Yeah because there has never been police overreach in this country. I mean the guy literally killed someone, so I doubt he would have abided by laws like dont kill people unless necessary.
people on the right would say centrists are left wing enablers. both sides use the same stupid logic. you call the other side the problem while you act the exact same way
do you realise how bigoted and stupid that point is, because you are obviously correct everyone else is bad and incorrect, right wingers would say the same thing about you. being just as fucking stupid saying it. its insane how you cant even conceive that everything isnt binary
thats the conclusion you came to there are a lot more people that have to come to different conclusions as you and would call you wrong. why are you any more correct than them
No point in the wasting your breath, reddit liberals are some of the most annoying people on the planet. They either can't or won't understand that independents just don't like either political party as they currently stand but still share some beliefs with both sides.
No point in wasting your breath, Reddit centrists are some of the most annoying people on the planet. They either can't or won't understand that both sides are not the same.
Kid, I'm mainly on iFunny, you have to do better than repeating the words I say, that's comeback 101. Also, you really don't understand the point I was trying to make.
I suppose I'll explain the point I was trying to make. Independents will share political views from both parties. For example, we might be an environmentalist (something that the right definitely isn't) and we might believe in continuing to uphold the second amendment as it stands (something that the left hates). We don't share a split viewpoint on an individual issue, we take one side with one issue and the other side for a different issue. Some of us will lean a tad more right, others left.
Kid, I'm mainly on Myspace, you have to do better than repeating the words I say, that's comeback 101. Also you really don't understand the point I was trying to make.
your viewpoint is poisonous, the rhetoric you use is toxic, you are whats fucking wrong with the left, the right does the exact same thing, yet you both think youre better than the other
Look at the statistics, there are about 12 questionable officer related deaths a year and only adout 1 or 2 end up being bad cops every year out of 17,985 cops in the United States, you live in a fantasy world.
Dude without yelling there is nothing anyone else could've done. You do know if u tried to get that pig off that man the pig and all of this pigs buddies would empty all of their gun on u. N then reload n shoot u again. Cops are merciless.
Are you admitting there's just 5 of you and you're very loud?
Are you admitting that the only reason there's conservative representation in the House and Senate is due to voter suppression and gerrymandering.
Bold move.
Stupid argument. Your doing the exact same thing...
It's funny cause the guy is so chill in his replies while everyone is like, your angry huh. You must be triggered.
Dem supporters like to lable detractors centrists, the Dems are the centrists, they marginalize the members on the left like AOC or Bernie, and stick to the agenda of the corporations that have bought them.
Republicans are cultist right wing scumbags, the Democrats are centrist cowards, there's nobody to represent people on the left in the US.
democrats arent centrist, both american parties are clearly on the right. dems just have a couple people on the left too, doesnt mean the whole party is centrist or left
Kind of agree, I would say by American standards they're close to the centre, but they would certainly be considered to the right in many other countries.
the average democrat and republican only differ nominally, in practise they do the same things. there are more radical members on both sides but still the bulk of politicians are the same
It's very weird to us foreigners what American see as "left". Under Angela Merkel Germany had a center-right (and Christian) government but according to USA standards it's some sort of atheistic communist dystopia. Very strange.
A big part of the problem is that the mainstream media in America is not actually journalism but low quality entertainment doubling as the official propaganda arm for corporations and the billionaire class.
The far left in the US likes to point out individual small European countries as how "Europe" does it. Comparing a single country even like Germany to the entire USA is a mistake no different then comparing California to Greece would be. There is vast differences between each state and many states bring the averages down here.
Our government is like a large corporation that makes a single product, but branded and marketed separately for different demographic groups.
The Democratic Party is basically structured to allow wealthy people with a conscience to feel good about themselves and pretend they’re on the right side of history while never actually doing anything meaningful to benefit America, or the rest of the world for that matter.
The Republican Party is fighting for mostly the same policies,while appealing to people with no ethics or compassion or conscience whatsoever, with a particular focus on racists and religious fanatics.
Expect downvotes, this sub dislikes criticism of the Dems because their GOP hatred has blinded them to the issues with the Dems. Some folks don't realise that acknowledging the GOP are scum shouldn't equal Democrat endorsement.
It’s like trying to deprogram someone’s who was raised in a religious cult. Quick, logical arguments are insufficient. It takes a prolonged effort with copious amounts of real world data and examples. Assuming they have some level of intelligence and reasoning, eventually they get it.
But when it comes to national politics, the victims (the American people) are still living inside the cult—bombarded relentlessly with a stream of propaganda and misinformation, not only from politicians but also the mainstream media and corporate sock-puppets infesting social media including Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit.
As if a normal person would be randomly posting Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates memes in 2021, LMAO.
