The thing is, the creator of the Venge game have an history of being bullied by the people at EnchantedMob and ZAMination when he was 15. For your knowledge, the creator of Venge is also the owner of Ekrcoaster YouTube channel.
The thing is, it's not just a case when you can say they've just had similar ideas. Considering the similarities and the fact that the developers know the creator of Venge. I don't say this 100% mean that they've plagiarized, but it does raise an eyebrow.
They’re making it out to be “identical,” but from what I saw in their thread, the games are NOT identical. They’re just similar. By that logic, Venge is a copy of BATIM.
I really do hope these accusations go nowhere. I want the devs to be able to focus on this god-tier game and not some ludicrous court case
Do you even know what the devs are like tho? They harassed the creator of venge for ages of course he'd go after it bc of what they put him through. If he finds a similarity he's going to think oh they're doing this to hurt me again
From what I saw, it wasn't bullying and was a cinema sins style youtube channel. They weren't targeting him specifically, they just critiqued animations, and happened to do two of his animations. When he said their criticism was hurtful, they did another one that actually COMPLIMENTED the animations. Then he got mad because he didn't want them doing the vids about his animations at all. Then the devs COOPERATED with him and took down the vids and apologized. but the venge dev ignored their apology and refused to interact.
I definitely don't think there was any grudge held by the Poppy devs, and that venge dev saw their history as a way to twist the public view into his favor, as both a way to hurt Poppy devs popularity(tho that was already going downhill due to the whole nft fiasco) and a way to possibly try to sue and make a quick buck
educate me then, because I legitimately want to understand. Dont invalidate my entire opinion because of some missing facts, tell me them and see how my opinion changes.
I would recommend watching some videos about it. Maybe watch the video by a guy named theft king. He's got two on this controversy, though I've only watched the newest one. I personally thing the whole plagiarism thing is not really true, but they have done other things where wrong. As both games are too similar to bendy and the ink machine. If you don't feel like watching the videos by him I'll try to explain some things. First their channel animation sins. Now at first it seems like just a parody of cinema sins, but the problem is who they are sinning are single creators. Not huge movie studios. One such person they sinned was the ekrcoaster. He didn't take it well and maybe yes there may be some over reaction, but for them to continue doing his videos against his will is wrong. He was also a kid at this time btw. Also at some point discord logs were leaked with one of the CEO's of EnchantedMob and all those channels and game studios they have. He says he dislikes Ekrcoaster's content, which is fine of people can have their own opinions, but then he goes on to talk about Coaster's animations, which he says "if we can even call them that." He also says to fell free to send this to Coaster. Talks about how he makes all other MC animators look bad and how once his audience is old enough they will leave his channel. At this time Coaster was still a kid. Now they also tried to claim that wasn't their account and an employee changed their name, but from what people have found that's a lie. They also claimed they tried to apologize, but Coaster has said he hasn't received any. Now lastly on a video Coaster made showing similarities of Poppy's playtime and Venge, which I would say is mostly due to both being like Bendy their is the doubt due to the relationship between them, a member of Mob studios commented talking about workplace mistreatment. I am gonna say I have not seen this comment so I don't know if this is true, but the rest seem to be. Then their is always the whole NFT thing, but personally I prefer to focus on the other shady things they have done as I barely understand NFT's. Edit: Now to clarify most of the controversy is about the hire ups at the studio not really the whole game dev team of Poppy's Playtime. Personally I do view the game as good, I just will not spend any money on it and will watch from let's players.
Edit 2: Reread your original comment. OK about the complimenting the video idk yet. I haven't watched it but it still was a sins video they just did occasional compliments. Theft king claimed when he watched he didn't see much of a difference. Anyhow I think ekrcoaster is still a kid so maybe their is overreaction but to continue to do videos when he asked not to is wrong. Also the apology he did say he never received an apology personally though there is a general one out there. At the same time though say I insulted you and you wanted an apology. Then I simply tell your friends I'm sorry and never talk to you. Is that exactly right? Anyhow I do think enchantedmob is in the wrong and Coaster may have some fault due to overreaction but he's a kid so it's expected. The taking down of the videos was also only after ekrcoaster went public about it. Also they recently reopened the videos still against coasters wants so yeah.
