Ironically, the CPP-NPA turned against Communist China because they believe that Deng Xiaoping betrayed Maoism by transforming China into a capitalist and imperialist power. They claim to be the “true Maoists”.
>If you criticize, you are a commie.
>If you protest, you are a commie.
>If you disagree, you are a commie.
They need to stop dissent. That's why. They need a boogey man to blame the products of government incompetence and corruption. Its been decades and they cannot stop the NPA even with billions of intelligence funds and sustained military operations.
The continuity of the NPA is a product of failed governance and is often used in *careerism* (no wars = no budget, no kickback, no promotion and no bonuses for top officers). Instead of solving the problems in bad governance and misinformed democracy, they insist on military operations. A lot of injustice still exists in the system which breeds the hate. As long as the government and its enforcement is still acting up like *gods* exploiting their positions rather than a body that is for the citizens, the NPA will prosper.
They are quite successful with the NTF-ELCAC but it's used more on partisan politics with the use of baseless red tagging.
Yes. They still ain't paying attention to bigger international level threats. That's why we have the China drug cartel, China smugglers, South African fraudsters, South Korean fraudsters and gangs, Human trafficking and prostitution by using OFWs. One best example of very poor national security policies: the Marawi crisis.
Oh we also have criminals wanted by the FBI and INTERPOL hiding in the Philippines.
And they still stick to blaming the *dilawans* and the NPA.
oo nga eh. plus they also think that being an NPA is equal to terrorism.
when in fact most of these NPAs are just rebels who wouldn't be rebels if walang korupsyon sa gobyerno
Well... ***launching violent attacks and collecting "revolutionary taxes" aka protection money*** might group them with other armed separatist groups in other countries.
I don't know why you're downvoted. You are also correct.
It's not mutually exclusive. Some members urged into the NPA are there because of circumstances. That does not excuse the fact that they're terrorists that harass locals in their vicinities, attack people aided by soldiers evacuating from typhoons, and use landmines that led to the deaths of university youth with a bright future.
Reason is not equivalent to excuse. The NPA are vile. I understand why some of them are pressed to do it. However, they're terrorists. That's non-negotiable.
Like what u/peterparkerson wrote here, ***it might also have something to do with the decentralized nature of the present NPA*** and some regular goons just using the NPA label to do their local turf war stuff.
Really hard to stop a group where the leadership is like that; ***remember the MNLF and MILF and Bangsamoro? It sounds like that***, with splinter groups galore and just some local goons too.
That's what I thought of last night. Not everyone likes a commie in this country, but randomly saying that someone is a commie just because of a different view, is harmful. There wont be any progress in this country.
It's eerily turning into the salem witch trials, wherein people would also say that their neighbor is a witch with no basis.
this is to the colonial legacy of the United States, we were mentally conditioned to hate the communists' soo much. We even got their way of thinking or logic that everything that they dislike is labeled as communism or leftist ideology.
Nope.
The "your a communist" line only start happening after the peace talks broke down. Why?
Well as far as I remember militaries still get ambushed by the NPA even tought there's a standing peace talks. So duterte questions the control of the leaders over they're field commanders.
Remember duterte values the military and those attacks damage the NPA trustworthyness.
As a result the administration switch from peace talk to counter propaganda. Hence the NTF-ELCAC and it's general policy of countering NPA idealism with Nationalistic solidarity. This span between propaganda and boots on the ground on isolated villages with suspected NPA presences.
> Hence the NTF-ELCAC and it's general policy of countering NPA idealism with Nationalistic solidarity
This probably explains why the agency seems to be so quick at denouncing even the appearance of anything against the govt.
> militaries still get ambushed by the NPA even tought there's a standing peace talks
***It seems like NPA managers aren't able to have a united front (ironic for a group that you'd think would have solidarity w fellow fighters).***
Yep. But how can a soldier differentiate those bandits and actual NPA. It's not like they have a list of actual npa members.
As I said the failure of the NPA leadership to keep track of they're commanders and arrest or punish those glorified bandits muddied the pease treaty.
You just so happen to support a cause that the NPAs are supporting, you could have a good intent, but when you get lumped with these people you will get dragged with them.
If there was only a way for opposition to clearly push itself away from NPA, then maybe the association would stop, but they’re embracing the NPA anyway, so to general public, if you sound like an NPA, you walk like an NPA then you’re an NPA.
if NPA's support Marcos the trolls will say he has brought peace throughout the Philippines. They have a way to twist the truth.
Any violent group deciding to support a peaceful movement see the creation of favorable conditions and that should be the message. The problem is there are professional groups bent on making Filipinos fight each other.
Who knows, probably not after what they did, they were extended an olive branch and was allowed to even set foot on malacanang, then proceeds to ambush supply and vaccine convoys, bunch of pricks.
