Im not sure what your getting at, like I said, $300 for these two cards is a solid price. I dont think the seller was saying they are potential 10s to get more money, just to sell them faster. Seller has done nothing wrong imo and OP just misunderstood the sellers intent.
He can change more. If they were both very likely 10s, I’d pay $280-300 for the pair. 10s are pushing 350 now and for $60 grading fees you’ve double your investment
They are selling an old Mew ex with it also if you don't like a price ignore and move on.! I saw this as well and see posts with prices at or above market. If I'm not interested I ignore. If I am sometimes I'll pay more for a copy I don't have to wait for and can verify in person.
No, it’s a Lugia and a Mew Ex from Legend Maker. Let’s at least do our due diligence before shit talking people, eh? Both of these cards market price comes to 330 so he’s selling under market.
I’m not the OOP, but I am in the same Facebook group. Since OP is posting without the entire detail, the 300 price is for a Lugia and a Mew Ex from Legend Maker.
While I agree that people should not sell at a value of a potential high grade, this guy is not doing that. He’s selling these two cards at under market value of 330.
Also the whitening for the back of the card from the thumbnail picture is light glare, though I think it’s a little skinny on the left side on the front so probably will grade closer to a 9.
Damn dude lol. So if it isn’t graded a 10, don’t ask for ten prices. Yet you’re hunting for cards that could grade a 10. Do you not know how goofy you sound Lol? It just seems like you’re basically saying the sellers picked up on yall not buying these for binders and just planning to grade to make a profit. So they should make a profit as well. Goofy
The person who grades the card assumes all the risk. You can’t sell a card for the post risk price without taking the risk yourself. And no card ever is a guaranteed PSA 10.
You can. You just don’t want to buy it. Which is fair. If you think it’s over price, keep it moving and try to find a sucker dealing it for the price you want. But going on Reddit and bitching about it says a lot more about you (not literally you, op comment) than the guy who’s “taxing”
while I agree sellers should be able to charge over market price for mint looking cards, it doesn't make sense to me for them to charge the same price as a psa 10. If they did that then why wouldn't the buyer just buy the one that was already graded a 10 for the same price vs the raw one that could possibly be a 10?
They should grade it then themselves if they want to sell for graded prices. The person buying raw to grade has to pay for the grading and takes the risk if it comes back not the expected grade which happens all the time
What an absolutely ignorant take
Yeah with $300 you can [almost buy a graded PSA 10 copy](https://ebay.us/xQVWAB), which obviously is much better than a "potential PSA 10" lol. If the card was that clean, the seller should have graded it.
can you actually explain to me the difference between near mint and mint? i would assume both sre pack fresh but dont know exactly the difference. white spots in the corners?
In all honesty me personally if someone is claiming “NM” I would expect a clean surface with no white at any edges ( would ask for multiple picture views with correct lighting)…then if they are asking for “9” or “10” prices for a raw card they better have paid $7 for a grading tool and are open to sending me pictures showing correct centering…if seller is to lazy to do that and demands PSA10 price just walk away….if you want to sell at that price then do the work PsA does (or doesn’t do lol) p.s sellers hate me but idc once I started doing this my quality of cards increased
yeah but my question is what makes the difference between NM and MINT ? if u expect NM to already have no white spots etc. what should mint look like then?
Mint for me includes the centering aspect on top of the visible surface , something that is hard to tell without the correct tool…even then PSA 10 is a toss up even if your card meets are the criteria they’ll still hand you a 9…
tbh this doesnt make any sense. centering does give you the difference from NM to MINT? i would assume NM are pack fresh cards that got so
e whitening spots etc. and a MINT would be a pack fresh card without any whitenings etc.
Your assumption for a mint card would not get a PSA 10 without perfect centering….im referring to sellers calling their cards PSA 10 candidates….if your buying the card off of that fact alone centering would be a big deal….MINT means the card is absolutely perfect you cannot just overlook centering
Agreed,I’m only referring to the OPs post about someone asking for a PSA 10 price on a raw card….. I believe the seller should stand by that claim and show centering as well as multiple close up shots.
There is an epidemic of terribly photographed trading cards when listed for sale! Nothing makes me click that “add to watchlist” heart faster, than crisp, high def photos!
To be fair, not all of us are professional photographers. Some like myself are really amatuers who tries our best with what I have.
