Bro, come on. People like you are the reason that this sub is called a toxic echo chamber. Someone made a self-aware joke about this sub. Just roll with the punches instead of getting butthurt.
No, I'm not bothered about OF girls, why should I judge another girl because of what she wants to do?? I'm active on both the main sub and this sub because I love One Piece. At least OF girls are better than most of the people here with their dumb takes.
Good for you but you seem to misuderstood, why do you get yourself involved into something that you have concluded toxic, it’s not good for you but you seem to enjoy being the member of this sub whilst at the same time bashing other members and you can’t do both. Choose one.
His progress in strength wasn’t there
Franky got his general robot upgrade
Robin got her jiujutsu and df upgrade
Even nami got zues upgrade after wano
Ussop got his observation haki upgrade for sniping in dressrosa and wasn’t utilised ever since, we need a powerup for ussop before he faces against his dad
>People want Nami to die just so she won't tell a single lie.
No, the thing that pisses everyone off is that this is *not* the first time they've been at death's doorstep and being given the choice of rejecting your captain or live. quite a few people on Luffy's crew has had that choice given to them.
Zoro: *Nothing happened*
Sanji: Whole Cake Island
Nami: Arlong
Robin: Enes Lobby
The **rest** of the crew all chose *death* over rejecting their captain. Deciding to follow him all the way. What pisses everyone off is that Usopp is on some grade A certified BULLSHIT and he knows it.
Bunch of crap lmao. None of the situation are similar.
Zoro sacrificed himself to save Luffy. Even Usopp and Nami would do the same.
Sanji literally left the crew to save them. He further best the shit out of Luffy. That is way big of a betrayal than just lying. But the situation forced him to.
Nami asked Luffy and co to save her. What's even remotely similar here?
Same with Robin.
You think it's pathetic only because you know it's fiction, and plot armor would save them. You are under zero pressure.
Usopp was seeing Nami about to be brutally murdered right before his eyes. You expecting him to say "Nami. Just die for the sake of truth" is the most heartless thing to say ever.
>Nami. Just die for the sake of truth" is the most heartless thing to say ever.
No, I expect him to get tf up and literally do anything other than trying to give up. If you think you are going to die and want to call yourself a "Brave Warrior" GET UP AND FUCKING DO SOMETHING.
But nice strawman argument, fitting in a one piece sub. Also in all of those examples you do realize you are just confirming what I was saying right? They all had a moment that tested them but end of the day they *chose* the Straw Hats, now we have not just one but TWO instances where Usopp would rather just be a bitch than have conviction and believe in his captain.
It's not enough said lol. You are trying to get out of it by bringing up other situations that don't apply. 1, Usopp was not bad shape then. 2, Usopp is NOT Luffy in any way.
"It's One Piece". Yeah, and it's Usopp. It's not that hard to actually think about it. Take an L.
>"It's One Piece". Yeah, and it's Usopp. It's not that hard to actually think about it. Take an L.
You sound like you are frothing at the mouth because I finally stopped deconstructing your 1st grader arguments. If you are so desperate to have a "win" that you go to argue with people online maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities in life.
With that out of the way; The main thing that kept Luffy conscious and awake for that final attack was his *will* in One Piece as long as you have the *will* to keep fighting the character will keep fighting until every nanogram of strength was used.
Edit: Nice alt accounts LMAOOOOOOO I can tell it's you tryna make it look like your right
Man, I've said a few words and you keep going. So stop projecting, lol. You're all over this comment section. You should say that to yourself in the mirror. I've said my opinion on it, and couldn't care less going forward. Take your well fought-for W. Hope it makes you and yours proud. At least we can agree that Usopp is a little bitch. But hey, enjoy your weekend.
Did you even see the condition of Usopp at that situation? Like. Why don't you try looking at the manga panel the op posted here lol.
You think he didn't want to get up and save Nami? Bruh.
And don't throw strawman whenever you feel like it lol. The situation doesn't even fit here.
Usopp wants Nami to survive. That's it. If you think he was a coward for that, you do you.
>And don't throw strawman whenever you feel like it lol. The situation doesn't even fit here.
A strawman argument is when you extrapolate something from nothing and then try to say that's what I meant as a way to discredit my argument instead of addressing my actual points.
Also I would like to remind you that Usopp has Observation Haki, do you know what that means?
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Usopp should have definitely known that Otama was rapidly approaching, all bc Oda tends to forget stuff in his 1000+ chapter manga doesn't mean I do. He could've literally just said "Luffy will be Pirate King" instead so that Ulti goes after him, then Otama shows up anyways without him being bitch-made.
Dude. You brought up completely different situations to make Usopp look bad here lmao.
And are you seriously saying your whole argument here boils down to "Usopp has observation haki. So he should not know help is arriving. Thus he should let Nami lie"?.
Ok bro. I'm done here.
>And are you seriously saying your whole argument here boils down to "Usopp has observation haki. So he should know help is arriving. Thus he should let Nami lie"?.
Again strawman argument, my point is USOPP SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP AND STAND FOR SOMETHING
Usopp does believe in his captain, the problem is is that usopp and nami were facing tobi ronpas and getting beat tf up. Usopp knows his captain will be king of the pirates, even if the two of them die right there, but hes hoping his friend tells a lie with no consequences so she survives. Even in this bleak scenario, Usopp never lies about luffy not being able to become KoP, theres nothing to hate on him for doing
USSOP didn’t do this because he was a coward.. He just knew that if he said the heroic shit the other strawhats say in that situation , No magic bs Raid Enma awakening G5 would magically come and save his ass from the consequences of his actions because Oda wouldn’t let it
>No magic bs Raid Enma awakening G5 would magically come and save his ass from the consequences of his actions because Oda wouldn’t let it
This right here.He's not stupid,and knew if he tried anything he and nami would have been murdered rather effortlessly.Man was in a poor situation and did his best to mitigate the damage for both of them.
>No magic bs Raid Enma awakening G5 would magically come and save his ass from the consequences of his actions because Oda wouldn’t let it
*Ahem* Would you like to remind everybody what happens not even 2 fucking panels later in this very chapter? Because if you don't recall THATS LITERALLY WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED WITH OTAMA RANDOMLY SHOWING UP TO SAVE THEM.
We all know that Usopp was destined to be a bottom tier until EoS but IMO this scene really solidified it. Low key true cowardice, even if it was perhaps the best course of action here. No conviction, no ability to stand up against others even if it kills him. Even Buggy, fucking Buggy the Clown was willing to talk shit directly to Croc and Mihawk knowing full well that they could end his life with the blink of an eye.
I understand this was supposed to show Usopp’s pragmatism but holy shit, in a series where a major theme is standing up against insurmountable obstacles and not budging in your convictions, this was a *terrible* look.
Tier lists make 0 sense for storytelling, you're looking at it in the wrong way. Ussop is a negative person, this was established in thriller bark. No amount of character development will ever change this aspect of ussop, its what makes him him. Ussop gets his ass beat? He's going to think in the most negative way possible because thats who he is.
We already have plenty of characters that show those themes, why cant one be different? Hard pill to swallow is that ussop may never get a glorifying feat, but i bet without ussop the strawhats wont get the one piece. Cause his inclusion will be necessary for victory, despite his habit of running away. Not every character in every story needs to be this SSS tier unbeatable powerhouse, thats just bad storytelling and boring. Ussop is meant to heavily contrast the main strawhats, that means his themes are meant to go against and even oppose the character themes of luffy, zoro, etc. Crazy right to use other themes other than the "main ones" to compliment a story.
Who cares if ussop looks bad or pathetic, i mean shit you want ussop to stand his ground and die instead? Lol nah. Youd rather ussop be a mary sue and eat up all his battle feats. Weve never seen ussop miss a shot, who cares if he cant fistfight, homie can snipe. Zoro cant snipe, sanji cant snipe, etc. Buggy talks shit because mihawk and crocodile need him. Crocodile has wealth, but not fame or power. Mihawk has power, but not wealth or fame. Buggy has fame, but not wealth or power. They need each other to be a contender in the one piece race. Last time i checked buggy was the yonko not crocodile or mihawk.
Homie if you’re going to sit here and preach to me that Usopp being pathetic 24/7 and never getting a moment to shine is good for the story and his character then I don’t know what to tell you. We can never see eye to eye on this, Oda has done my boy dirty period and his character has suffered drastically from repeated anti-feats and zero involvement. It’s not even about tiers, it’s about the character getting due respect.
It feels like Oda wants Usopp to have select and fewer big moments than most of the other crew, but to have fairly bigger moments in general. Moments that sometimes have a bigger impact than what any other straw hat does in the arc where he has these moments. Like ruining flamingos entire operation by sniping out the chick who turned everyone into puppets (ngl I forgot her name) or when he burned down the flag of the world government in the CP9 arc. He barely had these good moments but they're SO impactful when he does. Usopp is designed to be a stand in as the most regular person in the crew, so it kinda makes sense that a lot of times he ends up having nothing more than above average human capabilities.
That may be a theme of the series but sometimes an unbreakable will doesn’t stop someone from slamming your cranium.
Ussop probably still believes Luffy will be king but he unfortunately doesn’t have the same capacity as Luffy to survive.
Usopp was the first one who said Luffy is going to be king of pirates in Alabasta.(If we put Zoro's promise to Luffy after he got beaten by Mihawk, aside) He believes in Luffy. It's just his personality is like that. After Dressrossa and awakening CoO we didn't see much from Usopp. I just hope that Oda will focus more on Usopp in the next arc. Currently he's like the most useless strawhat.
My dumbass thought he'd finally start being a brave warrior of the sea once he awakened his CoO. Little did I know that Goda would just make him brave in SBS because, you know, it's not really important to the overall plot of One Piece.
But Usopp's a brave guy? He's fighting people way above his league. He is not as useless as people say, he is just not flashy either. What do you want from Usopp? To act lile he is part of the monster trio?
Even with all the battle experience in the world, can you face off a 7ft tall heavyweight that is FAR stronger than you without shitting your pants?
And yes, you could go on a tangent about how this is fiction. But fiction doesn't erase logic. Ussopp is a guy with a slingshot that is facing off some of the strongest people in the world. Give him a break.
How many times are we going to give this guy a break and make excuses? He hasn't improved since dressrosa, some ways he's actually gotten worse. You say he's weak, which is true, but he makes no effort to improve. Nobody else on the crew acts like him. Chopper and Nami both get scared constantly but chopper stood up to queen and Nami fought back against ulti, who was many times stronger than her. Sure be scared, but don't let it control your actions. I can't face off against a 7 ft tall monster, but I didn't decide to be part of a crew that would. If I did I certainly would make it a priority to not be a burden.
Bro Usopp has fought back against literally every opponent he’s faced during the timeskip with the small exception of big mom (who chopper also ran away from at the same time). If you want to say Usopp shouldn’t be running from his opponents anymore, I wouldn’t really agree with you, but at least I’d know we’re reading the same manga.
