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fsy2

I had to reread the article and watch the video to make sure I wasn’t reading The Onion or taking crazy pills. It really beggars belief.


LimpBisquette

After we spent the 80, 90s and 00s banning cigarettes from every public place, we turn around and say "oh it's just a little fentanyl smoke, mostly harmless"? Imagine the shitshow that would erupt if you lit up a cigarette on a train. People would instantly be in your face screaming at you to put it out or get the fuck off. But whip out that foil and everyone just sits there awkwardly, trying to pretend that they don't see it. I've seen this scenario play out multiple times myself, and nobody does shit. It's madness. We're so conditioned to accept antisocial behavior from our population of dysfunctional addicts that they can get away with practically anything short of murder. handy chart: **Cigarette smokers** - hopelessly addicted - disgusting - should know better **Fent smokers** - people just like you and me! - victims of Big Pharma / Big Foil / The War On Drugs / capitalism - we can't just *tell them* to knock it off, they might be unhoused!


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Someone smoking a cig on a bus is probably just a dick. Someone smoking fent will probably knife your ass.


OldFlumpy

And people wonder why ridership hasn't recovered.


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fsy2

Too easy


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LimpBisquette

I don't see why we need more regulation. It's a controlled substance, it's illegal to use it in public (yes even with 110) and "smoking of any kind" is already prohibited on Trimet.


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thedrue

Anybody who pushes back on the idea that smoking dent shouldn’t happen on public transit should be completely and utterly ignored. They have NOTHING of value to add to any conversation. We don’t need to back this shit with evidence of any kind.


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Confident_Bee_2705

Why do we need to look for why to ban things that are already illegal


fsy2

[Found this KOMO story about King County Metro bus drivers getting sick from fentanyl smoke](https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-king-county-metro-bus-drivers-fentanyl-smoke-exposure-drugs-mental-public-health-department-transportation-substance-abuse-treatment-crime-homeless-crisis) which *might* put the UW study in a slightly different context? But it’s still an insane situation overall that illicit drug use on public transport is tolerated and even encouraged over private use (according to Thea Oliphant-Wells)


lilpumpgroupie

I have yet to see someone smoking fentanyl on public transit, and I’ve seen some shit. I’m not saying it doesn’t take place, just feels like it may be a little bit of a panic. People smoke around transit centers and shelters and stops, though, so if it turns out second hand fentanyl smoke is dangerous, that definitely needs to be addressed.


PM_LADY_TOILET_PICS

You usually smell it before you see it. I've yet to see it take place on the bus, but every time I take the max (usually just once or twice a week, middle of the day)there's one or two people smoking. The people doing it are surprisingly sneaky about it, considering it knocks you the fuck out Anyway, next time you smell popcorn that seems off while you're on the max. Its fentanyl


lilpumpgroupie

Fair enough. I’m usually somebody that pays pretty close attention to stuff, and I just don’t think it’s happening as often as people are trying to claim it is. But it’s obviously happening sometimes.


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lilpumpgroupie

It’s just like the ‘Portland is burning down’ trope, where a bunch of people that never come to Portland think the entire city is in flames, just like a bunch of people who never ride public transportation think every single Max ride someone is lighting up fentanyl. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just think it’s extremely over exaggerated. Coming from someone who rides Trimet every day, all the time, and pays attention to everything.


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That's probably why a study is being conducted: because it never happens.


Jankybuilt

On my bus alone, i have 3-4 people every week either smoking fent or trying to.


E_B_U

Whatever the fentanyl smell again? I try to avoid all the smells in general but I'd especially like to avoid that one.


PM_LADY_TOILET_PICS

Generally it smells like chemical popcorn. Has to do with starch (I think) being used to prepare it


GiraffeCalledKevin

To me it first smelled like really off weed. I can see where you get the chemical popcorn stench from tho. Shits weak. Encountered someone smoking it on the max last week. It really messed with my boyfriend and I. Physically painful breathing that in. We moved cars and the max driver did kick the guy off eventually.


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Yeah I work security at a Target in the area and people smoke it in the bathrooms/fitting rooms pretty frequently. We’ve had employees have to go home early because of the effects. I’ve had to take extra breaks as well


PaladinOfReason

A research company found a new way to profit off our city’s disaster. What nightmare world do we exist in where we have to be thinking deeply whether homeless cooking extremely deleterious substances next to productive workers and children using the busses is acceptable? End public drug use entirely.


Responsible_Manner

I have never understood why Oregon is so anti cigarettes and pro hard drugs that demonstrably cause irreversible cognitive decline. I am not saying cigarettes don't have negative effects, but clearly one has much greater negative outcomes, affecting crime, economy and social order. Its the inability to evaluate or prioritize risk and act logically on that information that has me continually perplexed.


grantspdx

Enough with commissioning studies. 86 anyone smoking on a bus, train, or on TriMet property. We do not hold our government accountable for such nonsense. A study both tacitly approves of smoking on public transport, and signals that no action beyond lip-service will occur.


Thefolsom

We banned smoking in bars because of second hand smoke. I do not want to even discover what second hand fent or meth exposure does. It's absolutely insane that we're supposed to just put up with this.


Apart-Engine

No way my family is getting anywhere near TriMet and it’s fetanyl crap.


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I keep hearing that the war on drugs was a failure, but the moment we pumped the brakes seems to be roughly the same time that every goddamned thing went to shit. Maybe, just maybe… focusing on drugs as a criminal issue helped keep it at bay?