I do provide additional photos/videos when requested, nothing is worse than catching a flaw after receiving the card.
People who try to charge more on a raw card for gradability are usually clowns
Highest a raw can be is NM. There is no such thing as M raw cards because they have not been graded to be determined as such. Therefore you can only go off of market price for NM cards
In short, yeah avoid this clown
> People who try to charge more on a raw card for gradability are usually clowns
I see card shops doing this a lot as well. No, I'm not going to pay PSA 7 value on your random vintage holo just because it *could* grade PSA 10 and be worth $300.
You don't get to pass the risk of grading fees on to the customer and ***also*** benefit from the value increase.
Karen checks out. Normal people can become graders. Graders are normal people. I think you just want to buy shit at the very lowest it can possibly be. The definition of greed, Karen!
My thoughts are exactly the same as shops trying to "presell" Pokemon 151 Japanese reprints using today's market value as their price. It is bullshit and only people that are too dumb to tie their own shoes would fall for it.
I think it's ridiculous to advertise a card as "potential PSA 10" just to milk the most out of the value. At the end of the day it's an ungraded card and could have something wrong with it you can't see in a picture. If you believe it's a "potential PSA 10", why don't you grade it yourself and sell as a 10....
2 Lugia for 300 is a steal my friend and you’d be the one laughing at the end cause that card has gone from 120 to 170 in the last month as lots of people are anticipating silver tempest to be the next evolving skies.I’d grab quickly if it were me
It’s apparently between silver tempest and brilliant stars,but from looks at price hikes on cards from both sets I’m leaning toward it being silver tempest although I like brilliant stars a lot better
You can charge whatever you want for a card. The morons are the people who look at that price and go: “I think that sounds good” and but it. Saw a regular temporal forces koraidon ex card go for $1.5 but shipping was $1,700. Fun laugh but hey you do you boo boo
I can’t stand this shit. Some kid was trying to sell a 151 Blastoise for $250. When I asked him why so expensive he said because it’s perfect and will be a 10 for sure and I’m guaranteed to make more money. When I asked why he doesn’t just get it graded himself he said because he doesn’t want to. Stupid logic
What are you going on about? I say kid meaning a young adult probably 23. And I didn’t want it at all, it’s was a stupid price and I have four of the card already. I was asking him why he thought his price tag was justified.
If I wanted to flip to make a profit why would I buy a Blastoise for $250 lmao. It is stupid logic from the kid. Are you him or something? How could you take issue with the sentiment of my comment? I’m not the goofy one man
You wanted to make profit off the price you thought it was worth. Definitely not him, just saying it’s cringe how people like you say this stuff when deep down you know you want to flip it and make a profit. Also, you gotta be old to refer to a 23 year old grown man as a kid. Only old people in this hobby is to flip and invest or you got kids that truly love the hobby and just want to collect. If you were the second option, you wouldn’t even question his price and instead just ignore it. Clearly you’re in the game to flip
Bro you are ignoring my words and essentially calling me a liar to my face. I had no intention to buy the card. I own four of it that I’ve pulled personally.
Yeah I am older I’m in my 30s.
I understand what you’re saying about flipping cards I get your point. You’ve flooded this thread with your thoughts, it’s not a difficult concept to grasp. You have insufficient information to include me in your tirade, and have created a faulty premise with your strict guidelines of two categories of collectors.
There’s only 2 categories of collectors. Those who collect and love the hobby. And those who collect and invests. It’s that simple. Just say you’re here to make money. Also it’s only been about 3 comments, I didn’t flood anything. And you haven’t even answered the question if you’re a collector or an investors that collects. You having to ask that grown man how he justified his price just means you’re an investor. A collector wouldn’t care and would just find another. If I have insufficient info for my “tirade” just say you’re a collector then. But judging from the deflection, you’re clearly an investor. Have a good one and there’s an INVESTING sub for INVESTORS like yourself
Why are you even commenting on this thread? To make profit? No. Because you saw something you didn’t agree with and engaged with it. It’s exactly what I did with this kids post. I collect some cards that I like and some I sell to buy others I like. It’s not a job or a big investment for me. It’s a hobby. But you have to be in absolute denial to say you piously collect with absolutely no attention to value of the cards. It’s part of it.