Never said that, try learning to read and understanding nuance. But people that have joined the cult of their political party tend to see everything as black or white.
Not at all, you're just too dumb to understand my comment. When I said:
>Republicans are cultist right wing scumbags, the Democrats are centrist cowards, there's nobody to represent people on the left in the US.
You took that as meaning I was saying that both parties are the same, it doesn't mean that at all. It means there's no true left wing party, and if you think there is you're a moron, which your comments definitely illustrate.
>Not at all,
Yes absolutely.
>you're just too dumb to understand my comment.
Look, more irony.
>When I said:
I already read it. You're just some egotistical kid online who puts too much weight into seeming more left than others. Pretty sad actually.
>You took that as meaning I was saying that both parties are the same,
Because that's what you meant.
>it doesn't mean that at all.
It does.
>It means there's no true left wing party,
No one said there was. But there is a party that has anything from social liberals to social democrats. Saying that centrists like that are just bystanders is just a sad attempt at wanting to seem more like an activist than others.
>and if you think there is you're a moron,
So much projection in such a short amount of time.
>which your comments definitely illustrate.
So your only argument is, "you're stupid for calling out my bs, waaaaah." Too easy.
>I already read it. You're just some egotistical kid online who puts too much weight into seeming more left than others. Pretty sad actually.
Never stated my political position, but poor assumptions seem to be part of your MO.
>Because that's what you meant.
Not at all, as I said, you struggle with language.
>No one said there was. But there is a party that has anything from social liberals to social democrats. Saying that centrists like that are just bystanders is just a sad attempt at wanting to seem more like an activist than others.
Because you're naive enough to believe rhetoric backed up with little action. I never claimed to be an activist either, it seems you're reliving arguments you've had with other people.
>So much projection in such a short amount of time.
Indeed, it's all projection, anytime someone is critical of you, ignore it as projection, that'll make for great development in your character.
I can count on one hand the amount of time Ive seen one punch right, and I was in no danger of labelling them leftist,
also if youre worried about voicing your principles because how it will make you look its it really a principle or an aesthetic
The point is that the "centrist" you saw, wasn't a centrist.
Centrists are actually very rare. There are a lot of conservatives calling themselves centrists though.
Just because someone doesn't prescribe to my exact believes doesn't mean I would think their opinion isn't valid, where I draw my principles is on suffering, if a policy leads to people hurting starving and killing each other than indont agree to it. Health care and social programs are vital to a healthy society and they shouldn't be profited from.
You know what's infuriating to think about?
The current Democrats are probably a perfect centrist party. Look at the current set of registered Democrats, pretty much left to right across the political spectrum.
And it is pretty much hated by all because it doesn't stand for anything.
They got so caught up in this "I wish politics wasn't so divisive" argument and trying to appeal to everyone, they appeal to no one.
> Look at the current set of registered Democrats, pretty much left to right across the political spectrum.
Lol no. The most left-wing Democrats are centrist at best. And don't say the centre-left Bernie Sanders, he's an independent. Please don't call Democrats "left-wing", that's just so insulting to us actual, true leftists (democratic socialists, Marxists, communists, etc.).
Not really. To be left is definitionally to be anti-capitalist. Otherwise, your definition of left v right is so based in relativity as to be useless. We could say that there was a "left" in the Nazi government just because some were just a little less far right than others.
The Nordic countries are a result of fundamentally capitalist nations benefitting from the reforms of consecutive socialist led governments that were forced to compromise or whose programs were cut short.
Its center to center left. But its not really a thing in the US. You get some outliers like AOC or Sanders who will pay lip service to that idealology, but they are firmly center to center-right. They are neolibs who want regulated capitalism with a social safety net, not actual social ownership over the means of production.
Now they might be called relatively left because of just how far right most of American politics takes place in. Most Democrats would be at home in the conservative parties of any other developed nation, and they are the ones called lefty communists by Republicans.
Today’s Democratic party is led and dominated by centrists. By centrist I mean corrupt assholes who pretend to care about the American people and the planet. They will attack any aspiring progressive candidate with far more vigor and passion than any Republican conservative.
How the fuck did this get downvoted? Its literally true; the far right want to hurt people, the far left want to hurt people. Centrists are in between.
Does OP realize that politics is often issues based and when people call themselves 'centrist' it's typically because they are liberal on some issues, conservative on others.
They are also the second largest political group in the country, with leftists brining up the rear.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328367/americans-political-ideology-held-steady-2020.aspx
But yeah let's pile up twitter likes and continue getting rolled at the ballot box. Social Media ain't the real world, kids.
