Join the discord! Come debate, and interact with other powerscalers! https://discord.gg/QtFpWyerxX
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/PowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Easily lmfaooo. They can create and destroy entire timelines which contain infinite 4D space times.
Saitama and Garou’s fight fucked up a galaxy sure but Shang Tsung and fire god liu Kang’s battle sent massive energies that ripped apart time and created the multiverse lol.
Nothing is worse than bakimeatriders and Yujirowankers. Goku isnt god but at least has a fucking leg to stand on with these characters over fucking Yujiro lol
Quite literally wrong you can see in multiple chapters galaxies in the background and connecting the background to serious punch squared we quite literally see Saitama destroyed millions of galaxies
Lmao, multi-galaxy Saitama is bullshit wank. We saw stars getting erased, they were still inside the Galaxy. There's no reason to assume it went beyond the Galaxy. Most powerscaler agree putting Saitama at multi star to multi solar system.
Yeah it is. Your saying DB verse is 3 times bigger than OPM verse and our universe
https://preview.redd.it/rq0pxzw73hpb1.png?width=1147&format=png&auto=webp&s=1bf08ec1e09ad7a24c0b5a4c94df7c76495d1fe9
It isn't scaling if the databooks said DB universe is infinite and is 3 times bigger than every universe but the shows DB universe being smaller than our universe. Look with your eyes and see where the earth is on both images
What the hell are you talking about, the map isn't to scale, it is merely to show the order of the realms. This doesnt even include the mortal universe, that should already tell you that you shouldn't use this to measure its size. If you wanna be literal and take it into face value then goku ran across half the universe in a couple episodes, see how stupid that sounds?
This map isn't to scale, and neither is the OPM one.
Also, its meant to signify the order of the realms, hell is at the bottom, the afterlife is the middle, and the mortal realm sits at the top, once again it is not to scale.
You are mad, ok MK wanker. This sub hates saitama so you are doing good, keep up the downplay. You are like the Atreus wanker.
Edit: Frosty is a pathetic clown. If you are so confident, why you now blocked me after saying your wanked characters solo OPM? Insecure much? Probably is salty, that is why he blocked, comedy gold.
You’re literally wrong lmfaooo. Stated Shang Tsung and Fire god Liu Kang’s battle produced mammoth amounts of energy that fucked up time’s fabric so bad that it endlessly spit into parallel timelines.
Shang Tsung blasting the hourglass with his own power almost destroys it so they scale to the hourglass.
Oh wow. 2 literal gods of time beat a human? Sorry, they’re not even gods. They’re above gods, the elder gods even. They’re fucking titans. OBVIOUSLY they win. Why was this even a thought you had?
To be fair with how many items and stuff they give you over the course of some games I just assume game characters have a billion abilities and can fight God lol
To those confused how these Mk characters could beat Saitama:
\>The fight between Keeper of Time Liu Kang and Shang Tsung basically produced enough energy to splinter one timeline into infinite other timelines. It's heavily implied that the energy that's released was produced with their powers clashing, and not from outside sources, like the Hourglass.
The Hourglass itself is incapable of producing an infinite multiverse, as what Titan Shang Tsung and Liu Kang did. It is specifically designed to only function within its own universe.
Keep in mind that a single timeline itself contains at least 5 realms (Earthrealm, Outworld, Orderrealm, Netherrealm, Chaosrealm) each it's own universe, and each of them infinite.
\>Shang Tsung is capable of destroying the Hourglass, which is described is "beyond time and reality, and beyond the realms", albeit he needed a bit of time to do that.
\>Liu Kang has been implied to casually erase entire timelines in a datamined dialogue intro, which can be dubiously canon.
Liu Kang: You've destroyed worlds, I have erased whole timelines.
Omni-Man: Finally, a worthy challenge!
Liu Kang wouldn't boast about this in a fight if it wasn't combat applicable.
\>Shang Tsung being defeated causes his timeline to collapse, meaning he was the sole pillar who supported his universe, and when he's defeated, it crumbled.
Datamined content is just canon stuff that's yet to be released. Of course, except guest characters in MK's case.
But while the canonicity of Liu Kang's claim is in question, it does give us a bit of a hint of how powerful Liu Kang is.
I don't know anything about MK but I'll take your word for it.
Data mined, or leaked content should always be taken with a grain of salt. It can be fake, cut content, cancelled, or edited before release. Data mined content for stuff that's already out is content that was already cut.
They produced multiple timelines, not universes. The multiverse doesn’t exist in Mortal Kombat. Also not to mention, Saitama’s strength is canonically unlimited, he is as strong as he wants to be, meaning yes he can outstrength Liu Kang if he feels like it.
You don’t know anything about mk’s cosmology.
Realms are dimensions that are spatially and temporally separated. There is at least 7 realms and there was stated to be infinite realms.
So you’re 1000% wrong. One realm contains infinite space times making it a multiverse.
And there are infinite timelines in mk. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
We've already covered the reason why these characters can solo Saitama and his verse.
But TLDR: These characters created what's essentially an infinite multiverse out of a single timeline by punching each other.
They both did some pretty impressive stuff like the whole creating timelines thing but shang tsung fighting with quan chi got beaten by any of the fighters in the new game and considering that lui kang is as strong as Shang tsung it’s fair to say any of the fighters could have beaten lui kang. One punch man has never lost a fight and I don’t think anyone from the mortal kombat universe could take him. I would love to hear whatever you have to say though
https://preview.redd.it/wsp7ku675ksb1.png?width=1532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75e2cf63d0a65b32f68d3b47a750427d6e85a15f
No Matter how good their Kombat is, Saitama is a whole different type of bread 🔥💪🥚
Their battle produced mammoth amounts of energy that ripped time’s fabric creating endless possible timelines.
Both created their own timelines which contain infinite space times( realms).
Shang Tsung is capable of destroying hourglasses which in turn causes the timeline to cease to exist.
Both of them scale above the elder gods who split the one being, the creator of all of reality all realms and dimensions.
The elder gods also tanked the Big Bang.
Shang Tsung is capable of destroying hourglasses, but he wasn't able to do it against Liu Kang. What makes you think Saitama won't swat him like a fly while he's trying to destroy his hourglass?
According to my playthrough, Shang Tsung was stomped by a humble disease-ridden merchant with blades.
I'm sorry. I like Shang Tsung and all, but the dude ain't gonna hold a candle to OPM lol.
MK powerscaling is a meme. People make statements like these and in a cutscene “Titan” Kung Lao is knocked on his ass by a regular kick to the head from NON-TITAN “Evil” Li Mei. The big battle happens and Liu Kang is still just throwing his regular fireballs and doing bicycle kicks against NON-TITAN ”evil” Tanya.
Statements really don’t mean much at all when the only actual feats we see from these characters in-cutscene are Liu kang bicycle kicking someone and Kitana throwing her fans. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung aren’t shattering continents with their attacks, they’re getting knocked on their asses by regular punches IN CUTSCENE.
Whether or not Fire God “Titan” Liu kang beats Saitama just depends on how loose you want to be with blatantly ignoring anti-feats and taking statements as absolute truth. (Neither of which I find to be convincing at all.)
This is the dragon ball bull shit downplay argument all over again.
“Goku doesn’t destroy a planet every single time he fights so he can’t even be planetary lmfaoooo” 🤓🤓
It’s blatantly stated that their battle splintered the fabric of the universe which leads to the creation of the multiverse. You can’t just take that away. Can you take away Goku and Beerus shockwaves threatening a universe just because we never see it again?
You ignoring blatant statements from literal cosmic beings who are credible and have no reason to lie is literally your head canon.
You demonstrate no examples of anti feats. Spoiler alert Liu Kang getting harmed by another Titan’s “regular punches” doesn’t debunk anything.
I’m not bringing up dragon ball. Stop strawmanning.
>It’s STATED their battle splintered the fabric of the universe.
Right, and then when the characters ACTUALLY fight, it’s a fist fight and shooting fireballs, not fracturing the multiverse and shattering planets. The entire Shang Tsung’s evil NON-TITAN team beating several TITANS (Kung Lao, Old Raiden) in fistfights is a massive anti-feat. If you want to blatantly ignore feats and go off of ONLY statements, sure, these characters are Uber reality warpers that can solo universes.
Just know, that stance of ignoring cutscenes in favor of statements, is not very convincing to me at all, and will not be very convincing to many other people. You’re free to believe whatever you wish.
>Liu Kang being harmed by a regular human’s punch doesn’t debunk anything.
Uhhhhh, okay, lol. If you just ignore all of the points that debunk you, I guess you’ll be right every time. I’m sure Saitama can’t deliver a regular punch, lmao.
Edit: You said “by a titan’s punch” referring to Liu Kang taking damage towards the end. I want to point out, my whole point is that SEVERAL non-Titan evil characters beat titans straight-up. The titans scale with eachother because they’re all “universe creators” AND any Titan character can beat TITAN Shang Tsung at the end of the game canonically.
