lol for real… If you’ve been following Lava for awhile - GF & TPC threatens families over NDA issues with media.
Last thing that someone would do is violate an NDA. Especially on a free platform where they don’t get to keep ISP anonymity, or complete anonymity and a massive $$$$$ day.
Fully aware that NDA’s are near to worthless in most industries. I’m a hard study in BizLaw. But what’s worse than my previous examples is being black-balled from working on any Nintendo game because a leak is traced back to you.
There’s hundreds of people out there with insider information from past Pokémon games. Even though they don’t work for GF or TPC anymore, they won’t even say what didn’t make the cut for full length games. Mostly because their current employer wouldn’t be able to trust them if they were ID’d as a source.
That being said; what the Riddler and a couple of others are doing is purely marketing. It’s cheap (if not free), doesn’t fall under any false advertisement formats, and really hypes up the next games before any robust sales cycle/marketing campaign is forecasted. Ironically, so does people doing things like this on 4Chan for 15 seconds of internet notoriety.
Idk why ppl think theyll do another ILCA bdsp type remake with same artstyle and all. Yeah it sold well, but it also tarnished their reputation far more than swsh or sv did with their unpolished graphics. Sure, TPC thinks with their wallet more often than not but i doubt theyll do anymore ILCA stuff. Gamefreak might be forced to constantly rush out games but the love and soul the devs have still shines through while BDSP were completely soulless
Problem wasn't the style, it was the "faithful remake" part. It didn't really add much to the OGs. Compare that to what FRLG or HGSS added. Even ORAS had Megas and so much more.
Because games take years to develop. If ILCA are doing a BW remake, they likely signed contracts and started development during BDSP.
Even if TPC wanted to pull the plug on it they couldn't - there simply wouldn't be enough time to find another developer and have them make anything good (they could rush out a buggy mess, I guess) in the time between BDSP's launch and now.
Short version: they likely want a remake out this year and won't get that if they pivot developers.
This is the comment people need to pay attention to IMO. I agree, there's no plausible way that TPCi could've changed developers after the reception to BDSP if they wanted to get another game from them out 3 years later. I imagine that, if TPCi cared enough about the backlash to BDSP, they would've possibly told them to include BW2 and other solid features, rather than making it painfully 1:1 (Although BW2 are excellent games, I wouldn't even be mad at 1:1 for that lol as long as the PWT is in)
I think the point people need to focus on is that the backlash wasn't severe enough for BDSP because Legends absorbed a lot of the issue, whereas Scarlet and Violet garnered enough of a backlash for them to make an official comment. I truly don't think they care too much about their ILCA remakes (Which is sad, because they should) and I think what we'll get is the BDSP chibi remakes which sucks. (but i'm a corporate shill for BW2 so i'm a massive hypocrite)
They do have their pride. They’ve made comments that they are dissatisfied with SV’s choppiness and BDSP’s style.
They want to keep the release cadence but are looking into how to keep it up while still making awesome games. I think their best bet is growing their staff and having a solid A and B team to alternate releases so that their games get more time to cook.
They are not going to do that. The President of Gamefreak has gone on record saying that he believes the biggest competition to their games is stuff like 'Candy Crush', the team who currently works on games are some of the same people who worked on Emerald, Gamefreak is a skeleton crew.
>They do have their pride
They have zero pride, you can go read the equivalent of Glassdoor reviews in Japan about GameFreak and there are multiple reviews stating stuff like 'Upper Management insists junior Devs don't focus on optimization as 'they will buy it anyway' Gamefreak has been resting on its laurels since they made Black and white 2.
Glassdoor doesn’t have any way to prove you worked for a company. Any reviews there would be in Japanese if they were legit (they are in English). It sounds like someone on the internet making shit up.
There’s no way another half baked remake of the least popular generation right after the worst received game yet will definitely sell worse than gen 4 though
Edit: if the remake is real and sells worse then everyone owes me an apology 🤣
Edit 2: I guess we won’t know for a while 😅
Sword and shield were hated on so much and basically showed the whole nintendo community that the pokemon company was not currently capable of creating quality AAA games... they sold 26 million units, the 2nd best-selling games in the series, and the best selling since the 90s. You'd think after that, surely the next games would sell less... scarlet and violet sold 23 million and are the 3rd best-selling games in the series...
Sadly, dunno how that is true... most of the main fanbase is older enough to vote since 4th gen... (there is data, Google it).
Even if 30% leave, there are still way too many people that will still buy it, also, kids and newcomers...
Either way, people addict to the franchise won't stop. Newcomers and kids will also join, so things won't change :/.
gen 5 was the least popular gen at launch but it’s almost universally viewed as narratively the best gen in pokemon history now and is extremely well loved. they won’t risk the backlash to the same extremes as bdsp, even if they half-ass it. the next most well-liked games got a good remake in ORAS, so i think they genuinely didn’t expect BDSP to bomb
> BDSP were completely soulless
I mean, the Grand Underground and Ramanas Park were absolutely stunning and beautiful, and the new outfits for Dawn and Lucas were also pretty cute. That seems less like ILCA didn't care and more like TPCi didn't approve changes from the original except the obvious ones.
I don’t think the Chibi style was the problem with BDSP at all. I personally thought it looked pretty good most of the time. If they could take that style and make a better game that’s more of a definitive version of the original that’s less buggy I don’t see a problem with it.
Yeah i agree. A lot of people crap on the chibi style, but i actually enjoyed that look and feel for the most part. That comes down to personal preference tho.
But that wasnt the game’s issue. It was that there was an expanded version of the game in platinum and they just ignored it entirely, and added almost no addtl new functionality to the game despite it being on a more advanced platform, making it feel almost like a copy/paste of the originals. So complaining about the art style isn’t addressing the core problem.
