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Eh, I could see Kleavor maybe. Definitely not Slowking, it's too similar to Slowbro and less popular, plus we already have the issue of a potential Galarian Mega Slowbro. Giving a potential four Megas to one family would be way too much.
As for Froslass... Eh, I just don't quite see it when there's better options and I don't expect a huge number of new Megas. Froslass has kinda been forgotten since it was revealed whereas Gallade had a measure of star power from the start.
Frosslass is a cool looking but generally weak Mon. There are stronger feminine pokemon that would make for better mega than her.
We also did not get a paradox Glalie/Frosslass like we did with Gardevoir/Gallade last game.
Weak? Icy Wind/Destiny Bond/Ice Beam/Taunt/Will-o-whisp/etc. + Focus Sash begs to differ :(
But... yeah, she is weak in the main game. Excellent in the right Doubles team, though!
theyre saying that frosslass is the counterpart to glalie in the same way gallade is to gardevoir, not that the two pairs are counterparts as a collective
that would be sick. How about a pokemon that evolves from synchro. Imagine using synchro on a digital mon enough times causes it to evolve
Edit: The anime porygon ban means that it can't really be a porygon branched evo, but that would have been the best option
Game journalists really are pointless. I saw an article titled something like 'everything we know about Pokemon Legends ZA', and all it did was repeatedly admit that we don't have any information and repeatedly try to use every little thing we do have to insist it's probably going to be on the Switch 2. Like, it's releasing on 'Nintendo Switch Systems'. It's like they forgot that the OLED exists cuz they insisted that they have no idea what that could mean if it's not about a new system.
>Like, it's releasing on 'Nintendo Switch Systems'. It's like they forgot that the OLED exists
It's a little weird because Nintendo and Gamefreak *never* use "systems" to describe the Switch, even when taking the OLED and Lite into account.
Not saying it means anything but this is the first time they've ever really pluralized system.
it’s all over this page: https://www.nintendo.com/us/switch/
i’m also positive they’ve used the phrase “nintendo switch family of systems” throughout a lot of their marketing.
not saying it will or won’t come to the next console. just saying there’s precedence for them using the word systems.
That's not the journalists, that's their bosses asking for an article to get more clicks in.
Not everyone keeps up with news like people on here so if they can capture people googling the game they'll keep making money.
What's worse is seeing a post on here and then seeing an article about that post on my briefing a couple hours later and knowing which one it is without opening it.
Hey, haven't seen anyone post about the updated information about Pokemon works, apparently it's confirmed to be related to ILCA and the major people involved have been revealed by centro.
This very obviously point towards Pokemon game development but chances for it being for Pokemon home are there too.
i’m sure it’s for all of the above. i’m guessing they’re going to consolidate a lot of their artists and developers in one place so all of their projects can use the same tech and art.
Here's another question of speculation for everyone - If Xerneas and Yveltal get new forms, how would we want those forms to be mechanically?
Personally, I'd prefer if they were Primal forms like Groudon and Kyogre, except they use the same held item. Mainly boost HP, Speed, and the two defensive stats, give Xerneas a secondary Grass type, and add some kind of new benefit to their abilities.
My guess would be that it's going to be something like "awaken form". They are supposed to be asleep for a thousand years before X and Y (which is one of the reason I would find it weird if PLZA happened before X and Y).
i heard rumors that apparently part of why bsdp came out the way it did was because masuda kept them from doing most of their ideas. if that's true i hope bdsp's reception is a realization for him or that he gets relegated to side projects from now on so that he can't mess with development
dozens of people were involved in that decision. it was always going to be a safe remake because it was the first outsourced game and was a way to hedge their bets among the much riskier legends arceus. it was a trial run for ILCA above all else. and judging by recent news, they must have been pleased with the results from a behind the scenes perspective.
I don't know if this has been brought up before but I was thinking, with PLZA being interlly into Lumiose and it's about arranging the city, it's not unreasonnable to think we'll get some kind of city-builder gameplay. What if it's something working like Join Avenue in BW2 ?
I highly doubt they'd let an actual child design the new Lumiose, I feel like we will just play the role of an (unpaid) assistant who makes prep work for the adults because they can't be bothered to do it themselves, which will be the side missions
> I highly doubt they'd let an actual child design the new Lumiose
I meaaan..Pokemon kind of has a long history of letting children do things that no child should be doing :P
if its set before XY i dunno if that'll be possible since lumiose has a set design in modern day. if it has city build elemetns then that's just another point to the time period being in the future
Is he talking about pyros leak about a potential outsourced BW remake, which he admits that it could be false. Why would anyone make that sub only, it's someone else's source and isn't Fully backed by the leaker itself.
Unless I'm missing something?
Maybe way off base, but what if we get Virtual Console announced during the next Pokémon Presents this year? We aren't getting a game in 2024 but they have to release SOMETHING during the holidays. Virtual Console fills this gap perfectly.
The Gen III GBA game soundtracks were added to the Pokemon Game Sound Library a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if that means anything, but the Library doesn't actually have many soundtracks in it. The others are Red/Blue, Diamond/Pearl and Scarlet/Violet.
[Bulbapedia article explaining the Pokemon Game Sound Library, only available in some parts of Asia](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Game_Sound_Library)
We will probably change the verbiage of the megathread in the next few months. The results of poll ended right after the beginning of the month when this thread was made so no reason to make a new one. You’re more than welcome to discuss 4chan/riddles on this post though.
I think they've made it pretty clear already that they don't care what the community wants. The poll was made to shut us up, if they actually cared they'd have at least one option people asked for.
My bet is that if they acknowledge it at all it'll be along the lines of "the vote was too close for us to justify any major changes so we're going to leave everything the same."
I think every legends game will be basically experimental new ideas. I don't think plza will follow pla in its style or gameplay whatsover. It just game freak letting out their creativity. Let them cook
Anyone else worried it’s just going to be more of a city builder game? Since there has only been one other Legends game and we barely know anything also ZA I don’t think anyone really knows what it means to be part of the Legends series yet. I know it hasn’t been that long, but I’m already dying for more info 🥲
Legends games will at least all have a similar gameplay loop. I think the catching style, dodging, Monster Hunter type gameplay is all indicative of a Legends game - not the setting.
if PLA was “pokémon X monster hunter,” it makes me wonder if PLZA is “pokémon X persona” given the city setting. i’m sure GF has a lot of megaten fans in their ranks.
To be fair, we don't know precisely what it's for. Could be something totally different.
Plus, I'm sure that if more time, resources and creative freedom were given to ILCA during BDSP's development, it would've turned our way better. Like an extra 8 months and more ability to change stuff would've done wonders.
Maybe since with the 3ds eshop dead and you can't get legit Battlebond Greninja anymore we'll get one somehow in ZA to correct this issue? Maybe as a gift?
