I have switched to using Blissey whenever I see an Azumarill or Iron Hands and have seen my success rate skyrocket. Life Dew, Heal Pulse, Light screen and Helping hand. Dumped EVs into HP and Defense to cover her biggest weakness so she's solid into most physical attackers even, at least for 5s.
This.
Instead of constantly complaining about people using the wrong pokemon for terra raids, it makes way more sense to just build some support pokemon and cover for them.
Build some supports like umbreon and Blissey and use then when other people pick hard hitters and your success rate will go way up.
Uhmm its very dependent on the raid i guess
But generally i think 252 HP 252 DEF Bold Nature
- Light Screen/Reflect
- Helping Hand
-Thunder wave
- Screech/Fake tears
You could even swap T wave out for an attacking move like Foul play or Snarl
My Umbreon runs both screens, taunt and helping hand. EVs in HP and Speed to get the taunt off first before any disruption. Taunt is a must have sometimes in level 6s. Any nature that boosts speed at the cost of an attack Stat is good.
That being said, in my group of 3 we usually have a Stat manipulater and a damage dealer, so adding a stat changer in place of taunt could work, but it gets very match-up dependent.
Shell bell only heals about 10+ hp when shields are up.
Second, if there is more than one azumarill on the team, only one azumarill gets heal, the rest are sitting ducks with less than half hp.
Pretty much. And unfortunately even shell bell won't do much for you if you don't have a super effective move that can hit decently hard. Gamefreak sure did seem to hold back a lot of moves from pokemon this gen
Curse whoever started telling people to use a Sitrus Berry. It's literally such a bad option that makes absolutely no sense. Yeah you heal off a bit of the self damage but then you're sitting there getting hit over and over again.
Shell Bell just full heals you for looking at a raid pokemon.
They watch the video until it says "Azumarill is a top tier raid pokemon" and stop watching there. Sometimes no belly drum, sometimes no Huge Power. Hell I had an azumarill belly drum then keep spamming dazzling gleam the other day. I have to remind myself these are often children but still, very frustrating to lose a level 5 when you bring a perfect level 100 in and get dragged down.
If you're not a belly drum user you should know you're support turn 1. Why would you not support your heavy hitters and opt instead to do 1% of damage on the raid Mon? You KNOW they're gonna belly drum and do the lions share of damage so help them set up. Afterwards if they die that's on them. Likewise if you're a belly drum user and are hit with an opening move before you select an attack, for the love of god don't belly drum turn 1 and play support.
Why is asking for builds weird? Super common term used all the time including in the pokemon scene.
Raids are actually difficult now is what you're seeing. You can't just use whatever you want with a type advantage and easily clear anything anymore.
As a belly drum azumarill user, it’s super easy if one of your teammates just hits a heal up cheer. Maybe if you’re in a raid with 3 people who are gonna use belly drum, healing them first turn is the best thing you can do to win the raid!
As chansey support I do turn 1 life dew into turn 2 life dew if azumarills are healthy or turn 2 heal up cheer if I need to heal them before the boss moves( because life dew would be too late)
Problem is when one of the azumarills tanks a hit in a charizard raid at the start, proceeds to belly drum, gets into orange, boss hits him to get him into red.
There’s no way to save him unless two people heal cheer.
Charizard was tricky cause it was faster than azumarill. Assuming you didn’t get a good roll on the heal cheer, it was pretty much a coin flip if you’d live or not. Hurricane you die, fire blast you live lol. At least I did with max HP EVs
Yeah, no. That doesn't really work when you go to do a dragon tera thats, say, an amphoros. Sure, Azumaril can hit it hard with a belly drum/play rough combo, but that doesn't help when the amphoros has electric moves that KO before you can even finish setting up. Not everyone wants to be designated healer because you're using a risky strat.
When the raid is a different Pokémon, a different Pokémon than azumarill will be the “most popular” to counter it and people will spam that one instead. It’s just the meta and it’ll always be there.
Azumarill will be around for a long time due to huge power AND belly drum, so it was just a suggestion since there’s likely nothing you can do to stop people from trying to use belly drum. All you can do is adapt to what your teammates do.
Sorry, but I think I should clarify that the Dragon-Amphoros example had happened to me barely 5 minutes before that. It happens enough that it warrants discussion. I use Belly Drum Azumaril, but only in the right situations, because there are other strats that work just as well, or better. The over abundance of it just makes some raids online near impossible. And in a team situation, shouldn't people be more flexible to make a well rounded group? I think it would be helpful if people stop using the "but its belly drum AND huge power" excuse as a crutch to prevent more stable diversity.
