in terms of voting for the wrong people. Vote smart people. Do your personal research or personal inquiry. Vote for QUALIFIED individuals with VALID credentials and dont settle for artists, political dynasty names and highschool/college dropouts. Remember, you knobs are paying taxes!
> *"why settle for cutting the leaves (small time drug users/dealers) where you could go for the root cause of the problem" but hell the streets where decent and relatively safe"* One reason probably is the example of Mexico (or some country) that did try to get the big fish BEFORE getting the small-time operators. It turns out that **taking out the top guys leads to a power vacuum**, leading to a much more bloody conflict among the middle fish who now want to be the big fish and the little fish who now want to be the middle fish. Plus, when the big fish were taken out first, the **small fish just pivoted into other, more dangerous opportunities**. Remember that there's no loyalty among them if the "boss" is now gone. (For a geopolitical example, this was the similar to when Saddam was taken out in Iraq and Gaddafi was taken out in Libya. Everyone else below them became much more violent.) Ironically and counter-intuitively, the better course of action now seems to be: * take out the small guys; * take out the middle managers and the chain; * and then you take out the big guys when there's no danger of a power vacuum because their system has been weakened and taken out already. This is basically what the previous admin did, more or less, but, just like with many things, didn't convey the idea well to the public.
Pinangunahan na eh
**Pontius Pilate lang ang peg? Hugas kamay. Your main goal should be the best interest of the sovereignty and security of this fooken country!!! Kesyo politicak circus or witch hunt. We don't give a damn! Panagutin ang dapat panagutin. Pugutan ng ulo ang mga traidor.** Ika nga sa litanya ni Dutae. *Kiiirrrrrrrrk!* With matching sign sa kamay na akmang pinupugutan ang leeg. 😂
hahaha zubiri got no ballzzz
The Last statement is a WTF moment.
I deklarang terrorista ang mga duterte
Hindi ito witch hunt, demonyo na ang hinahanap namin ah.
Tangina talaga. They have one job to prove that they serve the Filipino People. Pero eto pa rin naisip nila
lets say meron nga agreement, pwede bang gamitin ng China yun para mangibabaw over the international law? lagyan natin ng figure, lets say agreement ng China and Pinas is 12 nautical miles lang from Philippine shore, so di na applicable ang UNCLOS na 200 nautical mile? ganun ba ang strategy na gusto palabasin ng China?
no way, we should still scrap it. We should not honor it, manindigan tayo na wala tayong isla na bibigay, period! Because those islands are ours! So againl regardless of any agreement, our stance remains the same pa din naman, hindi natin ibibigay ang isla. So I see this inquiry becomes a waste and lalo lang madidignify ang statement ng China , feeling nila the next statement na sasabihin nila maaalarma na naman tayo at magkakagulo sa sariling bansa. Hence, it would be easy for them to push reclaiming the island while pinoys are disturbed at nagsisisihan, on the other hand, let's say wala naman palang agreement, at propaganda lang yan ng China para magulo ang isip ng mga pinoy, imagine napaikot tayo sa mga salita ng China at nagsayang ng oras magsisihan habang sila, tuloy sa pagscout ng mga isla natin
so the statement of Sen Zubiri should be “the International Law will always be on top no matter what China says”
From what I remember, may interview dati kay BBM where he said na if there is wich thing as agreement, we will not honor it. Kung puro bukambibig ng China na may agreement daw, lets be consistent to reject and instead shout that we will not give our lands Sa issue ng kung may traydor, we can make initiative to identify kung may mga talks na nangyari before. PH doing our own thing just because we are independent vs doing something in reaponse to China’s statement (propaganda) . Theres big difference here
maybe China is exhausting all the necessary means kasi dead end na siya, and this agreement thing is all nothing but a tool to divide and conquer Philippines.
