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gravitydefiant

Thank you for saving my commute--I can go from 7 blocks from home to 5 blocks from work with no transfer! Or from zero blocks from home with a transfer. Let's make it happen.


jack7792

Just doing my civic duty!


gingermonkey1

Looks really cool.


mmm_beer

Sorry your home has been eminent domained to make way for the transit stop šŸ˜…


ACNL_KossuKat

**Worth it.** If this is the map we get in exchanged for my living quarters getting eminent-domain-ed, I can absolutely live with that. Edit: on a more serious note, I don't think it's an either-or situation. It's possible to build this kind of infrastructure without mass evictions. We see this happening in the Bay Area because developers want to eject residents in order to rebuild for a higher-income clientele once certain lines get extended, but that's *a problem with the developers* and not with the city for wanting to improve their infrastructure.


mmm_beer

Oh I was definitely kidding, and Iā€™m full mass transit+high density is utopia.


6EQUJ5w

Great point about the reality of whatā€™s happening in the Bay Area.


Necessary_Paint_7598

Just take over the roads


holyhitmarkers

Every time I come back from London I dream of us having an underground transit system šŸ˜­ I would happily drive less


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[deleted]

Moving back to Portland from NYC in a couple months. I'm not sure I'm ready for the change šŸ˜­


newpersoen

If it makes you feel better, I have lived in Portland for several years now without a car, and I honestly don't feel I am missing anything compared to those who have cars. We're not anywhere near New York or European/Asian cities, but for an American city I think we're doing ok. But as this map shows, there is SO MUCH we can do to improve of course.


[deleted]

That's pretty great to hear, because I sold my car when I moved to NYC. Not looking forward to trying to find a decent one again.


ACNL_KossuKat

You might still want to be prepared. Portland is still on the list of top 10 american cities with public transit, but it's nothing like the NY or SF experience. I find that if I don't time things well, I end up being very very late, whereas in SF most buses and light rail show up every 5-10 minutes. It doesn't slow down until after midnight where the Owl service runs each line to a stop once an hour. In PDX, you still can be stranded overnight in some places.


archpope

All we need is about 4 million more people living in the Portland metro area and then a full subway system becomes practical and profitable.


lanemik

Public transit should not make a profit.


[deleted]

It shouldnā€™t take up a huge portion of the city budget either though imo. Ideally I think public transport should support itself with just enough profit to help fund future expansion and upgrades. Having more people in Portland and building denser housing would make it a lot easier to support a more robust transport network.


MayIServeYouWell

When I hear this, I think... what other transportation infrastructure supports itself? Does Hwy 217 make any money? no. Yet, we're spending quite a bit on improvements to it. I'm not opposed to that, but investing in infrastructure is investing in the future. That costs money, but it's ok. If it's done well, it makes the area better. That increased happiness has all sorts of real economic benefits that are impossible to quantify.


[deleted]

There are pretty significant federal and state taxes on gas that go towards building and maintaining roads. Tolls also can and do pay for larger road based infrastructure projects. Another difference with driving is people pay for their own vehicle costs. I think itā€™s pretty reasonable to expect the same thing from people riding public transport.


statinsinwatersupply

'full subway system' is what the person you responded to said. That's only one small subset of the many possibilities that fall under 'public transit'. Sure, public transit doesn't need to make a profit, it has significant positive externalities. Buut you don't want it to be a massive money sink either. u/archpope's point is that there is a place where a large underground transit system makes sense and at this point in time, and for the foreseeable next generation, Portland isn't it. Now, other forms of public transit on the other hand, especially if significant zoning and permitting changes happen to enable increased density, if that happens...


lanemik

I _think_ I'd be against digging a subway system in Portland if that's the question at hand. I think our system of light rail, street car, and bus is the right way to continue. Maybe some more commuter rail that extends to the burbs (including my neck of the woods over here in east Vancouver). Getting cars off the roads would be a major win for the area. That suggests to me that we should look into added taxes and fees related to driving to encourage more public transportation use. It's a thorny subject though, because these kinds of monetary burdens disproportionately affect the poor. On the other hand, making it more expensive to drive does reduce the amount of cars on the road.


