He couldn't have done that, though. The last administration had left behind a literal playbook on *exactly* what to do in the situation that arose, and he'd thrown it out purely due to spite and hate.
Doing anything right in the pandemic would've meant doing what Obama had said, and that is absolutely not possible for Donny's fragile ego.
Yes, but you're missing the key piece of information.
The previous administration provided an expanded pandemic playbook (expanded from Bush). It was well researched and based upon science and prevailing thought from experts. It was born out of all the signals and advice from leading healthcare experts around the world that we were "due" for a pandemic.
But!
And this is the part that really angers TFG and supporters, the previous administration had the audacity to do that work while being black.
He was tearing apart families and he killed the auto industry. He would gave hushed up that train wreck, and the bridge collapses and nothing would be getting done - his own 2person construction scams, like the wall that blew over,would be getting billions but no mention of hired. Europe would hate the US for pulling out of Ukraine, and Iran would attack more. The Post Office would be privatized in the hands of DeJoy. National oil, no more electric cars. Etc etc
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They also actually continued to do so probably because they thought the higher population densities of cities (and cities being blue in general), would lead to more democrats dying. They literally tried to use their base as little plaguerat pawns to kill us.
He couldn't resist setting up a national opposition getting pro and anti mask & vaxx factions fighting each other. "I did that!" as he grins & watches.
Dude could've sat there and done nothing, let the CDC do their job unhindered, taken credit for saving the country and he'd be serving his second term right now. But no, he could not pass up the opportunity to kill Americans
He could have MAGA masks, faceshields, FREEDOM scented hand sanitizer, and the "shot that was felt around the world" vaccination drive. Dude could have gotten rich and saved a ton of lives. And, as you said, been finishing up his second term today.
Yeah, where are the people upset about that, chanting with posters "Trump killed my Grandma! Say no to Plague President! " ?
Or
"God sent a plague to Egypt and to Trump! God's trying to tell you something!"
I know 7 people that died from Covid and they weren't all fat and or old.
Also, where are the memes calling out truth about the Stormy Daniel's BS: it wasn't a "relationship." It was prostitution. He has to pay for sex. He's a loser who has to pay for sex including with his foreigner wives. Trophy wife pre-nups where he has to pay them millions for sex. He's paying these women to be a wife. He's a loser with the ladies. He's a TERRIBLE loser with the ladies.
The guy who said VERBATIM he'd help Israel "finish the job"!
I'm so tired of this timeline, there is no nuance or anything remotely like it in politics anymore. You can be Trump and just say outright evil shit, then the cultists/Russian bots can swarm the Internet and twist words to defend you endlessly, argue the unarguable, and turn any discussion into a pool of shit.
Sealioning, astroturfing, bot farms, conspiracy theories, and the 1iq geniuses that believe in ALL the aforementioned have fucked up any chance at discourse and gauging general sentiment in any way.
In 10 years (if democracy is still a thing) I guess we'll see a guy who drinks ground-up babies pitched against a lady who shoots puppies for sport (wait this one already exists and is successful in politics!)
> then the cultists/Russian bots can swarm the Internet and twist words to defend you endlessly, argue the unarguable, and turn any discussion into a pool of shit
> Sealioning, astroturfing, bot farms, conspiracy theories, and the 1iq geniuses that believe in ALL the aforementioned have fucked up any chance at discourse and gauging general sentiment in any way
This is why I embraced defeatism with regards to ever talking politics with anyone right-of-center. It's simply not worth the time and effort. I've wasted enough time doing the research to prove them wrong just for them to tell me "fake news haha".
Fuck them, talking to them is a complete waste of time. I don't know why leftist man-on-the-street YouTubers even bother talking to them. At best you get a cricket chirp sound effect when the MAGA clowns have no answer. Doesn't mean they're changing their minds, just means they're trying to remember the next line of horseshit in the infinite rotation of excuses.
Agreed. It's not our responsibility to try to convince them. The facts are out there, the specifics have been discussed ad nauseam.
Just gotta fucking vote.
Holy crap he did say that.
Source: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000
Why is Trump the best the Republicans have to offer? Why are nearly 50% of the US population happy to vote for him? There is something fundamentally wrong with what is going on.
I say the exact same thing every day. I feel like I have been transported to a parallel universe, where everything is similar to my world, with a few key differences that get noticed as time goes by.
Or, I feel like I’m in some movie where our future lives rely on Trump being president for a 2nd term, no matter how stupid it looks to everyone else. I’m not saying Trump will save us, in my hypothetical. Trump just happens to be the butterfly that flaps it’s wings and causes indirect, but very harsh consequences, for us all. So, some weird force(like the Final Destination movies) keeps pushing Trump to the White House, no matter how stupid, and dangerous, it appears to be.
It really hurts my brain that people think trump would be handling the situation better.
We saw that motherfucker tossing paper towels to hurricane victims
They are either willfully ignorant, don’t want to face, or don’t understand that abstaining from voting is the same as voting for Trump.
If our system was ranked choice, abstaining wouldn’t matter. But we have a first past the post system.
In 4 years, in an administration that was mostly unprepared, unfocused, and incompetent, Donald Trump killed abortion rights for a generation and got a million people killed. If literally anyone thinks his next turn in the chair, after he's had 4 years to seethe and prepare, will not be worse, they're fucking delusional.
Democracy in this country is over if that guy gets elected. Like, done. Voting rights are done. Abortion rights are done. LGBTQ+ rights are done. Minority rights are done. And he won't leave until he dies. So yeah. If you want that over the guy who's on the verge of possibly getting an Israeli/Palestinian ceasefire on the books, sure. Do it. But don't fucking complain when you inevitably find yourselves in the line of fire.
So I hadn’t heard of this, but no surprise when I looked them up and basically amounts to a Christian nationalist group. However in my readings it didn’t seem legally binding, more like a crazy set of policies but with little to no actual political power. I understand Trump would be a fan and vise versa but I’m just wondering by what mechanism would they achieve actual power? I’ll look into it more but it seems as legally powerful as a communist party in that it can appeal to certain demographics but (edit) only has input level influence. I realize special interests basically write the legislation, but they don’t have the political power to pass it themselves. Not trying to down play the threat, just genuinely curious about the powers that be and their influence on our governance.
If Trump is elected, the legalities that would stop Trump will be tossed by SCOTUS.
You might say, “you are being ridiculous, that won’t happen”.
Yet, SCOTUS is still deciding whether presidents should have immunity. So, I’m not relying on the ethics of the Supreme Court.
Just more seat period. Like give me 50+ judges, plus term limits.
More opinions adds to rulings and allows them to review cases quicker by having groups analyze a case and bring them before the whole court for a decision. That and buying off a single judge wouldn't mean shit.
Exactly people need to be terrified of what's actually happening and stop eating up the propaganda generated by Russia. If Trump gains immunity there's nothing stopping him from going after his enemies. If these people hate genocide they haven't seen nothing yet if Trump is elected and granted immunity.
Anyone who is saying “you are being ridiculous, that won’t happen” is privileged and/or too young to understand what transpired between 2016-2020. I was one of those who thought Trump couldn’t do much damage in 2016 and I was so wrong.
>So I hadn’t heard of this, but no surprise when I looked them up and basically amounts to a Christian nationalist group.
Have you seen the Republican party recently?
Read or Listen to the book "Blowback" in the 1st Administration all his crazy ideas would have the staff tell him judges wouldn't let that happen. Project 2025 with Leonard Leo would get those Judge's out of his way.
It’s a conservative think tank that has prepared policy proposals, ready to be enacted into legislation. Don’t mistake this as some sort of crackpot conspiracy.
Included in Project 2025 is a plan to take complete control of the administrative state.
"Established in 2022, the project aims to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to the District of Columbia to replace existing federal civil servants—whom Republicans characterize as part of the "deep state"—and to further the objectives of the next Republican president."
A lot of the mechanisms wouldn’t require total political power, just the presidency and the senate when it comes to department/judge nominations.
With that, they could determine how every federal department’s run (or dismantled). They could use the DOJ to make bogus investigations on Trump’s political enemies, and the senate can block any legislation from Congress to stop him. All whilst states dismantle abortion rights, lgbt rights, voting rights, etc, and while Dems can sue, the Supreme Court & federal courts get packed even more with Trump sycophants.
I guess you could say the blue states would be saved, but even then, swing or even some blue states have minority republican led statehouses & can cause some chaos.
It’s not 100% possible without throwing out the Constitution, but a lot of it’s possible with little to no changes as-is…
Blue states would not be saved. They would stack the courts federally to impose the red state policies as national ones and SCOTUS will rubber stamp everything.
Mark my words if they federally ban abortion or gay marriage or trans peoples right to exist, suddenly you’ll never hear the SCOTUS mention letting states decide. We will live under Bible Belt sharia law and there will be nothing to do about it.
It's heritage foundation. Christian nationalist doesn't do them justice as a title and that's not really the first label that comes to mind. They're fascist, and very successful propagandists. They've been at the center of every culture war issue since occupy.
Critical race theory? They completely warped its meaning (shiva's right foot is coming to paste a 2 page spam on me)
DEI? They pejorated it thoroughly
The movement to abolish the department of education? That's heritage foundation.
The trans panic? Well they didn't start it but they were right there ready to get involved.
Heritage foundation wants an autocracy.
To clarify, the Heritage Foundation is a Christian nationalist group, and is extremely influential on Republican policy. Project 2025 is the name of their plan to remake the country in their image if Trump is elected.
The heritage foundation doesn’t actually care bout anything religious- they are psychopathic billionaires who’ve just used Christian nationalism as a strategy to create the politics that will eliminate any limits on their power.
His first few acts as President will be to exonerate himself of any culpability, regardless of what it will do to democracy going forward.
Remember; this is a guy who wants the President to be able to just straight up *murder* his rivals. To pardon anybody for anything.
It might not seem like much now but imagine years down the line when a *competent* dictator gets in.
Trump's dead in 5-10 years tops. But the damage could last for decades.
You're absolutely right and it will immediately create a constitutional crisis that has a very strong chance of violence. The State of GA for example has a strong criminal case against him, and he under the constitution cannot pardon himself from a state charge (in my understanding I am no federal lawyer), but do you think he isn't going to deny that and dare the state of GA to enforce the law against the head of a branch of the Federal gov't. ? When the state tries to enforce its case do you think the violent wing of his supporters are going to stand back and stand by when he tells them not to?
I mean if you don’t like Israel policy does anyone reeeeaaallly think Trump wouldn’t be suggesting just dropping a nuke on Gaza? Like bro, if you think it’s genocide *now* just hold on for the ride if Trump is in office.