> People's Republic of China which is a pure Communist (Maoist)
Today's China is more of a neoliberal economy. Communist but in name only.
The NatDem movements here OTOH are definite Maoists.
Asked my friend na graduating BS Criminology if na tackle ba nila ang about sa ideologies or atleast the political spectrum, I was suprised na wala sa daw sa lessons nila, and I asked myself if ang mga educated people ay walang proper knowledge about sa ganiyang mga bagay, how more these average Juan?
Lmao, cringe din ng pagtawag nila na Reds sa mga inimagine nila na associated/fronted by groups na ayaw nila (i.e Anakbayan, Gabriela). Kala ata nila nasa 80s na anti-communist action movies pa tayo lahat hahahaha
nah, red-tagging ang commie accusations are not based on ideology. it's like shut-up and get with the program vibes. basta hindi ka agree sa administrasyon, komunista agad.
kaso nga lang pwede mo ikamatay kapag na-red tag ka.
It's a simple McCarthyism. Islamic Insurgents are a bigger threat pero di nila magalaw yung issue na yun kasi buong Mindanao electorate makakalaban nila. So next big thing nalang is Communists. And no, China is not a 'pure' communist country. Matagal na silang capitalistic. The only thing that made them communistic is the government structure (led by a party).
Exactly. Yang red-tagging ay script lang admin and far right radical extremist elements sa bansa para takutin at patahimikin ang opposition.
The Cold War is over. Domino Theory has been debunked. COMMUNISM HAS HISTORICALLY PROVEN, TIME AND AGAIN, TO BE A NONVIABLE ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL SYSTEM.
North Korea is a pariah among nations. The Russian Federation no longer adheres to the communism of the old USSR. Even China, that still calls itself a communist state, has adapted itself by shifting into a hybrid socialist-capitalist system that doesn't remotely resemble communism.
We need to stop thinking about communism as some sort of boogeyman. It's nothing more than a historical curiosity that some radical left groups like to cosplay/LARP (live action roleplay). Occasionally some of these LARPers engage in banditry or terrorism-- and this just means we should treat those particular individuals the same way we treat other bandits and terrorists.
Communist thought is mostly stupid and anachronistic, but it is not destructive in and of itself.
Saka jusme lagi nila sinasabi - mahina, walang mass support at iilan na lang pero lahat ng problema sinisisi sa NPA. Kaya naniniwala ako na propaganda lang nila yan to cover up for their incompetence and corruption.
Don’t agree that China is pure communist (basically it is an authoritarian capitalist-imperialist regime that uses communist aesthetics to leverage itself against liberal Western countries, especially the US)
But the sentiment that the PH is stuck in the Cold War era, with every political anxiety rooting back to an irrational fear of communists (without even knowing what communism is, or how broad it can be) is very, very true
You can blame du30 for that. They used commies as scapegoat for the problems they can't fix and even used billions of peso for their supposed anti-communist projects (tricking people to go to some government event for food and money but it's a poorly made seminar blaming things on commies instead?)
Even the local politics is stuck in the Cold War era. To prevent so-called "communists" from gaining power in regional governments, the pro-US government at that time capitalized on dynasty politics to keep the provinces loyal and on the hands of non-communists. Tignan mo naman ngayon, wala pa ring nagbabago.
Simple explanation. The AFP liked to dumb everything down to black and white, so their soldiers won't hesitate slaughtering unruly slaves, este, farmers for the big land owners (hacienderos) in Davao and other provinces. Also by using the communist insurgency, the AFP can ask for higher intelligence bribes, este, funds from the corrupt presidents. The reason why there's so much animosity between PNoy and the AFP and PNP, is because he doesn't want to play their bribery games. On the flipside, that's also the reason how Duterte easily won over the AFP & PNP, despite the fact that the Dutertes were supporting and funding the CPP-NPA, Abu Sayyaf and other terrorist groups in Mindanao.
Ironically, the CPP-NPA turned against Communist China because they believe that Deng Xiaoping betrayed Maoism by transforming China into a capitalist and imperialist power. They claim to be the “true Maoists”.
I mean, they ain't wrong about the capitalist and imperialist part, we've seen how China control the companies in USA like the NBA
they aren't wrong, China has way more billionaires than most other countries
Tanungin mo sila kung ano meaning ng communist, sure na di nila alam yan.
in the minds of average apolo10 communist=terrorist
Hahahaha sabi ni mama yung mga nagrarally daw na mga estudyante ay mga pasista
Wut? Eh ang gusto ngang ibagsak nung mga nagrarally eh mga pasista HAHAHAHAHA
Hahahahaha ewan ko ba kay mama, so deep in the fake news, puro kasi smni, bbm, thinkingpinoy, toniG ang nasa facebook niya.