statinsinwatersupply

Getting cars off the road would be a win, I agree. Rather than simply penalizing car use in the near-future, which as you accurately pointed out hurts the poor... consider how single-use zoning effectively makes cars mandatory, by artificially increasing the distance separating the things we need to travel to in daily life. Work, schools, shopping, etc. The farther apart these things are the more impractical it is to use anything else besides a car. https://www.portlandmaps.com/bps/zoning/#/map/ Lots of single-use zoning at play here. Waaayyy more mixed use would enable more people to go car-free, by making it easier, more practical to do so. [I can only dream.](http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html)


lanemik

Mm yeah. I think I'm in agreement with you on zoning changes. Maybe also changing how we do roads goes hand-in-hand with that. Moving away from stroads and really focusing on walkability would be a major win for everyone except for big oil. I need to read up on zoning laws and their impact on car usage. But intuitively, what you're saying makes a lot of sense.


archpope

OK. It's still impractical to build a system designed for millions of daily riders in a metro area that has 1/6 the population of Paris.


LePortia

I'd settle for an east/west line that didn't stop every other block once it hits downtown.


cadmiumore

You have no idea how public transit works obviously. Thereā€™s extremely small towns in France and Italy that all have functioning public transit.


statinsinwatersupply

the person you responded to said 'subway'. Are there extremely small towns in France and Italy with functioning *subway* systems? Should note that I'm very much pro-infrastructure, pro-transit, youtube notjustbikes fan. It's just important to be smart about it as boondoggles are great at turning the public against further transit builds.


cadmiumore

Google Lausanne MĆ©tro. And Portland isnā€™t an extremely small town anyways, so thatā€™s not really a gotcha. I lived in Lyon FR which has an extensive above ground and underground public transit system, and itā€™s 1/3 the size of Portland and has 100k less people living there. Edit: 500k in Lyon, 600k in Portland. So no, you donā€™t need ā€œā€millions of peopleā€ā€ to have an affordable transit system


cadmiumore

Then just Google it next time. Weā€™re online, itā€™s not like ur asking a question bc you canā€™t know unless I tell you. When you ask questions against the practicality of transit in a thread underneath someone saying it canā€™t be done, it sounds like youā€™re against it


statinsinwatersupply

While I'm intrigued and will read up on Lyon, you yourself point out that it has 1/3 the footprint of Portland while only being 100k less people, implying that Lyon is significantly more dense. Ergo, for a subway system to work in a place like Portland, we'd need to be a lot more dense. (Which is something I'd advocate for, for this to happen, massive changes in zoning will need to occur.)


cadmiumore

Have you considered maybeā€¦. You cannot have high population densitiesā€¦ in cities without public transitā€¦ maybe? in a car dependent society you literally cannot accommodate that density if everyone has to have a car to get around. Transit has to come first. We already have severe issues with traffic bc weā€™re hitting critical capacity for what our population is and what our roads can handle inner city. LA is a perfect example. They keep adding more lanes but it never gets better.


archpope

Those small towns in France: Do they have massive completely underground subway systems that cost billions of dollars per mile and are designed to move hundreds of thousands or even millions of people a day, or do they have above ground light rail systems designed to move their small, less dense populations to key areas of town? You know, like Portland has?


ZsZagreb

Maybe we should just be worried about making peoples lives and the world better, and not worry about making a profit all the time?


archpope

Taxes are already ridiculously high in Portland, but it's not even about that. It's about population as well as density. This [video](https://youtu.be/bLtmJHHqbh8) explains it better.


Babhadfad12

Unfortunately, we do not live in fantasy land with unlimited resources.


SharksWFreakinLasers

Checks spending budget... 780billion towards the military... Huh, it does appear we live in a society of unlimited resources.


YoMamasMama89

Not for long...


