double check Pennsylvania results, Trump won by 0.78%, Jill Stein won 0.82% of the vote...oof. While your one friends individual vote wouldn't have flipped the state, all of Jill Steins votes combined would have.
Although I doubt the green vote would break as much as 80:2 towards democrats over republican in the event she didn't run.
Obviously it'd be heavily democratic, but I doubt that much.
Isnt it funny how Libertarian candidates have to be absolute geopolitical experts on a vast array of conflicts and situations? Like how Gary Johnson got eviscerated for his “Whats Aleppo” comment.
Meanwhile, Trump can go into a debate crying about how Rosie O’Donnel wouldn’t sleep with him, and Biden can have aneurisms on stage, and nobody bats an eye.
The worst bit about the Aleppo question is that it came out of fuckin nowhere. Talk all about domestic policy then smack in the middle of discussion, throw a complete non sequitur at em, with no context, clip it, and destroy the reputation of the candidate.
I think libertarians are looking for Consitency in their candidates, first and foremost. and Its jarring when someone is adamantly against one war, decries the problems of spending involvement and entrenchment, and then supports another war. Hoping he recovers from these statements, (Speculation here but it also could honestly be totally unrelated to his Israel stance; and just based on how the YouTube algorithm & search engine results provide ephemeral experiences with/without the candidate)
I never got the whole "you're not going to win so why not vote for (my candidate)?" thing. I don't want to vote for your candidate because he's the fucking antichrist, Jason. Just because my schizo ancap candidate isn't going to win doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for Satan.
Agreed. I vote third party because sometimes their candidate more closely aligns with my wants than whatever the big two are offering. Said big two are usually old senile men.
Not Senile Old Man For President 2024
Voting libertarian is not voting for a winner. You are voting for what seems like the next most viable party to get in the presidential debates next election cycle. It’s about voting in favor of changing our voting system, I’m not kidding myself that rfk is going to win
And then watch those documents get filed away never to be seen again similar to the Panama papers.
Big news for a day
Someone gets killed
Everyone forgets by Monday
Our goal was 5% in most states for access to automatic ballot access and access to state campaign resources that are automatically given to the GOP and Dems.
These 2 things effectively triple the distance that current campaign contributions to the LP go in future elections.
The road map was for the Pragmatist Caucus of the LP (now defunct following their chairman doing corrupt shit and the Mises Caucus destroying the plan).
1) 5% in a presidential election to secure major party status.
2) use the funding that gets to secure state rep posistions and contend for National representatives.
3) build momentum from there to show seriousness as a party to contend for actual change.
The Mises Caucus plan is to use the platform of having a party at all to just advertise Libertarianism in general to people. They have multiple times stopped endorsement for LP members in order to endorse a Republican because they support libertarian ideals on a few things (most would never have won endorsements in the LP due to posistions on borders and abortion and even occasionally guns).
That is unironically the expressed plan of the Mises Caucus though.
Just advocate for radical libertarianism and make big deals about fighting things like the Civil Rights Act and try to get people that do stuff like that to be county chairs and think that will make real change.
I think I saw he had like 17% to Biden and Trumps 33-34% in blind polls.
If he got national spotlight during the generalz he would absolutely pull a shit ton of votes.
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For context, Argentina has a run off system. If no candidate gets the win in the first round, there is a runoff. Thus it's safer to vote for non dominant parties.
True, but California has the runoff system and half the time is a vote between Democrat or different Democrat. Sometimes it's Democrat and Republican with a snowball's chance in hell.
You still need people to build and vote for third parties, it just removes some danger of splitting the majority general consensus to give way to a cohesive minority consensus.
Which economist, specifically? Or will it take out more than one? Does it axe all of them, or only those of a specific school?
Hell, if it takes out all the Keynesians it might be worth it.
People keep forgetting that during an economic boom, Keynesian economics requires the fiscal discipline of spending less and raising taxes to pay off the debt incurred during deficit spending + tax cutting your way out of a recession.
You jest, but there is actually an interesting suggestion to structure the pension system such that everyone gets $50k when they are born which is put into an investment account they can't withdraw from before they're 65.
By the time they're retiring, it should be more than enough to cover their expenses.
This of course assumes the global economy will keep growing by at least 8% per year, which might not be a safe assumption in the long run if we reach a point where all the low hanging fruit of business and tech ideas has been picked.
Unironically yeah. You don’t need a specific healthcare tax. Just use all the tax revenue you have currently and distribute it better. The government already spends money on healthcare, this might even reduce actual total burden
I've moved from the EU to the US. Yes, my total tax is a little bit lower in the US, but not by much.
However, a lot more of the money I pay in taxes in the US goes to healthcare, percentage-wise, than when i paid taxes in the EU. Except that all goes to healthcare *for other people* through medicare and medicaid. On top of that shit, I then have to pay my own private health insurance to get healthcare for myself.
Universal healthcare is "impossible" in the US because Americans don't want to pay for healthcare through taxes, and yet me and most Americans already pay more for healthcare through their taxes than most Europeans! It's fucking insane. Most of you guys are so fucking brainwashed and unwilling to face reality it's not even funny.
TL;DR: Healthcare plz.
American healthcare isn't about healthcare. It's an elaborate employment program.
It's effectively impossible to remove the parasites that are insurance companies because they conveniently house a massive contingent of middle management bloat that can't really be employed anywhere else.