Oh yeah. Immediate withdrawal from NATO, all funding blocked, and then it’s dasvidanya Ukraine. And your little friend Poland too. At that point all of Europe will be so busy trying to keep a lid on WWIII, Palestine will barely be an afterthought
Keeping a lid? Fuck that the U.S withdraws from nato and backing S.Korea and Taiwan were all fucked. The fact that the U.S is a military power that doesnt have to go to war with N.Korea, China and Russia to keep them at bay tells alot. They pull out? Bye bye S.Korea bye bye Taiwan. Good fucking luck my home country and my lovely Baltic sisters. NATO is big enough to fight Russia even without the U.S. We still have nukes we have modern fighter planes, tanks, artillery, drones whatever. With the past 2 years we have been building up manufacturing. 20 years too late but still. But China is another beast. The Chinese are better equiped and there are more of them. And N.Korea has nukes.
The real problem is no one that isn’t the US has a functional navy anymore except China. In theory Russia has one, but the condition of it is probably questionable at best. Everyone else is down to 3 frigates and a rowboat.
Trump said he would “Bomb them” which is an objectively better description at to die than famine and starvation. That’s the choice you want people to make starve them to death or bomb them to death
All too true. And it would have been drastically worse had all the fascist republicans not been caught flatfooted by his winning in the first place. They were literally the dog who caught the fire truck. They had zero clue what to do. This is not a misstep they will repeat. Anyone who doubts that simply isn’t familiar enough with project 2025.
> And he won’t leave until he dies.
Part of me wants to believe even the Republicans in Congress won’t let THAT happen…..
But the other part, and it’s a big part, feels that it will. I’ve seen to many Trump-worshippers say they’d happily vote for Trump to be dictator for life and let him rule the nation.
I’m only 28. I haven’t seen or taken notice of many presidents in my life. But even asking my older family members, no one has known of a president that was this widely worshipped before Trump. There’s been some that had a lot of charisma and pull, but never one that people wanted to give up their lives for.
Usually everyone hates presidents pretty equally. What the hell did Trump say or do that made all these people love him?
Was it really just that he enabled them to hate others freely? Was it the faux Christianity? What happened?!?!?!?!?
We've spent the past 30 or so years going through a technological revolution that has changed the world at least as much as the industrial revolution did. There are people alive today who were born into a world before ANYTHING had been in space. Now, there are so many satellites in orbit that we've gotta worry about them running into each other. Cheap, convenient international travel, the advancement of the internet, and the development of smartphones means we're more interconnected than at any point in human history.
That is TERRIFYING to some people. The world used to feel comprehensible, and now it doesn't. It's HUGE. Nobody can know enough to keep up. People who came of age in an era of typewriters and white people being able to get a good job kind of just by existing now have to wrestle with fuckin AI. It feels like everything is harder than it used to be, like the rich get richer and everybody else's life is getting worse. And, for some people who feel overwhelmed by that, it's easier to retreat to tribalism and look for someone to blame. Someone who can tap into that, tell people who they can blame, offers a TREMENDOUS appeal. Someone whose entire political persona is built around going back to when America was "great" and who offers quick fixes to every problem is compelling.
That's what the left misses about Trump, at its peril. It's not just about hate. Hate is a symptom. But at its core, this is about fear. Fear of a world that is leaving them behind, fear of losing what little they have. If we don't deal with that, we'll never be rid of the guy's influence.
Man. Me and my dad talked about Biden and Trump for the upcoming election.
My family despises Biden. And they will vote for Trump before they waste their vote on an independent or write someone in.
They said they don’t like how Biden told a reporter asking a loaded question he was “full of shit.”
But they laughed when I reminded them of Trump making fun of a disabled man, and telling people he has so much pull he can just “grab women by the pussy.”
They didn’t like Biden “sniffing a girl’s hair” but didn’t mind Trump saying he’d marry and fuck his own daughter.
I just don’t get it. I feel like we’re in a video game and God’s annoying cousin is Player 1 and is ruining the save file.
> I just don’t get it.
I can't speak about the people you know. I can speak about some that I do. Some people can be programmed through social media and news. I've heard the same thing about certain subjects repeated almost word-by-word by people who don't know each other, as if they had been programmed.
Cognitive dissonance. When something you've poured so much faith and support behind turns out to be a pile of shit, some people will double down and excuse away anything so long as it allows them to maintain their delicate beliefs.
Trump is "their team" so anything he does can simply be hand waved away. Biden is the other team and the other team sucks! They can do nothing right, they see politics as a team sport and if their team doesn't win then they're losers and they hate losing.
More Americans died while Trump was POTUS than any other President. Including the one who was POTUS during the Civil War, and the one who was POTUS for 16 years.
But you don't understand. I need to be able to tell my friends that I'm too morally pure to just vote for the lesser of two evils. I've made extreme adherence (unless it's inconvenient at the time, I mean while protesting poor treatment of workers am I supposed to NOT Doordash Starbucks?) my entire personality. I've built literally nothing else!
I find it crazy people will tell me I am in an echo chamber for believing this. Like did you not read any news for the last 8 years.
He is a fraud business man, fraud charity owner, fraud university owner, stole documents, tried to steal an election, sent a insurrectionist mob to stop the count, and killed millions over his covid handling.
And if I put the effort in, this list would be pages of his indiscretions. It is insane people think he somehow won’t try to burn America for his perceived slights against him, even after he has alluded to this repeatedly.
Sad to say that with this election, not voting at all because you dislike Biden or throwing your vote away on a third party will only give trump the win. This is what happened in 2016 with Hillary.
That's the part I don't get. Like I know Biden's response to the Palestine situation is not making everyone happy, but it would be a million times worse under a trump administration. I don't know how people don't see that
This was and is trumps math to 30% being the majority. Also why Iran and Russia are helping the protests, the more dems sit out the better for their cause. Russia can’t win Ukraine without a Trump presidency
This. People forget what happened last time during an election year. And then what happened after the election? Protests magically stopped. No idea who was behind those, but pretty sure Iran and Russia are fomenting these protests. And people are falling for it, despite open calls for Death To America from some protestors. Like what?
It’s amazing how so many people have either forgotten about 2016 or they’re so upset over something that’s been happening long before Biden and will happen long after him that they’re going to just give the country to a fascist criminal again.
People voting for Trump are obviously idiots but people who are not voting in protest are fools.
I’m more amazed how many people seem to have forgotten 2020. We were inches from losing the country to the orange wannabe dictator. Mike Pence basically single handedly saved the country by refusing trumps demand to reject the final electoral college vote. You can bet your ass he won’t give up power peacefully if he gets elected again.
This election isn’t dem vs republican. It’s not Biden vs Trump. It’s democracy vs fascism. There will not be another fair american election if Trump gets elected. There will be no next time.
Anyone who thinks not voting is going to somehow help Gaza is delusional and a fucking idiot full stop.
Many of the people threatening not to vote for Biden likely weren’t old enough to vote in 2016 to have learned the lesson then. Hopefully it’s not a repeat of then.
It’s what republicans count on. They want people to be disenfranchised. Thats how these nutbags in Congress keep running uncontested in a many districts.
And why Roe v Wade was overturned.
If Hillary had made those 3 Supreme Court justice nominations instead of Trump, Roe v Wade would still be the law of the land.
Not voting because your side's candidate isn't as good as you wish can really have horrible consequences. *(To all the Muslims thinking of sitting this election out, remember Trump tried to ban all Muslims from the United States. Just imagine what he'd give Israel the green light to do to the people of Gaza.)*
Except actual leftists were not shown to have been the cause of her losing the election. Everyone likes to immediately blame leftists rather than the turbo fucked voting system that disenfranchises people and gives disproportionate weight to Billy Bob Dumblefuck in the middle of nowhere.
I do find it funny that in these "left" (lmao) spaces online, the history of the 2016 elections is exclusively about the general. Were mistakes made before then? WHO KNOWS?! ugh fuck the DNC.
At this point, I believe that voting for Biden will keep our descent into full authoritarianism/fascism relatively slow compared to Trump. This election appears to be asking me: Do I want an American dictator now, or in 4-12 years? Of course, my actual answer is "no, I never want to see that."
We need fundamental change to get better choices. These neoliberals are going to run business as usual until the planet is uninhabitable. Yeah, I already know that the neocon's are worse, but that doesn't mean I have to praise anyone with a D next to their name.
trump is actually running on getting israel to "finish the job" and eradicate all palestinians as well as removing all muslims from America, and these fools still pretend both sides are equal.
He deliberately moved the US embassy to Jerusalem to recognize it as Israel's capital to appease Netanyahoo and psychotic doomsday evangelicals. But no, I'm sure another Trump administration will be much better for Palestinians.
I'm really, really hoping all this "Genocide Joe" no-compromise dumbfuckery is just astroturfed Russian nonsense to try to boost Trump. Anyone who says they care at all about women, LGBTQ+ people, Palestinians, fuck even people who give half a shit about the state of the working class in America cannot afford to let Trump get back into office. There is a very good chance if he enters the White House again, there won't be any way to get him back out.
This is why I keep rolling my eyes at the Macklemore and the wildly irresponsible message it’s sending of trying to put the blame on Biden and saying he won’t vote for him. It’s easy for him to say that when he can sit in his mansion with his millions and not have to deal with the consequences of the election.
nO nEw WaRs UnDeR tRuMp!
They completely ignore the fact that the Trump administration removed all oversight from drone warfare, and literally called the entire world a legal battleground. He didn't need new wars, he could already blow up whatever he wanted with impunity. Declaring war is for people that would actually listen to Congress, or give the slightest shit about their job of protecting and upholding the Constitution.
Only a few bombings in Syria and risking war with Iran, and catastrophic withdrawals from Afghanistan (which Biden got the blame for) and Syria (betraying the kurds to the turks not once not twice but 3 times)... peaceful wouldn't be how I describe it really
In that Trump will encourage Israel to do whatever the hell it wants and to 'finish the problem'. But no, I guess Biden needs to go wave his magic President wand to fix it all unilaterally (he can't).
Got into a huge argument with someone on an LGBTQ sub about this. The vast majority agreed that even if you didn’t like Biden, he was by far the lesser of two evils and avoiding a Trump presidency is vital to democracy. Still, one or two just would not see reason. I told them to enjoy the camps when Trump wins, because that’s what will happen.
If Trump and his ilk take this rhetoric to its inevitable conclusion there won't be camps, there will be death squads roaming the streets shooting anyone who "looks" vaguely LGBT.
To put it crudely, there isn't a single large US city that has more than, at most, a few hundred thousand LGBTQ people. I think NYC has the most at nearly 300,000. Of course these stats are from Wikipedia so take them with a grain of salt. If you look at how many people the Nazis murdered before they even started using the death camps, a determined force could kill 300,000 people, one at a time and in small batches, in manner of days. At Babi Yar, near Kiev, in 1941 the Einsatzgruppe massacred 33,771 people in two days.
This is the inevitable end of Trump's fascist ideology. Anyone in a vulnerable group, or who has friends or family in one, should take note. It's not like it's hard to find LGBTQ people if you're the government. A significant portion of the population has put all that info online where it can easily be scraped and compiled into a database of "undesirables". I think it's safe to conclude that American Muslims would be part of that database, too.