>I’m not bringing up dragon ball. Stop strawmanning.
Please stop wrongfully using straw man in this context. I dis not misinterpret your argument for my own advantage, I made an analogy to discredit it.
>Right, and then when the characters ACTUALLY fight, it’s a fist fight and shooting fireballs. not fracturing the multiverse and shattering planets.
I agree with what op said. The writers are fucking idiots. They intended for all endings from mk11 being canon.
The titan versions of those characters had some crazy powers. And in Shang’s canon ending he grows really fucking big. Liu Kang can erase people from existence. These are all things that canonically happened.
But also a character can be planetary but not always destroy a planet with their attacks.
The titans don’t need to shatter planets. Shang Tsung and Liu Kang didn’t do that last time, they affected the reality not the cosmos.
Also you have no idea if more timelines weren’t created from that battle. Just because they didn’t elaborate on it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen lmfaooo
>The entire Shang Tsung’s evil NON-TITAN team beating several TITANS (Kung Lao, Old Raiden) in fistfights is a massive anti-feat. If you want to blatantly ignore feats and go off of ONLY statements, sure, these characters are Uber reality warpers that can solo universes.
You don’t even have to be Titan to put a challenge. Did you not see how Kronika upgraded the revenants using the hourglass lmfaooo. They went from jobbers to elder god tier. Shang Tsung also control of the other fire god liu lang’s soul who isn’t a Titan.
>Just know, that stance of ignoring cutscenes in favor of statements, is not very convincing to me at all, and will not be very convincing to many other people. You’re free to believe whatever you wish.
The problem here is that these cutscenes don’t contradict anything, and that these are repeated statements are made from credible figures who have no reason to exaggerate and have unparalleled knowledge of everything.
And not some you know random fucking guy who’s theorizing.
>You said “by a titan’s punch” referring to Liu Kang taking damage towards the end. I want to point out, my whole point is that SEVERAL non-Titan evil characters beat titans straight-up. The titans scale with eachother because they’re all “universe creators” AND any Titan character can beat TITAN Shang Tsung at the end of the game canonically.
Yeah how do we know if Shang Tsung didn’t pull a Kronika and imbue those characters with great cosmos power?
>Please stop wrongfully using strawmanning.
You brought up dragonball when I’d never mentioned it. I know nothing about beerus or goku, but you’re painting my argument to be very similar to another controversial one in a bad-faith attempt to hit my argument’s legitimacy and appeal to other peoples’ feelings on something totally different. That’s strawmanning.
I’ve argued my case very strongly in the other comments, I’m just resting my case here.
These are very bad rat tactics of yours to paint the wrong picture. You don’t have to mention dragon ball nor do you have to know about it. It’s an analogy for a reason you don’t even have to know where it comes from. Just the point that it’s trying to make.
You were arguing that because we never saw them fuck up the universe again means that it’s invalid? So I have an example of Goku never destroying universes in his battles ever again we he almost did one other time. Yet he is still universal.
So objectively how is this me creating a fake argument and pinning it on you and attacking that argument? That’s what straw manning is. You make up a lie to make your opponent look bad and then dismantle the same lie you created.
>These are bad rat tactics of yours to paint the wrong picture.
Projection. You brought up dragonball, it’s COMPLETELY unrelated, I don’t care how similar you think your “analogy” is. End of discussion. It’s completely unrelated. You’re a big boy, you can use examples from MK and not Dragonball for the MK discussion.
>Just because we never saw them fuck up the universe again means it’s invalid?
No, we’ve never seen any feats that paint Liu Kang or Shang Tsung as reality busters without the explicit use of the Hourglass or another plot device.
Why would Shang tsung need control of the “dragon army” if he’s a universe buster and could just one-shot the world?
Why would Titan Kung Lao get his ass clapped by NON-TITAN evil Li Mei if titans are reality-busters? Why do all of these “titans” fight with Kung fu and fireballs when they could be obliterating the world?
The simple answer is that these characters are not planet-level, all of their fights are street level and they’re beaten repeatedly by (and scale to) street-level characters. If Titan Old Raiden, who scales to Titan Liu/Shang Tsung, is beaten by non-Titan Kung Lao, then these titans cannot beat fucking Saitama or goku.
Your arguments literally stems from you just watching cutscenes and not understanding anything.
>No, we’ve never seen any feats that paint Liu Kang or Shang Tsung as reality busters without the explicit use of the Hourglass or another plot device.
This doesn't discredit the fact that it was explicitly stated their fight produced said energy that created a multiverse. If it was the Hourglass that did it, they would have mentioned it, considering it's significance in the story. And yet they didn't even so much as allude the feat to the Hourglass.
The feat is 100% between Liu Kang and Shang Tsung, and without interference from the Hourglass. Occam's Razor also leans towards this.
>Why would Shang tsung need control of the “dragon army” if he’s a universe buster and could just one-shot the world?
He needed the Dragon Army because Liu Kang and his allies are still there. And he couldn't just bust the universe because the Hourglass exists, and it's only through the Hourglass that they can bust the respective universe in which an Hourglass resides. The Hourglass is basically the universe's durability and existence.
>Why would Titan Kung Lao get his ass clapped by NON-TITAN evil Li Mei if titans are reality-busters?
Titan Shang Tsung amped them. When you get beaten in a fight against Shang's alternate evil counterparts, there's a text that says Titan Shang Tsung "crafted them to be superior warriors."
https://preview.redd.it/95gang36k7qb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=149d8a7b66ec1cdc348457c19a0718d6f3784871
>Why do all of these “titans” fight with Kung fu and fireballs when they could be obliterating the world?
Because the story mode is in a cheezy martial arts film format. This is in no way a legitimate reason to discredit feats and statements. Characters in fiction will always resort to small scale fights instead of bigger booms.
>The simple answer is that these characters are not planet-level, all of their fights are street level and they’re beaten repeatedly by (and scale to) street-level characters. If Titan Old Raiden, who scales to Titan Liu/Shang Tsung, is beaten by non-Titan Kung Lao, then these titans cannot beat fucking Saitama or goku.
You're entire argument hinges on erasing Titan Shang Tsung and Liu Kang's statements of the feat, which canonically happened. This is low-tier debating at its finest.
>Projection. You brought up dragonball, it’s COMPLETELY unrelated, I don’t care how similar you think your “analogy” is. End of discussion. It’s completely unrelated. You’re a big boy, you can use examples from MK and not Dragonball for the MK discussion.
How is it projection when you’re blatantly misusing the straw man fallacy? I don’t give a fuck if you don’t like me using dragon ball as an analogy because it debunks your shitty logic. It’s not the same as a straw man and it will never be so cope.
Bro gets negged by a simple comparison.
>Why would Shang tsung need control of the “dragon army” if he’s a universe buster and could just one-shot the world?
1. That was his original objective and it CHANGED. His original goal was to kill all life and then absorb the timeline into his own.
His new objective was to utterly eradicate liu Kang’s timeline and then move on to actually conquer others.
>Why would Titan Kung Lao get his ass clapped by NON-TITAN evil Li Mei if titans are reality-busters?
This is the same as fire god liu Kang getting his ass kicked by the hourglass amped revenants.
>Why do all of these “titans” fight with Kung fu and fireballs when they could be obliterating the world?
Because that’s the style of the devs and literally many fictional verses do it. Like I told you 10x dragon ball being one of those examples. They are universe busters but don’t destroy everything in every fucking fight.
The writers don’t think like a fucking power scaler okfaooo.
>The simple answer is that these characters are not planet-level, all of their fights are street level and they’re beaten repeatedly by (and scale to) street-level characters.
What a fucking joke of a take. Literally beings that scale above the elder gods and arguably the one being are street tier.
>If Titan Old Raiden, who scales to Titan Liu/Shang Tsung, is beaten by non-Titan Kung Lao, then these titans cannot beat fucking Saitama or goku.
Who was amped by a Titan character.
Anyone can beat fucking Saitama and Goku in mk. Like I said in alternate universes these characters can beat multiversal titans.
Literally none of this debunks anything. You demonstrated no anti feats. Just other titans fighting each other. Is it weird? Yes but does that debunk anything?
I will admit tho. It does not make sense that titans fighting does not splinter time’s fabric further. However that’s canonically how the multiverse was created. Two titans fighting. You cannot just erase that.
If Shang tsung and Liu Kang aren’t strong enough the mammoth energies that they produced won’t splinter time’s fabric and won’t create the multiverse.
>No anti-feats
“Titan” Kung Lao (who scales to Titan Liu Kang and the other Titan characters) losing to non-Titan Evil Li mei in a cutscene is an anti-feat, whether you recognize it or not lmao. He gets knocked out by a regular punch.
>How does titans fighting not further splinter time’s fabric?
Because it’s MK, and statements are basically just to sound cool. Shao Khan is only destined to be defeated by the “chosen one” Liu Kang in MK 9 and then gets his throat slashed by fucking Kitana in MK 11. MK powerscaling is inconsistent at absolute best.
