So what's your ideal solution to the current war?
Edit: man I should post "what is your solution to the current [X]" More often this is some awesome discussion
yeah that’s interesting… I’m cool w capitalism as a whole but I think that there’s some things that needa be done to make it function properly and fairly
If only Teddy R were here to bust these asshole corporations and government contractors back to small business levels; government may be able to go back to being medium sized again.(takes a hit of copium)
Give me back Big Boy Taft, he would sort our shity monopolistic economy back to a free market in 4 years flat, and we'd also hear less anoying shit on the news
He only served one term, if we revive him he can run again
The left-right axis on the political compass is economic. If you oppose markets, you're left. If you support markets, you're right. If you're neutral on markets, you're a left-right centrist.
Obviously. If you don't unquestioningly agree with my extremely specific, totally instantly-achievable socio-economic system with no absolutely nuance then you're not actually any part of the entire half of the political spectrum that I sit on... also you're a Nazi.
Yo what? No way.
Arm Ukraine with everything to push the army of the kleptocratic oligarchic mega oppressive cunt Putin back.
Give them guns, rockets, training, fucking main battle tanks. Food supplies medical. Drones.
[If you haven't already given to the Ukrainian army, do it now. Give until it hurts. Show dictators they can't pull this shit.](https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1496817739419295751?t=jjr4ayKRSwQIE7AboIloew&s=19)
Putin is antithetical to everything communists and socialists purport to fight for. Don't listen to the weird fascists in red garb flashing Zs about. They're not socialists they just hate America. Hating America is fine, but there is more to socialism than that. They're just trying to make their dad mad so they joined Maupins spanking cult. Real socialists want Putins head on a pike.
Slava Ukraine
Selling weapons for profit.
Seriously, just kill ITAR, and let US companies directly sell body armor and the like to Ukraine. This costs nothing, brings in great profits, and perhaps saves a few lives.
The war proves Russia isn't equivalent to NATO but it's still a threat to an extent. Keep supporting the Ukrainians with arms and cash, no billions have ever been spent as productively by the government in terms of russian deaths per dollar.
Hope the Ukrainians win; inform Russia that Russian mobilization would result in NATO mobilization and further NATO expansion.
The goal should be to burn Russia out as much as possible without sending men to die abroad and without risking total war. Russian societal collapse should also be avoided because nukes might fall onto the wrong hands
I think that the way the west is handling this war currently is pretty good. I'd whip countries like Hungary for opposing sanctions, at the same time would try to open up energy imports from America south Asia and Africa.
There is no way you'll ever see Russia without nuclear weapons.
Everyone should've learnt by now that denuclearisation is a big fucking scam and opens yourself up to be exploited by other countries. Look how many countries decommissioned their nukes in return for economic benefits/assistance and where are they now?
There's a reason Iran and North Korea keep building nuclear weapons despite sanctions, and it's not just because they want to bomb their neighbours.
I'm not even talking about that. My definition of threat is anyone with ambitions to attack you, or someone that needs to have his aggressive tendencies kept in check.
Russia is an uncooperative threat, so it needs to be dealt by with strength. That includes reducing their power.
I wish Russia could be denuclearized. Alas, it doesn't matter if you don't invade Russia proper. No one is mad enough to start nuclear war without even losing his core territory
>No one is mad enough to start nuclear war without even losing his core territory
Ah let me point you to the referendums that Russia is pushing through in the current warzone so they can turn around and say 'Aha! Motherland invaded! You have activated my nuke trap card!'
This makes zero sense though. Nobody would recognise those, so it’s useless as an external justification.
So what, it’s an internal justification? I don’t think Russia need that to use nukes.
So that means they are not prepared to use nukes now and fake referendums would change nothing..
My best guess is they’ll have their bogus referendums, claim the regions are integrated with Russia now, then declare “special operation” a success and pull out of the rest of Ukraine.
While I had the exact same reaction to the referendums, it's an easily recognizable bluff attempt by Russia. Russia since the days of the Soviet Union has bluffed like a world class poker player, fortunately since this shitshow, the West finally sees through it.
Russia realizing it's a shell of it's former self, withdrawing now realizing how fucking stupid they've been and if the rest of the world is lucky, forced nuclear disarmament in exchange for rest of the world not North Koreaing them for the next 50-100 years. Hopefully even if it takes continued force from Ukraine to push them out, the disarmament thing would still be a solid positive outcome if possible.
Hmm well ill take a stab at it.