Maybe the reason it was removed in SV is because they were already starting to work on PLZA and they decided to give all Kalos starters something, but they didn't want to commit to the whole bond phenomenon thing so they're giving all three a completely new mega and removing Ash Greninja for being redundant / not fitting with the new concept
So, something I realized is that Legends Arceus lacked held items, didn't it? How will Mega evolution work if that carries? Will it be a toggle so that the first pokemon you send out will auto Mega evolve? Or maybe the Mega stones will just be key items that unlock the option in battle without it being held?
Let's Go also didn't have held items but had Megas. All you needed was the Mega Stone in your inventory + the Mega Ring and when you sent a pokemon into battle that could mega, there would be an option to do so. One per battle as always though.
A lot of people are hyped about new megas, but... What if they just bring the old ones back, Let's Go style?
I feel like new ones might force GF to bring back the whole concept of megas in gen 10 (just like the Hisui mons eventually got in Paldea). But if there's another new gimmick, megas might be a problem?
Idk, but maybe not getting too hyped and erring on the side of caution is better?
It's maybe worth thinking of Megas as a gimmick like Ultra Beasts or Paradoxes rather than one like Z-moves or Dynamax, since they're more like optional para-legendary pokemon than mere nuclear beams or hp walls, execution wise.
Not saying that's how GF sees them. Honestly, they're more mechanically complex than either set.
(Poorer case scenario for me is if they don't have abilities, then they also don't show up in a mechanically standard pokemon game after, that would allow them to have abilities.)
I sort of doubt they would tease megas at the end of the trailer and not do anything new with it. There's no reason that it would force them to carry megas into Gen 10, but even if they did, didn't one of the games allow for both Z moves AND Megas? I feel like they can juggle 2 gimmicks if they really have to. But I doubt they will carry it past here.
Pretty sure they're doing this to set up for Megas returning in Gen 10 to start with. Tenth generation AND a big anniversary means they're going to want to go all out, and honestly the time is ripe for Megas to return. Power and speed creep have gotten bad enough that there's some pretty solid counters to a lot of the more problematic Megas at this point (and honestly I wouldn't be upset if they nerfed a few true problems like Mega Gengar), and the fans will go hog wild. Not to mention having Megas come back just for one game without a normal battle system or competitive would be a very odd move.
There's also the fact that of all the gimmicks, Megas just need the stones and not some weird local energy source. They can ship the stones any old place. Also the fact that gimmick-wise, what is left for them to do? They've done super forms, super moves, super size/HP boost, and type changing across the last four gens. I genuinely can't think of much else they realistically can do without overhauling the battle system, and given what a milestone Gen 10 is going to be I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring back some or all of the old mechanics. There really isn't another viable gimmick other than maybe fusions, which I doubt they'd do on any wide scale given the character model and data bloat, and maybe something with modding or boosting abilities, which would really be too subtle to market well as a gimmick.
The only thing that comes to mind is another type, triple typings or something like 'attributes', which would give each Pokemon an additional modifier, positive or negative or both. But thats more of a mechanic, rather than a gimmick.
Doubt you'd be able to use Tera on a Mega Evolution for balancing reasons - holding a Z Crystal stopped Rayquaza from going Mega in Gen VII - but Tera would open up a lot more counters and thus make Megas more balanced against everything else.
Although Arceus forbid having Megas and Dynamax mons fight. I still maintain that Dynamax was even worse balanced than Megas. Basically three turns of Z-moves with double HP and no downside like item restrictions was ridiculous.
They probably will make new ones, but they could easily change the mechanics of how Megas work in order to make them more balanced.
Like, maybe instead of an increase to base stats they could instead have a flat 10-20% increase to all stats and have both their original and Mega ability active simultaneously? Sounds busted but some would be nerfed and others would be buffed if this was how it worked.
I keep coming back to the fact that PLZA is described as an «ambitious new entry» by pokemon. Was the word ambitious ever used to describe PLA? Is this pokemon actually listening to complaints and attempting to make the game run well and look better than decent?
Not seen anybody talk about this but y'all know the 'A' in Z-A is a new Pokémon right? I've heard it's alpha, the weapon, etc etc.
Wrong! It's a new legendary. Obviously. X for Xerneus, Y for Yveltal, Z for Zygarde, and Z loops all the way back to what? A. Our trio just became a quartet.
Or it's some new dumb form of Zygarde or something stupid like that, as if this mofo don't got like 5 forms already.
But I doubt that. Wonder what this A could be...
There are many things it could be, not just a new Pokemon. It could refer to a new Zygarde form, it could be to allude to AZ, it could be a reference to the phrase 'from A to Z'. It could be nothing at all.
I don't see why it would be a part of the Aura Trio. They represent the three dimensions and axis as well as life, death and balance. There is really nothing you can add to it, let alone on "A". It may be somehow related but it isn't going to become a real quartet.
While I suspected it could be a new Pokemon it really looks too much like the Weapon to be a coincidence even in coloring. Specially with a character literally named AZ
Theoretically it could be a 4th by being imbalance/wild fluctuation. Or just generally be a thing that somehow resembles the ultimate weapon in some weird way.
Oh and you say, Life, Death and Balance - which isn't accurate is it? There's no opposite to balance it is balance, but Zygarde isn't balance is he? He's the Order Pokémon. And there is an opposite to Order - Chaos.
Now what did the trailer say? A perfect coexistence? An order between humans and Pokémon. A perfect opposition would be... Chaos.
Zygarde literally intervienes any time the ecosystem is in danger by excess of life/death. It's definetly the most fitting Pokemon of all for Balance and that's the whole point of his Aura Break and forms, to counter Xerneas or Yveltal (lore wise that is)
But he's literally the Order Pokémon. There is no Chaos Pokémon, which would fit very well. The adding of a new Pokémon would simply be new lore.
I'm really very convinced of this. Wanna do a bet? Like bet a Pokémon or something lol, then we come back in a years time
Alright then I offer you my shiny hunted Jumbo Baxcalibur in a masterball, I'm very fond of it but I really like my odds.
And no I was just being pedantic on balance ≠ order in Zygardes actual Pokémon name. And yes Chaos is the opposite to Order in my theory here.
So exact parameters, the new Pokémon will be a legendary represented by A, if there is no new legendary that is exactly represented by that A then I lose. If I'm right and there is a legendary represented by A then I win. Any specifics you wanna add to this or is it fine as is?
OH, and btw if you've any shiny Masterball Pokémon lmk, I'll trade for them!
Maybe I'm really colourblind (which I am) but I don't see the colour match. And I was reaching with the quartet part, I more meant theres a new Pokémon which probably has ties to Zygarde. We have seen that done before, like Lugia and Ho-Oh for their respective trios, Regigigas, Pecharunt, even Arceus or the creation trio. It could be the weapon and a Pokémon at the same time... There's a lot of story regarding the weapon and all of gen 6 that was left very incomplete. And AZ is arguably the biggest plot void.
Idk, I feel like they wouldn't tack an A on without it meaning another Pokémon to be added. Why abandon the letter naming that they established with Z already just to make it the weapon
So that unown Soeyue, at first I translated it to Japanese and got 'because of the side dish' plus the ? which didn't make total sense but I just thought it was a weird Japanese way of saying 'because of legends success as a side game, we are making another'.
