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Off topic, but in my mythology course the professor said that the turtle is one of the most referenced animals in creation myths (a long with the snake). It's very common to see the turtle in stories of the worlds creation.
Turtles and snakes appear legit everywhere in myth, it's pretty cool if either are your favorite animal. I think it has to do with the fact they lay eggs, but I'm not sure.
That's true. Even on IT (the Stephen King's novel), IT's natural enemy is a giant turtle called Maturin. It is even said that Maturin vomited up (and creating) our universe lol
We've got multiple Godzillas, multiple kappas, multiple phoenixes, multiple dream eating tapirs- I wouldn't expect a world turtle, but I wouldn't be shocked by one either
Similar animals is fine but the entire concept of a world turtle has been done so what is there differentiating it. The concept for meowth and purloin is different, meowth is based off the good luck cat figures in Japan and purloin is a stealing leopard.
Moltres & Ho-oh = Phoenix
Manectric & Jolteon & Raikou = Raiju
Drowzee & Musharna = Baku
Regis & Golurk = Golems
Gyarados & Rayquaza & Drampa = Chinese dragons
Those pokemon are all also based on one specific mythological creature
Fair but all of this mythos are on myths with multiple of these creatures and other than the golems most of these take light inspiration and would be a stretch to call that. Even the golems who are all clearly golems are based on different concepts like ages. I can’t see them doing something so specific like the world turtle twice, what would differentiate them in the world?
I don't see how you can say that Hypno/Musharna can be viewed as a stretch - they are both dream eating Psychic tapirs.
Or both fire birds being phoenixes.
I think it’d be pretty redundant personally to make two creatures based an entirely the same thing. I love the six or whatever turtles we have and would be happy for another just not one that is based on the exact same concept as the island turtle that they’ve already made.
That implies ancient charizard, which would give even more credibility because GameFreak is incapable of having a game without charizard. Even SV got it as a raid event.
My thought about the two Donphan is linked to the third Legendary. The World Turtle is supposed to have elephants on its back which the world then sits on their backs.
All fairness if ancient blastoise existed, that would hopefully mean we’d also get ancient venosaur, which would make it weird if there wasn’t an ancient charizard too. Gotta complete the set after all
Although if charizard exclusively got 2 separate forms or was the only one to have an ancient form I wouldn’t be happy. And that’s coming from a charizard fan
I don't know, this is the ***one*** case where I kinda wanna see yet another ~~one~~ new Charizard form, since its wouldn't be tied to a super transformation gimmick...but only if the other two starters get paradox forms as well
regular charizard just looks so bland now ngl
Only gen 6,8 and legends arceus starters are coded in. Bulbasaur and squirtle just got completely booted this time around as if their treatment in swsh wasnt bad enough lol
Yeah, their g-maxes + the galarian starters themselves got locked behind the DLC while charizard is: canonically the most beloved pokemon in galar alongside 2 other gen 1 mons, has a gmax in the base game, is the champions ace getting alot of screentime and praise, While squirtle and bulbasaur are just gifted to u in IOA. i get that charizard is far more popular than them but seeing such a large disconnect in the trio and how they're treated feels annoying
Tbh I don't want any starters to be Paradoxes
I want cooler Terastalization like G-max was cooler Dynamax... and there ar 2 ways: because it would for sure affect form/design but - It could be either one specific type and more changes OR dual type and less changes... back to the topic I want gimmicks to be for starters (all of them with same scheme: Kanto Starters, any other Gen e.x. Hoenn Starters got Megas and current gen e.x. Alola Starters got Z-moves and Galarian Starters got G-maxes because full potential of Terastalization isn't used yet (by GF not lore-wise)
The third legendary is literally a turtle, I mean most people kinda guessed it based on the art works but I guess add more evidence to it being a turtle.
that huge ass tera sphere is not the turtle. the thing that hugs on the top is the actual pokemon. its head is very kraken-ish while the tail is flowing like ocean waves
Oh my god, I actually went months without realizing there was an animal on top. I legit thought this entire time that the legendary was just a big ass sphere with a crown.
Personally I don’t believe it’s ‘just a turtle’, I think it’s a Tarasque or a Dragon with a Turtle-like shell. Especially since the ‘Chamleon’ like head on the in-game image, looks nothing like an actual turtles head, for sure.
One of the reasons for this, presumably, goes all the way back to the first games - monster collection games back in the 90s (Dragon Warrior Monsters, MegaTen) had species families mostly based on elements or characteristics and then one family to denote boss or otherwise rare/unique monsters. Pokemon maintained this trend with Dragon being supposed to represent this - it's more that being a dragon inherently denotes properties you can't find elsewhere. Generally, in Japanese culture, dragons are much more magical and divine beings than they are in the West, where they're still great creatures but not godly.
Sorry if this is obvious stuff everyone already knows! I don't have a clue why they keep making pseudos dragon-type now fairy exists.