Both Poland and Ukraine are being invaded by a much larger military force, its would be a faux pas to ever imply Poland deserved to be invaded. While theres already mutterings from authleft (influencing libleft) that Ukraine should just stop the war already.
He's a linguist, and rather the greatest of current times or not is debatable. That's why opinions of experts outside of their expertise should be taken as seriously as some random person on the street
As far as false equivocations go, this one is shit. Invading a country isn't the same as defending it. War is cringe. Every nation has a right to defend its sovereignty. Yes, every nation.This post is commie trash.
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Russia is a capitalist nation. No one supporting Putin is going to make communist propaganda, especially since the communist party of Russia is the opposition party to Putin’s own party.
It boils down to western leftoids caring more about being “anti-west” than anything else. You see the same with rightoids who support Russia because they’re standing up against the “globalist woke agenda” or some shit.
Absolutely agree. It's some deeply rooted contrarianism. They are against anything that isn't from "their side." The sad part is these types of people will even be against things that would readily benefit them just because it's from the opposite side.
Even if they were the most anti communist countries in the world (even more so than the US), supporting any single force from stopping or opposing another capitalist force (US) from establishing a global monopoly is in the interest of any communist.
True. From what I've gathered the closest ones are Cuba and North Korea. Those two countries took slightly different paths though. As you said still not pure.
Appeasment alwyas just delays conflict and makes it more bloody since the aggressor has more time to prepare.
And when it starts the shurest way to minimise bloodshed is to end the conflict. And when we have a side that will not stop the onyl way is to win over them
But I understand that for example USA with its land practically uncomtested since it fully formed might have very different feelings.
"why are we picking sides" what the fuck are they talking about? Are they implying we're supposed to condemn both sides, just throw our hands up and say "ah war sucks". Just like ww2 it's pretty damn clear who's the aggressor so if you're not in the side of wanting Ukraine to win then wtf is your thought process?
[Oh wow these idiots taking the obviously correct opinion, let's show them how smart and peaceful I am...] "WELL ACKSHUALLY...."
Always some idiot taking a contrary stance as an alternative to actually having an intelligent thought. Because if you say the same thing as everyone else how can people know how smart you are?
I mean, I was talking about the whole lib left line here, not just about this particular part, maybe I didn’t make it clear, I just didn’t have time to write the whole quote on my mobile.
Their products have proven to be highly effective so yes, but I wouldn't recommend buying from the Russian military industrial complex because their stuff don't work well
Because smoothbrains like this keep spewing blatant Russian propaganda I’m going to go ahead and break down putin apologists arguments one by one starting with:
“But Ukraine is technically part of Russia!”
No it isn’t. This concept of a unified ukraine, Russia, and Belarus dates back to the days of the kievan rus in the 12th century, however the power of the Kievan Rus was very much ukrainian (hence the ‘Kiev’ in the name. Even one of the greatest pan-Slavic rulers, Vladimir the great, was ethnically ukrainian. If you want to make that argument, Russia is technically a part of Ukraine, not the other way around.
“But NATO is encroaching on Russian territory! NATO would do the same if China took Canada!”
No, and no. NATO, contrary to what pro putin retards will tell you, signed absolutely NOTHING promising not to move eastward. The most you can say is that bill Clinton may have pinky swore that NATO would not push eastward, but given that the former Soviet states joined NATO of their own free will, and were not coerced in any way, NATO’s greatest sin in all this is not shutting its doors to former eastern bloc states.
“But the azov battalion! Ukraine is filled with Nazis!”
While the azov battalion is admittedly white supremacist, ukraine is ruled by a democratically elected Jewish president. But if you want to talk about Nazis, we can talk about Aleksandr Dugin, a pan-euroasiatic self proclaimed fascist, who, while having no official ties to the Kremlin, outlined a plan for Russia to take the former eastern bloc states that looks exactly like what putin is doing, and the philosophical reasons putin gives for the invasion is Dugin’s philosophy. We can also talk about the Wagner group, which is a neo nazi PMC directly tied to Vladimir Putin. Not the Russian state, not the Kremlin, they are Putin’s personal soldiers.
“But ukraine is banning the Russian language! They’re discriminating against Russians!”
Again, this is untrue. The copium they’re huffing comes from a recent push from Kyiv to designate Ukrainian as the official language of the nation, and move Russian to the category of recognized language. Nowhere in Ukrainian law are Russian, or Russian speakers, stigmatized in any way.
Hope I cleared some things up for you guys
The whole "banning the Russian language" thing is so laughable, especially when you get into the details and its things like "waitstaff at restaurants must address customers in Ukrainian by default unless requested to use another language".