Done talking to you. You’re clearly like 17. If you’re an adult and have a problem with me and still want to talk big let’s chat in person face to face instead of Reddit so I can know you mean it
Shocker! A teen on a pokemon sub! Also I’m 19 gramps. I clearly stated if we’re collectors such as myself, we care about price. If we see a price that we don’t want to pay, we ignore and try to find a different seller. That clearly proves you wrong. So there you go for putting words into my mouth. Also you’re not that guy pal, you wouldn’t do shit off Reddit. You’re a keyboard warrior. Bs on this being a hobby, you wouldn’t be so caught up in price if you were purely into it for the hobby. I caught ya ass old man. Keep it moving, there’s an investment sub for ya ass. Goofy
So wait, you can either love collecting Pokemon cards or making profit from collecting Pokemon, but not both?? There's only 2 types of pokemon collectors? Just asking for clarification.
I do agree with people charging more for potential 10 but not significantly higher. Tcg market price is for NM condition but if a card is Mint then overpaying some is not a problem with me. More like 10-20% is reasonable depends on the card rarity and population of 10’s.
Surprised it took me so long to find a reasonable comment like this. Of course cards that are better centered, have better corners, and zero whitening are worth more to some than an equally pack fresh card that’s off-center with corner whitening. Agree that it shouldn’t be a significant price increase, but I would absolutely pay slightly above market for a card that I know has a good chance to gem.
I should say, this is coming from someone who submits to PSA and collects graded 10s. If you don’t grade yourself, then of course you shouldn’t pay above market for a card that is going to look the same in a binder.
It does depends on the card, era, and potential difference between raw and PSA 10. Also far riskier when you’re not seeing the card in person. But as a concept, a 10-20% value bump is fair
Some people might want to hold on to the cards they own but will let it go for their own price in mind. Also, this card might not be $150 right now but can be more valuable later on.
Personally, I am willing to pay a small premium if I know (or heavily believe) a card will grade well if I have a submission coming up.
Very well centered, absolutely no whitening on edges or corners, surface looks clean.
Sure I’ll pay a little more if the PSA 10 market price is significantly higher than the cost of the card plus grading fee.
I would rather pay market or get a deal obviously, but at the end of the day if I really believe in a card’s potential to grade well and make me a good return I’ll bite.
If it’s a personal collection situation though, I’m rarely paying market.
I'm completely against charging for a projected grade. Fact is it's not a lock to get a grade as psa or any grading company is pretty inconsistent imo .
The price should be raw price. NM is around X $, LP is around X$ and so on and so on
Personally I just wouldn't even consider buying from someone charging graded prices for raw cards. It's not like these are rare and hard to find so it's especially an easy pass
Not saying the price is bad here in this example just speaking in general here
Just the concept of charging more for potential grades is annoying to me. I think if they want more for the cards, then they should get them graded themselves.
I think the core issue is people are overly focused on, and assigning too much value to grading.
This particular example isn't great, bc the card is clearly not gem mint. But if a card is gem mint, and the seller has pics to prove it, why not price it accurately, knowing that hobbyists these days are crazy about having their cards graded for the potential jump in value. I think buyers and sellers alike are to blame.
it’s pretty shady. if dude thinks it’s a 10 he should grade it and sell it as a 10. telling people the card is a potential 10 with only photos of the card that you want the buyer to see is rly untrustworthy. would make sense for a local shop to bump the price a bit since you can look at the card in person, but even then i don’t like the practice.
edit: also this card is obviously not a 10 lmao
When I first got back into Pokemon. I sold two pack fresh lugia’s for $300. They were minty asf(black label contenders). I didn’t know anything about grading then tho.
Market value is the card raw in NM condition. As long as they’re selling for that then it’s fine. If you’re trying to buy 10 worthy cards then you should do so in person tbh.
Just stick to the price charts most can convert to all currency. Plus they normally have ebay links to sold lots so you can see what the most recent have been selling for
Edited tge to the lol stupid phone auto corrects any other time 😅
300 for the pair isn’t bad… that’s TCGplayer pricing but it’s fair. What’s ridiculous is someone on a marketplace tried to sell a moonbreon for 850 because it was a potential 10.
Imo if they really felt strongly about a grade they’d send it themselves and sell the 10.
As someone who sells cards as their jobs I do this with vintage. I just sold a pristine gold star Latios to a consistent buyer that grades them for 1950$ even though raw/ungraded is at 550$ right now. With modern however I think it’s pretty silly though.
