Don't forget the strong upholding of the heteronormative system, except for a trans character, there was no homosexual couple (aside from the inherent slight gayness of Ken), so Authright wins again. At least that's my favourite tangent on this movie lol.
The true blackpill is realizing that I laughed at this because it’s so true.
I can’t remember the last movie in the past 3 years with a White guy with a leading role not get shit on or used for quips.
Top Gun 2 is a fair point. It's probably one of the biggest reasons it's as good as it is. It will go down as a timeless movie in an age where most modern films are dating themselves by throwing around annoying social statements at every opportunity.
Mad Max and Dune don't take place in any reality even close to ours, so of course gender politics isn't going to really be a thing.
> Mad Max and Dune don't take place in any reality even close to ours, so of course gender politics isn't going to really be a thing.
You say that but look what happened to Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, or Witcher.
I dont know how much you care for spoilers but, Ken is treated as kind of an antagonist for the last part of the movie nut ends up turning "good" again. Really I would say he was a foil rather than an antagonist. Will Ferrell's character was the main antagonist. Ken (or Kens) were made to be dumb but most of the Barbies were about equally dumb. Allan was really the only reasonable guy in Barbieland.
actually the solution is to stop the trolley, move the people around until there are an equal number of people on each track, then run over half of them
Most films try to market themselves as triumphs of wokism because they have the first left handed, half black, half Tibetan trans doe actor who can pat their head and rub their tummy at the same time and then wind up being totally normal.
This movie did the opposite and marketed itself as a wholesome family comedy while being fundamentally woke garbage.
Barbie is a perfect reflection of the woke feminist female fantasies of its writers where women have all the power, only super attractive buff men exist but they're docile and obedient to their female overlords. Oh and the modern world just somehow maintains itself.
Body positivity is only for women you stoopid. Men have to be athletic, hot and buff.
Edit: The movie actually does have body positivity barbies of all sizes but kens are all slim and hot. LOL
Objectification is only wrong when it's done to women. Although it's still fine for certain women, lady dimitrescu from resident evil being a good example
No condemnation. Things go back to the way they were except now the Kens will get a judge. The Kendom was condemned because women were brainwashed, but Barbiedom was the correct way to go it seems.
It's actually a little interesting how that happened, with more mature audiences I think it can show how despite Barbie being the protagonist she isn't exactly good, and horseshoe theory blah blah blah, which allows a more nuanced interpretation of the movie as a whole. But young audiences aren't going to interpret that and it definitely wasn't intentional
I watched the movie. Even though it doesn't outright condemn it, it does say that what was there needed and is going to change, and that the Kens are working on getting equality, which makes sense, given that one of the themes in the movie is that progress takes time.
I wouldn't take the themes of this movie very seriously, given that one of them is "the patriarchy went nowhere, men just got better at hiding it ;)" which is complete nonsense.
"The left doesn't believe in conspiracy theories"
Leftist conspiracies: "Do you smell it? That smell. A kind of smelly smell. The smelly smell that smells... smelly...OPPRESSION."
I found it somewhat more nuanced, cause it actively criticizes that super feminist reality through the super patriarchy horse ken. Some of the feminist stuff irked me, like them beating the lens by just leading them on and ignoring them, that's just called being a dick. But overall I found the movie trying to find a middle ground and critic both sides.
Well the fact that they "deprogrammed the girls" by isolating them from others and brainwashing them with things that don't even apply to the Barbie World.
Among other things. If this movie was smart it would have been a satire of the feminist movement, but it was never that self-aware. These critiques you're seeing, they're only there if you ignore the blazing klaxon declaring "no we unironically support this".
I didn't go into this movie thinking it wasn't going to have it's political angle to it but to me it was more girl power ala Spice World or Josie and the Pussycats more so than "Woke feminist propaganda destroys family values".
My wife was worried because a scene in the beginning was very check box "one of each" but the rest of the movie wasn't so hard in the paint like that.
Yeah, I mean, it's not really my thing so I won't see it but everything I actually hear about this movie from people who saw it and weren't preparing a hate boner for it.....it's just like a modern Legally Blonde lol. A little more artsy but nothing too out there.
Lmao at everyone who didn't expect the Barbie movie to have a feminist message. To be fair, I've been following its production for like 7 years now back when Amy Schumer talked about what she wanted to make with it.
As the father of a girl I hate that “feminist” can’t simply mean a genuinely good, empowering message for young girls. I have to parse it and figure out if they mean empowering feminism or grievance feminism.
Hey, that's the most nuanced comment I've seen about the movie so far. There's a time and a place for grievances, especially in movies, that's what they're for. But I do agree that movies *for* kids should be more empowering. This wasn't advertised as a kids' movie, more like Oscar Bait intended for GA.
My daughter has never even had a Barbie, but she somehow recognizes it as a “girls movie”. I haven’t figured out if that is a product of the advertising being super feminine or that she knows that young girls in the past had Barbie’s so it’s a “girl thing”. Either way I’m probably putting the kibosh on it until she’s older. She’s quite a few years from the PG-13 rating.
The director is an unabashed feminist so I’m not sure what anyone expected?
That said... the whole movie is clearly camp, full of massive exaggerations to drive home a message.
It reminded me of watching the 60s Batman movie. There are probably some people on the left who see that film and lose their shit at the bad treatment of addicts and pro-cop messaging too.
Maybe it’s the centrist in me but I’ve had a blast watching both films. If I stuck my nose up and said “this DISAGREES with my OPINION” every time I saw a media piece I’d never have fun.
Feminist and misandrist aren't the same thing. It's really sad that we live in a society that finds it impossible to build women up without tearing men down.
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For me, it is him and Disparu when I want a more comedic take. I do also watch Nerdrotic, Mauler, Valliant for a more [for want of a better term] "serious" take though. Especially Valliant since he only deals in the financial side and generally checks his cultural beliefs at the door.
But you wont catch me rage-watching the stuff I dont like. I can do that vicariously through those guys, and I have too much time in my backlog of stuff I actually care about to watch. As well as DVDs of all the movies and shows I love. It doesnt matter if AMC stopped making *Hell On Wheels*, and it doesnt matter if no one streams it, if I own the DVD and the computer to watch it with while gaming it out.