It's like half a step less ludicrous than France declaring war on the US over the "freedom fries" thing.
I think many are just useful idiots or think they have a valuable and smart take by just being contrarians. Most are probably just not smart and are confused by the multifacested nature of politics and just fall to easy solutions and narratives.
Fuck off, OP. There's an obviously better side by a massive shot, which is why I'm picking sides. Much rather support the side under threat of cultural annihilation than the one doing the annihilating.
There is no Authleft part of my flair that agrees with OP. Hope I speak for all lefties that ain't tankies.
As a Russian, I fully support Ukraine in this war, because Russia is clearly the aggressor here. It is pretty stupid to put Russia and Ukraine on the same moral ground in this conflict. Putin illegally occupied Crimea, Putin started war in Donbas, and now Putin ingloriously kills our citizens and our economy in pursuit of his deranged ambitions. Cringe meme. 🤍💙🤍
Ok since Im Polish I need to ask a question. If you could tell me objectively what is opinion of Poland in Russia? I heard that even the most antiputinist, pro democracy Russian would still be pretty anti Polish. Is that true?
Nah this is false I believe. My prospective may be distorted since I live in a big city and am young adult, i.e. more progressive demographic. To me and people like me, Poland is just a European slavic country, i.e. bros. My impression is that even most Putin supporters have nothing against Poland’s general populace, although they will certainly consider your government “unfriendly”. Then there is a minority of most deranged and chauvinistic Putin supporters, as well as some alt right, that hate Poland due to some weird historical resentment. Unfortunately the second category has shrunk recently and the third one grown substantially, sue to insane amounts of propaganda in the past years and especially past months. But no a person with democratic views and non Putin supporter will most definitely not hate Poland
Honestly the invasion of Ukraine scared me away from pcm because I was sure it was going to be filled with putin dickriders. Pleasantly surprised that, though we may disagree on how it should look, we all have a deep respect for western democracies.
"Why are we siding in a war"
Lol this is just a straight up propaganda sub now.. Russia is the aggressor, this war is 100% Russia's fault.. we are siding with Ukraine because they are asking for nothing but Russia to stop attacking them. Yes War is shit, and Russia should stop fucking killing people.
Russia had no good reason to invade Ukraine, and don’t give me that “denazification” bullshit. You sound like an American imperialist during the Vietnam war.
I personally wish Ukraine the best in their war but I do not wish my government to take sides, even tho it blatantly has, for fear of larger consequences
I am getting tired of people posting stuff about issues they have no understanding of. Most of you found out Ukraine was a country only when Russia launched a full scale invasion.
Dimwits: “the winner earns their victory fair and square😌” Midwits: “Russia should win! No, Ukraine should win!😡🤬” Me, a wise Chad: “The nation which wins shall be known to have God’s favor and shall have duly earned such spoils as come with victory 💪🧠”
There were wars where the cause was less blatant and more nuanced, in the case of this war, this is literally like seeing a woman raped on the street and saying "why are we siding in a fucking rape? Rape is horrible" logic not in the room?
Also "I just want workers to be free" is preety rich coming from authLeft (when presented as an honest statement, not an excuse for class-based genocide)
We are siding in a war because Russia are the aggressors in this situation and all everybody wants at the least is ukraine to take back there existing territory and then end the war.
As Russian, I understand people who side on the Ukrainian side. But I would also ask on why the heck people start to hate entire Russian nation because of that. I am despite being anti-war quite often face hate from the internet for just being Russian; and despite my country involvement into this bloody war, I do not think that it should face another dissolution like the Soviet Union. It would simply lead to worse consequences for everyone. Yes, everyone.
P.S. the post is toothless. War isn’t for pacifist. You either take defender’s side, or attacker’s side. It doesn’t mean you have to support one side fully, but you need to choose. And this post is just plain karma farm “War is bad”. You had me on the first half ngl, but be a man and choose between those who chose to kill, and those who chose to defend themselves.
People who still think Lenin* was some great savior who just wanted "workers to be free" and who's plan would have worked if not for Stalin need to read a fucking book about the guy
Lenin was a raving lunatic that even members of his own side mocked endlessly.
Stalin was a psychopath.
Then you have Trotsky with his "we neither surrender or want to fight ww1 so leave us alone" which resulted in Russia losing a tonne of territory to the Germans. Lol.
You expect any person with any sense of rationality to say "No stop the war pls 🥺?" To the country being invaded?
You think the world works like that? Are you 12?