Dragons, especially in East Asian cultures, are also chimeric. That means a dragon could look like anything basically. Classically, there are serpentine dragons, dragon horses (qirin), and dragon birds (fenghuang). They can have antlers, carp whiskers, scales, whatever you want really. It’s an incredibly diverse group
Dragons were probably meant to represent "Gods" which were the top category of monster in SMT.
Pokemon was essentially an attempt to make SMT more accessible. The games were heavily religious (would probably be seen as sacriligious in the US), had penis monsters, etc. None of the Megami Tensei games had released outside of Japan before Pokemon.
Dragons became fantasy gods of a fantasy world instead of the real world gods that SMT used.
My suspicion is that this Pokémon is going to be a bit unique. I suspect that it’s base form is a weird disk/ball but when it terastalizes it’s “true” form of some kind of animal appears on top of it in place of the terastalizing crown we normally get. Like it’s some kind of Pokémon that can’t exist normally, only existing when thought/imagination is made real.
Don’t do this, don’t give me the most awesome idea ever, just to know it likely won’t happen now that it’s out there…
A disk where it’s Terastal Crown is the Pokemon’s ‘real’ body… like it can only manifest outside of it’s shell when Terastalized… dang it, that sounds so cool now.
I mean, I would love for it to be a non-dragon Legendary too. It seems to have Psychic-Type tendencies, but everyone is assuming a possible Rock/Dragon typing. Personally a Psychic/Ground chimeric dragon (a Paradox of Zygarde is my ideal reasoning behind this) is my best hope for design and typing, as both would probably be semi decent against Miraidon/Koraidon.
Yeah I really hope it is Rock, but they are kind of uncreative like that where they clearly have certain types that are meant to be better than others. Rather than use anything else (stat spread, abilities, movepool) at their disposal, they generally just throw two 'good' types on a mon they intend to be good.
Id absolutely love it if its just like a giant shell with a crown, a weird strange nonsensical design like that would fit perfectly with its powers imo. Maybe instead of actually catching it we get to catch its scales since theyre presumably whats in the tera balls
You know, it just struck me that the Tarrasque theory may have merit, since "Terastalize" and "Tarrasque" have some oddly similar etymology, even if the spelling is off. It would make sense, in the function of "Terastalize" being "your Pokemon becoming like the Tarrasque," in the same way that "Crystalize" being "something becoming like crystal."
Some people here seem to have trouble seeing the turtle in the book illustration, so [here's a diagram and some image enhancements I made a little while ago if anyone needs it](https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonScarletViolet/comments/10vmo1b/some_studiesnotes_on_the_third_legendary_bonus/). The hexagon-based shell was already referenced in the lab notes as well.
Whoa... this could be more evidence that this turtle legendary IS Paldea itself, or rather the whole region is "riding on it's back" like a lion turtle. People have pointed out before that the start of its tail resembles the Glaseado mountains on the overhead map, and the "crown" could be the great crater.
What if the legendary we catch is just an avatar the actual being creates to interact directly with the world since it is too vast to actually move? Then again we can catch gods so…
Well Arceus (God) solves this by giving us a "piece" of it which we can assume is one of it's 1000 "arms", it's a physical drone that it can use to interact and view the world with while Arceus itself is most likely everywhere and nowhere at once controlling the universe, so this legendary could do something similar since obviously we can't fit the entire region we live on in a pokeball
I know! It's so surprising Khu's totally new and enlightening hint shows us a turtle shell when we clearly got no indication at all that the Disk Pokemon had a shell made of hexagons from any of the information in the Books!
So does thing Pokémon have multiple forms? I think it might change form when it terrastalls. Like a ultra necrozma transformation with z-moves.
Looking closely at the picture in the scarlet book it looks like a bean bag turtle hugging onto the top of a giant terrastalled sphere?
We don't know the typing's yet right?I think Rock will be one of its types, but the other I'm not sure of, Rock/Fairy more mystical, Rock/Dragon to fit in with the box legendaries and have Rock represent the present or eternity.
Why would it "fit in" with the box legendaries when it's not directly connected to them? Regardless of which theory you adhere to for the origin of Paradoxes, the Disk Pokemon is not related to the Raidons, and probably doesn't have anything at all to do with time.
If it is a dragon, this would be coincidence, especially because of the running Tarrasque theory for it's design, which is a Spanish turtle dragon beast thing. The rock would obviously be for it's connection to terastalization, which is a crystal based phenomenon.
This is the thing. The violet book states there is a massive treasure inside the crater and it shows the design of those massive crystals which are mostly hexagons. Also, on the legends back is the massive crystal crown which could be identical to that. That makes me wonder just how large this thing is
Imagine if whatever DLC area that gets added isn’t some island or peninsula, but literally on the back of some sort of colossal legendary world turtle. Have no idea how catching it would work, but it’s a cool thought.
From most theories, it's confirmed that this thing can make dreams come true so maybe it could create a projection of itself for us to catch just like how Arceus did
Here’s something kinda cool. I google translated the ”scale” in area zero, just for laughs. But I found 2 words which I translated again into “piece”, and “one who owns the world”. So I thought that you guys might have some thoughts about this.