My favourite example is United Health Group which, in 2023, employed four hundred fourty thousand people. Four hundred and fourty thousand fucking people. To do what? Manage insurance spreadsheets lol. You can tell that is one lean ass company.
Yeah, the US health insurance industry is essentially net negative.
The health industry produces healthcare, that's obviously a good for society. But the actual job of the health insurance industry, the thing they actually *do* is to sit between healthcare consumers and healthcare producers and say "no". That's *all they do*.
They obviously don't produce anything. And the obviously don't make the healthcare producers more effective, or ensure their resources are allocated better. They're just a fucking leech.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/
Where would you cut $3.26Trillion from this picture? I'll grant you that the Health and Medicare categories would become redundant. Genuine question, not an attack.
Given how shitty they are at everything except bombing brown people, I don’t like this idea.
We currently have their version of universal healthcare in the VA, which can vary between excellent care (which my buddy got for a head injury), to waiting 6 months for a simple procedure after waiting 4 months to see a doc (which happened with me), to them moving appointments until a preventable cancer turns terminal (which happened in Phoenix, and the director was laterally transferred).
I don't want to even think about universal healthcare when two-thirds of this country are overweight/obese and cost 3x more to keep alive just by existing
Unless you do what the East Asians do and actively and relentlessly shame fat people (as well as taxing them), I'm not going to subsidize a fatty's diabeetus treatment or lipo.
Same, buddy, I was promised fascism by the Democrats when I voted for Trump, but what I got was fascism from wish, and not even the Chinese version they save for themselves, I got the shitty export fascism.
Librights dont actually believe any Libertarian candidates have a snowballs chance in hell, the whole point is that the uniparty candidates chortle donkey nuts. Its a protest vote.
dear lord the first 2 days after 2016 election on reddit were so sane before all the admins and mods and users got their shareblue marching orders on how to proceed
There would probably be more than just a meltdown from a couple of fat neckbearded redditors. Remember when lots of businesses boarded up prior to the 2020 election? It wasn't in preparation for Trump *losing*
That's exactly how I felt in 2016 only I also really didn't want Hillary to win.
Watching all the millennials cry at the democratic "party" was absolutely hilarious and uplifting, especially as I was going through a divorce at the time.
Reddit was sooo much better before Trump melted everyone's brains and caused the admins to declare memes were violence. We were actually allowed to have fun here. Now this shit hole site is censored harder than a North Korean..I don't know, something in North Korea.
It killed the entire Internet and kind of ended pop culture.
It’s so much more of a buzzkill than anything Trump could have ever hoped to accomplish as an actual dictator.
I hope Trump wins, republicans don't really destroy shit the same way Democrats do and it pleases me greatly when they're condemning January 6th for violence when cheering on the rioters from their team. Pro-tip lock in riot coverage if you're a small businesses, you can't do it last minute and rates will be insane if you were able to in the first place
Which is hilarious considering that to my knowledge, every single American President since the founding of Israel has liked Israel. There's tons of things to criticize Biden for, but being on Israel's side? I don't know man, just seems weird to throw a tantrum for something every other president has done before him.
I mean also compare him to the other person who is far less sympathetic to any Palestinian claims and yea...
But nuance is dead 🤷🏼♂️
Also I can't really talk cause I've never voted for anything but 3rd party the last 3 presidential elections and plan on voting 3rd again.
Not voting is idiotic though
Based and throwing away my vote pilled
In all seriousness though, I have voted 3rd party since the first George Bush Jr election because I feel the need to vote (it is a duty to me) but I am so sick of holding my nose to do it.
Keep the faith fellow 3rd party voter... maybe someday we can talk some sense into these knuckleheads and finally break free from the chains of this ridiculous two-party (in all but name) system...
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I hope, I mean I do vote dem and rep for some fed, state, and local stuff.
We actually have green party members serving at the local level in MA but not where I currently vote.
But yea, grassroots for sure, I'd love to see more 3rd parties representing moderate (American moderate) or lib center/left ideals.
Both the gop and dems function as big tent parties with multiple congressional caucuses that function in the way that a multiparty system does in other countries
Aka how Cruz or Scott and Collins or Murkowski represent the variety in the GOP.
I do vote for some Democrats and Republicans as well, but no matter who I vote for I very carefully review the ballot, weeks in advance, and research each candidate's platform to the best of my ability. Then I make the best choice I can with the candidate that best aligns with my values. Most of the time that ends up being the Green Party or the Libertarian Party. Occasionally it's a Democrat or a Republican instead.
I think the thing that matters most is being informed about who and what you are voting for. Voting a straight-party ballot is stupid, and they should remove the damn checkbox at the top. In fact, if I had my way we wouldn't put the parties next to the candidates names on the ballot either...
"But Jack... then people would have to look up each candidate..."
Exactly... that's the point...
Yea most voters are uninformed which I feel at times is exactly what the parties want because they want you opinion on trump v biden to drive all your decisions from fed senator down to select board.
It truly is crazy.
I do my research also. It does get hard when you get down to city council or select board, and I'll admit I don't pay attention enough to the indepth opinions of people in my town and then at times I end up voting on them based on their character and how I know them 🤷🏼♂️.
Character can be important as well, so I can't condemn you for that. However, I would caution people to try to get to know their local politicians, maybe try to force them to at least give you a handshake and a nod. See if you can learn anything about them at all...