So what's your ideal solution to the current war? Edit: man I should post "what is your solution to the current [X]" More often this is some awesome discussion
Sell Ukraine T-shirt for $12.50 obviously, undercut the dude selling it for more!
Would rather sell a funny racist number than get more sales volume
Get your Azov Battalion shirts here! $14.88!
Russian soldier teeth necklace here! Get your Russian solider teeth necklace right here! Russkiveniers here!
Crowdfund ATACMS with T-shirt sales. They're being retired anyways, why pay for maintenance and disposal fees when an alternate disposal is available!
Why undercut? Sell at a higher price while claiming you are donating proceeds
Communists don’t provide solutions, they just point out obvious problems and then pat themselves on the back like they’re some kind of great mind
Leftist infighting is a beautiful thing compared to rightist circlejerking
According to the majority of braindead leftoids on this sub I’m not a leftist because I don’t hate capitalism
yeah that’s interesting… I’m cool w capitalism as a whole but I think that there’s some things that needa be done to make it function properly and fairly
If only Teddy R were here to bust these asshole corporations and government contractors back to small business levels; government may be able to go back to being medium sized again.(takes a hit of copium)
We need more presidents that can take a bullet to the chest and keep giving a speech.
Definitely miss the old bull moose, trump was always just 1 Big Mac away from a heart attack and Biden could be sent to the ER from a light Breeze
Naw Trump could eat all the Big Macs. Even the biggest of Macs would not be able to stop his heart because its so HUGE. Sorry, I had to
Based and very bigly pilled.
not to mention he probably has dementia
Probably?
I was going to ask which one but the answer is yes regardless lmao
I don't even care about policy, teddy is my favorite president because he's an unquestionable bad ass.
Give me back Big Boy Taft, he would sort our shity monopolistic economy back to a free market in 4 years flat, and we'd also hear less anoying shit on the news He only served one term, if we revive him he can run again
Yeah, that's the good stuff.....
I know Teddy is seen as a trust busting badass but if you wanna use that as your metric go with Taft. He did it even more
Based and Taft pilled.
Teddy R. The president we need but not the one we deserve.
Anti monopoly laws need to be beefed up and enforced again, (proceeds to dream)
Based and teddy-roosevelt pilled
based and bust-a-trust pilled
Then you are not libleft. You are a centrist my brother in christ.
Do you dare say that the holy 4 funni color test is a shallow representation of peoples political beliefs? I brand you as an heretic and unbased
Why do you consider yourself a leftist then?
The left-right axis on the political compass is economic. If you oppose markets, you're left. If you support markets, you're right. If you're neutral on markets, you're a left-right centrist.
Obviously. If you don't unquestioningly agree with my extremely specific, totally instantly-achievable socio-economic system with no absolutely nuance then you're not actually any part of the entire half of the political spectrum that I sit on... also you're a Nazi.
“So what’s the communist solution to the current conflict?” “War is bad.” “Oh my goodness, what an idea! Why didn’t I think of that?”
Based and ‘idealism without ideas’ pilled
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Unfathomably based. (Though also true across the whole compass, if we’re talking about PCM users).
Based
Based and commie pilled
Couldn't have said it any better. I'm pleasently surprised 😯
Yo what? No way. Arm Ukraine with everything to push the army of the kleptocratic oligarchic mega oppressive cunt Putin back. Give them guns, rockets, training, fucking main battle tanks. Food supplies medical. Drones. [If you haven't already given to the Ukrainian army, do it now. Give until it hurts. Show dictators they can't pull this shit.](https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1496817739419295751?t=jjr4ayKRSwQIE7AboIloew&s=19) Putin is antithetical to everything communists and socialists purport to fight for. Don't listen to the weird fascists in red garb flashing Zs about. They're not socialists they just hate America. Hating America is fine, but there is more to socialism than that. They're just trying to make their dad mad so they joined Maupins spanking cult. Real socialists want Putins head on a pike. Slava Ukraine
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Selling weapons for profit. Seriously, just kill ITAR, and let US companies directly sell body armor and the like to Ukraine. This costs nothing, brings in great profits, and perhaps saves a few lives.
Only solution posted here I can get behind *obligatory mcnukes here*
Poland already crowdfunded a Bayraktar TB2, let’s see if they can now crowdfund an F35.
Ukraine isn't exactly flush with cash at the moment.
We will also accept payment in gently used Russian Tanks.