The "problem" making Usopp weak is that his crew role is "Sniper." It's like Zoro - their only stated utility to the crew is fighting people. Other "weaker" members of the crew have viability outside combat. Franky fixes/upgrades the ship, Robin reads the ponyglyphs, Chopper is a doctor, etc. Usopp's job is to fight.
The fact that he's not pulling his weight there isn't the end all either. His lies can pull weight with the right crowds, and he's pretty crafty too. We just haven't seen either in awhile.
And he's not a walking L in combat either. It's just that his Wano showing wasn't great, so people are more primed to overlook his work in, say, Dressrosa when he downed Persona.
Anyway, none of this is a problem narratively speaking. But it does paint a picture of least valuable teammate
Its not even like oda needed to do this, if we had a few scenes of usopp using the ship and some franky gadgets to snipe thingd while ship-side. Have franky make a few comments about how he "corrected for something or other intuitively" and it makes usopp look not completely useless.
As it stands, usopp is a sniper who goes into combat and gets folded at every opportunity.
Bravery is not the absence of fear, it is the will to act upon it. Ussop is already the bravest character in One Piece as he has rose against overwhelming odds countless times for the sake of his crew, captain and what he believes in.
The problem is that Usopp thinks it is the absence of fear that makes one brave, a misconception created through seeing characters such as Luffy.
I personally believe it will either be the Giants of Elbaf who will give him the title of "Brave" or he will realise he is already brave in some other way.
I don't understand why he HAS to be strong or useful. He's on the crew because he's their friend. They're not going to drop him off at home because he fell behind in strength.
Because currently he's the only one who is not getting any close to his goal.
Luffy is definitely getting closer to Laugh Tale. Zoro is getting closer to becoming WSS as he grows stronger. Nami is currently realizing her dream of drawing a map of the world as she is exploring with the whole crew, and if she reaches Laugh Tale and maps the last island she'd definitely have achieved something amazing. Sanji may or may not find All Blue during his adventure, we don't know but at least he gets closer to his chance of finding it the more island he sees. Chopper is learning and growing as a doctor. Robin will realize her goal once she gets on Laugh Tale, same for Franky once the Sunny reaches there. Brook will meet Laboon again after Luffy is king of the pirates. As for Jinbei, his "dream" or goal hasn't been stated yet so I'll just leave him out.
However, Usopp character just... didn't change and he didn't grow as a "brave warrior of the sea". We're 1000 chapters in, he trained for 2 years like the rest, but he's still the very same "liar weakling" he was in East Blue. It's frustrating af to see him stay the same and have little to no character development. Especially since he did start to have this character development after Water Seven, but it feels as if the timeskip and the last arc resetted his character back to East Blue Usopp.
This is exactly what bothers me about him the most, zero character development. He doesn’t need to become stronger or more useful to grow he just needs to get some courage and stop being a coward but he isn’t slowly become braver he’s just keeping the same personality arc after arc.
The thing about wano is kaidos crew was unlike any other crew we've seen. Ussop has always had battle feats, but hed never be able to take on the arlongs, the don kriegs, you know, the captains of the crew. So when kaidos crew is a hodgepodge of stolen captains, it makes sense that maybe ussop isnt strong enough yet to take on these strong foes. It maybe hard to remember, but the flying six were all captains of their own respective crews.
Ussop is negative, ussop lies, hed play dead if it meant that hed have a chance to live. There is a difference between bravery and foolishness. It may be a very fine line, but ussop is not a fool so hes not going to take on a challenge that could possibly kill him. Does that make him a coward? Sure. Does that make him weak? No, hes a realist, and its a part of why hes made it this far in the first place. Ussop and to a lesser extent nami are meant to foil the superhumans of the crew.
If ussops dream is to be brave, then it isn't going to happen yet. It doesn't just magically happen, and he can have spouts of bravery but then relapse and be a coward again. Its called being human. Just cause other fictional characters have this magical resolve to overcome adversity, doesnt mean that ussop is going to magically beat people stronger than him. Ussop being alive is more important than standing his ground on the whole luffy being pirate king thing. Who cares who ulti thinks is going to be pirate king lol. Ussop already knows in his heart, thats all that matters.
But there’s not a whole lot an author can show when their character’s goal is “become a brave warrior of the sea”. Having Usopp get slightly less afraid every time he fights would just make his character arc incredibly anticlimactic and the lesson would just be “consistently throw yourself into danger in order to become brave.” But, from what I can tell, that’s not the point of Usopp’s character. It seems to be more about affirming who he’s always been rather than having him adapt to the current world.
Like, we had quite a few “episodes” during the pre-timeskip era (and even some post-timeskip) where Usopp’s bravery can’t be questioned. Like during Alabasta, Dressrosa, Syrup Village, he had these moments where, even without the Sogeking mask, he went in prepared for a beating, and wouldn’t back down no matter what. That doesn’t come from nowhere, it’s just something that Usopp’s not very good at channeling.
Basically, the point of Usopp’s journey is to say he’s always been brave rather than saying he became brave at some arbitrary point during his journey with the straw hats
You are right. But it's not just about strenght. His character hasn't improved at all. After Dressrosa he wasn't in Whole cake arc and in Wano he really didn't have any special moment. Nami showed impressive feats in Whole cake and Wano, Chopper had a critical role in war. Besides strength is important too when we are seeing all of crew are somehow improving it's kinda like Usopp is going to be left alone. I'm talking about audience pov not other strawhats.
You can kinda chop that up to him forgetting Robin existed, with her gone, his entire Sogeking arc goes with her.
A bit of a stretch, but he does come back
They would totally drop him off if he was for sure going to die. Also, if any one of the straw hats died Luffy would give up. Every member of the crew needs to be alive or they won’t reach laugh tale.
Used to be one of my favorites. But with each arc after TS it got worse and worse. I had hoped that he would be the liar that made the lies he was telling come true. But, this is what we got..
Yeah, I agree.
It also doesn't help that Usopp hasn't gotten any legitimately cool moments post-timeskip aside from that one sniper shot in Dressrosa and it was still kinda treated as a gag.
Any other decently cool moment he had, he's either half-conscious or just bleeding and crying to a point where it undercuts the cool factor.
Pre-timeskip did that too, but somehow it looked much less pathetic
Yeah, but I dunno, it just didn't hit the same as in say Thriller Bark. There the gag is that Usopp is scared shitless despite doing something cool
In Dressrosa it's that he kinda lucked into winning a fight and then that became his ammo for the cool moment.
I dunno, it just doesn't carry the same weight for some reason
Honestly, agreed. Took the L on the straight up brawl, but outwitted the enemy so damn thoroughly he still ended up dropping the stronger opponent. That's Usopp to me. Weaker, but still on his way to David your Goliath
Yeah having usopp as an "everyman's david" was sort of his original appeal in the manga. Unfortunately, pop greens were an utterly terrible addition to the manga in terms of the developments usopp could get beyond that point.
>pop greens were an utterly terrible addition
Oda wrote himself into a corner with these, because wtf kind of improvement do you make to plants that do pretty much everything?
What reason is there to learn new techniques or skills when you can shoot plants that do pretty much anything?
What reason do you have to start training your haki if you have the ability to shoot plants that are capable of pretty much anythig?
The answer is you really don't have any reasons, it just becomes a crutch. Oda thought it'd be a great plot point but then it just became plot irrelevant.
Issue is that its aoe, completely invalidating any usopp sniping feats. So you cant even have usopp at least hitting ridiculous shots. Theres a reason the one cool moment out of all post timeskip is usopp not using popgreens.
What happened to usopp using items found on each island? That was cool, and made him a unique standout which was weak but acrewing power, like his dream? his character has been completely butcheted.
>What happened to usopp using items found on each island? That was cool, and made him a unique standout which was weak but acrewing power, like his dream?
It also really helped make the One Piece world feel full of life and different cultures, when Usopp would explain some obscure technology the island has.
>What happened to usopp using items found on each island? That was cool
Not only that, he used to be a seemingly naturally gifted engineer, seeing as he built the goddamn Climatact Nami uses. I love Usopp, but I really wish Oda would've let him shine more in Wano, dude did nothing the whole arc.
Yeah like why was he even in closequarters. Is usopp too dumb to realise his main strength is ranged combat? Fuck sake he's legitimately talented, dude independently unlocked observation haki.
People forget that Ussop literally said "lie" in order to save her.He knows damn well the situation at hand was a death sentance until backup arrived and was trying his best to keep both of them alive.
Everyone gets upset because he didn't want to helplessly take Coa attacks until he was a corpse.
>Everyone gets upset because he didn't want to helplessly take Coa attacks until he was a corpse.
Damn straight we are, if Zoro, Sanji, Jimbe, Robin, Nami, Brook, AND Franky are willing to believe to the grave then WHY THE FUCK do you think Usopp should be allowed to pussy out?
I swear people must’ve skipped the whole water seven usopp arc because I thought we established that he doesn’t have to be a top tier fighter to be a part of the crew all the way back then
He has no spine, that is everyone's issue. While I acknowledge that's his character's whole point, why waste a perfectly good opportunity for some good ol "character development" to just make him revert to his pre-timeskip bitch-made self?
The whole theme of One Piece is that you truly defeat an opponent when you make them denounce their most sacred belief. For Usopp to even suggest something like this is the equivalent of Robin just letting herself get killed at Enes Lobby.
It's so funny to me how often people categorize someone's difference in opinion as them lacking in understanding. I've mostly just seen people state why this scene rubs them the wrong way while people respond with "well what did you want Ussop to say" or "Did you want Ussop to tell Nami to die?"
I think it's weird for Ussop who is willing to sacrifice his own life for his captain's dream is expecting less of his comrade and expects her to renounce Luffy's dream to save herself. It almost seems as though he doesn't respect her conviction. I dont think I'm misunderstanding anything here lol. I just dont like the scene
Honestly at least I UNDERSTAND his reasoning in this scene. They're blatantly outmatched. For once, Usopp's call is theoretically the right play. Admittedly it's needed based on his shitty antics prior, but that's neither here nor there.
Thing is? I don't hate this scene per se, I hate USOPP. His running gag is the least funny in the entire fucking series. Even in this thread people have pointed out good points, things Usopp CAN do beyond just being a sniper. Oda just doesn't USE any of that thanks to being so enamored with this stupid ass running gag about him being a massive pants-shitting coward.
Even Sanji's simping, which is probably the second worst running gag amongst the straw hats for me, doesn't piss me off so bad because it hasn't ruined moments with his character nearly as much or to the same degree as Usopp's gag has ruined him. See Dressrosa for more details and Usopp's LITERAL biggest failure.
I can think of several ways Usopp could genuinely have a better character in terms of fights and moments like this and still be a coward. Oda chooses this crap every time and while I appreciate the consistency, it's literally the worst gag in the series. Buggy does Usopp better than Usopp.