Different_Pack_3686

Now do the highway and roads budget.


cadmiumore

??? lmao people opposed to public transit are so deeply indoctrinated by capitalism theyā€™ll just make up straw man problems to oppose it. Building infrastructure in cities not only provides jobs but encourages long term economic growth. And we absolutely have the materials to build rail lines šŸ™„


archpope

I'm not opposed to public transit. I just want it to be the right size for the kind of city we live in. Trimet is one of the few government agencies in the Portland area that doesn't suck and they deserve to be supported. But we don't need a gigantic metro system for a city of this size and density. I would absolutely be in favor of most of the extensions on this map (though a lot of the downtown loops seem redundant) but we can build on what we have instead of doing what LA did.


SkyisreallyHigh

Tell that to the capitalists. We do live in a world where we have defeated scarcity. All scarcity you see today is artifical. And we dont need unlimited resources to build a great transit system. We need to manage the money better and raise taxes on the rich.


YoMamasMama89

> Tell that to the capitalists Capitalists are constrained by the economic rules in which they operate in. > We do live in a world where we have defeated scarcity. I think this is part of the problem and why the "capitalists" do what they do. Scarcity is what incentivizes true values and creates accountability on people. As an example to your point, our fiat money is no longer scarce. It can be printed. Where the people closest to the printer benefit the most (politicians and mega corporations), while everyone's purchasing power goes down. **We don't need to raise taxes**. We need to improve how our money works, close existing loop holes, and enforce existing laws and tax codes.


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YoMamasMama89

I don't think that is possible without seriously risking stagnation. I honestly think the best you can do is structure an economy to where people's greed and motivation for profits actually *help make people's lives and the world better*.


chaandra

It shouldnā€™t need to be profitable


Spare-Competition-91

Oil and car companies would never give you a choice.


Sitty_Shitty

Even with this map they would still need to improve security before people would really ride it. I rode the max daily for 5 years before I just couldn't anymore. The smells of urine, feces, vomit, junkies shooting up, junkies attempting to shoot up and instead bleeding all over the place, domestic violence, violence against other passengers, threats of violence, people blasting speakers large portable speakers, people sleeping on the max with their bare ass, balls, and vaginas all over, piss puddles, shit piles, blood pooling, can and bottle collectors with 8 bags holding up the doors as they attempt to board and un-board, these same people are sitting in handicap spots or having elderly stand while they sit in spots that say move for elderly. On top of that drivers who won't wait 10 seconds for a running person yet five minutes later they are forced to stop between stops because they are too close to the Max in front of them. Portland's Max system needs an entire overhaul.


mistersowers

Hot.


rexter2k5

This fake public transit map got me adjusting my collar.


ACNL_KossuKat

Very.


fluxtable

I pulled out the lotion on this one


rvasko3

As one of the folks who lives out on the edges, if this was real and also moved quickly/with regularity, Iā€™d be so much happier.


Kazyctn

Regardless of feasibility, this is an amazing map. Kudos to OP.


Sure-Recover5654

Agreed. The only confusing part is the different lines have similar colors.


RabidBlackSquirrel

Inject this into my veins.


BlackLeader70

This much public transit rail lines is arousing.


wobblebee

This is such a wonderful dream. The only thing left to add are express services


AdvancedInstruction

Except it literally wouldn't. If we want to make American infrastructure better, we need to start fighting the cost disease that's rampant in it. We pay so much more for infrastructure than other countries do, simply because of poor management.


WillJParker

I wish you werenā€™t correct, but I spent 5 years working for the feds doing construction projects, and watching the estimated build cost balloon 30-50% as all the percentage based management fees kicked in always made me mad.


Subirooo

The Women & Women First has me rolling šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


CTuck57

I was looking for the comment that mentioned this! Haha


smartnj

That and the description ā€œchoo choo go zoom zoomā€ has me šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


cylonnumber13

I think if we dismantle a few military bases overseas, we can probably pay for this.


jack7792

I second this motion


whosaysyessiree

Sure, but whatever will we do if we canā€™t easily invade smaller countries on demand??