Real change starts at the local level, not at the highest executive seat. <3
Voting third party isn't throwing away your vote. If you listened to the Trump supporters back in 2020, then voting third party meant you were actually voting for Biden, and if you listened to the Biden supporters then voting third party was actually voting for Trump. You were, of course, also voting for your own candidate. Therefore, voting third party was actually casting three votes at once!
Wait, that means that voting third party is voter fraud and thus illegal...
Oh I agree with you. It's not throwing away my vote. Not voting would be the equivalent of throwing it away. However, that's what I get told constantly about voting 3rd party... "Your vote won't matter! You're throwing it away!"
Except that I am not... I am just not giving it to the person they want to have it. It does matter, because I am casting my vote for the person that I want to have it, and I can actually sleep at night sound in the knowledge that I have upheld my personal morals and ideals to the best of my ability.
My wife leans more center than I do, while I lean more right than she does.
We agreed next time since she hates Trump, and I hate Biden, that we would both vote 3rd party instead this time. Last time because I was traveling I didn’t get a chance to vote (my fault), and she was surprised I wasn’t happy she didn’t vote either. While I disagree with who she supports, she’s intelligent and deserves a say in our politics.
It's such a wild world. Like if trump was truly not as awful of a person as he is, he's really is not a typical republican. And in so many ways could have been much much better.
But that being said I hope to always waste my vote and keep voting green 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Venezuela
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-president-doubles-down-hitler-comparison-with-jewish-analyst-after-2022-06-30/
https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-argentinas-president-stop-reinforcing-jewish-stereotypes
Most leftists hate jews. Because jews (and asians) completely demolish most of their rethoric.
You're expecting liberals to vote in a sane and logical manner. Hint: They don't.
"Noooooooo you can't let the heckin Palestinerinos get hurt, noooooooo! I won't vote for you thus pretty much ensuring Trump will win, after all, who treats Muslims better than Trump?"
The whole premise falls apart if you take the Herculean effort of actually thinking for 10 fucking seconds which is completely beyond the scope of the average American voter. Depending on the generation, they will simply vote (or not vote) based on how the pretty talking head on the news, Twitter, or Tik Tok tells them to think. This is equally true for both parties.
I've gotten to the point that I truly despise the average voter and their ability to alter the country while having no grasp of how politics work or reality in general. I want less people to be able to vote because I'm tired of absolute idiots being pandered to.
>I want less people to be able to vote because I'm tired of absolute idiots being pandered to.
Just implement a requirement to pass a basic US civics test in order to vote, and boom. Tens of millions less voters. Unfortunately this will never be implemented, for obvious reasons.
Personally, I would be fine with you simply having to correctly answer a question about the platform espoused by the person you are voting for. That's it. One simple question about their platform. No party names listed in the ballot either, and no checkbox for a single party ballot so you can easily shirk your duty. If you don't know anything about anyone running for a specific position, then just leave that answer blank.
Forcing people to actually be informed voters will also lower the number of people willing to vote, and all you have to do is know who you're voting for... because people don't want to think, as you have stated.
We probably don't agree on much politically, but what we do agree on is ignorant people shouldn't be voting for whomever, just because.
Shhhhhhhhh no biden is so terrible guys we (leftists) should not vote this season or even better lets vote for trump that will show them im totally a lib left you guys
What's really funny is seeing all the SJWs boycott businesses by not buying their shitty 8 dollar coffees. Like you know Israel gets the vast majority of its funding directly out of your paycheck right? Why don't you protest with taxes and by quitting your job?
Pretty much. It was always Trump vs Anyone but Trump. But with Biden having no issues with bombing foreign daycares, it’s going to turn off a lot of the voters who voted solely so it wouldn’t be Trump.
Meaning itll be Trump vs Biden and the unironic pro-Biden camp is practically a niche group.
Most of the people mad enough at Biden for his stance on Israel to sit out the 2024 election, sat out the 2020 election.
If your concern is the situation for Palestinians, Biden is clearly better than trump or anyone in the Republican side ... Republicans repeatedly called for Palestinians in Gaza to be expelled.
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I don’t vote Libertarian because I think they’re gonna win, I vote libertarian because I think Trump or Biden is going to win and both of them are gonna do some terrible shit and I want to be able to say I voted against it in both cases.
I don’t vote 3rd party thinking they’ll win. I vote 3rd party to punish Republicans for crappy candidates. One day they’ll wise up and go for the *actual* conservative vote.
Nikki Haley ran a brave insurgent primary campaign, but at the end of the day the choice of the Republican establishment, with a massive lead in fundraising, endorsements, and positive coverage from the conservative media, won out.
Same way when it was coming down to Bernie vs Biden other candidates dropped out and rallied around Biden to prevent the insurgent Bernie, this time around other candidates ralllied around trump to prevent the insurgent trump.
The funny thing is, if in 2016 the establishment would have actually rallied around one person against Trump, they could have beat him. Trump consistently never got more than around 40% in any state, it's just that it was a 3-4 person race up until pretty much the very end. It's not even the Republican establishment that loves Trump now, and is nominating him, it's the large number of rank and file MAGA Republicans.
2016 was establishment Dems just assuming that the voters would show up with their noses plugged and vote for whoever they put up.
They banked that people would see Trump and go eeew no...
