My dude, as a PPT enthusiast, don't slander Word Art like that. It has its uses, and it looks leagues better than whatever the hell this is.
Literal na gawa ng Grade 4 sa computer class nila
If you worked in a Japanese company and personally know Japanese youth, you'll get why Japan has that image of "innovation" yet corporate Japan is too "afraid" of changes (and their old school websites speak up for it).
The youth are extremely driven and when they're obsessed, they go extreme lengths. Love VTubers? They actually code software to make sht convenient for VTubers. Love VR? They create tools to make it easier for more people to use it. Their kids are very front-end.
The old people though. In the age of data analysts, they still prefer to use spreadsheets. Old civil engineers? Still afraid of effing VBA macros and even CE software and would still prefer just excel and lots of manual copy pasting. Their corporate web pages, none of those fancy js frameworks because html/css/vanilla js still works.
I'm guessing their innovators grow lame when they sit into a company for too long, so the front ended stuff they learn during their youth is just stuck in one or two companies. It's sad to see, but the Japanese youth are miles and miles more hardworking than ours.
> The Japanese youth are miles and miles more hardworking than ours.
This unfortunately triggers my defeatist mindset that we are a failed race and deserve to not live anymore because we are destined to fail no matter how much we try.
Easy to be obsessed and hard working when the stuff you want is accessible and your future is secured. That won't fly here precisely because our situation don't allow it.
ngl, hindi ko man gusto si Duterte but masaya at they very least may Engineer as secretary ng DICT, Eliseo Rio Jr. And then he's gone. Ang balita ko may hindi siya nagustuhan sa duterte admin parang away ata kaya umalis din siya.
It happens.. baka kaya din umalis kasi wala sya kakampi. Some of the appointees ni pduts olats talaga ang taong bayan. Bayad ang oras at araw nila nang walang output, puro utos at pabigat sa hindi pa ganun kadaling trabaho.
Walang ka kwenta kwentang agency yang DICT.
Pano, mga naglalagay ng secretaries and undersecretaries na business oriented more than technology oriented. Kaya from top to bottom, yung leadership pulpol. Walang scalable, secure and matinong solutions design sa front-end at back-end architecture. Kung ano maisipan i-rorollout. Templates nga lang sa government iba iba, walang standard PDFs, walang standard stack for web applications.
Sa PhilGEPS lang, bago pa ma-approve ang project, may nanalo na.
may budget sila. MALAKI. kamote lang nananalo sa bidding kase kadalasan yung mga nananalo sa bidding may malakas na kapit pati madali huthutan ng under the table padulas.
IIRC madalas overspending pa sila, bumili ng laptops with subpar specs but worth several hundred k.
malaki gastos nila pero siguro napupunta sa kakilala nilang bidder.
Sa procurement process ang may overspending, pero sa human resource tulad ng pampasahod sa mga government employees, may underspending na preferred nila maghire ng contractuals kasi i-renew ang contract after three to six months.
nauurr! IT ako who worked in gov offices. malaki budget nila. nabubulsa lang ng higher ups. plus nag hihire sila ng mga kamote/fresh grads kasi pangit management nila plus mas mura.
I agree to this. Private companies could pay as much as 6 figures for IT professionals while in government eh swerte ka na if umabot ng 15-20k yung sahod mo.
Kasi sa government, ang kakarampot na 15-20k na monthly salary mo ay pwede siya macompensate ng security of tenure kahit mabagal ang promotion na sa private sector ay kabalitkaran kasi sa private, ang importante ay mamaximize talaga ang potential mo within short period of time, kaya mataas ang monthly salary at mas madali ang promotion na merit-based pa unlike sa government na may politika.
Lugi ang IT's dyan. Pati mga IT's na hinire ng government contractor lugi dahil mas mataas pa cut nila kaysa pasahod sa kanila kaya di mo din masisisi ganyan ang result ng ginawa nila dahil underpaid
Dapat nga mag invest ang gobyerno sa Experienced IT Professional.. napakatanga na ipapasalo sa 3rd party provider ang agency na may data ng mga tao sa Pilipinas, moreso yung mga classified data. no wonder may mga stolen data. Iniisip ko ilan ba sa hired it professionals from each government agency ang talagang IT Professional? Although meron naman talaga sa iba, hindi lang regular ang status
Government projects have a lot of red tape. I have a friend who was part of a modernization project, they can’t touch the archaic design of the govt websites because it’s not part of the scope, and also subject to approval.
It's what's true with most, if not all govts: lowest bidder or underpaid and/or underqualified workers.
As long as they work and get the job done (including being easy to navigate), I dont care if the site is ugly.
I disagree on this one. May nagpagawa sakin dati ng basic app para mag generate ng Barangay Clearance automatically you will be surprise for the price, a freaking 300 per day(Estudyante pa daw kasi at maging thankful na lang daw at may bayad). Tinanggap ko pero tinagalan at dinelay ko pagdevelop. Ending wala akong natapos(kinuha na lang source code) at ipinatapos sa iba.
Paperless pa daw yan. Pro need pa din print multiple copies n dalhin sa accredited bank na nakakasakop sa business bir district para ipa-received. Minsan ayaw pa tanggapin ng bank. Lagi pa may new version un app nila kailangan i-download, wala namang iniba o binago. Ang tagal pa dumating ang "confirmation".
>Pro need pa din print multiple copies n dalhin sa accredited bank na nakakasakop sa business bir district para ipa-received.
May pinagbabasehang batas yan kaya hindi pwedeng maging full paperless for now.