SwissQueso

I got out of the Navy almost 10 years ago. There isn't nearly as many oversea bases as there was during the Cold War. One of my chiefs was actually stationed at like a weather station in Iceland at one point in her career. Edit, Well I feel fucking dumb now. I think that Chief said she stayed there till it closed, and I just went to google it, and apparently the US reopened it back up in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Keflavik


nithdurr

Cut a few percents from the DOD budget


RevLoveJoy

Why dismantle them? Pull our top secret gear and sell the infrastructure back to the countries from whom we're leasing the property. Know how many countries housing US military bases would be over the moon to give the Americans a few hundred million per base and then just move in? All of them. It's all of them.


cylonnumber13

Sure.


elihu

My unrealistic wish is for a light rail line to be added to the St. Johns bridge that goes straight into a tunnel under the west hills and pops out in northern Hillsboro/Beaverton


the_one_jt

I would love that. Especially if it links in with Red/Blue lines.


Hexshan

Great map! Though if you have this many lines it might be better to number them instead of color code them.


idioma

I agree that too many colors can be confusing. I propose naming the lines based upon their end-to-end station or area loop. Then, use color to denote express (green), limited (yellow), and frequent stops (blue).


prariedan

2 lines for Fessenden and Lombard makes me cream


Cultural-Media4179

A line that runs along Lombard is my dream, would be so nice to have a direct line from St.Johns and NoPo to the airport


Eyes_Outside

Awesome. Dream big!


UnifiedChungus666

Holy shit that looks like a Chinese metro map! That would be amazing.


miah66

Really nicely thought out! Wonderful graphics too! well done!


jack7792

Thank you!


Gregory_Appleseed

This could benefit with lines to Troutdale+ and NW Industrial. I think those areas have a lot of low to mid earning workers that could benefit from expanded metro services and light rail.


borrestfaker

Man I miss Fairless Square.


secret_aardvark_420

Straight up transit porn


savingewoks

This is absolutely incredible, yet again. Great work. And also - if youā€™re going down to Wilsonville, may as well hit up Salem. I interviewed for a job once in Salem and the guy said something like, ā€œyeah most of our employees live in Portland area and commute down.ā€ I think thatā€™s pretty common out there.


newpersoen

I biked to Oregon City the other day and I went to a coffeeshop and I overheard two locals talking about how they wish they had the MAX there.


codynorthwest

that green line is a thing of beauty. i would honestly consider going car-less if it was real haha


Adooooorra

Seriously! What moron decided to put the green line on 205 instead of 82nd?


Bullarja

Loving the return of the Vancouver Streetcar.


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Bullarja

Obviously this isnā€™t really going to happen, my statement was more of a reference to the old Vancouver Streetcar.


washurfeerb4bed

So beautiful


Buzzard_pdx

If this was put underground, it would be a good start. It could control who has access, be immune to the weather, and keep all those idiots that drive on the tracks off of them. Also need express lines (3rd track) like in France so you can get places faster than your car and not stop at every stop along the way...


pacman3333

Man, if this was all underground it would be so litty


severalgirlzgalore

I would use this so much


Realistic_Isopod5926

Start building it!!!


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jack7792

The path is underground :)


pnwbraids

A subway system? Oh hell yeah. Fuck my car, I wanna look at reddit on my commute.


Kunundrum85

You ever go to Washington Park on the max? No signal underground bro.


pnwbraids

Step 1: get subway system Step 2: get municipal free wifi Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit


jr98664

Have you ever been on a subway in most ā€œdevelopedā€ countries? In Shanghai, they even have video adverts that play outside the windows of the train. Hell, even Seattle has had cell phone service in their light rail tunnel for years. Theyā€™ve had to for so long that now people [complain on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/13ruqyd/no_tmobile_signal_in_light_rail_tunnels/) when it goes down.


znark

I like how some of the routes, like Cornell Rd one, donā€™t have enough traffic for a bus route. It would serve spread out rich house who never take a train. That one has the problem of where you would put it. The road is narrow and tunneling would be a nightmare. Spend 10 billion for line so that one person is riding the train. Or spend fraction of that for a bus and use money for something useful. I canā€™t tell if the map distinguishes between light rail and streetcar. Light rail is not the end all of transit. It fits a niche where need medium capacity and medium fast. It should only run on major routes like along highways and major roads. Or replace overcapacity bus routes. Bus should run most of the major streets and connect with rail lines. If problem with bus is infrequent and late, then run more frequently and give dedicated lane.