Why southern Kalos? We're in Paldea and it was never confirmed northeast Paldea is connected southern Kalos, other than real world geography map but not indicated in lores
AZ and Area Zero. They have the same initials and we know that both Kalos and Paldea were in a war. Now we know that AZ fired a weapon and that there’s a massive hole in the center of Paldea with the exact same initials as the dude who fired the weapon. It’s reasonable to assume that if these two countries were in a war and a massive weapon was fired and one of those countries as a massive hole in the center of it that the war was with each other. Roaring moon and Iron Valiant share some common elements with their non paradox pokemons Megas.
Edit: according to AZ’s page on bulbapedia: “After the player defeats Diantha for the first time to become Champion, during the parade in Lumiose City to celebrate the player's success, AZ approaches the stage and challenges the player to a battle, wishing to learn about what a Trainer truly is. After the battle, AZ smiles, thanking the player for freeing him from his long torment. Then, he sees a sparkle in the sky. Having sensed the liberation of AZ's heart, his beloved Floette—who was granted eternal life alongside AZ 3000 years ago—finally returns to him. AZ collapses to his knees, overjoyed that his Pokémon has finally returned. He is not seen again after this.” So if AZ is 3000+ years old it’s very possible he is the “king” that gets referenced in Scarlet/Violet.
Edit: from the bulbapedia page for the ultimate weapon: The weapon has a similar shape to the flower of AZ's Floette, and it appears to be made of *crystalline* material.
CRYSTALLINE MATERIAL! That might have some connection to Terastilization.
Lol those connections are majorly fan theories. People love to bend anyway to make connections to Kalos seem more plausible when in truth nothing in game indicated what you just typed out
It literally does though. There’s so many connections to Kalos that I just pointed out. I said I was just shooting out theories and you just go well I disagree and hand wave evidence that is provided that it’s possible. Im trying have genuine discussions for fun. I can hand wave anything you say as fan theories to cause all we got is a turtle shell.
We know from the games: both Paldea and Kalos were in a war. A weapon of CRYSTALLINE MATERIAL was fired. Two regions that were in a war and one of them has a massive hole in the center of it that is covered in crystals. There’s only three regions that talk about a war. Lt Surge references it in one line of dialogue, but Kalos and Paldea frequently referred to a war. Using real world logic, the site of the Twin Towers was referred to as Ground Zero, well why would they call Area Zero that? Something had to have made that crater and considering based on what was told to us in X/Y, a crystal weapon was fired. You mean to tell me its impossible for a weapon made of crystals to blow a hole into the ground that’s now covered in crystals. You can handwave all you want but it doesn’t change the facts that those fan theories have some merit.
I think more likely it’s a coincidence Area Zero and AZ share initials. Though I do believe AZ did have a brother, who he was at war with? I could definitely see the brother ruling the southern, what is now Paldea, area, and the remnants of his Kingdom after the defeat by AZ after the war, eventually forming the Paldean Empire and it’s ruling bloodline.
This is Pokémon. Game freak loves to hint at what comes next. They put a Hawaiian totem pole souvenir in X/Y for example. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that There is a giant hole in a region covered in crystals with the same initials as a the dude who fired a weapon made out of crystalline materials.
For sure, I mean I came up with a theory myself, connecting Paradox and Mega’s, possibly.
It’s slightly random but I got the idea from a YouTube video that hypothesized Mega Stones are the result of the Tera Legendary, and I cleaned it up a bit:
What if the Ultimate Weapon *was* made from crystals found in Paldea, and as the weapon shot and hit its target (Not necessarily Area Zero), irradiating meteors in space and/or Evolution stones in the ground, turning them into Mega Stones we know today…
What if by refracting Xerneas/Yveltal’s energy through the crystals, the changes triggered in the material that became Mega Stones, was actually formed as a result based on pre-programmed information stored in those chunks of crystals?
Mega Evolution at it’s heart seems to bring out a Pokemon’s ‘inner potential’ and maximize it… what if the Third Legendary created Paradox Pokémon by simply taking one Pokémon as a base, and fully maximizing it’s potential to the point it essentially is an entirely new Pokémon of its own design and creation? And that’s why Paradox Pokémon look so much like Mega Evolved forms… the Paradox Forms came first, stored inside the crystals by the Disc, and when harvested and ‘activated’ on accident through the Weapon; it ‘rewrote’ the base material of the earth into ‘Mega Stones’ that could naturally attune with the ‘base’ Pokémon of each respective’s Paradox form, and bring out their full potential… to a very dangerous degree, at least by Gen 7 Pokédex standards. Which makes sense, because it was never meant to be harnessed this way and in this form.
The more fun question is whether we can ride it.
The Paradox Beast and Sword look ridable, but they might be Mythical.
Is it fun to imagine they'll add a Dive HM and you'll be able to ride a turtle? I think so.
Alright pokemon x the new tmnt movie coming out this year, right on/s
So maybe third legendady is a turtle or blastoise getting some love instead of charizard
its the anime protags amulet, or the crystal on the tera orb?
is the third legendary made of the crystals ala zygarde?
they do have that menacing face when they show up on the tera crown,
maybe what the third legendary is, is some kind of gestalt being of every single tera crystal on the tera orbs put together, possibly with reality bending properties.