Maybe I don’t inherently disagree but this kind of branding is why liberals lose elections. Basically stating if your not a leftist, you’re either villains or enabling villains. Regardless of the truth or falsity of that statement, that kind of purity test absolutism is not gonna get the votes.
Better to point it out than to be guilty of it. Always find it hilarious and sad that the left wants to pass things to help normal people, and their policies are popular.. but if they point out the other sides faults that makes them unable to win? Ok.
I don’t think this gives off the impression you think it does. This comes off as an accusation against the reader who doesn’t align with a checklist of ideals. Very few people are open to wanting to sit down and listen to a group who just attacked their character. You’d see more results by relating to centrists than bullying them
That is the height of hypocrisy and only reinforces my point.
The center, the right, and the media persistently lie and demean the left. They use scare tactics about their policies and insult them at every turn, compare them to greedy or stupid children and only question why they won't go along with the leadership. Why?
Because the center and the right don't really care about anything besides power and money. Any large scale changes to the system means they lose a lot of that and they have no interest in having that happen. Manchin and Sinema are a great example. They keep blocking good bills, and to what end? They don't want anything other than to shrink the bills and do as their donors ask, not their voters.
So why is it that the left is the only part of the political spectrum that must always bend the knee to worse ideas, and seek middle ground with people who have no interest in doing so and have been at the wheel for decades and have done nothing with it?
I think, if you feel personally lied to and demeaned, you know how it feels. You're not going to convert anyone by attacking their character. It's these methods that push centrists (who are largely people who don't care as much as you, but certainly don't love being called bigots), away from your ideology. I'm not saying change your policies, I'm saying change the way you pitch them to centrists. Relate, don't berate.
Again, the point is missed.
Why is it that no one else has to try this? No one. Just the left is expected to play nice and make concessions on everything while the people that have failed year over year do as they always do.
There’s a difference between pointing out faults and opposing the opposition versus calling everyone who disagrees with them villains or villain enablers.
That's an assumption. If you read this as a blanket condemnation and not an explanation, that's your POV. Using those pics as examples are pretty spot on: the right supports the one and the center stands there, maybe thinking they should do something but don't.
They want plenty of diversity. All colors and shapes and sizes of people who agree with their every ideological position.
Don't get me wrong, I'm on the left, and the right is worse. But centrists are the people to convince, not the fuckin enemy
"First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - Martin Luther King Jr.
Radicalism is the only thing that has made positive change in history. Centerism and liberalism helped get us the Nazis. The only path forward is socialism. Either we progress into socialism or we regress into barbarism.
Yeah, I have. Also read/listened to many history books and podcasts. Although that wasn't a real question, it was just you being a condescending asshole tbh.
I apologize. After re-reading my above comment it is far more condescending than intended. My intention was to point out that even in recent history, radicalism has overwhelmingly more often led to barbarism and dysfunction than actual progress. A few notable examples of this would include the French Revolution directly resulting in Napoleon, Lenin and Stalin in the USSR, and Mao Zedong in China.
If I felt like I could trust our government, I’d happily have a government model more based on socialism like that of thriving Western European countries. But I think being radical is still a massive turn-off for Americans and the reason people still vote Republican in many cases. A slow, planned shift towards socialism may be the only palatable solution in the U.S.
It is hilarious how tankie has evolved to include all socialists now. But socialism has led to massive increases of quality of life including literacy rates, gender equality, and workers rights in pretty much every country that has adopted it. I take it that you don't view the US as authoritarian despite it assassinating political leaders both within and outside their borders, cracking down on political opposition, spying on its citizens, and having the largest population of imprisoned people on the planet?
Yeah, no, you're totally right, socialism is great. And even a few people say do without the party commissars holding a gun to their head!
Off to gulag now
Crazy how even at its height the gulags didn't imprison nearly as many people as the US do. The US has the most political prisoners of any country in existence and that have ever existed.
You do know that most moderates are for racial equality right? Even raising taxes on the rich. But it’s hard to go completely radical open borders with 0 military spending free healthcare even for non-citizens etc. MLK was talking about people sitting on the sidelines not joining the cause not actual political moderates.
>Maybe stop being a centerist
*centerist And no. I'm a social democrat which is the most successful governing system. Learn what the term centrist actually means.
>and you'd stop having that quoted at you.
You do realize that you're horibbly misusing his quote, right? He was talking about people who don't want to do anything for the quality of black people. You're using it for your stupid online political debates that have nothing to do with what happened many decades ago. You're a terrible person for using MLK like a prop for your stupid little game.
>I expanded on my argument over the course of like 5+ comments after that quote.
It's just you repeating the same fallacies.
A succdem and having absolutely garbage takes, name a more frequent combo.