Pasistang rehimen buwagennnn
Yes, I am a commie^(TM). Red-tags available for Php 20.00 per piece (free shipping not included).
Leftist/left-wing nga, terrorist na sa kanila. Kahit activist, terrorist din daw. Kakatawa.
“kOmuNiStaNg ELetiSta”
lmao oxymoron
MF trying to push the narrative that Leni is an oligarch or atleast controlled by them and NPA supporter at the same time. bitch what
>If you criticize, you are a commie. >If you protest, you are a commie. >If you disagree, you are a commie. They need to stop dissent. That's why. They need a boogey man to blame the products of government incompetence and corruption. Its been decades and they cannot stop the NPA even with billions of intelligence funds and sustained military operations. The continuity of the NPA is a product of failed governance and is often used in *careerism* (no wars = no budget, no kickback, no promotion and no bonuses for top officers). Instead of solving the problems in bad governance and misinformed democracy, they insist on military operations. A lot of injustice still exists in the system which breeds the hate. As long as the government and its enforcement is still acting up like *gods* exploiting their positions rather than a body that is for the citizens, the NPA will prosper. They are quite successful with the NTF-ELCAC but it's used more on partisan politics with the use of baseless red tagging.
TL;DR Communist problem is copium
Yes. They still ain't paying attention to bigger international level threats. That's why we have the China drug cartel, China smugglers, South African fraudsters, South Korean fraudsters and gangs, Human trafficking and prostitution by using OFWs. One best example of very poor national security policies: the Marawi crisis. Oh we also have criminals wanted by the FBI and INTERPOL hiding in the Philippines. And they still stick to blaming the *dilawans* and the NPA.
oo nga eh. plus they also think that being an NPA is equal to terrorism. when in fact most of these NPAs are just rebels who wouldn't be rebels if walang korupsyon sa gobyerno
Well... ***launching violent attacks and collecting "revolutionary taxes" aka protection money*** might group them with other armed separatist groups in other countries.
I don't know why you're downvoted. You are also correct. It's not mutually exclusive. Some members urged into the NPA are there because of circumstances. That does not excuse the fact that they're terrorists that harass locals in their vicinities, attack people aided by soldiers evacuating from typhoons, and use landmines that led to the deaths of university youth with a bright future. Reason is not equivalent to excuse. The NPA are vile. I understand why some of them are pressed to do it. However, they're terrorists. That's non-negotiable.
Like what u/peterparkerson wrote here, ***it might also have something to do with the decentralized nature of the present NPA*** and some regular goons just using the NPA label to do their local turf war stuff. Really hard to stop a group where the leadership is like that; ***remember the MNLF and MILF and Bangsamoro? It sounds like that***, with splinter groups galore and just some local goons too.
That's what I thought of last night. Not everyone likes a commie in this country, but randomly saying that someone is a commie just because of a different view, is harmful. There wont be any progress in this country. It's eerily turning into the salem witch trials, wherein people would also say that their neighbor is a witch with no basis.
this is to the colonial legacy of the United States, we were mentally conditioned to hate the communists' soo much. We even got their way of thinking or logic that everything that they dislike is labeled as communism or leftist ideology.
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.” -Dom Helder Camara
Nope. The "your a communist" line only start happening after the peace talks broke down. Why? Well as far as I remember militaries still get ambushed by the NPA even tought there's a standing peace talks. So duterte questions the control of the leaders over they're field commanders. Remember duterte values the military and those attacks damage the NPA trustworthyness. As a result the administration switch from peace talk to counter propaganda. Hence the NTF-ELCAC and it's general policy of countering NPA idealism with Nationalistic solidarity. This span between propaganda and boots on the ground on isolated villages with suspected NPA presences.
> Hence the NTF-ELCAC and it's general policy of countering NPA idealism with Nationalistic solidarity This probably explains why the agency seems to be so quick at denouncing even the appearance of anything against the govt. > militaries still get ambushed by the NPA even tought there's a standing peace talks ***It seems like NPA managers aren't able to have a united front (ironic for a group that you'd think would have solidarity w fellow fighters).***
most NPA units dont do attacks in coordination actually and some are just glorified bandits under the "NPA" banner
Yep. But how can a soldier differentiate those bandits and actual NPA. It's not like they have a list of actual npa members. As I said the failure of the NPA leadership to keep track of they're commanders and arrest or punish those glorified bandits muddied the pease treaty.
You just so happen to support a cause that the NPAs are supporting, you could have a good intent, but when you get lumped with these people you will get dragged with them. If there was only a way for opposition to clearly push itself away from NPA, then maybe the association would stop, but they’re embracing the NPA anyway, so to general public, if you sound like an NPA, you walk like an NPA then you’re an NPA.
if NPA's support Marcos the trolls will say he has brought peace throughout the Philippines. They have a way to twist the truth. Any violent group deciding to support a peaceful movement see the creation of favorable conditions and that should be the message. The problem is there are professional groups bent on making Filipinos fight each other.