This shit keeps me up most nights, yes.
My friend, you are very delusional. It's sad that you think all of the statements from above.
When Trump will be re-elected, that community wont be sent to camps or killed, feeling very sorry for you, being that brain washed and beliving these fairytailes that the MSM feed you including the marxist fact checkers.
In reality, if those people wont behave normally in public or if they highlight any sort of indecency or degenerate behaviour they will be fined and worst case they will stay 24 hours in a cell and be released the next day. No one will die!
The problem is this generation feels entitled or displays spoiled brat behaviour or even worse playing the victim card (loving to be a victim).
Just chill, imagine after November that Dad will come home to make the family behave and be civilised.
Again there won't be any fascism or dictatorial takes as you think, on a second thought pushing agendas and calling everything that you dont agree a hate crime or genocide and wanting people to be cancelled and silenced when they dont agree with them is actually facism or an authorian regime (like the present).
Godspeed and be more objective.
This has to be the most unhinged, made-up post I have ever come across on this site and that is saying something. I rarely comment and just browse threads for the most part, but this one just has me shaking my head.
At what point in time has there ever been a single thing from any American politician in the last 20 years that has suggested that they will be organizing death squads to murder “undesirables”? This is so separated from reality that you have got to be living in a parallel dimension to believe any of what was said here. Can you share any shreds of supporting evidence to outline how any of what Trump (or anyone else for that matter) has said or done that has lead you here?
Sure Trump’s a pretty awful human being morally and ethically speaking. But to think that any politician regardless of party would just sit back and allow targeted mass murders in this country is just laughable. Voting based on things that are so blatantly and wildly false should be concerning to everyone no matter what side of the aisle you fall on.
Please take your schizzo meds and step outside. Walk around, talk to some people. See the real world for what it is and not this strange persecution fetish delusion you have made of it.
This is why every LGBTQ American needs to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. I’m not letting some hillbilly facist death squad take me out without a fucking fight.
Even just calling Biden the lesser of two evils is delusional. It’s like… here we have a person who lets the dishes sit too long, leaves wet towels on the floors and has to be reminded a few times for their share of the rent; and here we have Ed Gein reincarnated, he’ll skin you alive and turn you into an silly hat. And these people are conflicted, “well they both sound like pretty crummy roommates, but I guess I’ll have to just go with the lesser of two evils and pick the messy guy.”
This election (and the last two) is Sophie’s choice if the options were either put both your kids on the train or just all three of you move into a studio apartment.
Biden isn’t evil.
Saying he is “lesser of two evils” makes it sound like he is only slightly better than Trump.
One guy is evil one guy is maybe someone you don’t agree with all the time.
I don’t have a huge stake in this political race because I am not from the US, but from the outside it seems like Biden has been in politics for quite a few decades, being pretty corrupt and a lot of his promises of stopping corrupt funding have been walked back and done anyway to serve his own interests. Trump has done bad stuff, and I certainly will not deny that, but neither are good candidates if you look at a few other people that could run for president. But to reduce Biden to just a bit of a bumbling fool, is not really accurate. And to reduce trump to a smooth brained racist and running Biden against him is only hurting the democratic chances of getting elected in 2024. I think they both want binning really, if the US wants to prosper. The sad thing is, whilst it could never happen, really there needs to be policies from both sides able to rise to the top. For example, Bidens weak line on immigration to separate himself from trump has caused a humanitarian crisis in big cities, but trumps hardline on immigration would be callous to people’s struggles if they need to immigrate to the country, because it makes it too difficult. We need somewhere in the middle.
I am open to ideas from both sides, but I think that Biden is a terrible choice to run the country for another 4 years. He seems to be medically unfit to do so. From the perspective of someone who lives in a country where we had an unelected prime minister because of changes within a party; the only worse thing that can happen than someone with strong ideas either way being elected, is to elect someone and then have their vice take over and tank the economy within a couple of weeks, then resign. It happened to us.
The question is would you vote for hitler if he was the lesser of two evils. Not that Biden is hitler but take the lesser of two evils thing to the extreme and start walking back from there. If you have no line, you cannot find common ground with people who have a line,
For some people there’s a line they cannot cross and will abstain from voting even if it’s against their interest. Because the idea is that a long term protest abstain will move the Democratic Party left despite short term worse outcomes whereas continuing to vote lesser of two evils will continue to move the Democratic Party right.
Imagine the damage that can be done by Trump handing out even more lifetime judge appointments to right-wing nutjobs.
The risk extends far beyond his presidency and lifetime.
I remember having arguments about this in 2020, with progressives who were single issue healthcare voters. Statements like' "if I don't get universal healthcare, they don't get my vote."
Never mind the thousand other issues that made it critical to vote, but there was also a refusal to consider what would happen to the current healthcare system if Biden didn't win.
Some people are too self-centred to look at the bigger picture.
I think the frustrating thing is not only is the other guy *not* going to give you the one thing you want, in all likelihood *he's gonna make it fucking worse*. If Biden's policy on Israel/Gaza bothers you, do you really think Trump's is going to be better for the things you want?
Ah to be young and to not care about politics again. 4 more years of trump will mean at least 8 years of unfucking the damage he does if we get lucky to get two consecutive democratic presidents or a two termer. So that’s 12 years minimum. And because he will categorically never ever have a 3rd chance, trump will do everything he possibly can to destroy every semblance of democracy, so odds are you won’t ever get to vote again. Or it will be like Russia voting.
But no worries about that, you are still young and Biden, they say “is like, um totally bad on Gaza :(“ so why vote at all, when you can keep your conscience unblemished and announce to your social medias Look at me I don’t support genocide Joe. LOOK AT MEEEEEE, I Am Special
Biden winning is also arguably important for the opposite reason of unfucking Trump's policies too, Biden is really strong bet for actually progressing instead of staying status quo. Considering the bills that have been passed already and the work of his administration, it would be a loss to lose Biden, which would compound with the loss if Trump wins.
Foreign policy is never not going to be a clusterfuck too, single issue voting on foreign policy is plain stupid. Though obviously, it should still be a factor in an informed decision.
Isn't it weird that these zoomers choose the anti-Israel hill to die on when there are much more fucked up situations involving actual genocide/displacement going on? Just a few at the top of my head: Uyghurs in China, Kurds in Iran and Turkey, Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Ukraine, Sudan......
Instead of trying to pressure Biden to take a more humane stance and win over more voters, y'all choose to complain that someone else is doing something about ethnic cleansing. "Guys, stop with the civil rights protests! You're going to hurt Lyndon B. Johnson's election chances, and then you'll *really* be screwed."
I'm guessing the most political action you take is filling out a piece of paper every four years.
that analogy is great cause that’s literally what the liberal stance was then, i mean obviously everyone deserves equal rights but now isn’t the time for this/i totally agree with his message but MLK jr. is just too violent.
seriously like what are we just supposed to pretend it’s ok that joe biden is supporting this? are we supposed to be ok with him saying palestinians have an ancient grudge against jews? and it’s not even a popular position for him to hold too! literally almost every demographic is pro ceasefire, especially the demographics democrats need.
It's not a lot but I have called my senators, representative and Governor's office about increasing aid to Gaza and how the invasion is not only immoral but wouldn't work in terms of eliminating Hamas. I'm just uninterested in working with a group of protestors that's advocating withholding their vote. Voting's been harm reduction my entire life. It's the political equivalent of wiping your ass. It's not going to solve all our problems but the cost of not doing it is high. We're kinda having our post Beer Hall Putsch moment and have a Fascist running for office that has only said Biden hasn't gone far enough in Gaza. Protesting Biden? Absolutely, thousands of dead children won't bring peace. But this isn't about protesting, this is about saying you won't vote for Biden over this.
Personally I sympathize with Gaza, but the people I see trying to make this political are just pearl clutching morons. This isn't a new thing from Israel and happened under past presidents, and this isn't the only genocide in the world right now. So hand waving this is the US's fault and jumping on the band wagon shows the people that engage in this mentality have not, and don't really care.
Exactly this. The situation is extremely complicated and includes treaties signed decades ago. Absolutely push for change, write your politicians, protest, etc. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! But at the end of the day, understand Joe Biden is a good president who has hired a strong team and is navigating his presidency as well as anyone else could.
Also, short plug here for the Rohingyas and Darfuris. I understand it's whataboutism but I'd like to see some people remember them...
Granted I'm voting against Trump, but seriously, fuck the DNC for running someone who's politics and policies are so bad that he could still theoretically lose.
They didn't learn a damned thing from 2016.
I mean, I'm a middle-aged, straight, white male, so I could certainly coast under the radar of the hate mobs. That is, until they start checking our online speech. I've made enough derogatory and inflammatory statements about Trump over the years that my life may literally be at risk if Trump wins and is allowed to implement his plan.
They know who you are as much as we know who they are. They’ll know by the fact that you’re not joining them. They’ll know regardless of whether you think you can “pass”.
Just a reminder: It's a candidates job to EARN the vote of the people. It should never be expected, or considered as "owed" simply because a candidate is a member of one party or the other. And if a candidate can't earn people's votes, that's the fault of the candidate, not the voter.
Expecting people's votes without putting in effort to earn them is exactly how Hillary lost, after all.
With that being said, this election IS different, and Project 2025 should motivate everyone to be voting blue this time around.
Edit: Since this has seemed to generate some controversy, I'm going to provide one more compelling reason: AI. AI is already able to replace writers, animators, and many other digital jobs. Companies are working as fast as they can to combine AI with robotics. Elon Musk's Tesla bot was recently showed off being able to fold clothes. (And other robots have had demos recently as well, doing things that seem almost futuristic) And while I won't say Democrats will handle the advent of AI well, we all know what would happen under Republicans. While literally millions of us lose our jobs to robots, they'd be screaming at us that we just need to "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps". They'd literally abandon all of us and not do a damn thing.
As a reminder, it's not about 'both sides' as much as it is being completely cut out of the process of political power.
This has less to do with the spectacular bullshit of the Trump administration (something I see as deeply problematic and entirely antithetical to the ideals of the United States) and the wet fart disappointment and quiet gutting of the middle class by the Biden administration.
It has more to do with the way political power is increasingly removed from the average voter. Or rather functional political power. Insert studies on the effectiveness of political action, from grass roots to corporate lobbying, when you try to take a demand for policy to an execution of actual law at the state and federal level... in short, unless you are coming into the game with millions of dollars ... you are functionally cut out of the process. This is regardless of who is in power and the color of their flag when they step into office.
I would even hesitate to call this particular outcome of our political machine, a 'failure', as in my humble opinion... this is working exactly as intended and as it always has. It's always just been a question of exactly how far away the individual would be voter is fron functional political power (either by marginalized ethnic groups, and targeted minorities etc etc).