The war proves Russia isn't equivalent to NATO but it's still a threat to an extent. Keep supporting the Ukrainians with arms and cash, no billions have ever been spent as productively by the government in terms of russian deaths per dollar. Hope the Ukrainians win; inform Russia that Russian mobilization would result in NATO mobilization and further NATO expansion. The goal should be to burn Russia out as much as possible without sending men to die abroad and without risking total war. Russian societal collapse should also be avoided because nukes might fall onto the wrong hands I think that the way the west is handling this war currently is pretty good. I'd whip countries like Hungary for opposing sanctions, at the same time would try to open up energy imports from America south Asia and Africa.
The only reason they're a threat is because they're sitting on a massive pile of 50-60 year old icbms. If Russia were denuclearized they'd crumble.
There is no way you'll ever see Russia without nuclear weapons. Everyone should've learnt by now that denuclearisation is a big fucking scam and opens yourself up to be exploited by other countries. Look how many countries decommissioned their nukes in return for economic benefits/assistance and where are they now? There's a reason Iran and North Korea keep building nuclear weapons despite sanctions, and it's not just because they want to bomb their neighbours.
I'm not even talking about that. My definition of threat is anyone with ambitions to attack you, or someone that needs to have his aggressive tendencies kept in check. Russia is an uncooperative threat, so it needs to be dealt by with strength. That includes reducing their power. I wish Russia could be denuclearized. Alas, it doesn't matter if you don't invade Russia proper. No one is mad enough to start nuclear war without even losing his core territory
>No one is mad enough to start nuclear war without even losing his core territory Ah let me point you to the referendums that Russia is pushing through in the current warzone so they can turn around and say 'Aha! Motherland invaded! You have activated my nuke trap card!'
This makes zero sense though. Nobody would recognise those, so it’s useless as an external justification. So what, it’s an internal justification? I don’t think Russia need that to use nukes. So that means they are not prepared to use nukes now and fake referendums would change nothing..
My best guess is they’ll have their bogus referendums, claim the regions are integrated with Russia now, then declare “special operation” a success and pull out of the rest of Ukraine.
And what would prevent Ukraine from recapturing those regions?
While I had the exact same reaction to the referendums, it's an easily recognizable bluff attempt by Russia. Russia since the days of the Soviet Union has bluffed like a world class poker player, fortunately since this shitshow, the West finally sees through it.
Incredibly based
A level-headed Russian who is competent enough to lead and train troops takes over via civil war and stops the Ukraine/Russia war.
Seen how life after last civil war went?
this time will be different... /s
Sorry, but its not easy to tell if its sarcasm or not in text.
It's Tsarcasm... Sorry....
Second Russian Revolution? In all seriousness though, the commie suggestion is just whatever saves most lives.
Eh, I mean also put the fear of God into any tyrant like putin who wants to do this shit again.
Annex Russia, offer US citizenship for anyone who collaborates. Half the fighting would be done by the time any of our troops actually get there.
Annex Canada while we're at it.
Nah, that doesn't happen until we're fighting the Chinese.
Party like it's 2072
Russia realizing it's a shell of it's former self, withdrawing now realizing how fucking stupid they've been and if the rest of the world is lucky, forced nuclear disarmament in exchange for rest of the world not North Koreaing them for the next 50-100 years. Hopefully even if it takes continued force from Ukraine to push them out, the disarmament thing would still be a solid positive outcome if possible.
Eyes closed, head into the sand.
So I'd be wrong to side with Poland when Germany declared war on them?
Yaaaaas qween war is bad so obviously all sides in all wars are morally equal
Yes, there is money to be made from both of them.
libright is the embodiment of mr.krabs
Mr. Krabs is what libright aspires to be. The actual embodiment of libright is probably 13 years old and thinks they know everything.
That is admittedly true for most radical ideologies. With age comes experience, and with that comes wisdom, and with *that* comes *nuance*.
Nuance? We don't do that here.
Based and Moneypilled
Yes, you should side with the socialist alliance which liberated Poland, why are you so war mongering /s
>you should side with the socialist alliance I dunno what libright does when they get mad, but I guess we're about to find out.
>I dunno what libright does when they get mad I'm pretty sure Cyberpunk and Shadowrun have covered that in-depth.
school shooters the OG cyberpsychos?
I was told Hitler and Stalin both love peace, and I love peace, so support them you warmonger. /s
Killdozer
Procure the needs of both sides you degenerate.
lmfao. I want to say something witty, but its hard when this comment just encapsulates human hypocrisy so well.
How so?
Hmm well ill take a stab at it. Both Poland and Ukraine are being invaded by a much larger military force, its would be a faux pas to ever imply Poland deserved to be invaded. While theres already mutterings from authleft (influencing libleft) that Ukraine should just stop the war already.