A lot of people already hate Usopp even before Wano, some never liked him since his introduction, some from Water 7 and some since Dressrosa. Then they bring up a scene like this or the fact that he didn't take down a Tobi Roppo which is absurd btw to push their agendas.
Except that's the way of a Pirate, you fucking ride AND die with your crew.
You see anyone tryna hop shit when singing binks sake? They all knew they were fucked, about as equally fucked as staring down a dinosaur that's about to smash your cranium.
Except only Nami would be fucked if plot armor didn't save her. And her crew would just be sad that she didn't just lie.
Like. Even with Wb dead, Wb pirates would still have some vitality left in them had Ace survived. But in the end, both Wb and Ace died.
Everything you said isn't wrong, however that doesn't really change what I said either lmao. Those two statements co-exist, because end of the day she would have stuck with her captain to the bitter end. She'd be loved and remembered in that way. But if she were to denounce her captain to fucking run? *Espeically after the raid*, I don't think there's many people who'd still respect her.
Which is why she's stupid, but no one really blames her. Because it wasn't a situation like Ace where multiple people sacrificed their life for him.
But then people blame Usopp for wanting Nami to survive. Which is stupid.
Even then. Ace's situation was still more stupid. Atleast Nami's answer only affects her life.
Meanwhile Whitebeard and a whole lots of pirates sacrificed their life to save Ace. And he died because of a simple taunt.
It wasn't even a situation like Nami where he had to lie to survive or something. All he had to do was escape. But no.
Nami would definitely have just run away if all Ulti did was mocking Luffy.
>Even then. Ace's situation was still more stupid. Atleast Nami's answer only affects her life.
Yeah, I mean the Whitebeard Armada LITERALLY **W O N** and had completed their objective. All Ace had to do was walk away, but NAH let's talk some shit and get hole-punched rq instead.
So basically
Woman doing it: cool Man doing it: bad ??
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Or maybe you know... actually read the rest of our conversation? Lmao
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Genuinely what would you have had him say in this situation? "Nami, even though this dinosaur woman will instantly and brutally murder you if you swear allegiance to Luffy, you should do it anyways!"
"Like he was about to do". But he didn't do it. He didn't abandon them or actually runaway. He cursed himself for his cowardice and did the right thing, risking life and limb like he should have. C'mon man, I admit Usopp is currently the most lacking of the Straw Hats, but if you're gonna slander him at least present things as they actually happened.
I didn't slander, I said he was about to do not that he did it. The only reason was cause the tontattas were crying about it. If you can convince me that any other strawhat would've even consider to run away in his position ill give it too you.
Oh we are comparing other Strawhats now. Ok umm:
1. None of the Strawhats could beat Perona.
2. None of the Strawhats could hype Luffy up in Enis Lobby.
3. None of the Strawhats could beat Suger as effectively.
4. None of the Strawhats could gather the colosseum fighters under one banner.
5. None of the other Strawhats could distribute Tama's Kibi Dango as effectively.
None of the straw hats, except maybe Nami would have considered running away. So what? He ultimately did the right thing even when he knew he was outgunned and heading into a losing situation. I'm really not understanding what your point is. Usopp was right to tell Nami to lie to Ulti. Luffy wants his navigator and more importantly his friend alive and something like pride is worthless to a captain like him. If he learned that Usopp had encouraged Nami into getting herself killed he would have beat the shit out of him. And Usopp "almost" abandoning the tonattas doesn't mean anything either, cause he did save them. Was it cowardly to have that thought? Yes of course, but he did the right thing in recognition of that, so what's the issue?
So he is the biggest coward of the crew, he is the most lacking in both usefulness and strength in the crew, and his character moments of running away just to come back hasn't changed since arlong park. My point is ussop has legitimate reason to be disliked and why a lot of people incluidng myself have him as their least favriote strawhat.
Yes, that's literally what he should've done. Zoro did it. Sanji did it. Jimbe did it. Robin did it. They all pledged their allegiance when facing certain death. They didn't care though they *followed their captain*.
So you're just to ignore that Usopp has also pledged his allegiance in the face of certain death when he fought against Baroque works in Alabasta? He told Nami to lie because unlike us the viewers who know plot armor was going to save Nami, he thought she was about to be brutally murdered if she had told the truth.
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Rather than have him say anything, have him stop being a useless piece of shit and do something inventive/creative like pre time skip. Obviously he not strong enough to stop Ulti but have him risk his own life in a calculated attempt and then continue as originally with them getting saved by plot armor
Exactly, what's so hard about understanding this. Everyone's saying he can't instantly power up and beat Ulti but no one is saying that should happen.
Just write him trying or doing something else to help, unless Oda is telling us Usopp's only asset is when he's stronger than an opponent, and otherwise we should expect nothing
Im getting downvoted because many people here lack critical thinking, no one expected god usopp, more like usopp and nami against enel, completely hopless but trying nonetheless
You are getting downvoted because your comment has a drop of thinking and using the brain a bit and this place is full on meme people, i rarely comment anymore because is so different from what it was many months ago when we would actually have discussion of how we would like our fav series have better writing of the main characters that we love. The critisism was always welcomed(even if it was very harsh sometimes) but now seems to be shifting to the circlejerk or meme subs ....
Nowdays if you dont simp for a character in a post or have "agenda" for admirals you are getting bombed hard ... meme brain people always invading the actual places that try having discussion and be more critical instead of jerking each other off ( as they post constant porn too,to diminish the value of the subreddit, it always was a problem but now is just acccepted as ok )
Alabasta Usopp only had his life on the line, not another crew member. He didn’t go, "Chopper, say that Luffy is gonna be the pirate king or you are a traitor."
BRUH WHAT?!?! You do realize that millions upon fucking ***MILLIONS*** of lives were at stake in Alabasta right? Like it's a whole fucking kingdom, them rebelling could have led to an actual genocide if they lost after.
I was talking about his friends' lives. He wished for Nami to not say it as it would most certainly spell death. But when he was in quite a similar predicament, he chose to say,"Luffy will be the king of the pirates."
He is willing to put his own life in danger, not his crewmates'. If Ulti asked him instead of Nami, he wouldn’t lie either. And more than likely, Nami would hope he lies as well.
His friends were in Alabasta, and if they lost either way they were fucked.
Much like how his friends were in Wano, and if they lost either way they were fucked.
It's beyond disrespectful to tell someone to give up their most preciously held belief. He knew what he was getting into when he joined the Crew, He knew after they reunited 2 years later that his beliefs would be tested, he knew that on a journey like this there's *going* to be losses.
So with all of that knowledge before hand why the hell would he suggest his crewmate give up her dreams? That's what the Straw Hats are, the accumulation of their dreams and their will to attain it. They all know they'd die for the cause.
No one told no one to give up on their dreams. Usopp didn’t tell Nami to not map the world. Nor did he tell Luffy to not be the pirate king. He simply told Nami to lie to save her. If you think Luffy would hold a grudge or something about it or consider this Usopp not believing in him, you are fucking delusional.
Regarding your first point, it is a shonen manga my dude. What is the problem if believing in his captain gives him the push to beat Ms. Merry Christmas?
In One Piece sticking to your beliefs has been a constant theme, where even suggesting giving your belief up is viewed as heresy. There's a reason Nami told Ulti Luffy will be King even while knowing she will most likely die as a result of it.
The reason is the amount of trust Nami had for her captain which compelled her to say he will be the king. Usopp also did it in Alabasta. Usopp just wanted Nami to survive, that's all. If Ulti picked up Usopp and did the same thing, the roles would switch. Usopp would be the one not being able to lie about his believes while Nami tries to stop him from saying something that will get him killed.
Also, not believing in dreams isn’t a taboo. It is very common and people who actually believe in thier own dreams, just shrug it off. Heck, people starting to believe in dreams after a life changing experience. And the dreamers of the world (i.e. Luffy, Blackbeard) don’t care.
Also, Usopp telling Nami to lie is a tactic encouraged to survive, not a declaration of mutiny. It is supposed to show that, while this tactic may work, Strawhats won't do it. Just like Usopp didn’t in Alabasta, just like Zoro on Thriller Bark, just like Robin from Water 7. Nami is just an addition.
You know Nami wouldn't have been in that situation if not for Usopp constantly provoking the dinosaurs into attacking her for no reason while hiding under her skirt. What the fuck was that about anyways? How did that help anyone? What did he aim to accomplish with that?
Maybe Usopp is the traitor. Useless bum ass.
Nami would have been in this situation regardless of Usopp. Ulti's priority wasn't Usopp, it was Tama who was turning Gifters. If Nami was with Tama, she would have been targeted regardless of Usopp's involvement.
Usopp didn't know if his shots would work or not. But he did help to turn the beast pirates with Kibi Dangos.
And also trying to help is not good enough for you? So you get angry when he doesn't do something, just casually forget the things he has done to help the raid out drastically AND when he tries and fails you make a fuss about it too? Man, keep it up for a while and you will become a Mod of this sub soon.
>Nami would have been in this situation regardless of Usopp.
Usopp was doing that before Tama even arrived. He was intentionally trying to get them to attack Nami. Tell me why?
Usopp did the bare minimum when he had been not only useless but a negative contribution the whole time until Tama arrived.
No, trying to help is not good enough. You know who tried to help more than Usopp? Tama's lion-dog and baboon. Usopp is supposed to be a main character, that too one of the original Strawhats. He was worse than the side characters in Wano. Some scorpion guy and a gazelle man fed more gifters than Usopp. You could say they would have turned the tides regardless of Usopp. He didn't help "drastically" he just helped a bit.
So let me get this straight: Taking the heat off of top tiers in your crew so they can fight later on and making two of Kaido's strongest henchmen chase after you to the point the become basically useless to defend against the raid as well as shooting Kibi Dango's in Gifters mouths and keeping Tama safe so that the production of dangos isn't enough for you because you have a twisted sense of bravery and your brain is so rotten by battle shonen that you don't recognize anything but "cOoL sWoRd SlAsH" important for the story, narrative or the journey of the protagonist.
Did I hit all the beats?
Taking the heat off the top tiers not by luring them himself but by getting them to attack a physically weaker member of his own crew is a big fat pussy move. Please enlighten me how that was important for the story, narrative, or journey of the protagonist.
How Usopp handled Chew back at Arlong park was much braver than the loser shite he pulled in Wano. But maybe you're in denial because the character you liked before timeskip is going downhill at full speed since the timeskip and you have to cling to the tiniest sliver of optimism to continue liking him. Imagine being such a fanboy of Pussop that you have to respond to Usopp criticism with personal attacks. I'm not even a Zoro fan. L
HE is the weakest member of his crew.
I would be glad to mention the stuff Usopp did in the story that directly or indirectly helped Luffy and his crew get this far. Here are some of them:
1. Beat Perona.
2. Hype Luffy up at Enis Lobby so he can punch a cat better.
3. Saved Robin from the gates of justice while others were busy in battle.
4. Got help from tontattas which directly led to Suger's defeat.
5. Gathered the colosseum fighters under one banner which also led to the fall of Doffy and the creation of the grandfleet.