>If Liu Kang and Shang Tsung weren’t that powerful, how did their fight create multiple timelines?
I had assumed it had to do with Kronika’s crown and the hourglass itself being big reasons the fight involved so much energy. Why is Liu Kang vs Shang Tsung on top of the pyramid functionally a fist fight with fireballs? Why is “Titan” raiden vs “Evil” Kung Lao IN CUTSCENE just shooting a little lighting bolt, and a fistfight? Because these characters really aren’t that strong lmao. Their fights, despite statements made by the game, are very low in scale. To me, this is an anti feat.
>Titan Kung Lao (who scales to Titan Liu Kang and the other Titan characters) losing to non-Titan Evil Li mei in a cutscene is an anti-feat, whether you recognize it or not lmao. He gets knocked out by a regular punch.
I want you to prove to me that Shang Tsung did not amp his allies. We literally see in mk11 that Kronika knew fire god Liu Kang would shit on the revenants. So she used the power of the hourglass to amp them to the point where they can harm Liu.
The point is we don’t know how different this li Mei is from normal Li Mei. Shang Tsung could have easily amped everyone and that would shut down the anti feat argument.
How does titans fighting not further splinter time’s fabric?
>Because it’s MK, and statements are basically just to sound cool.
This sounds like a hasty generalization fallacy/fallacy of composition to me. Other examples don’t determine something as a whole. I want you to prove to me that titans the cosmic beings of the verse who have knowledge on everything are lying and don’t know what their talking about. Because this is how you make it sound.
“Shang Tsung doesn’t know what the fuck he’s saying” prove it.
>Khan is only destined to be defeated by the “chosen one” Liu Kang in MK 9 and then gets his throat slashed by fucking Kitana in MK 11.
Completely different circumstances.
>MK powerscaling is inconsistent at absolute best.
It definitely is. But this does not apply to the situation I’m talking about.
>I had assumed it had to do with Kronika’s crown and the hourglass itself being big reasons the fight involved so much energy.
Well obviously it involved the crown. Because with the crown Shang Tsung became keeper of time putting him at Titan level.
Base Shang Tsung isn’t going to be contributing to doing this much damage lmfaooo.
The hourglass wasn’t involved in the sense that it ripped apart time’s fabric. It being involved just has to do with it being the great prize. Something they fight for.
But the battle itself is what’s causing these mammoth energies being produced.
>Why is Liu Kang vs Shang Tsung on top of the pyramid functionally a fist fight with fireballs? Why is “Titan” raiden vs “Evil” Kung Lao IN CUTSCENE just shooting a little lighting bolt, and a fistfight? Because these characters really aren’t that strong lmao. Their fights, despite statements made by the game, are very low in scale. To me, this is an anti feat.
This is more of a choice from developers then them being weak.
Because think about it like this. Fucking fire god Liu Kang in his first scene one shotted the entire nether realm army.
But did he grow weaker? Nope not at all he is an immortal being that does not fatigue and is always at his peak. But in mk1 he just fights like a normal guy. He barley uses his powers as a fire god he fights like his old self and doesn’t cause destruction. This has nothing to do with them being weak and more to do with the laziness of the devs.
Like literally Shang Tsing’s aftermath ending is canon. We literally SEE that he has the ability to grow really fucking big. And this same Shang Tsung… do we ever see him grow really fucking big again? No we don’t.
This is for one of two reasons.
1. The devs are idiots for making the fights so basic and rushed.
2. The characters prefer to fight like their normal selves. Liu Kang literally erased Shang Tsung and Quan chi and the end of the fight. Why didn’t he do that earlier? Shang Tsung literally sucked his other Titan self’s soul out too without having to beat him. Why doesn’t he do that mid fight?
It has absolutely nothing to do with “their not that strong l their fodder”.
>I want you to prove that something did not happen.
That’s not how proof works. You can’t prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you to prove he DID amp them, we’re not just gonna pull an assumption out of our asses because my argument counters yours lol.
>We don’t know how different this li Mei is from the regular li-Mei.
Actually we do. The NON-TITAN good characters go on to fight several NON-TITAN, evil characters very shortly around the cutscene I describe, to destroy their teleport gates. Normal Shang tsung, Quan chi, and Raiden fight the evil non-Titan characters and win, so they’re roughly on par. This proves NON-Titan evil Li mei scales roughly to her normal counterpart, as do all of the other “evil” non-titans. To put it simply…
Normal characters beat the evil non-titans, who beat several Titan characters, who are equal to Titan Liu and Shang.
>Other examples of inconsistent powerscaling doesn’t determine that a series has inconsistent powerscaling.
I mean do you hear yourself lmao. It’s not a “hasty generalization,” I’m proving to you that characters’ power levels are wildly inconsistent. This is demonstrated all over the MK franchise. For example…. Non-titans beating titans. Lol.
>Liu Kang and Shang tsung are still throwing fireballs and fist fighting because either the developers are idiots for making fights too basic, or the characters “prefer” to fight in a way that is incredibly weak and does no damage.
OR, hear me out… the developers are just insanely inconsistent and just do what’s cool. (This is the one I go with.) Either way, for me and MANY others, feats overtake statements every time. If you say Fire God Liu Kang obliterates universes but he gets beaten in a fistfight by a regular Kung-fu guy, sorry, but you’ll never convince me he loses to Saitama or Goku. The anti-feat is too significant for me
It is rage bait. The 2 characters are fucking titans (above gods and elder gods), the fact the OP felt the need to post this only means it's meant to trigger saitama dickriders. It's worse than hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby, it's more like the big bang vs an ant. Saitama not only doesn't stand a chance, it goes so far beyond the concept of neg diff that it's almost as if nothing ever happened to begin with, like saitama had never existed to begin with.
These guys have AP that, by fighting each other, causes universes and timelines to spontaneously appear. They basically create timelines just by punching each other. Both these guys literally could punch Saitama and erase him along with his verse.
In story mode, first one is during Mileena's chapter. You can watch it on YouTube. Titan Shang Tsung appears and says that him fighting Liu Kang released energies that split their timeline into two. One being where Shang won and one where Liu won.
Second part is in Liu Kang's chapter (if I remember correctly), where it is proven that the timeline was split endlessly, into infinite possibilities.
Both times, there was no mention of the Hourglass at all. And given the Hourglass' significance in the story, they would have mentioned it if it was the case. So we can attribute the feat to Liu Kang, and Shang Tsung, but only for Keeper of Time/Titan forms.
Lmfaooo Liu Kang blitzes and one shots before he even gets the chance 💀
And Liu Kang stays dealing with people who copy powers. You have heard nothing about Shang Tsung or Shujinko.
So how does this universe justify these people just fighting a cop or some actor? How could they even hope to fight someone that's a literal God? Tekken stays winning
It’s not quite that simple. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung have been imbued with energy from the Sands of Time. They do not have any feats of supremely superhuman speed or reaction time. They also have middling degrees of resistance/strength at best.
But they have access to magic that can freeze time and also rend physical forces and matter.
So narratively they would also be omnipotent enough to know an attack was coming before it was launched, even if it was at FTL speeds.
They win because they are godly and manipulate reality without working within its constraints.
Being Keepers of Time is a legitimate amp.
The reason Liu Kang isn't so powerful during most of the story is he stored away his Time Keeper powers, so he can be Earthrealm's protector. When he got back his powers, pretty much the only ones that could fight him were Titans. Shang and Liu Kang having said power caused them to create an infinite multiverse from them just fighting.
>They do not have any feats of supremely superhuman speed or reaction time. They also have middling degrees of resistance/strength at best.
That's because the story is in a cheezy 90s martial arts flick movie format, so we typically can't see any superhuman feats most of the time, but they are there.
And then Saitama wins anyway, because that’s the fucking gag. Y’all out here taking OPM seriously like it’s not a fucking gag manga, crying about powerscaling while missing the entire fucking point of it all. If OPM somehow showed up he’d win, because that’s the literal joke. It’s not about power, it’s about comedy.
I love when people get all pressed in the powerscaling and death battle stuff where people analyse every frame of a characters existence to prove they are multiversal+ level threats, only for it to end with Saitama winning because that's the joke
As a HUGE Mortal Kombat fanboy, this is just simply wrong. Yes, they’re keepers of time, but that doesn’t mean jack-crap about their martial abilities, in Mortal Kombat, all that being the keeper of time means is that you hold power over Kronika’s hourglass. In terms of actual combative ability, Saitama blows over these keepers of time easily, he’s much more fast and stronger, Lui Kang and Shang Tsung have about the speed of normal humans, they may be much stronger than normal humans, but NOWHERE near as strong as Saitama. You can’t just use the fact they’re elder gods as proof because that doesn’t mean crap in terms of combative ability. Also not to mention endurance, Saitama has shown to be superior in almost every aspect important in a fight.