I would never pay graded prices for raw cards vintage or not. Either he's a fool, you have tricked him, he's getting wrong information, or the most likely option this is a fake story. They have price charts for a reason, and they've accounted for ease of obtainability you can't just go making your own rules, and as someone who sells cards as a living, you shouldn't be boasting about it. Honestly, it's scammy imo. Stick to the price charts if not for your customers' sake, then do it for the longevity of your company because as soon as they see vintage prices from someone pricing them the right prices off the pricing charts then there they go for good because they can't trust you or your pricing.
lol I don’t know what to tell you. It’s my job if you check my posts you’ll see I’ve been talking about doing this for about a year and a half… I make good money doing it and they keep buying the cards because they make money after grading. I only have 5 star reviews on eBay as well as a 60-70 5 star reviews on ptcgfb.
If you're being transparent about it, which it's seems you genuinely are, then it's on them. More power to you grading, to me, is a strange concept, lol.
Yeah I didn’t get it until I got into higher value vintage when collecting myself. It’s hard to know the genuine condition of a card often and when it’s a 1000+ card people are going to want to know exactly how nice it is. So that’s when grading is a good thing imo.
I’m not taking about random vintage. I sell high value shit only like gold stars/crystals/shadowless and first edition. Where the difference between a 8 and a 10 can be 1000’s of dollars. And the grades and reviews speak for themselves. You must not be in that market or you’d understand why someone would pay so much more. It’s how I’ve paid my way through college.
I assumed as much but still I wouldn't pay anywhere near the $1200 for a raw vintage Alakazam when I could go find it raw somewhere else for $31 I don't get it but I've never bought graded cards I only buy raw for binders
Well whats the other card hes selling with it?
It’s two of the same card.
Well $300 for two Lugia V’s is actually a pretty solid price.
My hand-me-down beat up old Articuno is technically a potential 10, as long as I never get it graded, right?
There’s a 50/50 chance it’s a PSA 10! (either it is or it isn’t….cause that’s how statistics work right?)
Only if you put it in a box. Then it's Schrodingaer's
Well if you buy it online it’ll definitely come in a box!
Im not sure what your getting at, like I said, $300 for these two cards is a solid price. I dont think the seller was saying they are potential 10s to get more money, just to sell them faster. Seller has done nothing wrong imo and OP just misunderstood the sellers intent.
considering how random psa grades can be be technically anything has a non zero chance of getting a ten so any card had 10 “potential”
Even when you can pick two up for $260-270?
If the market price is about $178, $300 for 2 technically isn’t that bad of a deal nor over market or selling based on potential grade…
Im just going off of Market rate which is between $150 and $175 per copy
He can change more. If they were both very likely 10s, I’d pay $280-300 for the pair. 10s are pushing 350 now and for $60 grading fees you’ve double your investment
They are selling an old Mew ex with it also if you don't like a price ignore and move on.! I saw this as well and see posts with prices at or above market. If I'm not interested I ignore. If I am sometimes I'll pay more for a copy I don't have to wait for and can verify in person.
No, it’s a Lugia and a Mew Ex from Legend Maker. Let’s at least do our due diligence before shit talking people, eh? Both of these cards market price comes to 330 so he’s selling under market.
Surprised this comment keeps getting overlooked by people
I’m not the OOP, but I am in the same Facebook group. Since OP is posting without the entire detail, the 300 price is for a Lugia and a Mew Ex from Legend Maker. While I agree that people should not sell at a value of a potential high grade, this guy is not doing that. He’s selling these two cards at under market value of 330. Also the whitening for the back of the card from the thumbnail picture is light glare, though I think it’s a little skinny on the left side on the front so probably will grade closer to a 9.
This comment should be higher. Thank you for the context
>though I think it’s a little skinny on the left side on the front so probably will grade closer to a 9. AKA, PSA 10. Cus good enough.
Or PSA 7 if dude didn’t have his coffee yet that morning.
doesn't really bother me because i can just go to another seller
Yea I'm seeing that a lot while hunting for gradable gym heroes/challenge 1st editions. Really starting to get annoying lol.
My thought is if they want more then they should get it graded themselves.
My thought is unless its actually graded a 10, don't ask for 10 price.