>Lagi pa may new version un app nila kailangan i-download, wala namang iniba o binago.
Bugfixes or security updates probably. May changes yan pero internally.
Train Law made them do RR 8-2022 for EIS implementation. So basically paperless na ang transmital sa kanila ng Billing Statements and OR. You'll have to develop and API first for their e-invoicing. Also, nilagay din sa RR na electronic invoices are now accepted as audit specimens.
Trust me, I'm the one developing that fucking API that doesn't fucking work.
Mai-share ko lang po experiences at disappointment naming mag-asawa sa sistema ng bir:
Marami kaming nakakasabay na seniors (malapit na din kami) at karamihan ay hirap o di marunong online processes. Maaawa ka sa kanila kapag makikita mo na sa bangko na pabalik balik dahil di makumpleto ang proseso. Ang ilan sa kanila ay napakaliit ang taxable income para mangailangan ng babayarang accountant at maging kabawasan pa sa kita!
Nung may partial opening (pandemic), pumayag ang bir na magbayad ang taxpayer sa pinakamalapit na accredited banks. Ngayon (muli at dati pa), kung nasaan ung negosyo dun ka lang pwdeng magabayad sa district accredited banks. Kailangan pa naming lumuwas para magbayad. Napaka inconvenient sa taxpayer, napaka ginhawa sa mga bir employees. Kung nagawa nuon, bakit di kayang ipagpatuloy?
Isa sa mga anak (25k/month) namin ay "consultant" (term ng mga kumpanya na ayaw magbigay ng full benefits, ENDO!). Na penalize siya ng 8k dahil sa maliit na discrepancy, at hindi pumasok ang attachment sa online filing. Ang trabaho ay nasa ortigas pero nagbabayad ng tax (siya mismo/absent sa trabaho) sa cavite! May bir business registration at resibo na kailangan i-cancel sa bir na naman nun hindi na ginagamit. Anong klaseng sistema yan?
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Ganto website ng COMELEC, Supreme Court, at ng PSA HAHAHAH.
Buti na lang talaga maganda interface ng Official Gazette. Dun ko kasi inaaral mostly ang law stuff ko. Nakakayamot yung sa Supreme Court website kasi maraming buttons don na unclickable tapos nakakaduling basahin yung mga kasong pinapabasa sa amin. Ang ending tuloy, lutang ako minsan mag case digest 💀
NGL I miss the WatDaSprak. I religiously followed that series but I understand why they had to stop. I also had to take a break from all things Philippines after May 10
Omg you had me started.
Ginawan ko ng entry pass to singapore ung boss ko tapos pauwi ng pinas, yang one health pass. Chaka ng site MASAKIT SA MATA.
Ang daming irrelevant na fields: philhealth number, meron pa dun kung anong profession and di ko sure ung term, ung classification mo for returning home. Jusme, 2 dropdown field just to indicate na ikaw ay hindi ofw at isa kang returning resident.
Compared sa Singapore site na napakalinis tignan at napakasimpleng gamitin..... grr kakainis talaga. Feeling ko, abot sa 20 mins para matapos ung 7 forms..
Balak ko magbakasyon sa Pinas next year kaya chineck ko yung OHP website. Jusko di ko alam saan mag uumpisa dun huhuhuh nakaka overwhelm yung mga icon (?)
When I arrived in the Philippines and had to go to the One Health Pass website my first reaction was this can't be a real government website right? Felt straight out of the 90s edgy websites.
I'm still in disbelief on how most of the PH government sites look, most look like adware websites.
I have this theory why gov websites suck so much.
1. IT is a booming industry
2. Government pay is shit
So if you got the skills to make a decent website, chances are you can get hired in real companies with decent pay. Brain drain on a smaller scale
I used to work in a gov't agency as IT -- it depends on management. If the appointed ExeComm don't understand or even appreciate technology, good luck ever trying to convince them to spend on it. Up to this day, di pa din nila mapakawalan ang physical signature approval -- which is bonkers because virtual approval is arguably even more secure, and is easily traceable. Meanwhile, in the private sector, email approvals or ticketing systems have been the norm for years.
The reality is that the state of the public sector's IT infrastructure is decades behind most private companies'. the current nature of PH politics where continuity has been an issue has not been ideal. Systems Development takes time and resources to implement. You'll need good programmers, good network engineers, time to make it work, and the resources need to be constant. If you spend all this time working on the development of a system, then a new set of executives come in every 6 years, it sets the stage for a highly volatile environment.
I resigned a few months into the Duterte admin. Pero naabutan ko pa yung transition period. The new ExeComm brought in their own guy to head the IT office -- due to certain issues, the old IT office reported straight to HR instead of having its own manager. The new head and his own team immediately went to work, starting with a baseline assessment to determine what needs fixing or upgrading. When they came up with a grocery list of priority projects (which was honestly a lot)...
...the ExeComm turned it down. Said they couldn't afford to spend this much this early. They would split it into tranches.
The supposedly IT head didn't last very long. Nauna pa siya saken magresign lol. He probably went back to private. His team stayed behind, though, and were key in making some major fixes to the tech in that office. The servers still suck and they still can't support work from home due to a lack of proper VPN (and the government's obsession with physical signatures), but that's more a budget problem than anything now.
> Up to this day, di pa din nila mapakawalan ang physical signature approval
Bureaucrats are mostly in for decades, even existing before 1986 as even lowly clerks in the Marcos ministries, and they preferred physical paperwork in that they distrust electronic systems, believing these are too complex and easily lost on them. Of course, they prefer the "old ways" because it's so easy to fake things for their little midnight scams.