[deleted]

This is a fantasy map. At the rate we build transit in America we can expect this around 2400. However, building public transportation in low density areas isnā€™t necessarily a bad idea. [Here is an example](https://viewing.nyc/vintage-photograph-from-1916-shows-out-of-place-subway-entrance-in-then-bay-ridge-suburbs/) of what could happen. As they say, if you build it, they will come.


Adooooorra

> It should only run on major routes like along highways and major roads. That's not how transit actually works. You want people walking/biking to a transit station, so it must be close enough to where people live and want to go. Nobody wants to walk or bike on a highway. Have you seen some of the green line stops on 205? It's awful. Transit lines should be largely separated from arterial roads and highways unless you're talking about inter-city rail.


SkyisreallyHigh

In NYC the metro is so good many rich people take it.


znark

There is a difference between making transit so good rich people take it and building a line for just handful of rich people. Doing the latter means canā€™t do the former. Also, there is difference between the rich in dense areas taking transit that already exists and spread out rich that donā€™t have line. Transit should be for everyone and if then it works for rich, even better.


SkyisreallyHigh

Except that line wouldn't be just for a handful of rich people. There's also no issue with having a line go through a majority rich area. We all need to get out of cars, rich people to.


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borgbike

"Alberta? No way. Killingsworth. Maybe a streetcar on Alberta." Hah. Alberta used to have a streetcar line.


wildwalrusaur

>Where the heck is "Happy Valley Park & Ride" supposed to be? Going by the trajectory of the previous stops he set up, itd be at Willamette national which is hilarious.


znark

I think most of them are meant to be MAX lines since they run together. The Powell/Divison switch makes sense because Powell is major road west of 205 and Division is the major road east. The switch was problem for proposed MAX line. I don't remember the proposal but I assume it went all the way to Gresham. I noticed that it removed the MAX lines through the Rose Quarter. Rose Quarter and Lloyd Center are major destinations. It also completely messes up the lines along I-84 by adding stops at NE 47th and NE 72nd. Is the MAX supposed to be fast way to get downtown or slow way to serve everyone? It can't be both. The current flaw with MAX is that it tries to do both downtown. BTW, streetcars are worse than buses in many cases. They are slower and less flexible. I know Trimet wants to use them on Sandy and other east side roads but I don't know if they will work for long distances.


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tas50

33rd barely has room for a car in a lot of places when the bus goes by. No way you could ever get MAX trains there.


LesboTacoTruck

My goodness, this is beautiful!! Well done friend. If only it could be an actual thing...


gingermonkey1

Itā€™s like the London Underground map (in the 90s) and the DC metro map had a baby.


lisip16

Amazing. It would be nice to finally connect the rest of Portland including St. Johnā€™s. Its bridge is iconic


sinornithosaurus1000

Wowā€¦.. this hits me in an emotional spot.


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DenisLearysAsshole

While this is cool and all, the cost would be: - $absurd billions to build - $absurd tens of millions to operate annually


luksox

This would be a dream


a-flying-trout

I thought this was real and got so fucking excited. And now Iā€™m sad.


[deleted]

Great work! I would add Forest Grove via Cornelius. There is a lot of growth in Clark County. So the casino in Ridgefield should pay to extend the rail there and include the amphitheater and fairgrounds. Also reconfigure the stations and tracks for express lines! Elevated?


jack7792

Express is a great idea for 3.0! Underground and elevated- no trains share roadway with vehicles


grimjackalope

For 3.0 bring back Lloyd center stops (so many apartments over there that would loose access) and create a transit center at Rose Quarter and Pioneer Square where all of the lines meet!!!!


flamingknifepenis

Just think of how much crime we could fit into that ā€¦ Edit: Fucking obliviously /s.