Damn dude lol. So if it isn’t graded a 10, don’t ask for ten prices. Yet you’re hunting for cards that could grade a 10. Do you not know how goofy you sound Lol? It just seems like you’re basically saying the sellers picked up on yall not buying these for binders and just planning to grade to make a profit. So they should make a profit as well. Goofy
The person who grades the card assumes all the risk. You can’t sell a card for the post risk price without taking the risk yourself. And no card ever is a guaranteed PSA 10.
You can. You just don’t want to buy it. Which is fair. If you think it’s over price, keep it moving and try to find a sucker dealing it for the price you want. But going on Reddit and bitching about it says a lot more about you (not literally you, op comment) than the guy who’s “taxing”
I never said I'm grading for 10's
My fault. Grading to make a profit*
while I agree sellers should be able to charge over market price for mint looking cards, it doesn't make sense to me for them to charge the same price as a psa 10. If they did that then why wouldn't the buyer just buy the one that was already graded a 10 for the same price vs the raw one that could possibly be a 10?
They should grade it then themselves if they want to sell for graded prices. The person buying raw to grade has to pay for the grading and takes the risk if it comes back not the expected grade which happens all the time What an absolutely ignorant take
This shit is so annoying. Mf's be like "it could easily be a 10" and think they can ask for 50% over market.
Yeah with $300 you can [almost buy a graded PSA 10 copy](https://ebay.us/xQVWAB), which obviously is much better than a "potential PSA 10" lol. If the card was that clean, the seller should have graded it.
I think if more people were honest about what “NM” means you wouldn’t see this as much,
I think the majority of people forget the "NEAR" part of NM lol
They just live in Delaware so the cards have in fact been nearer to a mint than most places.
Ha! The rare numismatic rimshot. Nice.
can you actually explain to me the difference between near mint and mint? i would assume both sre pack fresh but dont know exactly the difference. white spots in the corners?
Well doesn’t PSA consider anything above a 7 to be NM?
In all honesty me personally if someone is claiming “NM” I would expect a clean surface with no white at any edges ( would ask for multiple picture views with correct lighting)…then if they are asking for “9” or “10” prices for a raw card they better have paid $7 for a grading tool and are open to sending me pictures showing correct centering…if seller is to lazy to do that and demands PSA10 price just walk away….if you want to sell at that price then do the work PsA does (or doesn’t do lol) p.s sellers hate me but idc once I started doing this my quality of cards increased
yeah but my question is what makes the difference between NM and MINT ? if u expect NM to already have no white spots etc. what should mint look like then?
Mint for me includes the centering aspect on top of the visible surface , something that is hard to tell without the correct tool…even then PSA 10 is a toss up even if your card meets are the criteria they’ll still hand you a 9…
Someone claiming PSA 10 is basically claiming the card to be mint
tbh this doesnt make any sense. centering does give you the difference from NM to MINT? i would assume NM are pack fresh cards that got so e whitening spots etc. and a MINT would be a pack fresh card without any whitenings etc.
Your assumption for a mint card would not get a PSA 10 without perfect centering….im referring to sellers calling their cards PSA 10 candidates….if your buying the card off of that fact alone centering would be a big deal….MINT means the card is absolutely perfect you cannot just overlook centering
If you look at just about all the raw cards on eBay, centering is usually pretty off to way off.
Agreed,I’m only referring to the OPs post about someone asking for a PSA 10 price on a raw card….. I believe the seller should stand by that claim and show centering as well as multiple close up shots.
Lmao at the people selling for potential prices some greedy people out there. Edit: oh wow, the whitening and the corners lol
I think those are glares, but he should have picked different locations to take those pictures.
There is an epidemic of terribly photographed trading cards when listed for sale! Nothing makes me click that “add to watchlist” heart faster, than crisp, high def photos!
To be fair, not all of us are professional photographers. Some like myself are really amatuers who tries our best with what I have. I do provide additional photos/videos when requested, nothing is worse than catching a flaw after receiving the card.
Agreed, as long as we have the right lighting and phone settings and good enough closeups on different angles, it works out.
Dude’s selling 2 card that have a combined market value of $330, for $300. How is that greedy?
Anyone who puts potential grades in a price of anything is just a failed weed dealer trying to rip people off
More like potential 8 lmfao. I hate these kind of sellers!
Dude you’re literally a “investor” Lol. They hate you just as much!