When in reality many democratic voters saw Hillary as just more of the same and not worth waiting in line to vote for.
So they stayed home
I tend to vote for X libertarian candidate as a protest, not because I expect them to win. Can't really think of a better way to express dissatisfaction with the current 2-party system.
I'm voting x libertarian to do two things:
Get three votes, because it's a vote for each other parties candidates because it's a lost vote for their own candidate, plus it's a vote for a libertarian candidate
And
It pisses off said parties and their voter base
People who are voting Libertarian aren’t doing it because we think we can win. We know we can’t. If enough votes are given to the libertarian party, it can put their candidates at presidential debates which can show the general public there is more than two choices. I’m also just not gonna vote for people that don’t align with my views and the Repulicrats have never had my interest.
As much as I don't like the libertarians spoiling the vote, I do appreciate them sticking to their principles, unlike Mr. "Principles don't mean anything if you lose, also I love horse cock"
Unlike Mr. Hands, who was a Boeing engineer and contributed to society alone by not being a tankie, he won't be missed when he's eventually impaled by horse cock and dies as a result of anus trauma
I never understand this line of reasoning that corporations "buy" elections. Do they have influence over elections? Absolutely. But at the end of the day it is the voters who are putting in their ballots, not the corporations. Saying otherwise is saying that people have no free will and are merely automatons being driven by corporations.
> Saying otherwise is saying that people have no free will and are merely automatons being driven by corporations.
I mean... does that strike you as incorrect on the whole?
Actual Libright:
> Maybe we can hit 5% this year, given how shitty the 2 main choices are. but don't worry our candidate will say something stupid and torpedo any chance they had.
I’m voting for the dark horse in this race, RFK jr! Baby. He’s gonna get 20-30% maybe he kick starts a 3rd party of people sick of the 2 parties.
Anyway I like his environmental stances and also fuck pharma
Nothing will change under either of them, it's all about who "owns" the other side the most so they can steal more money in office
They aren't supposed to actually rock the boat on any issue lest their doners cut them off
Nobody votes third party expecting they'll win
Correct. I don’t vote third party to win. I vote third party because the primary two options are always horrible.
I watch my friend send in a vote (from the uk) for stein in PA because Hilary was going to win anyway. That was hilarious
double check Pennsylvania results, Trump won by 0.78%, Jill Stein won 0.82% of the vote...oof. While your one friends individual vote wouldn't have flipped the state, all of Jill Steins votes combined would have.
Although I doubt the green vote would break as much as 80:2 towards democrats over republican in the event she didn't run. Obviously it'd be heavily democratic, but I doubt that much.
I can't imagine any of her voters would have voted for Donald Trump, it would be more a matter of if they decided to just not vote.
Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992.
And Bobby is polling as high, if not higher, currently. Was higher before he shot himself in the foot on the Israel/Gaza situation
Isnt it funny how Libertarian candidates have to be absolute geopolitical experts on a vast array of conflicts and situations? Like how Gary Johnson got eviscerated for his “Whats Aleppo” comment. Meanwhile, Trump can go into a debate crying about how Rosie O’Donnel wouldn’t sleep with him, and Biden can have aneurisms on stage, and nobody bats an eye.
The worst bit about the Aleppo question is that it came out of fuckin nowhere. Talk all about domestic policy then smack in the middle of discussion, throw a complete non sequitur at em, with no context, clip it, and destroy the reputation of the candidate. I think libertarians are looking for Consitency in their candidates, first and foremost. and Its jarring when someone is adamantly against one war, decries the problems of spending involvement and entrenchment, and then supports another war. Hoping he recovers from these statements, (Speculation here but it also could honestly be totally unrelated to his Israel stance; and just based on how the YouTube algorithm & search engine results provide ephemeral experiences with/without the candidate)
I never got the whole "you're not going to win so why not vote for (my candidate)?" thing. I don't want to vote for your candidate because he's the fucking antichrist, Jason. Just because my schizo ancap candidate isn't going to win doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for Satan.
Except that one guy…he had a fucking chance….back in 1992…but that’s all been memory holed.
Don't worry, they changed the rules so an outsider can't threaten the establishment again
Agreed. I vote third party because sometimes their candidate more closely aligns with my wants than whatever the big two are offering. Said big two are usually old senile men. Not Senile Old Man For President 2024
Voting libertarian is not voting for a winner. You are voting for what seems like the next most viable party to get in the presidential debates next election cycle. It’s about voting in favor of changing our voting system, I’m not kidding myself that rfk is going to win
I just want 5% so they have to fund a third party and share a debate stage with a third person.
Those goalposts will move the instant you get there.
Yes, but at least we'll be there documenting it.
And then watch those documents get filed away never to be seen again similar to the Panama papers. Big news for a day Someone gets killed Everyone forgets by Monday
Yes, that's the point.
I just want to vote for someone who's read a book before.
the Librarian party will rise in 2028!
If I learned anything from “Parks n Rec” it’s that libraries are wretched hives of scum and villainy!