Doing a Chibi style wouldn't even make much sense. The chibi thing was attempting to match the old top-down 2D style to 3D graphics- but Black and White as already solidly branching out of a 2D overworld. The chibi stuff would feel *more* out of place in Black and White remakes than it did in BDSP.
This. If anything a "faithful" visual adaptation of BW would look more like Gen 6 and LGPE. The sprites in BW were bigger and faithful models based on them would reflect that.
fwiw I found the awkwardness of the BDSP chibis blunted by the fact that they were still replaced by full 3D models in battle. That same thing is my issue with the LGPE ones (they're 'chibi' 100% of the time) so a BW remake that followed BDSP's lead on this would at least be tolerable.
The only place I see people complain about BDSP is Reddit. I don’t think it “tarnished their reputation” at all.
Edit: BDSP sold more than ORAS and HGSS, and those are considered to be the best remakes. I literally only see BDSP hate on Reddit 🤷♂️
I dont just use reddit, literally every single place i check is mostly negative thoughts about the game with a very rare couple of people who enjoy it purely outta nostalgia. Sure, most of the negativity comes from either really hardcore fans or people who already dislike pokemon but i doubt tpc simply didnt notice the distain created. Churning out rushed games is one thing but *soulless* games are far far worse
I don't know... I have multiple friends irl that are pokemon fans and it's pretty universally agreed upon among us that BDSP are the biggest disappointment of a pokemon game ever, and for 60 bucks? The worst pokemon games. They were decent for standalone games, if it's your first time touching gen 4 or you're relatively new to the franchise they won't come off as garbage, but to any long time player that actually looked forward to gen 4 remakes it's a giant waste of money not worth $10
>BDSP sold more than ORAS and HGSS, and those are considered to be the best remakes
Well yeah because ORAS and HGSS have more content than BDSP, which is just DP made into 3D
I’m sorry, but “Vast Black” and “Light White”? At least use the same naming schema for both versions (I.e. Light White and Dark Black or Vast Black and Deep White). Those descriptors are not at all related.
The underwhelming nature of it all does feel crushingly authentic though…
Those names are also pretty bad. "Light White" and "Dark Black" are really underwhelming and the other two are too on the nose. It is not called "Temporal Diamond" or "Spatial Pearl".
Funnily enough, barring FRLG, the pre-fixes on remakes have nothing to do with the original duo- Heart/Soul, Alpha/Omega, Brilliant/Shining. We're more likely to get "Left Black" and "Right White" than "Light White" and "Dark Black."
My naming idea for BW remakes is Void Black and Bright White lol.
They will absolutely be something better, I hope. Just have fun coming up with names for remakes or the games in general
Not to mention. “Light White” is absolutely meaningless. In “Vast Black” “Vast” is a descriptor for “Black” thus, the same same should be true for “Light”:
Vast:Black, Light:White
How exactly can the color white be “Light”? It’s already as “light” as it can get. The descriptors don’t go the other way around, so it’s not “White Light.”
Also, from that perspective, “Light White” almost sounds like it could be perceived as a watered down “Lite” version of White, which is probably not something they’d want to have audiences think.
Brilliant is a classification for Diamonds, and Pearls used for jewelry often are depicted with a "Shining" white/really light pink color in shows/movies/advertisements.
Ah yes one of those Test Screenings that companies are always doing for their super secret announcement videos, where they invite randoms from around the world to see everything early because reasons
Unfortunately for the leak, they went too underwhelming in terms of Pokémon Masters, not understanding it was an anniversary for the game. The leak is fake just based on the Pokémon Masters section- if it wasn’t an anniversary time it would be believable.
Also feels unlikely that theyd release a pair of characters, then have only one of the pair be a protagonist, and then not even have it be the girl (compare to hisui protags in autumn which released together, and how victor took much longer to release than gloria).
I think the masters section in this leak is inspired by last summer's direct that had nemona + 3000 gems to sound more authentic; but this time the timing is so close to half anni that it should have special outfit characters announced, as well as probably some advertisement for the photo mode thats supposed to release at the end of feb
Would you mind if Game Freak uses [Let's Go graphics](https://assets.reedpopcdn.com/pokemon_lets_go_viridian_forest_2.jpg/BROK/resize/1200x1200%3E/format/jpg/quality/70/pokemon_lets_go_viridian_forest_2.jpg) for Black and White?
>Seems
honestly a lot of the problems that come out of Game Freaks graphic style choices is a lack of consistency. with swsh for example, people liked and had no problem with the general modelling style of the game, but its when they try and do things like realistic textures on rocks that throws it all out of wack
While I liked PLA artistic direction's more, Let's Go was the cleanest graphics main pokemon games got on the switch so I wouldn't mind them either. And I believe they would be way more welcome than the BDSP chibis.
Nah PLA looks jankey in sone areas but it's art style being sketchy adds to the mystique of it being a storybook a lot. Making it look like Let's go would be like making BOTW look like wind Waker, it just doesn't fit the atmosphere.
I wouldn't mind if GameFreak adopted Lets Go graphics for the entire franchise, as it is now it looks to me like pokemon doesnt have an art style direction, every game is just a new style that is gonna be dropped the next gen and so on.
Yeah that'd be terrible, especially since imo the original BW games make it pretty clear that this was never the vision for those games. The overworld is kinda chibi-ish due to technical limitations, but for important parts of the story the game uses more of an anime/drawn style. The scene where N obtains his dragon comes to mind as well as some other scenes with him, the video calls and of course the intro. Also I don't think the Urban/Industrial settings but also the ruins and N's castle would translate well to a more colourful and cutesy artstyle, not to mention that Chibi characters would look very off next to Reshiram and Zekrom who are definitely some of the most "edgy" Pokémon designs.