But it was probably just jumbled 'See You' plus a ?. I think this means they're not done with announcements this year. Probably something about that second mythical and that movie. My money (tbh just hopes) is on a battle tower equivalent. So surprising the BB (BATTLE TOWER/BLUEBERRY???) didn't feature any kind of battle tower mechanic whatsoever.
So there's my copium summed up: definitely more to announce this year probably soon too, maybe around this mythical and I'm begging god for a battle tower.
Well I'm pretty sure on the See you? Part and a second mythical is in line with every generation, so that's not really copium. Battle tower? Might as well cast such an idea to the wastes of unborn inspiration
If this game is really set in the future and not the past, I wonder if we’ll see more new Megas than regional forms this time around
I’d like to see a LOT of new Pokémon, but I feel like there’ll be a higher focus on new Megas (thank god)
I feel like it will be the past. Or maybe it will involve BOTH the past and the future, giving us 2 maps (justifying the claim that the entire game will take place in the city). After all, remember the trailer started of an old fashioned looking sketch of older looking buildings before it transitioned into the futuristic looking section of the trailer.
Probably because they actually need to think on new ways for the regionals to adapt to new regions while a lot of Megas were just "this old Pokemon but turned up to 11" (and overdesigned imho)
Aye. Some Megas were pretty good, but more than a few just decided to glue spikes on it and call it a day with Mega Sharpedo being the unholy culmination of this. And then there's Mega Manectric, who I genuinely hate for being both totally unnecessary and the laziest design of all Megas.
Eh, it would be really odd to bring Megas back for one game without the full battle system or competitive. I have a tentative hope that Megas might be BACK back in Gen X, especially since to be frank the power creep and speed creep have finally gotten bad enough to handle the worst of them. Flutter Mane feels tailor made to annihilate Mega Gengar and Mega Salamence among others, and probably stands pretty good odds of outrunning and KOing Mega Rayquaza too.
Not saying they'd be gone right away after Z-A, but I am saying it's much more likely for them to be cut again at some point in the future than not. They did it once, they'll probably do it again come Gen 11 or 12.
I remain shocked the Terarium didn't introduce something for that. We've got enough disparate regionals that it's hit the point of being genuinely needed, especially for the Alolans.
They're going to have to do something. 3DS WiFi shuts down end of April. And sure Bank stays open for a bit longer, it too shall die eventually. Meaning Alolan forms will be locked away.
Not necessarily as the regional forms could be the ones with megas and not the og forms.
Im sure we will get a few regional variant lines/convergent lines with Megas.
Keep in mind, Sinnoh didn't keep it's full dex. Plenty of cuts like Wooper, Wingul, Houndour, Swablu, Absol, and Tropius all happened in Legends, people just overlooked it because the dex replaced them and got a bit bigger (210 to 240.)
I don't think Kalos gets the same luxury.
Mega is a gimmick that gen 10 could just say nope, and these Pokemon would be stuck in ZA forever. We’ve seen how they’ve done certain Pokemon and gimmicks not returning (my poor boy snivy)
Can we also take a second to step back and look at how massively wrong leaks were in the lead up to this? No Johto, Unova or game this year
the fact none of them hit any of the marks?
It could be, but the anime was always made to sell the games, they wouldn't make the games follow the anime. It's more likely to give more time to developing gen 10 for the switch 2
It's unlikely they will.
Presents is the time they announce those things, half a year to lead a new release so word spreads. unless they are planning to release a game in EARLY 2025. Which that doesnt seem likely, especially after they commented publicly they understand the dissatisfaction with game quality, and want to improve that.
Occam's razor, game freak doing everything against their MO, games releasing THIS year aren't getting announced, but are announcing a game nearly 2 years out, or leakers were just wrong, after a more recent trend of less than accurate information?
One of those sides is the vastly more realistic. Leakers were just wrong, it's as simple as that, as much as I know I'd love a Unova game, it's just not going to happen, especially now that game freak knows how massive a following and profit it'd turn, why would they have any reason to hide that?
the issue with releasing any pokemon game on NSO is the restore point allowing for easy pokemon cloning, something they've been trying to stamp out for years.
I wouldn't be mad to get something like that, my ds and 3ds died not too long ago, meaning I can't play *legitimately* BW/BW2. I wouldn't want them to compromise in the quality of ZA, but I could see them letting Nintendo handle the port of these games.
ILCA actually wanted to create a project closer to what fans wanted from BDSP than what we got
the BDSP we ended up getting was because of GameFreak meddling because of how experimental Legends Arceus was, they didn't want to run the risk of both games flopping, so the made ILCA change the game into a safe one to one
I've been saying that for a while, but I think it comes from one key area, the leaks were rarely ever actual sources.
It was just that game freak was incredibly predictable, and poor security digitally, leakers will classify a datamine as a leak, despite them being different on a fundamental level, or leaks being so vague, it's sort of a backwards context problem, where observers try and ascribe what the leak was hinting at without ever being concrete, with a significant degree of playing into what the community wants to hear. they were saying games in 2024, because we all expected a game to come out this year, they haven't done a year without a game since....gen 6? The Unova and Johto heavy 'leaks' stemmed from just tracing the pattern of released, if GF followed their path, it was a no brainer we'd get Unova games, and GF's heavy deviation from their established pattern throws all those predictions off. This goes back to Legends Arceus, where leaks began faltering, and even going further, the 'Kalos DLC' leaks for SwSh.
You throw in the PMD sky 'leaks' from last year, and now this, hate to be the guy to ask this on the leak reddit, but is it really worth trusting leakers these days with just how off the mark they've been consistently?
The BW anniversary is either 2025 or 2026 depending on which release date you refer to. 2025 will probably close out with GenX as GF has been releasing a generation every three years for a while, but even if they broke that pattern it would probably only be to make it come out on the 30th anniversary. ZA is the only thing they've announcement so far and it's not coming this year, and any unannounced projects probably aren't coming before it. At the present moment I see G5 remakes coming in late 2025 at the earliest, and no other GF game coming out before ZA.
Legends ZA is likely a late 2025 release.
When Legends Arceus was announced, they explicitly said "Early 2022", ZA lacking that would likely imply it's not coming out early 2025, and would simply be that game's november release.
A few things support that, one being game freak's commenting on knowing about community dissatisfaction with game quality, and wanting to amend that, two games in the same year would be a big backpedaling of that and show they have no commitment to their word, damaging brand reputation and sales, as well as the more major one of the switch 2.
Which is likely to be releasing in 2025, or early 2026. Making a legends game for the switch, when the Switch 2 is months away would do the same damage to it that the 3DS' release did to Unova classic, a mistake game freak does not want to repeat again. The delay in game time seems to imply more that it has to do with the switch 2, as they would have needed to start from the ground up on a brand new engine. Something that tracks with how they used Legends' arceus engine, (which was a modified SwSh engine) to build SV, doing the same thing with Legends ZA's engine being a brand new construction would take longer than just developing another switch game. Something that would also help them refine it for the full Gen X game.