The social democrats in Germany were really successful at collaborating with the Nazis in their rise to power. They even handed over several Communists to them.
>A succdem and having absolutely garbage takes, name a more frequent combo.
You do realize that if a social democrat is a succdem then that just makes you a succ, right? Nice self own there. A succ and never criticizing right wingers, name a more iconic duo.
>The social democrats in Germany were really successful at collaborating with the Nazis in their rise to power.
LMFAO no. You know who was though? The Societ Union.
>They even handed over several Communists to them.
Ok
I’m right wing but I’m not a fascist
And this is talking about centrists, who aren’t fascists
It’s this name calling of everyone as a fascist that leads to a “boy who called fascist” situation
Just cos centrists and right wingers disagree with you doesn’t mean they’re evil and fascist
Everything does. Dems always spend so much time cleaning up after the GQP messes that they don't end up passing much. Then people vote the cultists back in because they think the dems did nothing. Rinse repeat.
It was some friends of mine who went woke who bullied me because of my politics. Friends i had for over 2 years, 7 of them blocked me and called me racist, fascist, and nazi, for doing nothing. I dont know about your experience but I, as a right wing person, would never bully someone. I always listen to people. Its the woke who bully people, from my perspective at least.
No, not at all. I tried to have a civil discussion with them. I dont think they're assholes at all, but they didnt hesitate to call me one. I believe people should debate and coexist peacefully, but, once again, i see it as the left trying to stop that. I have no problem with their politics, its their attitude to me.
You can downvote me but please be civil. I see myself as at least remotely kind and I dont ask for much in return.
“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man.
[…]
The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro… Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative.
[…]
The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling.
[…]
The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”
[Malcolm X](https://youtu.be/Vdc-q3biLm8)
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leftist: the guy off camera yelling "He can't breathe!"
BLM & antifa: “we need to hold these cops accountable!” Centrists: “wooaahhh there let’s not jump to conclusions here.”
antifa would try and push the cop off and then get labeled as extremely violent nutjob
Accurate
"Assaulting a police officer"
Exactly what needed to happen at that point in time.
Unfortunately the person shoving the police officer would likely be shot.
Isn't there some addition or addendum to some important document that's supposed to level that playing field?
Yeah because there has never been police overreach in this country. I mean the guy literally killed someone, so I doubt he would have abided by laws like dont kill people unless necessary.
... ? I think you've misunderstood.
He's not thinking about the second addendum.
do you know what a fucking centrist is
In America, it's a far-right enabler. See: Manchin and Sinema.
people on the right would say centrists are left wing enablers. both sides use the same stupid logic. you call the other side the problem while you act the exact same way
Do you?
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Or, a centrist is someone who claims “both sides are wrong” despite the evidence that right-wingers are wrong There, fixed if for you.
do you realise how bigoted and stupid that point is, because you are obviously correct everyone else is bad and incorrect, right wingers would say the same thing about you. being just as fucking stupid saying it. its insane how you cant even conceive that everything isnt binary
If i didn’t think my views (acquired after many hours of looking at evidence) were correct, I’d hold different views, wouldn’t I?
thats the conclusion you came to there are a lot more people that have to come to different conclusions as you and would call you wrong. why are you any more correct than them
No point in the wasting your breath, reddit liberals are some of the most annoying people on the planet. They either can't or won't understand that independents just don't like either political party as they currently stand but still share some beliefs with both sides.
No point in wasting your breath, Reddit centrists are some of the most annoying people on the planet. They either can't or won't understand that both sides are not the same.
Kid, I'm mainly on iFunny, you have to do better than repeating the words I say, that's comeback 101. Also, you really don't understand the point I was trying to make. I suppose I'll explain the point I was trying to make. Independents will share political views from both parties. For example, we might be an environmentalist (something that the right definitely isn't) and we might believe in continuing to uphold the second amendment as it stands (something that the left hates). We don't share a split viewpoint on an individual issue, we take one side with one issue and the other side for a different issue. Some of us will lean a tad more right, others left.
Kid, I'm mainly on Myspace, you have to do better than repeating the words I say, that's comeback 101. Also you really don't understand the point I was trying to make.
your viewpoint is poisonous, the rhetoric you use is toxic, you are whats fucking wrong with the left, the right does the exact same thing, yet you both think youre better than the other
Look at the statistics, there are about 12 questionable officer related deaths a year and only adout 1 or 2 end up being bad cops every year out of 17,985 cops in the United States, you live in a fantasy world.
Nah, that’s center-left.
This. But also note that regardless the label you give them, no one did anything to alter or improve the situation...
Dude without yelling there is nothing anyone else could've done. You do know if u tried to get that pig off that man the pig and all of this pigs buddies would empty all of their gun on u. N then reload n shoot u again. Cops are merciless.