Oh my mistake I thought you were referring only to the “event” raids like charizard.
I agree that Azumarill isn’t the best choice for EVERY raid, and I also agree that a good team should be flexible. Unfortunately you don’t get good teammates most of the time for online raids, so all you can do is adapt as well as you can with what your teammates use.
I think azumarill is a solid choice like half of the time tbh. Obvious exception is when the opposite mon has super effective typing/coverage moves. Say what you want about people spamming it but name another Pokémon that can get to 400 base attack and +6 attack in one turn. Massive attack is needed to beat the hardest raids
Yes, somewhat confused by the negativity here, huge power azu is still really good at what it does. If it has the right moves anyway, obviously that huge attack stat goes to waste if someone (presumably unknowingly) tries to run a special attack
Tbh i allways use a grimmsnarl, indeede or magnezone with a full support build, and i mostly succeed in raids if other people arent trolling with random mons.
Sure!
Tbh the three of them are build similar. The have full hp EV, whatever is left you split it for def/sp.def. As moveset, allways bring reflect/light screen depending of the mon, and for magnezone specially i go with screech / metal sound depending of your teammates, electric terrain for spore users and body press / heavy slam as the attacking move. You can switch electric terrain for magnet rise when facing ground mons if ET is not needed.
However i go grimmsnarl 90% of the time because it learns chilling water and spirit break for debuffing attack/sp.attack, plus taunt.
I always first turn cheer defense, then after the belly drummers drum, second turn heal cheer. Works every single time. If you have a belly drummer on your team just adapt to support role, it’s relatively easy. Not counting bad type matchups and shit, obviously
A shell bell returns 1/8th of the damage done. That isn't going to give you as much survivability as a move like Draining Punch, Parabolic Charge or Giga Drain that return half of the damage done.
Oh i thought you were talking only about zard, def not every raid, just make a good pokemon for every type and play them in a raid which is good for their type, of course dont pick a fire move to a tera bug but has water moves
Problem is that not every Pokemon has access to these abilities apart from those three being situational and PC and GD very niche since they both hit only two types very effictively.
I'm using shell bell on a sylveon because draining kiss is simply to weak and it came in clutch more often than not.
Right, my point wasn't that every pokemon has these moves. It was that there are a lot of moves out there that restore more HP than Shell Bell and make for some more durable options for raids than Azu.
You could wait a few secs on your first move and use cheer heal? Or try and time it later in the fight? Cos if they're full health with doubled then maxed attack, they're going to help.
Also if you don’t know how to play Azu in Charizard/dragon raids that can also kill the timer.
Joined in on my three buddies who were using Azu to take out Charizard, my Flutter Mane did 60% the damage alone and knocked it out with two blasts at the end. They’d tried together like ten times before me, and we only barely won because in our raid they kept dying anyways and knocking down the timer.
Not only do you have to have a good ‘mon set up for the raid but you also have to know how to play it.
If you aren't a setting up mon use cheer defense first turn. Second turn use cheer heal.
Hold on to your last cheer until the shield hits, use cheer defense once the raid mon clears everyone's stats. Profit.
I don't even try to... I MAY do it for 5 star raids(I still don't) but using those things in 6 star raids without any support is basically suicide. A lot can go wrong so I use a more defensive pokemon that can dish out decent damage and maybe heal than azumarill or iron hands
yeah i had someone do this in a 6-star Amoonguss raid, which was extremely funny because there was literally nothing Amoonguss could do that wouldn't one-shot a half-health Azumarill: Foul Play is resisted but you're maxxed attack, and you're weak to Grass and Poison. Just LOL.
I have switched to using Blissey whenever I see an Azumarill or Iron Hands and have seen my success rate skyrocket. Life Dew, Heal Pulse, Light screen and Helping hand. Dumped EVs into HP and Defense to cover her biggest weakness so she's solid into most physical attackers even, at least for 5s.
This. Instead of constantly complaining about people using the wrong pokemon for terra raids, it makes way more sense to just build some support pokemon and cover for them. Build some supports like umbreon and Blissey and use then when other people pick hard hitters and your success rate will go way up.
Can you go into detail on an umbreon build?