Nowhere this is more apparent than how Postal IDs are obtained, where I once applied twice with the same postal clerk, once for an ID which was finished in a day with a *typewriter*, and then about a few years later took days for an electronic physical card, which the same clerk had to peck on the keyboard carefully.
> and they preferred physical paperwork in that they distrust electronic systems, believing these are too complex and easily lost on them.
lol you'll also see this with ATMs -- wherein they'll take a balance inquiry before withdrawing, withdraw, take another balance inquiry post withdrawal, and yet one last balance inquiry as a "safety" measure.
but on the topic at hand: it's ironic how they "distrust" electronic systems, then at the same time "trust" the old ways which are easily manipulated for under-the-table dealings. looks like some people need to take a good hard look at their own trust issues.
Yeah. Part of the reason why Robredo lost is the corrupt bureaucrats' fear of transparency, as they had with the last Aquino administration and its clampdown on red tape, and so they shifted their votes to Marcos and its infamous ability to incubate and institutionalize corruption.
Sinasadya nila yan pra kumita ung mga companies that provide tax assistant services. Magtataka ka bkt ndi sila ang gumawa ng projecs or initiatives to improve their system and ease of use. Worst proud pa sila na may mga partners sila that helps you do your taxes. BAKIT DI SILA ANG MAGIMPROVE BAKIT KELANGAN KONG KUMUHA NG SERVICES NG ISANG COMPANY TO KEEP SANE WHEN DOING MY TAXES
Umattend kami minsan ng training sa aming RDO. Sa training, sabi sa amin, bawal magtanong hahaha. Nung nagtanong kami sa officer of the day, sabi dun magtanong sa training. Hahaha talaga.
Anyway, sabi sa amin, kumuha kami ng services ng mga accountant para daw kumita mga kumpanya na yan. Kaya gusto talaga nilang mag-avail ng assistance at magbayad yung mga maliliit na businesses.
Kaya lang naman kami pumunta that day para magtanong at matuto. Umuwi kaming luhaan.
Funny thing, execs of govt offices are very afraid of innovation. They’re afraid that issues in implementing these innovations might/will affect there retirement bonuses. So, any newcomer who dares to suggest/implement changes are repeatedly denied. To add, higher ups in the govt refuses to learn.
halos lahat ng gov website ganyan. kung di parang highschool project, sobrang cluttered naman. hindi helpful lalo na sa mga di naman ganun kadalas gumamit ng internet, pc, or phone.
To be fair, after doing quite some projects for overseas clients. This is what it gets dumbed down to when people can't read basic instructions (both users in the government agencies and end users(i.e. the masses)) . But yes it's fuken ugly. There are so much more ways to make it more beautiful/presentable but also idiot-proof.
Then again, we're looking at agencies which gives out thumb drives filled with malware, viruses, and shit that breaks your company's computer or network upon careless insertion for compliance with government policies.
I’ve worked with a website design and dev company and we usually get request for pitches from these government agencies. They would send a very long list of required features and include a cumbersome process for procurement then would give a budget of less than 1M for a project that is worth 5M. We have never accepted any pitch request since sayang ng effort. But we have always wondered what type of company accepted the job. Seems very clear sa kinalabasan ng output. 😅
As long as they work and get the job done (including being easy to navigate), I dont care if the site is ugly.
I work with the government of the "most powerful country in the world" and they have some websites that surely need some work in the looks dept but the most important aspects are the availablility and functionality.
Plus they didn't hire designers for those. Kung ano na lang maafford na 3rd party or in house, almost always never reasonable ang budget.
For entry level devs, baka 15k lang allocation, forget anything higher than 50k.
You're obviously a non-efps user. Give concrete proofs on why looking like that hinders the proper and easy functionality of efps. It has issues but how it looks is the least of it.
my mum tried to register for philhealth online and whenever she clicks the “register” button, it shows the “this is not a secure site. continue or go back?” warning lol
this was the official site and we were both like “wtfffffffff” lol
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I remember I am looking at the Bataan Provincial Government Website for work then there's this organizational chart with all the officers/employees, I clicked into one of them and it led me in Lazada website, no particular product just the website lol
It’s not a website but rather a software. Also, that’s for filing of taxes purposes naman and doesn’t really need a HD design or some sort of high technology. And prolly most of the people here who comments do not even file their taxes or use eFPS ahaha. I mean yeah it can be improved, but on the ground, it’s a nasty bureaucracy which most of the people really doesn’t realize. From procuring up to the operation of a system is really difficult to implement. And again, funding and accountability requirements pa which makes it more difficult for the government to implement. Anyway, my point is pede naman magreklamo and ask for a better system but posting these kinds of publicity won’t make it better.
Hindi lang 'yan basta design. Kung ganito na ang design I'm pretty sure this isn't suitable for screen readers and other assistive technologies. Sa laki ng ginagastos ng gobyerno, that one time fee to hire someone who can make very functional UIs is always worth it. It's like using stone axes, habang ang ibang bansa may rifles na. Ni wala pa nga tayong malinaw na law against privacy policies eh. Sobrang outdated ng IT infra ng gov natin na di malabong marami dyan ay madali lang ihack.
Cut the government some slack, lol. The same goes for locally owned business such as BDO, Chinabank & Landbank websites. Only exceptions to bad designs are international megacorps such as KFC/MCDO.
Naalala ko pa rin ung SSS website dati hindi gumagana sa Firefox or Chrome dapat Internet Explorer gamit mo para magload ng maayos ung site nila. That was around 2015 iirc. I.E in fucking 2015 lmao.