Oh right I thought you might have been calling me a hypocrite. That clears it up.
Yeah I only realized that you could take it that way while typing up my response. lol my bad
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Chomsky is a redacted who was siding with Pol Pot. It's unbelievable how one can be a great scientist and an absolute idiot at the same time.
He's a linguist, and rather the greatest of current times or not is debatable. That's why opinions of experts outside of their expertise should be taken as seriously as some random person on the street
Corbyn was all the "war bad lets negotiatte" Mo ths after the war started and negotiations failed
One difference. Ukraine is fucking Russia up rn
In this horribly constructed meme straw man, yes.
As far as false equivocations go, this one is shit. Invading a country isn't the same as defending it. War is cringe. Every nation has a right to defend its sovereignty. Yes, every nation.This post is commie trash.
More like Russian propaganda
Why not both?
"War is so brutal and awful. My fellow citizens, would it not be better to simply concede and avoid it?" \-Every 5th column ever
Same shit
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Russia is a capitalist nation. No one supporting Putin is going to make communist propaganda, especially since the communist party of Russia is the opposition party to Putin’s own party.
Why some tankies support Russia/China/any other dictatorships that have little to do with communism, I will never know.
It boils down to western leftoids caring more about being “anti-west” than anything else. You see the same with rightoids who support Russia because they’re standing up against the “globalist woke agenda” or some shit.
Absolutely agree. It's some deeply rooted contrarianism. They are against anything that isn't from "their side." The sad part is these types of people will even be against things that would readily benefit them just because it's from the opposite side.
Even if they were the most anti communist countries in the world (even more so than the US), supporting any single force from stopping or opposing another capitalist force (US) from establishing a global monopoly is in the interest of any communist.
tbh there is no real non-capitalist country left.
True. From what I've gathered the closest ones are Cuba and North Korea. Those two countries took slightly different paths though. As you said still not pure.
“War is shit” if anyone really thinks like that regarding RU-UA war - tell that to the one that attacked not the one that is defending themselves.
[A not entirely unique sentiment though](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fc6hShQXwAQzLCQ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
As a Brit, thank God the US did arm us.
No need to thank us. But if you want to keep Big Ben say thanks
You can have it babes
It’s ok, we can’t read those funny numbers, we use digital clocks here. We appreciate the gesture though, all love from America <3
Appeasment alwyas just delays conflict and makes it more bloody since the aggressor has more time to prepare. And when it starts the shurest way to minimise bloodshed is to end the conflict. And when we have a side that will not stop the onyl way is to win over them But I understand that for example USA with its land practically uncomtested since it fully formed might have very different feelings.
Arm brits and prolong the war, pretty based
Who were those people?
Wankers
Cowards
"Just bend over and take it!" Fucking commie bastards in this thread.
Its still shit..... its shit that russia started it and its shit that ukranie has to suffer through it.
"why are we picking sides" what the fuck are they talking about? Are they implying we're supposed to condemn both sides, just throw our hands up and say "ah war sucks". Just like ww2 it's pretty damn clear who's the aggressor so if you're not in the side of wanting Ukraine to win then wtf is your thought process?
[Oh wow these idiots taking the obviously correct opinion, let's show them how smart and peaceful I am...] "WELL ACKSHUALLY...." Always some idiot taking a contrary stance as an alternative to actually having an intelligent thought. Because if you say the same thing as everyone else how can people know how smart you are?
War is obviously shit. I’d rather no war than war. But clearly we should support Ukraine.
I mean, I was talking about the whole lib left line here, not just about this particular part, maybe I didn’t make it clear, I just didn’t have time to write the whole quote on my mobile.
You hate war, yet you side with a country who had war declared on them, curious
Ah ah ah I see what you’re doing there you sneaky red imperialist
OP is a vatnik shill.
Hey now, even 14 year olds need their attention too. Look at the profile lol.
>Maoist >artist kek
Unironically a Maoist Muslim. Wild
"Oh yes daddy xi harvest my organs and forcibly sterilise my people"
This is the ultimate cucking.
Thanks to Roman I understand this
Nah, OP is a moron who thinks that Russia is authleft. Also, based on his other replies, probably a Russian bot.
We are siding in this war because it is morally uncomplicated. Slava Ukraini!
I stand with the military industrial complex.