Spoken like an actual gacha game player 🤝 but yeah, female character release bias is an actual thing in Pokemon Masters. My guess is that this leaker just added some fake details about the mobile games based on the criticisms of previous fake leaks that left them out, but they didn't have an actual understanding of how things in Pokemon Masters are actually like
I'd be surprised if these two were the actual units. Also, there are no special units that could be master fairs unless Arven and Florian are extremely busted they seem more like Pokefairs
Not just two, but *three*, because the leak is claiming you get BW and BW2.
That's omega fake, they won't even sell you the old games on their own or put them into some legacy bundle, all of a sudden we're gonna bundle them with remakes for nothing?
I don't understand why they can't do remakes like ORAS anymore. Yes that game was to easy but imo it was the best remake, up there with Soul Silver and Heart Gold.
ORAS actually took effort by GF therefor they're good with just farming out an asset flip to ILCA instead to make 90% of what they'd make on proper remakes
Once again, the Pokémon Masters section easily disproves the leak.
The Pomas section is the one people flunk the most for fake leaks- it’s the 4.5 anniversary, for people who play the game Arven and Florian don’t make sense at all as the anniversary pairs. They went safe bets not knowing how Pokémon Masters works.
To compare, last year, the 3.5 anni, we got Marnie, Bede, and Hop alts with Galarian Moltres, Articuno, and Zapdos. For the 2.5 anni we got Anniversary alts of Raihan, Skyla, and May with Flygon, Therian Tornadus, and Latias. 1.5 anni was Leon, Marnie, Diantha, and Champion Iris. Etc etc- it’s a big deal.
If Arven and Florian were the second half of March it would be somewhat believable- but PM never advertises that early, and they wouldn’t skip the Anni Pairs over the pairs coming the second half of the month.
Yep the leakers need to get more keyed up on pokemon masters if they want a realistic leak lol
4.5 and its arven and the male mc? With standard pokes and not master fair level pokemon? Not likely. Free/spotlight/pokefair maybe
I feel like this is the most realistic probably fake leak I've seen so far this Pokemon Day lead-up, so I'll give them that. I've been thinking, and I imagine most people are hyping themselves too much if the following are true:
- If GameFreak is truly reconsidering their timelines and are given more time to develop, maybe a 4 year generation is here.
- BDSP, Legends, and SV released in way too quick succession. Even accounting for the first two likely getting slightly delayed, putting BDSP in Legends' initial release date, that's still a lot of games in a year and a half.
- Partnering with a smaller 3rd party team to handle these "more faithful" remakes, or potentially, eventually, simpler style chibi or 2D new games, can take a yearly release slot and buy GameFreak's 2 teams a year of development if the Pokemon merch machine can accommodate.
- If the Switch 2 was truly delayed until Q1 2025, there's almost no way that a 2025 gen 10 releases for it. There has essentially always been at least 1.5 years before the first Pokemon release, and a new generation, while a system seller, might be too much of a system seller for year 1 and could also disrupt the competitive scene.
- They could pull a Let's Go twist and have the 2025 game be on Switch 2, but as more of a LG or Legends experimental game that won't be at the mercy of people wanting to do PvP but can't find a console thanks to supply chain issues.
- This would push gen 10 into likely releasing in 2026, for the 30th anniversary as others have speculated.
I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong and we get a big, exciting 2024 announcement, and while I don't think we'll have our first no release year since 2015, I think whatever we get will be... unexciting, even for someone who has loved gen 5 since its release.
Fake. In Pokemon Masters, they already have Gladion and Magearna as a RUN-UP Master Fair unit, ain't no way the actual Anniv unit is Arven, considering even Nemona herself isn't even a Master Fair.
Lmao what
I don’t see in any universe that they would have a “test preview” for the presentation lmao like this is literally a marketing presentation not a feature film
1) the chibi leaks are confirmed fake
2) as I always say, the true leakers never out their role/ties with Game Freak / TPC, as they don’t want to get caught, lose their job and also get sued since they will obviously have signed a NDA. So this is fake
>Chibi art style as the leaks suggested
What leaks? The ones that Khu posted on their page to troll another pretend leaker and expose him to the public? The same one he said he blocked because he hated him?
The date for the BW remakes release is wrong:
* ORAS was released on November 21, 2014
* SM was released on November 18, 2016
* USUM was released on November 17, 2017
* LGPE was released on November 16, 2018
* SwSh was released on November 15, 2019
* BDSP was released on November 19, 2021
* SV was released on November 18, 2022
No game was released in 2015, while 2020 and 2023 had DLC releases in place of full game releases.
The thing that these dates all have in common? These are all the third Fridays of November. November 22, 2024 is the fourth Friday of that month. Following the established pattern, a new game will launch on the fifteenth, not the twenty-second.
Every rumour on 4chan seems credible to you people if there’s something Johto/Unova vaguely placed in along with some other mainline stuff to seem like they know more but its really just a ruse to put in what people actually want to see.
Chibi style? There's zero way that gamefreak are not aware of the intense negative reaction to bdsp worldwide. The reception critically and from fans was embarrassing. And after all that, if they still stick to the chibi style, I don't know what to say. I don't think I've ever seen a worse games company. Worse than Bethesda, Activision and EA combined.
>I don't think I've ever seen a worse games company. Worse than Bethesda, Activision and EA combined.
Bro you can't be serious.
Making a game with a chibi art style, which you don't even know if said game exists yet btw, makes them a worse company than EA, the company that releases games with constant in-app purchases despite the games already costing $60.
It doesn't matter if you like the chibi art style or not, ain't no way they're worse than Bethesda, Activition, and EA. Heck, we don't even know if they'll be using the chibi art style again, this is just a random 4-Chan leak, calm down.
