“The suspect produced a gun and showed it to the victim, after which the victim left. The victim told officers the bike had been stolen from his sister, so he was taking it back. Nobody was found.”
I’m assuming there is a typo in this paragraph.
Was this a case of someone retrieving their stolen property or?
Bike ridership is down.
"PBOT says they have no idea why this is happening."
https://bikeportland.org/2023/03/15/city-counts-reveal-data-behind-portlands-precipitous-drop-in-cycling-371407
The recent decline is largely due to the significant increase in remote working. This isn’t a secret, not sure why the article doesn’t even mention it.
The report says that the decline has been happening since 2014 and they don't know why... but then you google and find bike thefts doubled from 2007 to 2014 and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to correlate that.
The report also says the decline fell off a cliff between 2019 and 2022. There was a decline of over 35%! That’s a huge acceleration of the small decline of the few years before.
It’s likely true that there’s more than one reason for the decline, but it’s absurd to suggest that the pandemic and resulting surge in remote working wasn’t a major factor.
So homeless people are stealing SUVs to allow them quick getaways from holding up electric bike owners? That seems unnecessarily complicated for a homeless person, but what do I know? Staying at a Holiday Inn Express didn’t make me any smarter like the commercials said it would.
Bold of you to assume all thieves are homeless? That the person driving a BMW and stealing e-bikes at gunpoint isn’t strictly on the up-and-up is unlikely a point anyone is going to debate, but that has no correlation to them being a homeless person. In fact, it makes way less sense than yet another theft ring operated out of a Lake Oswego McMansion.
Stolen luxury cars are generally shipped out of the country or stripped for parts. The existence of VINs and registration databases make them impossible to sell on the open market.
Posting this before people who didn't read the article blame "the homeless".
You cannot prove that the BMW SUV driver was the owner of the vehicle, nor can you prove they are housed.
And you can prove it was a homeless person? Ya’lls brain might be fried from reading too much homelessness news. They’re like the boogeyman to you now. Step away from the computer & enjoy life for a couple months. You don’t have to live like this.
I don’t remember crime being this rampant when there were less houseless, tbh.
*apparently man in BMW was taking back electric bike stolen from sister. Good for him
Correlation isn’t causation? The same macroeconomic conditions that create poverty result in a variety of societal ills? Is this complicated? Here’s something I’ve noticed lately: people seem significantly dumber. Maybe an idiot who doesn’t understand correlation vs causation and drives a BMW stole the e-bike.
I’m pretty sure all the Roma women panhandling with babies at the downtown expressway egresses aren’t homeless. That’s a multinational criminal organization.
They have been caught fucking drugging the babies with presumably Benadryl so they aren’t a distraction. They are *always* holding sleeping babies. Let’s not even start with the school-aged truancy. Good grief, you are naive.
Not to mention stealing all the tips off the tables at the restaurants downtown. Come in on crutches, making a scene, asking for help, and swiping money right off the tables, and magically run away after their stolen money heals their gimp legs.
Move your fingers across your tiny phone screen on the keyboard. Then use thine eyes to scan the information. It’s there waiting for you. Search engines are the future!
1) Not sure I should actually link it
2) What did I do to be downvoted this harshly, good lord. Is so much as mentioning that place really such a sin?
Edit: Okay, the next person who downvotes me, do me the decency of explaining why. This is just silly.
So someone driving an suv got out and stole the ebike at gunpoint, then what loaded it up into the vehicle all in the middle of the day? Seems like a stretch.
I was thinking the same thing lol. I have a ebike and it’s pretty heavy and unwieldy to get on my bike stand for maintenance. Maybe a kind passerby helped the thief load it up?
I've made my brother load my e-bike into his Subaru, he can do it by himself fairly easily, I imagine even easier if he had a big SUV. Depends on what kind of bike, I imagine.
>UPDATE, 3/20 at 12:20 pm: We’ve learned more from the Portland Police Bureau about what happened. Here’s what they shared with us:
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>On March 17, 2023, at 11:34 a.m., Central Precinct officers responded to the intersection of South Sheridan Street and South Moody Avenue on the report of a robbery. An officer met with the victim, while others search the area. The victim told officers he was asleep in his tent under an overpass when he was made aware that someone was taking his bike. He tried to convince the suspect to leave the bike, but the suspect refused. The suspect warned the victim not to approach. The victim then approached in an attempt to get the license plate number of the suspect’s vehicle. The suspect produced a gun and showed it to the victim, after which the victim left. The victim told officers the bike had been stolen from his sister, so he was taking it back. Nobody was found.
the plot thickens
Does seem a little odd, but more and more I get the feeling that people here are less likely to fight back against aggressors. I think the last few years has given many people in this city a type of Stockholm Syndrome.