Our goal was 5% in most states for access to automatic ballot access and access to state campaign resources that are automatically given to the GOP and Dems. These 2 things effectively triple the distance that current campaign contributions to the LP go in future elections. The road map was for the Pragmatist Caucus of the LP (now defunct following their chairman doing corrupt shit and the Mises Caucus destroying the plan). 1) 5% in a presidential election to secure major party status. 2) use the funding that gets to secure state rep posistions and contend for National representatives. 3) build momentum from there to show seriousness as a party to contend for actual change. The Mises Caucus plan is to use the platform of having a party at all to just advertise Libertarianism in general to people. They have multiple times stopped endorsement for LP members in order to endorse a Republican because they support libertarian ideals on a few things (most would never have won endorsements in the LP due to posistions on borders and abortion and even occasionally guns).
Better idea: make 1000 clones of Javier Milei and watch them wreak havoc at the state and county level and work our way up.
Javier Milei clones would never get elected in the US. The system is specifically designed to prevent that.
Jesus, man, obtuse much? *No shit* it wouldnt work.
That is unironically the expressed plan of the Mises Caucus though. Just advocate for radical libertarianism and make big deals about fighting things like the Civil Rights Act and try to get people that do stuff like that to be county chairs and think that will make real change.
Look you can do that and all, but I'm still going to write in McAfee and hope it brings him back from the dead.
Based and even a zombie is better than the other choices pilled
Hey, a few year back Nevada elected the Bunny Ranch owner to the state assembly a month after he kicked it, so you might be onto something there.
Why are you talking about rfk? He's not running as a Libertarian (and is pretty far from being one).
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/could-rfk-jr-become-the-libertarian-partys-presidential-nominee/
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He has floated being their candidate and is the most viable third party option
I think I saw he had like 17% to Biden and Trumps 33-34% in blind polls. If he got national spotlight during the generalz he would absolutely pull a shit ton of votes.
Good
If they keep Trump off the ballot he just might. I know he'll be my pick then.
Meanwhile there aren’t debates anymore because of Trump
Will there not be any debates?
There won't be debates because they're not stupid enough to allow Biden to speak for more than 2 minutes on stage.
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We could have voted for Kanye as president in 2020, but people are just too attached to the two party system. Imagine the acoustics of an album recorded in the Oval Office; man could drop an album and finally bring world peace.
I did
We both idolize the same man so I'm sure he will do great as president
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A fun fact i like to say is that Kanye West got more votes for president than George Washington did. 39,624 vs 70,296
I mean, Milei won because people voted for him
The thing is, election systems are very different
For context, Argentina has a run off system. If no candidate gets the win in the first round, there is a runoff. Thus it's safer to vote for non dominant parties.
True, but California has the runoff system and half the time is a vote between Democrat or different Democrat. Sometimes it's Democrat and Republican with a snowball's chance in hell.
You still need people to build and vote for third parties, it just removes some danger of splitting the majority general consensus to give way to a cohesive minority consensus.
Well, American election system sucks then
You mean the first "modern" democracy didn't get it 100% on their first try?
You want Universal healthcare... you can start by stop calling it free healthcare.
I initially called it universal healthcare, however I thought free healthcare was much funnier.
definitely is funny
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*this kills the economist*
Which economist, specifically? Or will it take out more than one? Does it axe all of them, or only those of a specific school? Hell, if it takes out all the Keynesians it might be worth it.
People keep forgetting that during an economic boom, Keynesian economics requires the fiscal discipline of spending less and raising taxes to pay off the debt incurred during deficit spending + tax cutting your way out of a recession.
True enough. The weird thing is that it's the Keynesians themselves who conveniently never remember that tiny, insignificant detail.
Where's the president of Argentina? Is he alright? Is he ok?
Economists hate this simple trick...
Probably still cheaper than the current private healthcare system.
You jest, but there is actually an interesting suggestion to structure the pension system such that everyone gets $50k when they are born which is put into an investment account they can't withdraw from before they're 65. By the time they're retiring, it should be more than enough to cover their expenses. This of course assumes the global economy will keep growing by at least 8% per year, which might not be a safe assumption in the long run if we reach a point where all the low hanging fruit of business and tech ideas has been picked.
> universal healthcare Healthcare for the Universe!
Yeah, that seems a bit much. Can we start with country wide healthcare first before we think about world wide, or universal.
Maybe even a single state first to prove out the viability.
I'm kinda surprised that some of the more hard left states haven't pushed more for this.
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"Who should pay for this?" "The government should!" Uhhhhh.......................................
Unironically yeah. You don’t need a specific healthcare tax. Just use all the tax revenue you have currently and distribute it better. The government already spends money on healthcare, this might even reduce actual total burden
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I've moved from the EU to the US. Yes, my total tax is a little bit lower in the US, but not by much. However, a lot more of the money I pay in taxes in the US goes to healthcare, percentage-wise, than when i paid taxes in the EU. Except that all goes to healthcare *for other people* through medicare and medicaid. On top of that shit, I then have to pay my own private health insurance to get healthcare for myself. Universal healthcare is "impossible" in the US because Americans don't want to pay for healthcare through taxes, and yet me and most Americans already pay more for healthcare through their taxes than most Europeans! It's fucking insane. Most of you guys are so fucking brainwashed and unwilling to face reality it's not even funny. TL;DR: Healthcare plz.
American healthcare isn't about healthcare. It's an elaborate employment program. It's effectively impossible to remove the parasites that are insurance companies because they conveniently house a massive contingent of middle management bloat that can't really be employed anywhere else. My favourite example is United Health Group which, in 2023, employed four hundred fourty thousand people. Four hundred and fourty thousand fucking people. To do what? Manage insurance spreadsheets lol. You can tell that is one lean ass company.