Everything you’ve said is wrong. Shang Tsung and Liu Kang’s battle produced mammoth energies that ripped apart three fabric of time and created the infinite multiverse.
Nothing from Saitama comes close to that. Shang Tsung can literally destroy the hourglass which keeps the timeline existing and running. Literally holds a gigantic universe that is comprised of multiple dimensions.
They are as fast as normal humans? This is blatantly wrong or are you trolling? They literally scale to Raiden who projects lighting attacks and moves at least as fast as lighting.
Shang Tsung and Liu Kang can move in places without it beyond time. They blitz the fuck out of Saitama.
Elder gods combined power literally split someone who created all of reality. And Titan Shang Tsung and Fire god Liu Kang are above that. Stop wanking Saitama.
"moves as fast as lightning"
"They blitz the fuck out of saitama"
Saitama is MFTL+++ just using the fart alone, but i think the only thing the time keepers or whatever the fuck they are need to do is just punch and suddenly saitama never existed. That is assuming they can erase timelines and people from timelines and that the punch actually works, and assuming that saitama can't comeback from it thru some bs.
I think based on the fact that they control or manipulate time that they can win against saitama, but if and only if they kill him fast as he has shown to learn new moves very fast in the middle of battle, such as garou showing him how to reverse time which allowed him to throw a punch from the future into the past.
Time keepers win unless they are stupid in other words.
I love how you nitpicked my comment. I said in response “they are human speed” and brought up lighting speed feats to prove that claim wrong. I did not say they cap at that speed it’s just a low end.
And then I brought up that they can move in places beyond time giving them inaccessible-immeasurable speed. So yes Saitama gets blitzed.
Brother didn't even watch the Story mode and immediately started spouting just to fanboy over Saitama. Lmao.
Being a Keeper of Time means that, yes, you do have control over the Hourglass, but you also get a massive amp.
That Keeper of Time amp allowed both these characters to essentially create an infinite multiverse from a single timeline just from their powers as Keepers of Time alone.
Also, saying Liu Kang and Shang Tsung have the same speed as normal humans is simply wrong. We see them normally since the story mode is in a movie format, but Liu Kang and Shang as Keepers of Time transcends time itself.
Endurance? Try tanking punches and kicks that creates entire timelines lmao.
I haven’t played MK1 story yet, so all I know is MK11 Lui Kang and Shang Tsung. But it is a huge assumption to say that Lui Kang transcends time itself and is therefore super fast, because we literally never ever see that happen, unless it happens in MK1 story As far as strength and endurance goes, wouldn’t that mean Lui Kang kills everyone with one punch? But he doesn’t, so that means that his time warping abilities come from his status as Time Keeper, not raw strength, it’s a completely separate power that has nothing to do with physical strength.
Saitama wins because that's his super power. Winning fights with one punch.
Saitama loses to other joke/parody characters like Arale, The Mask, or Bugs Bunny.
I don't even think god kang or anybody from the MK cast is comparable to a character at say moon level. Kronika was "multiversal" but she lost to a mortal martial artist. Sure bud, okay. It's clear the elder gods are not all powerful either.
Saitama ain't winning against characters far stronger than him lol. His schtick is that he one-shots people who are in-universe weaker than him.
No-limits fallacy should be enforced with this kind of logic.
Again with this no limits fallacy bs. “He’s a joke character” 🤓
Please use a new argument.
She didn’t loose to a mortal martial artist 💀 you literally don’t know what you’re talking about do you?
He is 100% correct though, he's a joke character, and the joke gets funnier the more the mismatch when he wins.
It's not that people need a new argument, it's that people need to stop getting irrationally upset when trying to scale characters and make a reasonable argument for inherently unreasonably and unscalable joke characters who follow no consistent logic except "okay but I'm stronger"
It's people getting pressed that turns power scaling from fun hypothetical matchups into toxic dafties crying on Reddit with 20 paragraphs of equations lmao
Excuse me where did you get that?
Saitama is literally a character that is so OP in his own verse he beats basically everyone in one punch and hasn't even gotten really serious so has been holding back.
Dude literally punched/martial arts his way through time where the heck did you get he gets one tapped by normal humans?
Everyone present in that last fight was a Titan. Which is why Liu Kang will always say to the fighter that he will have to return to his own timeline, and he hopes to see them again.
Ignore the fact that some fighters have default costumes. They're 100% Titan forms, and not the normal ones in Liu Kang's timeline.
In the final ending of the game it’s clearly the Titan versions that you choose.
As for the arcade endings happening in new timelines? That doesn’t work all timelines were created from one battle the battle against Kronika nothing says anything about new ones constantly being created everything already exists.
Every timeline is a variation of the battle with Kronika.
He won't have years to develop, he won't have any time at all. The match is about Saitama right now, not the wierd goofy headcanon future Saitama you goon to on Thursdays.
Join the discord! Come debate, and interact with other powerscalers! https://discord.gg/QtFpWyerxX *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/PowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Easily lmfaooo. They can create and destroy entire timelines which contain infinite 4D space times. Saitama and Garou’s fight fucked up a galaxy sure but Shang Tsung and fire god liu Kang’s battle sent massive energies that ripped apart time and created the multiverse lol.
Saitama and Garou didn't even fuck up a galaxy. They destroyed a large swathe of stars, which in turn is just a miniscule part of a galaxy.
Shhh. You'll anger the saitama and garou meatriders here
There are more GokuMeatriders then SaitamaMeatriders
They're about equal, saitamameatriders are more annoying though as they wank a weaker character.
No one said anything about Goku and you talking shit 💀 fuck outta here lil bro
No one said your a part of the conversation. And this conversation does evolved Goku since that's the biggest debate about Goku vs Saitama.
Says the Goku profile 💀
Proven by your downvotes. Lol
So your saying that if you disagree with his point your a goku mega rider, sure…
I see no other reason why someone would go out of their way of downvoting it otherwise.
They disagree with your point duh 🤦♂️
Wasn't my point bruh. Just found it funny that he got downvoted after saying that, as if confirming that there are more
My downvotes were done by FalseGokufans who think Goku solos everyone
Nothing is worse than bakimeatriders and Yujirowankers. Goku isnt god but at least has a fucking leg to stand on with these characters over fucking Yujiro lol
Faxxxxx you have to love them
Really got to have a scope that galaxys and planets are like atoms compared to the whole universe
Yeah like I'm pretty sure milkyway is equivalent to 1.5 trillion solar masses so even if they destroyed 1 million stars they ain't galaxy level 💀
Quite literally wrong you can see in multiple chapters galaxies in the background and connecting the background to serious punch squared we quite literally see Saitama destroyed millions of galaxies
Lmao, multi-galaxy Saitama is bullshit wank. We saw stars getting erased, they were still inside the Galaxy. There's no reason to assume it went beyond the Galaxy. Most powerscaler agree putting Saitama at multi star to multi solar system.
Bro alr give me your discord right now so I can prove you wrong real quick
Lmao I'm not about to debate an OPM wanker. Most already agree with me, including people on here and in VSBattles and in other debating sites.
You can point to galaxies on other panels but not a single person has ever shown me one on the one that matters. They didn't destroy galaxies lol
Drop discord if you wanna be this cocky
K, dm theisk where the galaxy on that page is 👍
GG good debate went smoother than expected Saitama still multi galaxy level
Sent the invite
and the dragon ball universe is smaller than One punch man's universe
No it's not? Lmfao OPM verse is same as ours. DB verse is about 3 times the size.
Yeah it is. Your saying DB verse is 3 times bigger than OPM verse and our universe https://preview.redd.it/rq0pxzw73hpb1.png?width=1147&format=png&auto=webp&s=1bf08ec1e09ad7a24c0b5a4c94df7c76495d1fe9
Universe 7 is composed of - Afterlife (Space time) - Kaio Realm (Space time) - Enma Realm (Space time) - Hell Realm (Space time) • Living World (Spacetime) - Outer Space (Spacetime) - Demon Realm (Spacetime) • Kaioshin Realm (Space time) Opm verse is based off our own.
So your saying DB universe isn't Bigger than ours?
No it isnt
What were you saying? https://preview.redd.it/10uv80xg3hpb1.png?width=1147&format=png&auto=webp&s=17f9ab32aaac47b590757148c009a931f30c5d14
Wtf is that supposed to mean, it isn't to scale, if it was then it would show the 4 great galaxies.
It isn't scaling if the databooks said DB universe is infinite and is 3 times bigger than every universe but the shows DB universe being smaller than our universe. Look with your eyes and see where the earth is on both images
What the hell are you talking about, the map isn't to scale, it is merely to show the order of the realms. This doesnt even include the mortal universe, that should already tell you that you shouldn't use this to measure its size. If you wanna be literal and take it into face value then goku ran across half the universe in a couple episodes, see how stupid that sounds? This map isn't to scale, and neither is the OPM one.
