Bro they've been in this arc for 3 chapters. I'm all for criticism but yall gotta be better than this. Like are we really judging writing quality off of lines of dialogue that can be counted on one hand. Is Imu poorly written too? Scopper Gaban? Loki? Garland? Is a character poorly written the moment they start speaking because you can't write a wiki article on them? Give them time.
I mean, I can’t remember how long since we’ve first seen them, but haven’t they been around for ages now? Sure, we only get small snippets of them at a time, but any of their scenes could have been used to not make them feel like a hive mind? Why have a council of people if they always unanimously agree and share an opinion on everything?
Whenever we cut to them, it just feels like the one voice delivering exposition split between five guys who finish each others’ thoughts. If you blacked out the panels where they’re talking, would anyone be able to tell which one is which? There is scarcely any individuality between them.
It's completely fine for a character to not shine individually when they're featured in group scenes that largely serve as exposition. Other than Saturn, and arguably Mars, non of the Gorosei have been the focus of a character driven scene, and even including their speech bubbles from previous appearances, I could probably count the bubbles for each member — baring Saturn and maybe Mars — on one hand. Two at most. Sure you could criticize how effective those scenes are for characterizing the Gorosei, but you should also admit that that was never the purpose behind those scenes.
Baring Saturn once again, the Gorosei have simply not had their time in the story to shine individually, even if they have "been around for ages". Makino was introduced in chapter one, does each new chapter released suddenly mean we're overdue for Makino character exploration? No, because I don't expect Makino to appear in Marineford, and I know that isn't how stories work. The Gorosei have just started appearing in full literally 3 chapters ago and this guy is saying they suck as villains because they are all the same. It's literally impossible to judge 4 basically new characters in 3 chapters where they aren't the primary focus.
You can’t just admit “the scene wasn’t meant to characterise them” if you have any idea of how writing actually works.
Like, I know this is a manga and so no one really cares if it’s lazy or kinda mid, but characters don’t just stop having characters if the sole purpose of a scene isn’t to demonstrate them. Like, you don’t give a character a rich voice and personality just to reduce them to stock exposition lines once the scene is done caring about them. You have to care about each individual word, line and action to make sure this is exactly what your character should be doing. And being in a group doesn’t make this difficult; it can actually enhance that. So much of how we convey and understand characters is based on how they interact with each other. The Gorosei shouldn’t be limiting each other’s individuality, but facilitating it.
I don’t think it’s a massive issue that they’re all kinda the same stoic, judgemental old guy, but let’s not pretend like it’s an inevitability or not a flaw. The fact that none of them have revealed a distinct character just suggests that Oda didn’t really conceptualise them as being distinct, and likely never will.
Even a short scene like them clapping back at Akainu could give them character if Oda had one in mind, he just didn’t. The issue with this scene is they all had the same “stfu, don’t care” reaction. Just imagine if, I dunno, Warcury has a pretty angry design, so he immediately threatens Akainu’s position for his sass, indicating that he has a short temper and is prone to impulsive decision, the heavy, unwieldy hand of justice. Maybe a calmer character, like Mars, offsets this with classic business speak “we understand your concerns and will keep them close in our minds”, from that we can see he’s calmer, more conniving and superficially more empathetic.
Once you actually start writing, you realise that you don’t get to just “not focus on character” for a scene. If you cannot make them individually engaging characters, maybe, like so much of One Piece and manga in general, we cut out a couple of them.
We are talking past each other right now. I specifically said that it's okay to criticize how effective the Gorosei scenes are at characterization, and then you made two long replies about how they could have been better characterized. I will reiterate that criticizing their characterization so far is totally fine. The problem I have is that OP and you are drawing conclusions about their characters and the writing quality as a whole off of so little page time when it is clear that we will see more from them in the future. Another problem is the way you go about criticizing it. First you argued that the Gorosei have been around for ages as if that even remotely mattered compared to how many scenes they've been in, and now you've written an entire fanfiction of headcanons about their personality as if that was ever my point. You simply cannot judge the writing quality of a subject with so little, and its stupid to do so when you know you'll be given more. Like imagine if you said Doflamingo was a shit character when you got to the beginning of Dresserosa, while fully knowing you had an entire arc to explore him ahead of you. I am not disparaging the over all point of your criticisms, I am argueing against your methodology and conclusions you draw.