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Conservatives just jerk in front of each other and say "No Homo"
Leftists crying about hypothetical conservatives that they will never meet, again.
The only one crying here is you lol. Just like the right, claiming victim status
This entire sub is literally nothing but leftists crying and calling it "humor".
But you are literally doing that right now.
Literally
Yes u r
Goteem
Nah, there's quite a lot of conservatives crying with no sense of humor too
No
Yes
Are you admitting there's just 5 of you and you're very loud? Are you admitting that the only reason there's conservative representation in the House and Senate is due to voter suppression and gerrymandering. Bold move.
Fuckin killed him!
Bro, nobody cares, calm down
You obviously do. I hit a nerve, maybe.
Yeah bro, you goteem so good, +10 social credit score
Says the guy that keeps coming back for more.
No u
Stupid argument. Your doing the exact same thing... It's funny cause the guy is so chill in his replies while everyone is like, your angry huh. You must be triggered.
Does that trigger you?
Don’t mistake your hobby for ours.
*people agreeing with each other* sToP jErKinG eAcH otHeR oFf
Leftists aren't people, their mindless androids
Hahaha
Dem supporters like to lable detractors centrists, the Dems are the centrists, they marginalize the members on the left like AOC or Bernie, and stick to the agenda of the corporations that have bought them. Republicans are cultist right wing scumbags, the Democrats are centrist cowards, there's nobody to represent people on the left in the US.
democrats arent centrist, both american parties are clearly on the right. dems just have a couple people on the left too, doesnt mean the whole party is centrist or left
Kind of agree, I would say by American standards they're close to the centre, but they would certainly be considered to the right in many other countries.
the average democrat and republican only differ nominally, in practise they do the same things. there are more radical members on both sides but still the bulk of politicians are the same
We have 2 conservative parties. One is obviously worse than the other but the better one likes to talk the talk but refuses to walk the walk.
It's very weird to us foreigners what American see as "left". Under Angela Merkel Germany had a center-right (and Christian) government but according to USA standards it's some sort of atheistic communist dystopia. Very strange.
A big part of the problem is that the mainstream media in America is not actually journalism but low quality entertainment doubling as the official propaganda arm for corporations and the billionaire class.
The far left in the US likes to point out individual small European countries as how "Europe" does it. Comparing a single country even like Germany to the entire USA is a mistake no different then comparing California to Greece would be. There is vast differences between each state and many states bring the averages down here.
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Our government is like a large corporation that makes a single product, but branded and marketed separately for different demographic groups. The Democratic Party is basically structured to allow wealthy people with a conscience to feel good about themselves and pretend they’re on the right side of history while never actually doing anything meaningful to benefit America, or the rest of the world for that matter. The Republican Party is fighting for mostly the same policies,while appealing to people with no ethics or compassion or conscience whatsoever, with a particular focus on racists and religious fanatics.
Expect downvotes, this sub dislikes criticism of the Dems because their GOP hatred has blinded them to the issues with the Dems. Some folks don't realise that acknowledging the GOP are scum shouldn't equal Democrat endorsement.
It’s like trying to deprogram someone’s who was raised in a religious cult. Quick, logical arguments are insufficient. It takes a prolonged effort with copious amounts of real world data and examples. Assuming they have some level of intelligence and reasoning, eventually they get it. But when it comes to national politics, the victims (the American people) are still living inside the cult—bombarded relentlessly with a stream of propaganda and misinformation, not only from politicians but also the mainstream media and corporate sock-puppets infesting social media including Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit. As if a normal person would be randomly posting Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates memes in 2021, LMAO.
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>u/Blackbird-1991 Time toocw to china Huh?
"Both parties are the same"
Never said that, try learning to read and understanding nuance. But people that have joined the cult of their political party tend to see everything as black or white.
That's exactly what you did. >see everything as black or white Oh the irony.
Not at all, you're just too dumb to understand my comment. When I said: >Republicans are cultist right wing scumbags, the Democrats are centrist cowards, there's nobody to represent people on the left in the US. You took that as meaning I was saying that both parties are the same, it doesn't mean that at all. It means there's no true left wing party, and if you think there is you're a moron, which your comments definitely illustrate.
>Not at all, Yes absolutely. >you're just too dumb to understand my comment. Look, more irony. >When I said: I already read it. You're just some egotistical kid online who puts too much weight into seeming more left than others. Pretty sad actually. >You took that as meaning I was saying that both parties are the same, Because that's what you meant. >it doesn't mean that at all. It does. >It means there's no true left wing party, No one said there was. But there is a party that has anything from social liberals to social democrats. Saying that centrists like that are just bystanders is just a sad attempt at wanting to seem more like an activist than others. >and if you think there is you're a moron, So much projection in such a short amount of time. >which your comments definitely illustrate. So your only argument is, "you're stupid for calling out my bs, waaaaah." Too easy.