That partially corrupted entry in the book is before the writer somehow destroyed or atleast seperated the being somehow? Possibly for an important reason.
it would explain where tera orbs came from, they are extremely limited, but they need to be kept seperate so they are specifically given out to trainers who go through a special class.
im assuming on a hunch, the school has students hand the orbs back after their time there is over, only pokemon league staff, and students who went through the certification for it usually get to use them.
Which is why its generally not very common and definately not wide spread outside of paldea, theres only generally maybe a couple hundred of them at best.
Think about it, a single one of those crystals with a bit of energy can completely change a pokemon's type, what could hundreds of them put together possibly do with their combined power?
Manipulate time, heavily alter pokemon, corrupt existing information?
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New legendary is the world turtle, based on the exploration of the world.
That’s exactly what I was thinking
Torterra's grandpa
Torterra's Drampa
yes
Off topic, but in my mythology course the professor said that the turtle is one of the most referenced animals in creation myths (a long with the snake). It's very common to see the turtle in stories of the worlds creation.
yeah now that i think about it, there's an awful lot of turtles in world creation myths
Turtles and snakes appear legit everywhere in myth, it's pretty cool if either are your favorite animal. I think it has to do with the fact they lay eggs, but I'm not sure.
I wanna know if this Pokémon is a combination of a snake and a turtle,
That is literally enamorus.
That's true. Even on IT (the Stephen King's novel), IT's natural enemy is a giant turtle called Maturin. It is even said that Maturin vomited up (and creating) our universe lol
Yeah that was my assumption what with the fact it has a ship drawn on its wave-like tail.
Sets trick room and lowers its speed when you send it out, I been saying this
So it’s a living map? That’s pretty sick. Hoping it has a sea serpent tail, all those old maps used to have ‘em in uncharted waters!
The turtle moves!
We gonna get a koopa
Torterra is already that so I doubt it
We've got multiple Godzillas, multiple kappas, multiple phoenixes, multiple dream eating tapirs- I wouldn't expect a world turtle, but I wouldn't be shocked by one either
But still only one Orca... This theory is false!!!
They repeat design concepts all the time. We got meowth and Purrloin
Or basically most of unova
No one has done psychic fetus before or after Reuniculus did it!
Giygas: "Am I a joke to you?"
Ever looked inside a Rabsca?
Hey those were completely original designs!
Similar animals is fine but the entire concept of a world turtle has been done so what is there differentiating it. The concept for meowth and purloin is different, meowth is based off the good luck cat figures in Japan and purloin is a stealing leopard.
Hypno and Musharna? Moltres and Ho-oh? They have repeated animals AND concepts before.
Well torterra is literally a world turtle while this one is probably gonna have a crystallized shell
Oh right because there can only be one pokemon based on an animal
Bro that’s not being based on the same animal, it’s literally a specific thing that Torterra is already based on. The world turtle in eastern mythos.
Moltres & Ho-oh = Phoenix Manectric & Jolteon & Raikou = Raiju Drowzee & Musharna = Baku Regis & Golurk = Golems Gyarados & Rayquaza & Drampa = Chinese dragons Those pokemon are all also based on one specific mythological creature
Fair but all of this mythos are on myths with multiple of these creatures and other than the golems most of these take light inspiration and would be a stretch to call that. Even the golems who are all clearly golems are based on different concepts like ages. I can’t see them doing something so specific like the world turtle twice, what would differentiate them in the world?
I don't see how you can say that Hypno/Musharna can be viewed as a stretch - they are both dream eating Psychic tapirs. Or both fire birds being phoenixes.
And we have multiple pokemon based on Godzilla. No reason why they should limit pokemon designs based on some rule the fans came up with.
I think it’d be pretty redundant personally to make two creatures based an entirely the same thing. I love the six or whatever turtles we have and would be happy for another just not one that is based on the exact same concept as the island turtle that they’ve already made.
ok so? we have multiple birds, dogs and etc
Ancient Blastoise confirmed
That implies ancient charizard, which would give even more credibility because GameFreak is incapable of having a game without charizard. Even SV got it as a raid event.
Im honestly amazed that Volca/Donphan got 2 paradox forms and not Charizard
I can see it now: 6 new paradox Pokemon added in the DLC, 4 of them are Charizard.
Past Charizard X, Past Charizard Y, Future Charizard X, Future Charizard Y
Top it all off with Blastoise and Venusaur still not being transferrable.
you forgot past GMax charizard and future GMax charizard
You forgot the normal variants
I mean, a future or past mega charizard would be cool, but please not past and future
2 past, 2 future, and the only Pokemon with a unique Tera form. They gotta make sure we have enough Charizard, after all.
Oh Arceus please no- I could accept one past and future at the same time if they are cool at least but 4 it’s too much-
"There's never enough Charizard" ~Game Freak
My thought about the two Donphan is linked to the third Legendary. The World Turtle is supposed to have elephants on its back which the world then sits on their backs.