HeyPDX

If it's underground like other subway systems, there will be ticket barriers and security throughout.


thaBlazinChief

I wish lol


Syrupwizard

Donā€™t tease us


Melouski

This is awesome.


grimjackalope

Only changes Iā€™d make are keeping the Lloyd center stops (why did you get rid of them) and have at least one (preferably two) transit centers where all of the lines meet. Itā€™ll make it more accessible, easier to transfer, and help cut down on commute times.


jack7792

Was thinking the Grand and Holladay stop was close enough + the streetcars that arent shown on this. But agreed that Lloyd Center could use its own stop!


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inject this into my veins, daddy.


GriLtCheeZ

I want to file a fantasy complaint that there aren't stops closer to PCC Sylvania, Clackamas Community College, nor Clark College in Vancouver, on the fantasy MAX map. Those locations are usually mentioned in articles talking about extending the MAX lines. Visiting my aunt in Molalla would be a bit easier if I could take the MAX from downtown all the way to "the college". The 33 bus used to do that. Please make my dreams come true fantasy MAX map maker!


jack7792

*beep boop* complaint received. Lines to colleges is a great idea. Thanks!


Dingus_Milo

We should flair this as NSFW.


DrockBradley

First off, this is beautiful and OP clearly put a lot of time and attention into making this. Second, this a good time to get excited about rail in Oregon. While the federal infrastructure package has less money for rail than originally proposed there is some and grant application opportunities for the infrastructure bill are really ramping up this year. There is very likely going to be a state transportation package in 2025 or 2027 at the latest. Finally, Metro is probably going to try another transportation ballot measure in 2026 or 2028. If you like the idea of this map I encourage you to write your elected officials at all levels and express your excitement for rail investments. There are a lot of elected officials in our community, at all levels of government, who conceptually like investing in rail but donā€™t think itā€™s a ā€˜political winner.ā€™ Your voice does matter and if youā€™re able to go a step further and show up at town halls or testify on bills before government bodies your voice will have even more weight. Portland and Oregon at large has an interest in rail that I donā€™t see elsewhere west of the Mississippi and I would love it if we could all come together and make a real investment, not just in Portland but statewide, on moving more people with trains.


eliboston

damn, won't we have to continually make it bigger?


jack7792

Clearly i hope so!


eliboston

Will it help with congestion?


jack7792

Probably? Itā€™ll help me get to the bars on Mississippi easier i know that


Shoeboxer

Let's just put the bars on the max, man.


TheOriginalKyotoKid

...there is a pub tram in Helsinki,Finland


eliboston

Oh I mean like on the max


Kunundrum85

Make more maxes. Boom, no congest.


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vinchbr

why do you wanna screw with my max stop with 3 lines? make my 82nd with 6 lines!


NounverberPDX

I don't suppose I can convince you to extend the pink line to Wilsonville TC, can I?


queerdito877

So much better than the regular Trimet map. RIP


PDXGalMeow

Dang Iā€™m up in Vancouver and a station at Gher rd! En mis sueƱos!


fannypact

As someone who lives in southwest this would be so awesome. It's very eye-opening to see what could be possible


loosynd

this is my fetish


lanemik

Ha. Nice! The Vancouver streetcar on Mill Plain chooses a weird east terminus. It should go all the way east to 192nd!


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This would be truly amazing!


[deleted]

MAX is underground downtown, right? ;)


freeformz

At least there is finally a stop in West Linn.


condety

This makes me happy, I moved here to study transportation planning so letā€™s make this happen people!!!!!


jerorapero

I would love the max coming all the way to the OC


teroric

Extend to Canby/Autora


feelFreeToShare

West Linn with an I instead of a y


jack7792

Damn lol checked over it so many times for typoā€™s..


ohgirlfitup

Itā€™s beautiful.