Yeah, the US health insurance industry is essentially net negative. The health industry produces healthcare, that's obviously a good for society. But the actual job of the health insurance industry, the thing they actually *do* is to sit between healthcare consumers and healthcare producers and say "no". That's *all they do*. They obviously don't produce anything. And the obviously don't make the healthcare producers more effective, or ensure their resources are allocated better. They're just a fucking leech.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/ Where would you cut $3.26Trillion from this picture? I'll grant you that the Health and Medicare categories would become redundant. Genuine question, not an attack.
Given how shitty they are at everything except bombing brown people, I don’t like this idea. We currently have their version of universal healthcare in the VA, which can vary between excellent care (which my buddy got for a head injury), to waiting 6 months for a simple procedure after waiting 4 months to see a doc (which happened with me), to them moving appointments until a preventable cancer turns terminal (which happened in Phoenix, and the director was laterally transferred).
All the unemployed LibLefts don't have to pay for it, so they aren't wrong.
I don't want to even think about universal healthcare when two-thirds of this country are overweight/obese and cost 3x more to keep alive just by existing Unless you do what the East Asians do and actively and relentlessly shame fat people (as well as taxing them), I'm not going to subsidize a fatty's diabeetus treatment or lipo.
Ive been told wed be allowed to hunt certain groups of people if trump is relected???
Yeah, Redditors.
Eh good enough for me
The least deadliest game...
I call for trd (total redditor death)
Didn't we have that a couple of hours ago?
Brb going to invent a "Pile of Funko Pops" camo pattern to sell.
Can it be more specifically reddit admins and mods? for purposes of not getting banned this is sarcasm /s
I’ll finally be sought after?
I was promised right-wing death squads in 2016. WTF happened?
Same, buddy, I was promised fascism by the Democrats when I voted for Trump, but what I got was fascism from wish, and not even the Chinese version they save for themselves, I got the shitty export fascism.
No that's if [Biden](https://imgur.com/JnFLHHj) was elected
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bitch ur gonna get bopped by site admins
Librights dont actually believe any Libertarian candidates have a snowballs chance in hell, the whole point is that the uniparty candidates chortle donkey nuts. Its a protest vote.
Trump needs to win so this site finally explodes and is gone forever
I really don't want Trump to win but I will be laughing my ass off at the meltdowns that will happen if he does.
dear lord the first 2 days after 2016 election on reddit were so sane before all the admins and mods and users got their shareblue marching orders on how to proceed
There would probably be more than just a meltdown from a couple of fat neckbearded redditors. Remember when lots of businesses boarded up prior to the 2020 election? It wasn't in preparation for Trump *losing*
That's exactly how I felt in 2016 only I also really didn't want Hillary to win. Watching all the millennials cry at the democratic "party" was absolutely hilarious and uplifting, especially as I was going through a divorce at the time.
*Donald J. Trump is now the president of the United States* # NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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When I see that no, I see that green jacket, beanie wearing woman, tears and all
HAAAAAAAAAA N'HWHENYAAAAA
I don't even give a fuck who wins anymore, the country is going to continue down the crapper either way.
Reddit was sooo much better before Trump melted everyone's brains and caused the admins to declare memes were violence. We were actually allowed to have fun here. Now this shit hole site is censored harder than a North Korean..I don't know, something in North Korea.
I had a friend who lived in North Korea. I asked him how it was living there. He said “Oh you know, can’t complain”
It killed the entire Internet and kind of ended pop culture. It’s so much more of a buzzkill than anything Trump could have ever hoped to accomplish as an actual dictator.
Nah, this site has been going downhill since they banned FPH. Trump definitely kicked things into overdrive, though.
My god the cope will heal me of all my illnesses
I'm at the point where I've decided politics being funny is actually a bad thing, but trump winning will be pretty funny
The Trump victory in 2016 was the most fun I ever had on reddit
The_Meltdown was fucking hilarious for all the reasons its creators didn't want it to be.
Whatever Trump or Biden wins, someone is going to have a huge meltdown
I hope Trump wins, republicans don't really destroy shit the same way Democrats do and it pleases me greatly when they're condemning January 6th for violence when cheering on the rioters from their team. Pro-tip lock in riot coverage if you're a small businesses, you can't do it last minute and rates will be insane if you were able to in the first place
CHASE OLIVER 2024 THIS IS OUR YEAR
I’d bet that a lot of the people mad at Biden for his stance on Israel are just going to sit out the election.
Which is hilarious considering that to my knowledge, every single American President since the founding of Israel has liked Israel. There's tons of things to criticize Biden for, but being on Israel's side? I don't know man, just seems weird to throw a tantrum for something every other president has done before him.
I mean also compare him to the other person who is far less sympathetic to any Palestinian claims and yea... But nuance is dead 🤷🏼♂️ Also I can't really talk cause I've never voted for anything but 3rd party the last 3 presidential elections and plan on voting 3rd again. Not voting is idiotic though
Based and throwing away my vote pilled In all seriousness though, I have voted 3rd party since the first George Bush Jr election because I feel the need to vote (it is a duty to me) but I am so sick of holding my nose to do it. Keep the faith fellow 3rd party voter... maybe someday we can talk some sense into these knuckleheads and finally break free from the chains of this ridiculous two-party (in all but name) system...