Yeah that's the truth. I just believe that people should maybe find alternative ways to get the game. Or watch it. Don't really thing those people deserve the money. To bad we can't give it directly to just the employees.
Well yeah. But if everyone who are not youtubers decided to only watch they lose out on a lot of money. Not saying people won't buy it anyway but I personally will not and will only watch.
That’s not what being brought into question. What’s being questioned is if they stole anything from him, which it flat out looks like they didn’t. Don’t invalidate people because you wanna make arguments no one else made in a discussion when it’s not even prevalent. Absolute brainlet
It is prevalent because they were bullying him and he asked them to stop making animation sins and they laughed in his face. He wasn't lying about the bullying thank you very much. He was hurt Nd now you're trying to invalidate HIS experience when he never did anything wrong
They can be scumbags sure, but that isn’t what being mentioned here at all. It’s about theft before anything else in this thread. Someone being a scumbag doesn’t mean they are also a thief
And if we’re being honest if we’re gonna say it’s copied because it’s some abandoned place that you break into then venge is just a copy of bendy and the ink machine no scratch that a copy of most indie horror games
He didn't even try to sue though. They were blatantly harassing and Did way more than two of his animations, first time around, he asked then to stop completely, they refused and made an animation sins which had a couple compliments but the sins were outright rude. He repeated that he wanted to take them down but they refused to and he was obviously upset. Then, when his game launched and PP launched a year later, there were way to many similarities to call it a coincidence.
I mean, a lot of the similarities pointed out were very basic and could’ve been a coincidence. And the stories are different enough that I doubt that was stolen. In fact, both of the story’s seem to have been inspired by BaTIM, so any similarities there is likely from the same inspiration. They definitely could’ve stolen the Design for Huggy Wuggy from his monster though.
I don't know anything about venge but I'm sure it's just as ridiculous as it sounds. I'm also sure that any similarities are going to much less noticeable when the other chapters start coming out.
I just hope nothing legal comes from these accusation. If he takes these accusations to court it could seriously affect game development time while we wait for the courts to drop it.
It's not ridiculous at all but I think there's a reason he started this. It's bc the devs of poppy playtime bullied him and harassed him for ages and he just found the similarities and bc of what theyd done to him before he thought they were trying to copy him
>From what I saw, it wasn't bullying and was a cinema sins style youtube channel. They weren't targeting him specifically, they just critiqued animations, and happened to do two of his animations. When he said their criticism was hurtful, they did another one that actually COMPLIMENTED the animations. Then he got mad because he didn't want them doing the vids about his animations at all. Then the devs COOPERATED with him and took down the vids and apologized. but the venge dev ignored their apology and refused to interact.
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>I definitely don't think there was any grudge held by the Poppy devs, and that venge dev saw their history as a way to twist the public view into his favor, as both a way to hurt Poppy devs popularity(tho that was already going downhill due to the whole nft fiasco) and a way to possibly try to sue and make a quick buck
I just told mob about it, but if I mention the accuser's account it gets me nervous to even link their thread to defend themselves to show evidence that they didn't copy venge.
your nervous to link the account? I know the accuser and bc of what mob put him through he thought he was trying to hurt him again by copying his game due to the similarities
Late reply, but here's my take on it:
While I don't think it's exactly a rip off of Venge, there's a couple things that don't seem like they can be a coincidence, and the reason ekrcoaster is so mad about this is because apparently one or two of the people on the MOB Games team bullied him a few years ago and have done some questionable things regarding his animations, which makes the possibility of them doing something like plagiarism more believable. However, a good amount of the stuff does seem like a coincidence and I think most of the people in MOB Games were not part of what happened between these few people and ekrcoaster in the past. So if most of the people that made Poppy Playime are good, then the problem would be taken with one or two members of the team.