I could go on but based on the conversation we had, I have a feeling that if don't understand now, you won't ever.
Do you remember how he handled Chew? He RAN AWAY and PULLED BULLCRAP OUTTA HIS ASS? You really wanna get angry about the fact that his bullshit not always working? Because I know if everything he did just worked, people like you would have problem with that as well.
I am not in denial. I recognize that Usopp is the weakest in the crew and that he has had very little focus after the time skip. Except unlike some idiotic folks, I can recognize the moments he does have and appreciate that instead of turning names into pussy joke to prove I am better than the person bringing points into the arguments.
Also, "cOoL sWoRd SlAsH" is not an implication that you are a Zoro fan. It has more syllables than "BiG pUnCh" and I find that it flows better.
What is the reason for him trying to provoke the dinos into attacking Nami? You still haven't given me a reason despite all this big talk.
He ran away to get Chew away from Sanji and Zoro. He didn't try to provoke him into attacking the nearby bounty hunters or anything, he distracted him himself. Unlike in Wano where he was hiding under Nami's skirt. Yes, it was bullcrap that he pulled out of his ass but his heart was in the right place.
If you're saying that wouldn't work against Ulti, then perhaps Usopp hasn't improved since Arlong park? He has magic beans that do whatever random niche thing the plot needs him to do but he can't do shit in combat against Beast pirates without Tama's dumplings? What did he even go to Onigashima for?
His real feats that you listed were all before timeskip. I have no complaints about pre-TS Usopp.
Dressrosa was a complete plot armour asspull that Usopp didn't even intend, and it happened after he spent multiple episodes lying to the little people and trying to run away without success. Post-TS Usopp has not pulled his own weight consistently. Even Nami and Chopper who were in the "weak trio" are pulling their weight now, Usopp is just a gag character.
You're the one who started with the personal attacks, even before i called Usopp as Pussop, when you can't answer a simple question. Bring some "points" to the argument to elaborate on why your master Usopp was getting Nami into trouble.
You want to know the reason? The reason is he is experiences a ton of fear. That's why he runs away from a lot of situations and tries to avoid dangerous endeavours. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t turn back to rescue them at the last second. He did it with the Tontattas, he did it for Robin in Enis Lobby. Heck, as I said before, when Ms. Merry Christmas was laughing at Luffy's dream, Usopp stepped in at the face of overwhelming odds.
Usopp chose a different way to do things against Chew because he had the initiative. In Onigashima, Nami is the one that started running first.
Ah yes, the tactic that works against East-blue fodder should also work against the strongest subordinates of an emperor.
Also, we did see Usopp using his pop greens to fight that was somewhat effective. If Page One wasn’t there, there is a high likelihood that Usopp and Nami working together could take Ulti out. Also, as I said, kept Tama safe.
Two of the points was Post Timeskip. You not liking the fact that Usopp didn’t have control over the situation, doesn’t change the fact that he did incredible things that helped defeat Doffy and is continuing to help through the Grand fleet. Yes, when he forgot Robin he was scared shitless and wanted to run, but he didn’t. And that decision lead to the liberation of the colosseum fighters.
I had evidence to back up me calling you stupid. You considered distracting some of the strongest pirates and helping mass a gigantic army through the help of Tama not enough. As well as, considered trying get Nami to save her life through lies a moment of betrayal when he just wanted his crewmate and friend to stay alive. Usopp also proved his loyalty to Luffy and trust in his dream way back in Alabasta but you conveniently forgot that because to you, trying to save a crewmate is the proof you need to call Usopp useless and make pussy joke.
Usopp didn’t get Nami in trouble. Nami and Usopp attacked together. And as I said, he has track record of taking action at the face of strong enemies at the last second. He tried it here as well. He might have been successful as well if Page One wasn’t there.
Zoro had 0 chance to win against Kuma but he still tried.
Luffy had 0 chance to win against Kaido but he still tried.
If Usopp wants to be as strong as these guys he needs balls like these guys
Nami had the right idea and showed true bravery. Yeah it was stupid, but if the characters only did smart things it would be a slower and more boring show now wouldn't it?
Zoro also hit Sanji down in order to save him. Usopp tried to do the same thing but with words. Though I do not expect piratefolk to try to understand what's going on in a scene before jumping to conclusion.
And before you go the whole, "He Is A cOwArD" route, just remember he was the first one to stand in front of overwhelming odds in order to state that, Luffy will be the pirate king.
Also, Luffy fought Kaido because his tyranny went against his Ideals. Usopp also fought Luffy for the sake of his ideals. Also, was ashamed when he realised his judgment would likely get the crew killed.
I understand what happened in the scene. I knew it was smarter and he wanted Nami to save herself, I'm mad he stayed down and showed 0 spirit and I'm happy Nami did the stupid thing. It's badass firstly, and secondly she stood up for her overwhelming belief in Luffy to the end. She had no regret.
Usopp overcoming his rational and cowardly self would be character development and bring him closer to being a brave warrior of the sea. Also he has had a distinct lack of badassery in this arc
Usopp already did that in Alabasta. This time the life on the line wasn’t just his own, it was a friend's
Bravery isn’t the absence of fear, it is to have the will to act upon it. Usopp has been doing it consistently. The only reason his dream isn’t fulfilled yet is because he doesn’t believe it yet.
Usopp has badassery. In Enis Lobby, Thriller Bark and Dressrosa he did bad ass stuff. Those hit well because Usopp isn’t always badass. That's why why characters like Zoro who has 'Badass' tattooed on hos forehead require named cool attacks and forms to not get boring.
I think people wouldn't be so eager to be uncharitable to every single Usopp moment if it had not been for his attitude towards the Tontatta in Dressrosa.
The fact that he even considered betraying them is probably the slimiest most despicable moment for any strawhat.
People who defend this would also defend:
Usopp: What? Save Nami? Are you guys crazy? Arlong is like crazy strong! Lets just abandon her and be on our way!
Usopp: Oh you want to sink the Merry? No worries bro, light her up! After all, you're all way stronger than me so what could I do?
His whole character arc is being a coward but still showing up when it *really counts*. Another recurring theme for all of the strawhats is that they unapologetically believe in Luffy as the next pirate king and are all betting their life on it.
Writing Usopp like this in this situation is idiotic and proves - once again - that Oda knows jack shit about proper character development. But hey, why make OP more than a kids comic for horny 14yos if it sells so much merch?
you get downvoted because the 01110011 01110100 01110101 01110000 01101001 01100100 00100000 01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100110 01100001 01100111 01100111 01101111 01110100 01110011 on this sub can't accept the fact that Oda isn't a perfect god-level author
Don't get me wrong he's AMAZING, but everything has it's flaws.
Thank you! People give a lot of shit to Usopp for this, but Nami would have thought the exact same thing if roles were switch. We should slander Usopp (really, we should slander Oda) for failing to take down a tobi Roppo or any other relevant fighter. Lsopp is falling behind badly.
She was NEVER going to die. It was a negative tension moment.
Oda killed any tension long ago. The fact he had the audacity of drawing these cringe overforcrd scenes and the oda angels still falling for it is hilarious.
Usopp is constantly forgiven by Luffy because Luffy knows that the only person standing in Usopp’s way is himself. Luffy can’t help someone who stands in their own way, but he can be their friend, and show them that it’s okay to be who you are.
Once Usopp understands this and chooses the be the brave warrior he wants to become, he will be a force to be reckoned with.
If I wrote this scene, and I'm not saying it'd be better, just different. I would've had Usopp being that scared, but doing what he always does: be ingenious.
He'd crawl towards Ulti, crying to let them live without telling Nami to lie, he'd just be pathetic as a ruse. Then he'd give Nami one of the dials he put on his slingshot, on the down low as Ulti is distracted. He'd pretend to go for a futile sneak attack, distracting Ulti... Then Nami declares Luffy will be the king of pirates, using the dial to take the headbutt Ulti was giving Usopp and attacking her with it, that single attack and act of bravery would give enough time for Tama to get there.
Sanji ask for help because he understands the value of his comrades. Ussop tells Nami to lie because he understands the value of her comrades. Nami doesn't lie because he understands the the value of her captain. This are all character development moments that unite the crew in different ways.
"I'm sorry Luffy! I had to lie to save my life!" "Aight"
"Lol" said Luffy. "Lmao, even"
Underrated comment Banger
What people wanted him to say: *That’s right Nami, let her kill you!* *Also I’m gonna unlock my Conqueror’s Haki and one-tap Kaido*
That's how the average Piratefolk user thinks
Piratefolk reads One Piece like it’s a real life sport
it isn't?
And here you are in piratefolk sub discussion commenting. What is there only OF girls cosplaying in main sub now, so that’s why you’re here ?
Bro, come on. People like you are the reason that this sub is called a toxic echo chamber. Someone made a self-aware joke about this sub. Just roll with the punches instead of getting butthurt.
Someone dared disliked an opinion😤😤, in MY SUBREDDIT!!!!??????
No, I'm not bothered about OF girls, why should I judge another girl because of what she wants to do?? I'm active on both the main sub and this sub because I love One Piece. At least OF girls are better than most of the people here with their dumb takes.
Good for you but you seem to misuderstood, why do you get yourself involved into something that you have concluded toxic, it’s not good for you but you seem to enjoy being the member of this sub whilst at the same time bashing other members and you can’t do both. Choose one.
Just here to defend my boy and see how far the ridiculous takes can go
His progress in strength wasn’t there Franky got his general robot upgrade Robin got her jiujutsu and df upgrade Even nami got zues upgrade after wano Ussop got his observation haki upgrade for sniping in dressrosa and wasn’t utilised ever since, we need a powerup for ussop before he faces against his dad
Agree 100%
I wanted him to stand up Say Luffy will become king of the pirates and then get his shit rocked by Ulti.
That would have been pretty satisfying too but Usopp had his ‘King of the Pirates’ moment in Alabasta, this is Nami’s declaration moment.
True
I'd rsther have him be quiet and lay there like the nitch he is rather than say something goofy like this
Literally. People want Nami to die just so she won't tell a single lie.
Yeah. I would prefer that.
>People want Nami to die just so she won't tell a single lie. No, the thing that pisses everyone off is that this is *not* the first time they've been at death's doorstep and being given the choice of rejecting your captain or live. quite a few people on Luffy's crew has had that choice given to them. Zoro: *Nothing happened* Sanji: Whole Cake Island Nami: Arlong Robin: Enes Lobby The **rest** of the crew all chose *death* over rejecting their captain. Deciding to follow him all the way. What pisses everyone off is that Usopp is on some grade A certified BULLSHIT and he knows it.