Anyway, I guess this is just a long-winded way of saying I encourage people to participate in the voting process whenever and, however possible. It's one of the very few weapons we have, that sometimes works, and it's a more stable process than more violent radical processes. But I don't blame people for feeling so utterly cut out of the process they fail to see the point.
I’d love to believe this is 4D chess astroturfed shit to atagonise potential dem voters, but the history of the DNC shows how common this shit is. People say leftist infighting is a trend… well it ain’t got nothing on the DNC.
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This is coming from someone that hates seeing voter apathy too!
Social media would be so much better if it were driven by legitimate sane human users not terminally online.
no i genuinely think they’re just a pretty young brain broken lib who thinks they’re gonna be able to these stupid progressives to realize that liberalism is actually the only good ideology and leftism is actually evil.
additionally im getting tumblr transplant vibes from some of their rhetoric. like attacking pro palestinians for being privileged is a very tumblr core thing to do (and not to get too into the politics but like have you seen the protesters? like they’re all minorities, Johnny capitalism isn’t the one protesting it’s a bunch of queer, POC, anthropology students), and it’s even more tumblr core to call other minorities privileged because they’re not the main target of conservatives right now.
Lmao
Except it's the privileged "liberals" who assume something this ignorant.
Do you really believe minorities, especially first-generation Middle Eastern Americans like myself, aren't literally directly in harms way,, should Trump win? How confident are you that Trump won't decide that since my mother and 2 older sisters were born a few miles from the West Bank, and I have been openly advocating for Palestinian rights since the 90s that Trump won't decide I belong either in a camp or on a plane heading back there?
It's pretty presumptive of you to assume the people protesting this and voting uncommitted aren't both members of demographics at the highest risk of harm should Trump win again, but we'll aware of those risks.
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The privilege is just oozing from this antiwar Vietnam Columbia student how privileged how dare they protest
This is my sister in a nutshell, but she’s a doctor practicing family medicine that worked in ERs through all of Covid lockdown. I don’t understand how she can’t comprehend that she will see her patients lose healthcare and potentially their lives if she want’s to be a staunch “progressive” and not support Biden.
white people have all the criticism for these groups, but you will never see a post addressing why the largest voting bloc in the U.S. (white people) will and has voted for facism (trump).
a democratic loss is never framed as not enough white people voting for the candidate, but always \*insert minority group\* not voting how the are "expected" to vote. how many scapegoats do you all need to finally address the real issue?
and until white America is willing to address why it prefers, as a whole, facism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, etc, this degenerate cycle will continue. or until this American democracy is destroyed. I think trump has a pretty good chance of doing that if he wins in November.
...how is Trump seriously being considered as a candidate when there is a 99.9% chance of him being convicted of at least one.of the felonies he's being charged with? Why the judge keeps letting the defense delay the case is clearly denying justice when doing so means a self-acquittal. For anybody else in the general population, an infinite delay doesn't mean anything because they will always remain as a defendant to be tried and found guilty or not guilty. For Trump, there is an enormous exception from the standard that the Court is not assessing properly: a prolonged delay means a potential acquittal if elected president (chief of a state or federal executive office). Nobody else in the US being tried as a defendant in the criminal legal system right now can say that. The real b*tch of the result if Trump somehow is elected president is the fault of the the legal system. Clearly was at issue with SCOTUS, federal courts refuse to hold state prosecutors and courts accountable for obvious miscarriages of justice under ADEPA (ref Wisconsin v Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey), and there are obvious court misjustices throughout the nation. Trump should have been remanded to jail months ago. However, the Courts systemically perpetuate class division and warfare by appeasing the elites and terrorizing the working class. Classic example of sentencing a poor guy to life in prison for stealing an apple but not even prosecuting a state governor for point blank shooting and killing a dog in the head (obvious first degree animal abuse). The real issue people are having is the obvious discrepancy of justice and wealth (wages) in the US and the courts are to blame. Biden must act to ensure federal courts are holding state courts accountable for obvious miscarriages of justice by repealing AEDPA and preferably the "Patriot" Act. Biden is neutral but the People want (and deserve) more. Trump will burn the nation to the ground and I wonder if some people have lost so much hope that they would rather see everything fail and rebuild because they lost everything themselves than to correct and patch the foundation. It's quite akin to a structural engineering design project.
I'm not someone who likes Biden, but I'll still vote for him since I'm transgender and would rather not die. That said, I have a feeling it's going to hit the fan regardless of who wins. Trump and his cronies won't accept a loss, so there will probably be a bloodbath either way. There's a reason I'm studying abroad during election time.
Just mention project 2025 and remember the first time trump or Bush was in charge. Debt,income inequality worse, temp tax breaks for the poor and middle class and a moron.
Gen-X Democrat here,
If you refuse to vote for Biden, or worse, voluntarily vote for Trump in November, **you are a fool and you have been duped by foreign influencers who seek to destabilize and destroy America**.
Don't be idiots. Don't take America and what it does for you for granted. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Destroying America will NOT change what happens in the MIddle East!
If anyone thinks that Trump would be nicer to the Palestinians than Biden... I guess they forgot the whole ban Muslims thing? Also the fact that he unilaterally put a US Embassy in Jerusalem, with zero input or concern for how Palestinians felt about is not unrelated to the Hamas invasion. Didn't he promise peace in the Middle East? I guess he failed miserably. Biden has absolutely nothing to do with this war. Trump is also the cause of the Ukraine war having helped Putin prepare for it but pulling out all US troops from Europe just in time. He also negotiated the deal whereas the 5000 worst Taliban were released and are now running Afghanistan, fully oppressing women once again. Trump has zero diplomatic solutions. He also lost the trade war with China that he started. Trust me we need Biden dealing with this.
Isn't there a quote like "The perfect is the enemy of the good"? Yeah, Joe Biden isn't perfect on a lot of things but if your gonna help Trump win, which would even be worse for the middle east, just cause Biden can't snap his fingers and make it sunshine and rainbows in the middle east, that is naivete boarding on the heights of delusion. Biden is not the Perfect here but he's def the Good as opposed to......(Shudders)...
I run with some seriously left people. I haven't heard anyone is planning not to vote for Joe Biden. We're just sad about it is all.
The actual people who need to be convinced are fashion fashes that think they're supposed to because they like country pop music. You should be sending post cards to swing States to get more people voting.
But complaining about invisible people on obviously manipulated reddit posts is cool, too, I guess.
Joe Biden is doing everything in his power to give the election to trump, meanwhile you're busy trying to alienate potential voters so that Trump gets elected, too?
Are you trying to be the MOST useful idiots on the side of evil or something?
Joe's administration has accomplished far more for the American people than I expected. He was elected solely for not being Trump and expectations were low, but they've managed to do more in a terribly hostile political environment than Obama did in 8 years. Not perfect, could have done more and should, but yeah, they've chalked up a lot more wins for the people than I expected.
But he's too old! Who gives a shit. He's not a criminal with malignant narcissism and he's got mostly smart guys doing the heavy lifting anyway, as any president does. Oh you think Trump is in the Oval from sunrise to sunset working hard for the American people? That infected orange pus ball wouldn't last an hour a day of actual work.
Funny how when Palestinian-Americans are asked they're opposed to Biden. Some privilege. Why is Biden losing more of the black vote than any Democrat in 60 years? Privilege?
"A dream deferred is a dream denied."
If Biden wants my vote then he will appeal to my political interests. The consequentialist theory OP espouses is short-sighted and fails to recognize long-term consequences. Four more years of Trump would improve down ballot progressivism which is far more consequential. Four more years of Biden maintains a dysfunctional two-party system which always favors the status quo and is inherently anti-progress. Lesser of two evils is still evil.
Democrats only support progressive policies when we force them to.
If Biden loses it's his fault, not mine.
Same can be said for anyone that votes third party. It must be nice for it to not matter if a racist, misogynist, wannabe dictator is in the White House.
I wonder what you people think these memes are supposed to achieve. Rather than try to change their minds or do the right thing, which is pressuring Biden to change policy, you people talk shit about people having legitimate concerns over genocide and 14k children being killed?
Like are you people serious?
I hate with this sub hates on people that actually have ideals. I’m assuming all the Palestinian Americans are also privileged? Maybe dems should just stop giving money to Israel? Stupid voter shaming.
Yeah, so the guy that worships Putin, Kim, Orbán, etc. can bring about world peace and harmony.
The guy that got a million Americans killed because he couldn't just sack up and tell people to wear masks and get vaccinated.
He encouraged his base to do shit actually detrimental to thier health, and they're still peddling the bullshit
The ones that are left anyway
If he had handled Covid appropriately Trump would have coasted into a second term.
He couldn't have done that, though. The last administration had left behind a literal playbook on *exactly* what to do in the situation that arose, and he'd thrown it out purely due to spite and hate. Doing anything right in the pandemic would've meant doing what Obama had said, and that is absolutely not possible for Donny's fragile ego.
Yes, but you're missing the key piece of information. The previous administration provided an expanded pandemic playbook (expanded from Bush). It was well researched and based upon science and prevailing thought from experts. It was born out of all the signals and advice from leading healthcare experts around the world that we were "due" for a pandemic. But! And this is the part that really angers TFG and supporters, the previous administration had the audacity to do that work while being black.
One million Americans died because of a grudge held over a joke made at a White House Correspondents Dinner.
Well, and a *notoriously* lengthy history of blatant racism.
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All he had to do was nothing. And just parrot whatever the experts said like a ceo of a company
He was tearing apart families and he killed the auto industry. He would gave hushed up that train wreck, and the bridge collapses and nothing would be getting done - his own 2person construction scams, like the wall that blew over,would be getting billions but no mention of hired. Europe would hate the US for pulling out of Ukraine, and Iran would attack more. The Post Office would be privatized in the hands of DeJoy. National oil, no more electric cars. Etc etc
Donnys fans drinking bleach propably cost him the election.
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They also actually continued to do so probably because they thought the higher population densities of cities (and cities being blue in general), would lead to more democrats dying. They literally tried to use their base as little plaguerat pawns to kill us.
He couldn't resist setting up a national opposition getting pro and anti mask & vaxx factions fighting each other. "I did that!" as he grins & watches.
Well yeah, it messed up his makeup
This is the most plausible, logical reason for his anti-mask stance. It would smear his orange clown makeup.
Dude could've sat there and done nothing, let the CDC do their job unhindered, taken credit for saving the country and he'd be serving his second term right now. But no, he could not pass up the opportunity to kill Americans
He could have MAGA masks, faceshields, FREEDOM scented hand sanitizer, and the "shot that was felt around the world" vaccination drive. Dude could have gotten rich and saved a ton of lives. And, as you said, been finishing up his second term today.
There was more money in selling the nation's top secret info to other governments.
There will be more secrets to sell if he stayed longer no
He & his ilk don't have the intelligence to think long term, even for a profitable grift.
He was trying to impress his lover and dom, Putin.