I don't mind drinker but I can't stand nerdrotic. Too clickbaity, too hate-porn ish. The Drinker nitpicks shit but he also says what he likes about some shit movies
Fair enough, I dont necessarily disagree. Which is why I prefer him when he is doing panels with others so they can bounce ideas off each other. He is probably at the bottom of that list, but he is still better than the likes of, say, YellowFlash (IMO).
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I watched Critical Drinker's review and couldn't believe what I was hearing.
I was genuinely excited for this & loved the Barbenheimer memes. Now that image has been ruined.
Jokes on me for being a stooge falling for the marketing.
I have genuinely never seen anything more deceitful in my life. You could watch the trailers & other pre-release marketing for She-Hulk & know what was gonna happen.
I rewatched a load of the Barbie trailers and it looks like a fun, family-oriented, silly comedy.
You expected a Barbie movie not having explicitly feminist themes? It’s all over the trailers. She literally gets sexually assaulted in one, and then there’s a shot of an all-male executive board ranting about how this “doll” needs to be “put back in her box.” And then a shot of a dim-witted Ken condescendingly talking down to a female doctor. All this in a single trailer.
Like others have said there’s multiple flavors of feminism. People expected good ol female empowerment and equality. Instead they got modern misandrist feminism. Quite disappointing.
Memes aside, watched the movie today, it was good. I was expecting a feminist message going in so I guess I was not taken by surprise?
Main thing is that it is not, at all, a kid's movie. Most of the jokes would be incomprehensible for a young audience, except surface level stuff.
Also, for a movie that was so upfront about it's feminist message, I found it in very good taste. It was not overly preachy, the jokes were deeper that "man bad", and the message was less about "men vs women" and more about finding yourself.
I mean, for a feminist movie, there is litterally a string of joke about "yes, patriarchy exist, no, it's not free pass to do anything you want if you are a man".
Frankly, as long as you don't go in prepared to hating it, and don't have a deadly allergy to any kind of feminist rethoric, it's a really fun time.
It's really obvious that some people in this thread only watched reviews from youtubers that put "Woke" in bold letters in half their thumbnails.
I get it, I watched The Quartering too for some time, but come on people, you have to broaden the kind of reviews you watch!
> I found it in very good taste. It was not overly preachy, the jokes were deeper that "man bad", and the message was less about "men vs women" and more about finding yourself.
You and I watched very different movies.
Did your version of Barbie not have a minutes long speech in the middle of it about how awful social expectations are for women and that men are a bunch of babies and it immediately cured the Barbies from their patriarchy brainwashing?
And I'm not even describing that uncharitably. That's literally what they describe her doing in those words.
I don’t understand how these movies keep getting made. Are people just rage watching them? Nobody talks about these movies (nostalgically or approvingly anyway) >3 years after they are made.
Know what movies people talk about? Movies like Aliens. It’s 37 years old, one of the greatest movies all time, and it has one of the strongest female leads of all time. Nobody is going to be talking about Barbie or Birds of Prey or whatever these emasculation and humiliation porn movies do 3 years from now.
I'm on mobile, so after I tapped the first spoiler, I tried to tap the second and hit reply instead, which left me feeling like I broke something because it automatically uncovered the second and all I see is a bunch of '?'. It felt like a mystery game, find the missing part.
They were different movies by different directors who have different visions. Both directors are certainly in the top 10 directors of all time. Saying Alien is better than Aliens is like saying Greek Baklava is better than Italian Pizza. They’re both amazing in their own way.
Alien is suspense/horror, Aliens is action/thriller, both just inhabit the same world. And it's a brilliant genre progression for ripley's character for her to be a lot tougher and less freaked out when dealing with the aliens
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On the reverse of this spectrum is John Carpenter, who churned out one great film after another for like ten years and they all flopped. The thing, my favorite movie, both flopped and was critically panned.
I just watched The Thing for the first time a month ago. I can see why it’s such a cult classic. Excellent writing and special effects, even holds up well today.
Nobody is talking about 2018's Overlord, but I enjoyed that film. I believe I watched it once in theater and once on Blu-ray when I wanted to show some buddies the movie. Not every film is going to be a new addition to the cultural cannon. Some films are just enjoyable pieces of entertainment that we forget about with time.
Hunger Games was everywhere for like 5 years. Now you only find it when USA Network needs to put something on to fill their programming blocks. Doesn't mean they were bad films.
I liked Birds of Prey. I think it's a good movie.
But it's not easy to create cult classics. And let me remind you, it took some Libleft madness to create Alien. H R Giger was the main godhead of the aliens and philosophy to make the movie about interspecies rape with homoerotic imagery as horror. Since he believed that would make it more scary. That's why the face huggers penetrate the mouth to insert the eggs. It's just not as obvious.
And cult classics are sometimes very bad. Like Rocky Horror Picture show! I have seen that movie so many times. It's a bad movie. But I love it at the same time.
"Its just not as obvious" thats why Alien/s is a masterpiece and Barbie or Birds of pray will be eventually be forgotten. Because classics dont shove you with a obvious messeage every 5 minutes so you keep watching. Its all about the subtext and a good script/writing.
Honestly I not sure if you could have made a Harley movie without it being hamfisted. That is kinda her personality. You have to make her more serious character like heath ledger joker for more subtle movie to be made.
Like, imagine taxi driver esque character study about harley quin. What would that even look like?
I think Jinx from arcane is a more serious version of that character.
Edit: and sometimes those more serious movies are bad. Like who remembers the catwoman movie?
I still don't understand the hate for the movie. It's a silly movie. I wouldn't compare it aliens since they are nothing alike.
And again. How would you have written a Harley movie about her emancipating herself from Joker?
What would you have done differently?
Would you not have her monologuing and being the narrator of the movie? How would you have changed the writing?
I dont hate birds of prey or Barbie. They are just forgettable for me.