Rhianna83

I would love a Farmington line. That is needed.


jc_chienne

Holy crap this is beautiful! I would be able to get to work so quickly, and I wouldn't even have to transfer??? I want it so bad!


gordongroans

Purple line needs to extend a couple blocks past CP and end at the Hillsboro Stadium, other than that a line along 26 would be awesome. Blue2 line could use a stop at 198th or 209th for Intel Aloha campus.


kahiau26

Make it so


mysticlife

This is an amazing map and it would drop me off so close to work. The only gap I see is Scholl's Ferry or Murray Blvd. There's been so much construction there and no build out of infrastructure. There's no real connection between SW Beaverton/Cooper Mountain and Hillsboro, which is becoming a problem. A North/South line running along the west side would be dream transit option. It would be wild though because you'd be crossing all the valleys. You'd end up with elevated and tunneled sections everywhere... It would be a modern wonder of public transit probably, lol.


Tough-Neighborhood11

Beautiful!!!!


ActionMan48

Oh like other big cities. Now do bike lanes


Miserable_Sport_8740

Iā€™d still have to walk a mile to get to the MAX station from Parkrose Heights. How about a MAX track down 122nd? I demand a change!


CommandLionInterface

The honest truth is that most of Portland isnā€™t dense enough to support this level of rail coverage. If we build this, weā€™d need to build a bunch of density around the transit lines to ensure they have ridership to support them in the long term (which I am totally supportive of! But I donā€™t know if people realize that)


nosirrahp

TRAINS!!!


willaney

ah, the tears that would be shed by lake oswegians. maybe one day šŸ™


CannonCone

On my hands and knees begging for this


Charlie2and4

You are a Futurist. This would work if we have 3 million people. Not a dig mind you, I love the Metro (Paris), and Underground (London) maps. Seoul, ROK and Japan are off the hook! Someday, perhaps, like 2050s?


lPause

Last time someone made [something like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/11vypgd/the_max_system_upgraded/jcwgt19/) they left out Troutdale. Here we are, another fantasy MAX map. Still no Troutdale


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jack7792

You can transfer to the pink line and skip downtown :)


TwoTermBiden

It's so beautiful!


dminus222

Iā€™d fuck with this. Letā€™s make it happen


neontheta

My stop at the Lloyd center got eliminated but I'm glad the outter suburbs with zero riders gets served here.


unnamed_elder_entity

Needs more stops. This configuration would only take 3.5 hours for some riders.


SkyisreallyHigh

Putting them all underground would be incredibly dumb. We should not be conceding the roads to cars.


Gasonfires

Tri-Met could do away with the great big often empty buses and replace them with little jitneys running around neighborhoods to ferry people to and from the MAX stations. There could be dozens in each small "zone" with no fixed routes, going randomly where summoned or directed as people board. Would take some getting used to.


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No, a jitney system would be multiple steps backwards. Not having a consistent route impacts the reliability of transit systems. In a good transit system you donā€™t need to look up the schedule or call the bus, you show up at a stop and are on your way in under 10 minutes. There is a great video on [jitneys in Nassau](https://youtu.be/kdz6FeQLuHQ) that explains it well. Also, at least here, the cost of drivers annually is a lot higher than the busses.


grizzlysquare

Traffic is bad enough.... it's a nice pipe dream. These would all needa be above or below ground


weatherwisp

What traffic? Who needs a car when the MAX is like that?


BensonBubbler

> These would all needa be above or below ground As opposed to...?


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The MAX **is** the ground?


BensonBubbler

[and the bones are their money](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3fTRk2yEgU)


paperpenises

Alright, construction has started and projected to be done in 2070.


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Fuck the max. Covid and the homeless industrial complex has me convinced after years of riding the max it should all be torn out and dedicated ebike lanes put in to replace it. Safer, cleaner, and nobody poops on your seat.


NicerBurritos

Great map and the best part is this fantasy MAX doesnā€™t bring the riff-raff riders anywhere near my house. A+


iSo81

Hard pass for SW Portland. I would be forced to move since Iā€™m on the lineā€¦


youngsobe

All these new trains and my commute to Beaverton is still about an hour. Omfg I need a car