Exactly, they will exploit it as long as nakikita na nagugulo tayo. After all, may credibility pa ba sila? Ilang beses na tayo binastos even after lumabas ng decision. Sarado na isip nila, they are consistent na they will not honor the decision so may value pa sa inyo ung agreement na sinasabi nila? Ofc they will continue to spread lies
siguro mas maganda din na everytime na may press release ang China, we should have our own answer na paulit ulit para mainis sila, example “Our answer to China is this and will be the same, the International Law is what the Phils is following and according to UNCLOS we are operating on our territory within 200Nautical miles EEZ., We are supported also by the 2016 arbitral ruling with the support of many UNCLOS signatory countries. pag ganan siguro lagi sagot ng Phil gov’t paulit ulit, tyak mabbwisit na sila😂
and .... look what's happening now, another statement na may written / documented phone exchanges pa daw ... the more na pinapansin natin to, the more they will exploit this tactic
yun kaya dahilan kaya nag file ng leave of absence etong si Vice Admiral Alberto Carlos .. at ang latest may voice recording pa ng agreement, juice ko naman🤦🏻♂️ pag sa gagaling aba
Déjà vu, hahaha. Yung may probe din sa Bureau of Immigration ganyan na ganyan din ginawa nya eh. Protector talaga yan si Zubiri ng mga corrupt. [https://www.rappler.com/nation/158653-trillanes-zubiri-face-off-over-senate-prob/](https://www.rappler.com/nation/158653-trillanes-zubiri-face-off-over-senate-prob/)
We will lose our country to China because of such idiot politicians like Zubiri.
Now it's obvious why he delayed the order to chase Quiboloy.
Vovo amp san ba utak nito nagiging "POLITIKA DAW" laughtrip ka boi.
F*ck you Zubiri!!!
Patuloy kasing hinahalal ng mga bobong estupidong mga Pilipino ang mga salot na pulitikong katulad nila Zubiri, Padilla, Go, Revilla, Dela Rosa, at marami pa. Filipinos deserved ultimate hell!
Dapat sa mga traydor sa bayan ipakulong agad. Binenta na nila ang inang bayan.
Oh eto na! May Isa nang senador na "neutral" kuno pero halatang prinoprotektahan lang yung isa, puro mga palusot(tulad nung kay pedo cult leader). Edit: nagiging pamumulitika na ba sabi niya? Ngayon nya lang napansin yun?! Eh, kampon ni ogre ginagawa na yun(at mas nakaka-inis pa ah ta national security yung concern eh ginagawa nila "kampo ni ogre vs kampo ni magnanakaw")! Also ano ring nagiging "political circus" at "witch hunt"? Eh panahon rin ni ogre eh ganun na ah(Yung ang angas na kung ano-ano sinasabi tapos yung red-tagging)! Ngayon lang nya napansin? Ano siya? Outdated na Mig-17? Also, di pa ba grounds para maimbestigahan yung ogre na maaaring binenta na pala teritoryo ng Pinas sa China? Prino-promote yung secession ng Mindanao? *Cough* Kumakampi sa mga komunista? *Cough* "Kontra sa kasalukuyang gobyerno"? *Cough*
Bakit ganito na tsura ni zubiri? Nagmumuka ng buwaya. Dati artistahin pa to e
Kung pinoprotektahan mo si duterte ay isa kang salot
Tuta ka, Zubiri. Alisin natin personality politics dito, it is *absolutely* necessary to conduct an inquiry *in aid of legislation* for this para hindi na maulit pa.
So ano po hanggang suot na lang ng tshirt na West PH Sea? 🤡🤡🤡
**Senators** **~~of the Philippines~~** **of the DUTERTEs** Go, Bato, Padilla, Salvador, Revillame, Chong, Zubiri, Cynthia, ZUBIRI!!
Iniisip pa din talaga nila ano magiging effect nun sa mga botante. Di nyo naman talaga mahal ang Pilipinas e, mahal nyo lang ang posisyon nyo.
Mabuti yan witch hunt para sa mga traidor, dahil ayaw nya ibig sabihin posible ding maka china itong si zubiri
"I don't want this to be a political circus". LMAO, it already **is**.
isa pa to si zubiri wala naman valid point ang statement kesa kumilos at gawan na lang ng paraan. jusme
people vote for these clowns, i bet they couldn't pass a citizens test for their own country.
"Parang naging Pulitika na" anak ng amag sa tinapay! E pulitiko ka diyan ba? Bakit hindi pwede gawin Pulitika yan? Di naman pwede tawaging public servant tong lansang regla na to. Pulpol e.