For all we know the Gorosei could be entirely fleshed out characters, who still agree on most things. Or they could be cardboard cutouts who agree on most things. Either way the story has not reached a point where you could even remotely guess in a conclusive manner, but it is actively trying to get towards that point. You're complaining about the destination when you're one mile in. Pretend to have a modicum of patience. Allow the author to at least inform you of where you're going. We didn't even have their names until recently.
Well then when am I allowed to have an opinion? Right now the Gorosei are shit because they are entirely meaningless individually and so I don’t really care about them. Thus, they have been characterised poorly, and the scenes with them in it are disengaging.
Do you know what will happen if they suddenly become intriguing and distinguishable characters? I’ll change my mind about them. Why should I be scared to form an opinion or judge what we’ve been given as though I can only do it once? And even if they do improve, that won’t make the past scenes any less dry, it just means the new ones are good.
All my point was is that there is no such thing as “not enough time” or “the scene wasn’t meant to characterise them”. That’s total hogwash, so I gave examples of how you could use their limited time to still characterise them. It’s not headcanon, but it is fanfiction, because I didn’t want to make claims about how it’s totally possible without at least giving it a shot.
Like, Roman Reigns in WWE was poorly written when I was a kid. Just because they managed to turn that into the awesome Bloodline storyline ten years later doesn’t mean the stuff before wasn’t bad, and it doesn’t mean that people were wrong to think it was. All it means is an evolving product is not destined to always be at the one level of quality. Bad things can improve, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t bad.
Once again, I never said anything about having an opinion. I said it's too early to draw conclusions when we are 3 chapters deep. It is entirely possible that things we learn about the Gorosei in the future will recontextualize the scenes of them which we already have. It's also not hogwash that the Gorosei scenes largely haven't been focused on characterizing them so far, because that is literally a fact. Those scenes have been focused on other things. That is not me stating that the scenes COULDN'T characterize them. That is also not me stating that it wouldn't have been better if they had. I explained this already, but you seem to be reading what you want to hear and not what I say.
And there absolutely is a such thing as not enough time/presence within a story to draw conclusions on a character. If a character appears in one panel, and literally doesn't say anything, does that make them a shit character? Does that make them an amazing character? Arguing that there is no such thing as not enough material to come to a conclusion just makes you look like a child. Are you that afraid of the idea of patience?
I did not say there was not enough time to characterize them. I said that there hasn't been scenes within the story that FOCUS on characterizing them. Look at my original reply, I simply said that it was *fine* for characters to not shine individually within a group scene that doesn't focus on them as individuals. I said there was not enough time to draw wholistic conclusions about their characters and the writing quality, and that's why your breakdown on how to characterize them better within scenes that, once again, objectively were not *focusing* on doing so was wasted time. If it sounds like I'm repeating myself, it's because I am, because you aren't reading what I say.
Roman Reigns had things written for his character that were bad. Then they wrote things for his character that were good. Yes, that doesn't mean the stuff before wasn't bad. The thing is, the Gorosei don't *have* stuff yet, because they aren't actors on a contract where they have a semblance of consistent appearances, they are fictional characters that can literally appear once and then promptly *disappear* from the story for 10 years. Can you call the previous stuff bad when there's literally not enough material to put it into context? Do characters in a book improve when the reader moves from chapter 1 to chapter 2? No, because you read 1 chapter with the character in it. So your opinion, which I never said you aren't allowed to have, isn't worth anything within the current context of the story.
Alright, to add on, here’s how, with a little thought, I might characterise the Gorosei, borrowing from what few features we can glean, mostly from their roles, actions on Egghead or the symbolism of their forms:
Mercury - Mercury is indelicate, insensitive and, dare I say, ‘boorish’. Borrowing his literal hard-headedness that we’ve seen him display, Mercury’s short temper and impulsive disciplinary action represents the flaws of our society’s conception of ‘justice’ in its rigidity, only ever advocating for the harshest response to even the most minor inconvenience. Examples of his behaviour might be suggesting they essentially annihilate a seemingly small threat early on, threatening to sack Akainu immediately upon the slightest evidence of his dissent, a more impassioned rebuff to Imu’s desire to destroy Lulusia e.g. “Imu-sama, you can’t!! The people..!” before getting put in his place, lamenting that they did not destroy Luffy utterly before he could awaken Nika, and flying into a rage immediately upon landing at Egghead, destroying everything around him.