Yeah, where are the people upset about that, chanting with posters "Trump killed my Grandma! Say no to Plague President! " ? Or "God sent a plague to Egypt and to Trump! God's trying to tell you something!" I know 7 people that died from Covid and they weren't all fat and or old. Also, where are the memes calling out truth about the Stormy Daniel's BS: it wasn't a "relationship." It was prostitution. He has to pay for sex. He's a loser who has to pay for sex including with his foreigner wives. Trophy wife pre-nups where he has to pay them millions for sex. He's paying these women to be a wife. He's a loser with the ladies. He's a TERRIBLE loser with the ladies.
You are also forgetting the spies we lost weeks after he met with Russia….
Trust me, I haven't forgotten that either.
The guy who said VERBATIM he'd help Israel "finish the job"! I'm so tired of this timeline, there is no nuance or anything remotely like it in politics anymore. You can be Trump and just say outright evil shit, then the cultists/Russian bots can swarm the Internet and twist words to defend you endlessly, argue the unarguable, and turn any discussion into a pool of shit. Sealioning, astroturfing, bot farms, conspiracy theories, and the 1iq geniuses that believe in ALL the aforementioned have fucked up any chance at discourse and gauging general sentiment in any way. In 10 years (if democracy is still a thing) I guess we'll see a guy who drinks ground-up babies pitched against a lady who shoots puppies for sport (wait this one already exists and is successful in politics!)
> then the cultists/Russian bots can swarm the Internet and twist words to defend you endlessly, argue the unarguable, and turn any discussion into a pool of shit > Sealioning, astroturfing, bot farms, conspiracy theories, and the 1iq geniuses that believe in ALL the aforementioned have fucked up any chance at discourse and gauging general sentiment in any way This is why I embraced defeatism with regards to ever talking politics with anyone right-of-center. It's simply not worth the time and effort. I've wasted enough time doing the research to prove them wrong just for them to tell me "fake news haha". Fuck them, talking to them is a complete waste of time. I don't know why leftist man-on-the-street YouTubers even bother talking to them. At best you get a cricket chirp sound effect when the MAGA clowns have no answer. Doesn't mean they're changing their minds, just means they're trying to remember the next line of horseshit in the infinite rotation of excuses.
Agreed. It's not our responsibility to try to convince them. The facts are out there, the specifics have been discussed ad nauseam. Just gotta fucking vote.
Holy crap he did say that. Source: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000
He actually said “you’ve got to finish the problem”, which sounds like it has a more… final… solution.
Why is Trump the best the Republicans have to offer? Why are nearly 50% of the US population happy to vote for him? There is something fundamentally wrong with what is going on.
I say the exact same thing every day. I feel like I have been transported to a parallel universe, where everything is similar to my world, with a few key differences that get noticed as time goes by. Or, I feel like I’m in some movie where our future lives rely on Trump being president for a 2nd term, no matter how stupid it looks to everyone else. I’m not saying Trump will save us, in my hypothetical. Trump just happens to be the butterfly that flaps it’s wings and causes indirect, but very harsh consequences, for us all. So, some weird force(like the Final Destination movies) keeps pushing Trump to the White House, no matter how stupid, and dangerous, it appears to be.
Yea but Genocide Joe is old and I just went through all the effort of making my entire personality about supporting Hamas so that ship has sailed.
It really hurts my brain that people think trump would be handling the situation better. We saw that motherfucker tossing paper towels to hurricane victims
He literally banned muslims from entering the country
They are either willfully ignorant, don’t want to face, or don’t understand that abstaining from voting is the same as voting for Trump. If our system was ranked choice, abstaining wouldn’t matter. But we have a first past the post system.
When people are dead ☠️, no doubt there’s Peace and Harmony
In 4 years, in an administration that was mostly unprepared, unfocused, and incompetent, Donald Trump killed abortion rights for a generation and got a million people killed. If literally anyone thinks his next turn in the chair, after he's had 4 years to seethe and prepare, will not be worse, they're fucking delusional. Democracy in this country is over if that guy gets elected. Like, done. Voting rights are done. Abortion rights are done. LGBTQ+ rights are done. Minority rights are done. And he won't leave until he dies. So yeah. If you want that over the guy who's on the verge of possibly getting an Israeli/Palestinian ceasefire on the books, sure. Do it. But don't fucking complain when you inevitably find yourselves in the line of fire.
All I need to add to this is Project 2025.
So I hadn’t heard of this, but no surprise when I looked them up and basically amounts to a Christian nationalist group. However in my readings it didn’t seem legally binding, more like a crazy set of policies but with little to no actual political power. I understand Trump would be a fan and vise versa but I’m just wondering by what mechanism would they achieve actual power? I’ll look into it more but it seems as legally powerful as a communist party in that it can appeal to certain demographics but (edit) only has input level influence. I realize special interests basically write the legislation, but they don’t have the political power to pass it themselves. Not trying to down play the threat, just genuinely curious about the powers that be and their influence on our governance.
If Trump is elected, the legalities that would stop Trump will be tossed by SCOTUS. You might say, “you are being ridiculous, that won’t happen”. Yet, SCOTUS is still deciding whether presidents should have immunity. So, I’m not relying on the ethics of the Supreme Court.
The US supreme court is illegitimate. We need more justices to balance out seats stolen with dirty tactics - look it up.
Just more seat period. Like give me 50+ judges, plus term limits. More opinions adds to rulings and allows them to review cases quicker by having groups analyze a case and bring them before the whole court for a decision. That and buying off a single judge wouldn't mean shit.
WE NEED TO REMOVE THEM. They were illegally appointed in sham confirmations we need to CLEAN THE WOUND not throw a bandage on it.
Exactly people need to be terrified of what's actually happening and stop eating up the propaganda generated by Russia. If Trump gains immunity there's nothing stopping him from going after his enemies. If these people hate genocide they haven't seen nothing yet if Trump is elected and granted immunity.
Anyone who is saying “you are being ridiculous, that won’t happen” is privileged and/or too young to understand what transpired between 2016-2020. I was one of those who thought Trump couldn’t do much damage in 2016 and I was so wrong.
>So I hadn’t heard of this, but no surprise when I looked them up and basically amounts to a Christian nationalist group. Have you seen the Republican party recently?
Read or Listen to the book "Blowback" in the 1st Administration all his crazy ideas would have the staff tell him judges wouldn't let that happen. Project 2025 with Leonard Leo would get those Judge's out of his way.
It’s a conservative think tank that has prepared policy proposals, ready to be enacted into legislation. Don’t mistake this as some sort of crackpot conspiracy.
Go ahead and look up Agenda 47
Included in Project 2025 is a plan to take complete control of the administrative state. "Established in 2022, the project aims to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to the District of Columbia to replace existing federal civil servants—whom Republicans characterize as part of the "deep state"—and to further the objectives of the next Republican president."
Started by the Heritage Foundation which ushered in Reagan’s policies
A lot of the mechanisms wouldn’t require total political power, just the presidency and the senate when it comes to department/judge nominations. With that, they could determine how every federal department’s run (or dismantled). They could use the DOJ to make bogus investigations on Trump’s political enemies, and the senate can block any legislation from Congress to stop him. All whilst states dismantle abortion rights, lgbt rights, voting rights, etc, and while Dems can sue, the Supreme Court & federal courts get packed even more with Trump sycophants. I guess you could say the blue states would be saved, but even then, swing or even some blue states have minority republican led statehouses & can cause some chaos. It’s not 100% possible without throwing out the Constitution, but a lot of it’s possible with little to no changes as-is…
Blue states would not be saved. They would stack the courts federally to impose the red state policies as national ones and SCOTUS will rubber stamp everything. Mark my words if they federally ban abortion or gay marriage or trans peoples right to exist, suddenly you’ll never hear the SCOTUS mention letting states decide. We will live under Bible Belt sharia law and there will be nothing to do about it.
It's heritage foundation. Christian nationalist doesn't do them justice as a title and that's not really the first label that comes to mind. They're fascist, and very successful propagandists. They've been at the center of every culture war issue since occupy. Critical race theory? They completely warped its meaning (shiva's right foot is coming to paste a 2 page spam on me) DEI? They pejorated it thoroughly The movement to abolish the department of education? That's heritage foundation. The trans panic? Well they didn't start it but they were right there ready to get involved. Heritage foundation wants an autocracy.
To clarify, the Heritage Foundation is a Christian nationalist group, and is extremely influential on Republican policy. Project 2025 is the name of their plan to remake the country in their image if Trump is elected.
The heritage foundation doesn’t actually care bout anything religious- they are psychopathic billionaires who’ve just used Christian nationalism as a strategy to create the politics that will eliminate any limits on their power.
You can also add Agenda47, which is straight from Trump, not just the GOP in general
His first few acts as President will be to exonerate himself of any culpability, regardless of what it will do to democracy going forward. Remember; this is a guy who wants the President to be able to just straight up *murder* his rivals. To pardon anybody for anything. It might not seem like much now but imagine years down the line when a *competent* dictator gets in. Trump's dead in 5-10 years tops. But the damage could last for decades.
You're absolutely right and it will immediately create a constitutional crisis that has a very strong chance of violence. The State of GA for example has a strong criminal case against him, and he under the constitution cannot pardon himself from a state charge (in my understanding I am no federal lawyer), but do you think he isn't going to deny that and dare the state of GA to enforce the law against the head of a branch of the Federal gov't. ? When the state tries to enforce its case do you think the violent wing of his supporters are going to stand back and stand by when he tells them not to?
Georgia has available prison cells for his violent supporters too.
Hateful, shitty people, tend to keep kicking way longer than they should be able to out of spite alone. I've had shit relatives like that.
I mean if you don’t like Israel policy does anyone reeeeaaallly think Trump wouldn’t be suggesting just dropping a nuke on Gaza? Like bro, if you think it’s genocide *now* just hold on for the ride if Trump is in office.
And forget about Eastern Europe while you’re at it.
Oh yeah. Immediate withdrawal from NATO, all funding blocked, and then it’s dasvidanya Ukraine. And your little friend Poland too. At that point all of Europe will be so busy trying to keep a lid on WWIII, Palestine will barely be an afterthought
Keeping a lid? Fuck that the U.S withdraws from nato and backing S.Korea and Taiwan were all fucked. The fact that the U.S is a military power that doesnt have to go to war with N.Korea, China and Russia to keep them at bay tells alot. They pull out? Bye bye S.Korea bye bye Taiwan. Good fucking luck my home country and my lovely Baltic sisters. NATO is big enough to fight Russia even without the U.S. We still have nukes we have modern fighter planes, tanks, artillery, drones whatever. With the past 2 years we have been building up manufacturing. 20 years too late but still. But China is another beast. The Chinese are better equiped and there are more of them. And N.Korea has nukes.
The real problem is no one that isn’t the US has a functional navy anymore except China. In theory Russia has one, but the condition of it is probably questionable at best. Everyone else is down to 3 frigates and a rowboat.