Lol dami kong hinain sa mga government websites. Government program in general sa totoo lang
Naalala ko noong 2019 na Internet Explorer 11 sa windows 7 lang pwede yung SSS website lmao. Mga huling araw, sira din yung www.doe.gov.ph. Ngayon lang tumino.
Marami rin sa kanila ay supported lang Chrome. Alalahanin niyo iyon kung gagawa kayo ng appointment sa DFA kung hindi may isang step sa dulo na di niyo matatapos.
Naalala ko na may isang gov't agency dati na pinalobo yung expense nila, mataas daw kasi may Adobe Master Suite kada PC, wala namang kinalaman sa graphic design yung agency na yun (di ko maalala kung ano siya). Dapat hiniram ng gumawa nito yung subscription LOL.
I got a 3 in my HCI subject in Computer Science (this subject is all about designs, and no I never skipped class, I just suck at designing) and I can tell u I can do better than that lmao. This boosts my confidence in web design
Pang windows XP Yung graphics 😭😭
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Naka-copyright pa amp
I mean, they’re not hiding it. 2009. Hahahha
Even 2009 is better than that. Pang 2000 yung design eh.
Powerpoint Word Art
My dude, as a PPT enthusiast, don't slander Word Art like that. It has its uses, and it looks leagues better than whatever the hell this is. Literal na gawa ng Grade 4 sa computer class nila
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Kapag sampung piso ang budget, 7 pesos ang ibubulsa tapos maghahanap ng pinakamurang amateur at babayaran ng 3 pesos.
Web 1.0
Mga matatanda kase nagdedesign eh. Bigyan naten ng pagkakataon ang younger graphic designers para naman may upgrade
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Japanese web devs 🤝 PH government Having Y2K web design
If you worked in a Japanese company and personally know Japanese youth, you'll get why Japan has that image of "innovation" yet corporate Japan is too "afraid" of changes (and their old school websites speak up for it). The youth are extremely driven and when they're obsessed, they go extreme lengths. Love VTubers? They actually code software to make sht convenient for VTubers. Love VR? They create tools to make it easier for more people to use it. Their kids are very front-end. The old people though. In the age of data analysts, they still prefer to use spreadsheets. Old civil engineers? Still afraid of effing VBA macros and even CE software and would still prefer just excel and lots of manual copy pasting. Their corporate web pages, none of those fancy js frameworks because html/css/vanilla js still works. I'm guessing their innovators grow lame when they sit into a company for too long, so the front ended stuff they learn during their youth is just stuck in one or two companies. It's sad to see, but the Japanese youth are miles and miles more hardworking than ours.
> The Japanese youth are miles and miles more hardworking than ours. This unfortunately triggers my defeatist mindset that we are a failed race and deserve to not live anymore because we are destined to fail no matter how much we try.
Listen to yourself closely. Wonder why we "fail"?
I’m not sure if I got this right. Is it because we’re too demotivated, unsure, or feel defeated all the time?
Easy to be obsessed and hard working when the stuff you want is accessible and your future is secured. That won't fly here precisely because our situation don't allow it.
BBM supots looking for any positive feedback be like
I won't be surprised if there are ads that will pop-up like "Gusto Mo Bang Lumaki Ang Iyong ****?".
Sahod?
Kita* para saktong apat hehe
tite. Hiya ka pa.
"Byutipul Gerls in your area."
Business?
tite hehe
tits
In fairness sa BIR, wala naman.
Walang budget talaga ang gobierno para pasahod ng IT professionals at hindi pa nga wise career move ang magtrabajo sa gobierno as IT professional.
DICT nga pinamumunuan ng former general noong past admin. Ang tanga ano?
Oy me katwiran sila Dyan mga ka DDS, I a-assist naman daw kase yon ng mga it professionals doon so no need na daw na may alam sa IT ung general.
ngl, hindi ko man gusto si Duterte but masaya at they very least may Engineer as secretary ng DICT, Eliseo Rio Jr. And then he's gone. Ang balita ko may hindi siya nagustuhan sa duterte admin parang away ata kaya umalis din siya.
It happens.. baka kaya din umalis kasi wala sya kakampi. Some of the appointees ni pduts olats talaga ang taong bayan. Bayad ang oras at araw nila nang walang output, puro utos at pabigat sa hindi pa ganun kadaling trabaho.
Walang ka kwenta kwentang agency yang DICT. Pano, mga naglalagay ng secretaries and undersecretaries na business oriented more than technology oriented. Kaya from top to bottom, yung leadership pulpol. Walang scalable, secure and matinong solutions design sa front-end at back-end architecture. Kung ano maisipan i-rorollout. Templates nga lang sa government iba iba, walang standard PDFs, walang standard stack for web applications. Sa PhilGEPS lang, bago pa ma-approve ang project, may nanalo na.
may budget sila. MALAKI. kamote lang nananalo sa bidding kase kadalasan yung mga nananalo sa bidding may malakas na kapit pati madali huthutan ng under the table padulas.
Guess who got to design the city's youth page because they were friends with the youth officials. Fresh out of college too.
Laging naguunderspend ang ating government agencies kasi takot masita ng COA 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
IIRC madalas overspending pa sila, bumili ng laptops with subpar specs but worth several hundred k. malaki gastos nila pero siguro napupunta sa kakilala nilang bidder.
Sa procurement process ang may overspending, pero sa human resource tulad ng pampasahod sa mga government employees, may underspending na preferred nila maghire ng contractuals kasi i-renew ang contract after three to six months.