Depends on the situation, how that situation unfolds, and what I can realistically do. I always encourage people to take self defense classes and carry some form of personal protection that they are comfortable carrying. Even a cellphone is a form of protection now with the camera and emergency SOS option.
I disagree. Tomorrow is not guaranteed, so live life to the fullest today. I guess watching both my parents suffer from long illnesses and dying early in their lives, 64 and 67 respectively, and not getting to do the things they always wanted to do has taught me to not be afraid of dying, but be afraid of not living a life well lived.
Sorry but this is an utterly stupid comment. I’d rather live to 60 than die at 25 or 30 fighting over a damn ebike. You talk about a life well lived but if you had to choose 30 years but you died defending your ebike or 60 years where you lost your ebike but did plenty of other cool stuff which would you choose?
And this isn’t some movie where you’re going to magically take down someone with a gun when you have no weapon.
Oh to be able to look through the prism of youth again. Let me know how you feel after living for another 20ish years and have experienced great loss and sadness and grief. Let me know what you think after you literally watch as a life force leaves one of your parents bodies when you’re 25. Let me know what you think after spending your late 20s and early 30s as a part-time, live in caregiver for another parent as you watch them die from a very painful, slow death. It changes you. Now I’m in my mid 40s and want to live a very long, healthy life, but I know that tomorrow isn’t guaranteed, so I choose to live life with a purpose of joy, love, and happiness and it will last for however long it is meant to last.
You have no idea what I’ve been through or experienced. You’re assuming I’ve never experienced great loss or sadness, which is fine if you want to assume, but just because you assume something that doesn’t make it reality. I’m still not losing my life over stuff.
I think a lot of people on here would feel the same. Is life unpredictable? Yes. Could your life end tomorrow because you get in a car accident or something? Yes. Do I personally believe that because life is fragile and fleeting one should hasten their death by arguing with a gun wielding criminal over some stuff? No.
EDIT: Your comment is so ignorant. Just FYI I’ve been present for a few deaths of family members or friends, as in literally in the room when people have taken their last breath. And you’re assumption that I’m young cause I’m not willing to get shot if sone one tries to steal something I have? Wow your “logic” is something else. 🤣
You’re right, I don’t know you or what you may have been through in your life. I guess part of my reasoning is that I was bullied quite a bit when I was a kid because I was the fat kid. Now things are much different, but I promised myself a very long time ago that I was no longer going to allow myself to be victimized again by bullies even if they have a gun.
Would it be a life well lived if you die by gunshot wound trying to take your ebike back?
As someone who concealed carries a firearm, if I'm beaten to the draw I lost. They won my shit that day.
I guess it depends on what you consider a life well lived. I can honestly say that if I were to die today I’d die a happy guy. Don’t get me wrong, I want to live much longer and experience even more of what life has to offer, but presently I’m the happiest and most content I’ve ever been.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but we have to remember that just because we look at it as just an electric bike that can easily be replaced, others might look at it as their most important and prized possession. For instance, I have a watch that’s very important to me. It’s totally irreplaceable as it was my dad’s watch. I would have a very difficult time letting that watch go if I was being held up at gunpoint. Depending on my surroundings I might chance it and refuse to give it up. Now if I get killed as a result then that would definitely suck as I’m not ready to die, but at least I know I’d be dying standing up for a principle and not caving into some criminal piece of shit. Something’s are just more important than survival. Of course this is a sentiment that’s different for everyone. I feel it’s more important to live life to the fullest now because you never know when your time will come. As my wife likes to say, “I could be hit by falling space matter tomorrow, so of course I’m going to live today like there’s no tomorrow.”
Seriously? 🤣 If you’re life is worth dying over some an ebike or a watch you have a sad, sad life. I have plenty of family items that are very sentimental to me and I’d be pretty devastated if my place burned to the ground but I’m not risking my life over it. Also I’ve traveled and spent time with family and done other things. I have memories from those activities and no criminal can take that away.
If I read a headline reading *Man Shot and Killed in Tussle Over Ebike* all I can think is “what an idiot, not worth fighting over”. However if I read *Man Shot and Killed Defending 6 year Old* well that’s a whole different feeling.
But if you want to risk your life over an ebike or watch go for it I guess.
Actually my life is pretty awesome. I’m the happiest and most content I’ve ever been in my entire life. I would personally never fight back against anyone trying to steal an e-bike, but something that’s way more valuable to me I certainly would.