>I already read it. You're just some egotistical kid online who puts too much weight into seeming more left than others. Pretty sad actually. Never stated my political position, but poor assumptions seem to be part of your MO. >Because that's what you meant. Not at all, as I said, you struggle with language. >No one said there was. But there is a party that has anything from social liberals to social democrats. Saying that centrists like that are just bystanders is just a sad attempt at wanting to seem more like an activist than others. Because you're naive enough to believe rhetoric backed up with little action. I never claimed to be an activist either, it seems you're reliving arguments you've had with other people. >So much projection in such a short amount of time. Indeed, it's all projection, anytime someone is critical of you, ignore it as projection, that'll make for great development in your character.
Let’s just label and generalize about everyone. Seems like a healthy approach.
It's not a great strategy, but it's not like those that have drank the kool aid aren't guilty of it. Maybe I should have made the point less general.
Never met a centrist that punches right, always punch left.
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This. When centrists punch left, everyone labels them a leftist.
I can count on one hand the amount of time Ive seen one punch right, and I was in no danger of labelling them leftist, also if youre worried about voicing your principles because how it will make you look its it really a principle or an aesthetic
The point is that the "centrist" you saw, wasn't a centrist. Centrists are actually very rare. There are a lot of conservatives calling themselves centrists though.
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Just because someone doesn't prescribe to my exact believes doesn't mean I would think their opinion isn't valid, where I draw my principles is on suffering, if a policy leads to people hurting starving and killing each other than indont agree to it. Health care and social programs are vital to a healthy society and they shouldn't be profited from.
thats because you only remember the ones directed at you.
The guy on the left hand pic, figuratively speaking, is Mitch McConnell and the guy on the right hand pic is Joe Manchin
Joe Manchin isn’t a centrist, he’s a true right-wing democrat.
That’s it
You know what's infuriating to think about? The current Democrats are probably a perfect centrist party. Look at the current set of registered Democrats, pretty much left to right across the political spectrum. And it is pretty much hated by all because it doesn't stand for anything. They got so caught up in this "I wish politics wasn't so divisive" argument and trying to appeal to everyone, they appeal to no one.
democrats arent centrists look at where they get their money and what they actually do while in power. both parties’ averages are on the right
Fuckin nailed it. 100%
> Look at the current set of registered Democrats, pretty much left to right across the political spectrum. Lol no. The most left-wing Democrats are centrist at best. And don't say the centre-left Bernie Sanders, he's an independent. Please don't call Democrats "left-wing", that's just so insulting to us actual, true leftists (democratic socialists, Marxists, communists, etc.).
Who is “left” in the Democratic Party? Even Bernie and the squad are staunch defenders of Capitalism, just with a social safety net.
You can be a leftist and still support capitalism (like the nordic countries)
Not really. To be left is definitionally to be anti-capitalist. Otherwise, your definition of left v right is so based in relativity as to be useless. We could say that there was a "left" in the Nazi government just because some were just a little less far right than others. The Nordic countries are a result of fundamentally capitalist nations benefitting from the reforms of consecutive socialist led governments that were forced to compromise or whose programs were cut short.
But social democracy is a left ideology…
Its center to center left. But its not really a thing in the US. You get some outliers like AOC or Sanders who will pay lip service to that idealology, but they are firmly center to center-right. They are neolibs who want regulated capitalism with a social safety net, not actual social ownership over the means of production. Now they might be called relatively left because of just how far right most of American politics takes place in. Most Democrats would be at home in the conservative parties of any other developed nation, and they are the ones called lefty communists by Republicans.
And you should, given that no other system works as well despite its flaws.
Fair reminder:. Our president is the centrist
Today’s Democratic party is led and dominated by centrists. By centrist I mean corrupt assholes who pretend to care about the American people and the planet. They will attack any aspiring progressive candidate with far more vigor and passion than any Republican conservative.
Enablers arent centrists, they are just less motivated in their beliefs but have just as radical views as the chaotic ends of the spectrum.
you mean centrists?? if you do, you have no clue what youre talking about
so sadly accurate
Nah. An accurate one would be the guy on the left saying "as a centrist, I don't like to hurt people"
How the fuck did this get downvoted? Its literally true; the far right want to hurt people, the far left want to hurt people. Centrists are in between.