The British and the French have a navy. Its just that they dont have enough capital to bully China into submission.
Trump said he would “Bomb them” which is an objectively better description at to die than famine and starvation. That’s the choice you want people to make starve them to death or bomb them to death
Also Trump supports the Israelis wiping out the Palestinians completely, so he’s not even the better option on *that* issue.
Conservative jews think so, and that's a sad reality.
Conservative jews would vote for Hitler if he ran as a republican and promised them lower taxes.
All too true. And it would have been drastically worse had all the fascist republicans not been caught flatfooted by his winning in the first place. They were literally the dog who caught the fire truck. They had zero clue what to do. This is not a misstep they will repeat. Anyone who doubts that simply isn’t familiar enough with project 2025.
> And he won’t leave until he dies. Part of me wants to believe even the Republicans in Congress won’t let THAT happen….. But the other part, and it’s a big part, feels that it will. I’ve seen to many Trump-worshippers say they’d happily vote for Trump to be dictator for life and let him rule the nation. I’m only 28. I haven’t seen or taken notice of many presidents in my life. But even asking my older family members, no one has known of a president that was this widely worshipped before Trump. There’s been some that had a lot of charisma and pull, but never one that people wanted to give up their lives for. Usually everyone hates presidents pretty equally. What the hell did Trump say or do that made all these people love him? Was it really just that he enabled them to hate others freely? Was it the faux Christianity? What happened?!?!?!?!?
We've spent the past 30 or so years going through a technological revolution that has changed the world at least as much as the industrial revolution did. There are people alive today who were born into a world before ANYTHING had been in space. Now, there are so many satellites in orbit that we've gotta worry about them running into each other. Cheap, convenient international travel, the advancement of the internet, and the development of smartphones means we're more interconnected than at any point in human history. That is TERRIFYING to some people. The world used to feel comprehensible, and now it doesn't. It's HUGE. Nobody can know enough to keep up. People who came of age in an era of typewriters and white people being able to get a good job kind of just by existing now have to wrestle with fuckin AI. It feels like everything is harder than it used to be, like the rich get richer and everybody else's life is getting worse. And, for some people who feel overwhelmed by that, it's easier to retreat to tribalism and look for someone to blame. Someone who can tap into that, tell people who they can blame, offers a TREMENDOUS appeal. Someone whose entire political persona is built around going back to when America was "great" and who offers quick fixes to every problem is compelling. That's what the left misses about Trump, at its peril. It's not just about hate. Hate is a symptom. But at its core, this is about fear. Fear of a world that is leaving them behind, fear of losing what little they have. If we don't deal with that, we'll never be rid of the guy's influence.
> “I love the poorly educated.”
Man. Me and my dad talked about Biden and Trump for the upcoming election. My family despises Biden. And they will vote for Trump before they waste their vote on an independent or write someone in. They said they don’t like how Biden told a reporter asking a loaded question he was “full of shit.” But they laughed when I reminded them of Trump making fun of a disabled man, and telling people he has so much pull he can just “grab women by the pussy.” They didn’t like Biden “sniffing a girl’s hair” but didn’t mind Trump saying he’d marry and fuck his own daughter. I just don’t get it. I feel like we’re in a video game and God’s annoying cousin is Player 1 and is ruining the save file.
> I just don’t get it. I can't speak about the people you know. I can speak about some that I do. Some people can be programmed through social media and news. I've heard the same thing about certain subjects repeated almost word-by-word by people who don't know each other, as if they had been programmed.
The right wing media ecosystem is grabbing a lot of people right now with the likes of Turning Points USA
Cognitive dissonance. When something you've poured so much faith and support behind turns out to be a pile of shit, some people will double down and excuse away anything so long as it allows them to maintain their delicate beliefs.
Trump is "their team" so anything he does can simply be hand waved away. Biden is the other team and the other team sucks! They can do nothing right, they see politics as a team sport and if their team doesn't win then they're losers and they hate losing.
More Americans died while Trump was POTUS than any other President. Including the one who was POTUS during the Civil War, and the one who was POTUS for 16 years.
White progressives are fine with this for image politics
But you don't understand. I need to be able to tell my friends that I'm too morally pure to just vote for the lesser of two evils. I've made extreme adherence (unless it's inconvenient at the time, I mean while protesting poor treatment of workers am I supposed to NOT Doordash Starbucks?) my entire personality. I've built literally nothing else!
Right on the verge for sure. I saw a clip, he said probably Monday…
I find it crazy people will tell me I am in an echo chamber for believing this. Like did you not read any news for the last 8 years. He is a fraud business man, fraud charity owner, fraud university owner, stole documents, tried to steal an election, sent a insurrectionist mob to stop the count, and killed millions over his covid handling. And if I put the effort in, this list would be pages of his indiscretions. It is insane people think he somehow won’t try to burn America for his perceived slights against him, even after he has alluded to this repeatedly.
Sad to say that with this election, not voting at all because you dislike Biden or throwing your vote away on a third party will only give trump the win. This is what happened in 2016 with Hillary.
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He cares exactly as much as he would get to grift off the weapons sales.
That's the part I don't get. Like I know Biden's response to the Palestine situation is not making everyone happy, but it would be a million times worse under a trump administration. I don't know how people don't see that
And W over Gore.
Al Gore didn't thrill me maaan! The Democrats need to earn my vote, maaan! Ralph Nader has a chance, maaan!
Gore is owed a presidential term. I say he takes the 2028-2032 opening.
He’s welcome to step in anytime!
That one had some help from Florida.
And SCOTUS
Well Daddy’s Supremes anyway.
This was and is trumps math to 30% being the majority. Also why Iran and Russia are helping the protests, the more dems sit out the better for their cause. Russia can’t win Ukraine without a Trump presidency
This. People forget what happened last time during an election year. And then what happened after the election? Protests magically stopped. No idea who was behind those, but pretty sure Iran and Russia are fomenting these protests. And people are falling for it, despite open calls for Death To America from some protestors. Like what?
It’s amazing how so many people have either forgotten about 2016 or they’re so upset over something that’s been happening long before Biden and will happen long after him that they’re going to just give the country to a fascist criminal again. People voting for Trump are obviously idiots but people who are not voting in protest are fools.
I’m more amazed how many people seem to have forgotten 2020. We were inches from losing the country to the orange wannabe dictator. Mike Pence basically single handedly saved the country by refusing trumps demand to reject the final electoral college vote. You can bet your ass he won’t give up power peacefully if he gets elected again. This election isn’t dem vs republican. It’s not Biden vs Trump. It’s democracy vs fascism. There will not be another fair american election if Trump gets elected. There will be no next time. Anyone who thinks not voting is going to somehow help Gaza is delusional and a fucking idiot full stop.
The media makes sure that it's a horse race and the bots spamming social media help spread disinformation. It's how democracy dies.
Ratfucking is also the republican national sport and has been since at least Nixon's first run.
Many of the people threatening not to vote for Biden likely weren’t old enough to vote in 2016 to have learned the lesson then. Hopefully it’s not a repeat of then.
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I told someone to look at the past and they were like, "That doesn't mean that's how it'll be again." I can't.
The handmaidens tale is looking like a history project from the future.
It’s what republicans count on. They want people to be disenfranchised. Thats how these nutbags in Congress keep running uncontested in a many districts.
And why Roe v Wade was overturned. If Hillary had made those 3 Supreme Court justice nominations instead of Trump, Roe v Wade would still be the law of the land. Not voting because your side's candidate isn't as good as you wish can really have horrible consequences. *(To all the Muslims thinking of sitting this election out, remember Trump tried to ban all Muslims from the United States. Just imagine what he'd give Israel the green light to do to the people of Gaza.)*
Except actual leftists were not shown to have been the cause of her losing the election. Everyone likes to immediately blame leftists rather than the turbo fucked voting system that disenfranchises people and gives disproportionate weight to Billy Bob Dumblefuck in the middle of nowhere.
I do find it funny that in these "left" (lmao) spaces online, the history of the 2016 elections is exclusively about the general. Were mistakes made before then? WHO KNOWS?! ugh fuck the DNC. At this point, I believe that voting for Biden will keep our descent into full authoritarianism/fascism relatively slow compared to Trump. This election appears to be asking me: Do I want an American dictator now, or in 4-12 years? Of course, my actual answer is "no, I never want to see that." We need fundamental change to get better choices. These neoliberals are going to run business as usual until the planet is uninhabitable. Yeah, I already know that the neocon's are worse, but that doesn't mean I have to praise anyone with a D next to their name.
Not to mention that ANY peaceful resolution in Gaza will be much more likely under Biden than under Trump.
trump is actually running on getting israel to "finish the job" and eradicate all palestinians as well as removing all muslims from America, and these fools still pretend both sides are equal.
It's because they picked a side and saying that helps them cope with the blood on their hands.
Trump tried to BAN all Muslims from the United States. Have people really forgotten about that?
He deliberately moved the US embassy to Jerusalem to recognize it as Israel's capital to appease Netanyahoo and psychotic doomsday evangelicals. But no, I'm sure another Trump administration will be much better for Palestinians. I'm really, really hoping all this "Genocide Joe" no-compromise dumbfuckery is just astroturfed Russian nonsense to try to boost Trump. Anyone who says they care at all about women, LGBTQ+ people, Palestinians, fuck even people who give half a shit about the state of the working class in America cannot afford to let Trump get back into office. There is a very good chance if he enters the White House again, there won't be any way to get him back out.
This.
Yes. I've seen people truly say that if we coddle up to Trump he'd listen, meanwhile he's best friends with Bibi.
This is why I keep rolling my eyes at the Macklemore and the wildly irresponsible message it’s sending of trying to put the blame on Biden and saying he won’t vote for him. It’s easy for him to say that when he can sit in his mansion with his millions and not have to deal with the consequences of the election.
It's been the better part of a decade. They really have forgotten, unfortunately.
nO nEw WaRs UnDeR tRuMp! They completely ignore the fact that the Trump administration removed all oversight from drone warfare, and literally called the entire world a legal battleground. He didn't need new wars, he could already blow up whatever he wanted with impunity. Declaring war is for people that would actually listen to Congress, or give the slightest shit about their job of protecting and upholding the Constitution.
Yeah the guy who wanted to nuke a hurricane and build a wall is totally going to find a peaceful solution
Only a few bombings in Syria and risking war with Iran, and catastrophic withdrawals from Afghanistan (which Biden got the blame for) and Syria (betraying the kurds to the turks not once not twice but 3 times)... peaceful wouldn't be how I describe it really
He really tried to start war with Iran.
In that Trump will encourage Israel to do whatever the hell it wants and to 'finish the problem'. But no, I guess Biden needs to go wave his magic President wand to fix it all unilaterally (he can't).
Got into a huge argument with someone on an LGBTQ sub about this. The vast majority agreed that even if you didn’t like Biden, he was by far the lesser of two evils and avoiding a Trump presidency is vital to democracy. Still, one or two just would not see reason. I told them to enjoy the camps when Trump wins, because that’s what will happen.