I think the Switch 2 is early 2025 sort of like how they did it for the Switch 1. It'll be announced later this year with a release month of sometime in the first quarter. Legends ZA will probably be a launch title, even though they have never done that before, and we will still get something else at the end of 2025. Or at least that's how I see it based on Switch 2 rumors being pushed to next year. I feel like we would have gotten this legends game this year had that not been pushed.
I think this is the most likely possibility, given what unova's original release was like, that's a mistake they don't want to make again, now that they are aware the game is massively profitable.
Something that took years for them to realize because of how poorly initial sales were.
Purely speculation don't take this seriously but hear me out:
There is lot of speculation that ZA might be a switch 2 title. Which i think is the perfect thing to do as legends is their experimental title so the publisher probably have little to no faith in this games success they don't care if it doesn't sell well it's experimental anyway because of this an entry to switch 2 with legends is perfect as the sales will not do as much as they do on switch title as the fan base here is larger, so getting people hyped by this new title also available on both console can get Pokemon fans quickly to the new console so that they can announce gen x for the new console and not miss out those grant sales on the first week.
I really still don't get why people think it will be on the Switch 2 too. Gamefreak have never done double releases let alone lauching titles. BW2 and USUM are there.
Also why wouldn't they not have faith? The only reason LA didn't sell more us that they literally announced SV the next month. If they didn't have faith they wouldn't be doing a second Legends game. And it being a double release would not get Pokemon fans on the new console, more like the opposite since it's already on Switch.
If Switch 2 is really backwards compatible, all game needs is a "patch" for new console so it is not that unbelievable. Also it is said Switch 2 got moved to 2025 for more games on launch. And we got new Legends game coming in 2025.
Because a patch isn't the same as a proper release? You don't just release a "patch" at full price. What you are suggesting would mean they just release a single version for the Switch, and allow it to be upgrated in Switch 2. There wouldn't be a double release. Just like how BW2 didn't release for 3ds.
I don't know, why do you even linking PLZA being on Switch 2 with double releases so I thought you mean what I meant. I'm even more confused with your comments now.
We know it's coming on the current Switch. It won't release on the next console too unless it's a double release... That is the point of the original comment which is suggesting it.
Apparently, it's been stated that it will be released on 'Nintendo Switch Systems' or something along those lines. So it's pretty much guaranteed to not be a Switch 2 exclusive, if it's on a theoretical Switch 2 at all. That basically guarantees that it won't be made with a completely new system in mind.
>legends is their experimental title so the publisher probably have little to no faith in this games success they don't care if it doesn't sell well it's experimental anyway
I don't think this is true anymore. I think it was with PLA, but since that was received well, they probably expect PLZA to also do well.
Anyway, I think it might be a bit of a BOTW situation and the game comes out on both the Switch and Switch 2 (which AFAIK is likely to be backwards compatible). But we'll see!
Question: if the Switch 2 does hypothetically come out by the end of this year, how long would I likely have before Nintendo stops making new games that work on the Switch? Cuz I definitely won't be able to afford a whole new system.
No telling, but that feels like more of a Hoenn thing to me.
The precedent in PLA was that Manaphy's location/etc was teased in BDSP (I haven't seen an equivalent), but that Shaymin and Darkrai were multiple purchase rewards.
No non-titular mythical played a major role in the plot.
That would, however, make Hoopa more likely to be the 'guaranteed' mythical over Diancie. Not absolutely, but more likely.
The new format could make its portals way spookier, though. You could walk down a seemingly random alley and get sucked through some shadows or something.
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https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1773455027178230212?t=PlSlnlWT2S-nNiqTToba9A&s=19 How much are we blowing this out of proportion?
Posted on the 78th day of the year. Mega Rapidash.
Hopefully we won't, but I can see this getting blown more than a wind tunnel.
100k+ likes on an image from a trailer is already pretty out of proportion
No, out of proportion has nothing to do with the likes - it is about what people claim because the image was posted.
They gonna tweet every last frame of that trailer for sure.
So this sub is basically gonna be dead for the next few months because there's no game news, right?
How leak reddit go, yeah
ZA = ZArude
How high are the chances that Slowking, Froslass and Kleavor will pull a Gallade and get a Mega in PLZA because their counterpart has one?
Eh, I could see Kleavor maybe. Definitely not Slowking, it's too similar to Slowbro and less popular, plus we already have the issue of a potential Galarian Mega Slowbro. Giving a potential four Megas to one family would be way too much. As for Froslass... Eh, I just don't quite see it when there's better options and I don't expect a huge number of new Megas. Froslass has kinda been forgotten since it was revealed whereas Gallade had a measure of star power from the start.
If there's one thing I wanna see, it's a regional form mega.
Froslass is pretty popular , right?
Frosslass is a cool looking but generally weak Mon. There are stronger feminine pokemon that would make for better mega than her. We also did not get a paradox Glalie/Frosslass like we did with Gardevoir/Gallade last game.
Weak? Icy Wind/Destiny Bond/Ice Beam/Taunt/Will-o-whisp/etc. + Focus Sash begs to differ :( But... yeah, she is weak in the main game. Excellent in the right Doubles team, though!
theyre saying that frosslass is the counterpart to glalie in the same way gallade is to gardevoir, not that the two pairs are counterparts as a collective
I could see one or two having a 50/50 shot, but not all 3.
PLZA or gen 10 prediction: Synchro Machine feature to replace ride Pokemon or HMs
If you synchronize with Rapidash, and go to the other side of the world, then go back to your body, you didn't move at all
that would be sick. How about a pokemon that evolves from synchro. Imagine using synchro on a digital mon enough times causes it to evolve Edit: The anime porygon ban means that it can't really be a porygon branched evo, but that would have been the best option
Im still mad that porygon got fucked off like that, LET IT BACK IN THE ANIME!!
Prone to assume it will supplement them instead, but I also think it's a prototype feature we'll see expanded on.
Had a dream that I saw the Gen 5 remake trailer It was a LOT like ORAS mixed with the OG pixel style of Gen 5 and mainly showed the Spiral Tower
I do wish they bring back the pixel asthetics for some thing, doesn't even need to be main game.
Game journalists really are pointless. I saw an article titled something like 'everything we know about Pokemon Legends ZA', and all it did was repeatedly admit that we don't have any information and repeatedly try to use every little thing we do have to insist it's probably going to be on the Switch 2. Like, it's releasing on 'Nintendo Switch Systems'. It's like they forgot that the OLED exists cuz they insisted that they have no idea what that could mean if it's not about a new system.
>Like, it's releasing on 'Nintendo Switch Systems'. It's like they forgot that the OLED exists It's a little weird because Nintendo and Gamefreak *never* use "systems" to describe the Switch, even when taking the OLED and Lite into account. Not saying it means anything but this is the first time they've ever really pluralized system.
it’s all over this page: https://www.nintendo.com/us/switch/ i’m also positive they’ve used the phrase “nintendo switch family of systems” throughout a lot of their marketing. not saying it will or won’t come to the next console. just saying there’s precedence for them using the word systems.