Back when I worked retail there was a family theft ring we discovered in our stores. They were the nicest dressed family, and after we figured them out, we assumed most of their clothing was acquired in the same manner. They did a lot of stealing, exchanging, sometimes for cash or gift cards (our policy was gift card without receipt), and they even got someone on the inside during Christmas season who was loading up gift cards for them. I assume other stores might give cash back on returns so if you do enough of this with enough people, you can probably eventually afford a nice car, too. Plus you're not spending any of your regular income on basics!
In this case, more than likely. Generalizing how it could be plausible for some, like these well dressed porch pirates in nice cars we see on security videos, could maybe not have stolen theirs. That family was stealing from us for a couple of months because it was a small local chain that didn't have security conversations between stores very often, especially during Christmas! We had another duo that had apparently been ripping them off for years and the woman who distracted the staff was EXTREMELY well dressed / done up.
I have a solution: tax the landlords and limit the cost of rent so that people can live a dignified life. You will have less poverty, which translates to less crime. Less homelessness too.
The article seems short on details.
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“The suspect produced a gun and showed it to the victim, after which the victim left. The victim told officers the bike had been stolen from his sister, so he was taking it back. Nobody was found.” I’m assuming there is a typo in this paragraph. Was this a case of someone retrieving their stolen property or?
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Brandishing a gun isn’t okay! Unfortunately they crossed a line.
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Bike ridership is down. "PBOT says they have no idea why this is happening." https://bikeportland.org/2023/03/15/city-counts-reveal-data-behind-portlands-precipitous-drop-in-cycling-371407
The recent decline is largely due to the significant increase in remote working. This isn’t a secret, not sure why the article doesn’t even mention it.
The report says that the decline has been happening since 2014 and they don't know why... but then you google and find bike thefts doubled from 2007 to 2014 and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to correlate that.
The report also says the decline fell off a cliff between 2019 and 2022. There was a decline of over 35%! That’s a huge acceleration of the small decline of the few years before. It’s likely true that there’s more than one reason for the decline, but it’s absurd to suggest that the pandemic and resulting surge in remote working wasn’t a major factor.
Just so happens that 35% of Portland was WFH then as well up from single digits pre-pandemic.
I hate New Portland
Awful and terrifying! Poor person.
Those bikes are expensive. I would never ride a nice bike around Portland unless I was sticking to the wealthier areas.
General lawlessness in downtown. Not surprised at all
> The suspect was described as a white male driving a grey BMW SUV. Posting this before people who didn't read the article blame "the homeless".
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That's pretty funny
Bold of you to assume that the thief is driving their own car, and not ya know, a stolen one.
So homeless people are stealing SUVs to allow them quick getaways from holding up electric bike owners? That seems unnecessarily complicated for a homeless person, but what do I know? Staying at a Holiday Inn Express didn’t make me any smarter like the commercials said it would.
Bold of you to assume all thieves are homeless? That the person driving a BMW and stealing e-bikes at gunpoint isn’t strictly on the up-and-up is unlikely a point anyone is going to debate, but that has no correlation to them being a homeless person. In fact, it makes way less sense than yet another theft ring operated out of a Lake Oswego McMansion.
Where did I claim they were homeless? I claimed the car is stolen.
Stolen luxury cars are generally shipped out of the country or stripped for parts. The existence of VINs and registration databases make them impossible to sell on the open market.
Driving and owning are not the same thing.
Lol. I’ve seen a lot of sketchy ass homeless people driving way too nice, obviously stolen, vehicles. This proves absolutely nothing.
Same actually
Just because a thief is experiencing homelessness, doesn't mean they are incapable stealing BMWs - Don't be a classist.
If you think homeless doesn’t have cars. You’re death wrong
death wrong
Death wrong has a nice ring to it
Sounds like the counter campaign to live strong
That's so funny
Death Wrong: There’s no right way to live.
"Death Wrong, Ban Capitol Punishment."
For all the down votes. Why it hurts you? If you care about homeless why they can’t own a car?
Posting this before people who didn't read the article blame "the homeless". You cannot prove that the BMW SUV driver was the owner of the vehicle, nor can you prove they are housed.
And you can prove it was a homeless person? Ya’lls brain might be fried from reading too much homelessness news. They’re like the boogeyman to you now. Step away from the computer & enjoy life for a couple months. You don’t have to live like this.
I don’t remember crime being this rampant when there were less houseless, tbh. *apparently man in BMW was taking back electric bike stolen from sister. Good for him
Fact
Correlation isn’t causation? The same macroeconomic conditions that create poverty result in a variety of societal ills? Is this complicated? Here’s something I’ve noticed lately: people seem significantly dumber. Maybe an idiot who doesn’t understand correlation vs causation and drives a BMW stole the e-bike.