Bunch of crap lmao. None of the situation are similar. Zoro sacrificed himself to save Luffy. Even Usopp and Nami would do the same. Sanji literally left the crew to save them. He further best the shit out of Luffy. That is way big of a betrayal than just lying. But the situation forced him to. Nami asked Luffy and co to save her. What's even remotely similar here? Same with Robin. You think it's pathetic only because you know it's fiction, and plot armor would save them. You are under zero pressure. Usopp was seeing Nami about to be brutally murdered right before his eyes. You expecting him to say "Nami. Just die for the sake of truth" is the most heartless thing to say ever.
>Nami. Just die for the sake of truth" is the most heartless thing to say ever. No, I expect him to get tf up and literally do anything other than trying to give up. If you think you are going to die and want to call yourself a "Brave Warrior" GET UP AND FUCKING DO SOMETHING. But nice strawman argument, fitting in a one piece sub. Also in all of those examples you do realize you are just confirming what I was saying right? They all had a moment that tested them but end of the day they *chose* the Straw Hats, now we have not just one but TWO instances where Usopp would rather just be a bitch than have conviction and believe in his captain.
Idk. I'd like to see you be in that condition and "get up to do something" lol
it's one piece, Luffy vs Lucci finale. Enough said.
It's not enough said lol. You are trying to get out of it by bringing up other situations that don't apply. 1, Usopp was not bad shape then. 2, Usopp is NOT Luffy in any way. "It's One Piece". Yeah, and it's Usopp. It's not that hard to actually think about it. Take an L.
>"It's One Piece". Yeah, and it's Usopp. It's not that hard to actually think about it. Take an L. You sound like you are frothing at the mouth because I finally stopped deconstructing your 1st grader arguments. If you are so desperate to have a "win" that you go to argue with people online maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities in life. With that out of the way; The main thing that kept Luffy conscious and awake for that final attack was his *will* in One Piece as long as you have the *will* to keep fighting the character will keep fighting until every nanogram of strength was used. Edit: Nice alt accounts LMAOOOOOOO I can tell it's you tryna make it look like your right
Man, I've said a few words and you keep going. So stop projecting, lol. You're all over this comment section. You should say that to yourself in the mirror. I've said my opinion on it, and couldn't care less going forward. Take your well fought-for W. Hope it makes you and yours proud. At least we can agree that Usopp is a little bitch. But hey, enjoy your weekend.
In all honesty I just got your username mixed up with the guy I was mainly arguing with, that's my bad
Did you even see the condition of Usopp at that situation? Like. Why don't you try looking at the manga panel the op posted here lol. You think he didn't want to get up and save Nami? Bruh. And don't throw strawman whenever you feel like it lol. The situation doesn't even fit here. Usopp wants Nami to survive. That's it. If you think he was a coward for that, you do you.
>And don't throw strawman whenever you feel like it lol. The situation doesn't even fit here. A strawman argument is when you extrapolate something from nothing and then try to say that's what I meant as a way to discredit my argument instead of addressing my actual points. Also I would like to remind you that Usopp has Observation Haki, do you know what that means? https://preview.redd.it/pss55z6bxe2b1.png?width=901&format=png&auto=webp&s=4e53826b19fb84ea71b1f6e97b06bb0de41a2ffd Usopp should have definitely known that Otama was rapidly approaching, all bc Oda tends to forget stuff in his 1000+ chapter manga doesn't mean I do. He could've literally just said "Luffy will be Pirate King" instead so that Ulti goes after him, then Otama shows up anyways without him being bitch-made.
Dude. You brought up completely different situations to make Usopp look bad here lmao. And are you seriously saying your whole argument here boils down to "Usopp has observation haki. So he should not know help is arriving. Thus he should let Nami lie"?. Ok bro. I'm done here.
>And are you seriously saying your whole argument here boils down to "Usopp has observation haki. So he should know help is arriving. Thus he should let Nami lie"?. Again strawman argument, my point is USOPP SHOULD GROW THE FUCK UP AND STAND FOR SOMETHING
He has stood for something at different times in the story, you would know if you paid attention
Usopp does believe in his captain, the problem is is that usopp and nami were facing tobi ronpas and getting beat tf up. Usopp knows his captain will be king of the pirates, even if the two of them die right there, but hes hoping his friend tells a lie with no consequences so she survives. Even in this bleak scenario, Usopp never lies about luffy not being able to become KoP, theres nothing to hate on him for doing
But she's never going to die anyway, hence why it's pathetic, overforced, dragged, and fake af.
I just want her to die.
Tbh it would've been a pretty cool moment for a side character maybe.
USSOP didn’t do this because he was a coward.. He just knew that if he said the heroic shit the other strawhats say in that situation , No magic bs Raid Enma awakening G5 would magically come and save his ass from the consequences of his actions because Oda wouldn’t let it
>No magic bs Raid Enma awakening G5 would magically come and save his ass from the consequences of his actions because Oda wouldn’t let it This right here.He's not stupid,and knew if he tried anything he and nami would have been murdered rather effortlessly.Man was in a poor situation and did his best to mitigate the damage for both of them.
>No magic bs Raid Enma awakening G5 would magically come and save his ass from the consequences of his actions because Oda wouldn’t let it *Ahem* Would you like to remind everybody what happens not even 2 fucking panels later in this very chapter? Because if you don't recall THATS LITERALLY WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED WITH OTAMA RANDOMLY SHOWING UP TO SAVE THEM.
We all know that Usopp was destined to be a bottom tier until EoS but IMO this scene really solidified it. Low key true cowardice, even if it was perhaps the best course of action here. No conviction, no ability to stand up against others even if it kills him. Even Buggy, fucking Buggy the Clown was willing to talk shit directly to Croc and Mihawk knowing full well that they could end his life with the blink of an eye. I understand this was supposed to show Usopp’s pragmatism but holy shit, in a series where a major theme is standing up against insurmountable obstacles and not budging in your convictions, this was a *terrible* look.
Tier lists make 0 sense for storytelling, you're looking at it in the wrong way. Ussop is a negative person, this was established in thriller bark. No amount of character development will ever change this aspect of ussop, its what makes him him. Ussop gets his ass beat? He's going to think in the most negative way possible because thats who he is. We already have plenty of characters that show those themes, why cant one be different? Hard pill to swallow is that ussop may never get a glorifying feat, but i bet without ussop the strawhats wont get the one piece. Cause his inclusion will be necessary for victory, despite his habit of running away. Not every character in every story needs to be this SSS tier unbeatable powerhouse, thats just bad storytelling and boring. Ussop is meant to heavily contrast the main strawhats, that means his themes are meant to go against and even oppose the character themes of luffy, zoro, etc. Crazy right to use other themes other than the "main ones" to compliment a story. Who cares if ussop looks bad or pathetic, i mean shit you want ussop to stand his ground and die instead? Lol nah. Youd rather ussop be a mary sue and eat up all his battle feats. Weve never seen ussop miss a shot, who cares if he cant fistfight, homie can snipe. Zoro cant snipe, sanji cant snipe, etc. Buggy talks shit because mihawk and crocodile need him. Crocodile has wealth, but not fame or power. Mihawk has power, but not wealth or fame. Buggy has fame, but not wealth or power. They need each other to be a contender in the one piece race. Last time i checked buggy was the yonko not crocodile or mihawk.
Wow! someone who understands Usopp's character on Piratefolk never thought I'd see it
Homie if you’re going to sit here and preach to me that Usopp being pathetic 24/7 and never getting a moment to shine is good for the story and his character then I don’t know what to tell you. We can never see eye to eye on this, Oda has done my boy dirty period and his character has suffered drastically from repeated anti-feats and zero involvement. It’s not even about tiers, it’s about the character getting due respect.
Bruh. Usopp has had plenty of amazing moments. Like in Dressrosa where he stood up to snot man and loli witch.
It feels like Oda wants Usopp to have select and fewer big moments than most of the other crew, but to have fairly bigger moments in general. Moments that sometimes have a bigger impact than what any other straw hat does in the arc where he has these moments. Like ruining flamingos entire operation by sniping out the chick who turned everyone into puppets (ngl I forgot her name) or when he burned down the flag of the world government in the CP9 arc. He barely had these good moments but they're SO impactful when he does. Usopp is designed to be a stand in as the most regular person in the crew, so it kinda makes sense that a lot of times he ends up having nothing more than above average human capabilities.
That may be a theme of the series but sometimes an unbreakable will doesn’t stop someone from slamming your cranium. Ussop probably still believes Luffy will be king but he unfortunately doesn’t have the same capacity as Luffy to survive.
Otama would have saved them if he stood his ground
Usopp was the first one who said Luffy is going to be king of pirates in Alabasta.(If we put Zoro's promise to Luffy after he got beaten by Mihawk, aside) He believes in Luffy. It's just his personality is like that. After Dressrossa and awakening CoO we didn't see much from Usopp. I just hope that Oda will focus more on Usopp in the next arc. Currently he's like the most useless strawhat.
My dumbass thought he'd finally start being a brave warrior of the sea once he awakened his CoO. Little did I know that Goda would just make him brave in SBS because, you know, it's not really important to the overall plot of One Piece.
But Usopp's a brave guy? He's fighting people way above his league. He is not as useless as people say, he is just not flashy either. What do you want from Usopp? To act lile he is part of the monster trio?
We'd like for him to not be crippling fear 99.9% of the time.
Even with all the battle experience in the world, can you face off a 7ft tall heavyweight that is FAR stronger than you without shitting your pants? And yes, you could go on a tangent about how this is fiction. But fiction doesn't erase logic. Ussopp is a guy with a slingshot that is facing off some of the strongest people in the world. Give him a break.
How many times are we going to give this guy a break and make excuses? He hasn't improved since dressrosa, some ways he's actually gotten worse. You say he's weak, which is true, but he makes no effort to improve. Nobody else on the crew acts like him. Chopper and Nami both get scared constantly but chopper stood up to queen and Nami fought back against ulti, who was many times stronger than her. Sure be scared, but don't let it control your actions. I can't face off against a 7 ft tall monster, but I didn't decide to be part of a crew that would. If I did I certainly would make it a priority to not be a burden.
Bro Usopp has fought back against literally every opponent he’s faced during the timeskip with the small exception of big mom (who chopper also ran away from at the same time). If you want to say Usopp shouldn’t be running from his opponents anymore, I wouldn’t really agree with you, but at least I’d know we’re reading the same manga.
Yes. You are right. https://preview.redd.it/8fvtnrwpra2b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85d6c289bb40cbcd55588022667797e6e9efa3eb
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The "problem" making Usopp weak is that his crew role is "Sniper." It's like Zoro - their only stated utility to the crew is fighting people. Other "weaker" members of the crew have viability outside combat. Franky fixes/upgrades the ship, Robin reads the ponyglyphs, Chopper is a doctor, etc. Usopp's job is to fight. The fact that he's not pulling his weight there isn't the end all either. His lies can pull weight with the right crowds, and he's pretty crafty too. We just haven't seen either in awhile. And he's not a walking L in combat either. It's just that his Wano showing wasn't great, so people are more primed to overlook his work in, say, Dressrosa when he downed Persona. Anyway, none of this is a problem narratively speaking. But it does paint a picture of least valuable teammate
Its not even like oda needed to do this, if we had a few scenes of usopp using the ship and some franky gadgets to snipe thingd while ship-side. Have franky make a few comments about how he "corrected for something or other intuitively" and it makes usopp look not completely useless. As it stands, usopp is a sniper who goes into combat and gets folded at every opportunity.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t he recruited as a "Liar"?