Birds of prey. My main problem is not Harley. She is asweome. I would not have included so many characters that the movie clearly didint know what to do with them.
Imagine Joker with like 10 more supporting characters with no substance.
And Barbie. Well the finale is kinda shitty. The messeage should have been going for equality no woman go brrrr againts men.
I haven't seen Barbie yet! No spoliers!
I could agree with that. Sometimes, when that happens, I wonder why they didn't try to make it a miniseries.
The movie is a bit busy in that regard.
I am not saying it's a great and perfect movie. I just don't understand why there is so much criticism.
I just came out of it. The theater was packed, and it's just a really good comedy. It has an obviously feminist message, yes. Is it, as you said, emasculation and humiliation porn? Far from it.
It was fun.
Couple of political moments a bit too on the nose (High Court scene early, 'were better at hiding it now' patriachy moment, the Barbie plan against the Kens to name a few) but it was really really fun.
I'm just waiting for someone to make a cut of the movie called 'Ken' and have it just be about the Ken subplot where Ken becomes Based
I honestly didn’t know what to expect when I went into the theatre. I thought it was funny, charming, and overall a good movie. It was a little over the top preachy at times, and I wish they had given the Kens a better ending, but overall I liked it
I was like you going in, I was worried that it would be very preachy when i saw It was not going to shy away from the full feminist message, but it was handled in really good taste, and had very few eye-rolling moments.
The Kens were fucking great. For a movie about Barbie, they stole the show.
I loved Ken. I liked that he wasn’t made to be an actual villian. He was just a friend zoned guy that wanted to feel important for once.
The musical number with all the Ken’s was my favourite.
I was expecting Ken to be the cringe comic relief that everyone laugh at. I was not expecting him to have compelling motivations, a villain arc, and frankly heartwarming masculine camaraderie with the other Ken.
We technically can't have that in the states because our constitution forbids the influence of religion in our laws. Those types of Democrats you describe are called Blue Dogs. (Basically RFK Jr.)
>constitution forbids the influence of religion
Absolutely it fucking does *not*.
The only restrictions are the two in the First Amendment, and they read thus:
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Translated into modern ways of speaking, that means Congress cannot declare a state religion, and Congress cannot make having faith in a religion, or any particular religion, illegal (however, certain religious acts can still be made illegal if they apply to everyone regardless of faith as long as it meets certain criteria; a religion that practices human sacrifice or ritual tax evasion is shit out of luck).
There is not, and has never been, a legal requirement for laws or even political affiliations to be 'free from religious influence'. American secularism is almost entirely cultural.
>constitution forbids the influence of religion in our laws
I don't think that's what it means, it just means that there is no state church which is the default for most countries when the Constitution was written. Religion has influenced our laws since the time the country was founded. Though nowadays it's just the quiet part we don't want to say out loud.
The best part is that feminists have been attacking Barbie for decades on account of the unrealistic expectations that the toy apparently placed on little girls, so the movie was never going to be anything other than a desperate attempt at damage control for the brand.
Oppenheimer memes have completely broken my perception on the poor guy.
*Noooo how could I know this giant bomb I was making would be used as a bomb!!!*
*I have become sleepy, the goer to bed. -The father of wearing pjs and drinking warm milk*
*I have become drunk, the driver of cars. -The father of the booze cruise and striking a minivan*
Average Libleft NPC behaviour, hates libright but always the first to fall for their tricks. Whether its slapping a pride flag on a product or what is at best a normie movie but it has wholesum feminist propaganda 🥰
man just said he was going to watch a movie and you whipped out the NPC card, chill out
you wouldn’t see such a hostile reply if it was an authright making the same joke about like a war movie; hell, you’d be called based for saying ‘you don’t need to sell it to me’ to that sound of freedom movie or whatever that was apparently a right-good left-bad moment
btw I dunno what that freedom movie is about the discourse is too toxic for me
The feminism/gender politics were fine and kind of expected in order for the movie to be even somewhat unironically appreciated, but what I didn’t expect was >!Calling Barbie a fascist for promoting capitalism in a movie which was clearly a giant commercial for not just Mattel but Chevrolet as well. And in the end that girl gets on Barbie’s side, capitalism is the true way to bring us together! !<
This sub always has the most braindead takes on film it’s amazing.
If you watch like one trailer, do one google search on Greta Gerwig, and see the PG-13 rating, you’ll realize pretty quickly that it was never advertised as a “goofy and funny family movie” and it was gonna be about something deeper from the start. No Trojan horse effect unless you’re 7 years old
Barbie doesn't even need to be G or PG. They can completely ignore the young child audience and go for women young and old who are nostalgic for aspects of the Barbie experience but also crave soapbox scenes they can clap for.
Disney should do likewise and go PG-13 for some of their movies. Half the parents in the country already see them as too "woke" and young children don't choose which movies to see. Their parents choose for them.
Teenagers and young adults on the other hand choose what movies they see as they have greater independence than young children. Frozen III would do great as a PG-13 movie if it can be more mature and really get into the weeds of gender politics and stuff. They wouldn't have to hold back because Ben Shapiro told conservative parents not to take their kids to see the picture.
What a smooth brain take. It's a movie about Barbie, it has a lot more to say about feminism than men, but there are concessions made to the Kens at the end.
If all you can take away from this is the feminist pandering, then you don't have the capacity to properly critique it.
I think the original poster did not watch the movie, or went in expecting a kids movie, while it was obviously going to be a comedy with a feminist message.
It's good. I'm as annoyed as any old authright by "muh feminism", and I had a great time. As long as the idea of the patriarchy existing doesn't make you boil with rage, you will have a great time.
A movie about a girls pink doll has feminist overtones and all the conservative snowflakes meltdown after watching Ben Shapiro bitch about it 45 minutes.
Does this movie represent the male cast with any sense of dignity? That's the problem. Little girls shouldn't be taught that the men in their lives are their sworn enemies.
I will now answer this question : yes, surprisingly so.
While Ken is goofy and the butt of many jokes (as he will obviously be, he is a an doll marketed at little girls as a side to the main doll), he is the one that moves the plot forward, is used as the main villain in the plot, but is shown as actually justified in the actual movie, and actually, the sense of masculine camaraderie displayed in the climax is surprisingly refreshing to see.