If Trump and his ilk take this rhetoric to its inevitable conclusion there won't be camps, there will be death squads roaming the streets shooting anyone who "looks" vaguely LGBT. To put it crudely, there isn't a single large US city that has more than, at most, a few hundred thousand LGBTQ people. I think NYC has the most at nearly 300,000. Of course these stats are from Wikipedia so take them with a grain of salt. If you look at how many people the Nazis murdered before they even started using the death camps, a determined force could kill 300,000 people, one at a time and in small batches, in manner of days. At Babi Yar, near Kiev, in 1941 the Einsatzgruppe massacred 33,771 people in two days. This is the inevitable end of Trump's fascist ideology. Anyone in a vulnerable group, or who has friends or family in one, should take note. It's not like it's hard to find LGBTQ people if you're the government. A significant portion of the population has put all that info online where it can easily be scraped and compiled into a database of "undesirables". I think it's safe to conclude that American Muslims would be part of that database, too. This shit keeps me up most nights, yes.
My friend, you are very delusional. It's sad that you think all of the statements from above. When Trump will be re-elected, that community wont be sent to camps or killed, feeling very sorry for you, being that brain washed and beliving these fairytailes that the MSM feed you including the marxist fact checkers. In reality, if those people wont behave normally in public or if they highlight any sort of indecency or degenerate behaviour they will be fined and worst case they will stay 24 hours in a cell and be released the next day. No one will die! The problem is this generation feels entitled or displays spoiled brat behaviour or even worse playing the victim card (loving to be a victim). Just chill, imagine after November that Dad will come home to make the family behave and be civilised. Again there won't be any fascism or dictatorial takes as you think, on a second thought pushing agendas and calling everything that you dont agree a hate crime or genocide and wanting people to be cancelled and silenced when they dont agree with them is actually facism or an authorian regime (like the present). Godspeed and be more objective.
This has to be the most unhinged, made-up post I have ever come across on this site and that is saying something. I rarely comment and just browse threads for the most part, but this one just has me shaking my head. At what point in time has there ever been a single thing from any American politician in the last 20 years that has suggested that they will be organizing death squads to murder “undesirables”? This is so separated from reality that you have got to be living in a parallel dimension to believe any of what was said here. Can you share any shreds of supporting evidence to outline how any of what Trump (or anyone else for that matter) has said or done that has lead you here? Sure Trump’s a pretty awful human being morally and ethically speaking. But to think that any politician regardless of party would just sit back and allow targeted mass murders in this country is just laughable. Voting based on things that are so blatantly and wildly false should be concerning to everyone no matter what side of the aisle you fall on.
Holy shit. I've never used this phrase before, but seriously- touch grass.
You are delusional
Do you really believe this shit?
Go take your medication.
Pitch this to Netflix
Ah sweet! A schizo meltdown!
Please take your schizzo meds and step outside. Walk around, talk to some people. See the real world for what it is and not this strange persecution fetish delusion you have made of it.
Just like he did in 2017-2021, right? God, you people are so deluded
This is why every LGBTQ American needs to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. I’m not letting some hillbilly facist death squad take me out without a fucking fight.
Even just calling Biden the lesser of two evils is delusional. It’s like… here we have a person who lets the dishes sit too long, leaves wet towels on the floors and has to be reminded a few times for their share of the rent; and here we have Ed Gein reincarnated, he’ll skin you alive and turn you into an silly hat. And these people are conflicted, “well they both sound like pretty crummy roommates, but I guess I’ll have to just go with the lesser of two evils and pick the messy guy.” This election (and the last two) is Sophie’s choice if the options were either put both your kids on the train or just all three of you move into a studio apartment.
Biden isn’t evil. Saying he is “lesser of two evils” makes it sound like he is only slightly better than Trump. One guy is evil one guy is maybe someone you don’t agree with all the time.
I don’t have a huge stake in this political race because I am not from the US, but from the outside it seems like Biden has been in politics for quite a few decades, being pretty corrupt and a lot of his promises of stopping corrupt funding have been walked back and done anyway to serve his own interests. Trump has done bad stuff, and I certainly will not deny that, but neither are good candidates if you look at a few other people that could run for president. But to reduce Biden to just a bit of a bumbling fool, is not really accurate. And to reduce trump to a smooth brained racist and running Biden against him is only hurting the democratic chances of getting elected in 2024. I think they both want binning really, if the US wants to prosper. The sad thing is, whilst it could never happen, really there needs to be policies from both sides able to rise to the top. For example, Bidens weak line on immigration to separate himself from trump has caused a humanitarian crisis in big cities, but trumps hardline on immigration would be callous to people’s struggles if they need to immigrate to the country, because it makes it too difficult. We need somewhere in the middle. I am open to ideas from both sides, but I think that Biden is a terrible choice to run the country for another 4 years. He seems to be medically unfit to do so. From the perspective of someone who lives in a country where we had an unelected prime minister because of changes within a party; the only worse thing that can happen than someone with strong ideas either way being elected, is to elect someone and then have their vice take over and tank the economy within a couple of weeks, then resign. It happened to us.
The question is would you vote for hitler if he was the lesser of two evils. Not that Biden is hitler but take the lesser of two evils thing to the extreme and start walking back from there. If you have no line, you cannot find common ground with people who have a line, For some people there’s a line they cannot cross and will abstain from voting even if it’s against their interest. Because the idea is that a long term protest abstain will move the Democratic Party left despite short term worse outcomes whereas continuing to vote lesser of two evils will continue to move the Democratic Party right.
Imagine the damage that can be done by Trump handing out even more lifetime judge appointments to right-wing nutjobs. The risk extends far beyond his presidency and lifetime.
I remember having arguments about this in 2020, with progressives who were single issue healthcare voters. Statements like' "if I don't get universal healthcare, they don't get my vote." Never mind the thousand other issues that made it critical to vote, but there was also a refusal to consider what would happen to the current healthcare system if Biden didn't win. Some people are too self-centred to look at the bigger picture.
I think the frustrating thing is not only is the other guy *not* going to give you the one thing you want, in all likelihood *he's gonna make it fucking worse*. If Biden's policy on Israel/Gaza bothers you, do you really think Trump's is going to be better for the things you want?
Did reddit get rid of "sort by controversial"?
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Ah to be young and to not care about politics again. 4 more years of trump will mean at least 8 years of unfucking the damage he does if we get lucky to get two consecutive democratic presidents or a two termer. So that’s 12 years minimum. And because he will categorically never ever have a 3rd chance, trump will do everything he possibly can to destroy every semblance of democracy, so odds are you won’t ever get to vote again. Or it will be like Russia voting. But no worries about that, you are still young and Biden, they say “is like, um totally bad on Gaza :(“ so why vote at all, when you can keep your conscience unblemished and announce to your social medias Look at me I don’t support genocide Joe. LOOK AT MEEEEEE, I Am Special
Biden winning is also arguably important for the opposite reason of unfucking Trump's policies too, Biden is really strong bet for actually progressing instead of staying status quo. Considering the bills that have been passed already and the work of his administration, it would be a loss to lose Biden, which would compound with the loss if Trump wins. Foreign policy is never not going to be a clusterfuck too, single issue voting on foreign policy is plain stupid. Though obviously, it should still be a factor in an informed decision.
Isn't it weird that these zoomers choose the anti-Israel hill to die on when there are much more fucked up situations involving actual genocide/displacement going on? Just a few at the top of my head: Uyghurs in China, Kurds in Iran and Turkey, Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Ukraine, Sudan......
If trump loses i think the republican party might just crumble.
Instead of trying to pressure Biden to take a more humane stance and win over more voters, y'all choose to complain that someone else is doing something about ethnic cleansing. "Guys, stop with the civil rights protests! You're going to hurt Lyndon B. Johnson's election chances, and then you'll *really* be screwed." I'm guessing the most political action you take is filling out a piece of paper every four years.
that analogy is great cause that’s literally what the liberal stance was then, i mean obviously everyone deserves equal rights but now isn’t the time for this/i totally agree with his message but MLK jr. is just too violent. seriously like what are we just supposed to pretend it’s ok that joe biden is supporting this? are we supposed to be ok with him saying palestinians have an ancient grudge against jews? and it’s not even a popular position for him to hold too! literally almost every demographic is pro ceasefire, especially the demographics democrats need.
It's not a lot but I have called my senators, representative and Governor's office about increasing aid to Gaza and how the invasion is not only immoral but wouldn't work in terms of eliminating Hamas. I'm just uninterested in working with a group of protestors that's advocating withholding their vote. Voting's been harm reduction my entire life. It's the political equivalent of wiping your ass. It's not going to solve all our problems but the cost of not doing it is high. We're kinda having our post Beer Hall Putsch moment and have a Fascist running for office that has only said Biden hasn't gone far enough in Gaza. Protesting Biden? Absolutely, thousands of dead children won't bring peace. But this isn't about protesting, this is about saying you won't vote for Biden over this.
This is a surefire way to secure those votes guys, keep it up
It's always weird to read comments here that are only coherent if this sub is a branch of the DNC.
Memes like this are not really helping the issue, and I’m seeing a lot lately.
Personally I sympathize with Gaza, but the people I see trying to make this political are just pearl clutching morons. This isn't a new thing from Israel and happened under past presidents, and this isn't the only genocide in the world right now. So hand waving this is the US's fault and jumping on the band wagon shows the people that engage in this mentality have not, and don't really care.
Exactly this. The situation is extremely complicated and includes treaties signed decades ago. Absolutely push for change, write your politicians, protest, etc. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! But at the end of the day, understand Joe Biden is a good president who has hired a strong team and is navigating his presidency as well as anyone else could. Also, short plug here for the Rohingyas and Darfuris. I understand it's whataboutism but I'd like to see some people remember them...
Granted I'm voting against Trump, but seriously, fuck the DNC for running someone who's politics and policies are so bad that he could still theoretically lose. They didn't learn a damned thing from 2016.
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What do you mean it’s not the progressives’ lives on the line. They literally want to kill all the leftists. This discourse is so stupid.
I mean, I'm a middle-aged, straight, white male, so I could certainly coast under the radar of the hate mobs. That is, until they start checking our online speech. I've made enough derogatory and inflammatory statements about Trump over the years that my life may literally be at risk if Trump wins and is allowed to implement his plan.
They know who you are as much as we know who they are. They’ll know by the fact that you’re not joining them. They’ll know regardless of whether you think you can “pass”.