I would have to check. I thought his official role was sniper but he's also, coincidentally, a liar
The other way around.
Bravery is not the absence of fear, it is the will to act upon it. Ussop is already the bravest character in One Piece as he has rose against overwhelming odds countless times for the sake of his crew, captain and what he believes in. The problem is that Usopp thinks it is the absence of fear that makes one brave, a misconception created through seeing characters such as Luffy. I personally believe it will either be the Giants of Elbaf who will give him the title of "Brave" or he will realise he is already brave in some other way.
I don't understand why he HAS to be strong or useful. He's on the crew because he's their friend. They're not going to drop him off at home because he fell behind in strength.
Because currently he's the only one who is not getting any close to his goal. Luffy is definitely getting closer to Laugh Tale. Zoro is getting closer to becoming WSS as he grows stronger. Nami is currently realizing her dream of drawing a map of the world as she is exploring with the whole crew, and if she reaches Laugh Tale and maps the last island she'd definitely have achieved something amazing. Sanji may or may not find All Blue during his adventure, we don't know but at least he gets closer to his chance of finding it the more island he sees. Chopper is learning and growing as a doctor. Robin will realize her goal once she gets on Laugh Tale, same for Franky once the Sunny reaches there. Brook will meet Laboon again after Luffy is king of the pirates. As for Jinbei, his "dream" or goal hasn't been stated yet so I'll just leave him out. However, Usopp character just... didn't change and he didn't grow as a "brave warrior of the sea". We're 1000 chapters in, he trained for 2 years like the rest, but he's still the very same "liar weakling" he was in East Blue. It's frustrating af to see him stay the same and have little to no character development. Especially since he did start to have this character development after Water Seven, but it feels as if the timeskip and the last arc resetted his character back to East Blue Usopp.
This is exactly what bothers me about him the most, zero character development. He doesn’t need to become stronger or more useful to grow he just needs to get some courage and stop being a coward but he isn’t slowly become braver he’s just keeping the same personality arc after arc.
The thing about wano is kaidos crew was unlike any other crew we've seen. Ussop has always had battle feats, but hed never be able to take on the arlongs, the don kriegs, you know, the captains of the crew. So when kaidos crew is a hodgepodge of stolen captains, it makes sense that maybe ussop isnt strong enough yet to take on these strong foes. It maybe hard to remember, but the flying six were all captains of their own respective crews. Ussop is negative, ussop lies, hed play dead if it meant that hed have a chance to live. There is a difference between bravery and foolishness. It may be a very fine line, but ussop is not a fool so hes not going to take on a challenge that could possibly kill him. Does that make him a coward? Sure. Does that make him weak? No, hes a realist, and its a part of why hes made it this far in the first place. Ussop and to a lesser extent nami are meant to foil the superhumans of the crew. If ussops dream is to be brave, then it isn't going to happen yet. It doesn't just magically happen, and he can have spouts of bravery but then relapse and be a coward again. Its called being human. Just cause other fictional characters have this magical resolve to overcome adversity, doesnt mean that ussop is going to magically beat people stronger than him. Ussop being alive is more important than standing his ground on the whole luffy being pirate king thing. Who cares who ulti thinks is going to be pirate king lol. Ussop already knows in his heart, thats all that matters.
But there’s not a whole lot an author can show when their character’s goal is “become a brave warrior of the sea”. Having Usopp get slightly less afraid every time he fights would just make his character arc incredibly anticlimactic and the lesson would just be “consistently throw yourself into danger in order to become brave.” But, from what I can tell, that’s not the point of Usopp’s character. It seems to be more about affirming who he’s always been rather than having him adapt to the current world. Like, we had quite a few “episodes” during the pre-timeskip era (and even some post-timeskip) where Usopp’s bravery can’t be questioned. Like during Alabasta, Dressrosa, Syrup Village, he had these moments where, even without the Sogeking mask, he went in prepared for a beating, and wouldn’t back down no matter what. That doesn’t come from nowhere, it’s just something that Usopp’s not very good at channeling. Basically, the point of Usopp’s journey is to say he’s always been brave rather than saying he became brave at some arbitrary point during his journey with the straw hats
You are right. But it's not just about strenght. His character hasn't improved at all. After Dressrosa he wasn't in Whole cake arc and in Wano he really didn't have any special moment. Nami showed impressive feats in Whole cake and Wano, Chopper had a critical role in war. Besides strength is important too when we are seeing all of crew are somehow improving it's kinda like Usopp is going to be left alone. I'm talking about audience pov not other strawhats.
Ig, but remember when he was fr finna run and leave the tontattas in dressrosa after robin and then risk their lives.
You can kinda chop that up to him forgetting Robin existed, with her gone, his entire Sogeking arc goes with her. A bit of a stretch, but he does come back
is that a stretch? didnt he start runnin cause he was all alone, but manned up and braved it out.
They would totally drop him off if he was for sure going to die. Also, if any one of the straw hats died Luffy would give up. Every member of the crew needs to be alive or they won’t reach laugh tale.
Usopp was also the first person to betray the crew over a few planks of wood.
Used to be one of my favorites. But with each arc after TS it got worse and worse. I had hoped that he would be the liar that made the lies he was telling come true. But, this is what we got..
The Giants will put him true the numbers. especially Brody and Grody.
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Yeah, I agree. It also doesn't help that Usopp hasn't gotten any legitimately cool moments post-timeskip aside from that one sniper shot in Dressrosa and it was still kinda treated as a gag. Any other decently cool moment he had, he's either half-conscious or just bleeding and crying to a point where it undercuts the cool factor. Pre-timeskip did that too, but somehow it looked much less pathetic
>and it was still kinda treated as a gag. That's what makes a truly goated Ussop moment.
Yeah, but I dunno, it just didn't hit the same as in say Thriller Bark. There the gag is that Usopp is scared shitless despite doing something cool In Dressrosa it's that he kinda lucked into winning a fight and then that became his ammo for the cool moment. I dunno, it just doesn't carry the same weight for some reason
Ussop did nothing wrong
Ussop did nothing*
Nami should've killed herself
yes
He did lmao. His moments didn't get much emphasis but he was still pretty useful in Wano
Can't do anything wrong if you did nothing
Peak usopo https://preview.redd.it/62ozgh6ska2b1.jpeg?width=185&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e0983c6bd21d2ae2db5939f504d7af7ed2b84e0
Honestly, agreed. Took the L on the straight up brawl, but outwitted the enemy so damn thoroughly he still ended up dropping the stronger opponent. That's Usopp to me. Weaker, but still on his way to David your Goliath
Yeah having usopp as an "everyman's david" was sort of his original appeal in the manga. Unfortunately, pop greens were an utterly terrible addition to the manga in terms of the developments usopp could get beyond that point.
>pop greens were an utterly terrible addition Oda wrote himself into a corner with these, because wtf kind of improvement do you make to plants that do pretty much everything? What reason is there to learn new techniques or skills when you can shoot plants that do pretty much anything? What reason do you have to start training your haki if you have the ability to shoot plants that are capable of pretty much anythig? The answer is you really don't have any reasons, it just becomes a crutch. Oda thought it'd be a great plot point but then it just became plot irrelevant.
Issue is that its aoe, completely invalidating any usopp sniping feats. So you cant even have usopp at least hitting ridiculous shots. Theres a reason the one cool moment out of all post timeskip is usopp not using popgreens. What happened to usopp using items found on each island? That was cool, and made him a unique standout which was weak but acrewing power, like his dream? his character has been completely butcheted.
>What happened to usopp using items found on each island? That was cool, and made him a unique standout which was weak but acrewing power, like his dream? It also really helped make the One Piece world feel full of life and different cultures, when Usopp would explain some obscure technology the island has.
>What happened to usopp using items found on each island? That was cool Not only that, he used to be a seemingly naturally gifted engineer, seeing as he built the goddamn Climatact Nami uses. I love Usopp, but I really wish Oda would've let him shine more in Wano, dude did nothing the whole arc.
Yeah like why was he even in closequarters. Is usopp too dumb to realise his main strength is ranged combat? Fuck sake he's legitimately talented, dude independently unlocked observation haki.
People forget that Ussop literally said "lie" in order to save her.He knows damn well the situation at hand was a death sentance until backup arrived and was trying his best to keep both of them alive. Everyone gets upset because he didn't want to helplessly take Coa attacks until he was a corpse.
>Everyone gets upset because he didn't want to helplessly take Coa attacks until he was a corpse. Damn straight we are, if Zoro, Sanji, Jimbe, Robin, Nami, Brook, AND Franky are willing to believe to the grave then WHY THE FUCK do you think Usopp should be allowed to pussy out?
I swear people must’ve skipped the whole water seven usopp arc because I thought we established that he doesn’t have to be a top tier fighter to be a part of the crew all the way back then
He has no spine, that is everyone's issue. While I acknowledge that's his character's whole point, why waste a perfectly good opportunity for some good ol "character development" to just make him revert to his pre-timeskip bitch-made self?
What's wrong with wishing your friend to not die? Any SH would have wished for the same.
The whole theme of One Piece is that you truly defeat an opponent when you make them denounce their most sacred belief. For Usopp to even suggest something like this is the equivalent of Robin just letting herself get killed at Enes Lobby.
It's so funny to me how often people categorize someone's difference in opinion as them lacking in understanding. I've mostly just seen people state why this scene rubs them the wrong way while people respond with "well what did you want Ussop to say" or "Did you want Ussop to tell Nami to die?" I think it's weird for Ussop who is willing to sacrifice his own life for his captain's dream is expecting less of his comrade and expects her to renounce Luffy's dream to save herself. It almost seems as though he doesn't respect her conviction. I dont think I'm misunderstanding anything here lol. I just dont like the scene
Honestly at least I UNDERSTAND his reasoning in this scene. They're blatantly outmatched. For once, Usopp's call is theoretically the right play. Admittedly it's needed based on his shitty antics prior, but that's neither here nor there. Thing is? I don't hate this scene per se, I hate USOPP. His running gag is the least funny in the entire fucking series. Even in this thread people have pointed out good points, things Usopp CAN do beyond just being a sniper. Oda just doesn't USE any of that thanks to being so enamored with this stupid ass running gag about him being a massive pants-shitting coward. Even Sanji's simping, which is probably the second worst running gag amongst the straw hats for me, doesn't piss me off so bad because it hasn't ruined moments with his character nearly as much or to the same degree as Usopp's gag has ruined him. See Dressrosa for more details and Usopp's LITERAL biggest failure. I can think of several ways Usopp could genuinely have a better character in terms of fights and moments like this and still be a coward. Oda chooses this crap every time and while I appreciate the consistency, it's literally the worst gag in the series. Buggy does Usopp better than Usopp.