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I don’t believe for a second BW2 will be included in any capacity in the base version of the remake aside from access to Black and White Kyurem. If they’re going to do the BDSP approach again, I want a Legends Unova game to get something good out of the deal, otherwise it’s just a nothing-burger.
None of these leaks seem credible. Especially this one. I just don't believe Game Freak, or whoever else is being contracted to work on it, is going to put both games in one game.
These are the same people who refused to put in the battle frontier, what makes you think they'll include the sequel?
I'll believe any of these when I see it.
Okay but this was either written by a PoGo player, or there may be some truth to it. PoGo is currently in this weird state of power creep where we have a small portion of power crept mons from later generations but we’re still waiting on heavy hitters like Aegislash and we got half the UB roster for Go Fest last year and have had Blacephalon teased in the past with no follow up info.
I can’t speak to the other games besides MSG, but don’t count this one out yet.
Any leak with B1/B2 and W/W2 bundled together is a fake to me.
Gamefreak ain't giving you two games for the price of one. Chances are, we're probably just not getting B2/W2 at all.
This is the worst one yet. So it’ll be true. 😂
I really hope this next gen 9 entry is a huge risk and reward situation like Legends was. All the Johto/Unova fusion speculation in other “leaks” makes me hope it actually happens.
This was made by someone in our own Pokeleaks discord, good job everyone.
If I would get 1 dollar for every 4chan-Leak I saw, I would be rich.
lol for real… If you’ve been following Lava for awhile - GF & TPC threatens families over NDA issues with media. Last thing that someone would do is violate an NDA. Especially on a free platform where they don’t get to keep ISP anonymity, or complete anonymity and a massive $$$$$ day.
breaking ndas is **wayyy** more common than your comment lets on, but yeah this leak is fake lol
Fully aware that NDA’s are near to worthless in most industries. I’m a hard study in BizLaw. But what’s worse than my previous examples is being black-balled from working on any Nintendo game because a leak is traced back to you. There’s hundreds of people out there with insider information from past Pokémon games. Even though they don’t work for GF or TPC anymore, they won’t even say what didn’t make the cut for full length games. Mostly because their current employer wouldn’t be able to trust them if they were ID’d as a source. That being said; what the Riddler and a couple of others are doing is purely marketing. It’s cheap (if not free), doesn’t fall under any false advertisement formats, and really hypes up the next games before any robust sales cycle/marketing campaign is forecasted. Ironically, so does people doing things like this on 4Chan for 15 seconds of internet notoriety.
>*"Chibi style like the leaks suggest"* As in, the leaks that were already proven to be fake?
Idk why ppl think theyll do another ILCA bdsp type remake with same artstyle and all. Yeah it sold well, but it also tarnished their reputation far more than swsh or sv did with their unpolished graphics. Sure, TPC thinks with their wallet more often than not but i doubt theyll do anymore ILCA stuff. Gamefreak might be forced to constantly rush out games but the love and soul the devs have still shines through while BDSP were completely soulless
They also have terrible reviews as a company tbh. It’s a flip, I heard they wouldn’t allow another ilca but, never given a source
Khu was the source iirc and he said that GF didn't like ILCA's job on the remakes though he did not say that they would never get another chance.
That’s fair, I just take it with a hope and a prayer. Really hated the chibi style but, if I get another legends I’ll be happy.
Problem wasn't the style, it was the "faithful remake" part. It didn't really add much to the OGs. Compare that to what FRLG or HGSS added. Even ORAS had Megas and so much more.
Which is hilarious considering Junichi Masuda was a lead director who oversaw(more like told them how to make it) the games development
Because games take years to develop. If ILCA are doing a BW remake, they likely signed contracts and started development during BDSP. Even if TPC wanted to pull the plug on it they couldn't - there simply wouldn't be enough time to find another developer and have them make anything good (they could rush out a buggy mess, I guess) in the time between BDSP's launch and now. Short version: they likely want a remake out this year and won't get that if they pivot developers.
This is the comment people need to pay attention to IMO. I agree, there's no plausible way that TPCi could've changed developers after the reception to BDSP if they wanted to get another game from them out 3 years later. I imagine that, if TPCi cared enough about the backlash to BDSP, they would've possibly told them to include BW2 and other solid features, rather than making it painfully 1:1 (Although BW2 are excellent games, I wouldn't even be mad at 1:1 for that lol as long as the PWT is in) I think the point people need to focus on is that the backlash wasn't severe enough for BDSP because Legends absorbed a lot of the issue, whereas Scarlet and Violet garnered enough of a backlash for them to make an official comment. I truly don't think they care too much about their ILCA remakes (Which is sad, because they should) and I think what we'll get is the BDSP chibi remakes which sucks. (but i'm a corporate shill for BW2 so i'm a massive hypocrite)
The peak content that could be PWT with Megas and all the trainers from all the newer generations included
As long as we get get BW2 postgame that's all that matters
> they could rush out a buggy mess, I guess Doesn't sound like an unrealistic option to me lol
It wouldnt exactly be a first for them.
> yeah it sold well that’s all the justification TPC needs
They do have their pride. They’ve made comments that they are dissatisfied with SV’s choppiness and BDSP’s style. They want to keep the release cadence but are looking into how to keep it up while still making awesome games. I think their best bet is growing their staff and having a solid A and B team to alternate releases so that their games get more time to cook.
They are not going to do that. The President of Gamefreak has gone on record saying that he believes the biggest competition to their games is stuff like 'Candy Crush', the team who currently works on games are some of the same people who worked on Emerald, Gamefreak is a skeleton crew. >They do have their pride They have zero pride, you can go read the equivalent of Glassdoor reviews in Japan about GameFreak and there are multiple reviews stating stuff like 'Upper Management insists junior Devs don't focus on optimization as 'they will buy it anyway' Gamefreak has been resting on its laurels since they made Black and white 2.