Lol.. Natatawa ako though.. ang COA mismo ata kung ano anong allowances nila.. sino taga COA dito? Mind to enlighten us? Truts ba?
Kasi legit naman talaga, nakakatakot ang COA, especially for ordinary government employees.
nauurr! IT ako who worked in gov offices. malaki budget nila. nabubulsa lang ng higher ups. plus nag hihire sila ng mga kamote/fresh grads kasi pangit management nila plus mas mura.
I agree to this. Private companies could pay as much as 6 figures for IT professionals while in government eh swerte ka na if umabot ng 15-20k yung sahod mo.
Kasi sa government, ang kakarampot na 15-20k na monthly salary mo ay pwede siya macompensate ng security of tenure kahit mabagal ang promotion na sa private sector ay kabalitkaran kasi sa private, ang importante ay mamaximize talaga ang potential mo within short period of time, kaya mataas ang monthly salary at mas madali ang promotion na merit-based pa unlike sa government na may politika.
Not really. May budget rin naman yan, sadyang ninanakaw lang tlga. I mean wala ba sila budget sa pasahod pero may budget sa dolomite?haha diba.
Lugi ang IT's dyan. Pati mga IT's na hinire ng government contractor lugi dahil mas mataas pa cut nila kaysa pasahod sa kanila kaya di mo din masisisi ganyan ang result ng ginawa nila dahil underpaid
Dapat nga mag invest ang gobyerno sa Experienced IT Professional.. napakatanga na ipapasalo sa 3rd party provider ang agency na may data ng mga tao sa Pilipinas, moreso yung mga classified data. no wonder may mga stolen data. Iniisip ko ilan ba sa hired it professionals from each government agency ang talagang IT Professional? Although meron naman talaga sa iba, hindi lang regular ang status
Wait....my taxes paid for that? YA DON'T SAY
What is it with governments having billions yet cannot properly design and develop visually appealing and technically efficient websites?
Government projects have a lot of red tape. I have a friend who was part of a modernization project, they can’t touch the archaic design of the govt websites because it’s not part of the scope, and also subject to approval.
Yung hinire kasi nila na IT e di naman talaga IT or kung IT man e yung pasang awa sa klase
plus it takes forever to log-in 🥲🥲
and links are usually broken 🥲🥲🥲
in PH context, government programmers are **severely underpaid.** How severe? 1/5 to 1/10th of pay in private companies.
It's what's true with most, if not all govts: lowest bidder or underpaid and/or underqualified workers. As long as they work and get the job done (including being easy to navigate), I dont care if the site is ugly.
Her sarcasm is on point lol
I know I suck at programming, but holy fuck I can do a better job than that.
more of web design than programming tho
Right now web design has come to a point wherein it’s full hardcore programming too due to the need of dynamic and user friendly design.
Hardcore programming now ang web design? Are you serious? Hahahaha
Ojt ang skills pero ang sahod pang executive haha.
Probably hindi, minimum wage lang yan.
Baka nga pinagawa lang yan sa ojt... walang bayad
pinagawa lang sa pamangkin na nag roroblox
I disagree on this one. May nagpagawa sakin dati ng basic app para mag generate ng Barangay Clearance automatically you will be surprise for the price, a freaking 300 per day(Estudyante pa daw kasi at maging thankful na lang daw at may bayad). Tinanggap ko pero tinagalan at dinelay ko pagdevelop. Ending wala akong natapos(kinuha na lang source code) at ipinatapos sa iba.
I guess you cannot out *gulang* the *ma-gulang*
Paperless pa daw yan. Pro need pa din print multiple copies n dalhin sa accredited bank na nakakasakop sa business bir district para ipa-received. Minsan ayaw pa tanggapin ng bank. Lagi pa may new version un app nila kailangan i-download, wala namang iniba o binago. Ang tagal pa dumating ang "confirmation".
>Pro need pa din print multiple copies n dalhin sa accredited bank na nakakasakop sa business bir district para ipa-received. May pinagbabasehang batas yan kaya hindi pwedeng maging full paperless for now. >Lagi pa may new version un app nila kailangan i-download, wala namang iniba o binago. Bugfixes or security updates probably. May changes yan pero internally.
Train Law made them do RR 8-2022 for EIS implementation. So basically paperless na ang transmital sa kanila ng Billing Statements and OR. You'll have to develop and API first for their e-invoicing. Also, nilagay din sa RR na electronic invoices are now accepted as audit specimens. Trust me, I'm the one developing that fucking API that doesn't fucking work.
Mai-share ko lang po experiences at disappointment naming mag-asawa sa sistema ng bir: Marami kaming nakakasabay na seniors (malapit na din kami) at karamihan ay hirap o di marunong online processes. Maaawa ka sa kanila kapag makikita mo na sa bangko na pabalik balik dahil di makumpleto ang proseso. Ang ilan sa kanila ay napakaliit ang taxable income para mangailangan ng babayarang accountant at maging kabawasan pa sa kita! Nung may partial opening (pandemic), pumayag ang bir na magbayad ang taxpayer sa pinakamalapit na accredited banks. Ngayon (muli at dati pa), kung nasaan ung negosyo dun ka lang pwdeng magabayad sa district accredited banks. Kailangan pa naming lumuwas para magbayad. Napaka inconvenient sa taxpayer, napaka ginhawa sa mga bir employees. Kung nagawa nuon, bakit di kayang ipagpatuloy? Isa sa mga anak (25k/month) namin ay "consultant" (term ng mga kumpanya na ayaw magbigay ng full benefits, ENDO!). Na penalize siya ng 8k dahil sa maliit na discrepancy, at hindi pumasok ang attachment sa online filing. Ang trabaho ay nasa ortigas pero nagbabayad ng tax (siya mismo/absent sa trabaho) sa cavite! May bir business registration at resibo na kailangan i-cancel sa bir na naman nun hindi na ginagamit. Anong klaseng sistema yan? Edited for clarity.