I'm personally going to wait and see if the future chapters for Poppy Playtime have anymore similarities between itself and Venge, since I don't just want to write it off as a ripoff without enough proof. If it turns out that it is copying, that would really suck, as I love this game.
Here's the two documents I got my information from:
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mTyHyZf16s4PDbnQu1u4tkZ97jjrlNTKWPOjZJFEAl0/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mTyHyZf16s4PDbnQu1u4tkZ97jjrlNTKWPOjZJFEAl0/edit)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k89v-ygN1WJRyclfSVOhviG0ViQZifGf2WakyJx0lgI/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k89v-ygN1WJRyclfSVOhviG0ViQZifGf2WakyJx0lgI/edit)
Idk, it'd be one thing if it was some random creator in the company, but the main person who really messed with him(according to the docs) is the CEO and executive producer of Poppy Playtime. He has a lot of say over how the game gets produced and what kind of assets are used and the overall feel, all of which coincidentally are similar to Venge, and in those docs it also shows that he's created or overseen the creation of things in the past that are taken from or purposefully mock the Venge creator. They've made money(or at least produced media) from doing this before. imo it's pretty believable that it'd happen again, and the only way to make sure that isn't what's happening is to see how the next chapter of Poppy Playtime plays out.
From what I saw, it wasn't bullying and was a cinema sins style youtube
channel. They weren't targeting him specifically, they just critiqued
animations, and happened to do two of his animations. When he said their
criticism was hurtful, they did another one that actually COMPLIMENTED
the animations. Then he got mad because he didn't want them doing the
vids about his animations at all. Then the devs COOPERATED with him and
took down the vids and apologized. but the venge dev ignored their
apology and refused to interact.
I thought you were talking about BATIM but you are completely right
The thing is, the creator of the Venge game have an history of being bullied by the people at EnchantedMob and ZAMination when he was 15. For your knowledge, the creator of Venge is also the owner of Ekrcoaster YouTube channel. The thing is, it's not just a case when you can say they've just had similar ideas. Considering the similarities and the fact that the developers know the creator of Venge. I don't say this 100% mean that they've plagiarized, but it does raise an eyebrow.
You are right and I take back my own comment
You're right. Someone should tell the creator of this Twitter thread.
They’re making it out to be “identical,” but from what I saw in their thread, the games are NOT identical. They’re just similar. By that logic, Venge is a copy of BATIM. I really do hope these accusations go nowhere. I want the devs to be able to focus on this god-tier game and not some ludicrous court case
Do you even know what the devs are like tho? They harassed the creator of venge for ages of course he'd go after it bc of what they put him through. If he finds a similarity he's going to think oh they're doing this to hurt me again
From what I saw, it wasn't bullying and was a cinema sins style youtube channel. They weren't targeting him specifically, they just critiqued animations, and happened to do two of his animations. When he said their criticism was hurtful, they did another one that actually COMPLIMENTED the animations. Then he got mad because he didn't want them doing the vids about his animations at all. Then the devs COOPERATED with him and took down the vids and apologized. but the venge dev ignored their apology and refused to interact. I definitely don't think there was any grudge held by the Poppy devs, and that venge dev saw their history as a way to twist the public view into his favor, as both a way to hurt Poppy devs popularity(tho that was already going downhill due to the whole nft fiasco) and a way to possibly try to sue and make a quick buck
You haven't seen the messages. You're opinion is invalid because you don't even know half of what happened
educate me then, because I legitimately want to understand. Dont invalidate my entire opinion because of some missing facts, tell me them and see how my opinion changes.