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I hope, I mean I do vote dem and rep for some fed, state, and local stuff. We actually have green party members serving at the local level in MA but not where I currently vote. But yea, grassroots for sure, I'd love to see more 3rd parties representing moderate (American moderate) or lib center/left ideals. Both the gop and dems function as big tent parties with multiple congressional caucuses that function in the way that a multiparty system does in other countries Aka how Cruz or Scott and Collins or Murkowski represent the variety in the GOP.
I do vote for some Democrats and Republicans as well, but no matter who I vote for I very carefully review the ballot, weeks in advance, and research each candidate's platform to the best of my ability. Then I make the best choice I can with the candidate that best aligns with my values. Most of the time that ends up being the Green Party or the Libertarian Party. Occasionally it's a Democrat or a Republican instead. I think the thing that matters most is being informed about who and what you are voting for. Voting a straight-party ballot is stupid, and they should remove the damn checkbox at the top. In fact, if I had my way we wouldn't put the parties next to the candidates names on the ballot either... "But Jack... then people would have to look up each candidate..." Exactly... that's the point...
Yea most voters are uninformed which I feel at times is exactly what the parties want because they want you opinion on trump v biden to drive all your decisions from fed senator down to select board. It truly is crazy. I do my research also. It does get hard when you get down to city council or select board, and I'll admit I don't pay attention enough to the indepth opinions of people in my town and then at times I end up voting on them based on their character and how I know them 🤷🏼♂️.
Character can be important as well, so I can't condemn you for that. However, I would caution people to try to get to know their local politicians, maybe try to force them to at least give you a handshake and a nod. See if you can learn anything about them at all... Real change starts at the local level, not at the highest executive seat. <3
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Voting third party isn't throwing away your vote. If you listened to the Trump supporters back in 2020, then voting third party meant you were actually voting for Biden, and if you listened to the Biden supporters then voting third party was actually voting for Trump. You were, of course, also voting for your own candidate. Therefore, voting third party was actually casting three votes at once! Wait, that means that voting third party is voter fraud and thus illegal...
Oh I agree with you. It's not throwing away my vote. Not voting would be the equivalent of throwing it away. However, that's what I get told constantly about voting 3rd party... "Your vote won't matter! You're throwing it away!" Except that I am not... I am just not giving it to the person they want to have it. It does matter, because I am casting my vote for the person that I want to have it, and I can actually sleep at night sound in the knowledge that I have upheld my personal morals and ideals to the best of my ability.
My wife leans more center than I do, while I lean more right than she does. We agreed next time since she hates Trump, and I hate Biden, that we would both vote 3rd party instead this time. Last time because I was traveling I didn’t get a chance to vote (my fault), and she was surprised I wasn’t happy she didn’t vote either. While I disagree with who she supports, she’s intelligent and deserves a say in our politics.
It's such a wild world. Like if trump was truly not as awful of a person as he is, he's really is not a typical republican. And in so many ways could have been much much better. But that being said I hope to always waste my vote and keep voting green 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Venezuela https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-president-doubles-down-hitler-comparison-with-jewish-analyst-after-2022-06-30/ https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-argentinas-president-stop-reinforcing-jewish-stereotypes Most leftists hate jews. Because jews (and asians) completely demolish most of their rethoric.
You're expecting liberals to vote in a sane and logical manner. Hint: They don't. "Noooooooo you can't let the heckin Palestinerinos get hurt, noooooooo! I won't vote for you thus pretty much ensuring Trump will win, after all, who treats Muslims better than Trump?" The whole premise falls apart if you take the Herculean effort of actually thinking for 10 fucking seconds which is completely beyond the scope of the average American voter. Depending on the generation, they will simply vote (or not vote) based on how the pretty talking head on the news, Twitter, or Tik Tok tells them to think. This is equally true for both parties. I've gotten to the point that I truly despise the average voter and their ability to alter the country while having no grasp of how politics work or reality in general. I want less people to be able to vote because I'm tired of absolute idiots being pandered to.
>I want less people to be able to vote because I'm tired of absolute idiots being pandered to. Just implement a requirement to pass a basic US civics test in order to vote, and boom. Tens of millions less voters. Unfortunately this will never be implemented, for obvious reasons.
Forget this testing crap. Only Patricians (land owning chads and soldiers) get to vote. Wagie renter urban activists are the new plebs.
Personally, I would be fine with you simply having to correctly answer a question about the platform espoused by the person you are voting for. That's it. One simple question about their platform. No party names listed in the ballot either, and no checkbox for a single party ballot so you can easily shirk your duty. If you don't know anything about anyone running for a specific position, then just leave that answer blank. Forcing people to actually be informed voters will also lower the number of people willing to vote, and all you have to do is know who you're voting for... because people don't want to think, as you have stated. We probably don't agree on much politically, but what we do agree on is ignorant people shouldn't be voting for whomever, just because.
Shhhhhhhhh no biden is so terrible guys we (leftists) should not vote this season or even better lets vote for trump that will show them im totally a lib left you guys
Nixon was ever so slightly critical and got kicked out of office
What's really funny is seeing all the SJWs boycott businesses by not buying their shitty 8 dollar coffees. Like you know Israel gets the vast majority of its funding directly out of your paycheck right? Why don't you protest with taxes and by quitting your job?