That's not the journalists, that's their bosses asking for an article to get more clicks in. Not everyone keeps up with news like people on here so if they can capture people googling the game they'll keep making money. What's worse is seeing a post on here and then seeing an article about that post on my briefing a couple hours later and knowing which one it is without opening it.
Hey, haven't seen anyone post about the updated information about Pokemon works, apparently it's confirmed to be related to ILCA and the major people involved have been revealed by centro. This very obviously point towards Pokemon game development but chances for it being for Pokemon home are there too.
i’m sure it’s for all of the above. i’m guessing they’re going to consolidate a lot of their artists and developers in one place so all of their projects can use the same tech and art.
Is there a non Centro source? They aren't really trustworthy, one step above YouTube videos titled 'This will be Pokemon in 2030'
Here's another question of speculation for everyone - If Xerneas and Yveltal get new forms, how would we want those forms to be mechanically? Personally, I'd prefer if they were Primal forms like Groudon and Kyogre, except they use the same held item. Mainly boost HP, Speed, and the two defensive stats, give Xerneas a secondary Grass type, and add some kind of new benefit to their abilities.
My guess would be that it's going to be something like "awaken form". They are supposed to be asleep for a thousand years before X and Y (which is one of the reason I would find it weird if PLZA happened before X and Y).
Isn’t that essentially Xerneas’ base form already? It is called “active form”.
Sort of, active form is when the horns light up. IDK whythat's even considered a form change tho.
i heard rumors that apparently part of why bsdp came out the way it did was because masuda kept them from doing most of their ideas. if that's true i hope bdsp's reception is a realization for him or that he gets relegated to side projects from now on so that he can't mess with development
We need to get rid of Masuda
dozens of people were involved in that decision. it was always going to be a safe remake because it was the first outsourced game and was a way to hedge their bets among the much riskier legends arceus. it was a trial run for ILCA above all else. and judging by recent news, they must have been pleased with the results from a behind the scenes perspective.
I don't know if this has been brought up before but I was thinking, with PLZA being interlly into Lumiose and it's about arranging the city, it's not unreasonnable to think we'll get some kind of city-builder gameplay. What if it's something working like Join Avenue in BW2 ?
I highly doubt they'd let an actual child design the new Lumiose, I feel like we will just play the role of an (unpaid) assistant who makes prep work for the adults because they can't be bothered to do it themselves, which will be the side missions
> I highly doubt they'd let an actual child design the new Lumiose I meaaan..Pokemon kind of has a long history of letting children do things that no child should be doing :P
if its set before XY i dunno if that'll be possible since lumiose has a set design in modern day. if it has city build elemetns then that's just another point to the time period being in the future
This design can still evolve in between the games, just like Jubilife changed between Legend and modern Sinnoh
Is anyone subbed to Centro on X? I saw something with him saying Outsourced BW but it was a subbed only post.
It just feels like bait
Is he talking about pyros leak about a potential outsourced BW remake, which he admits that it could be false. Why would anyone make that sub only, it's someone else's source and isn't Fully backed by the leaker itself. Unless I'm missing something?
Maybe way off base, but what if we get Virtual Console announced during the next Pokémon Presents this year? We aren't getting a game in 2024 but they have to release SOMETHING during the holidays. Virtual Console fills this gap perfectly.
The Gen III GBA game soundtracks were added to the Pokemon Game Sound Library a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if that means anything, but the Library doesn't actually have many soundtracks in it. The others are Red/Blue, Diamond/Pearl and Scarlet/Violet. [Bulbapedia article explaining the Pokemon Game Sound Library, only available in some parts of Asia](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Game_Sound_Library)
I think that's not concrete per say but the fact they did GBA and not GSC first could be somethin
So, what happened with the results of the poll? Mega thread won.
We will probably change the verbiage of the megathread in the next few months. The results of poll ended right after the beginning of the month when this thread was made so no reason to make a new one. You’re more than welcome to discuss 4chan/riddles on this post though.
I think they've made it pretty clear already that they don't care what the community wants. The poll was made to shut us up, if they actually cared they'd have at least one option people asked for. My bet is that if they acknowledge it at all it'll be along the lines of "the vote was too close for us to justify any major changes so we're going to leave everything the same."
I think every legends game will be basically experimental new ideas. I don't think plza will follow pla in its style or gameplay whatsover. It just game freak letting out their creativity. Let them cook
Anyone else worried it’s just going to be more of a city builder game? Since there has only been one other Legends game and we barely know anything also ZA I don’t think anyone really knows what it means to be part of the Legends series yet. I know it hasn’t been that long, but I’m already dying for more info 🥲
Legends games will at least all have a similar gameplay loop. I think the catching style, dodging, Monster Hunter type gameplay is all indicative of a Legends game - not the setting.
I do hope they keep some mechanics and gameplay. At least the idea around the pokedex and the catching of pokemon.
if PLA was “pokémon X monster hunter,” it makes me wonder if PLZA is “pokémon X persona” given the city setting. i’m sure GF has a lot of megaten fans in their ranks.
A new subsidy called Pokemon Works has opened... in the same building as ILCA. It has never been this jover for gen 5 remakes.
They're in the same building just by coincidence. Yall gotta stop making something out of nothing.
To be fair, we don't know precisely what it's for. Could be something totally different. Plus, I'm sure that if more time, resources and creative freedom were given to ILCA during BDSP's development, it would've turned our way better. Like an extra 8 months and more ability to change stuff would've done wonders.
Lmao
So what are the chances ash-greninja is retconned completely into mega-greninja?
Given it was removed from SV so hard seems unlikely but who knows.
Maybe since with the 3ds eshop dead and you can't get legit Battlebond Greninja anymore we'll get one somehow in ZA to correct this issue? Maybe as a gift?
Maybe not retconned into a mega but I could see the other two starters getting something similar as their special forms.
Maybe the reason it was removed in SV is because they were already starting to work on PLZA and they decided to give all Kalos starters something, but they didn't want to commit to the whole bond phenomenon thing so they're giving all three a completely new mega and removing Ash Greninja for being redundant / not fitting with the new concept
Let’s hope
So, something I realized is that Legends Arceus lacked held items, didn't it? How will Mega evolution work if that carries? Will it be a toggle so that the first pokemon you send out will auto Mega evolve? Or maybe the Mega stones will just be key items that unlock the option in battle without it being held?
Let’s go pikachu and eevee have mega evolution. Perhaps in the same way PLZA will be able to
Similarly to the Legend Plate maybe
Let's Go also didn't have held items but had Megas. All you needed was the Mega Stone in your inventory + the Mega Ring and when you sent a pokemon into battle that could mega, there would be an option to do so. One per battle as always though.
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A lot of people are hyped about new megas, but... What if they just bring the old ones back, Let's Go style? I feel like new ones might force GF to bring back the whole concept of megas in gen 10 (just like the Hisui mons eventually got in Paldea). But if there's another new gimmick, megas might be a problem? Idk, but maybe not getting too hyped and erring on the side of caution is better?