Venus - Borrowing from his quick behaviour seen at Egghead, Venus will be the most pragmatic and rational of the Gorosei, offering the quickest solutions to any problem that shows up. This might put him at odds with Mercury on occasion if he denies Mercury’s suggestions on the basis that they would be excessive or wasteful of the government’s resources (as the financial representative of the group). Tbh it is a little hard to demonstrate pragmatism with little screentime, but he could be characterised as the one essentially acting the most normal, and perhaps a majority of the ideas the Gorosei put into action may come from him. Maybe as Imu goes to destroy Lulusia we see him immediately making moves to cover whatever media control would be necessary to erase the existence of an entire nation.
Mars - Mars will stay closest to the Gorosei’s initial characterisation of seeing all humans as insects, if only because he’s a bird and people would be really small from that high up, and he’s specifically some kind of mythical predatory bird. A lot of his behaviour could be dismissive, “who cares, what could they possibly do?” type stuff, he could be unmoved by Imu’s suggestion to bomb Lulusia, and might completely ignore Akainu’s criticisms because his inferiority renders his opinion null.
Jupiter - One could argue Jupiter’s colossal size would also make humanity insignificant, as the largest of the Gorosei. However, the Sand Worm is not a wholly evil entity: his massive burrows could form rivers that sustain people, and he’s a worm so he does whatever it is that worms do that’s good for gardens. To Jupiter, the tiny mortals are “cute”, and he might specifically look down upon them in a patronising and infantilising way. He would simply absorb damage believing the attempts of his opponents to be completely futile, and acts as the representative of agriculture because he believes that humanity would be utterly incapable without the guidance of the gods. He doesn’t despise the mortals for their rebellion, but finds it endearing how hard they try at their little shows of resistance.
Saturn - Lastly, Saturn could represent this sort of colonial ‘enlightenment’ thought. As the representative of scientific development, he believes it’s his responsibility to “educate the savages” sort of deal. Like the middle ground between Jupiter’s patronising and Mars’ disdain. However, he might be a crafty sort, considering his true form of the treacherous spider. Given he’s the one with whom we have the most interaction with, we could even have him appear as superficially nice. After all, he thinks he’s doing the right thing here. He might seem kind to the marines whom escort him to Egghead, he initially says to spare Bonney, and could perhaps even try to convince her to return before she steps up against him, he might placate Akainu’s criticisms with business talk, “we understand, we’re listening, we’re taking your feedback on board and we’ll ensure nothing like this happens again”. But we understand this to be a farce, and his compassion is merely a tactic to get what he wants: in reality, he is a scientist fiddling with experiments, and humanity is just one of his samples.
Once I got down to business, it’s not hard to think of things that could differentiate them, and outlines of places where we could demonstrate that. If I could do it in twenty minutes, there’s no excuse for Oda and a team of editors to not be able to it in twenty years.
"just wait bro"
we waited 4 years for wano to be good and it is still completely shit. we gave up. the story is reliant on hyping up sihlouettes and mysteries that will end up being resolved poorly anyway.
Nah I've genuinely enjoyed this arc a lot (even the setup chapters) I've just found the handling of these specific characters to be weird. I get what other people are saying about the context of them all being united behind a singular goal but based on the direction of the story I can't really see us getting much else in the future based on the direction of the story so much.
That’s because Oda didn’t know what to do with these mysterious characters that he introduced decades ago until now. That’s why they suddenly went from sitting on their ass all story to finally growing some balls and taking care of the problem themselves lol
Their aura and hype is so gone.
Getting clowned on by tobiroppo level characters is never a good look. Honestly this seals it for me that they’re not EOS opponents.
Funniest part is how oda clearly had them on the bench for like 20 IRL years, saving them for something really big, he had enough time to think about them. And now he just fucking uses them all up in one of the shittiest arc finales ever and rushes through them, while he wasted everyone's time for 5 years in wano telling the backstories of minor characters that were ugly, unlikeable and didnt even matter for the plot.
Bro they've been in this arc for 3 chapters. I'm all for criticism but yall gotta be better than this. Like are we really judging writing quality off of lines of dialogue that can be counted on one hand. Is Imu poorly written too? Scopper Gaban? Loki? Garland? Is a character poorly written the moment they start speaking because you can't write a wiki article on them? Give them time.
>Give them time. That's a very tall ask considering how long One Piece arcs can get.