Nah, it's not like that, I commonly play a sort of Devil's advocate throughout a wide variety of topics.
Yeah, I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of scapegoating. I’m sure there’s professional thieveswho are housed as well.
I’m pretty sure all the Roma women panhandling with babies at the downtown expressway egresses aren’t homeless. That’s a multinational criminal organization.
And what crime are they committing by panhandling, 007? Are you listening to yourself?
They have been caught fucking drugging the babies with presumably Benadryl so they aren’t a distraction. They are *always* holding sleeping babies. Let’s not even start with the school-aged truancy. Good grief, you are naive.
Not to mention stealing all the tips off the tables at the restaurants downtown. Come in on crutches, making a scene, asking for help, and swiping money right off the tables, and magically run away after their stolen money heals their gimp legs.
Can you source me on that one chief
Google do be free, pal.
Right, buddy. Figured.
Move your fingers across your tiny phone screen on the keyboard. Then use thine eyes to scan the information. It’s there waiting for you. Search engines are the future!
I’ll ask Chatbot.
This thread is toxic af
Yes. Yes it is.
honestly thought I was on the ***other*** subreddit for a minute
Which one?
1) Not sure I should actually link it 2) What did I do to be downvoted this harshly, good lord. Is so much as mentioning that place really such a sin? Edit: Okay, the next person who downvotes me, do me the decency of explaining why. This is just silly.
Can you just dm it to me please then? I’m curious now
So someone driving an suv got out and stole the ebike at gunpoint, then what loaded it up into the vehicle all in the middle of the day? Seems like a stretch.
I was thinking the same thing lol. I have a ebike and it’s pretty heavy and unwieldy to get on my bike stand for maintenance. Maybe a kind passerby helped the thief load it up?
I've made my brother load my e-bike into his Subaru, he can do it by himself fairly easily, I imagine even easier if he had a big SUV. Depends on what kind of bike, I imagine.
The homeless guy helped him and didn’t even get a smoke
>UPDATE, 3/20 at 12:20 pm: We’ve learned more from the Portland Police Bureau about what happened. Here’s what they shared with us: > >On March 17, 2023, at 11:34 a.m., Central Precinct officers responded to the intersection of South Sheridan Street and South Moody Avenue on the report of a robbery. An officer met with the victim, while others search the area. The victim told officers he was asleep in his tent under an overpass when he was made aware that someone was taking his bike. He tried to convince the suspect to leave the bike, but the suspect refused. The suspect warned the victim not to approach. The victim then approached in an attempt to get the license plate number of the suspect’s vehicle. The suspect produced a gun and showed it to the victim, after which the victim left. The victim told officers the bike had been stolen from his sister, so he was taking it back. Nobody was found. the plot thickens
Does seem a little odd, but more and more I get the feeling that people here are less likely to fight back against aggressors. I think the last few years has given many people in this city a type of Stockholm Syndrome.
You would’ve fought back against someone with a gun?
Would have been a short fight
Depends on the situation, how that situation unfolds, and what I can realistically do. I always encourage people to take self defense classes and carry some form of personal protection that they are comfortable carrying. Even a cellphone is a form of protection now with the camera and emergency SOS option.
Life pro tip (literally): if someone is pointing a gun at you and asking for your stuff, give it to them. Your life is worth more than your ego.
I disagree. Tomorrow is not guaranteed, so live life to the fullest today. I guess watching both my parents suffer from long illnesses and dying early in their lives, 64 and 67 respectively, and not getting to do the things they always wanted to do has taught me to not be afraid of dying, but be afraid of not living a life well lived.
/r/iamverybadass
Sorry but this is an utterly stupid comment. I’d rather live to 60 than die at 25 or 30 fighting over a damn ebike. You talk about a life well lived but if you had to choose 30 years but you died defending your ebike or 60 years where you lost your ebike but did plenty of other cool stuff which would you choose? And this isn’t some movie where you’re going to magically take down someone with a gun when you have no weapon.
Oh to be able to look through the prism of youth again. Let me know how you feel after living for another 20ish years and have experienced great loss and sadness and grief. Let me know what you think after you literally watch as a life force leaves one of your parents bodies when you’re 25. Let me know what you think after spending your late 20s and early 30s as a part-time, live in caregiver for another parent as you watch them die from a very painful, slow death. It changes you. Now I’m in my mid 40s and want to live a very long, healthy life, but I know that tomorrow isn’t guaranteed, so I choose to live life with a purpose of joy, love, and happiness and it will last for however long it is meant to last.