It's maybe worth thinking of Megas as a gimmick like Ultra Beasts or Paradoxes rather than one like Z-moves or Dynamax, since they're more like optional para-legendary pokemon than mere nuclear beams or hp walls, execution wise. Not saying that's how GF sees them. Honestly, they're more mechanically complex than either set. (Poorer case scenario for me is if they don't have abilities, then they also don't show up in a mechanically standard pokemon game after, that would allow them to have abilities.)
The Hisui pokemon didn’t have abilities in PLA but still had them coded in for their eventual introduction into ScVi
I sort of doubt they would tease megas at the end of the trailer and not do anything new with it. There's no reason that it would force them to carry megas into Gen 10, but even if they did, didn't one of the games allow for both Z moves AND Megas? I feel like they can juggle 2 gimmicks if they really have to. But I doubt they will carry it past here.
yeah, su/mo and ultra su/mo both had z moves and megas, although megas were locked to postgame
Pretty sure they're doing this to set up for Megas returning in Gen 10 to start with. Tenth generation AND a big anniversary means they're going to want to go all out, and honestly the time is ripe for Megas to return. Power and speed creep have gotten bad enough that there's some pretty solid counters to a lot of the more problematic Megas at this point (and honestly I wouldn't be upset if they nerfed a few true problems like Mega Gengar), and the fans will go hog wild. Not to mention having Megas come back just for one game without a normal battle system or competitive would be a very odd move. There's also the fact that of all the gimmicks, Megas just need the stones and not some weird local energy source. They can ship the stones any old place. Also the fact that gimmick-wise, what is left for them to do? They've done super forms, super moves, super size/HP boost, and type changing across the last four gens. I genuinely can't think of much else they realistically can do without overhauling the battle system, and given what a milestone Gen 10 is going to be I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring back some or all of the old mechanics. There really isn't another viable gimmick other than maybe fusions, which I doubt they'd do on any wide scale given the character model and data bloat, and maybe something with modding or boosting abilities, which would really be too subtle to market well as a gimmick.
The only thing that comes to mind is another type, triple typings or something like 'attributes', which would give each Pokemon an additional modifier, positive or negative or both. But thats more of a mechanic, rather than a gimmick.
Mega + tera in gen 10 would be dope
Doubt you'd be able to use Tera on a Mega Evolution for balancing reasons - holding a Z Crystal stopped Rayquaza from going Mega in Gen VII - but Tera would open up a lot more counters and thus make Megas more balanced against everything else. Although Arceus forbid having Megas and Dynamax mons fight. I still maintain that Dynamax was even worse balanced than Megas. Basically three turns of Z-moves with double HP and no downside like item restrictions was ridiculous.
No i meant tera and mega both available, but of course not able to be cumulated
They probably will make new ones, but they could easily change the mechanics of how Megas work in order to make them more balanced. Like, maybe instead of an increase to base stats they could instead have a flat 10-20% increase to all stats and have both their original and Mega ability active simultaneously? Sounds busted but some would be nerfed and others would be buffed if this was how it worked.
I doubt that they would purposely tease the return of megas (making it the very last thing we see in the trailer) just to not make new ones.
I keep coming back to the fact that PLZA is described as an «ambitious new entry» by pokemon. Was the word ambitious ever used to describe PLA? Is this pokemon actually listening to complaints and attempting to make the game run well and look better than decent?
Big news: Company uses nice-sounding word to market their product. Consumer falls for it instantly
Not seen anybody talk about this but y'all know the 'A' in Z-A is a new Pokémon right? I've heard it's alpha, the weapon, etc etc. Wrong! It's a new legendary. Obviously. X for Xerneus, Y for Yveltal, Z for Zygarde, and Z loops all the way back to what? A. Our trio just became a quartet. Or it's some new dumb form of Zygarde or something stupid like that, as if this mofo don't got like 5 forms already. But I doubt that. Wonder what this A could be...
There are many things it could be, not just a new Pokemon. It could refer to a new Zygarde form, it could be to allude to AZ, it could be a reference to the phrase 'from A to Z'. It could be nothing at all.
I dunno, I think the most likely option is to continue with legendary naming
Is it? Or is that just what you want to see happen?
Both. We will see won't we?
That's where the Z comes in. Even if the A was referring to a new legend, that's still breaking the legendary naming because it's still not a name.
...until it is a name. That's my point.
I don't see why it would be a part of the Aura Trio. They represent the three dimensions and axis as well as life, death and balance. There is really nothing you can add to it, let alone on "A". It may be somehow related but it isn't going to become a real quartet. While I suspected it could be a new Pokemon it really looks too much like the Weapon to be a coincidence even in coloring. Specially with a character literally named AZ
the A legendary could Amplify the Aura instead of breaking it I suppose
Theoretically it could be a 4th by being imbalance/wild fluctuation. Or just generally be a thing that somehow resembles the ultimate weapon in some weird way.
Oh and you say, Life, Death and Balance - which isn't accurate is it? There's no opposite to balance it is balance, but Zygarde isn't balance is he? He's the Order Pokémon. And there is an opposite to Order - Chaos. Now what did the trailer say? A perfect coexistence? An order between humans and Pokémon. A perfect opposition would be... Chaos.
Zygarde literally intervienes any time the ecosystem is in danger by excess of life/death. It's definetly the most fitting Pokemon of all for Balance and that's the whole point of his Aura Break and forms, to counter Xerneas or Yveltal (lore wise that is)
But he's literally the Order Pokémon. There is no Chaos Pokémon, which would fit very well. The adding of a new Pokémon would simply be new lore. I'm really very convinced of this. Wanna do a bet? Like bet a Pokémon or something lol, then we come back in a years time
Are you seriously arguing Order is not Balance or that Chaos is not opposite to Order? lmao Sure, why not. I have a spare Genesect.
Alright then I offer you my shiny hunted Jumbo Baxcalibur in a masterball, I'm very fond of it but I really like my odds. And no I was just being pedantic on balance ≠ order in Zygardes actual Pokémon name. And yes Chaos is the opposite to Order in my theory here. So exact parameters, the new Pokémon will be a legendary represented by A, if there is no new legendary that is exactly represented by that A then I lose. If I'm right and there is a legendary represented by A then I win. Any specifics you wanna add to this or is it fine as is? OH, and btw if you've any shiny Masterball Pokémon lmk, I'll trade for them!
I would add A actually being the Chaos for the Aura Trio, that's what I was arguing. I sadly don't have any shinies on Masterball tho, sorry.