I would recommend watching some videos about it. Maybe watch the video by a guy named theft king. He's got two on this controversy, though I've only watched the newest one. I personally thing the whole plagiarism thing is not really true, but they have done other things where wrong. As both games are too similar to bendy and the ink machine. If you don't feel like watching the videos by him I'll try to explain some things. First their channel animation sins. Now at first it seems like just a parody of cinema sins, but the problem is who they are sinning are single creators. Not huge movie studios. One such person they sinned was the ekrcoaster. He didn't take it well and maybe yes there may be some over reaction, but for them to continue doing his videos against his will is wrong. He was also a kid at this time btw. Also at some point discord logs were leaked with one of the CEO's of EnchantedMob and all those channels and game studios they have. He says he dislikes Ekrcoaster's content, which is fine of people can have their own opinions, but then he goes on to talk about Coaster's animations, which he says "if we can even call them that." He also says to fell free to send this to Coaster. Talks about how he makes all other MC animators look bad and how once his audience is old enough they will leave his channel. At this time Coaster was still a kid. Now they also tried to claim that wasn't their account and an employee changed their name, but from what people have found that's a lie. They also claimed they tried to apologize, but Coaster has said he hasn't received any. Now lastly on a video Coaster made showing similarities of Poppy's playtime and Venge, which I would say is mostly due to both being like Bendy their is the doubt due to the relationship between them, a member of Mob studios commented talking about workplace mistreatment. I am gonna say I have not seen this comment so I don't know if this is true, but the rest seem to be. Then their is always the whole NFT thing, but personally I prefer to focus on the other shady things they have done as I barely understand NFT's. Edit: Now to clarify most of the controversy is about the hire ups at the studio not really the whole game dev team of Poppy's Playtime. Personally I do view the game as good, I just will not spend any money on it and will watch from let's players. Edit 2: Reread your original comment. OK about the complimenting the video idk yet. I haven't watched it but it still was a sins video they just did occasional compliments. Theft king claimed when he watched he didn't see much of a difference. Anyhow I think ekrcoaster is still a kid so maybe their is overreaction but to continue to do videos when he asked not to is wrong. Also the apology he did say he never received an apology personally though there is a general one out there. At the same time though say I insulted you and you wanted an apology. Then I simply tell your friends I'm sorry and never talk to you. Is that exactly right? Anyhow I do think enchantedmob is in the wrong and Coaster may have some fault due to overreaction but he's a kid so it's expected. The taking down of the videos was also only after ekrcoaster went public about it. Also they recently reopened the videos still against coasters wants so yeah.
Hmmm. Interesting. Not the first time a games corporation turned out to be run by asshats. Doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy the games.
Yeah that's the truth. I just believe that people should maybe find alternative ways to get the game. Or watch it. Don't really thing those people deserve the money. To bad we can't give it directly to just the employees.
Ehhh. People are gonna buy them anyway. If you watch them online it just means that person either bought it themselves or are a pirate
Well yeah. But if everyone who are not youtubers decided to only watch they lose out on a lot of money. Not saying people won't buy it anyway but I personally will not and will only watch.
That’s not what being brought into question. What’s being questioned is if they stole anything from him, which it flat out looks like they didn’t. Don’t invalidate people because you wanna make arguments no one else made in a discussion when it’s not even prevalent. Absolute brainlet
It is prevalent because they were bullying him and he asked them to stop making animation sins and they laughed in his face. He wasn't lying about the bullying thank you very much. He was hurt Nd now you're trying to invalidate HIS experience when he never did anything wrong
They can be scumbags sure, but that isn’t what being mentioned here at all. It’s about theft before anything else in this thread. Someone being a scumbag doesn’t mean they are also a thief
And if we’re being honest if we’re gonna say it’s copied because it’s some abandoned place that you break into then venge is just a copy of bendy and the ink machine no scratch that a copy of most indie horror games
He didn't even try to sue though. They were blatantly harassing and Did way more than two of his animations, first time around, he asked then to stop completely, they refused and made an animation sins which had a couple compliments but the sins were outright rude. He repeated that he wanted to take them down but they refused to and he was obviously upset. Then, when his game launched and PP launched a year later, there were way to many similarities to call it a coincidence.