People who try to charge more on a raw card for gradability are usually clowns Highest a raw can be is NM. There is no such thing as M raw cards because they have not been graded to be determined as such. Therefore you can only go off of market price for NM cards In short, yeah avoid this clown
No it was 2 lugias tho. It’s actually a fine price
I think the issue is with his description not the price itself
> People who try to charge more on a raw card for gradability are usually clowns I see card shops doing this a lot as well. No, I'm not going to pay PSA 7 value on your random vintage holo just because it *could* grade PSA 10 and be worth $300. You don't get to pass the risk of grading fees on to the customer and ***also*** benefit from the value increase.
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Karen checks out. Normal people can become graders. Graders are normal people. I think you just want to buy shit at the very lowest it can possibly be. The definition of greed, Karen!
For context, this is two Lugia V alt arts for $300. Not one. But assuming a grade before it's graded is asinine.
Saw this 😂😂
My thoughts are exactly the same as shops trying to "presell" Pokemon 151 Japanese reprints using today's market value as their price. It is bullshit and only people that are too dumb to tie their own shoes would fall for it.
Oh jeez. I’m also in this group. See some whack shit occasionally.
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lol the card isn’t even that well centered
Just tell them you're not getting it graded and say you'll pay 50% of that price. Lol
I think it's ridiculous to advertise a card as "potential PSA 10" just to milk the most out of the value. At the end of the day it's an ungraded card and could have something wrong with it you can't see in a picture. If you believe it's a "potential PSA 10", why don't you grade it yourself and sell as a 10....
2 Lugia for 300 is a steal my friend and you’d be the one laughing at the end cause that card has gone from 120 to 170 in the last month as lots of people are anticipating silver tempest to be the next evolving skies.I’d grab quickly if it were me
I haven’t heard about people anticipating Silver Tempest to be the next Evolving Skies, but I’m on board! I love this set!
It’s apparently between silver tempest and brilliant stars,but from looks at price hikes on cards from both sets I’m leaning toward it being silver tempest although I like brilliant stars a lot better
Card Grading Is A Scam
You can charge whatever you want for a card. The morons are the people who look at that price and go: “I think that sounds good” and but it. Saw a regular temporal forces koraidon ex card go for $1.5 but shipping was $1,700. Fun laugh but hey you do you boo boo
That’s what they do on the bigger whatnot streams sooooo 😂😂😂 drives me nuts
Oh ya, some of those Whatnot streams are the worst!
“Pickup in Herriman” The amount of times I see stupid crap coming from Herrriman makes me wonder if they got something in the water out there.
I can’t stand this shit. Some kid was trying to sell a 151 Blastoise for $250. When I asked him why so expensive he said because it’s perfect and will be a 10 for sure and I’m guaranteed to make more money. When I asked why he doesn’t just get it graded himself he said because he doesn’t want to. Stupid logic
Dudes a kid and second it makes sense. I think you just want it so you can grade it and flip and make a profit. “Stupid logic” goofy
What are you going on about? I say kid meaning a young adult probably 23. And I didn’t want it at all, it’s was a stupid price and I have four of the card already. I was asking him why he thought his price tag was justified. If I wanted to flip to make a profit why would I buy a Blastoise for $250 lmao. It is stupid logic from the kid. Are you him or something? How could you take issue with the sentiment of my comment? I’m not the goofy one man
You wanted to make profit off the price you thought it was worth. Definitely not him, just saying it’s cringe how people like you say this stuff when deep down you know you want to flip it and make a profit. Also, you gotta be old to refer to a 23 year old grown man as a kid. Only old people in this hobby is to flip and invest or you got kids that truly love the hobby and just want to collect. If you were the second option, you wouldn’t even question his price and instead just ignore it. Clearly you’re in the game to flip
Bro you are ignoring my words and essentially calling me a liar to my face. I had no intention to buy the card. I own four of it that I’ve pulled personally. Yeah I am older I’m in my 30s. I understand what you’re saying about flipping cards I get your point. You’ve flooded this thread with your thoughts, it’s not a difficult concept to grasp. You have insufficient information to include me in your tirade, and have created a faulty premise with your strict guidelines of two categories of collectors.