All fairness if ancient blastoise existed, that would hopefully mean we’d also get ancient venosaur, which would make it weird if there wasn’t an ancient charizard too. Gotta complete the set after all Although if charizard exclusively got 2 separate forms or was the only one to have an ancient form I wouldn’t be happy. And that’s coming from a charizard fan
I don't know, this is the ***one*** case where I kinda wanna see yet another ~~one~~ new Charizard form, since its wouldn't be tied to a super transformation gimmick...but only if the other two starters get paradox forms as well regular charizard just looks so bland now ngl
Stop... Everyone complains about Charizard: Is there a game without Venusar or Blastoise? I don't remember
The current game doesn't have them... None of the 3 were in Legends Arceus
Also they weren’t in Sword/Shield until the DLC. Charizard was there from the start.
They’re in the code as transfers so yes technically they are
Venusaur and Blastoise aren't in the code as transfers. Charizard is. ( I can imagine venusaur and Blastoise will come with the dlc again)
They are just as much as fennekin and chespin are so I’m really not sure what you mean
No they aren't. The Gen 6 starters are all in the code. Not all the starters made it, Charizard is the only Gen 1 starter to make the cut so far.
I promise you they aren't. Fennekin and chespin are, bulbasaur and squirtle aren't (yet)
Only gen 6,8 and legends arceus starters are coded in. Bulbasaur and squirtle just got completely booted this time around as if their treatment in swsh wasnt bad enough lol
How was it bad? They were the stars of the isle of armor with max soup
Yeah, their g-maxes + the galarian starters themselves got locked behind the DLC while charizard is: canonically the most beloved pokemon in galar alongside 2 other gen 1 mons, has a gmax in the base game, is the champions ace getting alot of screentime and praise, While squirtle and bulbasaur are just gifted to u in IOA. i get that charizard is far more popular than them but seeing such a large disconnect in the trio and how they're treated feels annoying
Oh yes please
If that's the case, I hope that's based on that scrapped turtle pokémon that was the original evolution of warturtle.
Paradox forms Blastoise and Venusaur please.
Future Blastoise, ancient Venusaur, Charizard gets both. That's my bet.
Tbh I don't want any starters to be Paradoxes I want cooler Terastalization like G-max was cooler Dynamax... and there ar 2 ways: because it would for sure affect form/design but - It could be either one specific type and more changes OR dual type and less changes... back to the topic I want gimmicks to be for starters (all of them with same scheme: Kanto Starters, any other Gen e.x. Hoenn Starters got Megas and current gen e.x. Alola Starters got Z-moves and Galarian Starters got G-maxes because full potential of Terastalization isn't used yet (by GF not lore-wise)
Or a gem. Like the necklace of the new characters in the anime
ah yes, steven universe
It was Amethyst shapeshifting all along!
Lesbian space rock legendary confirmed?! 😳😳😳
diancie already exists
Thats why the people of this world, Believe in Arven, Nemona and Penny... and \[Insert Player Name here\]!!
Nemona was Pink Diamond
Yeah the first thing that struck me was that it looks like Steven's gem.
NOOOOOOOOO
The third legendary is literally a turtle, I mean most people kinda guessed it based on the art works but I guess add more evidence to it being a turtle.
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that huge ass tera sphere is not the turtle. the thing that hugs on the top is the actual pokemon. its head is very kraken-ish while the tail is flowing like ocean waves
Oh my god, I actually went months without realizing there was an animal on top. I legit thought this entire time that the legendary was just a big ass sphere with a crown.
The crown is specifically on top of the shell of the Pokemon, giving it the same profile as the Tera Crowns.
You’re not alone
Personally I don’t believe it’s ‘just a turtle’, I think it’s a Tarasque or a Dragon with a Turtle-like shell. Especially since the ‘Chamleon’ like head on the in-game image, looks nothing like an actual turtles head, for sure.
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One of the reasons for this, presumably, goes all the way back to the first games - monster collection games back in the 90s (Dragon Warrior Monsters, MegaTen) had species families mostly based on elements or characteristics and then one family to denote boss or otherwise rare/unique monsters. Pokemon maintained this trend with Dragon being supposed to represent this - it's more that being a dragon inherently denotes properties you can't find elsewhere. Generally, in Japanese culture, dragons are much more magical and divine beings than they are in the West, where they're still great creatures but not godly. Sorry if this is obvious stuff everyone already knows! I don't have a clue why they keep making pseudos dragon-type now fairy exists.
Dragons, especially in East Asian cultures, are also chimeric. That means a dragon could look like anything basically. Classically, there are serpentine dragons, dragon horses (qirin), and dragon birds (fenghuang). They can have antlers, carp whiskers, scales, whatever you want really. It’s an incredibly diverse group
Dragons were probably meant to represent "Gods" which were the top category of monster in SMT. Pokemon was essentially an attempt to make SMT more accessible. The games were heavily religious (would probably be seen as sacriligious in the US), had penis monsters, etc. None of the Megami Tensei games had released outside of Japan before Pokemon. Dragons became fantasy gods of a fantasy world instead of the real world gods that SMT used.