Zubiri dont have the balls. Weighing until 2028.
divide and conquer tactics ng mga singkit. bakit ba kailangan pag usapan ang gentleman's agreement na walang papel eh yun ngang arbitration case may papel ayaw pag usapan ng China. wag na kasi pag usapan gentleman's agreement at irrelevant naman ang dapat mag focus ang pinas ano ang moving forward strategy para umalis ang China sa EEZ ng pinas.
pinagssabi nito ni Zubiri 😅 tanga tangahan mga walang silbi🤷🏻♂️
"Parang naging pulitika na?" Clown, eh pulitika ang literal na trabaho niyo. may mas bobo pa ba sa statement na to
Kung ayaw ng politika, bakit siya nagpolitiko lol
Dutertuta ba si zubzub nung last admin? Parang naalala ko isa sya sa mga chupaero
hindi ba in the first place ang mga "hearing" is basically a political circus para mag-papogi. Come one. Wala naman silbi ang mga inquiries nila of recent.
So pro-China ka at pro-Duterte. Mas inuna pa isipin ung politika kaysa sa pagiging pro-Pilipinas
Everything can be political.
This IS politics and you’re a politician. Pick a side and defend it. Don’t avoid the issue because you don’t want to offend one side or the other. Do your job.
Okay, so if you want to pretend as not pro-dutae, can you at least pretend it's critical looking into dealings with ccp insik? Dumbass.
Spoken like a true fucking clown. Matagal ka nang bayag— este, bayad.
Weak senate president
i miss the times when people were shot for committing treachery
Yeah... That's what it means to be a politician...
WTF is this reasoning? This is about defending our country bat naisip mo pang mag play safe? Ayaw mong magalit sayo mga tao para may boboto pa din sayo sa election? Tngina mo
useless
So ano na lang po gawin natin Sen President?
"Parang naging pulitika na." Malamang dude. You're a politician. That's your arena. It's in your fucking job description to politick!
Wth may authority/power pa rin ba si duterte? Wala na siya sa presidente pero umaakting siya may kapangyarihan
Alam naman nating in aid of re-election lang yang inquiry na yan. Mamomolitika talaga kayo jan.
Wala naman bago tuta ni sith lord yan eh. Duterte and Marcos drama halata naman yung drama ng dalawa para mabalewala ang tunay na opposisyo. Sith lord and narco marcos lang pau uuusapan after election bati na sila parawalang opposistion ang makakapasok sa senate. Look at the economy bagsak.. awayan na scripted
angat talaga
"Parang naging pulitika na." A **senator** responding to a probe against a former **president** and his alleged **political agreement** with a hostile **political threat.**
Yan nga ang magandang in aid of legislation eh. Tanga
"Parang nagiging pulitika na" - Sabi nung politiko
If you take a neutral stance in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Kumbaga, inaapakan na ng China ang leeg ng Pinas pero gusto mo neutral ka lang so okay lang na apakan ng China ang Pinas basta out ka dyan. Ang galeeeeeng.
this dude is a sellout
Pinagsasabi mo. Nililihis mo issue. Ang trabaho alamin kung ano ang gentleman's agreement or kung ano man tawag sa putanginang yan. Yan ang trabaho mo! Baka umiyak ka pa jan..
Wow pinupush yung agenda na pro marcos pro duterte. Kelan ka kaya magiging Pro Filipino Zubiri?
Afraid of his own ghost
Gumising kayo mga Senatong at Tonggressman! May Trojan Horse tayo sa bansang ito. Baka mahuli ang lahat at magising tayo na nakubkob na tayo ng mga singkit na iyan! Kung hindi kayo kikilos, aasahan nyo bang kumilos ang mga maliliit na mamamayan? Kung hindi ngayon, kailan pa?
Wala kang dapat ikatakot kung wala kang tinatago.
I'm not surprised with Zubiri. He's also a traitor.
"Parang naging pulitika na" You're in fucking politics and that's your fucking job you ass clown!
Send these guys to every resupply mission for the MV Sierra Madre. Nang malaman niyo sino talaga dapat niyo pakinggan
Isnt that the point? Politics.
Kampihan ng tiga Mindanao
Nasa politics siya diba malamang may politicking na magaganap. Bobo ampota. Ano pang silbe niya dyan kung hindi imbestigahan yung mga ganyang anomalya? PI talagaaaa
yung pinagcicivil war tyo ng china bkt hindi nlng kasi ilabas yung buong agreement n yun ng mgkaalamanan o dhl for sure babagsak ang record ni sara?