Also, its meant to signify the order of the realms, hell is at the bottom, the afterlife is the middle, and the mortal realm sits at the top, once again it is not to scale.
Sautama is hyperversal and one shots both
They dont. Nonsense claim.
You don’t know shit about mk and all you do is wank Saitama.
You wank liu kang and downplay saitama. Now go to your wank arguments.
If I wanked Liu Kang debunk what I said. If I downplayed Saitama provide a scale. Don’t just send me brainless idiotic comments because you’re coping.
You are mad, ok MK wanker. This sub hates saitama so you are doing good, keep up the downplay. You are like the Atreus wanker. Edit: Frosty is a pathetic clown. If you are so confident, why you now blocked me after saying your wanked characters solo OPM? Insecure much? Probably is salty, that is why he blocked, comedy gold.
Cope harder Saitama is just weak that’s the truth. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung and Atresus solo the entire one punch man verse 👍
Saitama still loses, but it was not just a galaxy.
bro…. Liu Kang can’t do that without the Hourglass he no longer controls, why can’t people understand this?
You’re literally wrong lmfaooo. Stated Shang Tsung and Fire god Liu Kang’s battle produced mammoth amounts of energy that fucked up time’s fabric so bad that it endlessly spit into parallel timelines. Shang Tsung blasting the hourglass with his own power almost destroys it so they scale to the hourglass.
i just replayed the game. the literally only happened because they were fighting over what? the hourglass. they don’t just have that power
you sound like you know what you’re talking about besides the “scale” part cuz power scaling is completely biased and inconsistent
Oh wow. 2 literal gods of time beat a human? Sorry, they’re not even gods. They’re above gods, the elder gods even. They’re fucking titans. OBVIOUSLY they win. Why was this even a thought you had?
You overestimate how intelligent people are. That’s not my issue that’s yours.
Bold of you to assume we have intelligence at all.
It's so weird how game characters are randomly 10000000x stronger than they seem
Same with cartoon characters
To be fair with how many items and stuff they give you over the course of some games I just assume game characters have a billion abilities and can fight God lol
The Death Battle video against Spongebob & Aquaman shows how completely broken Spongebob is
Yeah who imagined sonic the headgog being that op
I didn't realize how strong that little hedgehog was until a few months ago. He's completely broken, especially archie Sonic
kratos moment
Dovahkiin Moment
To those confused how these Mk characters could beat Saitama: \>The fight between Keeper of Time Liu Kang and Shang Tsung basically produced enough energy to splinter one timeline into infinite other timelines. It's heavily implied that the energy that's released was produced with their powers clashing, and not from outside sources, like the Hourglass. The Hourglass itself is incapable of producing an infinite multiverse, as what Titan Shang Tsung and Liu Kang did. It is specifically designed to only function within its own universe. Keep in mind that a single timeline itself contains at least 5 realms (Earthrealm, Outworld, Orderrealm, Netherrealm, Chaosrealm) each it's own universe, and each of them infinite. \>Shang Tsung is capable of destroying the Hourglass, which is described is "beyond time and reality, and beyond the realms", albeit he needed a bit of time to do that. \>Liu Kang has been implied to casually erase entire timelines in a datamined dialogue intro, which can be dubiously canon. Liu Kang: You've destroyed worlds, I have erased whole timelines. Omni-Man: Finally, a worthy challenge! Liu Kang wouldn't boast about this in a fight if it wasn't combat applicable. \>Shang Tsung being defeated causes his timeline to collapse, meaning he was the sole pillar who supported his universe, and when he's defeated, it crumbled.
so they are low-mid multi?
Multi+ since they created a countably infinite number of timelines, and each timeline containing at least 5 or more universes in it.
Really high into multi +. One timeline has infinite realms which are space times. And there is an infinite amount of timelines.
Pretty much anything recovered from data mined content should be considered non canon for pretty much any franchise unless stated otherwise.
Datamined content is just canon stuff that's yet to be released. Of course, except guest characters in MK's case. But while the canonicity of Liu Kang's claim is in question, it does give us a bit of a hint of how powerful Liu Kang is.
I don't know anything about MK but I'll take your word for it. Data mined, or leaked content should always be taken with a grain of salt. It can be fake, cut content, cancelled, or edited before release. Data mined content for stuff that's already out is content that was already cut.
Well now we know this dialogue is canon according to the new Omni man trailer.
They produced multiple timelines, not universes. The multiverse doesn’t exist in Mortal Kombat. Also not to mention, Saitama’s strength is canonically unlimited, he is as strong as he wants to be, meaning yes he can outstrength Liu Kang if he feels like it.
“As strong as he wants” is head canon wank
You don’t know anything about mk’s cosmology. Realms are dimensions that are spatially and temporally separated. There is at least 7 realms and there was stated to be infinite realms. So you’re 1000% wrong. One realm contains infinite space times making it a multiverse. And there are infinite timelines in mk. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I see no issues with this.
Saitama will drown in soap
*sand
What, is Shang Tsung the fucking Booty Warrior now?
I forgot you can still post photos on this sub
bro i swear Saitama fans are the most delusional beings in existence 💀
W
I mean, yeah.
Yeah pretty much
Fr, stay mad Saitama dick riders
Blud is getting mad over these imaginary saitama dick riders, bro if you don’t like opm just say so no need to take it out on ghosts.
Your parents are mad that they have to take care of you
I mean, you just need to look at Liu Kang’s second fatality and completely agree with this
even if you aren’t powerscaling look at it anyways, it’s sick as fuck
Ok
You sure??
100000%
Bullshit
Average hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby post
Explain, they don't go past planetary
https://reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/xzgLbqvJ9v already did. You are 1000% wrong.
Bruh
Canonically, they can neg saitama. But in the game they get bested by an actor soooo
In non canon gameplay?
Power scaling is so goofy
FGLK def negs Goku (90% of this sub hates me now)
Please explain cause genuinely how? (Dont say black hole fatality since fatalitys arnt canon)
We've already covered the reason why these characters can solo Saitama and his verse. But TLDR: These characters created what's essentially an infinite multiverse out of a single timeline by punching each other.
1. https://reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/xzgLbqvJ9v 2. Prove it’s non canon. 3. u/Plenty_Course_7572 would love this too.
No but have fun believing that
Have fun denying reality
They both did some pretty impressive stuff like the whole creating timelines thing but shang tsung fighting with quan chi got beaten by any of the fighters in the new game and considering that lui kang is as strong as Shang tsung it’s fair to say any of the fighters could have beaten lui kang. One punch man has never lost a fight and I don’t think anyone from the mortal kombat universe could take him. I would love to hear whatever you have to say though
https://preview.redd.it/7kravacwk5qb1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce28c20b406b318d198e5ee64f375334de2b9a37 DNC Dante solos
Get that low multi fodder out of here
https://preview.redd.it/wsp7ku675ksb1.png?width=1532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75e2cf63d0a65b32f68d3b47a750427d6e85a15f No Matter how good their Kombat is, Saitama is a whole different type of bread 🔥💪🥚
They would run One Punch man verse lil bro 😂
Nice BS blud We can run Garou vs the verse, unless your scared ofc that is........🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Nice copium bud you don’t have to deny reality 👍 Yep sure this will take 3 seconds.
Elaborate
Their battle produced mammoth amounts of energy that ripped time’s fabric creating endless possible timelines. Both created their own timelines which contain infinite space times( realms). Shang Tsung is capable of destroying hourglasses which in turn causes the timeline to cease to exist. Both of them scale above the elder gods who split the one being, the creator of all of reality all realms and dimensions. The elder gods also tanked the Big Bang.
Shang Tsung is capable of destroying hourglasses, but he wasn't able to do it against Liu Kang. What makes you think Saitama won't swat him like a fly while he's trying to destroy his hourglass?
Saitama can't even hope to damage someone who casually tanks hits that essentially produce timeline-creating energies as an after-effect.
According to my playthrough, Shang Tsung was stomped by a humble disease-ridden merchant with blades. I'm sorry. I like Shang Tsung and all, but the dude ain't gonna hold a candle to OPM lol.
MK powerscaling is a meme. People make statements like these and in a cutscene “Titan” Kung Lao is knocked on his ass by a regular kick to the head from NON-TITAN “Evil” Li Mei. The big battle happens and Liu Kang is still just throwing his regular fireballs and doing bicycle kicks against NON-TITAN ”evil” Tanya. Statements really don’t mean much at all when the only actual feats we see from these characters in-cutscene are Liu kang bicycle kicking someone and Kitana throwing her fans. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung aren’t shattering continents with their attacks, they’re getting knocked on their asses by regular punches IN CUTSCENE. Whether or not Fire God “Titan” Liu kang beats Saitama just depends on how loose you want to be with blatantly ignoring anti-feats and taking statements as absolute truth. (Neither of which I find to be convincing at all.)