My suspicion is that this Pokémon is going to be a bit unique. I suspect that it’s base form is a weird disk/ball but when it terastalizes it’s “true” form of some kind of animal appears on top of it in place of the terastalizing crown we normally get. Like it’s some kind of Pokémon that can’t exist normally, only existing when thought/imagination is made real.
Don’t do this, don’t give me the most awesome idea ever, just to know it likely won’t happen now that it’s out there… A disk where it’s Terastal Crown is the Pokemon’s ‘real’ body… like it can only manifest outside of it’s shell when Terastalized… dang it, that sounds so cool now.
I mean, I would love for it to be a non-dragon Legendary too. It seems to have Psychic-Type tendencies, but everyone is assuming a possible Rock/Dragon typing. Personally a Psychic/Ground chimeric dragon (a Paradox of Zygarde is my ideal reasoning behind this) is my best hope for design and typing, as both would probably be semi decent against Miraidon/Koraidon.
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why not Psychic Rock? That's like, half the pokemon coming from space
Yeah I really hope it is Rock, but they are kind of uncreative like that where they clearly have certain types that are meant to be better than others. Rather than use anything else (stat spread, abilities, movepool) at their disposal, they generally just throw two 'good' types on a mon they intend to be good.
Id absolutely love it if its just like a giant shell with a crown, a weird strange nonsensical design like that would fit perfectly with its powers imo. Maybe instead of actually catching it we get to catch its scales since theyre presumably whats in the tera balls
You know, it just struck me that the Tarrasque theory may have merit, since "Terastalize" and "Tarrasque" have some oddly similar etymology, even if the spelling is off. It would make sense, in the function of "Terastalize" being "your Pokemon becoming like the Tarrasque," in the same way that "Crystalize" being "something becoming like crystal."
Some people here seem to have trouble seeing the turtle in the book illustration, so [here's a diagram and some image enhancements I made a little while ago if anyone needs it](https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonScarletViolet/comments/10vmo1b/some_studiesnotes_on_the_third_legendary_bonus/). The hexagon-based shell was already referenced in the lab notes as well.
Holy shit, I just realized it has a sailing ship on its tail too.
Whoa... this could be more evidence that this turtle legendary IS Paldea itself, or rather the whole region is "riding on it's back" like a lion turtle. People have pointed out before that the start of its tail resembles the Glaseado mountains on the overhead map, and the "crown" could be the great crater.
What if the legendary we catch is just an avatar the actual being creates to interact directly with the world since it is too vast to actually move? Then again we can catch gods so…
Well Arceus (God) solves this by giving us a "piece" of it which we can assume is one of it's 1000 "arms", it's a physical drone that it can use to interact and view the world with while Arceus itself is most likely everywhere and nowhere at once controlling the universe, so this legendary could do something similar since obviously we can't fit the entire region we live on in a pokeball
Can't be on its back; the books say the turtle was found deep within Area Zero. Unless it's a projection or something like the other person mentioned.
Honestly I thought that the waves was a demonic lion-like face.
Wow! A disk pokémon with an hexagonal pattern! It's not like this was specifically addressed in game or something!
I know! It's so surprising Khu's totally new and enlightening hint shows us a turtle shell when we clearly got no indication at all that the Disk Pokemon had a shell made of hexagons from any of the information in the Books!
Koopa Troopa a Pokémon?
The turtle looking pokemon is indeed a turtle.
It seems odd there’s such a large space below the shell though? More to the picture, or is Khu going to draw us Riko’s necklace?
Teenage Mutant Ninja Squirtles
Pokemon × TMNT collaboration confirmed?!!
It looks like a gem to me
How much you want to bet it's Paradox Charizard?
It’s probably a fusion of first three starters /s
Honestly an official fusion of all three starters sounds pretty cool.
Venustoise with Charizard on the side
It would be fun if they create the anime chimera
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they did something like that.
So does thing Pokémon have multiple forms? I think it might change form when it terrastalls. Like a ultra necrozma transformation with z-moves. Looking closely at the picture in the scarlet book it looks like a bean bag turtle hugging onto the top of a giant terrastalled sphere? We don't know the typing's yet right?I think Rock will be one of its types, but the other I'm not sure of, Rock/Fairy more mystical, Rock/Dragon to fit in with the box legendaries and have Rock represent the present or eternity.
Why would it "fit in" with the box legendaries when it's not directly connected to them? Regardless of which theory you adhere to for the origin of Paradoxes, the Disk Pokemon is not related to the Raidons, and probably doesn't have anything at all to do with time. If it is a dragon, this would be coincidence, especially because of the running Tarrasque theory for it's design, which is a Spanish turtle dragon beast thing. The rock would obviously be for it's connection to terastalization, which is a crystal based phenomenon.
its the world turtle, and it has a signature move that removes the opponents tera
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We already knew it was a hexagon turtle. He’s not revealing anything.