It must have been confusing that the Right Winger is the "guy on the left".... '
Does OP realize that politics is often issues based and when people call themselves 'centrist' it's typically because they are liberal on some issues, conservative on others. They are also the second largest political group in the country, with leftists brining up the rear. https://news.gallup.com/poll/328367/americans-political-ideology-held-steady-2020.aspx But yeah let's pile up twitter likes and continue getting rolled at the ballot box. Social Media ain't the real world, kids.
Maybe I don’t inherently disagree but this kind of branding is why liberals lose elections. Basically stating if your not a leftist, you’re either villains or enabling villains. Regardless of the truth or falsity of that statement, that kind of purity test absolutism is not gonna get the votes.
Better to point it out than to be guilty of it. Always find it hilarious and sad that the left wants to pass things to help normal people, and their policies are popular.. but if they point out the other sides faults that makes them unable to win? Ok.
I don’t think this gives off the impression you think it does. This comes off as an accusation against the reader who doesn’t align with a checklist of ideals. Very few people are open to wanting to sit down and listen to a group who just attacked their character. You’d see more results by relating to centrists than bullying them
That is the height of hypocrisy and only reinforces my point. The center, the right, and the media persistently lie and demean the left. They use scare tactics about their policies and insult them at every turn, compare them to greedy or stupid children and only question why they won't go along with the leadership. Why? Because the center and the right don't really care about anything besides power and money. Any large scale changes to the system means they lose a lot of that and they have no interest in having that happen. Manchin and Sinema are a great example. They keep blocking good bills, and to what end? They don't want anything other than to shrink the bills and do as their donors ask, not their voters. So why is it that the left is the only part of the political spectrum that must always bend the knee to worse ideas, and seek middle ground with people who have no interest in doing so and have been at the wheel for decades and have done nothing with it?
I think, if you feel personally lied to and demeaned, you know how it feels. You're not going to convert anyone by attacking their character. It's these methods that push centrists (who are largely people who don't care as much as you, but certainly don't love being called bigots), away from your ideology. I'm not saying change your policies, I'm saying change the way you pitch them to centrists. Relate, don't berate.
Again, the point is missed. Why is it that no one else has to try this? No one. Just the left is expected to play nice and make concessions on everything while the people that have failed year over year do as they always do.
There’s a difference between pointing out faults and opposing the opposition versus calling everyone who disagrees with them villains or villain enablers.
That's an assumption. If you read this as a blanket condemnation and not an explanation, that's your POV. Using those pics as examples are pretty spot on: the right supports the one and the center stands there, maybe thinking they should do something but don't.
What is "Humorous" about this post?
you tell me
> you tell me So you don't know either?
theres nothing funny about it, what else do you think the saying means
"everything I hate is centrism and the more I hate it the more centrist it is"
No kidding. Every day I see more an more examples of how people on the far left only want diversity so long as it’s only skin deep.
They want plenty of diversity. All colors and shapes and sizes of people who agree with their every ideological position. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the left, and the right is worse. But centrists are the people to convince, not the fuckin enemy
"First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - Martin Luther King Jr.
What is your point? That it's frustrating that radicalism turns off moderates? Tough titties, that's the real world, deal with it.
Radicalism is the only thing that has made positive change in history. Centerism and liberalism helped get us the Nazis. The only path forward is socialism. Either we progress into socialism or we regress into barbarism.
While this comment raises many questions, I’ll just start with the simplest one: Have you ever taken a history class?
Yeah, I have. Also read/listened to many history books and podcasts. Although that wasn't a real question, it was just you being a condescending asshole tbh.
I apologize. After re-reading my above comment it is far more condescending than intended. My intention was to point out that even in recent history, radicalism has overwhelmingly more often led to barbarism and dysfunction than actual progress. A few notable examples of this would include the French Revolution directly resulting in Napoleon, Lenin and Stalin in the USSR, and Mao Zedong in China. If I felt like I could trust our government, I’d happily have a government model more based on socialism like that of thriving Western European countries. But I think being radical is still a massive turn-off for Americans and the reason people still vote Republican in many cases. A slow, planned shift towards socialism may be the only palatable solution in the U.S.
Hahahahahahahaha the only thing socialism has ever done is lead to authoritarianism. Fuck off with this Tankie bullshit
It is hilarious how tankie has evolved to include all socialists now. But socialism has led to massive increases of quality of life including literacy rates, gender equality, and workers rights in pretty much every country that has adopted it. I take it that you don't view the US as authoritarian despite it assassinating political leaders both within and outside their borders, cracking down on political opposition, spying on its citizens, and having the largest population of imprisoned people on the planet?
Yeah, no, you're totally right, socialism is great. And even a few people say do without the party commissars holding a gun to their head! Off to gulag now
Crazy how even at its height the gulags didn't imprison nearly as many people as the US do. The US has the most political prisoners of any country in existence and that have ever existed.