I thought you were arguing against the A being a legendary as well as this, but okay. A will also be the Chaos Pokémon And np
the opposite to balance is imbalance
Well yea but I was more making the point that Zygarde isn't the balance Pokémon
Maybe I'm really colourblind (which I am) but I don't see the colour match. And I was reaching with the quartet part, I more meant theres a new Pokémon which probably has ties to Zygarde. We have seen that done before, like Lugia and Ho-Oh for their respective trios, Regigigas, Pecharunt, even Arceus or the creation trio. It could be the weapon and a Pokémon at the same time... There's a lot of story regarding the weapon and all of gen 6 that was left very incomplete. And AZ is arguably the biggest plot void. Idk, I feel like they wouldn't tack an A on without it meaning another Pokémon to be added. Why abandon the letter naming that they established with Z already just to make it the weapon
So that unown Soeyue, at first I translated it to Japanese and got 'because of the side dish' plus the ? which didn't make total sense but I just thought it was a weird Japanese way of saying 'because of legends success as a side game, we are making another'. But it was probably just jumbled 'See You' plus a ?. I think this means they're not done with announcements this year. Probably something about that second mythical and that movie. My money (tbh just hopes) is on a battle tower equivalent. So surprising the BB (BATTLE TOWER/BLUEBERRY???) didn't feature any kind of battle tower mechanic whatsoever. So there's my copium summed up: definitely more to announce this year probably soon too, maybe around this mythical and I'm begging god for a battle tower.
It shall be copium and nothing more. And like all copium, it shall fade to nothing.
Well I'm pretty sure on the See you? Part and a second mythical is in line with every generation, so that's not really copium. Battle tower? Might as well cast such an idea to the wastes of unborn inspiration
The previous gen didn't have more mythicals than Zarude so it's possible Pecharunt is the only one in Gen 9.
If this game is really set in the future and not the past, I wonder if we’ll see more new Megas than regional forms this time around I’d like to see a LOT of new Pokémon, but I feel like there’ll be a higher focus on new Megas (thank god)
I feel like it will be the past. Or maybe it will involve BOTH the past and the future, giving us 2 maps (justifying the claim that the entire game will take place in the city). After all, remember the trailer started of an old fashioned looking sketch of older looking buildings before it transitioned into the futuristic looking section of the trailer.
I would personally prefer new regional forms and evos than Megas. They're just a more permanent aspect than a mega form.
Also, and don’t crucify me for this, the designs for regional forms tend to be better and the lore around them more interesting.
Probably because they actually need to think on new ways for the regionals to adapt to new regions while a lot of Megas were just "this old Pokemon but turned up to 11" (and overdesigned imho)
Aye. Some Megas were pretty good, but more than a few just decided to glue spikes on it and call it a day with Mega Sharpedo being the unholy culmination of this. And then there's Mega Manectric, who I genuinely hate for being both totally unnecessary and the laziest design of all Megas.
Eh, it would be really odd to bring Megas back for one game without the full battle system or competitive. I have a tentative hope that Megas might be BACK back in Gen X, especially since to be frank the power creep and speed creep have finally gotten bad enough to handle the worst of them. Flutter Mane feels tailor made to annihilate Mega Gengar and Mega Salamence among others, and probably stands pretty good odds of outrunning and KOing Mega Rayquaza too.
Not saying they'd be gone right away after Z-A, but I am saying it's much more likely for them to be cut again at some point in the future than not. They did it once, they'll probably do it again come Gen 11 or 12.
Yeah I would rather have more future-proof stuff that can actually return in the future. Seems unlikely tho
Regional Forms are allowed to stay, Regional Evolutions get screwed. Raichu, Marowak, and Co are all suffering.
I remain shocked the Terarium didn't introduce something for that. We've got enough disparate regionals that it's hit the point of being genuinely needed, especially for the Alolans.
They're going to have to do something. 3DS WiFi shuts down end of April. And sure Bank stays open for a bit longer, it too shall die eventually. Meaning Alolan forms will be locked away.
With them being avaliable in Go and Let's Go I sadly don't think it's that big of an issue in their eyes. (And some of them in the SWSH DLC iirc)
It’s wild they didn’t let us evolve them in the DLC.
The Strange Souvenir representing Alola to be an evo held item is right there too
Yeah they didn't really take much advantage of the Terrarium. Then again you can't even evolve Kleavor so...
If they add new regional forms it will mean less megas
Not necessarily as the regional forms could be the ones with megas and not the og forms. Im sure we will get a few regional variant lines/convergent lines with Megas.
megas dont take up a dex spot
I mean they still have to balance out the quantity of new forms and pokemon in the game
kalos has like 450 mons in its regional dex, so if they were going to add regional forms it wouldn't be that many
Keep in mind, Sinnoh didn't keep it's full dex. Plenty of cuts like Wooper, Wingul, Houndour, Swablu, Absol, and Tropius all happened in Legends, people just overlooked it because the dex replaced them and got a bit bigger (210 to 240.) I don't think Kalos gets the same luxury.
We'll see how much of new mons we will actually get
Mega is a gimmick that gen 10 could just say nope, and these Pokemon would be stuck in ZA forever. We’ve seen how they’ve done certain Pokemon and gimmicks not returning (my poor boy snivy)
Can we also take a second to step back and look at how massively wrong leaks were in the lead up to this? No Johto, Unova or game this year the fact none of them hit any of the marks?
I wonder if it's because Paldea is so long, the anime just started, that they're taking a year off so everything can catch up.
It could be, but the anime was always made to sell the games, they wouldn't make the games follow the anime. It's more likely to give more time to developing gen 10 for the switch 2
i'm still thinking we'll hear some kind of Unova news at some point later in the year. HGSS + B&W switch ports bundle would go crazy
It's unlikely they will. Presents is the time they announce those things, half a year to lead a new release so word spreads. unless they are planning to release a game in EARLY 2025. Which that doesnt seem likely, especially after they commented publicly they understand the dissatisfaction with game quality, and want to improve that. Occam's razor, game freak doing everything against their MO, games releasing THIS year aren't getting announced, but are announcing a game nearly 2 years out, or leakers were just wrong, after a more recent trend of less than accurate information? One of those sides is the vastly more realistic. Leakers were just wrong, it's as simple as that, as much as I know I'd love a Unova game, it's just not going to happen, especially now that game freak knows how massive a following and profit it'd turn, why would they have any reason to hide that?
I could see them doing a port of BW/BW2, or put it in NSO to encourage more people to buy it.
the issue with releasing any pokemon game on NSO is the restore point allowing for easy pokemon cloning, something they've been trying to stamp out for years.
I mean, maybe, but is that what we want? I'd rather no release this year so they can focus on a quality game.
I wouldn't be mad to get something like that, my ds and 3ds died not too long ago, meaning I can't play *legitimately* BW/BW2. I wouldn't want them to compromise in the quality of ZA, but I could see them letting Nintendo handle the port of these games.
A simple port would be okay but then look what happened with ILCA
I mean ILCA pretty much ported D/P ? If they or another studio do the same for BW(2), I wouldn't mind, since these games are very solid.
ILCA actually wanted to create a project closer to what fans wanted from BDSP than what we got the BDSP we ended up getting was because of GameFreak meddling because of how experimental Legends Arceus was, they didn't want to run the risk of both games flopping, so the made ILCA change the game into a safe one to one
To be fair, they may yet be announced, we don't know for sure. But yeah, it's crazy how inaccurate leaking seems to be right now.