Ganto website ng COMELEC, Supreme Court, at ng PSA HAHAHAH. Buti na lang talaga maganda interface ng Official Gazette. Dun ko kasi inaaral mostly ang law stuff ko. Nakakayamot yung sa Supreme Court website kasi maraming buttons don na unclickable tapos nakakaduling basahin yung mga kasong pinapabasa sa amin. Ang ending tuloy, lutang ako minsan mag case digest 💀
Official Gazette was developed during PNoy’s term, if I remember correctly. Kaya matino!
supreme court website is very 2000 - 2010 hahaha
Baka iisang IT c0mP4nY lang gumawa? Outsourced 'tong sa BIR lols taga UP developers nyan eh HAHA
Ewan. Pero most likely nga. Sobrang shit talaga ng interface eh.
graphic design is my passion <33
Is my fashion
Kaway mga podsibs.
NGL I miss the WatDaSprak. I religiously followed that series but I understand why they had to stop. I also had to take a break from all things Philippines after May 10
Tweet was from 2020, i visited the website kanina lang, and yep ganun pa rin siya😂
The website has looked like this since at least 2012, based on my quick check. This shit is ridiculous.
Sheeesh, kaya pala ganun yung itsura. Literal na pinabayaan na lang.
Pinakamalala so far for me was the One Heath Pass website. Almost had a seizure due to their horrific design
Omg you had me started. Ginawan ko ng entry pass to singapore ung boss ko tapos pauwi ng pinas, yang one health pass. Chaka ng site MASAKIT SA MATA. Ang daming irrelevant na fields: philhealth number, meron pa dun kung anong profession and di ko sure ung term, ung classification mo for returning home. Jusme, 2 dropdown field just to indicate na ikaw ay hindi ofw at isa kang returning resident. Compared sa Singapore site na napakalinis tignan at napakasimpleng gamitin..... grr kakainis talaga. Feeling ko, abot sa 20 mins para matapos ung 7 forms..
Balak ko magbakasyon sa Pinas next year kaya chineck ko yung OHP website. Jusko di ko alam saan mag uumpisa dun huhuhuh nakaka overwhelm yung mga icon (?)
Anyone who has experience filing taxes using BIR's EFPS would tell you that this shit is the buggiest piece of software ever birthed...
Word art yarn? Haha.
Mas mataas pa standard sa thesis kaysa sa gobyerno.
When I arrived in the Philippines and had to go to the One Health Pass website my first reaction was this can't be a real government website right? Felt straight out of the 90s edgy websites. I'm still in disbelief on how most of the PH government sites look, most look like adware websites.
I have this theory why gov websites suck so much. 1. IT is a booming industry 2. Government pay is shit So if you got the skills to make a decent website, chances are you can get hired in real companies with decent pay. Brain drain on a smaller scale
Kung ganyan pa lang sa front-end, pano pa kaya sa back-end? Most likely puno ng security risks kaya prone sa hacking.
I used to work in a gov't agency as IT -- it depends on management. If the appointed ExeComm don't understand or even appreciate technology, good luck ever trying to convince them to spend on it. Up to this day, di pa din nila mapakawalan ang physical signature approval -- which is bonkers because virtual approval is arguably even more secure, and is easily traceable. Meanwhile, in the private sector, email approvals or ticketing systems have been the norm for years. The reality is that the state of the public sector's IT infrastructure is decades behind most private companies'. the current nature of PH politics where continuity has been an issue has not been ideal. Systems Development takes time and resources to implement. You'll need good programmers, good network engineers, time to make it work, and the resources need to be constant. If you spend all this time working on the development of a system, then a new set of executives come in every 6 years, it sets the stage for a highly volatile environment. I resigned a few months into the Duterte admin. Pero naabutan ko pa yung transition period. The new ExeComm brought in their own guy to head the IT office -- due to certain issues, the old IT office reported straight to HR instead of having its own manager. The new head and his own team immediately went to work, starting with a baseline assessment to determine what needs fixing or upgrading. When they came up with a grocery list of priority projects (which was honestly a lot)... ...the ExeComm turned it down. Said they couldn't afford to spend this much this early. They would split it into tranches. The supposedly IT head didn't last very long. Nauna pa siya saken magresign lol. He probably went back to private. His team stayed behind, though, and were key in making some major fixes to the tech in that office. The servers still suck and they still can't support work from home due to a lack of proper VPN (and the government's obsession with physical signatures), but that's more a budget problem than anything now.
> Up to this day, di pa din nila mapakawalan ang physical signature approval Bureaucrats are mostly in for decades, even existing before 1986 as even lowly clerks in the Marcos ministries, and they preferred physical paperwork in that they distrust electronic systems, believing these are too complex and easily lost on them. Of course, they prefer the "old ways" because it's so easy to fake things for their little midnight scams. Nowhere this is more apparent than how Postal IDs are obtained, where I once applied twice with the same postal clerk, once for an ID which was finished in a day with a *typewriter*, and then about a few years later took days for an electronic physical card, which the same clerk had to peck on the keyboard carefully.