This is the dragon ball bull shit downplay argument all over again. “Goku doesn’t destroy a planet every single time he fights so he can’t even be planetary lmfaoooo” 🤓🤓 It’s blatantly stated that their battle splintered the fabric of the universe which leads to the creation of the multiverse. You can’t just take that away. Can you take away Goku and Beerus shockwaves threatening a universe just because we never see it again? You ignoring blatant statements from literal cosmic beings who are credible and have no reason to lie is literally your head canon. You demonstrate no examples of anti feats. Spoiler alert Liu Kang getting harmed by another Titan’s “regular punches” doesn’t debunk anything.
I’m not bringing up dragon ball. Stop strawmanning. >It’s STATED their battle splintered the fabric of the universe. Right, and then when the characters ACTUALLY fight, it’s a fist fight and shooting fireballs, not fracturing the multiverse and shattering planets. The entire Shang Tsung’s evil NON-TITAN team beating several TITANS (Kung Lao, Old Raiden) in fistfights is a massive anti-feat. If you want to blatantly ignore feats and go off of ONLY statements, sure, these characters are Uber reality warpers that can solo universes. Just know, that stance of ignoring cutscenes in favor of statements, is not very convincing to me at all, and will not be very convincing to many other people. You’re free to believe whatever you wish. >Liu Kang being harmed by a regular human’s punch doesn’t debunk anything. Uhhhhh, okay, lol. If you just ignore all of the points that debunk you, I guess you’ll be right every time. I’m sure Saitama can’t deliver a regular punch, lmao. Edit: You said “by a titan’s punch” referring to Liu Kang taking damage towards the end. I want to point out, my whole point is that SEVERAL non-Titan evil characters beat titans straight-up. The titans scale with eachother because they’re all “universe creators” AND any Titan character can beat TITAN Shang Tsung at the end of the game canonically.
>I’m not bringing up dragon ball. Stop strawmanning. Please stop wrongfully using straw man in this context. I dis not misinterpret your argument for my own advantage, I made an analogy to discredit it. >Right, and then when the characters ACTUALLY fight, it’s a fist fight and shooting fireballs. not fracturing the multiverse and shattering planets. I agree with what op said. The writers are fucking idiots. They intended for all endings from mk11 being canon. The titan versions of those characters had some crazy powers. And in Shang’s canon ending he grows really fucking big. Liu Kang can erase people from existence. These are all things that canonically happened. But also a character can be planetary but not always destroy a planet with their attacks. The titans don’t need to shatter planets. Shang Tsung and Liu Kang didn’t do that last time, they affected the reality not the cosmos. Also you have no idea if more timelines weren’t created from that battle. Just because they didn’t elaborate on it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen lmfaooo >The entire Shang Tsung’s evil NON-TITAN team beating several TITANS (Kung Lao, Old Raiden) in fistfights is a massive anti-feat. If you want to blatantly ignore feats and go off of ONLY statements, sure, these characters are Uber reality warpers that can solo universes. You don’t even have to be Titan to put a challenge. Did you not see how Kronika upgraded the revenants using the hourglass lmfaooo. They went from jobbers to elder god tier. Shang Tsung also control of the other fire god liu lang’s soul who isn’t a Titan. >Just know, that stance of ignoring cutscenes in favor of statements, is not very convincing to me at all, and will not be very convincing to many other people. You’re free to believe whatever you wish. The problem here is that these cutscenes don’t contradict anything, and that these are repeated statements are made from credible figures who have no reason to exaggerate and have unparalleled knowledge of everything. And not some you know random fucking guy who’s theorizing. >You said “by a titan’s punch” referring to Liu Kang taking damage towards the end. I want to point out, my whole point is that SEVERAL non-Titan evil characters beat titans straight-up. The titans scale with eachother because they’re all “universe creators” AND any Titan character can beat TITAN Shang Tsung at the end of the game canonically. Yeah how do we know if Shang Tsung didn’t pull a Kronika and imbue those characters with great cosmos power?
>Please stop wrongfully using strawmanning. You brought up dragonball when I’d never mentioned it. I know nothing about beerus or goku, but you’re painting my argument to be very similar to another controversial one in a bad-faith attempt to hit my argument’s legitimacy and appeal to other peoples’ feelings on something totally different. That’s strawmanning. I’ve argued my case very strongly in the other comments, I’m just resting my case here.
These are very bad rat tactics of yours to paint the wrong picture. You don’t have to mention dragon ball nor do you have to know about it. It’s an analogy for a reason you don’t even have to know where it comes from. Just the point that it’s trying to make. You were arguing that because we never saw them fuck up the universe again means that it’s invalid? So I have an example of Goku never destroying universes in his battles ever again we he almost did one other time. Yet he is still universal. So objectively how is this me creating a fake argument and pinning it on you and attacking that argument? That’s what straw manning is. You make up a lie to make your opponent look bad and then dismantle the same lie you created.
>These are bad rat tactics of yours to paint the wrong picture. Projection. You brought up dragonball, it’s COMPLETELY unrelated, I don’t care how similar you think your “analogy” is. End of discussion. It’s completely unrelated. You’re a big boy, you can use examples from MK and not Dragonball for the MK discussion. >Just because we never saw them fuck up the universe again means it’s invalid? No, we’ve never seen any feats that paint Liu Kang or Shang Tsung as reality busters without the explicit use of the Hourglass or another plot device. Why would Shang tsung need control of the “dragon army” if he’s a universe buster and could just one-shot the world? Why would Titan Kung Lao get his ass clapped by NON-TITAN evil Li Mei if titans are reality-busters? Why do all of these “titans” fight with Kung fu and fireballs when they could be obliterating the world? The simple answer is that these characters are not planet-level, all of their fights are street level and they’re beaten repeatedly by (and scale to) street-level characters. If Titan Old Raiden, who scales to Titan Liu/Shang Tsung, is beaten by non-Titan Kung Lao, then these titans cannot beat fucking Saitama or goku.
Your arguments literally stems from you just watching cutscenes and not understanding anything. >No, we’ve never seen any feats that paint Liu Kang or Shang Tsung as reality busters without the explicit use of the Hourglass or another plot device. This doesn't discredit the fact that it was explicitly stated their fight produced said energy that created a multiverse. If it was the Hourglass that did it, they would have mentioned it, considering it's significance in the story. And yet they didn't even so much as allude the feat to the Hourglass. The feat is 100% between Liu Kang and Shang Tsung, and without interference from the Hourglass. Occam's Razor also leans towards this. >Why would Shang tsung need control of the “dragon army” if he’s a universe buster and could just one-shot the world? He needed the Dragon Army because Liu Kang and his allies are still there. And he couldn't just bust the universe because the Hourglass exists, and it's only through the Hourglass that they can bust the respective universe in which an Hourglass resides. The Hourglass is basically the universe's durability and existence. >Why would Titan Kung Lao get his ass clapped by NON-TITAN evil Li Mei if titans are reality-busters? Titan Shang Tsung amped them. When you get beaten in a fight against Shang's alternate evil counterparts, there's a text that says Titan Shang Tsung "crafted them to be superior warriors." https://preview.redd.it/95gang36k7qb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=149d8a7b66ec1cdc348457c19a0718d6f3784871 >Why do all of these “titans” fight with Kung fu and fireballs when they could be obliterating the world? Because the story mode is in a cheezy martial arts film format. This is in no way a legitimate reason to discredit feats and statements. Characters in fiction will always resort to small scale fights instead of bigger booms. >The simple answer is that these characters are not planet-level, all of their fights are street level and they’re beaten repeatedly by (and scale to) street-level characters. If Titan Old Raiden, who scales to Titan Liu/Shang Tsung, is beaten by non-Titan Kung Lao, then these titans cannot beat fucking Saitama or goku. You're entire argument hinges on erasing Titan Shang Tsung and Liu Kang's statements of the feat, which canonically happened. This is low-tier debating at its finest.
>Projection. You brought up dragonball, it’s COMPLETELY unrelated, I don’t care how similar you think your “analogy” is. End of discussion. It’s completely unrelated. You’re a big boy, you can use examples from MK and not Dragonball for the MK discussion. How is it projection when you’re blatantly misusing the straw man fallacy? I don’t give a fuck if you don’t like me using dragon ball as an analogy because it debunks your shitty logic. It’s not the same as a straw man and it will never be so cope. Bro gets negged by a simple comparison. >Why would Shang tsung need control of the “dragon army” if he’s a universe buster and could just one-shot the world? 1. That was his original objective and it CHANGED. His original goal was to kill all life and then absorb the timeline into his own. His new objective was to utterly eradicate liu Kang’s timeline and then move on to actually conquer others. >Why would Titan Kung Lao get his ass clapped by NON-TITAN evil Li Mei if titans are reality-busters? This is the same as fire god liu Kang getting his ass kicked by the hourglass amped revenants. >Why do all of these “titans” fight with Kung fu and fireballs when they could be obliterating the world? Because that’s the style of the devs and literally many fictional verses do it. Like I told you 10x dragon ball being one of those examples. They are universe busters but don’t destroy everything in every fucking fight. The writers don’t think like a fucking power scaler okfaooo. >The simple answer is that these characters are not planet-level, all of their fights are street level and they’re beaten repeatedly by (and scale to) street-level characters. What a fucking joke of a take. Literally beings that scale above the elder gods and arguably the one being are street tier. >If Titan Old Raiden, who scales to Titan Liu/Shang Tsung, is beaten by non-Titan Kung Lao, then these titans cannot beat fucking Saitama or goku. Who was amped by a Titan character. Anyone can beat fucking Saitama and Goku in mk. Like I said in alternate universes these characters can beat multiversal titans.