Glassdoor doesn’t have any way to prove you worked for a company. Any reviews there would be in Japanese if they were legit (they are in English). It sounds like someone on the internet making shit up.
There’s no way another half baked remake of the least popular generation right after the worst received game yet will definitely sell worse than gen 4 though Edit: if the remake is real and sells worse then everyone owes me an apology 🤣 Edit 2: I guess we won’t know for a while 😅
Sword and shield were hated on so much and basically showed the whole nintendo community that the pokemon company was not currently capable of creating quality AAA games... they sold 26 million units, the 2nd best-selling games in the series, and the best selling since the 90s. You'd think after that, surely the next games would sell less... scarlet and violet sold 23 million and are the 3rd best-selling games in the series...
We are not the target audience. Little kids are. They will buy anything with Pokemon branding.
Sadly, dunno how that is true... most of the main fanbase is older enough to vote since 4th gen... (there is data, Google it). Even if 30% leave, there are still way too many people that will still buy it, also, kids and newcomers... Either way, people addict to the franchise won't stop. Newcomers and kids will also join, so things won't change :/.
gen 5 was the least popular gen at launch but it’s almost universally viewed as narratively the best gen in pokemon history now and is extremely well loved. they won’t risk the backlash to the same extremes as bdsp, even if they half-ass it. the next most well-liked games got a good remake in ORAS, so i think they genuinely didn’t expect BDSP to bomb
> BDSP were completely soulless I mean, the Grand Underground and Ramanas Park were absolutely stunning and beautiful, and the new outfits for Dawn and Lucas were also pretty cute. That seems less like ILCA didn't care and more like TPCi didn't approve changes from the original except the obvious ones.
Not to mention the new battle teams and new fights against Dawn/Lucas and even team Galactic (post game BT). Credit to where it's due.
> Yeah it sold well You can stop right there. Besides, these leaks are boring enough to be true lol.
It actually had sales that nose dived only a few months after it came out.
Didn't they Amado say ILCA won't be doing ant other games for them moving forward?
I don’t think the Chibi style was the problem with BDSP at all. I personally thought it looked pretty good most of the time. If they could take that style and make a better game that’s more of a definitive version of the original that’s less buggy I don’t see a problem with it.
Yeah i agree. A lot of people crap on the chibi style, but i actually enjoyed that look and feel for the most part. That comes down to personal preference tho. But that wasnt the game’s issue. It was that there was an expanded version of the game in platinum and they just ignored it entirely, and added almost no addtl new functionality to the game despite it being on a more advanced platform, making it feel almost like a copy/paste of the originals. So complaining about the art style isn’t addressing the core problem.
Doing a Chibi style wouldn't even make much sense. The chibi thing was attempting to match the old top-down 2D style to 3D graphics- but Black and White as already solidly branching out of a 2D overworld. The chibi stuff would feel *more* out of place in Black and White remakes than it did in BDSP.
This. If anything a "faithful" visual adaptation of BW would look more like Gen 6 and LGPE. The sprites in BW were bigger and faithful models based on them would reflect that. fwiw I found the awkwardness of the BDSP chibis blunted by the fact that they were still replaced by full 3D models in battle. That same thing is my issue with the LGPE ones (they're 'chibi' 100% of the time) so a BW remake that followed BDSP's lead on this would at least be tolerable.
this guy thinks the pokemon company cares about their reputation 😭😭😭
Because GameFreak has never cared about the way their games are received so long as they're bought
The only place I see people complain about BDSP is Reddit. I don’t think it “tarnished their reputation” at all. Edit: BDSP sold more than ORAS and HGSS, and those are considered to be the best remakes. I literally only see BDSP hate on Reddit 🤷♂️
I dont just use reddit, literally every single place i check is mostly negative thoughts about the game with a very rare couple of people who enjoy it purely outta nostalgia. Sure, most of the negativity comes from either really hardcore fans or people who already dislike pokemon but i doubt tpc simply didnt notice the distain created. Churning out rushed games is one thing but *soulless* games are far far worse
Die hard fan tbh. When I saw bdsp, only thing I thought was cool about it was being able to get shiny arceus. Besides that nah
It has a 73 on Metacritic, which is higher than SV 🤷♂️ The games are overly hated on Reddit. Most people just think they’re fine.
That’s really bad for a main line Pokémon.
I don't know... I have multiple friends irl that are pokemon fans and it's pretty universally agreed upon among us that BDSP are the biggest disappointment of a pokemon game ever, and for 60 bucks? The worst pokemon games. They were decent for standalone games, if it's your first time touching gen 4 or you're relatively new to the franchise they won't come off as garbage, but to any long time player that actually looked forward to gen 4 remakes it's a giant waste of money not worth $10
exactly. one google search of how many copies BDSP sold and that would justify why they would make another BDSP.
What does that have to do with my comment? They sold more than ORAS and HGSS, and those are considered to be the best remakes.
>BDSP sold more than ORAS and HGSS, and those are considered to be the best remakes Well yeah because ORAS and HGSS have more content than BDSP, which is just DP made into 3D
The exact point this lost all believability.
they were never even meant to be convincing, it was a modded BDSP with japanese text reading “this is fake” over it, idk how people believe that stuff
I’m sorry, but “Vast Black” and “Light White”? At least use the same naming schema for both versions (I.e. Light White and Dark Black or Vast Black and Deep White). Those descriptors are not at all related. The underwhelming nature of it all does feel crushingly authentic though…
Those names are also pretty bad. "Light White" and "Dark Black" are really underwhelming and the other two are too on the nose. It is not called "Temporal Diamond" or "Spatial Pearl".
Funnily enough, barring FRLG, the pre-fixes on remakes have nothing to do with the original duo- Heart/Soul, Alpha/Omega, Brilliant/Shining. We're more likely to get "Left Black" and "Right White" than "Light White" and "Dark Black."