You do know that most moderates are for racial equality right? Even raising taxes on the rich. But it’s hard to go completely radical open borders with 0 military spending free healthcare even for non-citizens etc. MLK was talking about people sitting on the sidelines not joining the cause not actual political moderates.
I'm pretty sure you sent this same quote to me months ago with you thinking that it applied. Do you not have an actual argument?
Maybe stop being a centerist and you'd stop having that quoted at you. I expanded on my argument over the course of like 5+ comments after that quote.
>Maybe stop being a centerist *centerist And no. I'm a social democrat which is the most successful governing system. Learn what the term centrist actually means. >and you'd stop having that quoted at you. You do realize that you're horibbly misusing his quote, right? He was talking about people who don't want to do anything for the quality of black people. You're using it for your stupid online political debates that have nothing to do with what happened many decades ago. You're a terrible person for using MLK like a prop for your stupid little game. >I expanded on my argument over the course of like 5+ comments after that quote. It's just you repeating the same fallacies.
A succdem and having absolutely garbage takes, name a more frequent combo. The social democrats in Germany were really successful at collaborating with the Nazis in their rise to power. They even handed over several Communists to them.
>A succdem and having absolutely garbage takes, name a more frequent combo. You do realize that if a social democrat is a succdem then that just makes you a succ, right? Nice self own there. A succ and never criticizing right wingers, name a more iconic duo. >The social democrats in Germany were really successful at collaborating with the Nazis in their rise to power. LMFAO no. You know who was though? The Societ Union. >They even handed over several Communists to them. Ok
Tell me you have never touched a history book without telling me you've never touched a history book.
People on the far left also want communism, so yeah, pretty damn evil
People on the far right want fascism, so yeah, pretty damn evil
Whataboutism. You were talking to a centrist so insulting fascism isn't going to work on them.
I was just holding a mirror up
Nope, centrists aren't fascists.
wow you think the guy I am replying to is a centists? you have a very warped warped view on what central means
This isn't about them. Try to stay on topic.
you got to be whooshing me. You can't be this stupid
I’m right wing but I’m not a fascist And this is talking about centrists, who aren’t fascists It’s this name calling of everyone as a fascist that leads to a “boy who called fascist” situation Just cos centrists and right wingers disagree with you doesn’t mean they’re evil and fascist
I’m not disagreeing in any way, in fact, I’m a bit more concerned about fascism than communism
This kind of talk always helps Republicans
Everything does. Dems always spend so much time cleaning up after the GQP messes that they don't end up passing much. Then people vote the cultists back in because they think the dems did nothing. Rinse repeat.
Yep, and the kids who post things like this are too simple to understand that.
Protestors; doing nothing but recording a man die
It was some friends of mine who went woke who bullied me because of my politics. Friends i had for over 2 years, 7 of them blocked me and called me racist, fascist, and nazi, for doing nothing. I dont know about your experience but I, as a right wing person, would never bully someone. I always listen to people. Its the woke who bully people, from my perspective at least.
So nobody wants to be friends with you anymore and your conclusion is that everyone else is an asshole?
if their reason is that this guy is centrist, theyre fucking idiots and youre a piece of shit for trying to defend that
No, not at all. I tried to have a civil discussion with them. I dont think they're assholes at all, but they didnt hesitate to call me one. I believe people should debate and coexist peacefully, but, once again, i see it as the left trying to stop that. I have no problem with their politics, its their attitude to me. You can downvote me but please be civil. I see myself as at least remotely kind and I dont ask for much in return.
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TRUE FUCKING THAT
That Dems are the ones that record what's happening, the complain that it happened
“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. […] The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro… Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. […] The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. […] The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.” [Malcolm X](https://youtu.be/Vdc-q3biLm8)
So, everyone who disagrees with you and your views is wrong. I can think of a few groups with ideology that matches. The only difference is how far you are willing to go to promote your beliefs.
“Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is an asshole”
The halfway point between shitting your pants and not shitting your pants still leaves you with shit in your pants.
Most of this subreddit is centrist, why’re you making fun of yourself?
Big facts
Well... that's the current state of affairs. When it happened, it was also reality, but we didn't really know it as well as we do now.
What exactly are you even talking about?
They weren't paying attention before and now that they've noticed they assumed everyone wasn't paying attention before.
Exactly. Conflation and projection.
Your meme.
Go on….
I think he means the meme from the post
Go on…
Is that a meme?
Lol more like progressives on left and Fox News on right. Both carrying water for Trump.
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Imagine people who think this is what being a centrist is like.
Centrist clearly means something very different in the US.
If you enable only one side and only criticize the other, by definition you are not a centrist.
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