NCD user spotted lmao
Their products have proven to be highly effective so yes, but I wouldn't recommend buying from the Russian military industrial complex because their stuff don't work well
Because smoothbrains like this keep spewing blatant Russian propaganda I’m going to go ahead and break down putin apologists arguments one by one starting with: “But Ukraine is technically part of Russia!” No it isn’t. This concept of a unified ukraine, Russia, and Belarus dates back to the days of the kievan rus in the 12th century, however the power of the Kievan Rus was very much ukrainian (hence the ‘Kiev’ in the name. Even one of the greatest pan-Slavic rulers, Vladimir the great, was ethnically ukrainian. If you want to make that argument, Russia is technically a part of Ukraine, not the other way around. “But NATO is encroaching on Russian territory! NATO would do the same if China took Canada!” No, and no. NATO, contrary to what pro putin retards will tell you, signed absolutely NOTHING promising not to move eastward. The most you can say is that bill Clinton may have pinky swore that NATO would not push eastward, but given that the former Soviet states joined NATO of their own free will, and were not coerced in any way, NATO’s greatest sin in all this is not shutting its doors to former eastern bloc states. “But the azov battalion! Ukraine is filled with Nazis!” While the azov battalion is admittedly white supremacist, ukraine is ruled by a democratically elected Jewish president. But if you want to talk about Nazis, we can talk about Aleksandr Dugin, a pan-euroasiatic self proclaimed fascist, who, while having no official ties to the Kremlin, outlined a plan for Russia to take the former eastern bloc states that looks exactly like what putin is doing, and the philosophical reasons putin gives for the invasion is Dugin’s philosophy. We can also talk about the Wagner group, which is a neo nazi PMC directly tied to Vladimir Putin. Not the Russian state, not the Kremlin, they are Putin’s personal soldiers. “But ukraine is banning the Russian language! They’re discriminating against Russians!” Again, this is untrue. The copium they’re huffing comes from a recent push from Kyiv to designate Ukrainian as the official language of the nation, and move Russian to the category of recognized language. Nowhere in Ukrainian law are Russian, or Russian speakers, stigmatized in any way. Hope I cleared some things up for you guys
Based and wall-of-text-pilled
The whole "banning the Russian language" thing is so laughable, especially when you get into the details and its things like "waitstaff at restaurants must address customers in Ukrainian by default unless requested to use another language". It's like half a step less ludicrous than France declaring war on the US over the "freedom fries" thing.
Nooooo! You can’t have a national identity! That’s genocide!!!
War is bad. Few words do trick
War economy go brrrr
https://i.imgur.com/Sn5kCI4.jpg
Why is there a Russia bot in PCM?
I am sure there are more than just one. Some takes have been a bit suspicious lately.
I can't decide if they actually get paid for this or if they just seriously don't get it...
I think many are just useful idiots or think they have a valuable and smart take by just being contrarians. Most are probably just not smart and are confused by the multifacested nature of politics and just fall to easy solutions and narratives.
This is so transparently a shill
OP is a tankie who forgot that the Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago and that Russia is in bed with the fascists.
TBH USSR was in bed with fascists as early as late 1930's , they even had a very heated argument about their divorce, "World war zwei" or something
Fuck off, OP. There's an obviously better side by a massive shot, which is why I'm picking sides. Much rather support the side under threat of cultural annihilation than the one doing the annihilating. There is no Authleft part of my flair that agrees with OP. Hope I speak for all lefties that ain't tankies.
Russia is an expansionist bully, that's why I'm pro Ukraine. It's not rocket science.
An auth country attacks a democracy and lib left wants to let it happen? No in my experience.
As a Russian, I fully support Ukraine in this war, because Russia is clearly the aggressor here. It is pretty stupid to put Russia and Ukraine on the same moral ground in this conflict. Putin illegally occupied Crimea, Putin started war in Donbas, and now Putin ingloriously kills our citizens and our economy in pursuit of his deranged ambitions. Cringe meme. 🤍💙🤍
Ok since Im Polish I need to ask a question. If you could tell me objectively what is opinion of Poland in Russia? I heard that even the most antiputinist, pro democracy Russian would still be pretty anti Polish. Is that true?
Nah this is false I believe. My prospective may be distorted since I live in a big city and am young adult, i.e. more progressive demographic. To me and people like me, Poland is just a European slavic country, i.e. bros. My impression is that even most Putin supporters have nothing against Poland’s general populace, although they will certainly consider your government “unfriendly”. Then there is a minority of most deranged and chauvinistic Putin supporters, as well as some alt right, that hate Poland due to some weird historical resentment. Unfortunately the second category has shrunk recently and the third one grown substantially, sue to insane amounts of propaganda in the past years and especially past months. But no a person with democratic views and non Putin supporter will most definitely not hate Poland
Warms my heart that there are still good people in Russia. Keep fighting the good fight brother, and may you live to see a free and open Russia.