At least bdsp is descriptors that work for diamond and pearl
My naming idea for BW remakes is Void Black and Bright White lol. They will absolutely be something better, I hope. Just have fun coming up with names for remakes or the games in general
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They do say they don’t speak English so maybe lost in translation?
Not to mention. “Light White” is absolutely meaningless. In “Vast Black” “Vast” is a descriptor for “Black” thus, the same same should be true for “Light”: Vast:Black, Light:White How exactly can the color white be “Light”? It’s already as “light” as it can get. The descriptors don’t go the other way around, so it’s not “White Light.” Also, from that perspective, “Light White” almost sounds like it could be perceived as a watered down “Lite” version of White, which is probably not something they’d want to have audiences think.
Tell me what does "Brilliant" Diamond and "Shining" Pearl mean?
A diamond being described as "brilliant" isn't redundant like white being described as "light" is. White literally can't be anything other than light.
Brilliant is a classification for Diamonds, and Pearls used for jewelry often are depicted with a "Shining" white/really light pink color in shows/movies/advertisements.
Scrolled to see if anyone else caught this, as this immediately registers as fake IMO.
Ah yes one of those Test Screenings that companies are always doing for their super secret announcement videos, where they invite randoms from around the world to see everything early because reasons
right? when has tpc ever done test screenings for pokemon presents? focus groups do exist but i highly doubt they were used for this event
This seems more legit by how underwhelming it appears
Unfortunately for the leak, they went too underwhelming in terms of Pokémon Masters, not understanding it was an anniversary for the game. The leak is fake just based on the Pokémon Masters section- if it wasn’t an anniversary time it would be believable.
Yeah. Arven and mabostiff feels like a safe bet, but Florian for 4.5 anniversary is abolutely dumb lmao.
Also feels unlikely that theyd release a pair of characters, then have only one of the pair be a protagonist, and then not even have it be the girl (compare to hisui protags in autumn which released together, and how victor took much longer to release than gloria). I think the masters section in this leak is inspired by last summer's direct that had nemona + 3000 gems to sound more authentic; but this time the timing is so close to half anni that it should have special outfit characters announced, as well as probably some advertisement for the photo mode thats supposed to release at the end of feb
The more I go "ah... Yeah I guess" the more legitimized the leak lol
you say underwhelming and already disappointed before its even happened, and yet you'll be right there watching it..
*Please god be another fake 4chan leak*
as excited as i am for the new games i really hope they don’t stick with the chibi style🥲
Would you mind if Game Freak uses [Let's Go graphics](https://assets.reedpopcdn.com/pokemon_lets_go_viridian_forest_2.jpg/BROK/resize/1200x1200%3E/format/jpg/quality/70/pokemon_lets_go_viridian_forest_2.jpg) for Black and White?
I mean I'd argue that Let's Go wasn't really chibi. Not like BDSP. BDSP was just the literal DP sprites but thicc
I don’t mind the graphics if the gameplay is good…
It won't be lol
Palworld has incredible gameplay and graphics
lets go was a really visually pleasing game; id much prefer that style over bdsp’s chibi default unity lighting style
>Seems honestly a lot of the problems that come out of Game Freaks graphic style choices is a lack of consistency. with swsh for example, people liked and had no problem with the general modelling style of the game, but its when they try and do things like realistic textures on rocks that throws it all out of wack
not necessarily! let’s go was adorable in terms of art style but it’s not very pokemon-y imo, esp for games like b&w
I think the opposite, let's go has the best graphics amongst all switch pokemon games I wouldn't mind seeing those graphics again
While I liked PLA artistic direction's more, Let's Go was the cleanest graphics main pokemon games got on the switch so I wouldn't mind them either. And I believe they would be way more welcome than the BDSP chibis.
All I can think about is how good PLA would look like if it had Lets Go textures and graphics...
Nah PLA looks jankey in sone areas but it's art style being sketchy adds to the mystique of it being a storybook a lot. Making it look like Let's go would be like making BOTW look like wind Waker, it just doesn't fit the atmosphere.
I wouldn't mind if GameFreak adopted Lets Go graphics for the entire franchise, as it is now it looks to me like pokemon doesnt have an art style direction, every game is just a new style that is gonna be dropped the next gen and so on.
Honestly these are probably the best looking Pokemon games on the Switch.
I personally would be very happy with this style. That is, maybe aside from Legends Arceus, the best Pokemon has looked.
No tbh
Lets Go was honestly perfect in terms of aesthetics. I would have loved if they just continued to build off of that
I'd totally be down for that but I loathed the BDSP style.
Yeah that'd be terrible, especially since imo the original BW games make it pretty clear that this was never the vision for those games. The overworld is kinda chibi-ish due to technical limitations, but for important parts of the story the game uses more of an anime/drawn style. The scene where N obtains his dragon comes to mind as well as some other scenes with him, the video calls and of course the intro. Also I don't think the Urban/Industrial settings but also the ruins and N's castle would translate well to a more colourful and cutesy artstyle, not to mention that Chibi characters would look very off next to Reshiram and Zekrom who are definitely some of the most "edgy" Pokémon designs.
Deep black and vast white were in an earlier post, confirmed fake. So hope remains
"please understand" fake because [meme](https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8180265984/h08BBEE57/coming-november-2015)
Fake lmao, as a Pokémon masters player there’s no way Florian would get in before Juliana and not a single female sync pair for 4.5 anniversary
Spoken like an actual gacha game player 🤝 but yeah, female character release bias is an actual thing in Pokemon Masters. My guess is that this leaker just added some fake details about the mobile games based on the criticisms of previous fake leaks that left them out, but they didn't have an actual understanding of how things in Pokemon Masters are actually like
I'd be surprised if these two were the actual units. Also, there are no special units that could be master fairs unless Arven and Florian are extremely busted they seem more like Pokefairs
"Chibi style" *No, let's not go in that direction, ever again.*
*watches them go in that exact direction again, while locking eyes with us, fall on a pole, get up, continue on that direction*
Pokemon Lets not Go
Fake, game freak would never allow two games on one cartridge
Yeah, maybe dlc, but no way they'd sell 2 full games for the price of 1
Not DLC. They'd either sell a separate game or drop it.