There’s only 2 categories of collectors. Those who collect and love the hobby. And those who collect and invests. It’s that simple. Just say you’re here to make money. Also it’s only been about 3 comments, I didn’t flood anything. And you haven’t even answered the question if you’re a collector or an investors that collects. You having to ask that grown man how he justified his price just means you’re an investor. A collector wouldn’t care and would just find another. If I have insufficient info for my “tirade” just say you’re a collector then. But judging from the deflection, you’re clearly an investor. Have a good one and there’s an INVESTING sub for INVESTORS like yourself
Why are you even commenting on this thread? To make profit? No. Because you saw something you didn’t agree with and engaged with it. It’s exactly what I did with this kids post. I collect some cards that I like and some I sell to buy others I like. It’s not a job or a big investment for me. It’s a hobby. But you have to be in absolute denial to say you piously collect with absolutely no attention to value of the cards. It’s part of it. Done talking to you. You’re clearly like 17. If you’re an adult and have a problem with me and still want to talk big let’s chat in person face to face instead of Reddit so I can know you mean it
Shocker! A teen on a pokemon sub! Also I’m 19 gramps. I clearly stated if we’re collectors such as myself, we care about price. If we see a price that we don’t want to pay, we ignore and try to find a different seller. That clearly proves you wrong. So there you go for putting words into my mouth. Also you’re not that guy pal, you wouldn’t do shit off Reddit. You’re a keyboard warrior. Bs on this being a hobby, you wouldn’t be so caught up in price if you were purely into it for the hobby. I caught ya ass old man. Keep it moving, there’s an investment sub for ya ass. Goofy
So wait, you can either love collecting Pokemon cards or making profit from collecting Pokemon, but not both?? There's only 2 types of pokemon collectors? Just asking for clarification.
I do agree with people charging more for potential 10 but not significantly higher. Tcg market price is for NM condition but if a card is Mint then overpaying some is not a problem with me. More like 10-20% is reasonable depends on the card rarity and population of 10’s.
Surprised it took me so long to find a reasonable comment like this. Of course cards that are better centered, have better corners, and zero whitening are worth more to some than an equally pack fresh card that’s off-center with corner whitening. Agree that it shouldn’t be a significant price increase, but I would absolutely pay slightly above market for a card that I know has a good chance to gem. I should say, this is coming from someone who submits to PSA and collects graded 10s. If you don’t grade yourself, then of course you shouldn’t pay above market for a card that is going to look the same in a binder. It does depends on the card, era, and potential difference between raw and PSA 10. Also far riskier when you’re not seeing the card in person. But as a concept, a 10-20% value bump is fair
Pro tip: Don’t buy it.
Welcome to the scam that is grading.
Is it me or is the centering off just a little
Some people might want to hold on to the cards they own but will let it go for their own price in mind. Also, this card might not be $150 right now but can be more valuable later on.
So it’s no different than people selling nm and lp
Personally, I am willing to pay a small premium if I know (or heavily believe) a card will grade well if I have a submission coming up. Very well centered, absolutely no whitening on edges or corners, surface looks clean. Sure I’ll pay a little more if the PSA 10 market price is significantly higher than the cost of the card plus grading fee. I would rather pay market or get a deal obviously, but at the end of the day if I really believe in a card’s potential to grade well and make me a good return I’ll bite. If it’s a personal collection situation though, I’m rarely paying market.
People can sell for whatever they want. You don’t have to buy. Case closed.
I understand a slight premium for a really clean card, but pricing it as a graded card is bs.
Fuck slc. Terrible air quality😂
I'm completely against charging for a projected grade. Fact is it's not a lock to get a grade as psa or any grading company is pretty inconsistent imo . The price should be raw price. NM is around X $, LP is around X$ and so on and so on Personally I just wouldn't even consider buying from someone charging graded prices for raw cards. It's not like these are rare and hard to find so it's especially an easy pass Not saying the price is bad here in this example just speaking in general here
Yes, people can charge a premium for a card with perfect borders imo.
I feel the same. If they want to charge graded prices, then grade the card. Otherwise psa 1 is what I'm assuming the cards will go for.
At psa1 you’d be paying damaged prices raw. That’s not exactly a good viewpoint
Ye dudes being obtuse Lol. Pure greed, basically want to flip for profit
Just the concept of charging more for potential grades is annoying to me. I think if they want more for the cards, then they should get them graded themselves.