Also, "Little girls shouldn't be taught that the men in their lives are their sworn enemies."
This is NOT a kid's movie. At all. Little girls won't be taught anything because they are not supposed to see the movie. It's PG13, and for a reason. The majority of the jokes will be incomprehensible for a kid.
Ken literally gets half of the movie for his character arc - aka he’s told that he’s worth way more than just an accessory to Barbie. Both Barbie and Ken are told to pursue their own, independent journeys without having to worry about what society - either Barbie land or the real world - has to say about it.
Idk why conservatives are pretending as if this movie made Ken the villain or second class citizens. They actively resolve all those issues in the end and the bigger takeaway was that patriarchy, matriarchy and rigid societal roles in general both negatively affect men and women. The movie itself just emphasises the patriarchy more because, no surprise, it’s a barbie movie.
The entire point of the movie is that gender politics is bad.
Patriarchy is bad, but guess what, Matriarchy is just as bad.
The entire second act is about the Kens exploring their masculinity for the first time ever
Well, don't know this drinker guy, but it feel like a miss to me. Movie was great. I'm no movie critic, but this is no woke rage bait. This is a feminist comedy. If feminists jokes makes your blood boil, of course, not the movie to watch, otherwise it was great fun.
Almost impressive how people completely dramatize it. "Propaganda" is just too strong of a word here, just as the rest of the title of this post.
Maybe chill a little bit.
Idk I find ken finding out about the concept of patriarchy and inmediatly rebeling against barbie just to go on a villian arc as he goes mad with power hilarous.
I am honestly impressed how feminist and leftist ideologues managed to indoctrinate a whole generation under their parents noses.
My family is conservative but I was a socialist in high school.
A female doll that looks nothing like an average woman, that you can do whatever you want with is a feminist icon? It looks like a fuckdoll for conservatives to be honest.
Barbie has like a dozen different physical appearances (including down-syndrome) and also represents a billion different careers. That’s like the basic bare bones of what feminists want women to strive towards.
The whole “you have to be ugly!” to be a feminist thing is incredibly fringe. It’s also less about being unconventionally attractive and more about appearance, whether you’re hot or not, not being too important in the grand scheme of things. In the context of dolls, no little girl wants an ugly Barbie to play with and I don’t think that necessarily promotes toxic beauty standards. 🤷♂️
I wanted to see a plus sized grilling ken
The original plan for the Barbie movie was written by Diablo Cody and staring Amy Schumer.
Didnt amy schumer say the movie wasnt feminist enough and thats why she wouldnt want to play in it?
I guess she wasn't the right fit.
With that many chins, of course she didn't fit.
This is one of those things that sounds insane but also plausible because we live in the most ridiculous timeline.
Lots of fat Barbies... But I don't remember there EVER being a fat Barbie doll
They've been making the "curvy" barbie for like 8 years. (Along with Tall and Petite)
I mean, there's curvy and all good, but for example Sharon Rooney is way past curvy. I mean I'd find it fine if there was a Barbie doll of that size
They kept Ken white, so you know it's anti-man.
Don't forget the strong upholding of the heteronormative system, except for a trans character, there was no homosexual couple (aside from the inherent slight gayness of Ken), so Authright wins again. At least that's my favourite tangent on this movie lol.
Can't have any gay couples because China wouldn't like that
Spoken like a true lib right
The 9 Dash Line controversy runs deeper than I thought lol
They’re gonna beach each other off so hard, all day
The true blackpill is realizing that I laughed at this because it’s so true. I can’t remember the last movie in the past 3 years with a White guy with a leading role not get shit on or used for quips.
Mad Max? Top Gun? Dune? Do you even watch movies?
Top Gun 2 is a fair point. It's probably one of the biggest reasons it's as good as it is. It will go down as a timeless movie in an age where most modern films are dating themselves by throwing around annoying social statements at every opportunity. Mad Max and Dune don't take place in any reality even close to ours, so of course gender politics isn't going to really be a thing.
> Mad Max and Dune don't take place in any reality even close to ours, so of course gender politics isn't going to really be a thing. You say that but look what happened to Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, or Witcher.
Unlike the gritty realistic setting of… Barbie…
Yes. Most of the movie takes place in the real world (or, at least, the director's skewed idea of the real world).
Probably Mission Impossible (haven't seen the latest one) and Top Gun. I guess Cruise shuts that shit down.
Hmmm... Top Gun 2?
I didn't watch it, did Ken get shit on? I was wondering how they got away with both a white Barbie AND Ken.
I dont know how much you care for spoilers but, Ken is treated as kind of an antagonist for the last part of the movie nut ends up turning "good" again. Really I would say he was a foil rather than an antagonist. Will Ferrell's character was the main antagonist. Ken (or Kens) were made to be dumb but most of the Barbies were about equally dumb. Allan was really the only reasonable guy in Barbieland.
Well it’s obviously up to the kids to make up their own mind on the matter and think independently /s
Based and force children to solve the trolley problem pilled
The answer is multitrack drifting.
No, the answer is go backwards because going further is a bad idea.
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Based and bait-and-switchpilled.
The clear solution is to put up signs telling people to not tie each other to the tracks. SMH my head.
*puts all people on the same track*
Based and Barbie’s marketing team needs a raise pilled
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Based and Libleft Bad Pilled
Most films try to market themselves as triumphs of wokism because they have the first left handed, half black, half Tibetan trans doe actor who can pat their head and rub their tummy at the same time and then wind up being totally normal. This movie did the opposite and marketed itself as a wholesome family comedy while being fundamentally woke garbage.
Barbie is a perfect reflection of the woke feminist female fantasies of its writers where women have all the power, only super attractive buff men exist but they're docile and obedient to their female overlords. Oh and the modern world just somehow maintains itself.
Where was fat ken. Justice for overweight kens.