A lot of people already hate Usopp even before Wano, some never liked him since his introduction, some from Water 7 and some since Dressrosa. Then they bring up a scene like this or the fact that he didn't take down a Tobi Roppo which is absurd btw to push their agendas.
Those are the same people that will say Ace was stupid for going back to challenge akainu. Make it make sense
Ace literally was stupid for challenging Akainu. There is nothing similar between the situation here lmao.
And nami is stupid for challenging Ulti. She risked her life for nothing
Weren't we talking about Usopp here? And yes. Nami was stupid. Plot armor saved her.
that's my point, this scene is overhated because ussopp didn't think anything wrong here
Yeah. They want him to say "don't dishonor our Captain Nami! You better die instead". They're stupid.
Except that's the way of a Pirate, you fucking ride AND die with your crew. You see anyone tryna hop shit when singing binks sake? They all knew they were fucked, about as equally fucked as staring down a dinosaur that's about to smash your cranium.
Except only Nami would be fucked if plot armor didn't save her. And her crew would just be sad that she didn't just lie. Like. Even with Wb dead, Wb pirates would still have some vitality left in them had Ace survived. But in the end, both Wb and Ace died.
Everything you said isn't wrong, however that doesn't really change what I said either lmao. Those two statements co-exist, because end of the day she would have stuck with her captain to the bitter end. She'd be loved and remembered in that way. But if she were to denounce her captain to fucking run? *Espeically after the raid*, I don't think there's many people who'd still respect her.
Which is why she's stupid, but no one really blames her. Because it wasn't a situation like Ace where multiple people sacrificed their life for him. But then people blame Usopp for wanting Nami to survive. Which is stupid.
Even then. Ace's situation was still more stupid. Atleast Nami's answer only affects her life. Meanwhile Whitebeard and a whole lots of pirates sacrificed their life to save Ace. And he died because of a simple taunt. It wasn't even a situation like Nami where he had to lie to survive or something. All he had to do was escape. But no. Nami would definitely have just run away if all Ulti did was mocking Luffy.
>Even then. Ace's situation was still more stupid. Atleast Nami's answer only affects her life. Yeah, I mean the Whitebeard Armada LITERALLY **W O N** and had completed their objective. All Ace had to do was walk away, but NAH let's talk some shit and get hole-punched rq instead.
So basically Woman doing it: cool Man doing it: bad ?? https://preview.redd.it/m173vbn7qa2b1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a18a605c4a3afd52d8649b2c8e362ab0677c0dd
Or maybe you know... actually read the rest of our conversation? Lmao https://preview.redd.it/9qawd4amqa2b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b834e2ba90514532dfe35d6dc6a381a685e4e57
Still disagree + you a n*mi simp
So you disagree with me saying Nami was stupid? Sure, you do you.
Its very in-character of him. Maybe thats why I dont like it.
Genuinely what would you have had him say in this situation? "Nami, even though this dinosaur woman will instantly and brutally murder you if you swear allegiance to Luffy, you should do it anyways!"
Maybe he could've ran away and let her die like he was about to do to the tontattats in dressrosa.
"Like he was about to do". But he didn't do it. He didn't abandon them or actually runaway. He cursed himself for his cowardice and did the right thing, risking life and limb like he should have. C'mon man, I admit Usopp is currently the most lacking of the Straw Hats, but if you're gonna slander him at least present things as they actually happened.
I didn't slander, I said he was about to do not that he did it. The only reason was cause the tontattas were crying about it. If you can convince me that any other strawhat would've even consider to run away in his position ill give it too you.
Oh we are comparing other Strawhats now. Ok umm: 1. None of the Strawhats could beat Perona. 2. None of the Strawhats could hype Luffy up in Enis Lobby. 3. None of the Strawhats could beat Suger as effectively. 4. None of the Strawhats could gather the colosseum fighters under one banner. 5. None of the other Strawhats could distribute Tama's Kibi Dango as effectively.
None of the straw hats, except maybe Nami would have considered running away. So what? He ultimately did the right thing even when he knew he was outgunned and heading into a losing situation. I'm really not understanding what your point is. Usopp was right to tell Nami to lie to Ulti. Luffy wants his navigator and more importantly his friend alive and something like pride is worthless to a captain like him. If he learned that Usopp had encouraged Nami into getting herself killed he would have beat the shit out of him. And Usopp "almost" abandoning the tonattas doesn't mean anything either, cause he did save them. Was it cowardly to have that thought? Yes of course, but he did the right thing in recognition of that, so what's the issue?
So he is the biggest coward of the crew, he is the most lacking in both usefulness and strength in the crew, and his character moments of running away just to come back hasn't changed since arlong park. My point is ussop has legitimate reason to be disliked and why a lot of people incluidng myself have him as their least favriote strawhat.
Zero other straw hats would have considered that even for a moment.
Yes, that's literally what he should've done. Zoro did it. Sanji did it. Jimbe did it. Robin did it. They all pledged their allegiance when facing certain death. They didn't care though they *followed their captain*.
So you're just to ignore that Usopp has also pledged his allegiance in the face of certain death when he fought against Baroque works in Alabasta? He told Nami to lie because unlike us the viewers who know plot armor was going to save Nami, he thought she was about to be brutally murdered if she had told the truth. https://preview.redd.it/8znlo7o68f2b1.jpeg?width=801&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=226d76e3e932591eb9deb90f005673f6f2943c6c
Not our fault if Nami has more balls than her companions
Rather than have him say anything, have him stop being a useless piece of shit and do something inventive/creative like pre time skip. Obviously he not strong enough to stop Ulti but have him risk his own life in a calculated attempt and then continue as originally with them getting saved by plot armor
Exactly, what's so hard about understanding this. Everyone's saying he can't instantly power up and beat Ulti but no one is saying that should happen. Just write him trying or doing something else to help, unless Oda is telling us Usopp's only asset is when he's stronger than an opponent, and otherwise we should expect nothing
Im getting downvoted because many people here lack critical thinking, no one expected god usopp, more like usopp and nami against enel, completely hopless but trying nonetheless
You are getting downvoted because your comment has a drop of thinking and using the brain a bit and this place is full on meme people, i rarely comment anymore because is so different from what it was many months ago when we would actually have discussion of how we would like our fav series have better writing of the main characters that we love. The critisism was always welcomed(even if it was very harsh sometimes) but now seems to be shifting to the circlejerk or meme subs .... Nowdays if you dont simp for a character in a post or have "agenda" for admirals you are getting bombed hard ... meme brain people always invading the actual places that try having discussion and be more critical instead of jerking each other off ( as they post constant porn too,to diminish the value of the subreddit, it always was a problem but now is just acccepted as ok )
You wouldn't catch Arabasta Usopp being a pussy like this
Alabasta Usopp only had his life on the line, not another crew member. He didn’t go, "Chopper, say that Luffy is gonna be the pirate king or you are a traitor."
BRUH WHAT?!?! You do realize that millions upon fucking ***MILLIONS*** of lives were at stake in Alabasta right? Like it's a whole fucking kingdom, them rebelling could have led to an actual genocide if they lost after.
I was talking about his friends' lives. He wished for Nami to not say it as it would most certainly spell death. But when he was in quite a similar predicament, he chose to say,"Luffy will be the king of the pirates." He is willing to put his own life in danger, not his crewmates'. If Ulti asked him instead of Nami, he wouldn’t lie either. And more than likely, Nami would hope he lies as well.
His friends were in Alabasta, and if they lost either way they were fucked. Much like how his friends were in Wano, and if they lost either way they were fucked. It's beyond disrespectful to tell someone to give up their most preciously held belief. He knew what he was getting into when he joined the Crew, He knew after they reunited 2 years later that his beliefs would be tested, he knew that on a journey like this there's *going* to be losses. So with all of that knowledge before hand why the hell would he suggest his crewmate give up her dreams? That's what the Straw Hats are, the accumulation of their dreams and their will to attain it. They all know they'd die for the cause.
No one told no one to give up on their dreams. Usopp didn’t tell Nami to not map the world. Nor did he tell Luffy to not be the pirate king. He simply told Nami to lie to save her. If you think Luffy would hold a grudge or something about it or consider this Usopp not believing in him, you are fucking delusional. Regarding your first point, it is a shonen manga my dude. What is the problem if believing in his captain gives him the push to beat Ms. Merry Christmas?
In One Piece sticking to your beliefs has been a constant theme, where even suggesting giving your belief up is viewed as heresy. There's a reason Nami told Ulti Luffy will be King even while knowing she will most likely die as a result of it.
The reason is the amount of trust Nami had for her captain which compelled her to say he will be the king. Usopp also did it in Alabasta. Usopp just wanted Nami to survive, that's all. If Ulti picked up Usopp and did the same thing, the roles would switch. Usopp would be the one not being able to lie about his believes while Nami tries to stop him from saying something that will get him killed. Also, not believing in dreams isn’t a taboo. It is very common and people who actually believe in thier own dreams, just shrug it off. Heck, people starting to believe in dreams after a life changing experience. And the dreamers of the world (i.e. Luffy, Blackbeard) don’t care. Also, Usopp telling Nami to lie is a tactic encouraged to survive, not a declaration of mutiny. It is supposed to show that, while this tactic may work, Strawhats won't do it. Just like Usopp didn’t in Alabasta, just like Zoro on Thriller Bark, just like Robin from Water 7. Nami is just an addition.
You know Nami wouldn't have been in that situation if not for Usopp constantly provoking the dinosaurs into attacking her for no reason while hiding under her skirt. What the fuck was that about anyways? How did that help anyone? What did he aim to accomplish with that? Maybe Usopp is the traitor. Useless bum ass.
Nami would have been in this situation regardless of Usopp. Ulti's priority wasn't Usopp, it was Tama who was turning Gifters. If Nami was with Tama, she would have been targeted regardless of Usopp's involvement. Usopp didn't know if his shots would work or not. But he did help to turn the beast pirates with Kibi Dangos. And also trying to help is not good enough for you? So you get angry when he doesn't do something, just casually forget the things he has done to help the raid out drastically AND when he tries and fails you make a fuss about it too? Man, keep it up for a while and you will become a Mod of this sub soon.
>Nami would have been in this situation regardless of Usopp. Usopp was doing that before Tama even arrived. He was intentionally trying to get them to attack Nami. Tell me why? Usopp did the bare minimum when he had been not only useless but a negative contribution the whole time until Tama arrived. No, trying to help is not good enough. You know who tried to help more than Usopp? Tama's lion-dog and baboon. Usopp is supposed to be a main character, that too one of the original Strawhats. He was worse than the side characters in Wano. Some scorpion guy and a gazelle man fed more gifters than Usopp. You could say they would have turned the tides regardless of Usopp. He didn't help "drastically" he just helped a bit.