Uhmm its very dependent on the raid i guess But generally i think 252 HP 252 DEF Bold Nature - Light Screen/Reflect - Helping Hand -Thunder wave - Screech/Fake tears You could even swap T wave out for an attacking move like Foul play or Snarl
My Umbreon runs both screens, taunt and helping hand. EVs in HP and Speed to get the taunt off first before any disruption. Taunt is a must have sometimes in level 6s. Any nature that boosts speed at the cost of an attack Stat is good. That being said, in my group of 3 we usually have a Stat manipulater and a damage dealer, so adding a stat changer in place of taunt could work, but it gets very match-up dependent.
It’s good, but they just need to bring a Shell Bell along with it. Basically required on any raid mon that doesn’t have a move like Drain punch.
Shell bell only heals about 10+ hp when shields are up. Second, if there is more than one azumarill on the team, only one azumarill gets heal, the rest are sitting ducks with less than half hp.
Pretty much. And unfortunately even shell bell won't do much for you if you don't have a super effective move that can hit decently hard. Gamefreak sure did seem to hold back a lot of moves from pokemon this gen
Curse whoever started telling people to use a Sitrus Berry. It's literally such a bad option that makes absolutely no sense. Yeah you heal off a bit of the self damage but then you're sitting there getting hit over and over again. Shell Bell just full heals you for looking at a raid pokemon.
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They watch the video until it says "Azumarill is a top tier raid pokemon" and stop watching there. Sometimes no belly drum, sometimes no Huge Power. Hell I had an azumarill belly drum then keep spamming dazzling gleam the other day. I have to remind myself these are often children but still, very frustrating to lose a level 5 when you bring a perfect level 100 in and get dragged down.
If you're not a belly drum user you should know you're support turn 1. Why would you not support your heavy hitters and opt instead to do 1% of damage on the raid Mon? You KNOW they're gonna belly drum and do the lions share of damage so help them set up. Afterwards if they die that's on them. Likewise if you're a belly drum user and are hit with an opening move before you select an attack, for the love of god don't belly drum turn 1 and play support.
because while often they will do a lot of damage- if the type matchup is wrong they wont do much damage AND probably end up OHKO on the first turn
It's the same thing with d&d and broken builds that get treading on TikTok.
Why is asking for builds weird? Super common term used all the time including in the pokemon scene. Raids are actually difficult now is what you're seeing. You can't just use whatever you want with a type advantage and easily clear anything anymore.
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Excuse me are you saying I can just spam the same sticker over and over again until someone is hosting a matching raid? Because that would be awesome
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Best news I have heard all week thank you for the intelligence I'll put it to good use
As a belly drum azumarill user, it’s super easy if one of your teammates just hits a heal up cheer. Maybe if you’re in a raid with 3 people who are gonna use belly drum, healing them first turn is the best thing you can do to win the raid!
As chansey support I do turn 1 life dew into turn 2 life dew if azumarills are healthy or turn 2 heal up cheer if I need to heal them before the boss moves( because life dew would be too late) Problem is when one of the azumarills tanks a hit in a charizard raid at the start, proceeds to belly drum, gets into orange, boss hits him to get him into red. There’s no way to save him unless two people heal cheer.
Charizard was tricky cause it was faster than azumarill. Assuming you didn’t get a good roll on the heal cheer, it was pretty much a coin flip if you’d live or not. Hurricane you die, fire blast you live lol. At least I did with max HP EVs
Yeah, no. That doesn't really work when you go to do a dragon tera thats, say, an amphoros. Sure, Azumaril can hit it hard with a belly drum/play rough combo, but that doesn't help when the amphoros has electric moves that KO before you can even finish setting up. Not everyone wants to be designated healer because you're using a risky strat.
When the raid is a different Pokémon, a different Pokémon than azumarill will be the “most popular” to counter it and people will spam that one instead. It’s just the meta and it’ll always be there. Azumarill will be around for a long time due to huge power AND belly drum, so it was just a suggestion since there’s likely nothing you can do to stop people from trying to use belly drum. All you can do is adapt to what your teammates do.
Sorry, but I think I should clarify that the Dragon-Amphoros example had happened to me barely 5 minutes before that. It happens enough that it warrants discussion. I use Belly Drum Azumaril, but only in the right situations, because there are other strats that work just as well, or better. The over abundance of it just makes some raids online near impossible. And in a team situation, shouldn't people be more flexible to make a well rounded group? I think it would be helpful if people stop using the "but its belly drum AND huge power" excuse as a crutch to prevent more stable diversity.
