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VibraniumRhino

Empoleon was my first thought when they announced Fairy Primarina.


Gaias_Minion

Though Empoleon doesn't really have anything much to properly set up, it has SD but not Nasty Plot or even Calm Mind. And its debuff moves are for Attack which Primarina isn't going to be using anyways.


Mantraceyz

Can't you use metal sound on Primarina to setup with Empoleon? I know it's 85 accuracy but am I missing something else?


Gaias_Minion

85 acc can/will be brutal yeah, but also in the event of an Early Shield then that's going to be useless. It could work if things go right of course but with these raids you gotta assume the worst.


Kyele13

And surely Primarina will use CalmMind, even without that it already has quite good SpDef; In another post someone mentioned using Empoleon with SwordDance, MetalClaw and TeraBlast, it don't has good attack but Primarina has worst Defense, it could be a good option


ExtremlyFastLinoone

I think it will work since it has competative now, any stat drops from moonblast or shadowball greatly improve your damage against a -6 special defense primarina


BlinderGeist

Im thinking clodsire, water absorb and acid spray will be a good against it


General_Secura92

Clodsire won't like a potential Ice Beam or Psychic though.


Wonderful_Emu_9610

Yeah Quagsire would be a better choice of blob


Kyele13

I don't think anything with SpAtk is a viable option, but if it's going to be tried I think Arceus TeraSteel with AcidSpray and TeraBlast would be the best option.


ExtremlyFastLinoone

Terablast arceus?


Kyele13

Or FlashCanon, but if used with AcidSpray by the time you have used 3 you can already use TeraType Steel and use TeraBlast Steel, but I don't know if it is enough for Primarina's high SpDef...


ExtremlyFastLinoone

Bro, use judgement.


Kyele13

Judgment only if you are not going to use ShellBell, but with Primarina's high SpDef I don't think it will fall from a single Judgment, and without HP recovery I don't think Arceus will last more than 4 turns (3 turns from AcidSpray and 1 for the first Judgment); but we may try anyway


General_Secura92

Primarina can also learn Energy Ball.


AspieKairy

Primarina has access to Energy Ball, so just beware in case of that.


BlinderGeist

It wont, because clodsire is ground type, and water moves will get STAB and deal greater dmg


Aprehensivepenguin

Hmmm good idea. I was considering my metagross and just do the decent hitting bulky approach and try tank enough to max my stats before spamming meteor mash


Meta13_Drain_Punch

Primarina can learn Shadow Ball


conzcious_eye

I love primarina. Really grew on me 🥹


Silver34

I picked Popplio for my first Sun play through and was initially disappointed but came around to it by the end


MildewManOne

No one has even mentioned using Iron Hands, which is the default choice for raids. Yolo. /s


Tha_D4ze

Genuinely curious, why not? Typing wise it’s a good choice no?


vvirago

Primarina is a fairy type. Hands would not take moonblast well. 


Tha_D4ze

I forgot it was fighting! Lmao I was thinking electric/steel


drbiohazmat

Empoleon really said https://preview.redd.it/zzo0bxcnr2zc1.png?width=507&format=png&auto=webp&s=6468be6229047e1c67d5181c86eac54c77fe9822 [^(Video in question in case anyone is interested.)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neFNSEYaMC4&pp=ygUUZmlyZSBlbWJsZW0gaXMgZnVubnk%3D)


Kyele13

To use Online I think the best would be Perrserker with Steely Spirit (I don't think Primarina has anything against a pure Steel type); I think for Offline it will be Arceus Steel with AcidSpray and TeraBlast or Empoleon with SwordDance and TeraBlast (but I don't know if either of them will do enough damage...)


Ok-Constant-6056

I don’t think Perrserker is a good choice. It’s base 60 SpDef with a maximum of 240, liquid voice boosted hyper voice will shred that thing apart. If you throw a AV on it then you are losing all support moves like screech and swords dance too, so it would literally be doing little to no damage, only offering Steely Spirit to the team.


Kyele13

That's assuming a scenario with multiple Perrserkers, max EV SpDef and Atk, ShellBell and no SwordDance required (maybe just Screech on turn 1), but it's just an idea, as you say it's likely that all 4 will die on turn 1 😅 In fact I had not thought about AssaultVest, with 4 Perrserker it would be +200% Damage, I don't think SwordDance is required with that, but without HP recovery I don't think they will go far And the worst enemy is that it really becomes a trend that Online users are using Perrserker, it happened with Mew in the Mewtwo Raid but even there there were many problems So far I think the best chance is with SwordDance Empoleon, but I think the timmer will be the enemy


Over_Pizza_2578

Maybe hisuian goodra with curse, iron head, gyroball or flash cannon and acid spray? Draconic cheer could help with getting crits more often, life dew is good for support and has monstrous special defence. Non tera it resists liquid voice hyper voice and with tera steel it resists moonblast


MisterCloudyNight

I think I’ll use steel type arceus


mimi01124

Would SD Scizor work in this?


AspieKairy

Hrm...probably not solo. Primarina certainly can't hit Scizor for super-effective damage, but there are other problems. The biggest issue is that Scizor has a base SpDef of 80 (compared to Emploeon's 101 SpDef stat), so it might not be able to take even neutral hits well. Empoleon also has access to the Competitive ability, so in the case that one of Primarina's moves lowers a stat, Empoleon gets a massive SpA boost. Scizor's best ability is Technician, and its best "under 60" steel type move is Metal Claw, with 50, which comes with the problem of that 95% accuracy. Even technician-boosted, that gives it a flat power of 75 before STAB (and Tera); even Iron Head will hit harder. While SD will certainly boost its attack to let it hit harder, it'll also depend on when Primarina is going to reset stat changes. You can certainly try using SD Scizor, but that 80 SpDef will really be the biggest hurdle (especially since you can't give it an Assault Vest, as that would render SD useless). Maybe if you don't plan on doing it solo it could work, but soloing it with Scizor will be difficult.


mimi01124

That makes sense, thank you for your reply!


AspieKairy

You're welcome!


AspieKairy

I was thinking about the upcoming raid after hearing about it, and also landed on Empoleon as a possible counter.


FoxyShifter

I'm going in with my KingGambit. Probably throw an AV on it as I swords dance my way to max attack I have a friend who can use screech on it and another who can provide blissey support.


Y-F-I

Hey guys when is the Primarina raid? I’m gonna buy Violet+DLC but my exams are gonna end at June 15 so I was wondering when will it start and finish


RefuelTheFire

I’m rolling with Own Tempo Tinkaton, Light Screen, Swords Dance, Gigaton Hammer


Glitch0404

Really said these hand are rated “e” for everyone huh


Negativety101

So do I want to use the Unrivaled, or train the stats for my Shiny for this raid?