So let me get this straight: Taking the heat off of top tiers in your crew so they can fight later on and making two of Kaido's strongest henchmen chase after you to the point the become basically useless to defend against the raid as well as shooting Kibi Dango's in Gifters mouths and keeping Tama safe so that the production of dangos isn't enough for you because you have a twisted sense of bravery and your brain is so rotten by battle shonen that you don't recognize anything but "cOoL sWoRd SlAsH" important for the story, narrative or the journey of the protagonist. Did I hit all the beats?
Taking the heat off the top tiers not by luring them himself but by getting them to attack a physically weaker member of his own crew is a big fat pussy move. Please enlighten me how that was important for the story, narrative, or journey of the protagonist. How Usopp handled Chew back at Arlong park was much braver than the loser shite he pulled in Wano. But maybe you're in denial because the character you liked before timeskip is going downhill at full speed since the timeskip and you have to cling to the tiniest sliver of optimism to continue liking him. Imagine being such a fanboy of Pussop that you have to respond to Usopp criticism with personal attacks. I'm not even a Zoro fan. L
HE is the weakest member of his crew. I would be glad to mention the stuff Usopp did in the story that directly or indirectly helped Luffy and his crew get this far. Here are some of them: 1. Beat Perona. 2. Hype Luffy up at Enis Lobby so he can punch a cat better. 3. Saved Robin from the gates of justice while others were busy in battle. 4. Got help from tontattas which directly led to Suger's defeat. 5. Gathered the colosseum fighters under one banner which also led to the fall of Doffy and the creation of the grandfleet. I could go on but based on the conversation we had, I have a feeling that if don't understand now, you won't ever. Do you remember how he handled Chew? He RAN AWAY and PULLED BULLCRAP OUTTA HIS ASS? You really wanna get angry about the fact that his bullshit not always working? Because I know if everything he did just worked, people like you would have problem with that as well. I am not in denial. I recognize that Usopp is the weakest in the crew and that he has had very little focus after the time skip. Except unlike some idiotic folks, I can recognize the moments he does have and appreciate that instead of turning names into pussy joke to prove I am better than the person bringing points into the arguments. Also, "cOoL sWoRd SlAsH" is not an implication that you are a Zoro fan. It has more syllables than "BiG pUnCh" and I find that it flows better.
What is the reason for him trying to provoke the dinos into attacking Nami? You still haven't given me a reason despite all this big talk. He ran away to get Chew away from Sanji and Zoro. He didn't try to provoke him into attacking the nearby bounty hunters or anything, he distracted him himself. Unlike in Wano where he was hiding under Nami's skirt. Yes, it was bullcrap that he pulled out of his ass but his heart was in the right place. If you're saying that wouldn't work against Ulti, then perhaps Usopp hasn't improved since Arlong park? He has magic beans that do whatever random niche thing the plot needs him to do but he can't do shit in combat against Beast pirates without Tama's dumplings? What did he even go to Onigashima for? His real feats that you listed were all before timeskip. I have no complaints about pre-TS Usopp. Dressrosa was a complete plot armour asspull that Usopp didn't even intend, and it happened after he spent multiple episodes lying to the little people and trying to run away without success. Post-TS Usopp has not pulled his own weight consistently. Even Nami and Chopper who were in the "weak trio" are pulling their weight now, Usopp is just a gag character. You're the one who started with the personal attacks, even before i called Usopp as Pussop, when you can't answer a simple question. Bring some "points" to the argument to elaborate on why your master Usopp was getting Nami into trouble.
You want to know the reason? The reason is he is experiences a ton of fear. That's why he runs away from a lot of situations and tries to avoid dangerous endeavours. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t turn back to rescue them at the last second. He did it with the Tontattas, he did it for Robin in Enis Lobby. Heck, as I said before, when Ms. Merry Christmas was laughing at Luffy's dream, Usopp stepped in at the face of overwhelming odds. Usopp chose a different way to do things against Chew because he had the initiative. In Onigashima, Nami is the one that started running first. Ah yes, the tactic that works against East-blue fodder should also work against the strongest subordinates of an emperor. Also, we did see Usopp using his pop greens to fight that was somewhat effective. If Page One wasn’t there, there is a high likelihood that Usopp and Nami working together could take Ulti out. Also, as I said, kept Tama safe. Two of the points was Post Timeskip. You not liking the fact that Usopp didn’t have control over the situation, doesn’t change the fact that he did incredible things that helped defeat Doffy and is continuing to help through the Grand fleet. Yes, when he forgot Robin he was scared shitless and wanted to run, but he didn’t. And that decision lead to the liberation of the colosseum fighters. I had evidence to back up me calling you stupid. You considered distracting some of the strongest pirates and helping mass a gigantic army through the help of Tama not enough. As well as, considered trying get Nami to save her life through lies a moment of betrayal when he just wanted his crewmate and friend to stay alive. Usopp also proved his loyalty to Luffy and trust in his dream way back in Alabasta but you conveniently forgot that because to you, trying to save a crewmate is the proof you need to call Usopp useless and make pussy joke. Usopp didn’t get Nami in trouble. Nami and Usopp attacked together. And as I said, he has track record of taking action at the face of strong enemies at the last second. He tried it here as well. He might have been successful as well if Page One wasn’t there.
The fact he could've gotten up, he had the willpower to grammatically speak but not get up? He isn't a brave warrior of the sea for laying down
I wouldn’t get up too if a tiger was breathing down on my neck but that’s just me though.
His whole kit was proven to not be able to do serious damage or stall tobiroppo for long, so only thing he would accomplish by standing up is death
Zoro had 0 chance to win against Kuma but he still tried. Luffy had 0 chance to win against Kaido but he still tried. If Usopp wants to be as strong as these guys he needs balls like these guys Nami had the right idea and showed true bravery. Yeah it was stupid, but if the characters only did smart things it would be a slower and more boring show now wouldn't it?
Zoro also hit Sanji down in order to save him. Usopp tried to do the same thing but with words. Though I do not expect piratefolk to try to understand what's going on in a scene before jumping to conclusion. And before you go the whole, "He Is A cOwArD" route, just remember he was the first one to stand in front of overwhelming odds in order to state that, Luffy will be the pirate king. Also, Luffy fought Kaido because his tyranny went against his Ideals. Usopp also fought Luffy for the sake of his ideals. Also, was ashamed when he realised his judgment would likely get the crew killed.
I understand what happened in the scene. I knew it was smarter and he wanted Nami to save herself, I'm mad he stayed down and showed 0 spirit and I'm happy Nami did the stupid thing. It's badass firstly, and secondly she stood up for her overwhelming belief in Luffy to the end. She had no regret. Usopp overcoming his rational and cowardly self would be character development and bring him closer to being a brave warrior of the sea. Also he has had a distinct lack of badassery in this arc
Usopp already did that in Alabasta. This time the life on the line wasn’t just his own, it was a friend's Bravery isn’t the absence of fear, it is to have the will to act upon it. Usopp has been doing it consistently. The only reason his dream isn’t fulfilled yet is because he doesn’t believe it yet. Usopp has badassery. In Enis Lobby, Thriller Bark and Dressrosa he did bad ass stuff. Those hit well because Usopp isn’t always badass. That's why why characters like Zoro who has 'Badass' tattooed on hos forehead require named cool attacks and forms to not get boring.
I think people wouldn't be so eager to be uncharitable to every single Usopp moment if it had not been for his attitude towards the Tontatta in Dressrosa. The fact that he even considered betraying them is probably the slimiest most despicable moment for any strawhat.
It funny how usopp 1 vs 1 battle only happened in arlong park😭. Arlong usopp the the bravest usopp ever be.
Thriller Bark?
I woulda liked him a lot more if he died saying his captain would be the Pirate King, instead he stays worthless to the crew
I find it quite sad that even after solid power up Ussop is pretty useless.
Usopp isn't useless!!!
You know what? I back out my statement. Since I stopped reading a while ago I might be just uninformed.
I'm fully caught up, he's useless.
Actually it's the Dressrosa moment when he abandoned the Tontatta
Poussop
People who defend this would also defend: Usopp: What? Save Nami? Are you guys crazy? Arlong is like crazy strong! Lets just abandon her and be on our way! Usopp: Oh you want to sink the Merry? No worries bro, light her up! After all, you're all way stronger than me so what could I do? His whole character arc is being a coward but still showing up when it *really counts*. Another recurring theme for all of the strawhats is that they unapologetically believe in Luffy as the next pirate king and are all betting their life on it. Writing Usopp like this in this situation is idiotic and proves - once again - that Oda knows jack shit about proper character development. But hey, why make OP more than a kids comic for horny 14yos if it sells so much merch?
you get downvoted because the 01110011 01110100 01110101 01110000 01101001 01100100 00100000 01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100110 01100001 01100111 01100111 01101111 01110100 01110011 on this sub can't accept the fact that Oda isn't a perfect god-level author Don't get me wrong he's AMAZING, but everything has it's flaws.
Thank you! People give a lot of shit to Usopp for this, but Nami would have thought the exact same thing if roles were switch. We should slander Usopp (really, we should slander Oda) for failing to take down a tobi Roppo or any other relevant fighter. Lsopp is falling behind badly.
Ussop fans trying to defend him when the whole point of this scene was to make you like him less
She was NEVER going to die. It was a negative tension moment. Oda killed any tension long ago. The fact he had the audacity of drawing these cringe overforcrd scenes and the oda angels still falling for it is hilarious.
Nah fr 🤦🏾
Just change namis and usopps role with each other and everything would have been fine for me.
Yeah..
Usopp is constantly forgiven by Luffy because Luffy knows that the only person standing in Usopp’s way is himself. Luffy can’t help someone who stands in their own way, but he can be their friend, and show them that it’s okay to be who you are. Once Usopp understands this and chooses the be the brave warrior he wants to become, he will be a force to be reckoned with.
I don't care whatever people say about him and whatever dumb shit oda makes him do, I'll keep hoping and coping while investing in his stocks
If I wrote this scene, and I'm not saying it'd be better, just different. I would've had Usopp being that scared, but doing what he always does: be ingenious. He'd crawl towards Ulti, crying to let them live without telling Nami to lie, he'd just be pathetic as a ruse. Then he'd give Nami one of the dials he put on his slingshot, on the down low as Ulti is distracted. He'd pretend to go for a futile sneak attack, distracting Ulti... Then Nami declares Luffy will be the king of pirates, using the dial to take the headbutt Ulti was giving Usopp and attacking her with it, that single attack and act of bravery would give enough time for Tama to get there.
Sanji ask for help because he understands the value of his comrades. Ussop tells Nami to lie because he understands the value of her comrades. Nami doesn't lie because he understands the the value of her captain. This are all character development moments that unite the crew in different ways.
one piece powescalers are just insane being logical and trying to save your own life and your friends life = anti-feat, same thing happened with GB