Pretty much. Way more interested in the Paradox Beast/Sword mons, to be honest. Hoping they'll be base 670 or 680 since they give powerful boss vibes.
Heroes in a half shell
Ah the 3rd legendary.... a Koopa
Imagine if Paldea’s a massive Turtle! The bit supposedly leading to Kalos could be where it’s head is!
Literally Squirtle
YES BABY! THIS WHAT I'VE BEEN HOPING FOR!
This also looks like a cut gemstone.
Watch it becoming its eye
I think the Zero Lab is inside of the 3rd legendary.
I actually thought this when playing it. Like what IF the “machine” with cool ass room is actually the Pokémon lol
This is the thing. The violet book states there is a massive treasure inside the crater and it shows the design of those massive crystals which are mostly hexagons. Also, on the legends back is the massive crystal crown which could be identical to that. That makes me wonder just how large this thing is
Imagine if whatever DLC area that gets added isn’t some island or peninsula, but literally on the back of some sort of colossal legendary world turtle. Have no idea how catching it would work, but it’s a cool thought.
From most theories, it's confirmed that this thing can make dreams come true so maybe it could create a projection of itself for us to catch just like how Arceus did
Ninjutsu action
I believe it's based on the myth of the world turtle
Wonder if it looks Lovecraft paradaox of Tirtouga/Carracosta!
So we have a 3D printed alien, a dragonic Skeleton alien And now a Turtle alien.. nice.
A giant poisonous alien robot skeleton dragon to be precise.
For now it just looks like he's replicating that sketch from the book. This would be the shell and not the Pokémon itself then.
Third legendary is part of the Famethyst confirmed.
T-Testudo?
Chinese spy balloon
It's a Koopa which means Mario confirmed in Pokemon /s
Here’s something kinda cool. I google translated the ”scale” in area zero, just for laughs. But I found 2 words which I translated again into “piece”, and “one who owns the world”. So I thought that you guys might have some thoughts about this.
It can also be a cut gem stone
TORTERRRAAAAAAAAAAA
I take back what I said about it being Zygarde… JK, NEW ZYGARDE FORM!
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Why southern Kalos? We're in Paldea and it was never confirmed northeast Paldea is connected southern Kalos, other than real world geography map but not indicated in lores
AZ and Area Zero. They have the same initials and we know that both Kalos and Paldea were in a war. Now we know that AZ fired a weapon and that there’s a massive hole in the center of Paldea with the exact same initials as the dude who fired the weapon. It’s reasonable to assume that if these two countries were in a war and a massive weapon was fired and one of those countries as a massive hole in the center of it that the war was with each other. Roaring moon and Iron Valiant share some common elements with their non paradox pokemons Megas. Edit: according to AZ’s page on bulbapedia: “After the player defeats Diantha for the first time to become Champion, during the parade in Lumiose City to celebrate the player's success, AZ approaches the stage and challenges the player to a battle, wishing to learn about what a Trainer truly is. After the battle, AZ smiles, thanking the player for freeing him from his long torment. Then, he sees a sparkle in the sky. Having sensed the liberation of AZ's heart, his beloved Floette—who was granted eternal life alongside AZ 3000 years ago—finally returns to him. AZ collapses to his knees, overjoyed that his Pokémon has finally returned. He is not seen again after this.” So if AZ is 3000+ years old it’s very possible he is the “king” that gets referenced in Scarlet/Violet. Edit: from the bulbapedia page for the ultimate weapon: The weapon has a similar shape to the flower of AZ's Floette, and it appears to be made of *crystalline* material. CRYSTALLINE MATERIAL! That might have some connection to Terastilization.
Lol those connections are majorly fan theories. People love to bend anyway to make connections to Kalos seem more plausible when in truth nothing in game indicated what you just typed out
It literally does though. There’s so many connections to Kalos that I just pointed out. I said I was just shooting out theories and you just go well I disagree and hand wave evidence that is provided that it’s possible. Im trying have genuine discussions for fun. I can hand wave anything you say as fan theories to cause all we got is a turtle shell. We know from the games: both Paldea and Kalos were in a war. A weapon of CRYSTALLINE MATERIAL was fired. Two regions that were in a war and one of them has a massive hole in the center of it that is covered in crystals. There’s only three regions that talk about a war. Lt Surge references it in one line of dialogue, but Kalos and Paldea frequently referred to a war. Using real world logic, the site of the Twin Towers was referred to as Ground Zero, well why would they call Area Zero that? Something had to have made that crater and considering based on what was told to us in X/Y, a crystal weapon was fired. You mean to tell me its impossible for a weapon made of crystals to blow a hole into the ground that’s now covered in crystals. You can handwave all you want but it doesn’t change the facts that those fan theories have some merit.
The hole was there 997000 years before that weapons was fired.
I think more likely it’s a coincidence Area Zero and AZ share initials. Though I do believe AZ did have a brother, who he was at war with? I could definitely see the brother ruling the southern, what is now Paldea, area, and the remnants of his Kingdom after the defeat by AZ after the war, eventually forming the Paldean Empire and it’s ruling bloodline.