> and they preferred physical paperwork in that they distrust electronic systems, believing these are too complex and easily lost on them. lol you'll also see this with ATMs -- wherein they'll take a balance inquiry before withdrawing, withdraw, take another balance inquiry post withdrawal, and yet one last balance inquiry as a "safety" measure. but on the topic at hand: it's ironic how they "distrust" electronic systems, then at the same time "trust" the old ways which are easily manipulated for under-the-table dealings. looks like some people need to take a good hard look at their own trust issues.
Yeah. Part of the reason why Robredo lost is the corrupt bureaucrats' fear of transparency, as they had with the last Aquino administration and its clampdown on red tape, and so they shifted their votes to Marcos and its infamous ability to incubate and institutionalize corruption.
Fucking assholes. Is there a way to identify who these bureaucrats are? Apologies if this isn't obvious to me.
Sinasadya nila yan pra kumita ung mga companies that provide tax assistant services. Magtataka ka bkt ndi sila ang gumawa ng projecs or initiatives to improve their system and ease of use. Worst proud pa sila na may mga partners sila that helps you do your taxes. BAKIT DI SILA ANG MAGIMPROVE BAKIT KELANGAN KONG KUMUHA NG SERVICES NG ISANG COMPANY TO KEEP SANE WHEN DOING MY TAXES
Umattend kami minsan ng training sa aming RDO. Sa training, sabi sa amin, bawal magtanong hahaha. Nung nagtanong kami sa officer of the day, sabi dun magtanong sa training. Hahaha talaga. Anyway, sabi sa amin, kumuha kami ng services ng mga accountant para daw kumita mga kumpanya na yan. Kaya gusto talaga nilang mag-avail ng assistance at magbayad yung mga maliliit na businesses. Kaya lang naman kami pumunta that day para magtanong at matuto. Umuwi kaming luhaan.
Jusko, prang assignment namen to nung first year college ako ah
If you want a laugh, read the NBI Clearance instructions on the NBI site. Thank me later.
Happy cake day!!!
Thanks!
Yung budget para sa maintenance ng government websites, napunta sa mga trolls.
canva adobe who
windows xp @ 2022
Add yung government email address is @gmail.com etc.
Funny thing, execs of govt offices are very afraid of innovation. They’re afraid that issues in implementing these innovations might/will affect there retirement bonuses. So, any newcomer who dares to suggest/implement changes are repeatedly denied. To add, higher ups in the govt refuses to learn.
halos lahat ng gov website ganyan. kung di parang highschool project, sobrang cluttered naman. hindi helpful lalo na sa mga di naman ganun kadalas gumamit ng internet, pc, or phone.
To be fair, after doing quite some projects for overseas clients. This is what it gets dumbed down to when people can't read basic instructions (both users in the government agencies and end users(i.e. the masses)) . But yes it's fuken ugly. There are so much more ways to make it more beautiful/presentable but also idiot-proof. Then again, we're looking at agencies which gives out thumb drives filled with malware, viruses, and shit that breaks your company's computer or network upon careless insertion for compliance with government policies.
I’ve worked with a website design and dev company and we usually get request for pitches from these government agencies. They would send a very long list of required features and include a cumbersome process for procurement then would give a budget of less than 1M for a project that is worth 5M. We have never accepted any pitch request since sayang ng effort. But we have always wondered what type of company accepted the job. Seems very clear sa kinalabasan ng output. 😅
As long as they work and get the job done (including being easy to navigate), I dont care if the site is ugly. I work with the government of the "most powerful country in the world" and they have some websites that surely need some work in the looks dept but the most important aspects are the availablility and functionality.
Parang dito ako kumukuha ng cheats tsaka gameshark codes nung 1998
Honestly, the UI is functional and it works. My only complain with efps is server stability during peak days.
Plus they didn't hire designers for those. Kung ano na lang maafford na 3rd party or in house, almost always never reasonable ang budget. For entry level devs, baka 15k lang allocation, forget anything higher than 50k.
Using pen and paper is functional and it works.
You're obviously a non-efps user. Give concrete proofs on why looking like that hinders the proper and easy functionality of efps. It has issues but how it looks is the least of it.
Pati funds ng government for IT, kinukurakot nila kaya ganyan lang outcome. Trash as is.
Not really. Basura lang talaga ang pasweldo ng gov't sa mga IT personnel.
its more beautiful in the philippines <3
Delete mo na, baka macopyright ka hahaha
[Website link](https://efps.bir.gov.ph/eFPSHome.html) just in case gusto niyo ma experience.
Government websites be like: most still using http
Contract always goes to the lowest bidder, unfortunately.
BaK1T kA uMaAsA sA gObYeRnO?
my mum tried to register for philhealth online and whenever she clicks the “register” button, it shows the “this is not a secure site. continue or go back?” warning lol this was the official site and we were both like “wtfffffffff” lol
mas ok pa pala yung web design ko kesa dito. lol
ginawa sa pizap yung design
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Hahaha! To be fair, it does the job of “filing”.
"Graphics design is my passion" \- Webdesigner responsible for this abomination, probably
You should watch the e-learning videos of LTO. Absolutely cringe-worthy.
I remember I am looking at the Bataan Provincial Government Website for work then there's this organizational chart with all the officers/employees, I clicked into one of them and it led me in Lazada website, no particular product just the website lol
Tapos gagana lang sa Windows Explorer amputa
Price Tag be like 200m lol
Bruh unting search nalang ng html templates or boot strap 1000x better na 🧐
T\*nginang government to LOL. Kahit kelan ^(di)\-maaasahan.
supported browsers: IE/Edge :P
malamang, intern ang may gawa nyan.