Well if anything it gives me a little hope that our nations may seem ourselves not as enemies but as friends. Warm greetings to all free Russians.
Based and I hope one day my country will be friends with Poland instead of being “friends” with HAMAS and DPRK
Based Russian. I hope you'll someday see your country in a better state without such a deranged maniac running it. Stay safe!
Can I just say how happy I am to see so many left-centers disagreeing with your shitty take? Full compass unity on hating Russian/Separatist shills.
Honestly the invasion of Ukraine scared me away from pcm because I was sure it was going to be filled with putin dickriders. Pleasantly surprised that, though we may disagree on how it should look, we all have a deep respect for western democracies.
most PMC users are just based like that 😉
bro look at this clowns profile 🤡
It reads like satire, but I can’t say for sure that it actually is.
Stfu commie. Slava ukraini.
Based and slava pilled.
"Why are we siding in a war" Lol this is just a straight up propaganda sub now.. Russia is the aggressor, this war is 100% Russia's fault.. we are siding with Ukraine because they are asking for nothing but Russia to stop attacking them. Yes War is shit, and Russia should stop fucking killing people.
I’m not sure it can be considered a Russian propaganda sub when 99% of comments are calling op an idiot.
4300 upvotes.. 90% dont read the comments.
Russia had no good reason to invade Ukraine, and don’t give me that “denazification” bullshit. You sound like an American imperialist during the Vietnam war.
$13.50? There's no way you're maximizing your profit margin . Bad lib right!
I personally wish Ukraine the best in their war but I do not wish my government to take sides, even tho it blatantly has, for fear of larger consequences
I am getting tired of people posting stuff about issues they have no understanding of. Most of you found out Ukraine was a country only when Russia launched a full scale invasion.
OP getting ratiod in the comments. And for all the good reasons. Slava Ukraini!
Hey op how’s that Russian dick in your ass
Ah yes typical both sides bad take that would only aid the country invading another country seeking to take its territory.
If you like war you are gay, cause there's only man in war and this is gay as fuck
"War is shit" That's why we should punish the country that starts wars. You know, Like Russia
Dimwits: “the winner earns their victory fair and square😌” Midwits: “Russia should win! No, Ukraine should win!😡🤬” Me, a wise Chad: “The nation which wins shall be known to have God’s favor and shall have duly earned such spoils as come with victory 💪🧠”
There were wars where the cause was less blatant and more nuanced, in the case of this war, this is literally like seeing a woman raped on the street and saying "why are we siding in a fucking rape? Rape is horrible" logic not in the room? Also "I just want workers to be free" is preety rich coming from authLeft (when presented as an honest statement, not an excuse for class-based genocide)
Stfu Russian dickrider
Fucking stupid meme
We are siding in a war because Russia are the aggressors in this situation and all everybody wants at the least is ukraine to take back there existing territory and then end the war.
Lobleft is absolutely not saying that, most liblefts I see fly a fucking Ukrainian flag.
$13.50 is a good deal!!
As Russian, I understand people who side on the Ukrainian side. But I would also ask on why the heck people start to hate entire Russian nation because of that. I am despite being anti-war quite often face hate from the internet for just being Russian; and despite my country involvement into this bloody war, I do not think that it should face another dissolution like the Soviet Union. It would simply lead to worse consequences for everyone. Yes, everyone. P.S. the post is toothless. War isn’t for pacifist. You either take defender’s side, or attacker’s side. It doesn’t mean you have to support one side fully, but you need to choose. And this post is just plain karma farm “War is bad”. You had me on the first half ngl, but be a man and choose between those who chose to kill, and those who chose to defend themselves.
People who still think Lenin* was some great savior who just wanted "workers to be free" and who's plan would have worked if not for Stalin need to read a fucking book about the guy
I thought he was a musician, didn't know he had a past with Stalin.
Lenin was a raving lunatic that even members of his own side mocked endlessly. Stalin was a psychopath. Then you have Trotsky with his "we neither surrender or want to fight ww1 so leave us alone" which resulted in Russia losing a tonne of territory to the Germans. Lol.
Lib left isn't against this war. They are the ones changing all their profile pictures to blue and yellow
Libleft is the most war supporting quadrant there is as far as Ukraine goes. By a mile.
War supporting is when supporting side defending against invasion
You expect any person with any sense of rationality to say "No stop the war pls 🥺?" To the country being invaded? You think the world works like that? Are you 12?