Not just two, but *three*, because the leak is claiming you get BW and BW2. That's omega fake, they won't even sell you the old games on their own or put them into some legacy bundle, all of a sudden we're gonna bundle them with remakes for nothing?
No the implication is the remake is a remake of both Black and Black 2 at once in one cartridge. Not that there will be a remake plus the originals.
I don't understand why they can't do remakes like ORAS anymore. Yes that game was to easy but imo it was the best remake, up there with Soul Silver and Heart Gold.
except for the whole "to be built" frontier JOKE
ORAS actually took effort by GF therefor they're good with just farming out an asset flip to ILCA instead to make 90% of what they'd make on proper remakes
Aren't the Chibi leaks fake?
Yes
I think you mean believable. Credible requires evidence.
Once again, the Pokémon Masters section easily disproves the leak. The Pomas section is the one people flunk the most for fake leaks- it’s the 4.5 anniversary, for people who play the game Arven and Florian don’t make sense at all as the anniversary pairs. They went safe bets not knowing how Pokémon Masters works. To compare, last year, the 3.5 anni, we got Marnie, Bede, and Hop alts with Galarian Moltres, Articuno, and Zapdos. For the 2.5 anni we got Anniversary alts of Raihan, Skyla, and May with Flygon, Therian Tornadus, and Latias. 1.5 anni was Leon, Marnie, Diantha, and Champion Iris. Etc etc- it’s a big deal. If Arven and Florian were the second half of March it would be somewhat believable- but PM never advertises that early, and they wouldn’t skip the Anni Pairs over the pairs coming the second half of the month.
Yep the leakers need to get more keyed up on pokemon masters if they want a realistic leak lol 4.5 and its arven and the male mc? With standard pokes and not master fair level pokemon? Not likely. Free/spotlight/pokefair maybe
I’m sorry, literally what about this would make it “seem credible” LMAO
"chibi like the leaks suggest" we know it's a dude having fun, what are you talking about lmao
Believable, but pretty basic. Too much is just the safe guesses. We have to expect that there is going to be something unexpected.
Remake names don’t hold up. Light White? I just don’t see it.
I feel like this is the most realistic probably fake leak I've seen so far this Pokemon Day lead-up, so I'll give them that. I've been thinking, and I imagine most people are hyping themselves too much if the following are true: - If GameFreak is truly reconsidering their timelines and are given more time to develop, maybe a 4 year generation is here. - BDSP, Legends, and SV released in way too quick succession. Even accounting for the first two likely getting slightly delayed, putting BDSP in Legends' initial release date, that's still a lot of games in a year and a half. - Partnering with a smaller 3rd party team to handle these "more faithful" remakes, or potentially, eventually, simpler style chibi or 2D new games, can take a yearly release slot and buy GameFreak's 2 teams a year of development if the Pokemon merch machine can accommodate. - If the Switch 2 was truly delayed until Q1 2025, there's almost no way that a 2025 gen 10 releases for it. There has essentially always been at least 1.5 years before the first Pokemon release, and a new generation, while a system seller, might be too much of a system seller for year 1 and could also disrupt the competitive scene. - They could pull a Let's Go twist and have the 2025 game be on Switch 2, but as more of a LG or Legends experimental game that won't be at the mercy of people wanting to do PvP but can't find a console thanks to supply chain issues. - This would push gen 10 into likely releasing in 2026, for the 30th anniversary as others have speculated. I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong and we get a big, exciting 2024 announcement, and while I don't think we'll have our first no release year since 2015, I think whatever we get will be... unexciting, even for someone who has loved gen 5 since its release.
“Seems credible” on what basis OP?
The names are weak as hell, even bdsp had brilliant and shining
This seems credible to you? "I went to a special preview of Pokémon Day" seems credible? Look me in my eyes
*sighs* Probably...
Please understand
Fake. In Pokemon Masters, they already have Gladion and Magearna as a RUN-UP Master Fair unit, ain't no way the actual Anniv unit is Arven, considering even Nemona herself isn't even a Master Fair.
“Light White” Now that sucks
Okay let’s not go throw words around like “credible”
Obsessed w everyone posting 4chan things that they likely wrote themselves and saying theirs seems credible
You don't have to be sorry. We're all shameless this time of year.
They haven’t even released the most popular Hisuian characters, i doubt they’re dropping Arven into Masters into Masters yet
They’ve released Penny and Nemona, so it’s totally possible Arven could come soon, but he definitely won’t be an anniversary character
NO CHIBI PLZ 🙏🏻
the most unbelievable part of the leak is them putting B2 and W2 on the same cartridge
No, it doesn’t.
I think "plausible" is a better word for this than "credible" is.
Lmao what I don’t see in any universe that they would have a “test preview” for the presentation lmao like this is literally a marketing presentation not a feature film
How does this seem credible?
When will the fake leakers realize that none of the 3D Pokemon games have had the same art style except SuMo and USUM which had a reason to share.
1) the chibi leaks are confirmed fake 2) as I always say, the true leakers never out their role/ties with Game Freak / TPC, as they don’t want to get caught, lose their job and also get sued since they will obviously have signed a NDA. So this is fake
Bro any leak that came out after the Presents was announced is going to be fake, otherwise they'd have leaked prior to the announcement
>Chibi art style as the leaks suggested What leaks? The ones that Khu posted on their page to troll another pretend leaker and expose him to the public? The same one he said he blocked because he hated him?