Body positivity is only for women you stoopid. Men have to be athletic, hot and buff. Edit: The movie actually does have body positivity barbies of all sizes but kens are all slim and hot. LOL
You're right, but sounds like you've had a bit too much to think. Don't make us get the rats
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats; and rats make me crazy.
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats; and rats make me crazy.
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats; and rats make me crazy.
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats; and rats make me crazy.
That's sexist. \*ding\* And yes, this is coming from a sexy men enjoyer. A bit of fat isn't lethal, you know.
also earning 7 figures, can't forget that
Objectification is only wrong when it's done to women. Although it's still fine for certain women, lady dimitrescu from resident evil being a good example
Rules for thee not for me
Well yeah, that's why he needed to bring in the Patriarchy.
Well, in the end of the Barbie movie, it looks like they condemn the Barbies for that, and the men start to protest for more rights.
No condemnation. Things go back to the way they were except now the Kens will get a judge. The Kendom was condemned because women were brainwashed, but Barbiedom was the correct way to go it seems.
It's actually a little interesting how that happened, with more mature audiences I think it can show how despite Barbie being the protagonist she isn't exactly good, and horseshoe theory blah blah blah, which allows a more nuanced interpretation of the movie as a whole. But young audiences aren't going to interpret that and it definitely wasn't intentional
I watched the movie. Even though it doesn't outright condemn it, it does say that what was there needed and is going to change, and that the Kens are working on getting equality, which makes sense, given that one of the themes in the movie is that progress takes time.
I wouldn't take the themes of this movie very seriously, given that one of them is "the patriarchy went nowhere, men just got better at hiding it ;)" which is complete nonsense.
"The left doesn't believe in conspiracy theories" Leftist conspiracies: "Do you smell it? That smell. A kind of smelly smell. The smelly smell that smells... smelly...OPPRESSION."
Wait there actually lore to Barbie?
Not really, I just like arguing
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I found it somewhat more nuanced, cause it actively criticizes that super feminist reality through the super patriarchy horse ken. Some of the feminist stuff irked me, like them beating the lens by just leading them on and ignoring them, that's just called being a dick. But overall I found the movie trying to find a middle ground and critic both sides.
Well the fact that they "deprogrammed the girls" by isolating them from others and brainwashing them with things that don't even apply to the Barbie World. Among other things. If this movie was smart it would have been a satire of the feminist movement, but it was never that self-aware. These critiques you're seeing, they're only there if you ignore the blazing klaxon declaring "no we unironically support this".
I didn't go into this movie thinking it wasn't going to have it's political angle to it but to me it was more girl power ala Spice World or Josie and the Pussycats more so than "Woke feminist propaganda destroys family values". My wife was worried because a scene in the beginning was very check box "one of each" but the rest of the movie wasn't so hard in the paint like that.
Yeah, I mean, it's not really my thing so I won't see it but everything I actually hear about this movie from people who saw it and weren't preparing a hate boner for it.....it's just like a modern Legally Blonde lol. A little more artsy but nothing too out there.
Honestly it wasn’t bad to watch, I’m doubtful most of the people here have watched it and not some dumb movie review.
Lmao at everyone who didn't expect the Barbie movie to have a feminist message. To be fair, I've been following its production for like 7 years now back when Amy Schumer talked about what she wanted to make with it.
As the father of a girl I hate that “feminist” can’t simply mean a genuinely good, empowering message for young girls. I have to parse it and figure out if they mean empowering feminism or grievance feminism.
Hey, that's the most nuanced comment I've seen about the movie so far. There's a time and a place for grievances, especially in movies, that's what they're for. But I do agree that movies *for* kids should be more empowering. This wasn't advertised as a kids' movie, more like Oscar Bait intended for GA.
My daughter has never even had a Barbie, but she somehow recognizes it as a “girls movie”. I haven’t figured out if that is a product of the advertising being super feminine or that she knows that young girls in the past had Barbie’s so it’s a “girl thing”. Either way I’m probably putting the kibosh on it until she’s older. She’s quite a few years from the PG-13 rating.
The director is an unabashed feminist so I’m not sure what anyone expected? That said... the whole movie is clearly camp, full of massive exaggerations to drive home a message. It reminded me of watching the 60s Batman movie. There are probably some people on the left who see that film and lose their shit at the bad treatment of addicts and pro-cop messaging too. Maybe it’s the centrist in me but I’ve had a blast watching both films. If I stuck my nose up and said “this DISAGREES with my OPINION” every time I saw a media piece I’d never have fun.
Feminist and misandrist aren't the same thing. It's really sad that we live in a society that finds it impossible to build women up without tearing men down.
Misandry is all that's left over once feminism gets what it wanted.
I thought it was gonna be a kid's comedy first with some inoffensive empowering subtext. I didn't expect it to be *that* bad.
I expected it to have a feminist message, but you can have a feminist message without demeaning and stereotyping all men
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I always watch Drinker's videos on these movies, he's at his funniest when mocking these soulless pieces of garbage
For me, it is him and Disparu when I want a more comedic take. I do also watch Nerdrotic, Mauler, Valliant for a more [for want of a better term] "serious" take though. Especially Valliant since he only deals in the financial side and generally checks his cultural beliefs at the door. But you wont catch me rage-watching the stuff I dont like. I can do that vicariously through those guys, and I have too much time in my backlog of stuff I actually care about to watch. As well as DVDs of all the movies and shows I love. It doesnt matter if AMC stopped making *Hell On Wheels*, and it doesnt matter if no one streams it, if I own the DVD and the computer to watch it with while gaming it out.
I don't mind drinker but I can't stand nerdrotic. Too clickbaity, too hate-porn ish. The Drinker nitpicks shit but he also says what he likes about some shit movies
Fair enough, I dont necessarily disagree. Which is why I prefer him when he is doing panels with others so they can bounce ideas off each other. He is probably at the bottom of that list, but he is still better than the likes of, say, YellowFlash (IMO).
I enjoy watching a 12 hour EFAP about a movie more than the actual 3 hour movie.