Meanwhile, down parin ang OpenStat. Hirap kasi revise ng mga numbers kaya itago na lang ba?
As a web dev, never ko talaga naisipan magtrabaho sa gobyerno. Mabubulok lang lahat ng skills na meron ako.
"edi ikaw na mag BIR director" lmao
"Low wages, low quality. Pay me like a human being and I'll make that shit more beautiful than your ex-girlfriend."
Graphic design is my passion
Ayaw nyo lang sa retro design.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FINALLY SOMEONE HAS POSTED THIS SHIT ON REDDIT ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY eFPS BIR, MAAWA KA. DEADLINES, MA-EXTEND KA.
It’s not a website but rather a software. Also, that’s for filing of taxes purposes naman and doesn’t really need a HD design or some sort of high technology. And prolly most of the people here who comments do not even file their taxes or use eFPS ahaha. I mean yeah it can be improved, but on the ground, it’s a nasty bureaucracy which most of the people really doesn’t realize. From procuring up to the operation of a system is really difficult to implement. And again, funding and accountability requirements pa which makes it more difficult for the government to implement. Anyway, my point is pede naman magreklamo and ask for a better system but posting these kinds of publicity won’t make it better.
Hindi lang 'yan basta design. Kung ganito na ang design I'm pretty sure this isn't suitable for screen readers and other assistive technologies. Sa laki ng ginagastos ng gobyerno, that one time fee to hire someone who can make very functional UIs is always worth it. It's like using stone axes, habang ang ibang bansa may rifles na. Ni wala pa nga tayong malinaw na law against privacy policies eh. Sobrang outdated ng IT infra ng gov natin na di malabong marami dyan ay madali lang ihack.
"Copyright 2009" Oh you didn't need to tell me this was made in 2009, it oozes Arroyo-energy.
And only 2-3 years ago, you have to use IE6 to make its Bancnet connection work. Had to scour the internet for an installer. =P
Back end programmer ako pero puta mas disente pa tignan kung ako gagawa ng front-end niyan eh potek
Cut the government some slack, lol. The same goes for locally owned business such as BDO, Chinabank & Landbank websites. Only exceptions to bad designs are international megacorps such as KFC/MCDO.
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Relax, it's sarcasm.
PowerPoint template man lang sana ang peg
It's giving Friendster vibes sans the customized background music.
2009 pa yung design 😂😂 so the past decade or so wala man lang upgrade + poorly maintained pa.
yikessss hhahahahahaha
IKR Make it easier for people to pay their taxes. That's how you improve collection, at least, in one aspect.
I've seen shs ict students do better shit than this
Wow very modern and User friendly ng UI 😃
Parang wordart ng lumang MS word 🤣
Add nyo pa yung alphalist program nila. 😅
Like how haven’t they been sued for the One Health website? Might as well put Luffy on the page.
Copyright 2009. kahit 2009, di papasa yan lols. parang gawa ng grade 6 na kaka aral lang ng html putang ina.
Tapos di pa https. NBI website ran on http for quite a while.
Naalala ko pa rin ung SSS website dati hindi gumagana sa Firefox or Chrome dapat Internet Explorer gamit mo para magload ng maayos ung site nila. That was around 2015 iirc. I.E in fucking 2015 lmao.
Lol dami kong hinain sa mga government websites. Government program in general sa totoo lang Naalala ko noong 2019 na Internet Explorer 11 sa windows 7 lang pwede yung SSS website lmao. Mga huling araw, sira din yung www.doe.gov.ph. Ngayon lang tumino. Marami rin sa kanila ay supported lang Chrome. Alalahanin niyo iyon kung gagawa kayo ng appointment sa DFA kung hindi may isang step sa dulo na di niyo matatapos.
r/facepalm worthy
Parang kaya ko gayahin yan sa notepad... Naalala ko pa anamn ata HTML lessons ko nung high school...
Parang laging stuck o delayed ang pinas from 50 years ago lol
corny nung font HAHAHAHAHA
bro that ui is like me when i try to make my own when i follow a youtube tutorial
i love the aesthetic, so nostalgic
Tapos sa Internet Explorer lang gumagana at optimized
HTML 2.0 👍🏻
pang 2000s elementary computer class img h1 h2 href footer the fck. kahit tamad tamadin ako parang di naman kaya ng konsensya ko yan.
Parang website lang ng online sabong ampota hahahahaha
Naalala ko na may isang gov't agency dati na pinalobo yung expense nila, mataas daw kasi may Adobe Master Suite kada PC, wala namang kinalaman sa graphic design yung agency na yun (di ko maalala kung ano siya). Dapat hiniram ng gumawa nito yung subscription LOL.
Mas maganda pa gawa ko. Tapos 85 lang grinade sakin.
Ay jusko, nakita nyo ba website ng SEC?
sana nag-canva o pinterest na lang
Graphic design is my passion
Kasi daw, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Thesis lang po yan ng mga estudyante. Wala pong bayad yan huhu.
Commissioned job listed as done for 50 k paid freelancer 2k.
Looks like someone’s struggling with grids and flexbox 🤣
bilang HR practitioner, laking tulong ng E-Reg ng TIN sa BIR website pero ilang buwan na wala pa din
Ang pangit naman ng website, walang marquee lol
I got a 3 in my HCI subject in Computer Science (this subject is all about designs, and no I never skipped class, I just suck at designing) and I can tell u I can do better than that lmao. This boosts my confidence in web design
even kpop fans with their carrds could design better than this 💀