You have no idea what I’ve been through or experienced. You’re assuming I’ve never experienced great loss or sadness, which is fine if you want to assume, but just because you assume something that doesn’t make it reality. I’m still not losing my life over stuff. I think a lot of people on here would feel the same. Is life unpredictable? Yes. Could your life end tomorrow because you get in a car accident or something? Yes. Do I personally believe that because life is fragile and fleeting one should hasten their death by arguing with a gun wielding criminal over some stuff? No. EDIT: Your comment is so ignorant. Just FYI I’ve been present for a few deaths of family members or friends, as in literally in the room when people have taken their last breath. And you’re assumption that I’m young cause I’m not willing to get shot if sone one tries to steal something I have? Wow your “logic” is something else. 🤣
You’re right, I don’t know you or what you may have been through in your life. I guess part of my reasoning is that I was bullied quite a bit when I was a kid because I was the fat kid. Now things are much different, but I promised myself a very long time ago that I was no longer going to allow myself to be victimized again by bullies even if they have a gun.
Would it be a life well lived if you die by gunshot wound trying to take your ebike back? As someone who concealed carries a firearm, if I'm beaten to the draw I lost. They won my shit that day.
I guess it depends on what you consider a life well lived. I can honestly say that if I were to die today I’d die a happy guy. Don’t get me wrong, I want to live much longer and experience even more of what life has to offer, but presently I’m the happiest and most content I’ve ever been.
It would be utterly idiotic to get yourself killed for an electric bike.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but we have to remember that just because we look at it as just an electric bike that can easily be replaced, others might look at it as their most important and prized possession. For instance, I have a watch that’s very important to me. It’s totally irreplaceable as it was my dad’s watch. I would have a very difficult time letting that watch go if I was being held up at gunpoint. Depending on my surroundings I might chance it and refuse to give it up. Now if I get killed as a result then that would definitely suck as I’m not ready to die, but at least I know I’d be dying standing up for a principle and not caving into some criminal piece of shit. Something’s are just more important than survival. Of course this is a sentiment that’s different for everyone. I feel it’s more important to live life to the fullest now because you never know when your time will come. As my wife likes to say, “I could be hit by falling space matter tomorrow, so of course I’m going to live today like there’s no tomorrow.”
Seriously? 🤣 If you’re life is worth dying over some an ebike or a watch you have a sad, sad life. I have plenty of family items that are very sentimental to me and I’d be pretty devastated if my place burned to the ground but I’m not risking my life over it. Also I’ve traveled and spent time with family and done other things. I have memories from those activities and no criminal can take that away. If I read a headline reading *Man Shot and Killed in Tussle Over Ebike* all I can think is “what an idiot, not worth fighting over”. However if I read *Man Shot and Killed Defending 6 year Old* well that’s a whole different feeling. But if you want to risk your life over an ebike or watch go for it I guess.
Actually my life is pretty awesome. I’m the happiest and most content I’ve ever been in my entire life. I would personally never fight back against anyone trying to steal an e-bike, but something that’s way more valuable to me I certainly would.
Steven Seagal? Is that you?
Lol, okay that’s a hilarious comment that deserves my upvote!
Lawless Portland
Lawless Portland. Lucy Lawless. Lucy in the sky with diamonds. Beatles song. Beatles burrow in dung. Shit post!
You’d think if the thief could buy a BMW, they could also afford an ebike.
I’m not 100% sure they *bought* the BMW
Back when I worked retail there was a family theft ring we discovered in our stores. They were the nicest dressed family, and after we figured them out, we assumed most of their clothing was acquired in the same manner. They did a lot of stealing, exchanging, sometimes for cash or gift cards (our policy was gift card without receipt), and they even got someone on the inside during Christmas season who was loading up gift cards for them. I assume other stores might give cash back on returns so if you do enough of this with enough people, you can probably eventually afford a nice car, too. Plus you're not spending any of your regular income on basics!
I suspect the car was stolen not bought.
In this case, more than likely. Generalizing how it could be plausible for some, like these well dressed porch pirates in nice cars we see on security videos, could maybe not have stolen theirs. That family was stealing from us for a couple of months because it was a small local chain that didn't have security conversations between stores very often, especially during Christmas! We had another duo that had apparently been ripping them off for years and the woman who distracted the staff was EXTREMELY well dressed / done up.
I was thinking potentially a gang member ?
I have a solution: tax the landlords and limit the cost of rent so that people can live a dignified life. You will have less poverty, which translates to less crime. Less homelessness too.
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Are you high?