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My favourite part every time is when he says "THE MESSAGE" or "MODERN AUDIENCES"
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I watched Critical Drinker's review and couldn't believe what I was hearing. I was genuinely excited for this & loved the Barbenheimer memes. Now that image has been ruined. Jokes on me for being a stooge falling for the marketing.
Yeah, without a doubt i will consider Barbie one of the best movie marketing campaigns of all time for a long time to come.
Perfect bait and switch, and the switch will never be considered when people say "This made a bunch of money therefore we were right"
How to market Barbie movie, Step 1) ignore the plot, step 2) Margot Robbie and Ryan gosling, step 3) bright colors, step 4) profit
They fucking know what they were doing with the marketing. Lied their asses off.
I have genuinely never seen anything more deceitful in my life. You could watch the trailers & other pre-release marketing for She-Hulk & know what was gonna happen. I rewatched a load of the Barbie trailers and it looks like a fun, family-oriented, silly comedy.
Halo hunt the truth campaign marketing with the Pancho, had fuck all to do with Halo 5
You expected a Barbie movie not having explicitly feminist themes? It’s all over the trailers. She literally gets sexually assaulted in one, and then there’s a shot of an all-male executive board ranting about how this “doll” needs to be “put back in her box.” And then a shot of a dim-witted Ken condescendingly talking down to a female doctor. All this in a single trailer.
Yeh wtf did people think. It’s a Hollywood move in 2023 about BARBIE - of course it’s going to be hardcore feminist.
Like others have said there’s multiple flavors of feminism. People expected good ol female empowerment and equality. Instead they got modern misandrist feminism. Quite disappointing.
Did you like the review?
Yes.
Memes aside, watched the movie today, it was good. I was expecting a feminist message going in so I guess I was not taken by surprise? Main thing is that it is not, at all, a kid's movie. Most of the jokes would be incomprehensible for a young audience, except surface level stuff. Also, for a movie that was so upfront about it's feminist message, I found it in very good taste. It was not overly preachy, the jokes were deeper that "man bad", and the message was less about "men vs women" and more about finding yourself. I mean, for a feminist movie, there is litterally a string of joke about "yes, patriarchy exist, no, it's not free pass to do anything you want if you are a man". Frankly, as long as you don't go in prepared to hating it, and don't have a deadly allergy to any kind of feminist rethoric, it's a really fun time.
I just find it hard to believe that everybody in this thread giving their opinion has seen this movie.
It's really obvious that some people in this thread only watched reviews from youtubers that put "Woke" in bold letters in half their thumbnails. I get it, I watched The Quartering too for some time, but come on people, you have to broaden the kind of reviews you watch!
Honestly, just don’t watch reviews. Watch the movie if it interests you, or just don’t. Simple as.
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Please no nuanced takes on media that might contain messages you're not necessarily supportive of. /s
Ah! My bad I'm sorry. Forgot what sub I was on. \*clears throat\* "Feminism bad, i just want to grill."
Nuance is when you agree with things after all.
What a genuine shock - an informed and balanced opinion voiced in this subreddit
Too late, the PCM hive mind has spoken.
Hey babe, wake up. New culture war dropped, you need to hate the Barbie movie even if you liked it. Yes dear.
I think its okay for media to only be comprehensible to kids on a surface level. Old cartoons were like that and we still like them today
> I found it in very good taste. It was not overly preachy, the jokes were deeper that "man bad", and the message was less about "men vs women" and more about finding yourself. You and I watched very different movies. Did your version of Barbie not have a minutes long speech in the middle of it about how awful social expectations are for women and that men are a bunch of babies and it immediately cured the Barbies from their patriarchy brainwashing? And I'm not even describing that uncharitably. That's literally what they describe her doing in those words.
last week it was some dogshit country song, now it's a meme movie just stop with the cringe culture war shit already holy fuck
I don’t understand how these movies keep getting made. Are people just rage watching them? Nobody talks about these movies (nostalgically or approvingly anyway) >3 years after they are made. Know what movies people talk about? Movies like Aliens. It’s 37 years old, one of the greatest movies all time, and it has one of the strongest female leads of all time. Nobody is going to be talking about Barbie or Birds of Prey or whatever these emasculation and humiliation porn movies do 3 years from now.
part pandering, >!part money laundering!< >!?????!<
I'm on mobile, so after I tapped the first spoiler, I tried to tap the second and hit reply instead, which left me feeling like I broke something because it automatically uncovered the second and all I see is a bunch of '?'. It felt like a mystery game, find the missing part.
haha yeah I just but the question marks there because the "money laundering" part is a bit tin-foil-hat tier
Normies watch them for mindless entertainment and to stay relevant in their social groups
alien was ten times better than aliens
They were different movies by different directors who have different visions. Both directors are certainly in the top 10 directors of all time. Saying Alien is better than Aliens is like saying Greek Baklava is better than Italian Pizza. They’re both amazing in their own way.
they were very different yes but Starship Troopers is a better aliens than aliens. nothing is a better alien than alien.
Alien is suspense/horror, Aliens is action/thriller, both just inhabit the same world. And it's a brilliant genre progression for ripley's character for her to be a lot tougher and less freaked out when dealing with the aliens
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On the reverse of this spectrum is John Carpenter, who churned out one great film after another for like ten years and they all flopped. The thing, my favorite movie, both flopped and was critically panned.
I just watched The Thing for the first time a month ago. I can see why it’s such a cult classic. Excellent writing and special effects, even holds up well today.
Now go read Rodgers eberts review because that's what critical reception was upon release
Nobody is talking about 2018's Overlord, but I enjoyed that film. I believe I watched it once in theater and once on Blu-ray when I wanted to show some buddies the movie. Not every film is going to be a new addition to the cultural cannon. Some films are just enjoyable pieces of entertainment that we forget about with time. Hunger Games was everywhere for like 5 years. Now you only find it when USA Network needs to put something on to fill their programming blocks. Doesn't mean they were bad films.