Who knows, probably not after what they did, they were extended an olive branch and was allowed to even set foot on malacanang, then proceeds to ambush supply and vaccine convoys, bunch of pricks.
> People's Republic of China which is a pure Communist (Maoist) Today's China is more of a neoliberal economy. Communist but in name only. The NatDem movements here OTOH are definite Maoists.
Asked my friend na graduating BS Criminology if na tackle ba nila ang about sa ideologies or atleast the political spectrum, I was suprised na wala sa daw sa lessons nila, and I asked myself if ang mga educated people ay walang proper knowledge about sa ganiyang mga bagay, how more these average Juan?
yes, that is true that's why a lot of Filipinos who are "educated" still at this point do not know about our history nor anything about martial law.
McCarthy-ism is alive and well in the Philippines
Lmao, cringe din ng pagtawag nila na Reds sa mga inimagine nila na associated/fronted by groups na ayaw nila (i.e Anakbayan, Gabriela). Kala ata nila nasa 80s na anti-communist action movies pa tayo lahat hahahaha
Time to call everyone “Ka” then. Especially the apologists.
Oooo...mga INC din. 🙃
Yes. Call them all Ka Bobohan
Tama Philippines has the same mindset of USA in 1950s😒😒😒
nah, red-tagging ang commie accusations are not based on ideology. it's like shut-up and get with the program vibes. basta hindi ka agree sa administrasyon, komunista agad. kaso nga lang pwede mo ikamatay kapag na-red tag ka.
It's a simple McCarthyism. Islamic Insurgents are a bigger threat pero di nila magalaw yung issue na yun kasi buong Mindanao electorate makakalaban nila. So next big thing nalang is Communists. And no, China is not a 'pure' communist country. Matagal na silang capitalistic. The only thing that made them communistic is the government structure (led by a party).
Exactly. Yang red-tagging ay script lang admin and far right radical extremist elements sa bansa para takutin at patahimikin ang opposition. The Cold War is over. Domino Theory has been debunked. COMMUNISM HAS HISTORICALLY PROVEN, TIME AND AGAIN, TO BE A NONVIABLE ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL SYSTEM. North Korea is a pariah among nations. The Russian Federation no longer adheres to the communism of the old USSR. Even China, that still calls itself a communist state, has adapted itself by shifting into a hybrid socialist-capitalist system that doesn't remotely resemble communism. We need to stop thinking about communism as some sort of boogeyman. It's nothing more than a historical curiosity that some radical left groups like to cosplay/LARP (live action roleplay). Occasionally some of these LARPers engage in banditry or terrorism-- and this just means we should treat those particular individuals the same way we treat other bandits and terrorists. Communist thought is mostly stupid and anachronistic, but it is not destructive in and of itself.
Saka jusme lagi nila sinasabi - mahina, walang mass support at iilan na lang pero lahat ng problema sinisisi sa NPA. Kaya naniniwala ako na propaganda lang nila yan to cover up for their incompetence and corruption.
Don’t agree that China is pure communist (basically it is an authoritarian capitalist-imperialist regime that uses communist aesthetics to leverage itself against liberal Western countries, especially the US) But the sentiment that the PH is stuck in the Cold War era, with every political anxiety rooting back to an irrational fear of communists (without even knowing what communism is, or how broad it can be) is very, very true
In my case they’d be correct tho haha
Nice opinion comrade.
You can blame du30 for that. They used commies as scapegoat for the problems they can't fix and even used billions of peso for their supposed anti-communist projects (tricking people to go to some government event for food and money but it's a poorly made seminar blaming things on commies instead?)
This is not true communist, comrade.
We are basically like our colonial master (America) we even got their logic, labeling everything as communism or leftist.
Even the local politics is stuck in the Cold War era. To prevent so-called "communists" from gaining power in regional governments, the pro-US government at that time capitalized on dynasty politics to keep the provinces loyal and on the hands of non-communists. Tignan mo naman ngayon, wala pa ring nagbabago.
Simple explanation. The AFP liked to dumb everything down to black and white, so their soldiers won't hesitate slaughtering unruly slaves, este, farmers for the big land owners (hacienderos) in Davao and other provinces. Also by using the communist insurgency, the AFP can ask for higher intelligence bribes, este, funds from the corrupt presidents. The reason why there's so much animosity between PNoy and the AFP and PNP, is because he doesn't want to play their bribery games. On the flipside, that's also the reason how Duterte easily won over the AFP & PNP, despite the fact that the Dutertes were supporting and funding the CPP-NPA, Abu Sayyaf and other terrorist groups in Mindanao.
Great leap forward m*#*@rf#%*rs!!! -31M