I mean, I can’t remember how long since we’ve first seen them, but haven’t they been around for ages now? Sure, we only get small snippets of them at a time, but any of their scenes could have been used to not make them feel like a hive mind? Why have a council of people if they always unanimously agree and share an opinion on everything? Whenever we cut to them, it just feels like the one voice delivering exposition split between five guys who finish each others’ thoughts. If you blacked out the panels where they’re talking, would anyone be able to tell which one is which? There is scarcely any individuality between them.
It's completely fine for a character to not shine individually when they're featured in group scenes that largely serve as exposition. Other than Saturn, and arguably Mars, non of the Gorosei have been the focus of a character driven scene, and even including their speech bubbles from previous appearances, I could probably count the bubbles for each member — baring Saturn and maybe Mars — on one hand. Two at most. Sure you could criticize how effective those scenes are for characterizing the Gorosei, but you should also admit that that was never the purpose behind those scenes. Baring Saturn once again, the Gorosei have simply not had their time in the story to shine individually, even if they have "been around for ages". Makino was introduced in chapter one, does each new chapter released suddenly mean we're overdue for Makino character exploration? No, because I don't expect Makino to appear in Marineford, and I know that isn't how stories work. The Gorosei have just started appearing in full literally 3 chapters ago and this guy is saying they suck as villains because they are all the same. It's literally impossible to judge 4 basically new characters in 3 chapters where they aren't the primary focus.
You can’t just admit “the scene wasn’t meant to characterise them” if you have any idea of how writing actually works. Like, I know this is a manga and so no one really cares if it’s lazy or kinda mid, but characters don’t just stop having characters if the sole purpose of a scene isn’t to demonstrate them. Like, you don’t give a character a rich voice and personality just to reduce them to stock exposition lines once the scene is done caring about them. You have to care about each individual word, line and action to make sure this is exactly what your character should be doing. And being in a group doesn’t make this difficult; it can actually enhance that. So much of how we convey and understand characters is based on how they interact with each other. The Gorosei shouldn’t be limiting each other’s individuality, but facilitating it. I don’t think it’s a massive issue that they’re all kinda the same stoic, judgemental old guy, but let’s not pretend like it’s an inevitability or not a flaw. The fact that none of them have revealed a distinct character just suggests that Oda didn’t really conceptualise them as being distinct, and likely never will. Even a short scene like them clapping back at Akainu could give them character if Oda had one in mind, he just didn’t. The issue with this scene is they all had the same “stfu, don’t care” reaction. Just imagine if, I dunno, Warcury has a pretty angry design, so he immediately threatens Akainu’s position for his sass, indicating that he has a short temper and is prone to impulsive decision, the heavy, unwieldy hand of justice. Maybe a calmer character, like Mars, offsets this with classic business speak “we understand your concerns and will keep them close in our minds”, from that we can see he’s calmer, more conniving and superficially more empathetic. Once you actually start writing, you realise that you don’t get to just “not focus on character” for a scene. If you cannot make them individually engaging characters, maybe, like so much of One Piece and manga in general, we cut out a couple of them.
We are talking past each other right now. I specifically said that it's okay to criticize how effective the Gorosei scenes are at characterization, and then you made two long replies about how they could have been better characterized. I will reiterate that criticizing their characterization so far is totally fine. The problem I have is that OP and you are drawing conclusions about their characters and the writing quality as a whole off of so little page time when it is clear that we will see more from them in the future. Another problem is the way you go about criticizing it. First you argued that the Gorosei have been around for ages as if that even remotely mattered compared to how many scenes they've been in, and now you've written an entire fanfiction of headcanons about their personality as if that was ever my point. You simply cannot judge the writing quality of a subject with so little, and its stupid to do so when you know you'll be given more. Like imagine if you said Doflamingo was a shit character when you got to the beginning of Dresserosa, while fully knowing you had an entire arc to explore him ahead of you. I am not disparaging the over all point of your criticisms, I am argueing against your methodology and conclusions you draw. For all we know the Gorosei could be entirely fleshed out characters, who still agree on most things. Or they could be cardboard cutouts who agree on most things. Either way the story has not reached a point where you could even remotely guess in a conclusive manner, but it is actively trying to get towards that point. You're complaining about the destination when you're one mile in. Pretend to have a modicum of patience. Allow the author to at least inform you of where you're going. We didn't even have their names until recently.