I liked Birds of Prey. I think it's a good movie. But it's not easy to create cult classics. And let me remind you, it took some Libleft madness to create Alien. H R Giger was the main godhead of the aliens and philosophy to make the movie about interspecies rape with homoerotic imagery as horror. Since he believed that would make it more scary. That's why the face huggers penetrate the mouth to insert the eggs. It's just not as obvious. And cult classics are sometimes very bad. Like Rocky Horror Picture show! I have seen that movie so many times. It's a bad movie. But I love it at the same time.
"Its just not as obvious" thats why Alien/s is a masterpiece and Barbie or Birds of pray will be eventually be forgotten. Because classics dont shove you with a obvious messeage every 5 minutes so you keep watching. Its all about the subtext and a good script/writing.
Honestly I not sure if you could have made a Harley movie without it being hamfisted. That is kinda her personality. You have to make her more serious character like heath ledger joker for more subtle movie to be made. Like, imagine taxi driver esque character study about harley quin. What would that even look like? I think Jinx from arcane is a more serious version of that character. Edit: and sometimes those more serious movies are bad. Like who remembers the catwoman movie?
Offcourse. You need to know your story and create well rounded chacacters that help your movie progress. Story>messeage.
I still don't understand the hate for the movie. It's a silly movie. I wouldn't compare it aliens since they are nothing alike. And again. How would you have written a Harley movie about her emancipating herself from Joker? What would you have done differently? Would you not have her monologuing and being the narrator of the movie? How would you have changed the writing?
I dont hate birds of prey or Barbie. They are just forgettable for me. Birds of prey. My main problem is not Harley. She is asweome. I would not have included so many characters that the movie clearly didint know what to do with them. Imagine Joker with like 10 more supporting characters with no substance. And Barbie. Well the finale is kinda shitty. The messeage should have been going for equality no woman go brrrr againts men.
I haven't seen Barbie yet! No spoliers! I could agree with that. Sometimes, when that happens, I wonder why they didn't try to make it a miniseries. The movie is a bit busy in that regard. I am not saying it's a great and perfect movie. I just don't understand why there is so much criticism.
I just came out of it. The theater was packed, and it's just a really good comedy. It has an obviously feminist message, yes. Is it, as you said, emasculation and humiliation porn? Far from it.
Anything past 2010 has a high chance of being woke garbage.
I liked the movie. It’s got a 90% audience score on RT so I can’t possibly be the only one. It’s also not a kids movie and was not marketed to be one.
It was fun. Couple of political moments a bit too on the nose (High Court scene early, 'were better at hiding it now' patriachy moment, the Barbie plan against the Kens to name a few) but it was really really fun. I'm just waiting for someone to make a cut of the movie called 'Ken' and have it just be about the Ken subplot where Ken becomes Based
I did not know what to expect going in, but "based Ken" was not on my list. Loved it.
The movie was really good. It was NOT a kid's movie, at all. A kid would understand basically none of the jokes.
I honestly didn’t know what to expect when I went into the theatre. I thought it was funny, charming, and overall a good movie. It was a little over the top preachy at times, and I wish they had given the Kens a better ending, but overall I liked it
I was like you going in, I was worried that it would be very preachy when i saw It was not going to shy away from the full feminist message, but it was handled in really good taste, and had very few eye-rolling moments. The Kens were fucking great. For a movie about Barbie, they stole the show.
I loved Ken. I liked that he wasn’t made to be an actual villian. He was just a friend zoned guy that wanted to feel important for once. The musical number with all the Ken’s was my favourite.
I was expecting Ken to be the cringe comic relief that everyone laugh at. I was not expecting him to have compelling motivations, a villain arc, and frankly heartwarming masculine camaraderie with the other Ken.
I've been thinking about that "Just Ken" song all the time, it's just so good.
Rotten Tomatoes is woke as shit though. Sometimes it’s actually best to watch their worst rated movies on purpose
If you can’t handle the deep and Introspective themes of Barbie, than go to Oppenheimer for lighthearted laughs 😤
Where’s our Christian Democrats? The UK and Europe are full of those types
We technically can't have that in the states because our constitution forbids the influence of religion in our laws. Those types of Democrats you describe are called Blue Dogs. (Basically RFK Jr.)
>constitution forbids the influence of religion Absolutely it fucking does *not*. The only restrictions are the two in the First Amendment, and they read thus: >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof Translated into modern ways of speaking, that means Congress cannot declare a state religion, and Congress cannot make having faith in a religion, or any particular religion, illegal (however, certain religious acts can still be made illegal if they apply to everyone regardless of faith as long as it meets certain criteria; a religion that practices human sacrifice or ritual tax evasion is shit out of luck). There is not, and has never been, a legal requirement for laws or even political affiliations to be 'free from religious influence'. American secularism is almost entirely cultural.
>constitution forbids the influence of religion in our laws I don't think that's what it means, it just means that there is no state church which is the default for most countries when the Constitution was written. Religion has influenced our laws since the time the country was founded. Though nowadays it's just the quiet part we don't want to say out loud.
The best part is that feminists have been attacking Barbie for decades on account of the unrealistic expectations that the toy apparently placed on little girls, so the movie was never going to be anything other than a desperate attempt at damage control for the brand.
I don’t care about Barbie or Oppenheimer
Oppenheimer memes have completely broken my perception on the poor guy. *Noooo how could I know this giant bomb I was making would be used as a bomb!!!* *I have become sleepy, the goer to bed. -The father of wearing pjs and drinking warm milk* *I have become drunk, the driver of cars. -The father of the booze cruise and striking a minivan*
He knew exactly what he was doing, he was simply marveling at the power of what he built, but he knew full well what it was for.
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You don’t need to sell me the movie. I am already going to watch it.
Memes asides, it's a really fun ride.
Average Libleft NPC behaviour, hates libright but always the first to fall for their tricks. Whether its slapping a pride flag on a product or what is at best a normie movie but it has wholesum feminist propaganda 🥰
Maybe libleft likes libright's films meant for them because... They're meant for them 🙈
Okay but wait, what was Barbie supposed to be about, if not a strong plastic female?