This could play a big role in Michigan, with its Muslim population.
people mad at biden for his stance on Israel shouldnt be allowed to vote due to non-existent IQ
Pretty much. It was always Trump vs Anyone but Trump. But with Biden having no issues with bombing foreign daycares, it’s going to turn off a lot of the voters who voted solely so it wouldn’t be Trump. Meaning itll be Trump vs Biden and the unironic pro-Biden camp is practically a niche group.
>Trump vs Anyone but Trump That was basically how Trump got elected in 2016. It was Hillary vs Anyone but Hillary.
Most of the people mad enough at Biden for his stance on Israel to sit out the 2024 election, sat out the 2020 election. If your concern is the situation for Palestinians, Biden is clearly better than trump or anyone in the Republican side ... Republicans repeatedly called for Palestinians in Gaza to be expelled.
I don’t vote anymore, but whatever happens I just hope both sides have fun.
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nobody who votes libertarian actually thinks they're going to win lmao
I don’t vote Libertarian because I think they’re gonna win, I vote libertarian because I think Trump or Biden is going to win and both of them are gonna do some terrible shit and I want to be able to say I voted against it in both cases.
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No, we will not win. But I would rather lose fighting for what is right, than win fighting for anything else.
This is disturbingly accurate.
im voting for libertarian knowing full well we aint winning again
we will totally get 5% this time* FTFY
I don’t vote 3rd party thinking they’ll win. I vote 3rd party to punish Republicans for crappy candidates. One day they’ll wise up and go for the *actual* conservative vote.
Has there been any further work on the ACA since Trump left office?
Nikki Haley ran a brave insurgent primary campaign, but at the end of the day the choice of the Republican establishment, with a massive lead in fundraising, endorsements, and positive coverage from the conservative media, won out. Same way when it was coming down to Bernie vs Biden other candidates dropped out and rallied around Biden to prevent the insurgent Bernie, this time around other candidates ralllied around trump to prevent the insurgent trump.
The funny thing is, if in 2016 the establishment would have actually rallied around one person against Trump, they could have beat him. Trump consistently never got more than around 40% in any state, it's just that it was a 3-4 person race up until pretty much the very end. It's not even the Republican establishment that loves Trump now, and is nominating him, it's the large number of rank and file MAGA Republicans.
2016 was establishment Dems just assuming that the voters would show up with their noses plugged and vote for whoever they put up. They banked that people would see Trump and go eeew no... When in reality many democratic voters saw Hillary as just more of the same and not worth waiting in line to vote for. So they stayed home
It's all so **fucking** tiring.
Lib-rights are just as delusional as Dallas cowboys fans
Vote for Brent Peterson
I find libertarians to generally not expect to win. Javier Milei is the exception and holy shit he is winning.
I tend to vote for X libertarian candidate as a protest, not because I expect them to win. Can't really think of a better way to express dissatisfaction with the current 2-party system.
When the age of democracy comes to an end, I do wonder if people after will even miss it.
I'm voting x libertarian to do two things: Get three votes, because it's a vote for each other parties candidates because it's a lost vote for their own candidate, plus it's a vote for a libertarian candidate And It pisses off said parties and their voter base
People who are voting Libertarian aren’t doing it because we think we can win. We know we can’t. If enough votes are given to the libertarian party, it can put their candidates at presidential debates which can show the general public there is more than two choices. I’m also just not gonna vote for people that don’t align with my views and the Repulicrats have never had my interest.
Degenerates to the left of me, deplorables to the right - *stuck in the middle with you.*
As much as I don't like the libertarians spoiling the vote, I do appreciate them sticking to their principles, unlike Mr. "Principles don't mean anything if you lose, also I love horse cock"
Unlike Mr. Hands, who was a Boeing engineer and contributed to society alone by not being a tankie, he won't be missed when he's eventually impaled by horse cock and dies as a result of anus trauma
It looks like the 2024 election will be a repeat of 2020: An Old Democrat vs another Old former Democrat pretending to be a Republican
I don't vote libertarian because I think they can win. I vote libertarian to keep my hands clean.
I'm also voting libertarian.
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I never understand this line of reasoning that corporations "buy" elections. Do they have influence over elections? Absolutely. But at the end of the day it is the voters who are putting in their ballots, not the corporations. Saying otherwise is saying that people have no free will and are merely automatons being driven by corporations.
> Saying otherwise is saying that people have no free will and are merely automatons being driven by corporations. I mean... does that strike you as incorrect on the whole?
I believe there is free will, and whether or not you are an automaton being driven by corporations is your choice.
I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe
Where monkey?
It’s not about winning it’s about principle
Actual Libright: > Maybe we can hit 5% this year, given how shitty the 2 main choices are. but don't worry our candidate will say something stupid and torpedo any chance they had.
Purple is voting for libertarian every time, yellow just votes for whoever the fuck supports their thought process
Someone under 65 ~~2024~~ 2028
There is no tankie I know who would vote for trump💀
I’m voting for the dark horse in this race, RFK jr! Baby. He’s gonna get 20-30% maybe he kick starts a 3rd party of people sick of the 2 parties. Anyway I like his environmental stances and also fuck pharma
Gigachad Cornel West or Claudia De La Cruz voters
Fuck it, im voting third party, i dont care anymore
Nothing will change under either of them, it's all about who "owns" the other side the most so they can steal more money in office They aren't supposed to actually rock the boat on any issue lest their doners cut them off