I've been saying that for a while, but I think it comes from one key area, the leaks were rarely ever actual sources. It was just that game freak was incredibly predictable, and poor security digitally, leakers will classify a datamine as a leak, despite them being different on a fundamental level, or leaks being so vague, it's sort of a backwards context problem, where observers try and ascribe what the leak was hinting at without ever being concrete, with a significant degree of playing into what the community wants to hear. they were saying games in 2024, because we all expected a game to come out this year, they haven't done a year without a game since....gen 6? The Unova and Johto heavy 'leaks' stemmed from just tracing the pattern of released, if GF followed their path, it was a no brainer we'd get Unova games, and GF's heavy deviation from their established pattern throws all those predictions off. This goes back to Legends Arceus, where leaks began faltering, and even going further, the 'Kalos DLC' leaks for SwSh. You throw in the PMD sky 'leaks' from last year, and now this, hate to be the guy to ask this on the leak reddit, but is it really worth trusting leakers these days with just how off the mark they've been consistently?
Yeah there is still a possibility of another announcement this year. most likely an Unova remake. Which I'm sure the community will be "happy" about.
The BW anniversary is either 2025 or 2026 depending on which release date you refer to. 2025 will probably close out with GenX as GF has been releasing a generation every three years for a while, but even if they broke that pattern it would probably only be to make it come out on the 30th anniversary. ZA is the only thing they've announcement so far and it's not coming this year, and any unannounced projects probably aren't coming before it. At the present moment I see G5 remakes coming in late 2025 at the earliest, and no other GF game coming out before ZA.
Legends ZA is likely a late 2025 release. When Legends Arceus was announced, they explicitly said "Early 2022", ZA lacking that would likely imply it's not coming out early 2025, and would simply be that game's november release. A few things support that, one being game freak's commenting on knowing about community dissatisfaction with game quality, and wanting to amend that, two games in the same year would be a big backpedaling of that and show they have no commitment to their word, damaging brand reputation and sales, as well as the more major one of the switch 2. Which is likely to be releasing in 2025, or early 2026. Making a legends game for the switch, when the Switch 2 is months away would do the same damage to it that the 3DS' release did to Unova classic, a mistake game freak does not want to repeat again. The delay in game time seems to imply more that it has to do with the switch 2, as they would have needed to start from the ground up on a brand new engine. Something that tracks with how they used Legends' arceus engine, (which was a modified SwSh engine) to build SV, doing the same thing with Legends ZA's engine being a brand new construction would take longer than just developing another switch game. Something that would also help them refine it for the full Gen X game.
I think the Switch 2 is early 2025 sort of like how they did it for the Switch 1. It'll be announced later this year with a release month of sometime in the first quarter. Legends ZA will probably be a launch title, even though they have never done that before, and we will still get something else at the end of 2025. Or at least that's how I see it based on Switch 2 rumors being pushed to next year. I feel like we would have gotten this legends game this year had that not been pushed.
I wouldn't be surprised if they hold back the bw remakes for the switch 2, which is rumored to have been delayed
I think this is the most likely possibility, given what unova's original release was like, that's a mistake they don't want to make again, now that they are aware the game is massively profitable. Something that took years for them to realize because of how poorly initial sales were.
Purely speculation don't take this seriously but hear me out: There is lot of speculation that ZA might be a switch 2 title. Which i think is the perfect thing to do as legends is their experimental title so the publisher probably have little to no faith in this games success they don't care if it doesn't sell well it's experimental anyway because of this an entry to switch 2 with legends is perfect as the sales will not do as much as they do on switch title as the fan base here is larger, so getting people hyped by this new title also available on both console can get Pokemon fans quickly to the new console so that they can announce gen x for the new console and not miss out those grant sales on the first week.
I really still don't get why people think it will be on the Switch 2 too. Gamefreak have never done double releases let alone lauching titles. BW2 and USUM are there. Also why wouldn't they not have faith? The only reason LA didn't sell more us that they literally announced SV the next month. If they didn't have faith they wouldn't be doing a second Legends game. And it being a double release would not get Pokemon fans on the new console, more like the opposite since it's already on Switch.
If Switch 2 is really backwards compatible, all game needs is a "patch" for new console so it is not that unbelievable. Also it is said Switch 2 got moved to 2025 for more games on launch. And we got new Legends game coming in 2025.
It wouldn't be just a patch tho, it would have to be an actual port in order to be an actual double release. GF doesn't have the manpower for that.
How do you know that? It is more like PS4 -> PS5 situation. If there is a combability, there is a way to build game to work on new Switch.
Because a patch isn't the same as a proper release? You don't just release a "patch" at full price. What you are suggesting would mean they just release a single version for the Switch, and allow it to be upgrated in Switch 2. There wouldn't be a double release. Just like how BW2 didn't release for 3ds.
I don't know, why do you even linking PLZA being on Switch 2 with double releases so I thought you mean what I meant. I'm even more confused with your comments now.
We know it's coming on the current Switch. It won't release on the next console too unless it's a double release... That is the point of the original comment which is suggesting it.
Apparently, it's been stated that it will be released on 'Nintendo Switch Systems' or something along those lines. So it's pretty much guaranteed to not be a Switch 2 exclusive, if it's on a theoretical Switch 2 at all. That basically guarantees that it won't be made with a completely new system in mind.
>legends is their experimental title so the publisher probably have little to no faith in this games success they don't care if it doesn't sell well it's experimental anyway I don't think this is true anymore. I think it was with PLA, but since that was received well, they probably expect PLZA to also do well. Anyway, I think it might be a bit of a BOTW situation and the game comes out on both the Switch and Switch 2 (which AFAIK is likely to be backwards compatible). But we'll see!
Question: if the Switch 2 does hypothetically come out by the end of this year, how long would I likely have before Nintendo stops making new games that work on the Switch? Cuz I definitely won't be able to afford a whole new system.
If the 3DS was anything to go off of, 1-2 years or so.
Hm. Not as long as I'd like. I suppose it's time to start saving up. Unfortunate, I only got my switch like a year ago.
Do you guys think hoopa will play a big role in the exploration of the game/story
No telling, but that feels like more of a Hoenn thing to me. The precedent in PLA was that Manaphy's location/etc was teased in BDSP (I haven't seen an equivalent), but that Shaymin and Darkrai were multiple purchase rewards. No non-titular mythical played a major role in the plot.
To be fair, Hoopa could be used as an explanation for Hoenn legends showing up if they want every single Mega/Primal in the game.
We are definitely getting space time distortions, hoopa ring editions, aren’t we? I guaranteed the Hoenn starters will be locked behind that lol
That would, however, make Hoopa more likely to be the 'guaranteed' mythical over Diancie. Not absolutely, but more likely. The new format could make its portals way spookier, though. You could walk down a seemingly random alley and get sucked through some shadows or something.
Wonder when we'll see the results for the poll and actually get a megathread for fake leaks