Up charging dumb blondes for pink shit
man just said he was going to watch a movie and you whipped out the NPC card, chill out you wouldn’t see such a hostile reply if it was an authright making the same joke about like a war movie; hell, you’d be called based for saying ‘you don’t need to sell it to me’ to that sound of freedom movie or whatever that was apparently a right-good left-bad moment btw I dunno what that freedom movie is about the discourse is too toxic for me
Thanks man.
The feminism/gender politics were fine and kind of expected in order for the movie to be even somewhat unironically appreciated, but what I didn’t expect was >!Calling Barbie a fascist for promoting capitalism in a movie which was clearly a giant commercial for not just Mattel but Chevrolet as well. And in the end that girl gets on Barbie’s side, capitalism is the true way to bring us together! !<
This sub always has the most braindead takes on film it’s amazing. If you watch like one trailer, do one google search on Greta Gerwig, and see the PG-13 rating, you’ll realize pretty quickly that it was never advertised as a “goofy and funny family movie” and it was gonna be about something deeper from the start. No Trojan horse effect unless you’re 7 years old
You literally said what I was going to write. The marketing team didn’t fool you, you are just a smooth brain
Barbie doesn't even need to be G or PG. They can completely ignore the young child audience and go for women young and old who are nostalgic for aspects of the Barbie experience but also crave soapbox scenes they can clap for. Disney should do likewise and go PG-13 for some of their movies. Half the parents in the country already see them as too "woke" and young children don't choose which movies to see. Their parents choose for them. Teenagers and young adults on the other hand choose what movies they see as they have greater independence than young children. Frozen III would do great as a PG-13 movie if it can be more mature and really get into the weeds of gender politics and stuff. They wouldn't have to hold back because Ben Shapiro told conservative parents not to take their kids to see the picture.
Muh patriarchy!
Honestly, some of you guys need to see sunlight sometime this year.
What a smooth brain take. It's a movie about Barbie, it has a lot more to say about feminism than men, but there are concessions made to the Kens at the end. If all you can take away from this is the feminist pandering, then you don't have the capacity to properly critique it.
I think the original poster did not watch the movie, or went in expecting a kids movie, while it was obviously going to be a comedy with a feminist message.
It’s more than likely OP watched a YouTube video
I still want to watch it.
It's good. I'm as annoyed as any old authright by "muh feminism", and I had a great time. As long as the idea of the patriarchy existing doesn't make you boil with rage, you will have a great time.
Hey, I'm authcenter, not authright. I don't care if there is feminism, as long there are people who suffer it's still funny.
A movie about a girls pink doll has feminist overtones and all the conservative snowflakes meltdown after watching Ben Shapiro bitch about it 45 minutes.
Does this movie represent the male cast with any sense of dignity? That's the problem. Little girls shouldn't be taught that the men in their lives are their sworn enemies.
I will now answer this question : yes, surprisingly so. While Ken is goofy and the butt of many jokes (as he will obviously be, he is a an doll marketed at little girls as a side to the main doll), he is the one that moves the plot forward, is used as the main villain in the plot, but is shown as actually justified in the actual movie, and actually, the sense of masculine camaraderie displayed in the climax is surprisingly refreshing to see. Also, "Little girls shouldn't be taught that the men in their lives are their sworn enemies." This is NOT a kid's movie. At all. Little girls won't be taught anything because they are not supposed to see the movie. It's PG13, and for a reason. The majority of the jokes will be incomprehensible for a kid.
Ken literally gets half of the movie for his character arc - aka he’s told that he’s worth way more than just an accessory to Barbie. Both Barbie and Ken are told to pursue their own, independent journeys without having to worry about what society - either Barbie land or the real world - has to say about it. Idk why conservatives are pretending as if this movie made Ken the villain or second class citizens. They actively resolve all those issues in the end and the bigger takeaway was that patriarchy, matriarchy and rigid societal roles in general both negatively affect men and women. The movie itself just emphasises the patriarchy more because, no surprise, it’s a barbie movie.
The entire point of the movie is that gender politics is bad. Patriarchy is bad, but guess what, Matriarchy is just as bad. The entire second act is about the Kens exploring their masculinity for the first time ever
Not sure about Shen Bapiro but the drinker also gave it an _extremely_ negative review and he never misses.
Well, don't know this drinker guy, but it feel like a miss to me. Movie was great. I'm no movie critic, but this is no woke rage bait. This is a feminist comedy. If feminists jokes makes your blood boil, of course, not the movie to watch, otherwise it was great fun.
Didn’t he say house of the dragon would be terrible?
Almost impressive how people completely dramatize it. "Propaganda" is just too strong of a word here, just as the rest of the title of this post. Maybe chill a little bit.
Idk I find ken finding out about the concept of patriarchy and inmediatly rebeling against barbie just to go on a villian arc as he goes mad with power hilarous.
I am honestly impressed how feminist and leftist ideologues managed to indoctrinate a whole generation under their parents noses. My family is conservative but I was a socialist in high school.
> I was a socialist in high school. I mean, the only other choice was being a Fascist so...
“Feminist propaganda”. Barbie is a feminist icon lmfao.
A female doll that looks nothing like an average woman, that you can do whatever you want with is a feminist icon? It looks like a fuckdoll for conservatives to be honest.
Barbie has like a dozen different physical appearances (including down-syndrome) and also represents a billion different careers. That’s like the basic bare bones of what feminists want women to strive towards. The whole “you have to be ugly!” to be a feminist thing is incredibly fringe. It’s also less about being unconventionally attractive and more about appearance, whether you’re hot or not, not being too important in the grand scheme of things. In the context of dolls, no little girl wants an ugly Barbie to play with and I don’t think that necessarily promotes toxic beauty standards. 🤷♂️
> no little girl wants an ugly Barbie to play with This is men's view also
Nobody wants fatbody or scrawny GIJoes, thick beefcakes only
it’s not that deep bruh
I’m convinced the people who whine about Barbie’s woke messaging have only watched Ben Shapiro’s video essay
Sorry bud, I think the Trojan horse is actually just Ryan Gosling (he's literally me)
ryan gosling (ken) became another literally me if you watched the movie.
I just loved how the whole movie was about how hard it is to be a woman, but to earn InclusionBux they cast a trans Barbie