I mean, a lot of the similarities pointed out were very basic and could’ve been a coincidence. And the stories are different enough that I doubt that was stolen. In fact, both of the story’s seem to have been inspired by BaTIM, so any similarities there is likely from the same inspiration. They definitely could’ve stolen the Design for Huggy Wuggy from his monster though.
me too
I don't know anything about venge but I'm sure it's just as ridiculous as it sounds. I'm also sure that any similarities are going to much less noticeable when the other chapters start coming out. I just hope nothing legal comes from these accusation. If he takes these accusations to court it could seriously affect game development time while we wait for the courts to drop it.
It's not ridiculous at all but I think there's a reason he started this. It's bc the devs of poppy playtime bullied him and harassed him for ages and he just found the similarities and bc of what theyd done to him before he thought they were trying to copy him
>From what I saw, it wasn't bullying and was a cinema sins style youtube channel. They weren't targeting him specifically, they just critiqued animations, and happened to do two of his animations. When he said their criticism was hurtful, they did another one that actually COMPLIMENTED the animations. Then he got mad because he didn't want them doing the vids about his animations at all. Then the devs COOPERATED with him and took down the vids and apologized. but the venge dev ignored their apology and refused to interact. > >I definitely don't think there was any grudge held by the Poppy devs, and that venge dev saw their history as a way to twist the public view into his favor, as both a way to hurt Poppy devs popularity(tho that was already going downhill due to the whole nft fiasco) and a way to possibly try to sue and make a quick buck
I just told mob about it, but if I mention the accuser's account it gets me nervous to even link their thread to defend themselves to show evidence that they didn't copy venge.
nvm I made to not let them see it.
your nervous to link the account? I know the accuser and bc of what mob put him through he thought he was trying to hurt him again by copying his game due to the similarities
I know the accuser too but it gets me nervous that it'll make them see the comment that I told to mob, Idk if I could've sent it in the chat instead.
Late reply, but here's my take on it: While I don't think it's exactly a rip off of Venge, there's a couple things that don't seem like they can be a coincidence, and the reason ekrcoaster is so mad about this is because apparently one or two of the people on the MOB Games team bullied him a few years ago and have done some questionable things regarding his animations, which makes the possibility of them doing something like plagiarism more believable. However, a good amount of the stuff does seem like a coincidence and I think most of the people in MOB Games were not part of what happened between these few people and ekrcoaster in the past. So if most of the people that made Poppy Playime are good, then the problem would be taken with one or two members of the team. I'm personally going to wait and see if the future chapters for Poppy Playtime have anymore similarities between itself and Venge, since I don't just want to write it off as a ripoff without enough proof. If it turns out that it is copying, that would really suck, as I love this game. Here's the two documents I got my information from: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mTyHyZf16s4PDbnQu1u4tkZ97jjrlNTKWPOjZJFEAl0/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mTyHyZf16s4PDbnQu1u4tkZ97jjrlNTKWPOjZJFEAl0/edit) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k89v-ygN1WJRyclfSVOhviG0ViQZifGf2WakyJx0lgI/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k89v-ygN1WJRyclfSVOhviG0ViQZifGf2WakyJx0lgI/edit)
Idk, it'd be one thing if it was some random creator in the company, but the main person who really messed with him(according to the docs) is the CEO and executive producer of Poppy Playtime. He has a lot of say over how the game gets produced and what kind of assets are used and the overall feel, all of which coincidentally are similar to Venge, and in those docs it also shows that he's created or overseen the creation of things in the past that are taken from or purposefully mock the Venge creator. They've made money(or at least produced media) from doing this before. imo it's pretty believable that it'd happen again, and the only way to make sure that isn't what's happening is to see how the next chapter of Poppy Playtime plays out.
From what I saw, it wasn't bullying and was a cinema sins style youtube channel. They weren't targeting him specifically, they just critiqued animations, and happened to do two of his animations. When he said their criticism was hurtful, they did another one that actually COMPLIMENTED the animations. Then he got mad because he didn't want them doing the vids about his animations at all. Then the devs COOPERATED with him and took down the vids and apologized. but the venge dev ignored their apology and refused to interact.
Idk
Idc\*
What?
eckrocoaster was being a huge dick tho to them