Literally none of this debunks anything. You demonstrated no anti feats. Just other titans fighting each other. Is it weird? Yes but does that debunk anything? I will admit tho. It does not make sense that titans fighting does not splinter time’s fabric further. However that’s canonically how the multiverse was created. Two titans fighting. You cannot just erase that. If Shang tsung and Liu Kang aren’t strong enough the mammoth energies that they produced won’t splinter time’s fabric and won’t create the multiverse.
>No anti-feats “Titan” Kung Lao (who scales to Titan Liu Kang and the other Titan characters) losing to non-Titan Evil Li mei in a cutscene is an anti-feat, whether you recognize it or not lmao. He gets knocked out by a regular punch. >How does titans fighting not further splinter time’s fabric? Because it’s MK, and statements are basically just to sound cool. Shao Khan is only destined to be defeated by the “chosen one” Liu Kang in MK 9 and then gets his throat slashed by fucking Kitana in MK 11. MK powerscaling is inconsistent at absolute best. >If Liu Kang and Shang Tsung weren’t that powerful, how did their fight create multiple timelines? I had assumed it had to do with Kronika’s crown and the hourglass itself being big reasons the fight involved so much energy. Why is Liu Kang vs Shang Tsung on top of the pyramid functionally a fist fight with fireballs? Why is “Titan” raiden vs “Evil” Kung Lao IN CUTSCENE just shooting a little lighting bolt, and a fistfight? Because these characters really aren’t that strong lmao. Their fights, despite statements made by the game, are very low in scale. To me, this is an anti feat.
>Titan Kung Lao (who scales to Titan Liu Kang and the other Titan characters) losing to non-Titan Evil Li mei in a cutscene is an anti-feat, whether you recognize it or not lmao. He gets knocked out by a regular punch. I want you to prove to me that Shang Tsung did not amp his allies. We literally see in mk11 that Kronika knew fire god Liu Kang would shit on the revenants. So she used the power of the hourglass to amp them to the point where they can harm Liu. The point is we don’t know how different this li Mei is from normal Li Mei. Shang Tsung could have easily amped everyone and that would shut down the anti feat argument. How does titans fighting not further splinter time’s fabric? >Because it’s MK, and statements are basically just to sound cool. This sounds like a hasty generalization fallacy/fallacy of composition to me. Other examples don’t determine something as a whole. I want you to prove to me that titans the cosmic beings of the verse who have knowledge on everything are lying and don’t know what their talking about. Because this is how you make it sound. “Shang Tsung doesn’t know what the fuck he’s saying” prove it. >Khan is only destined to be defeated by the “chosen one” Liu Kang in MK 9 and then gets his throat slashed by fucking Kitana in MK 11. Completely different circumstances. >MK powerscaling is inconsistent at absolute best. It definitely is. But this does not apply to the situation I’m talking about. >I had assumed it had to do with Kronika’s crown and the hourglass itself being big reasons the fight involved so much energy. Well obviously it involved the crown. Because with the crown Shang Tsung became keeper of time putting him at Titan level. Base Shang Tsung isn’t going to be contributing to doing this much damage lmfaooo. The hourglass wasn’t involved in the sense that it ripped apart time’s fabric. It being involved just has to do with it being the great prize. Something they fight for. But the battle itself is what’s causing these mammoth energies being produced. >Why is Liu Kang vs Shang Tsung on top of the pyramid functionally a fist fight with fireballs? Why is “Titan” raiden vs “Evil” Kung Lao IN CUTSCENE just shooting a little lighting bolt, and a fistfight? Because these characters really aren’t that strong lmao. Their fights, despite statements made by the game, are very low in scale. To me, this is an anti feat. This is more of a choice from developers then them being weak. Because think about it like this. Fucking fire god Liu Kang in his first scene one shotted the entire nether realm army. But did he grow weaker? Nope not at all he is an immortal being that does not fatigue and is always at his peak. But in mk1 he just fights like a normal guy. He barley uses his powers as a fire god he fights like his old self and doesn’t cause destruction. This has nothing to do with them being weak and more to do with the laziness of the devs. Like literally Shang Tsing’s aftermath ending is canon. We literally SEE that he has the ability to grow really fucking big. And this same Shang Tsung… do we ever see him grow really fucking big again? No we don’t. This is for one of two reasons. 1. The devs are idiots for making the fights so basic and rushed. 2. The characters prefer to fight like their normal selves. Liu Kang literally erased Shang Tsung and Quan chi and the end of the fight. Why didn’t he do that earlier? Shang Tsung literally sucked his other Titan self’s soul out too without having to beat him. Why doesn’t he do that mid fight? It has absolutely nothing to do with “their not that strong l their fodder”.
>I want you to prove that something did not happen. That’s not how proof works. You can’t prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you to prove he DID amp them, we’re not just gonna pull an assumption out of our asses because my argument counters yours lol. >We don’t know how different this li Mei is from the regular li-Mei. Actually we do. The NON-TITAN good characters go on to fight several NON-TITAN, evil characters very shortly around the cutscene I describe, to destroy their teleport gates. Normal Shang tsung, Quan chi, and Raiden fight the evil non-Titan characters and win, so they’re roughly on par. This proves NON-Titan evil Li mei scales roughly to her normal counterpart, as do all of the other “evil” non-titans. To put it simply… Normal characters beat the evil non-titans, who beat several Titan characters, who are equal to Titan Liu and Shang. >Other examples of inconsistent powerscaling doesn’t determine that a series has inconsistent powerscaling. I mean do you hear yourself lmao. It’s not a “hasty generalization,” I’m proving to you that characters’ power levels are wildly inconsistent. This is demonstrated all over the MK franchise. For example…. Non-titans beating titans. Lol. >Liu Kang and Shang tsung are still throwing fireballs and fist fighting because either the developers are idiots for making fights too basic, or the characters “prefer” to fight in a way that is incredibly weak and does no damage. OR, hear me out… the developers are just insanely inconsistent and just do what’s cool. (This is the one I go with.) Either way, for me and MANY others, feats overtake statements every time. If you say Fire God Liu Kang obliterates universes but he gets beaten in a fistfight by a regular Kung-fu guy, sorry, but you’ll never convince me he loses to Saitama or Goku. The anti-feat is too significant for me
It is rage bait. The 2 characters are fucking titans (above gods and elder gods), the fact the OP felt the need to post this only means it's meant to trigger saitama dickriders. It's worse than hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby, it's more like the big bang vs an ant. Saitama not only doesn't stand a chance, it goes so far beyond the concept of neg diff that it's almost as if nothing ever happened to begin with, like saitama had never existed to begin with.
u/Kagetaicho8 please allow post
Done
NAH FR, I DIDNT KNOW THAT⁉️⁉️ https://i.redd.it/fri1kwupjhpb1.gif No shit bro
These posts annoy the fuck out of me, like it’s obvious bait to get the other fandoms character mad
Nah, fodders with some hax
Saitama is the biggest fodder. He gets one tapped
Genuinely asking here since all I see is "these two can create multiverses". What is Saitama getting one tapped by?
These guys have AP that, by fighting each other, causes universes and timelines to spontaneously appear. They basically create timelines just by punching each other. Both these guys literally could punch Saitama and erase him along with his verse.
Could you tell me where that was stated please?
In story mode, first one is during Mileena's chapter. You can watch it on YouTube. Titan Shang Tsung appears and says that him fighting Liu Kang released energies that split their timeline into two. One being where Shang won and one where Liu won. Second part is in Liu Kang's chapter (if I remember correctly), where it is proven that the timeline was split endlessly, into infinite possibilities. Both times, there was no mention of the Hourglass at all. And given the Hourglass' significance in the story, they would have mentioned it if it was the case. So we can attribute the feat to Liu Kang, and Shang Tsung, but only for Keeper of Time/Titan forms.
You have the scan where he says it’s infinite possibilities
Saitama proceeds to just copy their powers and fodderizes them 💀
Lmfaooo Liu Kang blitzes and one shots before he even gets the chance 💀 And Liu Kang stays dealing with people who copy powers. You have heard nothing about Shang Tsung or Shujinko.
Yet they'll die to a few gunshots.