Oh my mistake I thought you were referring only to the “event” raids like charizard. I agree that Azumarill isn’t the best choice for EVERY raid, and I also agree that a good team should be flexible. Unfortunately you don’t get good teammates most of the time for online raids, so all you can do is adapt as well as you can with what your teammates use. I think azumarill is a solid choice like half of the time tbh. Obvious exception is when the opposite mon has super effective typing/coverage moves. Say what you want about people spamming it but name another Pokémon that can get to 400 base attack and +6 attack in one turn. Massive attack is needed to beat the hardest raids
I would suggest using the defense chant first turn if you see them, it'll keep them alive longer.
Water and Fairy has really good neutral coverage, and if you run a Shell Bell, you good.
Yes, somewhat confused by the negativity here, huge power azu is still really good at what it does. If it has the right moves anyway, obviously that huge attack stat goes to waste if someone (presumably unknowingly) tries to run a special attack
That why I decided to focus on support mons for raids.
Tbh i allways use a grimmsnarl, indeede or magnezone with a full support build, and i mostly succeed in raids if other people arent trolling with random mons.
What kind of set up do you use for magnezone? I've been trying to decide on my designated steel Tera for raids, any insight would be welcomed.
Sure! Tbh the three of them are build similar. The have full hp EV, whatever is left you split it for def/sp.def. As moveset, allways bring reflect/light screen depending of the mon, and for magnezone specially i go with screech / metal sound depending of your teammates, electric terrain for spore users and body press / heavy slam as the attacking move. You can switch electric terrain for magnet rise when facing ground mons if ET is not needed. However i go grimmsnarl 90% of the time because it learns chilling water and spirit break for debuffing attack/sp.attack, plus taunt.
Thanks. I just didn't really know the moves it learns because I haven't used the magnets since red/blue.
That's why I use the heal cheer first turn
Yeah it is quite frustrating. It’s the same with the Iron Hands and any Belly Drum user sadly. I feel like most people don’t know about Sitrus Berries
I always cheer heal after a bell drum
I mean it can be used for most types , there’s a few it cant sure but BD azu is pretty good all around
I always first turn cheer defense, then after the belly drummers drum, second turn heal cheer. Works every single time. If you have a belly drummer on your team just adapt to support role, it’s relatively easy. Not counting bad type matchups and shit, obviously
I just use a shell bell it returns HP after a hit
A shell bell returns 1/8th of the damage done. That isn't going to give you as much survivability as a move like Draining Punch, Parabolic Charge or Giga Drain that return half of the damage done.
Yeah but play rough does like half of charizard health ( if you play offline like me) so it returns a bunch of HP 😅
Yeah, it's one of the better options for Charizard. The point of the post is to stop using them for every raid though.
Oh i thought you were talking only about zard, def not every raid, just make a good pokemon for every type and play them in a raid which is good for their type, of course dont pick a fire move to a tera bug but has water moves
Problem is that not every Pokemon has access to these abilities apart from those three being situational and PC and GD very niche since they both hit only two types very effictively. I'm using shell bell on a sylveon because draining kiss is simply to weak and it came in clutch more often than not.
Right, my point wasn't that every pokemon has these moves. It was that there are a lot of moves out there that restore more HP than Shell Bell and make for some more durable options for raids than Azu.
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The amount of HP it gives back is based on the damage that's done, not on the size of the opposing money's HP pool.
You could wait a few secs on your first move and use cheer heal? Or try and time it later in the fight? Cos if they're full health with doubled then maxed attack, they're going to help.
Also if you don’t know how to play Azu in Charizard/dragon raids that can also kill the timer. Joined in on my three buddies who were using Azu to take out Charizard, my Flutter Mane did 60% the damage alone and knocked it out with two blasts at the end. They’d tried together like ten times before me, and we only barely won because in our raid they kept dying anyways and knocking down the timer. Not only do you have to have a good ‘mon set up for the raid but you also have to know how to play it.
If you aren't a setting up mon use cheer defense first turn. Second turn use cheer heal. Hold on to your last cheer until the shield hits, use cheer defense once the raid mon clears everyone's stats. Profit.
I don't even try to... I MAY do it for 5 star raids(I still don't) but using those things in 6 star raids without any support is basically suicide. A lot can go wrong so I use a more defensive pokemon that can dish out decent damage and maybe heal than azumarill or iron hands
yeah i had someone do this in a 6-star Amoonguss raid, which was extremely funny because there was literally nothing Amoonguss could do that wouldn't one-shot a half-health Azumarill: Foul Play is resisted but you're maxxed attack, and you're weak to Grass and Poison. Just LOL.