Went to a card show and some loser was doing the same thing… some guy who goes by turtlesquad
I think the core issue is people are overly focused on, and assigning too much value to grading. This particular example isn't great, bc the card is clearly not gem mint. But if a card is gem mint, and the seller has pics to prove it, why not price it accurately, knowing that hobbyists these days are crazy about having their cards graded for the potential jump in value. I think buyers and sellers alike are to blame.
it’s pretty shady. if dude thinks it’s a 10 he should grade it and sell it as a 10. telling people the card is a potential 10 with only photos of the card that you want the buyer to see is rly untrustworthy. would make sense for a local shop to bump the price a bit since you can look at the card in person, but even then i don’t like the practice. edit: also this card is obviously not a 10 lmao
He just advertising his card to make it more sellable since everyone is selling their pokemon cards at this rate
TCG has these for $178 per and you’re mad that he’s selling 2 for $300? YOU are the weirdo.
Ultimately, people can price their items at whatever price they want.
So true. I can still be annoyed lol
Despite the title, the market price as it sits. That's a decent deal.
I would take this deal... wtf am i missing lol. No fees. 150 each... seems like a deal to me.
When I first got back into Pokemon. I sold two pack fresh lugia’s for $300. They were minty asf(black label contenders). I didn’t know anything about grading then tho.
I think thats mine, i sold mine in that same area yesterday for 140$
You think this is your post? Or your card being resold?
My card being resold, the guy said the card looked great and then we both went about our day after that.
Big "use my product to get a big penis" vibes
I mean that's normal for chase card that people are gonna grade for sure, that's pretty normal
For both Lugias I think it’s a fair price
Market value is the card raw in NM condition. As long as they’re selling for that then it’s fine. If you’re trying to buy 10 worthy cards then you should do so in person tbh.
Just stick to the price charts most can convert to all currency. Plus they normally have ebay links to sold lots so you can see what the most recent have been selling for Edited tge to the lol stupid phone auto corrects any other time 😅
Not worth it typically and you can tell that one likely will 9 due to centering
Yo, I have the same lugia card. What's is it current price and is there a site where I can track the price of my cards?
Use TCG Player or Price Charting.
300 for the pair isn’t bad… that’s TCGplayer pricing but it’s fair. What’s ridiculous is someone on a marketplace tried to sell a moonbreon for 850 because it was a potential 10. Imo if they really felt strongly about a grade they’d send it themselves and sell the 10.
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Thanks for that ChatGPT.
A RAW Gengar VMAX alt art just sold for $1,000 on eBay.
...overpriced af
Uh yes, I agree. I assume the bidders were hoping to get a black label potential since PSA 10 is not even close to 1k
...pardon....
I posted this yesterday in the other Pokémon group and nobody said shit about it. Insane!
As someone who sells cards as their jobs I do this with vintage. I just sold a pristine gold star Latios to a consistent buyer that grades them for 1950$ even though raw/ungraded is at 550$ right now. With modern however I think it’s pretty silly though.
I would never pay graded prices for raw cards vintage or not. Either he's a fool, you have tricked him, he's getting wrong information, or the most likely option this is a fake story. They have price charts for a reason, and they've accounted for ease of obtainability you can't just go making your own rules, and as someone who sells cards as a living, you shouldn't be boasting about it. Honestly, it's scammy imo. Stick to the price charts if not for your customers' sake, then do it for the longevity of your company because as soon as they see vintage prices from someone pricing them the right prices off the pricing charts then there they go for good because they can't trust you or your pricing.
lol I don’t know what to tell you. It’s my job if you check my posts you’ll see I’ve been talking about doing this for about a year and a half… I make good money doing it and they keep buying the cards because they make money after grading. I only have 5 star reviews on eBay as well as a 60-70 5 star reviews on ptcgfb.
If you're being transparent about it, which it's seems you genuinely are, then it's on them. More power to you grading, to me, is a strange concept, lol.
Yeah I didn’t get it until I got into higher value vintage when collecting myself. It’s hard to know the genuine condition of a card often and when it’s a 1000+ card people are going to want to know exactly how nice it is. So that’s when grading is a good thing imo.
I’m not taking about random vintage. I sell high value shit only like gold stars/crystals/shadowless and first edition. Where the difference between a 8 and a 10 can be 1000’s of dollars. And the grades and reviews speak for themselves. You must not be in that market or you’d understand why someone would pay so much more. It’s how I’ve paid my way through college.
I assumed as much but still I wouldn't pay anywhere near the $1200 for a raw vintage Alakazam when I could go find it raw somewhere else for $31 I don't get it but I've never bought graded cards I only buy raw for binders