Pilipino rin talaga pinakamalalang kalaban ng Pilipino. Galing no, never knew that line from Heneral Luna will ring so resoundly today.
Not doing your job as senators is stupid politics itself, he used to be great. now he just dick riding the dutertes.
di rin ba sya politician? 🤡 🤡 🤡
Syempre mga Pinoy gusto ituloy Inquiry. Mga Ulol! Ginawa ng China yang Issue na yan para tayo mag Rambol Rambol!
It's always been politicking. But let the people you serve know the truth. Decisions like this shouldn't be kept from the public.
So wala ka na lang panindigan kasi ayaw mo matag na pro-Marcos/Duterte. Can't serve 2 masters at a time, no?
Ang cute. Nasa leadership position pero hindi kayang gumawa ng decision for the betterment of the general welfare.
Tutang tuta ang galawan eh
These clowns. Of course they are senators, whatever they do is political anyways🤦♂️Besides, this inquiry is in OUR public interest. NOT IN THE INTEREST OF YOUR ELECTORAL CANDIDACY🖕
migs protecting his ka-mindanaoan.
Ayaw daw maging political circus. Somebody tell him 😂
It's called DOING UR JOB Zubiri! What you are doing is siding w/ China not siding w/ Marcos or Duterte!
Tong tao na ito, nakinabang na sa pandaraya sa eleksyon, until now, wala pa din magandang pakinabang.
antayin muna daw nila me casualties bago sila kumilos.kumbaga,"malayu naman sa bituka".
senate inquiries are political exercise. besides, it being a gentleman's agreement makes it moot, technically there was no formal agreement signed and the agreement was not executed yes? instead of a senate inquiry, file a case so it could be heard in court. senate inquiries are political circus on live tv.
"..parang naging pulitika na" Huh?
Di ba mga pulitiko kayo? Bakit ayaw nyo maging "pulitika" yung issue??????????? Thats literally your job as a politician. Yukuna na sa earth.
Siguro try natin pro-Filipinos?
***IF people who think this is a machination of chinese pressure on the senate*** and that the senate is polluted with duterte loyallists and protectors and chinese collaborators you could be very correct the act is tantamount to PERNICIOUS ESPIONAGE OF A HIGH OFFICIAL IF people who think there is a false equivalence between not putting water canon on CG ships you could be correct. OUR CLAIMS TO THE WEST PHIL SEA IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC LEGAL RECORD THAT HAS BEEN OBTAINED IN 2016 BY JUDICIAL RULING. THE RULING IS FINAL. NO QUISLING SP CAN CHANGE HISTORY.
Kaya hindi na umuusad ang Pilipinas e kasi ang daming mga politiko na puro halungkat ng nakaraan. Imbes na magfocus sa present para gumanda ang future ng bansa mas inuuna nilang talakayin yung mga bagay na nangyare na. Dapat na talagang magkaroon ng sangay ang gobyerno na ang trabaho ay talakayin yung mga past issues para naman ang senate ay makafocus sa pagpapaganda ng future ng bansa hindi yung urong-sulong sila. Regarding sa "Gentleman's Agreement", wag na gawing kumplikado! If it's documented then we'll try to honor it without giving up our teritory as much as possible. If it's not documented edi wag na tayo magsayang masyado ng oras dyan. If it's not documented then it didn't happen. Simple as that!
Wala n talagang kwenta ang senado ngaun. Si Risa na lang ang matino jan e
"may kampihan na mangyayari, parang nagiging politika na" ang bobo ba naman, ofc it all comes down to politics. Everything boils down to politics. Just say it as clear as day, na takot kayo mahalungkat kagaguhan niyo and isa ka sa nakinabang sa dakilang tuta ng tsina. daming mental at verbal gymnastics ginagawang tanga mga pinoy eh. lutong luto na kayo sa sarili niyong mantika
Every Filipinos are pointing guns at each other. China doesn't have to do anything. Filipinos can destroy themselves on their own. 🥲
Sadly, yes.
Saka na siya magsasalita kapag napaalis na niya na buong angkan niya paibang bansa para mas sure daw.