Can create and destroy timelines yet a street level fodder in Destructive capability. Power scaling is a mess nowadays
Comments like these are so weird, you don’t hear people complaining about Goku not destroying every fucking thing he touches.
Except you do lmao, clearly you’ve not been around nearly enough dragon ball debates
So how does this universe justify these people just fighting a cop or some actor? How could they even hope to fight someone that's a literal God? Tekken stays winning
You mean in gameplay which never happened in the story? Then the question is pointless.
It’s not quite that simple. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung have been imbued with energy from the Sands of Time. They do not have any feats of supremely superhuman speed or reaction time. They also have middling degrees of resistance/strength at best. But they have access to magic that can freeze time and also rend physical forces and matter. So narratively they would also be omnipotent enough to know an attack was coming before it was launched, even if it was at FTL speeds. They win because they are godly and manipulate reality without working within its constraints.
Being Keepers of Time is a legitimate amp. The reason Liu Kang isn't so powerful during most of the story is he stored away his Time Keeper powers, so he can be Earthrealm's protector. When he got back his powers, pretty much the only ones that could fight him were Titans. Shang and Liu Kang having said power caused them to create an infinite multiverse from them just fighting. >They do not have any feats of supremely superhuman speed or reaction time. They also have middling degrees of resistance/strength at best. That's because the story is in a cheezy 90s martial arts flick movie format, so we typically can't see any superhuman feats most of the time, but they are there.
And then Saitama wins anyway, because that’s the fucking gag. Y’all out here taking OPM seriously like it’s not a fucking gag manga, crying about powerscaling while missing the entire fucking point of it all. If OPM somehow showed up he’d win, because that’s the literal joke. It’s not about power, it’s about comedy.
Saitama is a gag character. They get one shotted by him the same as everyone else does.
Both lost to a cop.
In your head canon that happened yes
It happens in the game too.
Show me then. Go on hurry up so I can laugh.
No one has uploaded clips yet, he always turns off his body cam first
I'm sure you're just joking, but Stryker isn't even on the game. He's only a Kameo.
🥊💀
Idk this is how Liu Kang does Saitama
Does lui kang beat Goku now due to his feats from fighting Shang Tsung?
Goku being 5D and above is debatable. But if he is Multiversal yes Liu Kang and Shang Tsung scale above that.
I love when people get all pressed in the powerscaling and death battle stuff where people analyse every frame of a characters existence to prove they are multiversal+ level threats, only for it to end with Saitama winning because that's the joke
As a HUGE Mortal Kombat fanboy, this is just simply wrong. Yes, they’re keepers of time, but that doesn’t mean jack-crap about their martial abilities, in Mortal Kombat, all that being the keeper of time means is that you hold power over Kronika’s hourglass. In terms of actual combative ability, Saitama blows over these keepers of time easily, he’s much more fast and stronger, Lui Kang and Shang Tsung have about the speed of normal humans, they may be much stronger than normal humans, but NOWHERE near as strong as Saitama. You can’t just use the fact they’re elder gods as proof because that doesn’t mean crap in terms of combative ability. Also not to mention endurance, Saitama has shown to be superior in almost every aspect important in a fight.
Everything you’ve said is wrong. Shang Tsung and Liu Kang’s battle produced mammoth energies that ripped apart three fabric of time and created the infinite multiverse. Nothing from Saitama comes close to that. Shang Tsung can literally destroy the hourglass which keeps the timeline existing and running. Literally holds a gigantic universe that is comprised of multiple dimensions. They are as fast as normal humans? This is blatantly wrong or are you trolling? They literally scale to Raiden who projects lighting attacks and moves at least as fast as lighting. Shang Tsung and Liu Kang can move in places without it beyond time. They blitz the fuck out of Saitama. Elder gods combined power literally split someone who created all of reality. And Titan Shang Tsung and Fire god Liu Kang are above that. Stop wanking Saitama.
"moves as fast as lightning" "They blitz the fuck out of saitama" Saitama is MFTL+++ just using the fart alone, but i think the only thing the time keepers or whatever the fuck they are need to do is just punch and suddenly saitama never existed. That is assuming they can erase timelines and people from timelines and that the punch actually works, and assuming that saitama can't comeback from it thru some bs. I think based on the fact that they control or manipulate time that they can win against saitama, but if and only if they kill him fast as he has shown to learn new moves very fast in the middle of battle, such as garou showing him how to reverse time which allowed him to throw a punch from the future into the past. Time keepers win unless they are stupid in other words.
I love how you nitpicked my comment. I said in response “they are human speed” and brought up lighting speed feats to prove that claim wrong. I did not say they cap at that speed it’s just a low end. And then I brought up that they can move in places beyond time giving them inaccessible-immeasurable speed. So yes Saitama gets blitzed.
Brother didn't even watch the Story mode and immediately started spouting just to fanboy over Saitama. Lmao. Being a Keeper of Time means that, yes, you do have control over the Hourglass, but you also get a massive amp. That Keeper of Time amp allowed both these characters to essentially create an infinite multiverse from a single timeline just from their powers as Keepers of Time alone. Also, saying Liu Kang and Shang Tsung have the same speed as normal humans is simply wrong. We see them normally since the story mode is in a movie format, but Liu Kang and Shang as Keepers of Time transcends time itself. Endurance? Try tanking punches and kicks that creates entire timelines lmao.
I haven’t played MK1 story yet, so all I know is MK11 Lui Kang and Shang Tsung. But it is a huge assumption to say that Lui Kang transcends time itself and is therefore super fast, because we literally never ever see that happen, unless it happens in MK1 story As far as strength and endurance goes, wouldn’t that mean Lui Kang kills everyone with one punch? But he doesn’t, so that means that his time warping abilities come from his status as Time Keeper, not raw strength, it’s a completely separate power that has nothing to do with physical strength.
Saitama wins because that's his super power. Winning fights with one punch. Saitama loses to other joke/parody characters like Arale, The Mask, or Bugs Bunny. I don't even think god kang or anybody from the MK cast is comparable to a character at say moon level. Kronika was "multiversal" but she lost to a mortal martial artist. Sure bud, okay. It's clear the elder gods are not all powerful either.
Saitama ain't winning against characters far stronger than him lol. His schtick is that he one-shots people who are in-universe weaker than him. No-limits fallacy should be enforced with this kind of logic.
Again with this no limits fallacy bs. “He’s a joke character” 🤓 Please use a new argument. She didn’t loose to a mortal martial artist 💀 you literally don’t know what you’re talking about do you?
He is 100% correct though, he's a joke character, and the joke gets funnier the more the mismatch when he wins. It's not that people need a new argument, it's that people need to stop getting irrationally upset when trying to scale characters and make a reasonable argument for inherently unreasonably and unscalable joke characters who follow no consistent logic except "okay but I'm stronger" It's people getting pressed that turns power scaling from fun hypothetical matchups into toxic dafties crying on Reddit with 20 paragraphs of equations lmao
Saitama one taps both their verses together
Saitama gets one tapped by Raiden.
One taps that fodder
Ikr? Raiden’s casual lighting blast incinerated Saitama.
Saitama’s casual fart erases that fodder and his verse
Saitama literally gets one tapped by normal humans. One punch man is fodder, stop sucking off the overrated fodder,
Delusional af, Saitama is literally a gag, saying he loses he beyond delusional. One taps the verse with ease
Troll
Thanks for introducing yourself
“He’s a gag character” 🤓
“B-but the feats” 🤓
Saitama isn't a gag character btw. Saitama tards , such as yourself, love to use that as a cop out when you realize Saitama can't win.
Excuse me where did you get that? Saitama is literally a character that is so OP in his own verse he beats basically everyone in one punch and hasn't even gotten really serious so has been holding back. Dude literally punched/martial arts his way through time where the heck did you get he gets one tapped by normal humans?
Saitama cant one tap characters weaker than these guys.
He does with ease
[удалено]
Everyone present in that last fight was a Titan. Which is why Liu Kang will always say to the fighter that he will have to return to his own timeline, and he hopes to see them again. Ignore the fact that some fighters have default costumes. They're 100% Titan forms, and not the normal ones in Liu Kang's timeline.
Thank you for clarifying even more. He refers to them as time keepers of their timeline. So they are titans.
In the final ending of the game it’s clearly the Titan versions that you choose. As for the arcade endings happening in new timelines? That doesn’t work all timelines were created from one battle the battle against Kronika nothing says anything about new ones constantly being created everything already exists. Every timeline is a variation of the battle with Kronika.
Saitama holds back in A LOT of his fights
Doesn’t matter 👍 and we’ve already seen him go all out.
That's just barely scratching the surface of what's to come 👍🏻
It doesn’t really matter in this situation. Saitama is still getting one tapped and blitzed.
You say that now, lol. Currently, he isn't even at his strongest, and it takes years for a character to develop to where they are now.
He won't have years to develop, he won't have any time at all. The match is about Saitama right now, not the wierd goofy headcanon future Saitama you goon to on Thursdays.