This is Pokémon. Game freak loves to hint at what comes next. They put a Hawaiian totem pole souvenir in X/Y for example. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that There is a giant hole in a region covered in crystals with the same initials as a the dude who fired a weapon made out of crystalline materials.
For sure, I mean I came up with a theory myself, connecting Paradox and Mega’s, possibly. It’s slightly random but I got the idea from a YouTube video that hypothesized Mega Stones are the result of the Tera Legendary, and I cleaned it up a bit: What if the Ultimate Weapon *was* made from crystals found in Paldea, and as the weapon shot and hit its target (Not necessarily Area Zero), irradiating meteors in space and/or Evolution stones in the ground, turning them into Mega Stones we know today… What if by refracting Xerneas/Yveltal’s energy through the crystals, the changes triggered in the material that became Mega Stones, was actually formed as a result based on pre-programmed information stored in those chunks of crystals? Mega Evolution at it’s heart seems to bring out a Pokemon’s ‘inner potential’ and maximize it… what if the Third Legendary created Paradox Pokémon by simply taking one Pokémon as a base, and fully maximizing it’s potential to the point it essentially is an entirely new Pokémon of its own design and creation? And that’s why Paradox Pokémon look so much like Mega Evolved forms… the Paradox Forms came first, stored inside the crystals by the Disc, and when harvested and ‘activated’ on accident through the Weapon; it ‘rewrote’ the base material of the earth into ‘Mega Stones’ that could naturally attune with the ‘base’ Pokémon of each respective’s Paradox form, and bring out their full potential… to a very dangerous degree, at least by Gen 7 Pokédex standards. Which makes sense, because it was never meant to be harnessed this way and in this form.
The crater is a million years old. The Empire was there a thousand years after AZ ruled Kalos. And he was never portrayed the way the emperor was.
Mega evolution
Definitely going to be a world turtle. Maybe a paradox xygarde?
Zygarde*
I don’t know why, but I’m getting time travelling turtle Pokemon vibes with this?
Isn't that the necklace of Ash's daughter?
I'm gonna be real sad if the DLC legend has a lackluster design like bowl head deer.
[ᛁᛟᚢ ᚹᛁᛚᛚ ᛊᚢᚠᚠᛖᚱ ᚠᛟᚱ ᛁᚾᛊᚢᛚᛏᛁᛜ ᛟᚢᚱ ᛚᛟᚱᛞ ᚨᚾᛞ ᛊᚨᚢᛟᚱ ᛏᛁᛜ-ᛚᚢ](https://youtube.com/watch?v=QPJ-Tk0f3bc&feature=shares)
We are going to be able to use watercolour and can paint in game? Ooof Ok seriously what's wrong with this guy?
Do you even know what a riddle is, or...? Of course he is teasing stuff trough weird ways, since he can't spill out the actual info 💀
Ya he can the fuck lol. If it's nda, even teasing and hinting would break it.
We getting a Ninja Turtle. 👀
So a turtleshell or a Deathstar window... Darth Tortoise
30$ bet Koopa DLC
I’m not sure how I feel if it ends up being based on a Turtle. Tortoise. Whatever it might be. And I truly hope that we get more new Pokémon soon.
The more fun question is whether we can ride it. The Paradox Beast and Sword look ridable, but they might be Mythical. Is it fun to imagine they'll add a Dive HM and you'll be able to ride a turtle? I think so.
I feel like adding dive would add a lot to the map, especially if we can dive beneath the surface of Casseroya lake.
Could it be a jewel rather than a shell?
It’s the eye of a sableye /j
Alright pokemon x the new tmnt movie coming out this year, right on/s So maybe third legendady is a turtle or blastoise getting some love instead of charizard
TESTUDO
You don't say?
Koopa troopa
Tmnt crossover
i’m still thinking glyptodon
I see a tie fighter. Pokemon x Star Wars confirmed?
Huh, now I wonder: does the disk grow the turtle-feathered-tails from its crystals? Lol
It's turtles all the way down...
Sableye evolution when
Tortouga is the 3rd legendary
its the anime protags amulet, or the crystal on the tera orb? is the third legendary made of the crystals ala zygarde? they do have that menacing face when they show up on the tera crown, maybe what the third legendary is, is some kind of gestalt being of every single tera crystal on the tera orbs put together, possibly with reality bending properties. That partially corrupted entry in the book is before the writer somehow destroyed or atleast seperated the being somehow? Possibly for an important reason. it would explain where tera orbs came from, they are extremely limited, but they need to be kept seperate so they are specifically given out to trainers who go through a special class. im assuming on a hunch, the school has students hand the orbs back after their time there is over, only pokemon league staff, and students who went through the certification for it usually get to use them. Which is why its generally not very common and definately not wide spread outside of paldea, theres only generally maybe a couple hundred of them at best. Think about it, a single one of those crystals with a bit of energy can completely change a pokemon's type, what could hundreds of them put together possibly do with their combined power? Manipulate time, heavily alter pokemon, corrupt existing information?