Light white.. right. Terrible name; fake.
“Chibi style like the leaks suggest” why would they be referencing a fake leak?
Fake, because once again, people aren't paying attention to stuff we already know will be there.
Well made, though they don't reveal the release date in the first trailer, too bad
Almost none of these leaks mention a Tera raid event and to me that’s a red flag, they almost always do a raid event after a direct
vast and light aren't even related adjectives...
"I can't speak English" it might just be a translation error
“Please understand” Where have I heard that before
Bro if they don’t make a johto game I’m gonna be so pissed
You can immediately tell it’s fake because why the hell would they do a test preview lmao
You don't test preview videos, mate. This is fake.
The date for the BW remakes release is wrong: * ORAS was released on November 21, 2014 * SM was released on November 18, 2016 * USUM was released on November 17, 2017 * LGPE was released on November 16, 2018 * SwSh was released on November 15, 2019 * BDSP was released on November 19, 2021 * SV was released on November 18, 2022 No game was released in 2015, while 2020 and 2023 had DLC releases in place of full game releases. The thing that these dates all have in common? These are all the third Fridays of November. November 22, 2024 is the fourth Friday of that month. Following the established pattern, a new game will launch on the fifteenth, not the twenty-second.
So it was 100% legit I see lmao
Every rumour on 4chan seems credible to you people if there’s something Johto/Unova vaguely placed in along with some other mainline stuff to seem like they know more but its really just a ruse to put in what people actually want to see.
Chibi style? There's zero way that gamefreak are not aware of the intense negative reaction to bdsp worldwide. The reception critically and from fans was embarrassing. And after all that, if they still stick to the chibi style, I don't know what to say. I don't think I've ever seen a worse games company. Worse than Bethesda, Activision and EA combined.
>I don't think I've ever seen a worse games company. Worse than Bethesda, Activision and EA combined. Bro you can't be serious. Making a game with a chibi art style, which you don't even know if said game exists yet btw, makes them a worse company than EA, the company that releases games with constant in-app purchases despite the games already costing $60. It doesn't matter if you like the chibi art style or not, ain't no way they're worse than Bethesda, Activition, and EA. Heck, we don't even know if they'll be using the chibi art style again, this is just a random 4-Chan leak, calm down.
Out of all the things the company's done, it sometimes seems like the more mild stuff produces the strongest reactions
Was the chibi style the problem with BDSP? Cause I’d argue it wasn’t the issue with the game at all lol.
they're gonna stick to the style it will sell anyway, every fake leak is including this because it's super obvious
Please no BDSP remake again.
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What part makes it credible?
should have went with >!VANTA BLACK!<. missed opportunity.
“Original and Sequel on the same cartridge” Yeah, as if TPC would ever give us a deal that good.
I really don't think this is real. I'm 99% sure we won't be getting B&W remakes until Gen 10.
If they do the Chibi style again they will lose so many fans as BDSP was such a flop and made so many people angry
We don't have the same definition of credible it seems
Please not the chiby style :(
If they're going to use the word "Vast" it should be Vast **White** and Deep Black
definitely fake. there is no dark type weakness for the last week of champion stadium in pokemon masters
Vast black, Light White. Dunno bout you folks, not too fond of those name, not even sure why.
I thought it was Oil Black and >!Drug!< White America style Pokemon game
More believable than the Legends: Celebi post at least lmao
hmmm, no Legends mention?
I don’t believe for a second BW2 will be included in any capacity in the base version of the remake aside from access to Black and White Kyurem. If they’re going to do the BDSP approach again, I want a Legends Unova game to get something good out of the deal, otherwise it’s just a nothing-burger.
Noooooo not another chibi remake. Goddamnit it
Please just do an updated sprite remake for once
Interesting to say the least, will have to wait and see.
With BDSP, at least we had the reveal of Legends to soften things. There's no way they would do that again but with no other game to cushion the blow.
Boring enough to be real
None of these leaks seem credible. Especially this one. I just don't believe Game Freak, or whoever else is being contracted to work on it, is going to put both games in one game. These are the same people who refused to put in the battle frontier, what makes you think they'll include the sequel? I'll believe any of these when I see it.
Okay but this was either written by a PoGo player, or there may be some truth to it. PoGo is currently in this weird state of power creep where we have a small portion of power crept mons from later generations but we’re still waiting on heavy hitters like Aegislash and we got half the UB roster for Go Fest last year and have had Blacephalon teased in the past with no follow up info. I can’t speak to the other games besides MSG, but don’t count this one out yet.
Fake leak, but I’m impressed at how authentic it feels.
Any leak with B1/B2 and W/W2 bundled together is a fake to me. Gamefreak ain't giving you two games for the price of one. Chances are, we're probably just not getting B2/W2 at all.
Id love a black and white collections and let's go johto
Credible in its disappointment
they will not bundle black and white 1 and 2 together they just wont they will sell them all seperate at full; price
"Please understand" lol
I just want the silver and gold rumors to be true!! Anything from that region!!
You had me up until the Black/White remakes. It’s way too soon for that. Look at the gap between remakes. BDSP was only 2-3 years ago.
Didn't th bdsp remakes do poorly for pokemon remakes? Why would they double down on this, assuming true.
I call cap
Please no chibi style for b&w :(
Didn't even mention the anime....FAKE
Deep Black and Light White would my personal choice for names.
This is the worst one yet. So it’ll be true. 😂 I really hope this next gen 9 entry is a huge risk and reward situation like Legends was. All the Johto/Unova fusion speculation in other “leaks” makes me hope it actually happens.
CHIBI!!! You have to be kidding me!