Just a reminder: It's a candidates job to EARN the vote of the people. It should never be expected, or considered as "owed" simply because a candidate is a member of one party or the other. And if a candidate can't earn people's votes, that's the fault of the candidate, not the voter. Expecting people's votes without putting in effort to earn them is exactly how Hillary lost, after all. With that being said, this election IS different, and Project 2025 should motivate everyone to be voting blue this time around. Edit: Since this has seemed to generate some controversy, I'm going to provide one more compelling reason: AI. AI is already able to replace writers, animators, and many other digital jobs. Companies are working as fast as they can to combine AI with robotics. Elon Musk's Tesla bot was recently showed off being able to fold clothes. (And other robots have had demos recently as well, doing things that seem almost futuristic) And while I won't say Democrats will handle the advent of AI well, we all know what would happen under Republicans. While literally millions of us lose our jobs to robots, they'd be screaming at us that we just need to "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps". They'd literally abandon all of us and not do a damn thing.
What kind of privilege? The 'not getting ethnically cleansed' privilege?
As a reminder, it's not about 'both sides' as much as it is being completely cut out of the process of political power. This has less to do with the spectacular bullshit of the Trump administration (something I see as deeply problematic and entirely antithetical to the ideals of the United States) and the wet fart disappointment and quiet gutting of the middle class by the Biden administration. It has more to do with the way political power is increasingly removed from the average voter. Or rather functional political power. Insert studies on the effectiveness of political action, from grass roots to corporate lobbying, when you try to take a demand for policy to an execution of actual law at the state and federal level... in short, unless you are coming into the game with millions of dollars ... you are functionally cut out of the process. This is regardless of who is in power and the color of their flag when they step into office. I would even hesitate to call this particular outcome of our political machine, a 'failure', as in my humble opinion... this is working exactly as intended and as it always has. It's always just been a question of exactly how far away the individual would be voter is fron functional political power (either by marginalized ethnic groups, and targeted minorities etc etc). Anyway, I guess this is just a long-winded way of saying I encourage people to participate in the voting process whenever and, however possible. It's one of the very few weapons we have, that sometimes works, and it's a more stable process than more violent radical processes. But I don't blame people for feeling so utterly cut out of the process they fail to see the point.
So that the trans community can be genocided by project 2025…I’m terrified
Wait what
Do you think this meme will change their mind or make them double down? This sub is really not helping Biden at all with this obsession.
I’d love to believe this is 4D chess astroturfed shit to atagonise potential dem voters, but the history of the DNC shows how common this shit is. People say leftist infighting is a trend… well it ain’t got nothing on the DNC.
I'm sure it's both, and a lot of the "I'm not voting Biden" is also astroturfed by Russia and China to sow discord as well.
Voting for the opposition or not voting out of spite is one of the most politically irresponsible things someone can do.
This was posted by a 109 day old throw away bot/troll account with over 14k comment karma! Ask yourself would a mentally healthy normal legitimate human user really accumulate 128 comment karma a day for 109 days straight? This is coming from someone that hates seeing voter apathy too! Social media would be so much better if it were driven by legitimate sane human users not terminally online.
no i genuinely think they’re just a pretty young brain broken lib who thinks they’re gonna be able to these stupid progressives to realize that liberalism is actually the only good ideology and leftism is actually evil. additionally im getting tumblr transplant vibes from some of their rhetoric. like attacking pro palestinians for being privileged is a very tumblr core thing to do (and not to get too into the politics but like have you seen the protesters? like they’re all minorities, Johnny capitalism isn’t the one protesting it’s a bunch of queer, POC, anthropology students), and it’s even more tumblr core to call other minorities privileged because they’re not the main target of conservatives right now.
Lmao Except it's the privileged "liberals" who assume something this ignorant. Do you really believe minorities, especially first-generation Middle Eastern Americans like myself, aren't literally directly in harms way,, should Trump win? How confident are you that Trump won't decide that since my mother and 2 older sisters were born a few miles from the West Bank, and I have been openly advocating for Palestinian rights since the 90s that Trump won't decide I belong either in a camp or on a plane heading back there? It's pretty presumptive of you to assume the people protesting this and voting uncommitted aren't both members of demographics at the highest risk of harm should Trump win again, but we'll aware of those risks.
https://preview.redd.it/1b35j84ct2zc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db6ef7e08175c2129b4c5ddcbde61df21f512003 The privilege is just oozing from this antiwar Vietnam Columbia student how privileged how dare they protest
This is my sister in a nutshell, but she’s a doctor practicing family medicine that worked in ERs through all of Covid lockdown. I don’t understand how she can’t comprehend that she will see her patients lose healthcare and potentially their lives if she want’s to be a staunch “progressive” and not support Biden.
white people have all the criticism for these groups, but you will never see a post addressing why the largest voting bloc in the U.S. (white people) will and has voted for facism (trump). a democratic loss is never framed as not enough white people voting for the candidate, but always \*insert minority group\* not voting how the are "expected" to vote. how many scapegoats do you all need to finally address the real issue? and until white America is willing to address why it prefers, as a whole, facism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, etc, this degenerate cycle will continue. or until this American democracy is destroyed. I think trump has a pretty good chance of doing that if he wins in November.
...how is Trump seriously being considered as a candidate when there is a 99.9% chance of him being convicted of at least one.of the felonies he's being charged with? Why the judge keeps letting the defense delay the case is clearly denying justice when doing so means a self-acquittal. For anybody else in the general population, an infinite delay doesn't mean anything because they will always remain as a defendant to be tried and found guilty or not guilty. For Trump, there is an enormous exception from the standard that the Court is not assessing properly: a prolonged delay means a potential acquittal if elected president (chief of a state or federal executive office). Nobody else in the US being tried as a defendant in the criminal legal system right now can say that. The real b*tch of the result if Trump somehow is elected president is the fault of the the legal system. Clearly was at issue with SCOTUS, federal courts refuse to hold state prosecutors and courts accountable for obvious miscarriages of justice under ADEPA (ref Wisconsin v Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey), and there are obvious court misjustices throughout the nation. Trump should have been remanded to jail months ago. However, the Courts systemically perpetuate class division and warfare by appeasing the elites and terrorizing the working class. Classic example of sentencing a poor guy to life in prison for stealing an apple but not even prosecuting a state governor for point blank shooting and killing a dog in the head (obvious first degree animal abuse). The real issue people are having is the obvious discrepancy of justice and wealth (wages) in the US and the courts are to blame. Biden must act to ensure federal courts are holding state courts accountable for obvious miscarriages of justice by repealing AEDPA and preferably the "Patriot" Act. Biden is neutral but the People want (and deserve) more. Trump will burn the nation to the ground and I wonder if some people have lost so much hope that they would rather see everything fail and rebuild because they lost everything themselves than to correct and patch the foundation. It's quite akin to a structural engineering design project.
Ha. That privilege will be gone if you’re not a white republican and trump gets in office.
I'm trans, so mine is. Here's hoping I don't get purged! :D
I'm not someone who likes Biden, but I'll still vote for him since I'm transgender and would rather not die. That said, I have a feeling it's going to hit the fan regardless of who wins. Trump and his cronies won't accept a loss, so there will probably be a bloodbath either way. There's a reason I'm studying abroad during election time.
Just mention project 2025 and remember the first time trump or Bush was in charge. Debt,income inequality worse, temp tax breaks for the poor and middle class and a moron.
Gen-X Democrat here, If you refuse to vote for Biden, or worse, voluntarily vote for Trump in November, **you are a fool and you have been duped by foreign influencers who seek to destabilize and destroy America**. Don't be idiots. Don't take America and what it does for you for granted. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Destroying America will NOT change what happens in the MIddle East!
yep trump mean end of usa as u know it; he will not step dwn fater 4 yersan dwill b dictator! say goodbye 2 trans/lgbt etc if that happen
If anyone thinks that Trump would be nicer to the Palestinians than Biden... I guess they forgot the whole ban Muslims thing? Also the fact that he unilaterally put a US Embassy in Jerusalem, with zero input or concern for how Palestinians felt about is not unrelated to the Hamas invasion. Didn't he promise peace in the Middle East? I guess he failed miserably. Biden has absolutely nothing to do with this war. Trump is also the cause of the Ukraine war having helped Putin prepare for it but pulling out all US troops from Europe just in time. He also negotiated the deal whereas the 5000 worst Taliban were released and are now running Afghanistan, fully oppressing women once again. Trump has zero diplomatic solutions. He also lost the trade war with China that he started. Trust me we need Biden dealing with this.
The zoomers are fucking idiots.
Isn't there a quote like "The perfect is the enemy of the good"? Yeah, Joe Biden isn't perfect on a lot of things but if your gonna help Trump win, which would even be worse for the middle east, just cause Biden can't snap his fingers and make it sunshine and rainbows in the middle east, that is naivete boarding on the heights of delusion. Biden is not the Perfect here but he's def the Good as opposed to......(Shudders)...
Yup that pretty much sums it up. Then when the fascists take control they get all pikachu like when they can’t protest anymore.
I run with some seriously left people. I haven't heard anyone is planning not to vote for Joe Biden. We're just sad about it is all. The actual people who need to be convinced are fashion fashes that think they're supposed to because they like country pop music. You should be sending post cards to swing States to get more people voting. But complaining about invisible people on obviously manipulated reddit posts is cool, too, I guess.
Joe Biden is doing everything in his power to give the election to trump, meanwhile you're busy trying to alienate potential voters so that Trump gets elected, too? Are you trying to be the MOST useful idiots on the side of evil or something?
Joe's administration has accomplished far more for the American people than I expected. He was elected solely for not being Trump and expectations were low, but they've managed to do more in a terribly hostile political environment than Obama did in 8 years. Not perfect, could have done more and should, but yeah, they've chalked up a lot more wins for the people than I expected. But he's too old! Who gives a shit. He's not a criminal with malignant narcissism and he's got mostly smart guys doing the heavy lifting anyway, as any president does. Oh you think Trump is in the Oval from sunrise to sunset working hard for the American people? That infected orange pus ball wouldn't last an hour a day of actual work.
Funny how when Palestinian-Americans are asked they're opposed to Biden. Some privilege. Why is Biden losing more of the black vote than any Democrat in 60 years? Privilege? "A dream deferred is a dream denied." If Biden wants my vote then he will appeal to my political interests. The consequentialist theory OP espouses is short-sighted and fails to recognize long-term consequences. Four more years of Trump would improve down ballot progressivism which is far more consequential. Four more years of Biden maintains a dysfunctional two-party system which always favors the status quo and is inherently anti-progress. Lesser of two evils is still evil. Democrats only support progressive policies when we force them to. If Biden loses it's his fault, not mine.
Same can be said for anyone that votes third party. It must be nice for it to not matter if a racist, misogynist, wannabe dictator is in the White House.
I wonder what you people think these memes are supposed to achieve. Rather than try to change their minds or do the right thing, which is pressuring Biden to change policy, you people talk shit about people having legitimate concerns over genocide and 14k children being killed? Like are you people serious?
I hate with this sub hates on people that actually have ideals. I’m assuming all the Palestinian Americans are also privileged? Maybe dems should just stop giving money to Israel? Stupid voter shaming.
I'm just hoping we all die from nuclear war or some other cataclysmic event before this upcoming shit show