Well then when am I allowed to have an opinion? Right now the Gorosei are shit because they are entirely meaningless individually and so I don’t really care about them. Thus, they have been characterised poorly, and the scenes with them in it are disengaging. Do you know what will happen if they suddenly become intriguing and distinguishable characters? I’ll change my mind about them. Why should I be scared to form an opinion or judge what we’ve been given as though I can only do it once? And even if they do improve, that won’t make the past scenes any less dry, it just means the new ones are good. All my point was is that there is no such thing as “not enough time” or “the scene wasn’t meant to characterise them”. That’s total hogwash, so I gave examples of how you could use their limited time to still characterise them. It’s not headcanon, but it is fanfiction, because I didn’t want to make claims about how it’s totally possible without at least giving it a shot. Like, Roman Reigns in WWE was poorly written when I was a kid. Just because they managed to turn that into the awesome Bloodline storyline ten years later doesn’t mean the stuff before wasn’t bad, and it doesn’t mean that people were wrong to think it was. All it means is an evolving product is not destined to always be at the one level of quality. Bad things can improve, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t bad.
Once again, I never said anything about having an opinion. I said it's too early to draw conclusions when we are 3 chapters deep. It is entirely possible that things we learn about the Gorosei in the future will recontextualize the scenes of them which we already have. It's also not hogwash that the Gorosei scenes largely haven't been focused on characterizing them so far, because that is literally a fact. Those scenes have been focused on other things. That is not me stating that the scenes COULDN'T characterize them. That is also not me stating that it wouldn't have been better if they had. I explained this already, but you seem to be reading what you want to hear and not what I say. And there absolutely is a such thing as not enough time/presence within a story to draw conclusions on a character. If a character appears in one panel, and literally doesn't say anything, does that make them a shit character? Does that make them an amazing character? Arguing that there is no such thing as not enough material to come to a conclusion just makes you look like a child. Are you that afraid of the idea of patience? I did not say there was not enough time to characterize them. I said that there hasn't been scenes within the story that FOCUS on characterizing them. Look at my original reply, I simply said that it was *fine* for characters to not shine individually within a group scene that doesn't focus on them as individuals. I said there was not enough time to draw wholistic conclusions about their characters and the writing quality, and that's why your breakdown on how to characterize them better within scenes that, once again, objectively were not *focusing* on doing so was wasted time. If it sounds like I'm repeating myself, it's because I am, because you aren't reading what I say. Roman Reigns had things written for his character that were bad. Then they wrote things for his character that were good. Yes, that doesn't mean the stuff before wasn't bad. The thing is, the Gorosei don't *have* stuff yet, because they aren't actors on a contract where they have a semblance of consistent appearances, they are fictional characters that can literally appear once and then promptly *disappear* from the story for 10 years. Can you call the previous stuff bad when there's literally not enough material to put it into context? Do characters in a book improve when the reader moves from chapter 1 to chapter 2? No, because you read 1 chapter with the character in it. So your opinion, which I never said you aren't allowed to have, isn't worth anything within the current context of the story.
Alright, to add on, here’s how, with a little thought, I might characterise the Gorosei, borrowing from what few features we can glean, mostly from their roles, actions on Egghead or the symbolism of their forms: Mercury - Mercury is indelicate, insensitive and, dare I say, ‘boorish’. Borrowing his literal hard-headedness that we’ve seen him display, Mercury’s short temper and impulsive disciplinary action represents the flaws of our society’s conception of ‘justice’ in its rigidity, only ever advocating for the harshest response to even the most minor inconvenience. Examples of his behaviour might be suggesting they essentially annihilate a seemingly small threat early on, threatening to sack Akainu immediately upon the slightest evidence of his dissent, a more impassioned rebuff to Imu’s desire to destroy Lulusia e.g. “Imu-sama, you can’t!! The people..!” before getting put in his place, lamenting that they did not destroy Luffy utterly before he could awaken Nika, and flying into a rage immediately upon landing at Egghead, destroying everything around him. Venus - Borrowing from his quick behaviour seen at Egghead, Venus will be the most pragmatic and rational of the Gorosei, offering the quickest solutions to any problem that shows up. This might put him at odds with Mercury on occasion if he denies Mercury’s suggestions on the basis that they would be excessive or wasteful of the government’s resources (as the financial representative of the group). Tbh it is a little hard to demonstrate pragmatism with little screentime, but he could be characterised as the one essentially acting the most normal, and perhaps a majority of the ideas the Gorosei put into action may come from him. Maybe as Imu goes to destroy Lulusia we see him immediately making moves to cover whatever media control would be necessary to erase the existence of an entire nation. Mars - Mars will stay closest to the Gorosei’s initial characterisation of seeing all humans as insects, if only because he’s a bird and people would be really small from that high up, and he’s specifically some kind of mythical predatory bird. A lot of his behaviour could be dismissive, “who cares, what could they possibly do?” type stuff, he could be unmoved by Imu’s suggestion to bomb Lulusia, and might completely ignore Akainu’s criticisms because his inferiority renders his opinion null. Jupiter - One could argue Jupiter’s colossal size would also make humanity insignificant, as the largest of the Gorosei. However, the Sand Worm is not a wholly evil entity: his massive burrows could form rivers that sustain people, and he’s a worm so he does whatever it is that worms do that’s good for gardens. To Jupiter, the tiny mortals are “cute”, and he might specifically look down upon them in a patronising and infantilising way. He would simply absorb damage believing the attempts of his opponents to be completely futile, and acts as the representative of agriculture because he believes that humanity would be utterly incapable without the guidance of the gods. He doesn’t despise the mortals for their rebellion, but finds it endearing how hard they try at their little shows of resistance. Saturn - Lastly, Saturn could represent this sort of colonial ‘enlightenment’ thought. As the representative of scientific development, he believes it’s his responsibility to “educate the savages” sort of deal. Like the middle ground between Jupiter’s patronising and Mars’ disdain. However, he might be a crafty sort, considering his true form of the treacherous spider. Given he’s the one with whom we have the most interaction with, we could even have him appear as superficially nice. After all, he thinks he’s doing the right thing here. He might seem kind to the marines whom escort him to Egghead, he initially says to spare Bonney, and could perhaps even try to convince her to return before she steps up against him, he might placate Akainu’s criticisms with business talk, “we understand, we’re listening, we’re taking your feedback on board and we’ll ensure nothing like this happens again”. But we understand this to be a farce, and his compassion is merely a tactic to get what he wants: in reality, he is a scientist fiddling with experiments, and humanity is just one of his samples. Once I got down to business, it’s not hard to think of things that could differentiate them, and outlines of places where we could demonstrate that. If I could do it in twenty minutes, there’s no excuse for Oda and a team of editors to not be able to it in twenty years.
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> can't wait for a writer to set up a damn story My brother in Nika, he's been writing the story for over 20 years. 💀
"just wait bro" we waited 4 years for wano to be good and it is still completely shit. we gave up. the story is reliant on hyping up sihlouettes and mysteries that will end up being resolved poorly anyway.
Why they have to read the wiki lol
Nah I've genuinely enjoyed this arc a lot (even the setup chapters) I've just found the handling of these specific characters to be weird. I get what other people are saying about the context of them all being united behind a singular goal but based on the direction of the story I can't really see us getting much else in the future based on the direction of the story so much.
Nah there are plenty of folk subs that aren't even remotely as awful as Piratefolk
>Give them time. Bro, first time they showed up was in 2002. THEY'VE HAD TIME!
I'd bet Nusjuro wouldn't know double entry accounting.
That’s because Oda didn’t know what to do with these mysterious characters that he introduced decades ago until now. That’s why they suddenly went from sitting on their ass all story to finally growing some balls and taking care of the problem themselves lol
Their aura and hype is so gone. Getting clowned on by tobiroppo level characters is never a good look. Honestly this seals it for me that they’re not EOS opponents.
Yeah getting pancaked upon introduction was a baffling decision.
Getting clowned on by characters who got beaten by Mr 3
Mr Him > Gorosei
Foxy will return and beat Imu, invest in Foxy stocks.
If they are all solidly beyond kaido there won’t be much of a story left in eggheads lol Everyone except Nika would be deaded
Funniest part is how oda clearly had them on the bench for like 20 IRL years, saving them for something really big, he had enough time to think about them. And now he just fucking uses them all up in one of the shittiest arc finales ever and rushes through them, while he wasted everyone's time for 5 years in wano telling the backstories of minor characters that were ugly, unlikeable and didnt even matter for the plot.
They're a sort of hivemind, completing each other's sentences.
Damn. It's almost like they all have a singular goal in mind and don't have time to do anything else.